
Coats are very important on the farm. Mine are always not dry enough, not warm enough, or not dirty enough for going into the chicken house. So when I’m on the farm I just wear one of the farmer’s coats.
1. Clarify personal needs that are threatened by the conflict.
And hats. Do you see the red hat in the picture? It’s from Amsoil Lubricants. When I first met the farmer I thought it was hilarious to have a hat that said lubricants. So the first time he dumped me I tried to get the lubricants hat as a relationship souvenir.
Later I realized that he would dump me a lot. It was his way of coping with the feeling that intimacy is scary. So then I focused more on learning conflict resolution and less on who gets the hat.
2. Accept conflict as a natural part of personal progress.
In fact, most of life is about conflict resolution. It’s either internal conflict or external conflict, but if you don’t have conflict then you are probably not trying to do something interesting with your life. (Not that interesting is everyone’s goal, of course.)
Michael Stainer, who writes The Great Work Blog, once told me that if you are not annoying someone you are not doing anything new. I think this is true. (Sometimes I think it could all come down to this: you either scare your mom by creating an unstable life or you scare yourself that you are living merely the life your mom wants for you instead of the life you want for yourself.)
3. Assert your needs clearly and specifically.
My goal is that I want to have baby chicks this spring. We did it a year ago. And they were so cute. And we took 500 photos and spent hours each day cuddling with the chicks under the cozy glow of the heat lamp the farmer set up in my garage.
The kids were so happy, and I was happy that the kids were happy, and the farmer was still in good-behavior-dating mode, so when I didn’t want to clean up caked-on poop and dead chick residue (yes, some of the chicks died) the farmer did it. He says it’s too much to make room for me and the kids at the same time as helping me and the kids hatch chicks.
4. Learn what works for other people, and practice in an honest setting.
Today companies are standing out by being more transparent. Bridgewater, for example, is a hedge fund that video tapes every meeting they have. This allows you to see what you are like in meetings, and get better at self-coaching, but it also allows you to see a meeting where a co-worker got a bigger bonus than you. Now you can figure out why (and then record yourself screaming at your boss about it.)
The transparency trend shows in transparent conflict at home, too. People blog about fighting with a spouse, and they even do real-time public spousal fighting on Facebook. Remember how sex got better when we all started talking about what we are doing? I think the same is true of conflict. When we see other people arguing, we get better at doing it ourselves.
John Gottman is the king of fight. Well, the king of reading them. He can look at a couple fighting and tell if they will get a divorce. Really. And now he’s a millionaire for writing books that tell you how to fight so you don’t get a divorce.
The farmer and I are working on that.
5. Focus on building consensus.
Researchers have found that conflict within a company makes the company smarter and more innovative. That’s why companies with diversity—people from different backgrounds —are more successful than homogenous companies.
But this is not true for small, fast-moving startups. Management consultant Frans Johansson found that in the case of a startup, there is no time for conflict because there are too many decisions that have to be made very quickly. So diversity is not productive in that situation.
Do you see the woodwork in the photo of the coats? The farmer doesn’t want to paint it. And I said okay, because I thought he cared about it more than I did, and I think of us in startup mode right now, and the less conflict we can have the better.
6. Laughter eases conflict and promotes cooperative negotiating.
But then I talked with my designer, who specializes in color (Maria Killian– I love her) and she said that the wood is very limiting. Unless we paint it white, the wood functions as orange in the house, and very few shades of paint will match orange.
I told Maria it’s going to be a big fight.
She said that tons of couples fight this fight. Maria explained that men have an odd affection for their woodwork. She said it’s worth it if I want strong colors on the walls.
So I explained the colors to the farmer.
And he brought up that the pink bedroom is also bugging him.
And I quoted a study that I wish I had read but I sort of only heard it third-hand which said that men feel more masculine in a bedroom that is very girly. “You’ll have better orgasms if we paint the woodwork,” I told him.
He laughed. And then agreed to paint the wood white, and the bedroom pink.
“But,” he said, “no baby chicks.”










Check point 4 again…you left a couple of "LH" (I'm assuming this means link here?) that I think were unintentional.
Posted by Andrea on April 15, 2010 at 1:14 pm | permalink |
I fixed it. Thanks, Andrea.
And so, there's a little insight into the mind of an obsessive linker. I write links as I write the post. They come up in my head. But I put in so many LH's that I don't actually find the link until the piece is edited — I don't want to spend any more time on links than I need to because it already takes me about an hour a post.
-Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on April 16, 2010 at 10:13 am | permalink |
I'm about as un-rustic as men come, but even I wouldn't paint the woodwork in the farm house.
I think back to my first apartment, in a 1900 house, with foot-tall shellacked woodwoork and spires in the corners. It was gorgeous. The walls were all in neutral colors. I brought in color via wall hangings and furniture.
Now, at my 1969 ranch house in old suburbia, somebody before me painted all the woodwork. So be it; it's colors aplenty for my woodwork.
Posted by jim on April 15, 2010 at 1:17 pm | permalink |
But you're not taking the free advice of some woman who lives in a rented house whom you've never met. Silly man.
Posted by Belinda Gomez on April 16, 2010 at 7:05 pm | permalink |
What an arrogant comment.
Posted by Marlo on April 16, 2010 at 10:56 pm | permalink |
ditto on mario’s comment.
Posted by guylaine on April 19, 2010 at 1:30 pm | permalink |
I hope you are leaving him some sort of "man-cave" room for him to decorate as he wishes. Otherwise, you'll drive him insane.
Posted by MichaelG on April 15, 2010 at 1:23 pm | permalink |
Overcoming conflict is something we have to work on our entire lives. Because we’re never quite sure when to give in and when to stand our ground.
That’s why crying is so important, it’s a visual signal of just how much the other person wants to get their way. Men should cry more.
But then it would just be a race to see who could work up tears fastest.
I guess there’s no real solution besides maybe trying to understand other people’s priorities. What would that look like?
Posted by Siddhartha on April 15, 2010 at 1:26 pm | permalink |
The woodwork is also the first thing I saw and admired about the photo.
Posted by Jeannie on April 16, 2010 at 7:42 am | permalink |
Don't paint the wood. It's the first thing I admired in the photo. I didn't even *see* any red hat.
A farm house doesn't need strong colours. Just look out the window. It needs calm light colours. Your colour advisor lives in the city, no? City rooms need strong colours because outside is grey.
I'm with the farmer. Don't paint the wood. Soft colours on the walls. No pink in the bedroom.
You do know that they paint prison walls pink to keep inmates zoned. It kind of neuters them.
Posted by Nancy on April 15, 2010 at 1:27 pm | permalink |
I must observe that one shouldn't get married in startup mode.
Posted by Kim on April 15, 2010 at 1:31 pm | permalink |
PT: don't paint the wood trim white! Within days, you will see smudgy hand prints on every white surface — the prints will be about the size of your kids' hands and about their level. Natural wood tone is so nice!!
Great post; love the photos; life & work are basically the same!
Posted by Jan Hogle on April 15, 2010 at 1:31 pm | permalink |
No no no! Don't paint the woodwork! And here is why:
1. That wood is gorgeous, and fits on a farm. White woodwork reminds me of coastal areas and suburbs.
2. What do you touch when coming in that room to hang up your coat or take off your boots? The wood on the door frame. If you paint it white it is going to have grubby farm fingerprints all over it within the week, and after a couple months certain areas of the woodwork will be permanently scuffed and gray. Varnished wood holds up much better. I grew up on a farm and if we had white woodwork my mom would have had time to do nothing but scrub the door frames and baseboards.
Farms are dirty – just living on a gravel road means every time you open the door you're letting in more dust and dirt than you do in the city. And during harvest? You're going to see the "bees-wings" from the corn sticking to everything. Don't paint the woodwork.
Posted by Rita on April 15, 2010 at 1:35 pm | permalink |
I remember looking at the chicks in Agway when I was about nine. In a rural area of NJ (this is a shocking concept to many). They were so unbelievably cute, and so very unattainable. So I understand the desire.
Good fighting is definitely underrated. Sometimes I actually want to fight. My fiance doesn't understand this impulse. But you learn a lot from it, and it can be invigorating. I'm a little afraid, as I write that, because it sounds so unacceptable.
Also: Your boots are great. I know they're not mentioned in this post, but they're great.
Posted by Kate on April 15, 2010 at 2:34 pm | permalink |
"if you are not annoying someone you are not doing anything new"
-I suspect today was one of the many days when I annoyed a specific person at my workplace. Their way of dealing with this is by stonewalling, which is rather unpleasant in a cramped workspace. The quote above made me smile after an exhausting day. Thanks.
Posted by Kseniya on April 15, 2010 at 2:38 pm | permalink |
Penelope – do not paint the woodwork!!!! Trends come and go and when this paint thing passes you will really regret your decision. Stripping paint from trim is a grueling job; the farmer will be furious if he is asked to strip it in 10 years! If your designer doesn't like the orange hue on the wood then change the stain on the wood. Give up on the painting and fight for the chicks.
Posted by Laura on April 15, 2010 at 3:13 pm | permalink |
Amen! I've stripped painted woodwork and cursed the fools who painted it in the first place. You need to listen to the farmer more. He knows what he's talking about even if he's not from Manhattan or LA.
Posted by Sansa on April 17, 2010 at 8:28 pm | permalink |
It's making me crazy – I saw that picture and the first thing I thought was how much I admired the woodwork. Don't paint the woodwork, and fire your designer. Why? Your designed is charging you a lot of money to tell you stuff she made up, and besides, It will always have a tendency to appear dirtier if it's painted a color. The wood in that house has a patina that took many years to develop; if you paint it, you will eventually come to your senses and want it to be wood again,and then, the amount of work required to put it right will be incredible. I wish you happiness in your new life, but please, don't paint the woodwork.
Posted by Livgladen on April 15, 2010 at 3:29 pm | permalink |
The "designer" is working for free, thus she's got no skin in the game, other than the referrals from this blog.
Posted by Belinda Gomez on April 16, 2010 at 7:06 pm | permalink |
Gee, you have a habit of negative comments. You must be fun to live with.
Posted by Marlo on April 16, 2010 at 10:59 pm | permalink |
boy are you a nasty one.
Posted by louise on April 19, 2010 at 1:41 pm | permalink |
Renegotiate with The Farmer: You'll ditch the pink if he'll help your boys raise baby chicks again! Way cute.
Posted by neko on April 15, 2010 at 3:31 pm | permalink |
Marriage is not about getting your way. It's about getting there together.
Congratulations, and good luck.
(also – don't paint the woodwork!)
Posted by Tzipporah on April 15, 2010 at 3:38 pm | permalink |
I think conflict is very productive when exercised in small doses and stays focused on the original objective. The key to successful conflict in my opinion is it should never become personal and somehow lead to maligning the character of an individual. Argue, conflict, or whatever but always respect. I would recommend taking small steps to start the process of renovating the interior of his domain. Build trust and credibility over time with the interior design. It's still the farmer's house because he has lived there for much longer than you. As time goes on that argument becomes more mute.
Posted by Mark W. on April 15, 2010 at 3:52 pm | permalink |
Great article Penelope.
You are right you don't want to "win the battle only to lose the war".
I loathe confrontation so #2 doesn't sit quite right with me. I used to have a lot of conflict in my life. I love now the freedom of having considerably less. Though I don't feel that this change means I am not personally progressing at the same rate.
Thank you for the valuable lesson on 5. And 6, well that's just magic isn't it. Injecting humour in the heat of the moment is like a bucket of water on flames. Works miracles.
Re colour, best make sure you get the hue of pink right ;-) http://www.colormatters.com/body_pink.html
This is a pretty cool tool. An interactive experience of colour communication and colour symbolism http://www.mariaclaudiacortes.com/#
Have a wonderful time on Saturday!!
Posted by Olivia on April 15, 2010 at 4:25 pm | permalink |
Great article Penelope.
You are right. Pick your arguments carefully. You don't want to "win the battle only to lose the war".
I loathe confrontation. So #2 doesn't sit quite right with me. I used to have a lot of conflict in my life. I now love the freedom of having considerably less. Although I don't feel that this change has slowed my personal progression at the same rate.
Thank you for the valuable less on 5. And 6, well that's just magic isn't it. Injecting humour in the heat of the moment, is like a bucket of water on flames. Works miracles.
Re colour, beware of the hue of pink… http://www.colormatters.com/body_pink.html
And here's a really cool tool. An interactive experience of colour communication and colour symbolism http://www.mariaclaudiacortes.com/
Have a wonderful time on Saturday x
Posted by Olivia on April 15, 2010 at 5:08 pm | permalink |
That's a really interesting link about pink. Thanks.
It reminds me of when I was in high school, and the national debate topic was about criminal courts. I did a lot of research about the impact of paining the courts different colors. Some people think juries are more likely to come to to a consensus if the court rooms are yellow.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on April 16, 2010 at 10:15 am | permalink |
Apologies for posting a response twice Penelope, I thought the first one didn't go through?! When you can, check your email titled "No need to respond" there are some colour examples I think work well blending both chic East tastes and the homely West. White/ off white/ egg shell- with natural wooden and colour accents might just be the elegant compromise the farmer and no doubt your readers are hankering for. Earthy and modern rolled into one.
What ever you decide looking forward to seeing you top and tail covered with paint in any colour ;-)
I love weddings. So excited over here for you xx
Posted by Olivia on April 16, 2010 at 11:17 am | permalink |
Have you checked out Imago? http://gettingtheloveyouwant.com Read the book, cruise the website, see what you think. The Huz and I attended a weekend workshop that was wonderful — he was skeptical and left feeling grateful that we went, if that tells you anything — and now occasionally see that counselor for sessions. It has been wonderful in giving us communication skills that create a real feeling of safety in our relationship.
Good luck!
Posted by Sacha on April 15, 2010 at 5:10 pm | permalink |
Great article (I like all your blogs)! However don't paint the wordwork. Interior Decorators always want to paint the woodwork so in 5 years they can get you to paint it again and then in ANOTHER 5 year strip all the paint off. Natural wood is always beautiful and matches every color.
Posted by Ann on April 15, 2010 at 6:41 pm | permalink |
My wife and I work retreats for couples getting ready to get married. Our saying, "The important one is the other one." I wish I had come up with that one. Three months after my wife and I celebrated our 25th wedding anniversary, I wrote this post at http://www.careerjockey.org/job-hunt-marriage-pain-does-it-have-to-be-that-way/. Hope it can help you, the farmer and everyone else that gives it a read. It supports exactly what you're saying here.
Posted by Jorge Lazaro Diaz on April 15, 2010 at 7:00 pm | permalink |
No don't paint the wood! Painting wood is the easy way out and short term thinking as your living in farmhouse not a Manhattan Penthouse! The wood is part of who the house is, and we all know that a silk purse can not be made from a sow's ear! Accept it for what it is rather then trying to make it something its not…
Posted by Joe on April 15, 2010 at 7:28 pm | permalink |
John Gottman, not quite a predictor, just an analyzer of data.
(IOW, he took the first step of analyzing expressions and arguments,
and seeing what interactions precede divorces, BUT, never took the scientifically crucial second step: analyze interactions, and actually predict what will happen in the future.
A small, critical distinction b/w what he says he did and what he did.
see
http://www.slate.com/id/2246732/pagenum/all/
Posted by liza on April 15, 2010 at 7:35 pm | permalink |
You're wrong about the woodwork. Stain it and leave the natural grain showing; that will look better than any color you could ever paint it.
Additionally, a girly bedroom does not promote better orgasms- exercising the PC muscles does.
Posted by paul on April 15, 2010 at 7:57 pm | permalink |
I love the living-life-according-to-mom comment. That is so true. Right down to our hairstyles.
As for painting the trim white: go for it. It makes everything so much cleaner and crisper, and the wall colors really will be so much brighter, too. Too much dark wood is depressing. And if you have a paint can and some brushes stored away, it's so easy to touch up when grubby paws leave their marks, which so often can be wiped off anyhow, especially with high gloss paint.
I live in a hotel. There's constant paint touch-up. It's not that big a deal, if you expect it.
Posted by Margaret G. on April 15, 2010 at 8:00 pm | permalink |
Please explain to me how this post is about conflict resolution when all I read is different scenarios where you got your way? A more appropriate title would have been how to push your own agenda through and masquerade it as conflict resolution or compromise.
Posted by john on April 15, 2010 at 9:05 pm | permalink |
As a former Iowa farm girl, I have to comment on the clock above the coats because it reminds me of my childhood. My mom and dad still have the clock, and I'm pretty sure it was a gift from Pioneer! Thanks for the nostalgic moment!
Posted by Jamie on April 15, 2010 at 9:06 pm | permalink |
Yeah! That clock is still in my parents' house too! It feels like winter on the prairie to me.
Posted by Rita on April 15, 2010 at 9:42 pm | permalink |
Hi Penelope,
"….startup mode right now, and the less conflict we can have the better. "
Gotta agree on that
You are right, start ups need to avoid conflicts as much as possible so it would grow. Once it do and need to level up and some spice, that's probably when it becomes ready for some conflict to make it stronger. Did the farmer mean no babies at least for now, or do I have to take it literally?
Jonha
Posted by Jonha @ Happiness on April 15, 2010 at 9:23 pm | permalink |
Painting over beautiful woodwork? That is so damned eastern! Ugh!
Posted by Jim C. on April 15, 2010 at 10:24 pm | permalink |
The first thing I noticed in the coats photo (besides the charm of being able to hang coats on hooks instead of in a closet) was the woodwork. Classic and gorgeous. If we were friends I would be imploring you not to paint it! I don't usually try to talk people out of their plans but…. this time I would.
Nooooo!
Posted by Pen on April 15, 2010 at 11:30 pm | permalink |
To avoid conflicts normally, I would remain cool and calm even though the other party blew his top. I always believe that hot temper people are not constructive and when we blew our top we cannot think logically.
Posted by Charmaine on April 16, 2010 at 12:03 am | permalink |
For the love of little green apples, stop with the listing and enjoy the fact that you are Getting Married! Not everything has to have an inherent lesson. Enjoy these moments; they are not a Learning Experience.
Posted by Cathitude on April 16, 2010 at 12:44 am | permalink |
"Sometimes I think it could all come down to this: you either scare your mom by creating an unstable life or you scare yourself that you are living merely the life your mom wants for you instead of the life you want for yourself."
Okay, now it feels like you're just trying to freak me out. Man, I get a lot from this blog.
Posted by Playstead on April 16, 2010 at 1:51 am | permalink |
Do. Not. Paint. The. Woodwork!
Stained woodwork is original to your house. It's what makes it special and unique. Anyone can have cheesy, painted trim (how cliche) but original southern yellow pine is to be coveted.
Check out southern yellow pine. It's a threatened species.
http://mushroomfactor.com/living-green-with-southern-yellow-pine
If you paint your woodwork, you can never go back. Sure, you can strip it, but you'll always have paint deep into the grain that just doesn't come out.
Be brazen. Don't be faddish, be original. Don't paint the woodwork.
PS. God's blessings on your wedding. May you have a wonderful life together always.
Posted by love old houses on April 16, 2010 at 7:09 am | permalink |
Thanks for the link. I'm surprised by all the home decorating gems you guys are coming up with.
Also, it seems that your advice: "be brazen, don't be faddish, be original" might actually apply to painting the woodwork white. That is, people think I should leave wood how it is because wood is nice. And I think I should ignore that conventional advice and pay more attention to what color I want the walls (very bright) than if the wood is nice or not.
-Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on April 16, 2010 at 10:17 am | permalink |
I live in a farmhouse and so do my parents. The woodwork was painted in my house, but is natural in my mom's house. Her house is way more gorgeous. The previous owner spent MONTHS stripping the wood and said it was the most grueling job in the world. I so envy her those natural wood frames.
I have white woodwork and like Jan/Rita and everyone else said, it is CONSTANTLY grubby from little boy finger prints and unthinking man prints. I am wiping all the door frames down at least once a week. If you aren't used to cleaning door/window frames CONTINUOUSLY, get used to it. You will with white. Ugh.
Sometimes natural fits the house better and is just more practical (i.e. think mud/poop on little boy shoes/clothes/hands/face/hair, etc. LOL).
Just my .02 :)
Erin
P.S. Congrats on the wedding! Love the boots.
Posted by Erin on April 16, 2010 at 7:18 am | permalink |
The wood is not "limiting". The designer's willingness to work with it appears to be limited. Sorry, Maria, but you are not thinking about the function of this house, you are all hung up on appearance. You are the sort of person who would be tip-toeing across a barnyard in your Italian heels, dodging cow plops and whining, because the wellies you were offered clashed with your outfit so you didn't wear them.
The marvelous part about old farmhouse wood is that it is so resilent and forgiving of the chicken poop, the udder crud and just plain grime that comes on on the Farmer and you and the kids. It conceals a lot, and the finish can be refreshed with a swipe of tung oil.
How much time do you want your client to spend scrubbing the grunge off the woodwork to keep it "crisp"? A working farm with kids needs forgiving color in the areas where most of the grunge happens. That's why the farmer's wife hat the parlor, all crisp white woodwork and pale florals, where visitors were received.
Posted by Anonymous Coward on April 16, 2010 at 7:22 am | permalink |
what bitterness!
no one should talk that way of people they don’t know.
and i know you don’t know her because i do.
Posted by maria’s friend on April 20, 2010 at 1:32 am | permalink |
The photo of that entry is so charming, maybe we should leave the wood in there unpainted. Earth tones and more muted colours look great with wood trim (I'm writing a post about that coming soon) but Penelope wants fresh and bright colours. (in the winter it get's dark and gloomy at the farm she said)
The decision to paint wood trim is based on your own individual decorating style. There is a LOT of heavy orangy wood trim in this house which would not look the best with clean and fresh colours in raspberry, yellow, blue and pink.
When a woman arrives in a mans life and decorates a house with beautiful colours, soft lighting and comfortable furniture, the man tends to forget about little things like painted wood because suddenly he gets happy just walking into the house because a look and feel has been created which equals atmosphere.
If there is conflict it means we're communicating. And the only thing that moves life forward is communication. When no one is talking, nothing is happening.
I love your blog Penelope and the way you communicate without a filter. It's the way I am and people always have a strong reaction to me as well. The people that are my friends love that they always know where they stand with me because I am not afraid to have an uncomfortable conversation.
So my vote is to paint the woodwork because my commitment is that we create a space that fills you with happiness when you walk in!
x
Maria
Posted by Maria Killam on April 16, 2010 at 7:27 am | permalink |
Your own comment from 3/24:
"@everyone. About the pink. No pink. Okay. No pink. Thank you for a collective voice of sanity on that one."
But, the pink bedroom is back, despite his protests. You win again. Does he ever get to win one?
Posted by JR on April 16, 2010 at 7:46 am | permalink |
Why don't you stain the woodwork dark and then paint the walls a lovely neutral gray-beige? I don't like that shade of the wood either, it is too orange, but I adore dark wood – it can be used very effectively as an accent and is not a limiting color. Also, be very careful with pink, if you're like me you will get sick of a vivid color like that in about two years anyway and then want to re-do it, but it takes longer for me to get tired of neutrals.
I recommend spending some time with the Benjamin Moore paint colors that the Pottery Barn people use – look for beautiful neutrals and historic colors. You will probably want to get samples and paint squares on the walls because the same color can look completely different in different rooms, depending on the light. Also keep in mind that Benjamin Moore has a lot of beautiful colors that you might like better in "half strength" or "quarter strength" if the room in question is small or doesn't get a lot of light.
Posted by Diane on April 16, 2010 at 7:49 am | permalink |
Oh, PLEASE don't paint that lovely woodwork! I promise you will regret it, and you can never put it back …
I live in a house with painted woodwork, I can tell you that you will have perpetual smudges at kid-level and adult-level. You live on a farm, and people's hands get grubby. Gray or muddy fingerprints on white woodwork is yucky. On natural wood, you don't see it so much.
Also, stuff goes in and out of your doorways all the time. There are kid-height nicks and gouges in my woodwork at EVERY doorway … and when the white paint gets nicked or gouged, you then have a white doorway with gray and muddy handprints plus naked wood showing through.
If you go with the white, you are going to spend a lot of time cleaning and touching up the paint. Stick with the lovely wood tone, and it won't show so much.
As for the bedroom, I am surprised that someone with Asperger's Syndrome would even consider pink. While the initial reaction to pink is calming, studies have shown that as a person becomes accustomed to the colour, it creates greater agitation. I would think that such findings would cause you to avoid pink, except as an accent. (Besides, if your man hates the colour, how are you ever gonna get him IN that room?)
In the spirit of compromise, perhaps the Farmer would be happier with a very pale shade of pink, something like Farrell-Calhoun's "Cotton Candy," "Vienna Dawn," or "Baby Blossom." I painted my bedroom in a shade similar to "Cotton Candy" — the pink is so subtle that most people are shocked when they see it in the right light and realize that it's pink. They think of it as white. With white and blue as the decorative colours, I designed a light, comfortable, calming room that is perfect for relaxing and sharing intimate moments.
Now, step away from the computer and go enjoy getting married!
Posted by Editormum on April 16, 2010 at 7:56 am | permalink |
Paint the woodwork. I can't believe all the negative comments againist it.
Posted by Kara on April 16, 2010 at 8:33 am | permalink |
thumbs up!
Posted by guylaine on April 19, 2010 at 7:45 pm | permalink |
You "love" the farm but the first thing you want to do is change it. Will you still "love" it if you change it? Is the barn next? Is he next. I think painting perfectly good wood is a sin. What a patient man to sit back and let you take over his world and change it. Didn't you want to be a part of his world, won't changing it to yours defeat that. Does he want this or are you pushing and pushing and calling it compromise and conflict resolution? There is a lot of dirt and muck on a farm and a farmhouse needs to be decorated in a way to deal with that not in "clean and fresh colours in raspberry, yellow, blue and pink," nor with the foo foo furniture I saw on the other blog. This isn't compromise it is take-over. Best of luck on your relationship at this rate you will need it.
Posted by Susan on April 16, 2010 at 10:12 am | permalink |
Like Susan, I'm confused about why you want to change the farmhouse so much. You talk so often about how much y ou like it! I know that if you're going to live there it needs to feel like your space too – you don't want to feel like you're always a guest in someone else's house.
But won't that feeling come from having your stuff there? And maybe some better decorations or some updated (but still practical!) furniture? I don't think it's necessary to or advisable to completely change everything when you move in. Take it little by little – building consensus, as you say.
I also think the comments here are a good way to learn what works for other people – lots of farm girls here telling you that farmhouses have varnished wood for a reason. Believe us. Assert your needs – push for the chicks. But scale down the decorating plans.
Posted by Rita on April 16, 2010 at 10:21 am | permalink |
I wouldn't paint woodwork in an old house. You lose the vintage quality and it is a total pain to get paint off of wood and brick. I know; I tried it in my house. It takes hours of labor and then it still doesn't look that good.
Part of the charm of living on an old family farm is that it isn't brand new but has some character.
Posted by Leslie on April 16, 2010 at 11:37 am | permalink |
Oh, please, please don't paint the woodwork! I recently visited my childhood home that had the most beautiful dark smooth finished woodwork and wood floors, and it's all painted or carpeted now. Blech. It hurts me to think about.
Posted by Molly on April 16, 2010 at 2:08 pm | permalink |
You know what I love about your posts? The fact that I gett to know you personally as well as professionally. Interwoven into the 6 tips for better conflict resolution are your own conflicts and learnings!!!
On another note, Happy Wedding Day! I love the wedding boots.
Posted by Sheila on April 16, 2010 at 3:07 pm | permalink |
I agree with the farmer- no pink in the bedroom (unless as accents) and no painted woodwork. Maybe a darker, richer stain on the woodwork could cover the problematic/clashing orange undertones, without losing the natural beauty of the woodwork?
Also, a gradual takeover works better than an immediate, drastic overhaul- give him some time to adjust before you change anything else. In other words, wear him down a bit first, haha, and he won't even notice anything is different.
Get rid of that clock before anything else- my parents have that one, too.
Congrats and best wishes!!!
Posted by angie on April 16, 2010 at 3:44 pm | permalink |
I agree with you, all of this remembers me when I lost my job due to conflicts with my previous team. Unfortunately the environment was not so very good for having a good communication so I had to quit.
Posted by Bob on April 16, 2010 at 4:40 pm | permalink |
Sheesh, what a lot of jazz about a paint choice! Using plain wood in this farmhouse in the first place was to save money, not as a style choice. But people seem to attach much emotion to the IDEA of plain wood and the authenticity it represents. Some plain wood is ugly…I will guess this wood has changed color over the years too.
To my eye, dark woodwork chops up spaces something fierce, lowers ceilings, and usually makes rooms feel smaller. But sometimes this effect creates coziness and a quaint feel.
Long story short: why not paint some woodwork, and leave some plain throughout the house, depending on the room's desired feel? There's no hard-and-fast rule about woodwork all being the same throughout a house…that's just a modern convention. Dark wood might make sense in an Entry, for example, but let his homeowner use her bright colors with white woodwork in other rooms. (MAybe if the woodwork in some rooms stays unpainted, a darker stain on it would allow clean, bright colors in there too…)
Posted by Wendy Ellis on April 16, 2010 at 6:11 pm | permalink |
OK another comment about the wood.
I'm a professional interior designer and have worked for some of the best design firms in New York and London. I also paint large canvases and create abstract wood sculptures. Any color specialist who says that wood comes across as orange doesn't even understand her specialty. Some woods are cool, some are warm. If you know how to work with wood, you will get a more beautiful interior. The Japanese have known this for thousands of years; hence Japanese design's timeless appeal.
The right wood can go with any color.
I had a quick peek at Maria's website and not to sound like a snob, but honestly, her taste will be dated in a few years time.
Did you know that natural materials create negative ions in the air which help to boost your well being? Don't paint over wood if you don't have to!
Posted by Jessie on April 16, 2010 at 6:51 pm | permalink |
Wow–great advice! There's a reason Maria's living in a rental.
Posted by Eva on April 16, 2010 at 7:10 pm | permalink |
And you live in a mansion? Wow…who gave it to you?
Posted by Marlo on April 16, 2010 at 11:55 pm | permalink |
That's the key – "the right wood". Penelope's trim isn't the right wood.
Posted by Marlo on April 16, 2010 at 11:29 pm | permalink |
i am stunned at the nastinest of some of the comments.
i have news for you lady, everybody’s style of today will be dated in a few years. i thought a fancy designer like yourself would know that.
Posted by GR on April 19, 2010 at 8:03 pm | permalink |
Penelope – I have to comment on the wood.
I say follow your heart and paint the trim and walls with all the colours that make YOU happy. Not all of us like wood trim – I don’t like it at all and I wouldn’t have it in my house. I agree with the designer, using fresh & cool colours with the warm wood trim wouldn’t look right with the look you want to create. Yes, you might be able to come close to what you want if you don’t paint the wood but it won’t have the same look and feel as what is in your heart. Yes, the wood is warm and yes it reads orange –a muddy orange. If you wanted to paint the walls a clear, cool blue it would look off with the warm, muddy orange trim.
Not painting the wood because it’s good for hiding dirt isn’t a good enough reason to make me want to keep it. It’s like saying that all the windows should be frosted so that we can’t see the farm dust; it’d block the sunshine and we can’t enjoy the beautiful view but hey, it’ll hide the dirt. At least with white trim I can see the dirt and wipe it down. I don’t want to hide germs and dirt; not these days.
Some of us tend to always play it safe – out of fear. We choose safe sofa colours, safe drapery colours, safe wallpaper colours, safe car colours, etc. Are we going to live the rest of our lives playing it safe? Are we going to not paint the wood trim because it’s another safe choice? If we don’t like wood trim, we paint it; plain and simple. If the patina from the wood trim is an issue, we can add furniture with beautiful patina. We don’t have to have patina on every surface.
We all have different tastes – in cars, artists, house features and designers. I don’t like the homes decorated by some well known international designers but some people do and that’s fine. What gives me the right to judge these designers just because it’s not my taste? Same goes for artists. How many times have we looked at art and said “I don’t get it”? But someone does get it and has it hanging in their home and they love it.
Decorate your home the way you love that’s what will make your heart smile every time you’re in it.
Posted by Marlo on April 16, 2010 at 10:15 pm | permalink |
Marlo, What if The Farmer wants to follow his heart, what about what makes him happy? If you read here much you would know that by Penelope's own admission she's been pushing remodeling since before October 2008, "he always feels like I’m pushing" (him), and "he was so distracted dealing with me". See a pattern here. If I am reading things right, they are not even really getting married because of her tax problems. She admits he does not want to paint the woodwork or have a pink bedroom, so why would you tell her to go with her heart and what makes her happy in his house.
Posted by Susan on April 17, 2010 at 4:39 pm | permalink |
Susan,
What I was trying to say to Penelope, and perhaps I failed, is to do what she and the farmer agreed to and not to listen to some of the harsh comments. The way I understood Penelope’s post is that after a long debate they finally came to an agreement that the wood would be white and the bedroom pink – and no baby chicks. The farmer agreed to it and she can now follow her heart while we offer our support. If some of us disagree, that’s fine; we can say it nicely without any bashing.
Legally it’s the farmer’s house. But it’s not just a house, it’s a home. He invited Penelope to live with him and so now it is her home too; their home. Treating her like a guest because the house is not hers will not help them bond as a couple. A piece of paper doesn’t hold the relationship together, they do. They made a commitment to be a couple and all couples know how much compromising there is. He compromised on the painting; she compromised on the baby chicks. Tomorrow they’ll compromise on something else.
Posted by Marlo on April 18, 2010 at 12:23 pm | permalink |
I follow dale carnegie's advice on conflict resolution:
never criticise, condemn or complain.
Posted by Di on April 17, 2010 at 6:58 am | permalink |
Happy Wedding Day!
Two more links, in case you have not seen them yourself. My sis sent me the first one yesterday, completely out of the blue. The second one, speaking of blue, was linked to by the first one. Note in the latter how they even painted the brick in one photo! Jeepers. THAT would cause a crap storm on here.
http://blog.vignetteinteriordesign.com/tag/interior-design/
http://www.houseofturquoise.com/
Posted by Margaret G. on April 17, 2010 at 7:36 am | permalink |
I find when I get into conflicts that if I can slow down things go better. I was taught a long time ago that when I get mad, I get stupid. (maybe life taught me that!) If I can slow down and not jump at saying the first thing in my head, I clean up a lot fewer messes. Also, I also discovered years back that most of what I get angry at is something that is from my skeleton filled past. There are precious few conflicts that I get into that I haven't been in before. If I can make sure I'm dealing with the person and issue in front of me rather than my family of origin issues, things go better as well. Sometimes I just get pissy and want to take it out on someone which is the worst. Fact is, no one ever wins a power struggle. As long as the conflicts are win vs lose, it's lose every time.
Posted by Rod Lyles on April 17, 2010 at 1:43 pm | permalink |
Penelope, my best wishes for your marriage. I think that the only important piece of information about the woodwork in this thread is how hard it is to keep it clean (perhaps the work is not worth it?).
Color preferences are something very personal (and by the way, Maria, I think you handled the criticism about your work very gracefully here. I'm about to move and if I have a chance I'll hire you as my color consultant as well!).
Just one thing I think you should be pay a bit of attention to, Penelope, is your method for "reaching compromise" with the farmer. What you did with the colors, "“You’ll have better orgasms if we paint the woodwork,” I told him.", is dangerously similar to how my husband used to "manipulate" me into doing something he wanted. I would laugh and cave in but it worked only in the short term, later I'd feel really annoyed with both of us for letting him do what he wanted without consideration to my preferences.
Posted by Chris M. on April 17, 2010 at 2:43 pm | permalink |
This comment is very interesting: "did you know that natural materials create negative ions in the air which help to boost your well being? Don't paint over wood if you don't have to!"
The wood is not currently in any sort of "natural" state. It has been stained. As it is now, it has been chemically treated and changed from its natural state. The chemical concoction required to stain the wood and that is allowing the current "wonderful patina" to develop is wicked and harsh. Just reading the ingredients on the can of stain from back-in-the-day when the farmhouse trim was treated could make your eyelids melt.
What you are arguing is one form form of chemical alteration over another – stain vs. white paint.
Stain and paint, for all intents and purposes, does the exact same thing — they both chemically change the existing aesthetic of a surface.
As homeowners we each get to choose how we want to use modern technology to alter the state of the materials used to construct our homes.
Stained wood has pros and it has cons and it brings a senses of ambiance that painted trim simply can not. Painted trim has pros and cons too as it also establishes a design sense that is very different from a stained wood. Neither one is perfect for ANY one situation. Neither one will last forever and they BOTH require maintenance.
You simply have to decide what is best for your lifestyle and how you use your space. Do not listen to anybody else. Intelligently look at the pros and cons of all your options, decide what personal aesthetic you want to live with, and then go do it. Screw what anyone else thinks about your farmer, his wood, or the designer.
Posted by funcolors on April 17, 2010 at 3:55 pm | permalink |
funcolors, This is about conflict. She wants painted wood and a pink bedroom and he doesn't. She is not the homeowner. They are not really married. The house is the farmer's and he has a farming lifestlye. She does need to listen to someone else, the farmer, it is his house and she is trying to change it from a functioning farmhouse on a farm to "french country" foo foo. The post should be called how to drive someone crazy until you get what you want but have no right to.
Posted by Susan on April 17, 2010 at 4:47 pm | permalink |
Including the farmer's opinions in "personal aesthetic" was implied. I apologize. I should have made that more clear.
They are a couple and I believe will be married. I was under the impression that they will both live in the farmhouse together with children. The structure has the opportunity for a fresh start as a family farmhouse it is no longer "his house".
The perception of "functioning" and "foo foo" is subjective.
Posted by funcolors on April 17, 2010 at 5:00 pm | permalink |
If you have been reading along for awhile, the farmer gave his opinion and even if she does take care of her tax problems and they do get married for real, she will not own any part of the farm, including the house.
Posted by Susan on April 17, 2010 at 10:03 pm | permalink |
Well said – on both posts.
Posted by Marlo on April 17, 2010 at 10:19 pm | permalink |
Penelope,
You seem to rate Michael Bungay Stanier very highly. But not highly enough to spell his name right.
On a more serious note, I hope today went well. I wish you every happiness, and that every conflict is resolved. Before the sun goes down.
All the best,
Will
Posted by TwistedByKnaves on April 17, 2010 at 5:56 pm | permalink |
Well I will have to tell my husband he will have better orgasm's when he does laundry. Think he'll buy it?? LOL!
Posted by AB HOME Interiors on April 17, 2010 at 10:33 pm | permalink |
Oh dear: another form of sex slavery…
Posted by Will on April 18, 2010 at 12:37 am | permalink |
Ah, the the miraculous effect of laughter. No baby chicks, huh.lol Yet another worthwhile read from you, Penelope.
Posted by David on April 18, 2010 at 2:39 am | permalink |
Re Jessie's comment at 4/16/2010 at 06:51pm: "Any color specialist who says that wood comes across as orange doesn't even understand her specialty."
Jessie, it's fairly obvious that color specialist Maria Killam's analysis of the "orange" tone to the wood was specific to the wood in this particular farmhouse. It was not a universal generalization of all wood tones. Not to sound like a snob, or anything …
Posted by DC Deb on April 18, 2010 at 7:09 am | permalink |
Have to weigh in here…I remarried 3 years ago and while dating my BF before our engagement we were both building/remodeling our own homes. BTW I am an interior decorator. I decorated my house for me, and his house more fitting for a man's sensiblity. Fast forward 3 yrs. Now living in his house I have changed rooms to fit both of us. And he has loved everything I have created for us! He is generous of spirit with zero negativity…
Maria is exactly right that the farmer will walk into his home and feel the love and the welcoming home spirit and be happy. That is exactly what has happened in my experience! Maria is also correct in that wood is a color, and certain colors don't go together. Simply put, if farmer's fiance wants happy colors then orange toned wood is a problem. The negative commentary from other designers name calling ( u don't want to be a snob??) should be ashamed of themselves. Give your own opinion without the bashing. Amy
Posted by @decoralora on April 18, 2010 at 9:32 am | permalink |
Sent here by another Canadian blogger and looks like I might be here for days and days….no wonder you have 40,0000 subscribers. It is quite difficult to motivate me on a Sunday but you have me thinking hard and reading like crazy. I am really going to like it here, I can tell. All the best and keep up the great work.
Posted by A Gift Wrapped Life on April 18, 2010 at 1:30 pm | permalink |
By now, you're married!!! Congratulations. Wishing you all the best.
Posted by Missa on April 19, 2010 at 8:04 am | permalink |
I wouldn't want to paint the wood either. I very reluctantly had the wood in a home I was renting painted, and now I own the home, and I still hate that the woodwork was painted over in a blah-not-white color. Wood is warm, natural, charming and classic, and goes with almost anything in my opinion; painted wood has to be repainted, and will only match certain things. If I were the farmer, I'd want "better orgasms" quantified. (I'm female.)
Posted by Paula on April 19, 2010 at 12:02 pm | permalink |
DC Deb is right on with her comment above.
Penelope's woodwork looks just like mine. If it is, it's southern yellow pine and is finished in shellac, a natural resin commonly used at the turn of the century. As we've redone some of our rooms – tearing out plaster and lathing so we could insulate our American Foursquare – we've also redone some of the woodwork. We tried to replicate the finish, even using shellac on some. But there's just something about that 100-yr-old patina that can't be replicated. It's a piece of our Midwestern heritage.
But anyways, Maria is right. If Penelope's woodwork is like mine, it's an orange color. In fact, last week before PT's hullabaloo even started I emailed Maria for paint suggestions to go with my woodwork. She answered me within hours and was super friendly – if I can ever afford a color consultant, I'm calling her!
In the meantime, she's going to post an article in the future about colors for natural woodwork. I'm hooked.
Posted by dl on April 19, 2010 at 2:21 pm | permalink |
wow. i don’t read your blog all the time, but this post sure instigated nasty comments from a few ~ sad souls.
there are certainly many people with strong opinions about what you should and should not do with your wood. and all this from a picture ~ hard to believe. unfortunately what people do not get, is that there is much much more to take into consideration before making a choice like this one.
the wood itself, its quality, its condition, its colour, all of which nobody can really know from just looking at one picture. i am a designer myself, and i love the look of certain antique woods, but i also loathe others. it is all relative.
then there is the colour and decor you want to create. at the end of the day it is 'you' who will come into your house, and what is important is how 'you' want to feel when you enter your home. that feeling you want to create might require a beautiful synergy of colours, and might also require the wood be painted. white is a very classy way to go, by the way.
so go with your heart. everybody has an opinion and everybody think of themselves as the expert on the subject. no matter who they are, take what 'you' want (be it pink walls, or whatever colours makes 'you' happy) and follow the advice of someone who actually makes of living in home decoration/design, and whose style 'you' appreciate, and have that one person make it all work beautifully together… for you.
this is very personal. the conversations and consultations you have with your designer is not up for debate; all this information these opinionated souls are not privy to. only your designer is. that, is one opinion you might want to listen to.
good luck, and please post the before and after photos… when you’re done. :)
Posted by guylaine on April 19, 2010 at 2:21 pm | permalink |
Oh honey, I just spent over $3000 and two weeks smelling fumes to take paint off an area of dark wood in my house. Even with all that, it will never be as lovely as it would have been had prior owners never painted it.
There are plenty of beautiful colors that look great with dark wood trim. Check out books and websites about craftsman style. Gorgeous colors that feel natural and harmonize with nature in the Craftsman spirit, and think about it, will a brightly painted home really harmonize with a farm?
Posted by mamabear on April 19, 2010 at 5:29 pm | permalink |
a good designer knows how to listen to their clients and what will make them happy to come home to. their job is never to force their own personal taste into the equation, but rather to use their knowledge to create a beautiful space with the things that makes their clients’ heart sing.
i don’t disagree with anything you say. i just know that we don’t have all the information to tell someone what they should do with their home.
Posted by guylaine on April 19, 2010 at 6:16 pm | permalink |
I love white woodwork. LOVE. But I still think some homes look better with stained wood. I lived in a 100 year old farmhouse and painted every piece of trim white- it was old, yucky, mismatched trim with no character and once white, it was fresh, bright and lovely. And yes, we had colorful walls- the color of old milkpaints. I loved it, though it was a pain to keep clean. My new house has ugly builder grade orangey/oak and I would love to paint it white as well. Looking back, I sometimes wish I would have learned to work with the wood trim in the older house, but I still think a newer house in the subburbs looks better with white. Every house is different, what works for some does not work for others and it's up to you to decide! :) Best of luck!
Posted by Erin on April 20, 2010 at 12:01 pm | permalink |
I keyed into the part about transparent conflict.
First off, I look at us in humanity like we are severely retarded in terms of understanding or being taught about ourselves.
Yes, conflict is healthy but it should be a forward progression so you don't become like the two old guys in the balcony of the Muppet Show arguing the same old way all the time, right?
I have views that compel me to say that the Emperor wears no clothes. I perform just like the child in the fairy tale concerning how we are lead by psychopathic elite leaders that despise the rest of us for our very existence.
While I'm concerned about big and little brother owning and using what we have formerly considered private against us: I wholeheartedly believe in living outloud. It has done alot of damage to people to not talk about and address their behavior and thoughts. Although, there is defintely a time and place.
I must say, I am impressed by life coaches like Tony Robbins. He can work with someone outloud in front of a whole auditorium and make breakthroughs with a person or couple. While those breakthroughs may be temporary, they seem to lead to long term change over a year.
Perhaps, working with people in large groups should be more normal and practiced. It is certainly how we are programmed by the elites. The Olympics is an example. It is an advertisement for the New World Order – the 5 rings symbol was first used in Hitler's Berlin olympics.
It interests me how people can just ignore me in person. Its one thing to have a difference of opinion; but, many are afraid to utter a word.
So, just to bring a view like this to someone's attention is forward progress in this geopolitical battle, I suppose.
I see how miscommunication and misunderstanding dominates all interaction and that between my wife and I most definitely.
I see that I have tremendous blind spots as well as my wife. From my point of view, I persist in getting an answer as to why she did something because it doesn't make sense to me. I'm looking to understand. I might finally get an answer and feel better because I see the reasoning; however, she is hurt when she must give up information. Its hard for me not to expert her to be reasonable.
Anyone could notice, identify and we could implement changes in how we argue or converse and it would improve things. I do it with my folks all the time when they have baby arguments. Sometimes, it seems like we're all babies that didn't grow up, to me.
Paradoxically, from my point of view, I perform well in a conflict resolution role with partners at work. I can translate between the two parties when I observe when one is offended or misunderstood otherwise.
Yet, in my personal life, I am quick to anger and impatient and easily offended.
Penelope, I appreciate your blog. It looks like you are able to write from and about your world without fear that you must shape yourself and lifestory to fit some consensus understanding. Just being yourself is following the rule, right?
It offers up what is promised – a means to take life and work lessons and have them serve the other.
Posted by Chad Warren on April 21, 2010 at 7:34 am | permalink |
Don't paint the wood.
Posted by Kayla on April 21, 2010 at 10:34 am | permalink |
I agree with the Farmer and all comments on preserving the woodwork. It's the charm of an older home, and it's beautiful. YES it's hard to do colors – I live in such a home. (White, cream, and by the way a pale sage is not bad next to wood. These are peaceful colors.) Beautiful wood is rare and even if limiting, embrace your good fortune to have a home that is distinct, historic. Some upgrades you can un-do, but painting the wood changes it forever. Don't do it.
Posted by Jan Tymorek on April 21, 2010 at 11:27 am | permalink |
Don't paint the woodwork. It looks great the way it is. Put up some curtains or something if you want to be creative.
Posted by Karen on April 22, 2010 at 11:16 am | permalink |
paint don't paint. whatever! I just wanted to say glad i found your blog (via an old post about LDRs).
Look forward to reading more :)
Posted by melanirae on April 22, 2010 at 1:16 pm | permalink |
Fashion
Posted by Fashion Review Today on April 24, 2010 at 3:37 am | permalink |
I like to ask myself what would each of my role models say to me and write that out. Maybe even ask them if its convenient. Then I can collate answers from a perspective outside of myself.
Posted by Richard | RichardShelmerdine.com on April 26, 2010 at 12:13 am | permalink |
Here's a suggestion… why dont we include conflict resolution as a compulsory subject in our schools. I know some people might think it sounds extreme, but if you think about it, it makes sense.
In my experience it takes only a small comment or offensive remark to spoil a persons / victims whole day or to make. From a small comment great conflicts arise, that can in some cases lead to violence (particularly amongst young people).
In my line of work i see this all the time.
If we added a one hour weekly lesson to school kids that showed them how to respectfully talk to each other we could just make a slight difference.
Anyone care to comment?
Posted by Tony Dean on July 7, 2010 at 9:26 am | permalink |