Look at this picture. I love this picture. I am carefree, pulled together, and a little bit like a farmer but not too much.

I keep thinking I want to put this picture online. And then I think, I can't. I'm too sad. I need a picture of me moping.
This feeling reminds me of when I was younger, it was very hard for me to get a job, and also hard for me to keep one. I was job hunting all the time.
Job hunting is an insane way to live. You are a depressed, scared, unemployed person and the key to getting out of it is to make yourself into a happy, confident, go-getter.
When I was job hunting, I had tricks for giving myself confidence. I'd try to schedule interviews in the late morning. This would give me time to get my spririts up, but it would not require me holding them up for too long — for say, an end-of-the-day interview.
Other stuff I would do that works:
Go to the gym. The emotional boost you get from the gym can last a few hours if you work out hard enough. When I'm at the gym to change my mood, I do intervals.
Shower and put on makeup right away so that I know the day is serious and there's no crying.
Don't eat. If you don't eat, you are happier. This is not true for people who are starving and dragging themselves across the desert in search of a refugee camp. You know that. But you might not have known that being hungry helps you focus and connect with other people. It's probably a survival instinct. If you don't have berries you have to get someone in the group to give you berries. (Which, come to think of it, is not far from the workplace interview situation.)
I am trying to remind myself that I am great at turning things around. Every time I thought my life was hopeless and I'd never get a job and I'd never be happy again, I'd always get a job. Eventually. And things would turn around. At least for a little.
Today, when work isn't going well, I have this magic place I can go in my head where I just trust that things will work out. I will figure out a better way to make money, I will find someone I want as a business partner. People will forget that I did something stupid. These are things I tell myself.
The most powerful career tool I have is faith in myself. It allows me to move through ups and downs with the grace I did not have when I was younger.
But I don't have that with my personal life. You know that feeling you have that you are going to die if you don't get a job? That's what I have almost every day living with the Farmer.
Some days are good. And I try to write about those days. I want to show you the same optimism with my personal life that I have with my career.
But I actually feel hopeless. I have that feeling I used to have when I was unemployed. Like I wished the world would end. I think I am not alone — other people have this feeling when they are unemployed. But people do not talk like this when they are unemployed because they'll never get hired.
I know that if I don't do anything to make a change, then nothing will change. So today I decide that we should talk. He is in the field. Baling hay.

So I walk out there, a few feet onto the field, which is the universal signal on a farm for "I want to talk to you when you come around to this side of the field."
The Farmer gets out of the tractor to talk with me. But after a couple of minutes he realizes he doesn't want to talk with me. (We have this problem a lot.) So he walks away, gets back on the tractor and starts to drive off.
I walk in front of the tractor so he will stop and talk to me. He drives it into me, so I jump on top of the front. He keeps driving. It is very hard for me to keep from falling off.
I am screaming, "Stop driving!" and he is ignoring me.
I think that's the picture of our relationship, right there. I want to talk, he doesn't, so we do terrible stuff together. I put myself in danger, and he goes along with it by saying that I'm crazy.
We repeat this cycle over and over again. (Here's another example.) And the people who are suffering the most are the kids. They did not see the field today. But I'm not kidding myself: There is no way we are hiding the larger problem from them.
It's insane that I just opened up a huge discussion about homeschooling when I don't feel like this is the right home for the kids. It's insane that I'm starting a company when I know the company will take time away from my marriage when marriage is already sucking.
I feel insane right now. The only thing that grounds me is my ability to earn money. I know I can do fun, meaningful things in my career, and even though I'm not great at money management, I can support my kids.
The person I want to be is the person who believes in the strength of my family no matter what confronts us. I want to feel, in my heart, that things will be fine, and then it'll show in my face all the time. But I am only that way about my career. I wish the skills were transferable, but I don't think they are.




You need to find a new way to talk to the Farmer, because what you are doing now isn't working. He's not just gonna magically feel like listening one day if everything is always approached the same way, so don't wait for that day.
Email him, write him a note, I don't know just approach this a whole new way if you want to try to make it work.
Posted by Jennifer B on August 2, 2011 at 1:56 pm | permalink |
I was just thinking of the same thing. Sort of.
The comment below you says Pen is with the wrong person. It startles me that most people think like that and then marriages end.
We become different people and sometimes changing is like pulling teeth. We change to become the person that our spouses, employers, friends and other people need because we appreciate the relationship enough to morph into what is needed. It's the same as honning skills to get a job.
Maybe what Pen needs more is to figure out ways that work in talking with the Farmer.
I like the note/email idea. It gives people time to think.
And showing them that you got the right intentions to not bring them down or use them as an emotional punching bag.
It took a while for my husband to trust me when I said I needed to talk but didn't want to tear him down. But finally he began giving me little chances and he saw I changed. So now we talk even when the topic at hand makes my intestines churn.
Posted by karelys davis on August 2, 2011 at 4:52 pm | permalink |
Take it to the swamp, sista. Dig down in the mud of your unhappiness, and frustration, and the whole suckiness of not getting the space you need to connect, to be reassured, to vent, to build another bridge to a happier, more functional relationship. Hide away somewhere private, or with a trusted friend, and rage, and feel down, and feel like shit for as long as you need to. Over-exaggerate your misery. Wear a trash bag. Find the music that unlocks the tears and let your unhappiness dance in its most mournful way. Get on your hands and knees and crawl desperately across the floor.
Then, emerge once again to the rest of the world. Celebrate the things that are so completely brilliant, and perfect, and right about you and your life. Shower your love and optimism across the ground and trust time to bring up those little seedlings of the future and relationship you want. Throw yourself a family picnic, buy a piece of your favorite chocolate, or pastry, take a bubble bath, indulge in a fabulous new book, or hit an art museum and absorb something new – do something that enlivens your soul and carries you through until the next time you need to hit the swamp.
Above all, know that you'll make it through.
Posted by Jani on August 3, 2011 at 11:56 am | permalink |
I agree, Jennifer B. Penelope, what are other ways to communicate? Other times? Why are you choosing to do this while he's in the middle of a major task?
If you were in a phone call or video conference with an angel investor, would that be a good time for the Farmer to insist on talking to you about something that wasn't an emergency?
You've posted a lot about why you communicate the way you do. But other people do things differently, and they have reasons for that, too. So the key to good communication–and this is true for all of us–is to figure out how to communicate with that specific person. When are they most likely to be receptive? What phrases make them want to listen, and what phrases make them want to leave the room?
I have no way of knowing that doing this will make everything wonderful between the two of you. But would it hurt to try? Probably not.
Posted by Kate Nonymous on August 3, 2011 at 12:56 pm | permalink |
Katie,
I agree with your points. Here in Wisconsin, we're finally getting rain and it's coming in bursts. For farmers, it's a time crunch to get the hay in before it rains. That means cutting it, raking it, and letting it completely dry before baling (usually 1-2 day's time). If it gets rained on, it looses nutritional value. If it's not completely dry when it's baled, there's a risk of spontaneous combustion and barn fires. The Farmer's work that day is as equally important as Penelope's meeting with an investor. Penelope, do you consider these things and respect what's important to the Farmer?
Posted by avant garde designer on August 3, 2011 at 9:13 pm | permalink |
I don't think you're crazy, at all. You are self-aware and suffering. There is a difference.
No, I think you are with the wrong person, and I think *you* know that you are with the wrong person. Bridging the gap between knowing something and doing something (productive) about it is the hardest thing us first-world, modern people face.
Take care of yourself.
Posted by Courtney on August 2, 2011 at 1:58 pm | permalink |
Is self aware something like self centered? Here's a guy who has taken you and your kids into his life and opens up to an emotional attachment with all of you. I wonder if you know how it feels to hear the offhand remarks you make about him and your relationship. Did it ever occur to you that your kids are in a stable environment which you are not able to provide? You are hot and cold, up and down, in and out no matter where you are or who you are with. Rather than continually destablising the people in your life due to your fluctuating emotional state, have a little empathy for those around you, let them try to get through life without all the unnecessary drama and keep your feelings between you and your counsler/assistant/lame girlfriend/etc. You aren't happy unless you are upsetting your family and that only gives you a moments relief while it gives them a lifetime of neurosis and pain. Think about others, it will give you much more peace than to always focus on yourself.
Posted by Virginia on August 2, 2011 at 10:43 pm | permalink |
+1
Posted by MC on August 8, 2011 at 2:55 am | permalink |
Courtney is a genius.
Posted by DC on August 8, 2011 at 12:44 am | permalink |
I'm always so relieved when you write about how crazy you are. I'm not alone!
With your honesty, you're probably saner than you look. I look crazy because my emotions run hot, but my honesty saves me, venting me off and putting me more in touch with myself than I would be otherwise.
You've written about this yourself. The saving grace in your personal life could be your honesty. It's probably worth more than your career resourcefulness — or maybe it's the root of it.
Posted by Esther on August 2, 2011 at 2:00 pm | permalink |
Penelope, I know how you feel. I can't allow that trust I have in myself to extend to my relationship. Communication is key, but if the farmer refuses to talk, can you communicate in some other way? Emailing, smoke signals, short notes? And maybe incorporate some positive communication in there as well – reminding yourself and him of why you got married. It doesn't all have to be why things aren't working. Anyway, that is a great picture.
Posted by Morgan on August 2, 2011 at 2:02 pm | permalink |
The farmer is farming. Your timing is off. When is he at his best, most available self? After a big dinner? After coming in from the field and napping? Pick one of those moments and then have a discussion. With the children out of the house. Write down your points. Walk away. Let him give you his points. Compromise. Marriage isn't easy. You both have strong personalities. You both need to give alittle. Trying to have a life defining conversation while your husband is working, is not the best timing.
Posted by Christa on August 2, 2011 at 2:15 pm | permalink |
As a farmer's wife, I agree about the timing. Making hay is hot and dirty work. It is not the time to stop him to talk, but the time to stop him with a cold glass of lemonade and a smile. Then he can ponder that act of caring while working. My husband and I have our best talks when we are working together, getting into a rhythm, and there is no need for eye contact if it is uncomfortable because you are focused on the task.
Posted by Earth Girl on August 2, 2011 at 5:10 pm | permalink |
I like this comment the best. Timing is everything on a farm and it's true about the communication. You need a new approach and that's hard when all you want to do is SCREAM and throw things. I think the whole jumping into danger is very revealing. It shows me how much you want this to work and how up against a wall you are. I watched a movie thanks to a friend called Fireproof. My friend is very religious I am not, I'm not anti-anything either. Regardless of that component I thought it was a great movie for couples trying to find their footing. My husband watched it with me and got a lot out of it. There is a book as well and it's also good, follows the concept of doing nice things even when you don't want to and why that actual helps to heal the divide.
I think the Farmer drives you crazy because he's your match and doesn't back down. That can be a hard adjustment for a cooperate CEO type but my guess is it's the only type of relationship you'd waste your time on.
Posted by Kristi on August 3, 2011 at 11:26 am | permalink |
I think you are maybe manic-depressive and need new / better medication(s)?
Keep writing about it. You are obviously very good at that, and I'll bet that mastery / control of your situation on paper helps, at least a little bit..?
Keep trying.
And please stop doing dangerous stuff like stepping in front of tractors.
If not for you, or for your relationship, then please do that for your kids. They can get by without the farm if need be) but not without you.
And get help.
Everything is harder when you are (or feel) alone.
Melissa?
Or whatzername, the "non-nammy"? Where are they both?
Or better still, someone in Madison who can evaluate your situation without judgement and if necessary, get you the correct prescription.
Posted by David on August 2, 2011 at 2:16 pm | permalink |
It's been a very long time since I have commented or contacted you. But I felt compelled to do it today. My heart hurts for you because I am going through the same thing. I am now separated and all these self help/marriage salvation books say (and so does my husband) that neglecting your husband is the quickest way to divorce. I am now separated. I had no idea he was feeling neglected. Why? Because I was busy concentrating on the other love of my life – my future business and career. I also have a husband who does not talk and I am also doing, saying, feeling crazy things that are driving him further away. So now I live in my childhood bedroom in my parents house and I feel like shit but have to force myself to look like your picture to pull out of this misery. Or start taking pills. Which I am not against.
I agree, you have to change. Or we could just be married to the wrong people. Didn't feel that way when we got married did it?
Posted by Sandra on August 2, 2011 at 2:19 pm | permalink |
Have you ever done the Daily Practice (or How to be the Luckiest Person Alive in 4 Easy Steps) that Altucher talks about? Although my sample size is 1, my personal study has shown that it works. I really think it changed my life. For the better, I mean.
Posted by Paul on August 2, 2011 at 2:22 pm | permalink |
You are just one emotion away from changing your life. Sort out the emotion you want to have that is most productive and allow your self to have it. Do just one thing different.
Posted by Woody on August 2, 2011 at 2:27 pm | permalink |
Really sorry to hear that you are feeling so low. This looks like the classic pattern: the more you try to get his attention (and the crazier the stunts you pull to do that) the more he withdraws. He is obviously not someone who likes to talk for the sake of talking or enjoys dramas created for, as he probably sees it, no good reason.
You need to change the pattern. Look at things from his point of view and how he likes to communicate. As one of the comments said above figure out when he is more open and give him time to think about what you have said rather than going on full attack.
Posted by Ciara on August 2, 2011 at 2:28 pm | permalink |
Since Melissa's left your posts got sad. Try bringing more guests to the farm.
Posted by Lisa on August 2, 2011 at 2:37 pm | permalink |
Sorry to hear you are feeling so conflicted. It sounds like you are bumming that your pal Melissa is gone. It always sucks when someone you are close to moves on, and you have to stay behind and carry on. Maybe you need to take a break, get away or something. I'm guessing that being on a farm makes that a little harder to do, but you sound to me like you need a re-charge break.
Posted by Steve C on August 2, 2011 at 2:38 pm | permalink |
Hang on.
Its going to be ok.
Posted by J on August 2, 2011 at 2:39 pm | permalink |
This is a crazy world in a very crazy era and that affects us all in a strange way.The only way through hell is to keep walking until you get out of it.No matter what or how you define hell,personal,marital or whatever.You are stronger than you give yourself credit for,you've proven it many times to many people including yourself.Just take it a day at a time.And trust your gut.
Many virtual hugs and love
Posted by Eirini H on August 2, 2011 at 2:40 pm | permalink |
See, here's the thing, though: Maybe it's because Penelope feels she can't (or shouldn't) write about the farmer extensively … I don't know. But we never really hear about how the farmer communicates with her, how he makes the effort with her, how he's meeting HER needs.
The advice of "figure out ways to do _____ differently, in a way that he'll notive/respect/respond to" is all well-intentioned, and heck – maybe I'm the crazy one, but at some point I'd be asking myself if I want to spend my life figuring out ways to accomodate the needs of someone who doesn't seem at all interested in accomodating mine.
She went to the field. She waited for him to have a moment to talk. He doesn't want to talk. So, game over? Nothing would drive me to do insane things faster than someone shutting me out.
The farmer doesn't sound like a bad guy; he's just set in his ways. And his ways don't seem to be compatible with Penelope's ways. At least not when it comes to communication and meeting each other's emotional needs – two things at the "core" of most long-term relationships, right?
Like I said, Penelope… take care of yourself.
Posted by Courtney on August 2, 2011 at 2:42 pm | permalink |
I grew up on a farm. To get along with a farmer, you need to understand that sometimes his time is worth not as much, sometimes it's worth hundreds of dollars an hour. As a previous poster mentioned, farming is about timing. If the baler breaks, for example, when rain is coming, no one is responsible for saving the hay but the farmer. That responsibility–and the danger–of farming can weigh a person down. Penelope, what is weighing the farmer down? Could he tell a third-party, such as a counselor, then talk with you and the counselor? Farmers tend to be very concerned with safety practices, to keep themselves and their loved ones safe, in an environment with many hungry teeth. If you throw yourself on a tractor, and he keeps driving, you are both in very dark places that probably took a while to slip down into, and someone could get badly hurt. It may seem impossible to temporarily leave, financially or otherwise, but I have faith in your intelligence and creativity. If you eventually decide that you cannot be satisfied with your farmer–if you, for example, need someone more verbal–then set him free.
Posted by Valerie on August 3, 2011 at 6:17 pm | permalink |
i have a fantasy that, if everyone were this authentic and accountable in a public forum, the world would heal and happiness would prevail.
Posted by zan on August 2, 2011 at 2:45 pm | permalink |
I have a mental picture of Penelope and the Farmer sitting at the kitchen table reading all of this and laughing at all of us, at all of this unsolicited advice, and at the amazing human ability to know how to fix everyone else's problems.
Posted by Paul on August 2, 2011 at 2:58 pm | permalink |
some of us have been through struggles and have found out what works – the hard way, and want to share it
anyway even if the advice isn't helpful it at least shows we care
Posted by Tony on August 2, 2011 at 4:04 pm | permalink |
We actually talk about the comments all the time… Well, when we are talking to each other. Which is not now. But soon. I'm sure.
Anyway, we love the comments. It's a reality check. Things are very scary in a marriage when it's all a secret and there is no outside perspective. We have the opposite — people know everything so I feel this sense of safety that if anything is really really terrible, someone will say it in the comments.
The comments have helped me through so many tough spots in my own life. If you give people enough information about yourself, you can trust that they'll give you good feedback in return.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on August 3, 2011 at 10:14 pm | permalink |
Amen.
Posted by dannielle on August 2, 2011 at 3:02 pm | permalink |
Also,If you want to feel better,go against your western beliefs and try eating instead of starving for a change.Food satisfies our deepest survival instincts.Contrary to what you've been led to believe,nobody can feel content or happy on an empty stomach.Have some spaghetti:carbohydrates make you feel full and trigger feelings of euphoria.Chocolate has the same effect.
Posted by Eirini H on August 2, 2011 at 2:50 pm | permalink |
Penelope, you have a good man. You are a good person. Invest in marriage counseling. You both have a lot going on and, as another poster commented, you both have strong personalities. The kids love the Farmer and he loves them and you. Get some help–from a professional, not Melissa.
Posted by Pat Sharp on August 2, 2011 at 2:52 pm | permalink |
I think, dear Lady, that in order for you to be able to (realistically) believe in the strength of your family no matter what confronts you, everyone has to be "pulling together," and it sounds to me, based on what I've read – which we must acknowledge is only half of the you-and-the-farmer story – like the farmer is not as invested in all this as you are. I'm wondering if he's not a farmer because he wants a simple life…and you're not a simple woman. you might be more than he can/wants to handle. i think there must be (or should be) a kind of man who doesn't have to use up his energy working hard all day, so he can make his partner, or partners, his main focus. I think there should be a way for men to work at their relationships for a living – without it always being work, of course. that might allow us to devote half the energy to our relationships that so many women do regardless of their their careers.
I don't know…this is just kind of stream-of-consciousness meandering. take it for what it's worth.
love, walt
Posted by walt on August 2, 2011 at 2:55 pm | permalink |
Farming is not necessarily a simple life. Ingenuity, financial acumen, discipline–it can be extremely demanding in a variety of ways. It can present an interesting contrast to some office jobs that are conducted in air-conditioned and heated environments, perhaps with coworkers and bosses to talk and consult with, with IT gurus to call for technical support.
Posted by Valerie on August 3, 2011 at 7:12 pm | permalink |
I love this. It is beautiful, and really wrenches my heart. You set an example by being successful in your career yet showing us just how vulnerable and human you are. It's not easy.
Posted by Limane on August 2, 2011 at 2:56 pm | permalink |
This just reinforces that life is never balanced. I've always had either love, career or health. But never all three at once. When I was making a ton of money I was overweight, in chronic pain and single. When I was thin I was broke and my relationship was on the rocks. When I was in love I had huge debt, no career prospects and 30 extra pounds.
If I could get even two out of three at once I would be happy. Right now I've got my health so I keep reminding myself that without my health I didn't really enjoy the money or the men.
Posted by Katy on August 2, 2011 at 3:01 pm | permalink |
"The most powerful career tool I have is faith in myself. It allows me to move through ups and downs with the grace I did not have when I was younger."
The most powerful emotional tool you have is also faith in yourself.
You deserve to be loved. Fully. Wildly. Without reservations or conditions. Warts and all. Until you love yourself that way you won't be open to receiving real love from anyone else.
Maybe The Farmer does truly love you, but doesn't know how to show it? Maybe he's frustrated because he doesn't understand your expectations. What do you need him to say or do to make you feel safe?
Posted by Vanessa on August 2, 2011 at 3:10 pm | permalink |
Hey…I'm a talker that way too. But look: When you get that feeling you just HAVE to talk to the farmer RIGHT NOW? That's not a relationship feeling.
It's anxiety. Whatever demons are driving you, that's them driving.
Next time you HAVE to talk to the farmer try something else. Try sitting on the ground and breathing. Try taking some pictures or restacking some books or hitting the gym. Tell yourself "I think I need to talk to the farmer, but this is my anxiety, not reality."
Also you could try Harrier Lerner's books, starting with the dance of Intimacy.
But seriously hon: Try thinking of this as "I am anxious" not "we have to have this talk." For like, a month. Come write here instead. I don't promise this will improve your relationship or give you inner peace, but I promise it will lower the bullshit factor. Right now you are giving into the bullshit each time. There is no issue you have that cannot wait, I promise. If there is one, he'll bring it up first.
Posted by Shandra on August 2, 2011 at 3:12 pm | permalink |
Best. Comment. Ever. I want to tattoo this inside my forehead!
Posted by Kathy on August 8, 2011 at 8:22 am | permalink |
I have a child with a farmer and I have to say that communicating with him goes about the same way.
Maybe there is something inherent with farmers and not wanting to talk?
Posted by Cassie Boorn on August 2, 2011 at 3:14 pm | permalink |
Oh, Penelope dear, that's where you're wrong, those skills ARE transferable. No woman wants to admit it, but being married IS a career. No matter how wonderful the man that we marry may be, it is still a full time job to be married to him. The question you have to ask yourself is whether you love him enough to deal with the sometimes s*$#tty job or not. Bad communication patterns can be fixed. Seasons of not communicating well and not feeling loved are just that, seasons. Do you want to teach your boys that it's okay to run every time a relationship gets hard? You have so much tenacity, so much spirit, so many good and new and brilliant ideas, yet it sounds in this post like you've given up, like you're ready to sell this company that is your marriage. I hope that you and your farmer can make some of those ideas work for the two of you together.
Posted by Ruthie on August 2, 2011 at 3:15 pm | permalink |
Awww. First a hug as you go through this difficult time. I don't know what your communication style is with the farmer but it sounds like it might feel threatening and confrontational to him because he looks like he is shutting down. There is no wrong or right, it's how you both feel and maybe you feel like you need to talk but he is uncomfortable with the setting or style.
To really reach someone, it's important to honor the communication style that feels most comfortable for them.
With my last boyfriend, I pressed on him when I was feeling lonely and unloved and that would frustrate him, but in some unconscious way, testing him made me realize he wanted to fight for us. But it was unhealthy and ultimately drove us apart.
After that relationship ended, I spent a lot of time on this website (not affiliated) learning about better communication skills. Something has to change, and we can't change our partners but we can learn how to approach them better in ways that make them feel more safe communicating with us:
http://al.turtlecounseling.com/blog/Relationships
Spend some time reading there. He also offers counseling via phone. The guy is good, a friend of mine used him. I couldn't, because my own relationship had ended. Email me if you want to talk more, but I wanted to offer you support for both of you. I know you love eachother and it's not too late to turn this around.
Some of the other things I learned from my own failures is that it's important to spend time together enjoying eachother's company.
(I think someone did a math problem with love and they found that for every 1 bad thing that exists or happens, 5 or 6 good things have to exist to balance it out. For every 1 unsuccessful talk, there needs to be like 5 or 6 conversations that go well maybe. So everytime you're talking doesn't sound like it will turn into the same broken record.)
Another thing I learned is that it is important to honor the person. Treat them with the courtesy and professionalism of a coworker because it's good to hold in hotheadedness and have a dialogue that can deal with diversity without turning into a threat or challenge match. How do you handle conflict in the workplace? That would be a good blog post. Then apply those skills at home. Love your posts and wishing you good thoughts, you rock and we love you lots.
Posted by me on August 2, 2011 at 3:17 pm | permalink |
Do you think maybe you were originally attracted to the farmer because talking was not important to him? I also have AS, and I live alone, and will always live alone, because living in the same building/room as another person would kill my energy, and prevent me from creating.
Posted by vicky on August 2, 2011 at 3:21 pm | permalink |
The only way I learned to live with my seemingly crazy complex self was through astrology. Weird but true. The only way I learned to live with my spouse was through this bit of wisdom (repeated as needed): "I am living my perfect life" (because indeed it is my life to inhabit without damaging others in the process). Compassion for self and others is the heart of it all. Learning where and how to find calm in the heart of chaos makes a difference. None of this is easy but it's far less exhausting than chasing solutions from others.
Posted by Susan on August 2, 2011 at 3:26 pm | permalink |
Back when the wife and I were first married, we fought all the time. This one time we got into a fight about French Fries. We screamed at each other. She left the house crying. I punched a hole in the wall.
Because of French Fries.
I know that hopeless feeling you're talking about; that belief (no matter how much you don't want to believe it) that everything is going south in a hurry, that maybe you made a mistake, that this isn't the person for you, that nobody else suffers like this. I know that feeling very well. I'm sorry that's where you are right now.
The more I talk to people, though, the more I think this kind of thing is relatively normal for people who have largely different personalities. My wife is a fairly strong introvert whereas I'm a fairly strong extrovert. She's a planner and I'm a fly-by-the-seat-of-my-pants type of person. There is no right or wrong in any of that. It's just how we are. It takes some doing for us to figure each other out. I know me saying this won't help much, but you'll get through. You'll get to the point where fights like that don't stress you out as much, where you know when to push buttons and when to sit back and wait, where no matter how bad things seem in the moment you know things will get better because he comes around eventually. He always does.
One suggestion (if you don't mind): Don't interrupt him when he's at work. If you were in an important business meeting, or deep into writing your next blog post, or buried in financial paperwork, and he interrupted you, threw all your papers on the floor and said "WE HAVE TO TALK RIGHT NOW!" chances are you'd be mad and wouldn't want to talk, either. Just because he's right there doesn't mean he's available at that moment (and neither should he be. He's at work). Wait till he IS available, tell him you have something serious to discuss and you'd like to schedule a time â now, if it works for him, later if it doesn't (get a specific time, though) – and then wait. The waiting will drive you nuts. It drives me nuts, but sometimes you have to wait. That's just how it is. It might not be perfect, but it'll probably net a better r.o.i. than jumping on a tractor and almost killing yourself.
Posted by Joe on August 2, 2011 at 3:26 pm | permalink |
Joe, you are a wise man. I agree with everything you've written.
Posted by rb on August 2, 2011 at 6:20 pm | permalink |
Ditto – truer words were never spoken, particularly with regard to the nature of marriage/long term relationships. Don't throw in the towel, as you know Pen, downs are always followed by ups. It is the nature of human relationships. I hate my husband of almost 22 years just as much as I love him! You just have to make peace with it – I also believe it is normal.
Posted by Helen on August 2, 2011 at 7:58 pm | permalink |
I'm conflicted about this situation. One the one hand it's clear you need to have more, and more fruitful, communication with your husband. But your approach seems to guarantee that you'll antagonize him before that communication can occur. Surely you two can devise an adults-only protocol for regular eye-to-eye conversation with sensible rules (like no tractor-jumping). Try it, get comfortable with it (the protocol, not the topics necessarily), let it stretch you both into more security of affection. In your "off hours," while your husband is "farming," you can be your other self.
Posted by Peter on August 2, 2011 at 3:30 pm | permalink |
I was married to a farmer and as another commenter said, I think they are possibly even less inclined to talk than normal men (ha!) – and men in general aren't up for talking, again as another commenter said, when they're working.
I highly recommend alison armstrong http://understandmen.com/ – she changed my life in understanding that most of what we take to be problems with men are just that they are men – it sounds other than your feeling of panic about the relationship (I used to have that too), life there is good and you love him – read her stuff, please.
You have no shortage of courage, perserverance or integrity, and it sounds like neither does he. Just please checkk out Alsions stuff. If nothing else it'll be blog content, since in our careers we are usually faced with communicating and dealing with men.
You're amazing, btw.
Posted by ginny on August 2, 2011 at 3:33 pm | permalink |
Wishing you all well.
Posted by Candice on August 2, 2011 at 3:38 pm | permalink |
Penelope, Those skills are transferable. Trust me. I have been through a lot both in my career and in my personal life. I won't go through a lot of detail here, but some career lows include having my entire department outsourced (and laid off) when I was 9-months pregnant with my 2nd child (my first was not even 2 years old), having my enployer indicted and put out of business by the Justice Dept (see US vs Arthur Andersen) and then having to keep changing roles continuously in my current job for various reasons (so not getting ahead). On the personal side, I have endured losing everything several times in my life due to divorce, hurricane, flood, theft, being separated from my children for 9 months when I didn't have a home, and more.
In my current situation, I am married to an absolutely wonderful man who is good to me and my children. He has children of his own and they are wonderful kids too. I really love my husband and he is my best friend. But I would be lying if I said it was easy. We seem to get along best when it is just the two of us and our kids are with their other parent. There are a lot of issues I will not get into, but here is where I tell you how your skills are transferable.
When you seem to be stuck in your career or tumbling down, you have a way of looking at things and asking yourself questions like: What is the worse that could happen? How would I deal with that? What are the pros and cons of staying versus going? How do I pull myself out of this rut? What are the positive things I learned from this experience? Would could be the next move for me if I do not stay here? (There are more, but you get the picture.)
Well those questions absolutely apply to your personal life as well! Life, as in work, often has factors that are out of our control. But we can control how we react to them. When I start worrying about how I will survive if my marriage doesn't, I make a plan in my head of what I would do and where I would go. It calms me and I then am able to look at my current situation more rationally and often realize the grass is NOT greener elsewhere. I can then live in the moment and enjoy what I have and where I am now.
And if things would not end up working out, I have at least thought of some options. And even with no options, I realize that I have lost so much in the past and have overcome it every time. I am not afraid. I will be fine and so will my kids. Because I am a "pull myself up by my bootstraps" kind of girl. And so are YOU!
Posted by Sandra on August 2, 2011 at 3:42 pm | permalink |
Falling back on personal experience, I'd suggest if he makes it clear he doesn't want to talk then don't push it, it's necessary to respect that wish and in so doing you show that you respect him. Don't leave before agreeing a time to have the talk, when you can both give the subject the time and attention it deserves.
I know I'm not alone rooting for you both. Love can get you through anything. Re-read your post 'Turning Point', and dwell on the family photo – and the happiness in your face.
Posted by Tony on August 2, 2011 at 3:42 pm | permalink |
There was a farmer who loved his wife so much, he thought about telling her once.
Posted by Mark on August 2, 2011 at 3:54 pm | permalink |
Wow. This is how many of my past relationships (and one marriage) went all the time, until one of us pulled the trigger and jumped ship. But my marriage now is not like that. I'm going to share some of my experience, which may not apply, but I hope it may help.
I think the difference is that I now know that my husband is not responsible for how I feel. That's my job. and when I feel anxious and crazy and sad? I can tell him (at an appropriate time, but not say, when he is in the middle of something he needs to get done), but he can't do anything to change how I feel. The other thing I eventually learned is that how I feel is a fluid thing. It will change. When I feel bad? I won't feel that way forever. I always thought how i felt RIGHT NOW was going to stay. Now I know different, and my experience has borne that out. Not that it isn't hard to go through. And it takes practice.
You need to talk to someone about how you feel and what you think the farmer should do or be. I have found the WORST person in the world to talk to about what I think is wrong with my husband is… You guessed it, my husband. I can talk to anyone else about whatever it is, and in no time? I am realizing that the problem is my fear about something.
Penelope, you are not alone. Life is great, you are amazing, your boys are great, and the farmer is just some fucking guy. Don't let him and this marriage become the linchpin of your existence. It's a thing that adds to your life, not your whole life. I wish I could be there at the farm and have talked you off the hood of the tractor. You mean so much to so many people, including me. Good luck!
Posted by Gail on August 2, 2011 at 3:57 pm | permalink |
i like the farmer – he's been good for you – but you'll never get a different brain to behave like your brain does. Unless you plan on hooking up with a twin – and even then you'd probably hate it because you're very fussy – focus on what does work and find some middle ground on the parts that don't and embrace the differences. P.S. your writing has gotten better since the move to the farm – don't take us back to a soulless, corporate, city view of things – selfish, I know.
Posted by trish on August 2, 2011 at 3:58 pm | permalink |
Two words: marital counseling. I am only engaged, but we did some pre-marital counseling sessions and they have changed my life and my relationship completely, and given me powerful tools for communicating more effectively. Outside perspectives are so critical, and make you realize 1. you're not alone, 2. the challenges are not as insurmountable as you think, 3. the issues you're having are shared by LOTS of other couples.
Posted by Anna on August 2, 2011 at 4:01 pm | permalink |
Thanks, Anna. I think one of the reasons I love writing the blog so much is that every time I feel crazy or alone or in a muddle that no one has ever seen, every time I think I'm there, someone tells me that other people have been where I've been and other people have gotten out. It's nice to hear. If you want to do nothing, it's nice to think you're alone. But if you want to fix things, it's nice to hear they've been fixed before, by someone else.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on August 2, 2011 at 5:48 pm | permalink |
No Penelope, you are certainly NOT alone, as you and I can see from these heart warming comments.
I, like you, emotionally ride up and down, in my career, in my marriage, in many of the same ways you describe. Over the years I have learned to deal with these challenges and today,thankfully, the hills and valleys are gentle slopes. I don't wake up in a state of panic anymore. I got past that. But while I was enduring the ride, I started thinking about WHY I was panicking, when others might have handled the hurdles with less drama.
I had to ask myself, how much of my anxiety was REAL and justified. Situations come and go, but how I REACTED TO THEM determined how much they influenced me. And boy, did they influence me! My state of mind was exaggerating my emotional responses. My FEELINGS made events and issues seem more threatening than they really were. And I figured this out, by realizing that when I felt GOOD and more CONFIDENT, life seemed more manageable. It WAS more manageable, even though the situations had not changed.
So I had to face the question, was I living in an emotional illusion? YES, was the answer. I was then able to correct the real problem. Everyone has their own way of doing that. My correction didn't need medication.
Regarding the communications issues between you and the Farmer: I believe I once read that he met you through your blog. If that's the case, he responds to your written words. And even if you met in another way, my suggestion will be the same: write him a love letter.
You've received a lot of sound advice on this post, about timing, men who don't like to talk, a farmer's mentality, threatening men with confrontations can be tricky, etc. Try a love letter, written by hand, from a quiet place in your heart. Think about all the reasons why you share your life with him, and your children, and your bed and body. Tell him why, with all the life choices you could have made, you chose HIM, and his farm, and the fatherhood he bestows on your children. Tell him how you much you appreciate and love him for the sacrifices he made for you, when he took you into his life, leaving mush of his family behind. Write these thoughts by hand, slowly and sincerely. Then seal them in an envelope and leave it on his pillow with a white rose. And then wait.
Love him, Penelope. Love him because your soul loves him. Because he deserves to be loved. Because he wants to be loved. Because he needs to be loved. As you do. Hold it together, Penelope. Try one more time.
Irv
Posted by Irving Podolsky on August 3, 2011 at 1:49 pm | permalink |
There is comfort in knowing…you/we/I/the neighbor…is not alone.
B is very excited to see your kiddo tmw.
Posted by GG on August 5, 2011 at 11:35 am | permalink |
Oh, Penelope. Your honesty about how your life feels so hard to handle makes me feel like I'm not alone. You're not alone either. Take care of yourself.
Posted by Kate on August 2, 2011 at 4:17 pm | permalink |
Your post makes me sad. I loved how the farmer is teaching the kids about raising hogs etc and I wish you two could work things out. I don't have any answers for you. Listen to Gillian Welch's new song "Tennessee". Excerpts: "It's only what I want that makes me weak" and "But of all the little ways I find to hurt myself, you might be my favorite one of all".
Posted by diane tchakirides on August 2, 2011 at 4:19 pm | permalink |
Penelope I think the Farmer loves you & your boys but he shows it in ways other than saying I love you or giving you a hug when you need one. Remember how many hours he put into helping your son get ready for the fair? That is love. Take him for what he is(which is what you fell in love with in the first place)and try not to expect more than he is capable of giving. I know that's not easy….
Posted by Kathy on August 2, 2011 at 4:20 pm | permalink |
Love to you. So much love and understanding I am sending to you.
Marriage (of any kind, legal or otherwise) IS a career. It's not a start up career though, where you try and turn it around fast and move on to something else, it's the kind that works when you work it. There seems to be so much good there, I'd hate for you to make your children miserable by not committing yourself to try DIFFERENTLY. There are so many other things to do than what you know and what you are doing. (Although OH, how I get what you are doing!) Also, there is so much in our world that keeps us moving away from each other. Don't buy it.
Posted by Claire on August 2, 2011 at 4:36 pm | permalink |
Hells teeth! I'm a farmer and married and no it aint easy. I also have a full time job as does the wife raising the kids. She sees it as a business, as a job. We run Family Inc. together.
Maybe it helps to put your family and relationship in terms you understand. So treat it like a business. Invest in your infrastructure, schedule your meetings. Find the areas in your family and life that return a profit beit emotional or otherwise.
Dont interrupt your business partner when he is working. Expect feedback on new projects. Set clear deadlines. STICK to budgets. Mentor your children to get the best of all worlds.
Life is trial by fire and there is no repeat season. Suck it up and give some back.
Be cool. Take care
Posted by Sean on August 2, 2011 at 4:49 pm | permalink |
prob the best advice!
Posted by karelys davis on August 2, 2011 at 5:02 pm | permalink |
@ Sean:
Your "Hell's teeth!" intro reminds me that Garrison Keillor of Prairie Home Companion fame, has an ongoing "Norwegian bachelor farmer" characterization in his stories. This is, of course, the silent and inscrutable character with high color in his high cheekbones. This character leaves you guessing. He also has the self-interested characteristics of being ill-groomed and uber-frugal. He may be averse to change. Keeps to himself, etc.
I bring up this composite character because, if you are not enmeshed, it is humorous. You gotta love 'em, in the same way that when we had really unattractive or cranky babies in the nursery, we (nurses) used to say, "He is so ugly, he is cute".
Likewise, if you ARE enmeshed (read "married") to a character like the Norwegian bachelor farmer, it is like a really tough workout at the gym or the training schedule you have for an athletic event. You come away from your encounter sore and abraded, perhaps with bruises. You are exhausted and dehydrated. And you say "It hurts so good". Those crazy athletes, they may also say "No pain, no gain".
Posted by chris Keller on August 6, 2011 at 9:06 am | permalink |
How (why) did Twitter bring me to this article today? Powerful stuff… and then all these thoughtful, caring comments and responses. Penelope, you sure seemed to be loved! Breathe in, breathe out.
Posted by Joanne Yinger on August 2, 2011 at 4:57 pm | permalink |
Penelope, I have a son with Asperger's. I've been reading you for about a month now. I agree with an earlier poster that I think you might have some bipolar tendencies coupled with depression. Are you on medication?
What you're saying about not eating is really, really messed up. Yes, I went and read that article you cited, about how hungry people are more sociable, etc., but this is the eating disordered person in you talking. It's a very bad idea to starve yourself, to make a relationship with food so freakingly out of proportion to what it should be, which is to sustain your physical body and nourish your soul in a humble, community-centric way.
I wish you all the best, and for your children's sake, please go talk to a doctor about mood stabilizers. It's not your fault, none of this. Please stop analyzing so much and get some help just being…the prescribed meds will lay a proper foundation for that. XOXO
Posted by Kiki on August 2, 2011 at 5:08 pm | permalink |
Just sending you love and good vibes from Chicago because I believe in you and your ability to keep yourself and your boys safe.
Posted by Alisa on August 2, 2011 at 5:18 pm | permalink |
It's funny no matter how many replies you get here… you get so many conflicting responses…do you ever tally them to count the pros and cons? Keeping in mind of course that you really don't know the credibility of these sources of advice.
I'm sure you are both good people. Doesn't mean it's a good match for marriage. If you truly feel this way EVERY SINGLE DAY. Stop. It's madness.
You are a creator. Create something different with all that faith in yourself. And share it with us! Create a marriage counseling site with user generated content. Similar to BC… call it Brazen Counseling. Get your Ex to participate. The fact that you two communicate better than others shows substantial credibility for this type of site. Run it together?
Get back to the city and create a bigger network of friends and/or support and go back to the gym.
Posted by Sue on August 2, 2011 at 5:22 pm | permalink |
Beautiful post. You have so much reason to not have faith that the marriage will work out and are only just now starting to accumulate reasons that it will. You advise people who get fired to tell themselves a new story of why they left their jobs. It's such great advice. On this blog you tell yourself the story of why the marriage will work. Keep telling that story. It's the right one.
He is right for you, and you are right for him. Keep at it.
Posted by Elizabeth on August 2, 2011 at 5:37 pm | permalink |
This comment makes me cry. Thanks, Elizabeth.
Posted by Penelope Trunk on August 2, 2011 at 5:46 pm | permalink |
I think you're still job hunting. And I think you're still relationship hunting. I think you believe the next great career is just around the corner, right by the next great relationship. I think satisfaction and contentment are abhorrent to you, and you do everything in your power (not necessarily consciously) to keep yourself dissatisfied and discontent. I think you cloak this behavior in the pursuit of "honesty" and "authenticity" but you're just kidding yourself. I think you enjoy stirring the shit in your own life.
You wrote this today, "Job hunting is an insane way to live. You are a depressed, scared, unemployed person and the key to getting out of it is to make yourself into a happy, confident, go-getter." Now change the words "job" and "unemployed" to "relationship" and "unloved" and take your own advice.
Posted by Sharon on August 2, 2011 at 5:50 pm | permalink |
Penelope:
1. Most men hate talking about feelings. It is what it is.
2. If you can go to that magic place in your head with your marriage, you're way ahead of the game.
3. Please remember that everything goes better with bacon.
You are a survivor. You'll get through this. xs
Posted by Su T Fitterman on August 2, 2011 at 5:50 pm | permalink |
Yes, we have all been there, done that, got the T-Shirt. Marriage is a tough game. It goes up and down. One of the things that will help you a lot is establishing some ground rules. For instance, Don't ask the farmer to stop and talk about life when he is in the middle of bailing hay. Don't jump on the front of a moving tractor.
On the other hand, if you have a wife who has jumped on your tractor, she's pretty serious about the conversation so don't keep driving!
Don't break lamps over your head.
At the same time, don't leave your wife (and kids) alone while you go off to sulk at mommy and daddy's overnight.
You guys need to sit down with a marriage counselor and make some rules AND STICK BY THEM. That's what my husband and I did and it's worked out a lot better. Try it.
Posted by Kay Lorraine on August 2, 2011 at 6:06 pm | permalink |
Actually, a few months ago, I wanted to submit a post to Brazen Careerist about how much I fucking hate job hunting. I hate being unemployed. I remarked about my desperation and utter feelings of hopelessness. The people who responded said it was normal (to be lost/not know where I'm going), but most of the time I feel like I'm drowning, like I'm suffocating.
I hate being unemployed. I hate looking for a job. I hate not knowing what the hell I'm doing or where I'm going.
I don't have the feelings of confidence that you've talked about in this post. I don't know if things are going to work out. I'm hoping they are, and I'm working on it. But… I'm not sure what'll happen. :/
Posted by Tatiana on August 2, 2011 at 6:08 pm | permalink |
I think you need to talk to Jeanenne. She may be able to lift your spirits. This post is definitely a follow-up post to the recent 'How to see the need for change' post. I didn't comment on that post as it seemed your words were composed for yourself for something to believe in (your best attempt for looking at something optimistically) rather than what was really what you believe or want ("in your heart").
I think you are launching new stuff on your site, starting a new company, etc. to keep yourself so busy so as not to have to think too much about your relationship with the Farmer. Many people do this and for some people it works and for other people it doesn't. I think you fall into the later category because that's who you are. You know yourself. So maybe the best advice I can give is to know the Farmer as well as you know yourself and take it from there.
I also love that photo of you on this post. It would be a nice change to have that photo in place of the existing photo in the header. Something different.
Posted by Mark W. on August 2, 2011 at 6:38 pm | permalink |
I don't know if this applies to the Farmer but I'm the one who shuts down in my marriage, not my husband. My husband would never step in front of my tractor–he's too practical and restrained. But he comes after me and even when I turn him away, I still want him there. It's a strange, painful state of wanting to get away and not wanting to be alone. It's so hard. I don't think the Farmer really means to run away from you. He is still here, after all. I just think, if he is anything like me in this regard, that it's so hard to be confronted. And it's a way to test if that person will continue to come after you even when you're scared. I'm glad my husband comes toward me when I turn away. Even though it's my nature to at first want to get away from him, I still need him to try to get me. That's how I feel loved. The Farmer's parents have abandoned him in many ways, right? I've been abandoned by a parent and other people. I think that's the wound it's coming from.
Posted by Joselle on August 2, 2011 at 6:56 pm | permalink |
Sorry you're sad, P. By gum I'd like to read a post or two from The Farmer! Any chance? He'd get to tell his story and let off steam. You'd get to 'talk' to him indirectly (like folks did in the old days via letters). And his take on matters would probably double your readership overnight. Is possible? P.
Posted by Paul Hassing on August 2, 2011 at 6:57 pm | permalink |
Oh Sweetie, I'm sorry things are so hard. But your timing sucks.
Men talk better when they are busy with a task- but not their job. Give him some clothes to fold, or take him fishing, or ask for help in the garden… something where he isn't so task oreinted and can share some attention with you.
Posted by Jill on August 2, 2011 at 6:57 pm | permalink |
I know that this is a very serious post and that you'll get alot of insight into what you should or shouldn't do about your marriage. But I couldn't help but chuckle. The field visual makes me laugh.
{But for the record I really hope you make it with the farmer}
Posted by Stephanie on August 2, 2011 at 7:29 pm | permalink |
Love that – so true!
Posted by Bridget on August 2, 2011 at 8:38 pm | permalink |
Some thoughts that MIGHT help get you and the farmer talking…
1) I assume you know what YOU want to get out of the conversation, in other words I assume you know what will a successful talk look / sound like TO YOU … is that correct? Until you can answer 'yes' to that, STOP trying to talk to him!
2) YOU really need to figure out what's in it FOR HIM? How does your talking improve upon HIS silent serenity?
3) Final KEY point … we guys only need to use up FAR FEWER WORDS every day than you gals. Women seem to universally nneed to use up 10,000+ words a day. We guys only need to use maybe 2,000 words a day. Any guy who talks MORE than that on an everyday basis is NOT a normal guy.
So … IF you can get your daily word usage down to maybe 5,000 words he MIGHT double his word up to maybe 4,000 words per day. But please do try very hard to answer for yourself WHAT'S IN IT FOR HIM … and until you know that, the conversation is going nowhere.
I hate to brak it to you, but MOST normal guys would rather stick giant knitting needles into their brain through their eardrums rather than "let's talk", and no amount of YOUR talking will change that.
Posted by Davers6 on August 2, 2011 at 7:48 pm | permalink |
Some people are great at relationships. Some people are great at business. Some people are great at faking that they're great at both when they're only good at one and work double-time to save (or avoid) the other. And some people just suck at everything.
I think all of those are just perceptions we have based on how we expect (or want) other people to view us. In truth, if you're shitty at work, love, friendship, whatever, that's probably okay. The world needs people who are good at whatever they're good at, regardless of how bad they are at everything else. And if you really ARE bad at everything, there's probably a book in that idea.
Posted by Justin Kownacki on August 2, 2011 at 8:27 pm | permalink |
Boy are you one lucky girl. Look at all this fantastic support, and all the wonderful suggestions. I do think the most valuable thread is that he is working and not receptive to talking while working. As a matter of fact, if I were him out there bailing, I would be doing a lot of thinking. So as his partner I might like to talk to him before he goes into the field and then wait until he thinks about it to respond.
Obviously you deal with situations by venting them through friends-us, and then you have a better perspective. He might be the type that needs to think it through for himself and then let you know what he has decided.
I am a big advocate of when the conversation gets heated and I would be inclined to say something or think something irrevocably bad – table the discussion, agree to a time to meet in the future. That way you have heard what your partner has said they have heard you, no shots have been fired. You can look at their position in comparison with your position and see what sits with you and what doesn't.
Also,since you miss a social life you should go have one.
Posted by Bridget on August 2, 2011 at 8:36 pm | permalink |
Penelope,
Don't listen to people telling you that you are bi-polar. Penelope, insanity happens. No, I'm not being trite. I have three sisters and a mom and we let it all hang out. We are not the type of family who pretends everything is o.k. when it's not. Nuttiness and feeling hopeless is just how some days go. Whenever I'm feeling hopeless I call my mom. I'm crying, upset, I want to leave my family (we are a blended family and the amount of conflict is not easy on our marriage) and I'm feeling lost. She always tells me it's o.k. women are emotional we go through our crazy times and that it will pass. She tells me of a time in her life when she was a screaming lunatic and "that's just how it is with us women". She says always says this in a matter of fact tone with her finnish accent and I always feel better. Sometimes she tells me to be quiet and meditate or take a homeopathic remedy – prayer helps sometimes too. But, in the end, Penelope, we are women and it's how we roll. We have to talk, and talk and get it all out even if there isn't a solution in the end.
When I meet other women who, at times, feel they have to be 'nice' all the time and end up on antidepressants I just want to tell them to get mad and break something.
Thanks to my mom, she gives me permission to be pissed or really scared and sometimes that's all we need.
love, Anita
Posted by Anita Junttila on August 2, 2011 at 8:44 pm | permalink |
Aw, your mom sounds like an angel. I'm a mom now and I'm going to remember what you said about her. Since my 5 year old is already throwing crying fits in her room (nobody loves me!! It's ALL my mom's fault) I could use some comebacks for when things calm down.
Posted by Sarah on August 3, 2011 at 10:09 pm | permalink |
I keep thinking of your previous posts on how the Farmer has been so kind and thoughtful with your boys and it would be an absolute shame if things didn't work out for you all. It sounds like the Farmer is an introvert. Introverts are a special breed (I know, I am one), have you thought of trying to reach out and communicate with how an introvert is comfortable communicating? We need to process things first. Check out this great article from the Atlantic about introverts. http://tinyurl.com/ykcb89w
Posted by Mary Budge on August 2, 2011 at 9:01 pm | permalink |
Do you read all the comments? Just wondered. Penelope you want certainty. And there is only one thing we need to learn. To be comfortable with uncertainty. Simple. But difficult. I enjoyed the post.
Posted by Howard Stein on August 2, 2011 at 10:16 pm | permalink |
"I walk in front of the tractor so he will stop and talk to me. He drives it into me, so I jump on top of the front. He keeps driving. It is very hard for me to keep from falling off. I am screaming, "Stop driving!" and he is ignoring me."
This part of your post just gave me the creeps. What you both did is so dangerous.
This made think of that old 1991 Reese Witherspoon movie called 'The Man in the Moon' where her love interest falls from his tractor and is smushed by it.
Anyway, like a few other have said, the grass really is NOT greener. I heard Joyce Meyer say the other day, that the grass is not greener on the other side because if you go to the other side, you still have to mow the grass. I find that she has a point.
Hang in there.
Posted by shim aka NappyKitchen on August 2, 2011 at 10:54 pm | permalink |
Ay, yay, yay. That is Spanish for Oye Vay. You did better when Melissa was there. You need another friend. The Farmer has to work and won't stop to talk to you. You need a friend to listen to you.
Posted by Socorro on August 2, 2011 at 11:32 pm | permalink |
Dear Pen, look back at your earlier posts not too long ago. You were sure the farm was a great place to raise your kids. You sounded so content. What happened?
Something that brought my marriage some much needed intimacy was writing notes and letters to each other. Choose a topic, a safe one at first, and both of you write to each other for 15 minutes or so. Then read each others letter. Try to do this every day. Write with love and compassion. Tell each other how you feel.
This is a guaranteed way to bring you closer and effectively communicate. Please try it!
And remember, you have 10s of thousands of people who care about you very much and want so much for you to be happy. You are an important part of our lives.
Love, d.
Posted by Diana on August 2, 2011 at 11:46 pm | permalink |
Hi Penelope, Just want to say that the whole post sounds like my marriage, which is now an ex-marriage. That's not to say yours will be, but people have their patterns and we keep doing the same thing over and over, in the same way, and yeah, it gets crazy.
Some of the advice sounds good, especially about the timing. Then again, in my marriage, it didn't matter how/when I approached (or how many months/years we spent in marriage counseling, reading books etc). He wasn't able to talk–at all, with anyone, really. I've accepted that now, but I didn't back then because I just didn't understand how that could possibly be. But married people do need to discuss things, and making a marriage work definitely takes some work sometimes.
I wish you the best with this!
Posted by Leah McClellan on August 2, 2011 at 11:54 pm | permalink |
I was curious when you decided to move to the farm. I recall you did it for the kids, yes? And didn't the Farmer first come into your life via your blog?
I've been equally curious about the fact that he now has issues about your openness here. He knew exactly what he was getting into.
You have vast internal struggles but you keep finding strength within to deal with them. You gave yourself some great advice as you usually do.
Let me state clearly that I empathize. It feels overwhelming. And i read all of the linked posts, and the links within those. I think I can share an opinion.
Every person you know, or think you know, or encounter in life has some kind of struggle they are dealing with. The ones who keep quiet about it, either cheerfully or otherwise, have made a firm decision that it will not rule them. They face their duties and carry them out.
I think it's great you are starting a business right now! It's clear you need a place to put your focus and attention. It will ground you.
I agree with the comments that point out timing of "talks". But I wonder if you are feeling so alone because when you moved to the farm, you had the expectation of being cherished and all of the warm, romantic associations if living in the country with this strong man have not materialized. You moved there to be taken care if at a time when you were exhausted and penniless. And instead you have more obligations as a farmer's wife and none of the warmth you hoped for.
Although it's clear you are going to great lengths to be heard your message if need is not getting through. He's not hearing what you say as much as how you are saying it.
It doesn't help that he has a rift with his family now, with you at the center. I can hear his frustration and resentment.
And, of course, the kids are there. Your own pain from childhood was so intense you've blacked-out years of your own life. You know you don't want your kids to have this kind of pain.
Ah, Penelope. I want to give you a large, warm hug and rock you.
I don't have a solution for you, except to say that you need to do two things and they will be hard:
1) get your attention off of yourself and your inner world, when it comes to your daily life. Plain activity will ground you. Do menial tasks and don't think while you do them. Spend enough time outside. Go for walks. And don't think.
2) find a professional to dig unrelentingly into your past and memories so you can heal yourself. You need to especially dig deep into those areas you don't recall or feel bemused over. There's a sleeping volcano in there and a treasure of love waits for you on the other side.
(((( H U G ))))
Posted by Noelle on August 3, 2011 at 12:06 am | permalink |
Noelle, could you please post the name and author of that book here?
Posted by Yvonne on August 3, 2011 at 5:29 am | permalink |
Not sure which book you are talking about, unless you were joking. What I read were all of the other posts linked within this post, and the links within those posts as well.
Penelope, I enjoy your writing very much. Keep swimming!
Posted by Noelle Hughes on August 4, 2011 at 6:13 pm | permalink |
Penelope, I'm emailing you a book that has opened my eyes. I think it might help you.
Posted by Irina I on August 3, 2011 at 1:49 am | permalink |
Hi Penelope,
People rationalize too much. Esp. smart people. Sometimes we don't need to rationalize everything, sometimes all we need is to love and take care of each other as a family.
A career and a family life is not the same. With family you don't need to feel competitive. You just need to be there for each other no matter how bad it looks. You don't have to prove to anybody that you have the greatest husband or child. We need our family to support us and love us no matter how crazy we are.
You are very lucky to have the farmer to have accepted your kids and your insanity hehe. Maybe all you need is to just stay put and be there for one another. You don't have to be happy as in jolly all the time. You can just appreciate each other's company and be grateful that the kids have parents to love them.
Don't worry too much. Your kids are fine and happy. They are not rationalizing you guys. Kids are simple even if they are not dumb. On the other hand, adults like to complicate things and end up fucking up there lives and their family.
Things don't need to be complicated, try it as your everyday mantra.
Rooting for you!
Posted by Wenko on August 3, 2011 at 3:39 am | permalink |
"Things don't need to be complicated.". Love that! Gonna use it.
Posted by angie on August 13, 2011 at 10:11 am | permalink |
Hi Penelope,
People rationalize too much. Esp. smart people. Sometimes we don't need to rationalize everything, sometimes all we need is to love and take care of each other as a family.
A career and a family life is not the same. With family you don't need to feel competitive. You just need to be there for each other no matter how bad it looks. You don't have to prove to anybody that you have the greatest husband or child. We need our family to support us and love us no matter how crazy we are.
You are very lucky to have the farmer to have accepted your kids and your insanity hehe. Maybe all you need is to just stay put and be there for one another. You don't have to be happy as in jolly all the time. You can just appreciate each other's company and be grateful that the kids have parents to love them.
Don't worry too much. Your kids are fine and happy. They are not rationalizing you guys. Kids are simple even if they are not dumb. On the other hand, adults like to complicate things and end up fucking up there lives and their family.
Things don't need to be complicated, try it as your everyday mantra. And note to self, not everyone is happy but we can choose not to be miserable and difficult
Rooting for you!
Posted by Wenko on August 3, 2011 at 3:41 am | permalink |
There's a sense of inevitability to your post.
Posted by Eric Wentworth on August 3, 2011 at 3:47 am | permalink |
I think the reason that you don't believe in the strength of family is because your own one let you down so badly. And when your family lets you down, the scars last a lifetime. Careers are not the same, because they're about you and it's easier to have faith in yourself than it is to have faith in other people. Especially when other people have already let you down.
Posted by Sarah on August 3, 2011 at 5:51 am | permalink |
Yeah. I think that's true. I was going to email you privately to tell you I think it's true. Sometimes, truth is so hard to hear that I can't even acknowledge it in the comments section. Most of the comments here are true, though. And many people have emailed me to say "wow, you're so lucky to have so many people giving you good advice."
I wonder what people do to get faith in other people…
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on August 3, 2011 at 7:03 am | permalink |
maybe stop doubting them?… and try to begin appreciating more their presence in your life.
currently struggling with this myself…
Posted by smile on August 3, 2011 at 9:35 am | permalink |
Penelope, it's true that if you had an insecure childhood where people let you down, you'll have trouble as a grownup trusting others. But it can be done. To get faith in other people, you must give up trying.
Surrender.
And I promise you, you'll be filled with a peace and security and a connection to everything else that completely eclipses our petty notion of trust, which we so want to exist between our frail, broken selves.
THIS connection, this peace, comes from a greater trust–a trust that what is already in you is magnificent and glorious and whole and perfect already.
The truth and irony of life is that by letting go, bending, and giving in we become stronger–more free–than we ever could have imagined.
Love hums along those open lines well. You'll see a huge improvement in your relationships with other people.
So have faith in *yourself.* Let go of what you think you need from everyone else. Just be. And let that complete, whole person that is already in you shine.
God bless you, Penelope.
XOXO
Posted by Kiki on August 3, 2011 at 1:02 pm | permalink |
How to have faith in others, my opinion:
Empathy. You have faith in yourself. Other people on some level are just like you. You might say you can't relate to others, and that their motivations completely evade you, but it only takes a little creativity to see how people always use the resources they have to make what they think are the best choices they can. Everyone doesn't always have the same resources or the same thought processes, and sometimes they get it really wrong, but everyone starts out the same and on some level we share the same pain and the same drives. On some level we behave rationally. If you have faith in yourself on any level, you know what is possible for every person.
Also: I feel like that feeling terrible is pretty normal, it is one of the things that make people keep going. But that doesn't mean that things really are terrible. Throughout history things have always been just in general much more terrible than they are now. But for the people that lived through it, that level of terrible was just average; you adapt to what you've got, and there is always something new (or the same old things) to feel terrible about. But emotions manipulate us. It's like being in the matrix. So make sure to reality check in order to clearly identify problems and solutions before assuming a cause and effect relationship between them and your emotions. I like to practically prepare a power-point on my personal problems and how I propose to solve them before I even approach other people that are involved. I know this is kind of neurotic, but I feel like it helps me filter my personal crazy and keep it away from the people I care about. Problem solving Laura is all business.
Posted by Laura on August 3, 2011 at 8:53 pm | permalink |
If you figure out how to develop faith in people (especially men), let me know. From what I've read on the blog, my own family of origin let me down not nearly as much as yours did. In my limited experience, *time* with someone does develop faith. Each time we get the flu and that someone shows up…each time we have a death in the family and the person shows up. Etc. YEARS, I am talking, not months. I don't know how long you were married to your boys' dad, but you seem to have developed faith in him as a good dad in his own way, yes? At least enough faith to be civil with him, which is a HIGE accomplishment.
Posted by brooklynchick on August 5, 2011 at 9:16 am | permalink |
I agree that coming from an abusive and/or dysfunctional home does not make it easy to have faith in other people. However, look at the evidence around you. Despite your family of origin, you have a wonderful supportive group of people around – your ex, your work partners and mentors, your husband (I remember the pig post too among others), your new neighbors (with whom you watched the Royal Wedding, your friend the hairstylist, all your loyal readers and cheerleaders. Doesn't this massive evidence have even a little power to dent the lack of faith that your parents/family of origin engendered in you? Look for evidence, positive proof that can help build your faith in people. You don't have to look far. We are all around you. And you know what, you built this social support system yourself. That can help you strengthen faith in yourself too. Career, family, farm, school, people are people, honey. And you have the ability to build and sustain strong, loyal, and sustainable relationships. Do not ever forget that! Take care, Penelope.
Posted by Latha on August 5, 2011 at 9:27 am | permalink |
In response to the people who pointed out that you don't have issues trusting people like Melissa, they're dead right. And I think that's because she's not family. I think with your background it's easy to trust outsiders, if only gradually (I'm thinking here about the teacher who made you call the police).
I don't know how to learn to have faith in people, but I'm pretty sure that at some point it involves practicing, so maybe you could try to fake it. Maybe it's like confidence: if you fake it, you will eventually develop it. Perhaps what you should focus on is the behaviours that come from trusting someone. But like I said, I really don't know what I'm talking about here.
And for the record, emails are always welcome.
Posted by Sarah on August 5, 2011 at 12:51 pm | permalink |
I have a quirky life where trust has been just the hugest issue ever in many many ways.
What I've learned is this:
- learn to sit in the space just before giving your trust – where you are not withholding it, but you are watching and listening – rather than bouncing from "trust/no trust."
- most people are worthy of some degree of trust
- ultimately, if someone is not trustworthy, I can handle the fallout…so knowing that, I can choose to trust and just deal if I'm wrong. It's okay to be wrong. It doesn't make me a terrible human being.
Posted by Shandra on August 11, 2011 at 11:36 am | permalink |
Melissa being there was taking your attention away from other things that were bothering you. Now they are coming back, no big insight there.
Men are problem silvers, does the farmer feel worse after your talks? Is that why he's avoiding the talks? Frame your discussions in a way that doesn't make him the problem, acknowledge that you're not asking him to fix something you want him to understand how you feel.
He can't fix your insecurities but you can blame him for making them worse, even if you aren't saying so. Don't blame him.
You are a very bright attractive woman, write that down and repeat it to yourself everyday.
Posted by Carl on August 3, 2011 at 5:59 am | permalink |
You like to talk. The farmer doesn't like to talk much. Most of the time this works because he can listen for a little bit of time.
Because you like to talk, you would like someone to listen more than the farmer can. I think Melissa was doing that. But now that she is gone, you don't have an extra listener so you seek out the farmer when he is busy. This is not good for the relationship.
Posted by S. Miller on August 3, 2011 at 6:04 am | permalink |
I just read your mail bag section and the one about your child hood. You've put slot of energy into putting your life together, be proud of that, be proud of your kids and being a good mom.
My first wife was abused by her dad, it came out in her mid 30's and 40's, unfortunately she let alcohol be the medication for many years, they both took a toll on us and our kids.
Has the farmer ever talked to a therapist who has worked with women that were abused as kids?
Is he willing to do this? Just wondering.
My perspective on your writing just took a shift. Keep up the writing, tell the farmer you love him. Appreciate that he has taken you and the kids into his life. Take a deep breath and appreciate being alive, having food on the table and a great place to live.
Posted by Carl on August 3, 2011 at 6:27 am | permalink |
I agree with Elizabeth and others. Consider a new approach to the field approach. Arrive with a cool drink and mention you are sad and would sure like to talk later. Leave it at that. He will worry, try to go over things in his head and spend time thinking as he works. He will become bothered enough that when the hay or the day is done he will be ready. If I were him I would come in cool off and clean up and then take you by the hand and say let's talk. With training he will learn to do this. Then make sure he is comfortable to lower tension. I liked laying down with my head in her lap looking up. Then talk away. He might fall asleep if the talking goes for hours but that is okay. Find a way to talk. In the meantime try to enjoy what appears to be a great life for you and the boys. Reread the 4H post on selling the hog. Let the clouds clear and enjoy a long beautiful sunset. I sure hope happiness finds you soon, wraps you up and doesn't let go.
Posted by Don B. on August 3, 2011 at 6:38 am | permalink |
Not that I'm an expert in relationships, but maybe you need to think of communicating with your husband as a "skill you need to learn" rather than "something you are bad at"
Like all the effort you put into becoming a better communicator in the work place…remember hiring people to refine your image, your handshake, and your walk? You need to put exactly that much effort into your relationship. Then you will be good at talking.
Good relationships are HARD WORK not because all relationships are difficult, but because you work hard to make them better every day.
Posted by Twister on August 3, 2011 at 7:03 am | permalink |
First, thank you so much for your honesty. It is such a gift to all of us.
I think you and the Farmer are really good together. I think you love each other. I think the core of your problems — whether they are personal or professional — are about fear.
What you are afraid of professionally is easy to understand and easy to articulate. ie not getting a job, not being able to make enough money.
But what you fear personally, that's not as easy for you to understand. Are you afraid you are not good enough for the farmer? Are you afraid of the day he will no longer be in your life?? Maybe you fear boredom?
If you didn't act the way you now act, then what are you afraid will happen?
I don't know the answer — I have no idea. But if you could figure out what it is that you are afraid of…that would be a giant step towards changing everything else about your relationship.
Been there.
Amy Parmenter
The ParmFarm
Posted by Amy Parmenter on August 3, 2011 at 8:13 am | permalink |
Penelope this post made me laugh out loud and at the same time, I really am so proud of you that you just keep trying to communicate.
When you stop going out onto that field and throwing yourself in front of a tractor to talk that will really be the bad moment for the relationship. You keep showing up, I like that about you.
Posted by Caitlin McCabe on August 3, 2011 at 9:21 am | permalink |
But is there really a larger problem? Or is there just an insecurity? If he can't feel something, it doesn't exist for him. No use in talking about something that doesn't exist, he'd say. But it exists in your head. And couples that fight these ghosts together, become stronger.
I hope you will find a way to start a talk without the 'guilt part' in it. And I really hope he'll find the will to listen and try to understand.
Posted by smile on August 3, 2011 at 9:25 am | permalink |
You and I have much in common: age, number of kids, Asperger Syndrome, relationship difficulties etc etc.
And yet even I can see that the farmer and you are acting like children. Your pain is evident: he's not listening to you and doesn't want to listen to you, and seems to only want to engage with you on his terms. It's like a power struggle. It's crazy – and immature!
I don't know if you are wrong together, but I do know you are BEING wrong together. He's being obnoxious as hell but you are doing something I do when faced with a confrontation: become childlike. "It is very hard for me to keep from falling off." That is one of the most childlike statements I've heard from you – I'm not saying childish, note.
I cannot believe no one is outraged that a husband effectively nearly ran his wife down with a tractor – that's so outrageous, it's abuse. Yes, you were silly to get in front of it but I would imagine you didn't think he'd do what he did. I've literally thought of almost nothing non-stop since I read that. What if you HAD slipped off?! He's a farmer, he knows all about farm accidents.
That said, let the man work – if he had a nine to five, you wouldn't interrupt his day to talk about personal matters, would you?
You two … you worry me.
Posted by secretaspie on August 3, 2011 at 11:10 am | permalink |
This situation worries me enough that I am writing to you for the first time after reading your blog for over 6 months. My marriage has been through hell the last three years, and I think about leaving every day. I don't, though, because it definitely would not be the best thing for my two children. I absolutely can't leave him knowing that AND knowing that he is a good man (with many faults). It sounds like your situation is similar – your children are thriving and the farmer is a good man, but the situation is faulty. Find a way to survive. Dive into work and find some friends to distract you. It has to be hard where you live to find people you have anything in common with – but try. When you get down, think about your children.
Posted by Swanwick on August 3, 2011 at 11:12 am | permalink |
maybe the farmer just can't deal with the drama of intense talks in the middle of the workday? Do these talks ever resolve much or are the just like the same thing over and over and over again and he is trying to avoid the pain of another talk with incredible emotional intensity?
Posted by redrock on August 3, 2011 at 11:15 am | permalink |
You have Aspergers. I am schizotypal. I understand your struggle. And I am unemployed too. Regular people will never understand why you have to act this way. But it is because you act this way that you can, at least, enjoy of what this blog brings to your life.
Posted by Anhelo on August 3, 2011 at 11:24 am | permalink |
Hi Penelope – what you do reminds me of something I do: when I get upset I need to feel my partner provides emotional support – not by solving my problems but just by saying, "don't worry it'll be okay." So sometimes, if I don't get I will push his buttons (sort of like it seems you do to the farmer). It's a way to get a reaction out of him, no matter what the cost…because you feel like you are drowning and rather than helping he is staring with indifference (you think). Meanwhile: in reality, many men have a communications style that drives them to NEED to solve problems in conversations. When they feel they can't, they feel frustrated.. maybe even useless. Have you ever just told him: look, when I'm upset I know it may not make sense to you but I need you to listen and do THIS (for me it's a hug, for you – whatever works best).
Posted by Kat on August 3, 2011 at 11:44 am | permalink |
*le sigh* My post was supposed posted as a general response to you, P, not to whomever I ended up replying to.
ADD is at it again.
Posted by Jani on August 3, 2011 at 11:58 am | permalink |
Penelope
I think you may be wrong – about the skills not being transferable. I'm starting to think they are. As someone having relationship problems myself, I'm only just scratching the surface on these ideas. I don't have anything deeper than that – just a gut feeling that I'm on to something.
Good luck – I know how hard it can be…..
Posted by Don C on August 3, 2011 at 12:11 pm | permalink |
I don't know if anyone mentioned already, but have you ever thought about trying some marital counseling? Sounds like finding a time/way to communicate has been difficult, and sometimes an outside eye can make a huge difference. Just saying.
Posted by Noel on August 3, 2011 at 12:43 pm | permalink |
I am so sorry to see you are feeling this way, and I know how it feels. But please try to step back for a moment and give yourself the advice you would give someone else in your position. Stop the crazy-making behaviour with the farmer, let him to his work â men need their tasks and to work out things when they are doing them. You are drowning and pulling him under with you, and he's going to fight it. And this dynamic will not support either of you.
You grew up in a crazy family and lived in frenetic NYC, and there are a lot of distractions there to keep you from being with yourself. Now you have a loving family that you have created in a quiet place, and I think you need more stimulation. When you are looking for new opportunities and work, make sure you find something that allows you to spend one week a month in NYC, Chicago, or some other big city. (Workshop tour? Seminars for starting businesses? Speaking at bookshops?) It will give you that balance of stimulation and the appreciation of the farm. One of your friends can watch the kids, and you can barter something fabulous from your experience that they need.
It is unrealistic to expect that you will get everything you need from living on a farm, regardless of how much you love you share with the farmer and your kids. You've already decorated and gardened and goated, and you are going to go nuts thinking about organizing the barn. Go and find the next thing. Your reserach leads you to some interesting places, look there.
Posted by kareneck on August 3, 2011 at 12:46 pm | permalink |
There was a time where I was also hunting for a job and it was really depressing because there was intense competition. I have to respectfully disagree about not eating making you happier. I'm an emotional eater; eating makes me happy. I connect more with food than people.
Posted by Galpin Subaru on August 3, 2011 at 12:54 pm | permalink |
Nothing kills a relationship quicker than pouting and not talking… wish the farmer appreciated what a special person you sound like.
Posted by sarah on August 3, 2011 at 1:17 pm | permalink |
I had a feeling this was coming when Melissa left. Your buffer is gone. I think you did the majority of all this talking with Melissa. Now that she is gone, it's the farmer's turn again and he can't handle it. I have no idea whether is appropriate or not that he can't. But I think you need to figure out if all the talking you think you need to do with the farmer is really because you want to talk to him specifically, or do you just want to talk and he's the only grown up around. I hope it gets better.
Posted by Nichole@40daysof on August 3, 2011 at 1:32 pm | permalink |
I like Lisa's idea of inviting more guests to the farm.
Lots of comments here note that men aren't talkers and don't like being interrupted at work. I would add that in my experience men like to solve problems and tend to see feelings themselves as problems. It might be helpful to brainstorm some possible solutions in your own mind before trying to talk to the farmer. If you start a discussion with possible solutions in mind, you won't need to focus so much on feelings because you'll have already made some decisions them, about how you want to cope with them.
Posted by Susan Tiner on August 3, 2011 at 1:35 pm | permalink |
You never cease to amaze me… this is exactly what I am feeling today…
"But I actually feel hopeless. I have that feeling I used to have when I was unemployed. Like I wished the world would end. I think I am not alone â other people have this feeling when they are unemployed. But people do not talk like this when they are unemployed because they'll never get hired."
And your right I can't tell this to any of my friends or family. Its bad enough now every time they see me, I get the same damn question – how's the job hunt going? I'm not going to my nephew's birthday party this Saturday because I'm afraid if someone ask me that again, I'm going to overturn the table with the goddamn birthday and walk out!
I wish they would just wait for me to say something about it. As if I got a job or an interview wouldn't say anything duh? Why not quietly slip me a $10 or a $20 and just tell me to hang in there. Now that would be nice and truly, truly appreciated….
Posted by haitiangurL on August 3, 2011 at 3:01 pm | permalink |
Men hate "talking". Talking things out under stress is a female thing which helps us feel better. Men like doing things and fixing stuff when they are unhappy or stressed. Ask the farmer to help you with something around the house and I am sure he will comply. It might help him with the stress he feels enough to at least listen to you.
Posted by canoe girl on August 3, 2011 at 3:22 pm | permalink |
There are far too many generalizations in the comments. All men are…all farmers are…. It's just a set of people with two very difficult communication styles.
Does failure frighten you? Do you keep thinking about the worst case scenario? You know maybe you don't have to feel so fatalistic about the whole thing.
In my attempt to make you feel better I'm gonna say the farmer is an emotionally unavailable prick. What's his excuse? His family let him down only recently.
Posted by Sadya on August 3, 2011 at 3:37 pm | permalink |
I think if you were giving yourself advice you'd tell yourself to not look for "the perfect fix."
Meaning, when I'm down I let myself wallow for a bit then I get so tired of myself that I have no choice but to fix it. But, when I try to fix something when I haven't embraced my miserableness, I've found that it doesn't get fixed any faster. I'd embrace your feeling of hopelessness instead of trying to search for a specific solution…don't fight it and don't beat yourself up, you'll turn it around eventually, it will come to you. You know you will.
Posted by Kathryn C on August 3, 2011 at 3:50 pm | permalink |
Your husband almost ran over you with a tractor. Any other details are irrelevant. Deal breaker.
Posted by satchmo on August 3, 2011 at 4:08 pm | permalink |
Have you considered doing those things that parents do with kids for interruptions….
Perhaps you and the Farmer could trade beans/painted rocks/whatever for time talking. Then you both know that your time has to really count. You get 3 beans a day; each bean represents one 10min conversation. He gets 3 beans a day for a free 1 hour delay.
You know that you will get to talk to him and he can't just fob you off forever. He knows that he can delay conversations, but not indefinitely, but enough to clear the field or get the pigs fed without interruption.
He knows that you won't do this to him 18 times that day, so if you want to use a bean at 8am, he isn't already thinking that this will be conversation 1 of 100 and totally shut down.
Make your time/beans count. Then when you are feeling crazy, and you want to jump in front of the tractor, and use a bean, he will know it's actually important.
Posted by tcd on August 3, 2011 at 4:51 pm | permalink |
All I see in this post is two people trying to control each other and both failing. It's not going to happen which is why you married him, and he you probably. I think (stab in the dark) that you ramp up the crazy to force him to concede, but if he did you'd be a little bit disappointed.
There's a reason he doesn't want to talk to you, and there's a good chance it's not all about you – although some probably is. Do you attack him every time? Or make him feel hopeless, or worthless? Or just go to places he doesn't want to because you do? Or is he just annoyed you're showing no respect for his work? All these are guesses, but a good reason I wouldn't want to talk to someone.
If you keep trying to control and battle and go crazy with each other you'll eventually implode. He won't change, neither will you. You have to find a way to make the people you are go together. Counselling's a really good idea, if you both want it.
Posted by Sarah on August 3, 2011 at 5:28 pm | permalink |
I think you should trust your gut instinct and get out of the relationship with the farmer. We usually deny our gut instinct once, twice, and then continually everyday, but it never goes away.
Posted by CT on August 3, 2011 at 5:59 pm | permalink |
"But I am only that way about my career. I wish the skills were transferable, but I don't think they are." It could be if we didn't invest so much emotion into our relationships. Maybe, I'm too much like the Farmer.
Posted by Jason on August 3, 2011 at 6:06 pm | permalink |
i'm sorry you are going through a hard time. i'm not clear on the problem between you and the farmer, but it's obvious you've gone through a lot of trauma recently. changes in your work life, changes/trouble in his relationship (personal and working) with his family. and now melissa's gone and you've lost your buffer and your right-hand man.
i strongly identify with your need to fix things and know what's going to happen and get there *now*, but i also know it's not always (usually, even) the best approach. you want to speed up the transition of him working with his family to some new thing and you want to speed up your transition into your new work/possibly-homeschooling life. but if you took your foot off the gas it might help. i say this as someone who always wants to press the gas to the floor, so take it with a grain of salt.
good luck. xo
Posted by Lori on August 3, 2011 at 6:11 pm | permalink |
oh, honey….
Posted by Alan on August 3, 2011 at 6:15 pm | permalink |
re: "I wonder what people do to get faith in other peopleâ¦"
For me to have faith in someone, I've learned that I need to know that they've got my back, no matter what. That they'll look out for my interests as much as, or more than, their own.
I've had a handful of close friends & a couple of romantic relationships through the years that fit that description. That said, those relationships all ran their course over time and didnt last.
So, in the end, I need to find a way to continue to have faith in myself. It gets lonely & tiring sometimes, but what's the alternative ?
Posted by lb on August 3, 2011 at 6:39 pm | permalink |
I've read about the farmer from your first mention of him, and have worried about you ever since. It's like watching a slow motion car crash. I know you really want this to work out, but this just isn't what a healthy, happy relationship looks like. You keep persevering, and working at it, and when all else fails, smashing lamps and throwing yourself in front of moving vehicles – but you shouldn't have to do any of these things. I mean it: relationships shouldn't be this hard. But I don't know what it will take for you to realise this, and I worry you never will realise it. I feel a lot of sadness and empathy for you.
p.s. I know a man who accidentally killed his nephew with a tractor, and his life has never been the same. You shouldn't be endangering yourself – and the farmer – just to attempt communication.
Posted by hsg on August 3, 2011 at 7:05 pm | permalink |
I've read about the farmer from your first mention of him, and have worried about you ever since. It's like watching a slow motion car crash. I know you really want this to work out, but this just isn't what a healthy, happy relationship looks like. You keep persevering, and working at it, and when all else fails, smashing lamps and throwing yourself in front of moving vehicles – but you shouldn't have to do any of these things. I mean it: relationships shouldn't be this hard. But I don't know what it will take for you to realise this, and I worry you never will realise it. I feel a lot of sadness and empathy for you.
Posted by hsg on August 3, 2011 at 7:08 pm | permalink |
Are you familiar with Assume Love? I stumbled on it one day and I think the kernel of advice at the center of the blog is a good one: in marriage you deserve to give and receive love; everything else is icing.
http://www.assumelove.com/
Posted by Erin McJ on August 3, 2011 at 7:44 pm | permalink |
Be proud of what you accomplished with your work and children. Do things to keep yourself happy and strong.
Posted by michele on August 3, 2011 at 8:53 pm | permalink |
Please take a look at the Landmark Forum (Nathalie Lozano, Bogota, Colombia)
Posted by Nathalie on August 3, 2011 at 9:23 pm | permalink |
A city girl who is used to so much cannot move to the country and live in relative isolation Unfortunately, the farmer cannot solve your problem and he doesn't want to talk about whats bothering you. He can't help you. You were so independent and now you want homey security. Whats the happy medium?
Posted by c on August 3, 2011 at 9:32 pm | permalink |
So I haven't read all the comments yet, so someone else may have already said this, but…
Why would you want to be with someone who's willing to drive a tractor into you to shut you up?
Posted by Jody on August 3, 2011 at 9:55 pm | permalink |
@ Jody – Penelope is a writer. Writers embellish stuff all the time. Who knows what really happened? Engaging read, though.
Posted by Rose on August 4, 2011 at 9:48 am | permalink |
Nice post you got here Penelope. Job hunting. Have tried or still stuck. Poor me.
Posted by Judy Luga on August 4, 2011 at 1:28 am | permalink |
When you grow up in a tumultous life as a child, it leads to all sorts of weird and destructive behavior as an adult. We feel safe by creating drama in our lives,… when there is no drama. We seek out someone stable and strong to feel secure because we were not safe as children, and then create havoc in that relationship to feel the comfort of something we know and remember.
Your advice is great…when you feel all hope is lost, go for a run, go to the gym, call a friend to vent, go to Madison, help the farmer out with the farming, divert yourself long enough to put whatever is happening into a realistic perspective. Interval training is an AMAZING mood elevator.
Remind yourself, that given your upbringing and bad childhood you are prone to destructive behavior and creating drama in your life. If you keep this in the forefront of your mind, it will help you to prevent behavior that hurts your children and your marriage, such as running in front of a tractor, running away, and breaking a vase and cutting yourself. It also helps your children to not seek out the same destructive pattern when they are adults. I tell myself this everytime I feel I am losing it…
I have a stable partner who is loving to me and my child and I also had a destructive childhood. I give you this advice because I know the feeling of feeling unsettled when everything in your family life is running smoothly, but inside something is missing. Where is the roller coaster of life????
Reach out to the farmer with love, compassion, and empathy…fake it if you have to, …favorite meal after a long hard day of work, run a bath and massage his aching hands, bring him lemonade, love and appreciate and cherish him….the intimacy and openess you seek will follow.
The best way to fix your relationship with the farmer is to fix yourself…it is all we can control in the end anyways. Your tractor fiasco is living proof we cannot control others or situations.
Posted by Yas on August 4, 2011 at 4:48 am | permalink |
Yas – Excellent advice.
Penelope – please be careful. Don't jump on tractors. Be safe. I understand, your frustration makes you totally out of control… you need to think hard about what triggers those "out of control" feelings… then PRACTICE and mentally rehearse WHAT YOU WILL DO instead of the self-destructive or dangerous stuff when you feel that way.
But you MUST mentally rehearse it many, many times, every day, when you are feeling calm. And even physically PRACTICE it… imagine feeling that way, imagine the rage and fear and all the other triggers… then physically turn yourself away from the source and walk outside to a quiet place, or to your room to a comfortable chair. Then practice the quieting, calming thoughts you must have, the kind things you will tell yourself.
Posted by Someone on August 5, 2011 at 11:24 am | permalink |
I absolutely love this advice, it's so true.
Also, drama is addictive. It can be hard to give up the dramatic/drama-creating behaviour if that's all you've ever known. A calm, well-ordered life can seem dull. I remember thinking when I read the on-the-run-from-the-police post that there was no need for it, only that Penelope is addicted to the drama. It's fun for us to read, but probably hard to live with.
Posted by Sarah on August 12, 2011 at 1:57 pm | permalink |
Interrupting a farmer to talk, while he or she is working, is not a good idea. The problem is, especially at this time of year, farmers are always working. Coming from a farming family, acceptable work interruptions are emergencies and food. Good luck finding the right time. I am sure he is exhausted in the evening and has a hard time engaging then, too.
Posted by Christine Baese on August 4, 2011 at 6:19 am | permalink |
Hope TV producers are reading, because you need a reality show asap. You, the farmer and the kids are extremely photogenic; a bucolic environment; pets; city guests…that baby would have it all.
You need an audience to feel alive, and you can monetize your drama-you need the income, after all.
Did Melissa make any progress with this project?
Posted by Will Watch on August 4, 2011 at 6:51 am | permalink |
Love your writing; and hang in there.
FWIW – that hat looks great on you!
Posted by Yvette on August 4, 2011 at 1:18 pm | permalink |
Remember, marriages are not made in heaven – they come in kit formats and you have to put them together here on earth.
I am one of those imperfect humans who has adjusted to my mate of 35 years. She has a laughable bumper sticker on her sports car… "I am the Luckiest Woman in the World! and in small print below it says "I Found a MAN I Could Train."
I laugh at it just as hard as anyone because to a degree it is true, change and accommodation is an expression of love.
Your fans and admirers love you and want the BEST for you and the Farmer.
Posted by Woody on August 4, 2011 at 1:29 pm | permalink |
Hi, Penelope. Your writing has been great lately. I don't want you to feel hopeless – relationship skills CAN be learned! That was one of my big takeaways after reading Elizabeth Gilbert's book "Committed." I mean, if we are not born with career skills and are not taught them at home or in school and are instead left to figure them out on our own, then doesn't it stand to reason that relationship skills are the same way? You guys love each other, but, unfortunately, you both come from dysfuntional families and it seems like you have developed the exact opposite skills to cope with it (i.e. lamp breaking and shutting down). I think you should dedicate some of the time and effort that you put into learning how to be successful in a career to how to be successful in a relationship, realizing that you still have enormous room to grow and change in your life.
Posted by Kristen on August 4, 2011 at 1:38 pm | permalink |
Penelope I think you should make a list of the things that you think the farmer loves (or likes) about you. Then you should focus on doing those things more. He needs you to bring something to the table..of course he's not going to want to just stand there and talk to you, especially if you're just going to complain about him or yell at him. Obviously, I have no idea what it is you bring to the relationship but since you probably do, you should make a real effort to do those things more. If you're being the woman he loves, he will naturally be more drawn to you. If you're doing things he hates (like making him talk when he doesn't want to), then of course things won't improve.
Posted by Trisha on August 4, 2011 at 2:12 pm | permalink |
Where do you go to the gym? It seems like there would not be a lot of workout places in Darlington, WI. I don't recall seeing any fitness equipment in the pictures of your farmhouse.
Posted by Matthew on August 4, 2011 at 4:14 pm | permalink |
This isn't a blog…its a soap opera. Get me off this thing!
Posted by Sarah on August 4, 2011 at 4:39 pm | permalink |
is it possible that you are making this story up,in order to get more comments ???
just asking!!
Posted by Dimi on August 4, 2011 at 4:46 pm | permalink |
Penelope, this reminds me of when you slept on the couch on the porch, when it was really cold. You have a tendency to try to prove "Look how much I'm hurting! Things are so bad that I'd rather be out in the cold than in the bedroom!"
This time it's: "I'm hurting so much, things are so bad that I don't care about jumping in front of the tractor!" The problem with this is that dramatic attempts to solicit emotion can have the opposite effect with a partner, especially when they've seen it more than once. You're adding a lot of anguish to his life. Is that really fair?
You have to stop doing this. Right now you're still in a relationship because the farmer loves you enough to withstand this kind of behavior. If he didn't love you, one instance of this would be enough for him to break up with you. One day the farmer will stop loving you enough to put up with this kind of behavior. Once that happens it'll be a rollercoaster downhill. You won't be able to change his mind. You won't be able to get him back. It'll be done. I would predict that at that point you'll be begging him to change his mind – and he probably won't.
Posted by N.E. on August 4, 2011 at 4:54 pm | permalink |
Here's the difference between marriage and career: you can totally start looking for another job while working on your current one, so that in the event you find a better one you leave, or else you stay at your current job.
But you can't go out and look for a potentially better husband while married to the current one, that would be immoral. If you could without breaking some sort of moral code (or your conscience), you probably would. I believe that's why people stay in bad marriages, because they can't be sure there is a better one out there, and that's really because there's no way to find out before hand.
Posted by Yuan on August 4, 2011 at 7:59 pm | permalink |
Sorry to hear you are feeling this way. I think it's great you are being this honest with us and yourself. Not to provide a$$vice, but I think you are realizing that you really want to grow in the way you work with your family and not just with work. I highly recommend working on your communication with the Farmer. I've been very happily married for almost 17 years and we've had our ups and downs. The first 2-3 years were rough, but we worked hard on communication during those years. And it wasn't always talking, we had to learn to time when would would bring up sensitive topics and when it was nice to have comfortable silence. I'm a talker too, so that was hard for me. My DH is a quiet guy. I've had to learn to bide my time sometimes to when he feels comfortable telling me something. It doesn't mean I'm not still annoyed inside when I can tell he doesn't want to discuss something that's bothering him. But we've learned our communication styles and it really helps.
Posted by Heather on August 4, 2011 at 8:49 pm | permalink |
you are so refreshingly honest. we all have these conflicts inside, but fear to mention to others. you just put it all out, and you do it extremely well.
maybe if you left him a note telling him that you are having a breakdown and ask when you two could talk, he'll make himself available. make an appointment. farmers always have too much to do during the day. you might suggest talking after the sun goes down or in bed.
Posted by linda Clark on August 4, 2011 at 9:26 pm | permalink |
Just chiming in again. Penelope, your blog is most definitely inspired. I feel spiritually uplifted when I read it. I think that you were sent here to share your pain because other people can empathize with you, each other, and get the strength to rise above.
At the same time, you can't keep using your marriage as fodder for the blog and expect it to be good. Remember that great entertainment is only great because of high conflict. So the more you turn your intimacy into a story for the world, the less able you will be to be intimate.
You have shared that you were a victim of severe and ongoing child abuse. Maybe you fear intimacy. Maybe you think you are bad, and don't deserve it, after what was done to you (common victim problem). So you hide behind the excuse that the blog has to be about your marriage in order to work.
But I think you are stronger than you give yourself credit for. You can find something else to write about so that you can keep your marriage – which is good for you – secure and safe.
In the end the relationship is between you and the Farmer. Only the two of you know for sure what to do. And your bond is more important than the rest of us watching you.
We will still be here when you're writing about homeschooling. Or goat cheese. Whatever. But will he be able to take it if you keep on putting his personal life on the front pages?
Think about it.
Posted by Dannielle on August 4, 2011 at 9:55 pm | permalink |
http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2008/06/03/new-way-to-measure-blog-roi/
Remember your first time meeting the farmer and what was special about it.
Posted by Jenn on August 4, 2011 at 10:25 pm | permalink |
ok, look hon. You're fine, you've always been fine, and you will continue to be fine. But. It's clear from your blog that you have sometimes made decisions out of pocket. Out of your pocket. Somewhat capricious, hopeful, decisions. That means that the results come back to you the same way, capricious and hopeful. Ride with it, whatever way it plays.
But our decisions come from within us, so know where it's coming from.
Posted by BC on August 4, 2011 at 11:51 pm | permalink |
So don't do the new company right now. Walk away from it and work on being the best wife (and mom) you are able to be.
You already know you can do start-up companies. You're not really growing as a person by doing another, and, you know you'll be sick of it after just a short while anyway …
Your kids need you, and they need the farmer, too. (It seems like a really cool place to be a little boy at…)
It's not exciting, it's not easy, it's way more complicated than any work relationship, and it's way more important …
When one conversation, or lack thereof, can hurt way more than any major career pit-fall … that tells you how much more important this is.
(I feel the same way, all the time. Just this last few months, I've chosen the family thing, and I've never cried so much, or felt so happy, in my life. It sucks, and it's great all at the same time, sometimes in the same day … but I'm not running away from it anymore …)
Good luck, Penelope. Thanks for writing.
Posted by Amy on August 5, 2011 at 12:24 am | permalink |
I jumped the tractor for ten years until my daughter became a teen. So being a first time parent, I went to a counselor who has taught me how to be a little more effective in conversations with a teen. (Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying your husband is acting like a teen.)
The counselor (behavioral) recommended a book that I use when I want to jump on the trailer – Crucial Conversations: Tools for Talking When Stakes Are High by Patterson, Kerry and others. Lots of good ideas!
Posted by dl on August 5, 2011 at 7:43 am | permalink |
I'm sorry you're having a hard time. But since everything changes, including bad feelings, even if you do nothing but feel the bad feelings until they go away. I hope they go away quickly. xo
Posted by Shanon on August 5, 2011 at 7:45 am | permalink |
For me, relationship "issues" have always been harder to manage and engage in than any job stuff. I am sorry it's difficult right now though. I agree with people who said approach him when he's not working.
One thing that popped into my head was something I read years ago when my godson was still a toddler. It was from a book called Real Boys and it's the only thing I remember from it. The crux of it was that males show they care by doing and females by communicating (verbally). I know that's not a hard and fast rule and of course both do the other. I don't remember if the author suggested it was something innate or cultural for guys, but it always stuck with me.
Perhaps try reflecting on what he does (to show he cares) and at some point he might look at your attempt to talk to him as your attempt to show you care–it might give a little more breathing space. I don't know. Just a though.
Posted by Sandra on August 5, 2011 at 9:12 am | permalink |
First, very sorry you are struggling. Second, thanks as ever for your honesty. The comments have included some great ideas (IMHO): trying different communication methods, counseling, medication, more friends and guests to meet your needs. All of these seem worth trying to me (altho I don't live on the farm, so what do I know?).
I also think the thread that "marriage is a lot of work" is valuable. I'm not married but every couple I know (except the Stepford Fake-Oh's) say this.
YET, not everyone is meant to be married. I don't know anything about Aspergers….a few have said you like to "stir up your life" or you like being discontented, etc. That may not be true, but that doesn't mean a long-term, live-in relationship is what's best for you (what's best for your kids only you can say). My mother has been divorced twice and now has a….boyfriend? (they are over 60) that lives in another state. They talk on the phone, e-mail, and take weekend and week-long trips together anywhere between once a month and once a quarter. True, her kid is grown (ish), but in any event this kind of relationship is best for her. She has ADD, hates emotional demands, she likes risk, she likes change (and she LOVES to complain) and she likes to live alone (and have everything HER WAY in her place). This way she gets all these things but also feels loved and has sex. Food for thought.
Posted by brooklynchick on August 5, 2011 at 9:29 am | permalink |
It is surprising what a single photo can say and it be completely untrue or far from the truth. I suppose its like hiding behind a mask because for some people the risk might be to great to face and tackle especially if it does go horribly wrong. I think the majority of people who have posted agree that there is definitely a communication error…. I still cannot believe someone would continue to drive a tractor with a person hanging on for their dear life, that incident explains it all. Change scares most people, changes is not determined and it is not fixed, being in routine for most of us makes us feel safe, however for the majority unhappy.
Posted by Diane Shepard on August 5, 2011 at 9:40 am | permalink |
To many comments for me to read each one (and hope I don't repeat).
What I will NOT do is give you advice and tell you how to fix these trials. Better yet, I will not tell you that you need to change/add/start medication – because that is a very personal choice that only you can decide if it is right/wrong. And more important – it is non of mine (or anyone for that matter) business.
You are an amazing mother. You have 2 children who adore you more than anything in this world. I know, from experience, that feeling is mutual.
I also know, from experience what the hopeless feelings can be like. The grief of loosing/failing a child whom I loved so dearly, yet couldn't help.
As I read this post, I couldn't help but think it resonated (sp) so much with my own feelings and thoughts from time to time.
Have a Good Weekend Darling!!
And watch this link:
Tap into what Penelope knows to be true. Hug on those boys just one more time and remember that you do this for them…and YOU!!!
During some very dark days of grief and depression after loosing our son…..the only thing that got me up each morning was the freckled face little boy that you know and his goofy big sister.
Check this video out….I BELIEVE you are an amazing womenhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfcKvevod3k I know this video made me cry this week when I saw it. I too, watched it in a rather dark and dreary day!!
Posted by Gala on August 5, 2011 at 11:52 am | permalink |
The link did not work.
If you go to Youtube and search " I believe she's amazing flash mob" Toronto Mall…you will find it.
Posted by Gala on August 5, 2011 at 11:54 am | permalink |
When I am trapped in a job I don't like, I can continue working here while secretly looking for a different job. Once I find a better job, I'll quit the current one.
But if I'm in a less than satisfactory relationship, I can't go look for a better relationship while still committed, that would be called cheating, no?
Posted by Yuan on August 5, 2011 at 6:44 pm | permalink |
Penelope, today my husband and you are from the same mold. Actually, you are on many days.
My husband has everything. A good job. Health. A beautiful house in the country with barns and acreage. A wife that loves him, isn't too shabby looking and is an enthusiastic sex partner even after 25 years. He also has successful children who love and respect him greatly. He has EVERYTHING. And still he's not happy. He still complains. He still obsesses over people who possibly have more than he. He still demands more of me than what I am.
Please give your the Farmer a break. If he's like me, he probably gets tired of never being able to make you happy.
Posted by sophie on August 5, 2011 at 10:07 pm | permalink |
Dear Penelope:
I'm always amazed at how many people reply to give you advice on what to do when you seem lost. They all seem to have just the answer and are quick to tell you what you need to do or how things need to change. Having been in a complicated relationship before, I realize that no one can really know or understand the complexities of your relationship.
I just want to support you as you try to figure it all out. Keep thinking about it, working on it, with or without the Farmer, keep gnawing at it until you finally come to a conclusion that works for you. All the advice is interesting and gives you different perspectives, but I think you probably know already what is right for you. Sometimes it just takes time to own that decision.
Don't stay sad or low for long without some action. It is not good for you and not good for your children. As you say, they are affected by it whether you realize it or not at the time.
I love reading your blog! Thanks for sharing your life with us!
Janis
Posted by Janis Schubert on August 6, 2011 at 12:14 am | permalink |
Ideas for communication:
Talk about the kids and what they need, since they are a common interest.
Find a photo, or a dessert, or an article from the paper, or whatever, and say (in person or in a note), "I thought you might like this". Then, listen. There will be something–eye contact, a smile, a "Thank you". Regard this as a baby step, and
be satisfied with it for a while.
Smile briefly like a Cheshire cat and say nothing.
Talk about the weather! since this is of critical importance in farming. "It's may rain–that will prevent you from haying, won't it."
Say "Shall I send Shepherd out with a sandwich or a lemonade at 10 a.m.?"
Just do logistics for a while: "I'm going to take the boys for school supplies and new shoes today. I'm leaving at 9 a.m. Is there anything you want from the store?" Be sure and make eye contact and keep your chin up with a confident look or a half-smile.
Pen, we all have everything we need already within us–that is the source of our confidence and our peace. YOU have love in your heart and ideas galore in your head. You have the ability to analyze, to write in a disarmingly forthright manner. The Farmer has the qualities you saw in him when you first got to know him; he has the land and he has his expertise about farming. He has a spirituality. Think about an ideal blending of your qualities and his. Let communication failures go for now. Think of what the boys get when you and the Farmer use what you excel at–together.
For now, it may be a marriage of convenience. So be it. Work on creating the next phase of the partnership. Romantic love may well blossom again, in ways that will surprise you both.
Posted by chris Keller on August 6, 2011 at 9:30 am | permalink |
I don't think it is fair to try to talk to the farmer while he is working. Just because he isn't a CEO in an office doesn't mean that he isn't busy. I feel you are not being respectful of his time and business. Imagine if you were in the middle of your workday at a busy office, you have your day planned out and a certain amount of time to get important tasks done. Now imagine your spouse chooses this moment to show up at your office to discuss your relationship and how unhappy they are, or how you aren't meeting their needs, they don't feel the marriage is working out, etc. When you realized this conversation couldn't be resolved in 10 minutes and could potentially take hours, what would you do? The majority of people would say I don't have time for this right now or I can't do this right now and walk away.
You take the farmer's being busy as a sign that he doesn't love you or care enough. Maybe you feel like he isn't taking your needs seriously or you aren't his top priority? You need to figure out a way to get your needs met when it isn't in the middle of his work day.
I wonder if he also has the feeling of no matter what he says or does, no matter how much he says he loves you, that he cannot make you happy. That you are always unhappy and he is always failing you in some way? Think how frustrated you would feel if you were trying, really trying and you often heard that you were doing it wrong.
It takes two. No one is ever all right, nor are they ever completely wrong. I think a big change that you could make is to respect the farmer when he us working. Perhaps take a walk together after dinner to discuss your issues. Good luck!
Posted by hgf on August 6, 2011 at 11:52 am | permalink |
Your life seems so great. I wish I had your life.
Posted by Melbourne20somethinggirl on August 6, 2011 at 8:44 pm | permalink |
I'm sorry you're going through tough times. But I don't think this marriage was meant to be. It seemed like a bit of a lifestyle stunt from the beginning, Green Acres 2011. I don't think the farmer knows what to do with you. I bet he wants out – but he is too nice a guy and doesn't want to leave the farm, and doesn't have an executable exit strategy (because he wouldn't be able to come up with a strategy and execute it – most guys can't). And I'm not sure you're really that happy on the farm, and you always have an exit strategy that you can execute (most women who are economically independent can).
Marriage and kids in the best of circumstances are complicated. I think kids are glue that can help keep a relationship together when the fractures are small and the foundation is strong; I'm not sure that's the case here. I think you were looking to walk into a place with a strong foundation, but a strong foundation is something you must build together. Then you reach a point over many years where marriage is a fusion. Not perfect happiness everyday, in fact, misery at times, because life can be miserable at times and some people can be more miserable than others. But in a healthy (even if sometimes dysfunctional marriage) there's not a realistic chance that you would break it because you have built a life together and it is your combined, intertwined life. Is that the case here, or is it time to cut your losses?
Posted by Allison on August 6, 2011 at 11:59 pm | permalink |
This is not about a farmer's wife finding a more appropriate time to talk to her husband. This is about two people engaging in destructive, potentially deadly behavior. Penelope stood in front of a tractor the farmer was operating. Why??? The farmer kept moving forward, driving the tractor into Penelope. What??? Penelope jumped on top of the tractor. Crazy, but maybe a legitimate attempt to save herself. The farmer, who, based on Penelope's accounts, is capable of great compassion, care, and love, kept. driving. the. tractor. into. Penelope. Game over. He kept driving, and it was very hard for Penelope to keep from falling off. He kept driving??? She was screaming, "stop driving", and he ignored her???
Seriously, all this babble about the appropriate time for Penelope to strike up a conversation with her Farmer is irrelevant to this situation. The Farmer could have killed Penelope. Sometimes people who love each other reach a breaking point, and I believe Penelope and the Farmer have reached that point. We know that Penelope engages in destructive behavior, but did anyone foresee that the Farmer would run a tractor into her? Penelope, I know you have a history of abuse and can have a hard time recognizing when things are really bad. This is really bad, even though the Farmer is a good man. This is unacceptable, and it is time for you to go. If your account is accurate (I know it is possible that you have exaggerated it), you are lucky to be alive or not badly injured. Get some help, please, and go.
I have read your blog for many years, but this is my first post.
Posted by Monique on August 7, 2011 at 6:42 am | permalink |
Maybe Penelope was trying to commit suicide…after all she stepped in front of a moving vehicle! Why is it ok for her to act "crazy" but the farmer always has to be the rational adult who is always in control? Where is her responsibility in all of this?
This is a power struggle, maybe one of epic proportions, but still a power struggle. Neither involved are being respectful of the other, neither is willing to back down. Penelope stepping in front of a the tractor and refusing to move while the farmer drove toward her is just as absurd as the farmer continuing to drive the tractor towards her!
I grew up on a farm and have driven tractors. Obviously the farmer was driving very slowly or it wouldn't have been possible for her jump onto the front of it. She wasn't frightened enough to get out of the way. I suspect if the farmer was really gunning for her that she would have jumped out of the way…and she wouldn't still be there…she would have left and filed a police report! Jumping on the front of the tractor was an act of defiance, of not giving in, not an act of fear.
Posted by hgf on August 7, 2011 at 12:07 pm | permalink |
Oh my goodness, Penelope, I just found your blog quite randomly while doing a Google search. What a gem! Sadly I am now hooked, and can't wait to spend hours pouring over it, following all your wonderful backlinks! And I just joined you on Twitter. I love how you use it as an intersection between your business and personal life – very unique. And as a veterinarian, I am enjoying the farming tales too! Although you're the first person I've come across who's had sex in a pig barn, LOL! What a great blog! Thanks for sharing all your expertise, experiences, and general musings.
Posted by Nicky Parry on August 7, 2011 at 11:15 am | permalink |
I think homeschooling is interesting, but it was never for me. It's good for kids to deal with adults who aren't their parents and to rub shoulders with people who haven't been hand-picked by their parents. You don't need to apologize for sending your kids to school.
Interesting link about "don't eat." Heaven only knows that the kitchen is way too close when you aren't leaving home to go to work every day.
Posted by GingerR on August 7, 2011 at 2:32 pm | permalink |
Be honest with yourself. Talk to a therapist. Move forward in positive ways to support yourself and your kids. You're brilliant and many wonderful things.
Posted by Professionaldawn on August 7, 2011 at 6:57 pm | permalink |
Yes, you are insane. And self-centered. And boring.
Posted by OldRedjoe on August 7, 2011 at 8:01 pm | permalink |
You remind me so much of my mother. She always said I was the best little boy in the world, and that I never gave her any trouble. Know why? I was scared to death of her craziness and the day after I turned 18, I left that house and went to Viet Nam where it was at least emotionally safer. I didn't return for 16 years. Which of your boys will be first? I still, after 66 years, can hardly bear to spend more than 3 or 4 days in her presence. You can still fix it, maybe.
Posted by Adam on August 7, 2011 at 8:01 pm | permalink |
A lot of times people ask me how I can handle nasty comments on my blog. The reason is that the nasty ones are easy to ignore because they are just mean. The ones that hit hard but are true – those are the ones that stay with me for weeks. This comment. I think it's true. I think I have to be more calm with my kids or I'm going to mess them up.
When I think about why I can't have a big career and be a great mom at the same time, the reason is this: I am not able to focus enough on being calm with kids while I"m focused enough on my job to make it huge. I worry about this.
Thank you for the comment.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on August 8, 2011 at 12:30 am | permalink |
That was a brave reply, Penelope. Keep Going!
Posted by Resident on August 8, 2011 at 7:50 am | permalink |
Also, why a 'big' career and a 'great' mom? Why not simply, 'career' and 'mom'?
Who are you really trying to please with these aims to succeed superlatively in all possible fields of life?
Just 'work' and 'be a mom'. That's plenty right there!
Are you worried about disappointing your peers, or your audience here? Don't be.
We have our own problems.
Posted by Resident on August 8, 2011 at 7:55 am | permalink |
First thing that comes to my mind is Prosac. You really need to dial it down. You want to talk in the middle of his work day. He not down with that. Deal with it. Get a life…grow up…things will go better for you.
Posted by linda on August 7, 2011 at 8:01 pm | permalink |
The only way to interrupt a guy when he's doing important stuff is if the interruption involves an offer of sex.
However: if it's REALLY important stuff, don't be hurt if he turns you down anyway. Consider that a "learning opportunity," because believe it or not, some things are more important than your need to converse.
Reasons guys will quit doing important stuff:
1. Sex
2. Major catastrophe (eg. child needs to get to hospital)
3. Looming major catastrophe (eg. tornado approaching)
…
100. "We need to talk."
And the length/quality of the relationship may push "Sex" from #1 to… you don't wanna know.
Posted by Kim du Toit on August 7, 2011 at 8:18 pm | permalink |
The writer of this article sounds seriously mentally ill. If if i was your husband i'd leave you. who wants to deal with a crazy bitch?
Posted by Mark. k on August 7, 2011 at 8:33 pm | permalink |
The thing that's not right is you and your unrealistic expectations of this male.
He's not there to talk with you–he's there to work, which is what he's doing.
You need to get beyond your twelve year old's fantasies and build the incredible life with the guy that's available. Try less thinking and talking and more doing–meals, clean clothes, welcoming bed. He'll start talking to you.
Start reading PioneerWoman's blog to get the picture.
Posted by Lee on August 7, 2011 at 9:22 pm | permalink |
Just an observation: you make it sound like you lack commitment to your relationship.
Good, lasting relationships don't "just happen." They require continual effort and work as they are not stagnant.
Suggestion: commitment as much effort and hard work to your relationship as you make to your career.
Posted by UOG on August 7, 2011 at 9:35 pm | permalink |
You are unhappy. And farmer cannot make you happpy even if he were to give in to your every desire. And he cannot – nobody can. Time to realize that the key to happiness is within yourself, but, paradoxically, only if you direct your attention away from yourself.
I drove my wife and children away from me by concentrating on my unhappiness and demanding that they accomodate me. I believed that all of our problems stemmed from their selfishness, not mine. In time I made them as crazy as I was and the family shattered like glass.
Since then, I've learned. The key to happiness is thinking about others and their needs at least as often thinking about my own. The kids and I have patched things up, but the wife isn't ever going to return. I wish now I had lost every argument that I had ever "won" with her.
Posted by Trashhauler on August 7, 2011 at 10:54 pm | permalink |
I think you're right. I need to make myself happy. I only think this four days after the fight. But I'm making progress, right? And I think you're right that being right doesn't matter. Being close does. This is hard for me. Your comment (like so many in this string) is good and helpful. Thank you.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on August 8, 2011 at 12:22 am | permalink |
Some people need to be around other folks to feel happy. When they have fewer than 10 different people who they can talk to in one week, they feel lonely and isolated. That might be you.
It does NOT mean that there is anything abnormal or wrong about you. But some people are fine spending their time with four or fewer people, and others aren't. And when someone is unemployed, when their social circle (co-workers and customers) shrinks down to neighbors, family, and incidental contacts (people you pass on the street or only occasionally meet), the loneliness can make everything else worse.
I don't know if you have time for daytrips with friends or family. Going fishing, going on a picnic, seeing a movie together, going shopping together for groceries, going to church or temple — any of these things can help to alleviate loneliness.
I wish you the best of luck both with feeling better and with finding a job. There's nothing wrong with you, as far as I can tell. You're going through a rough patch, and the stressors in your live are compounding to make things feel even harder. Take time to breathe, to talk, to remind yourself that this too will pass, and things will get better.
Posted by Londel on August 7, 2011 at 11:41 pm | permalink |
I think you should: reread Little Women, listen to Denis Prager, stop discussing your husband on the internet.
Posted by Mel on August 7, 2011 at 11:54 pm | permalink |
Don't ever forget the fools in Congress who have diverted American into this chasm, simply to improve their re-election chances.
Much suffering lies ahead, alas.
Posted by PacRim Jim on August 8, 2011 at 1:15 am | permalink |
Married to the wrong person? NO! You ARE the wrong person. Change yourself sweetie — you are the only person you can control. Having been unemployed for long periods myself, with 2 children to support and NO husband, I know how it feels too. But jumping in front of a tractor has nothing to do with finding a job or being depressed about it. It has everything to do with wanting to CONTROL him. Control yourself, honey. Self aware? no, Self centered Drama Queen.
Posted by Susan Harms on August 8, 2011 at 6:20 am | permalink |
How can you be labeled as "the world's most influential guidance counselor" when you are so screwed up mentally & emotionally?
Did the Farmer actually try to run over you? I know that's what you perceived but in your current state I doubt that your perceptions are valid. What does he think happened? Maybe you ran in front of the tractor when he was looking back at the rake/baler? Maybe you just made all this up? Another career – fiction writer?
Posted by Bill McConnor on August 8, 2011 at 6:34 am | permalink |
I honestly thing that 'talking about The Relationship' is for the birds. If you need to talk, then talk about what groceries to buy, how to pay for them and what school the kids should go to and so on.
THAT–the living of life–is the real relationship, and will do more to boost your spirits than all the "I FEEL this and NEED you to understand what I FEEL" talk you could ever muster. That well is endless and leads no where. Save that stuff for the blog and maybe a book or something.
If you want to work so bad, eat a big farmer breakfast and then get out in the field and ask The Farmer how you can help. There are probably some ways your own work background could help his business, aren't there?
You have too much empty time on your hands and your mind is still looking for danger as though you were naked and alone in the jungle. A glance at your 'Other Writing' link shows that this behaviour is not new for you. Seeing a professional (psychiatrist, NOT a counselor) would likely do you a world of good. Clearly and understandably that's not what you want to hear. You're really smart and successful and credentialed and educated and want to 'figure this out'.
And yet there you are, walking in front of a moving tractor!
Either write about your demons and make money from them, or exercise them with medication. They are your responsibility and no one else's.
Best of luck to you and yours!
Posted by Resident on August 8, 2011 at 7:38 am | permalink |
Penelope –
You remind me of my wife — she is crazy too. And the farmer, he is more docile than me, but I bet he feels the way about you as I do for my wife… I am out of my mind crazy in love with her. I function best in chaos, and she is chaos personified. She says crazy things, she believes things that just aren't true, makes up words, but she doesn't take my crap. (And I am a pro at dishing it out…) She makes me so angry sometimes I want to scream , and sometimes I just do… but, every minute, I love that woman more than anything else in the world. I see her smile and it makes everything crystal clear. (I bet the farmer likes that picture too…)
The Farmer and I are a few of the rare men who just love crazy. He loves you and doesn't have a clue how to make things "normal" with you, but the truth is, he isn't looking for normal… if he was, he wouldn't have married you. He is looking for you. Yes, sometimes he gets frustrated, and occasionally, he wishes you were dead, but through it all.. I just know – he loves you… and you really make him happy. Even when you are driving him crazy.
So – cut him some slack. Don't expect everything, or anything for that matter, to be normal, calm, and easy. It's like a roller coaster – enjoy the freakin' ride!!! Sometimes he is running you over with a tractor and sometimes he is filling your heart to overflowing… all the time he is loving you the best he knows how.
Just love him back. Give him sex even when you don't want to. (I snuck that in.. but it is very important… every 3 days at least) Give him some space to be who he is. You married him too, you know… You guys started with good intentions – stick with it.
My wife and I will be celebrating 26 years of marriage this month… if she read this she would laugh, get mad, and say something completely crazy within a few minutes… and as much as I know that, it would still surprise me. So I'll say something that will make her laugh, grab her ass, and see if I can get some before she realizes how manipulative I am.
Thats what I think. When I get home, I'm gonna show her this response just to see if I'm right.. Have an awesome day!
Posted by Danny T on August 8, 2011 at 8:39 am | permalink |
Oh wow this is the most engaging string of comments i have ever witnessed in my life.
just goes to show how everyone is totally clueless when it comes to keeping a marriage and keeping the family intact.
it's hard work indeed. but at the end of the day, when the dust has settled, even if i would like to walk out and never come back to my home, i think about my kids and how much they deserve a happy home even at the expense of my sanity. then i begin to cultivate patience and forgiveness and optimism and try to make an effort to make things work in spite of myself and my wants and needs.
After more than a decade, my family is still intact, i'm calmer and stronger. i don't have the urge to prove anything to anybody. it still is a struggle sometimes but i have learned how to cope and trust that things will be OK. and i still believe my children deserve a loving family and it is my responsibility not to give them anything less.
Posted by Wenko on August 8, 2011 at 8:48 am | permalink |
oh and there is a li'l drama queen inside of me but i've learned to tame it over the years
Posted by Wenko on August 8, 2011 at 8:50 am | permalink |
My hubs and I repeat cycles too. There's some change, but it's slow and subtle. And I know what you mean, not wanting it to affect the kids, but being unable to hold it in check all the time.
But the skill of having faith is transferable, just more difficult to apply in the marriage context than the job context. The job is just a "me" issue. Marriage adds a spouse into the mix, and they're so intractable.
I find it easier to view marriage as, first and foremost, a business contract. It gets divided in court, just like business ventures, after all. The only thing is, this contract involves "til death do you part," which is pretty daunting.
So I've noticed the Big Problems that arise generally do because I want to renegotiate an important term of the contract, and Hubs is not so keen. Then I start making noise, being difficult, and basically trying to make it more desirable for him to change than to stay the same. And the cycle goes on.
Since you are good with career and job finding stuff, maybe it would help to look at it like a business contract. You are very good a negotiating your way into an employment contract. But your marriage contract negotiation tactics are not working. They need to change.
You hanging on the tractor sounds like you are trying to do the impossible: force him to change.
They get all ticked off when you do that. If something Must Change Right This Minute, focus on something in yourself–but for yourself, not to please him.
I don't read your blog regular so I don't know what's up with your kids and school issues. But if you are too stressed maybe now's not the time for homeschooling. Give yourself a break and send 'em to school.
hoping for the best for ya
Posted by Linda on August 8, 2011 at 11:31 am | permalink |
This too will pass…it's life, big and bold. If you feel crazy, breath/run/stretch, do whatever makes you feel better.
You only have one life, is this how you want to spend it?
Posted by lynne whiteside on August 8, 2011 at 12:50 pm | permalink |
I think the Farmer is a saint for putting up with you. Of course patience and the ability to roll with the punches are requirements for the job of farmer.
Posted by AXEL HOSE on August 8, 2011 at 1:01 pm | permalink |
Farmer kept driving? He has had just about as much of you as he can take.
You MADE him talk to you for two hours? Wow, way to ensure major resentment.
Oh, and you are apparently coming between him and his parents and siblings.
If you care about this guy, leave him while he is still young enough to find someone that isn't intent on ruining his life. Someone that actually respects him.
Posted by need coffee on August 8, 2011 at 1:32 pm | permalink |
"I have that feeling I used to have when I was unemployed. Like I wished the world would end."
I asked God for a job. She produced a job named after a heroine who broke my heart, 3 miles from her job, & with passwords named after her title. I never asked God for employment again & never felt bad about unemployment again.
Posted by Heroine Worshiper on August 9, 2011 at 12:26 am | permalink |
Yiu're not married. You don't have any real income and you're dependent on someone else.
Posted by Eva on August 9, 2011 at 12:51 am | permalink |
Eva – that is the dumbest thing I have read in a while.. do you even have a clue about what marriage is?
Posted by Danny T on August 9, 2011 at 8:05 am | permalink |
Eva means she's literally not married. She isn't. Not only has there not been any weddding post, but I believe previous posts have mentioned the whole "not actually married" phenomenon.
Posted by Valerie on August 12, 2011 at 10:56 am | permalink |
Oops, I take it back. I like to be correct about these things so I double checked with a search and she DID get married.
Only in some weird way to avoid the problems that come from tax evasion. Which is nothing if not uniquely P. Trunk's style. So she is not legally married in the generally accepted way, but who cares. She thinks she is married therefore she is married.
Eva might be right about income, though. There seem to be more and more ads on the site and now we're getting sponsored blog posts as well. Seems a little desperate.
Posted by Valerie on August 12, 2011 at 12:52 pm | permalink |
@ Eva and Valerie:
Who died and left you in charge of background checks, credential checks and vetting?
If you don't trust Penelope's basic premise–advice on the intersection of life and work–then you don't. Why stay on-board?
Sniping is not a professional response here, IMHO. You seem to be taking advantage of someones candor and willingness to be honestly vulnerable.
Posted by chris Keller on August 12, 2011 at 4:23 pm | permalink |
I don't think it's healthy for you to have blog comments from people thanking you for your honesty and telling you it's ok. You're really not ok.
He is working. Take responsibility for *your* crazy. Ruminate, get some exercise, write, whatever – but leave the man alone until it's also a good time for him to talk. Your narcissism is shocking.
Your kids don't benefit from all of their friends' parents knowing about your marital problems. You're exploiting them by exposing yourself.
I also don't buy your nonsense about how many companies you've founded, how you're a dream to VCs. I know that world. You're a mess and the quality of management is the top criteria used to assess investment opportunities. Keep raising goats, keep giving career advice – that's fine – but don't tell us you're 'great at social media'. Yeah sure. Maybe in 1996 but today, you're sprinting to catch up with the slowest runners in the race.
Time to grow up Penelope.
Posted by EBB on August 9, 2011 at 4:01 pm | permalink |
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Posted by berk on August 9, 2011 at 8:28 pm | permalink |
Where do you work out? Are there any gyms near you or do you have exercise equipment at home? Distance to a work out location is an issue for many people. Is that an issue you have living on the farm?
Posted by Matthew on August 10, 2011 at 7:10 pm | permalink |
New to your blog, this was the first post I read. Then I read the post about how you have to tell the world everything, and I understand, or think I do kinda sorta in a way because I really can't relate to how you grew up but reading about it knocked my socks off.
Now I'm stuck between feeling compelled to read more, and wondering why, since I'm usually bored by people I diagnose as narcissists. You might be and you might not be, but you're certainly interesting, and most aren't.
Eat. Don't bug the farmer when he's working. Find someone besides the farmer to talk to when you need to talk. Men are generally shitty about that anyway, unless they want to get into your pants. Your need to talk doesn't match his need to listen, and never will. Get a therapist if you need one.
I've been with the same guy for 24 years. I love him most of the time, I like him much of the time (now that is – there have been times when I haven't even liked him much of the time) but I respect him almost all of the time, even when I don't like him or love him. I can't imagine living with anyone that I would love more or more often, and I am fiercely loyal to him, even when I'm angry (which is an awful lot these menopausal years).
If you think your life sucks, maybe it does. So what. Life does sometimes. Just make sure you're not suffering from comparing the perfect dream life to the one you have, because it will never measure up. Compare it to the best one you might have alone, instead. Nobody can make you happy if you aren't already. Maybe a better measure is whether or not someone is making you miserable.
The farmer doesn't sound like that sort of guy. He actually sounds almost perfect. Do you really want someone who stops working because you need to talk?
Posted by Xanthippe on August 10, 2011 at 10:30 pm | permalink |
Really? Maybe she doesn't need a guy who stops working because she needs to talk. She DOES, however, need a guy who won't run her over with a TRACTOR because she needs to talk.
He doesn't sound almost perfect. He sounds abusive. You sound like someone who spent the past 24 years rationalizing to yourself that communication in relationships is unnecessary. You suggest paying a therapist if you need to talk to someone. Yeah that sounds a recipe for a happy relationship with your significant other.
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Posted by f on August 11, 2011 at 12:02 am | permalink |
bravo to you for keeping it real! this is most definitely life; it's got ups and downs which make us all act more or less crazy from time to time and our relationships do the same. The key is to keep refining ourselves whether for jobs, people and/or life and find a way to get ourselves back to the middle. As someone who is currently unemployed and in a relationship I am struggling with; I keep finding that the more I just focus on bettering myself the better off I am. One thing at a time is what's working (and some degree of letting go) and then just working on the things which will most benefit me the most – which is finding good work. If I spend too much time trying to talk about needed change, problems, issues, my feelings to my partner then I just get too distracted and depressed to really focus on doing good for me much less finding good quality work. I really do like your tips about how to look things are great – because essentially it does boil down to being able to activate the positives and utilize them for as long as we can (a real challenge I know all too well) but we are only human and sometimes we do have to take breaks from happiness too really absorb our realities – it's the only way through!
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Always follow your heart. It is the only reliable voice.
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Posted by krysia on August 29, 2011 at 5:33 pm | permalink |
Hey, Pen, Reading this post makes me sad. Relationships needn't be this hard.
Maybe I'm not one to talk, being in marriage #3. This one works, thanks to my greater age, maturity, and especially thanks to wife #3 (and her Mom, who lives with us and is amazing!)
First off, I agree with Courtney: this doen't belong on your blog IMHO.
Second, marriage is in large measure a business relationship, with time off for romance. Not a romance with time off for business. Wife #3 and I have been married more than 15 years and have raised a son. We all (son, wife, Len, Mom-In Law) live in great peace. Wife and I have a marriage meeting every single sunday, no exceptions, to go over the previous week and plan the next one. Everything that is working gets noted, everything that needs attention gets it. We share our individual and marital goals and support each other and arrange specific things to do to make that support real. That way we do not have to interrupt each other during the week with any requests or demands that have not already been laid out, confident that at the end of the week everything will get the attention it needs in a constructive spirit.
The farmer is a guy, and this sort of 'rational' approach seems to appeal to them. Maybe he'd like to try it out.
Posted by leonard waks on September 3, 2011 at 4:40 pm | permalink |
Hang in there Penelope! Sounds like your life is pretty dark right now. If it helps, your willingness to risk and speak with painful honesty about what is going on in your life is probably helping a lot of people whose lives are also not going well.
I think the fact is that most people's lives are going poorly most of the time. This was true for the adults I used to judge as a kid and wonder why they couldn't get their stuff together and ironically, it is true for me as I commit the very mistakes my parents did and I swore I never would repeat.
As Shakespeare said "All the worlds a stage and we are all actors." Problem is we are all playing the part of the "perfect" individual who has everything together. I wish we could all just be more honest with each other. Your blog is a great starting point.
Posted by Art on September 6, 2011 at 12:13 am | permalink |
I love reading your blog and I also love the (apparent) number of asperger followers who leave the random comments, questions and get to the heart of the matter about your work outs. You wrote this a while ago, so I'm hoping you've found what you're looking for today.
Posted by renae on September 21, 2011 at 10:14 pm | permalink |
There is one constant that I take away from every dialogue I have with you, whether it was the career coaching (which BTW REALLY helped me) or the other random topics we've discussed via email, so hear this, listen to this, KNOW this, YOU ARE A SURVIVOR. You can and will overcome anything.
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Posted by Xin191013 on September 24, 2011 at 5:30 am | permalink |
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Posted by Tracerz on October 9, 2011 at 11:27 am | permalink |
Thank you for this. It helps to know I'm not alone. I've always been good at "work" and sucky at relationships. I've never depended on anyone to support me, except my parents when I was a kid and now, for the first time, my boyfriend, because I don't have work. He is good, steady and loving, and willing to foot all the bills until I've found my financial feet again. And I went psycho on him this week in a way that left us both totally bewildered. (And yes, it included me trying to initiate a 'talk' and him not responding the way I wanted him to.) They say that true character is revealed during times of stress. If that was my real character, I need serious help. But really… these things keep us in check. Humility and humor will keep us going. I am not always right, as much as I'd like to think so. I know that I am full of fear, and when I start to feel vulnerable, I push people away. I need to get my life back on track; only then will it be worth sharing. With you in solidarity.
Posted by ControlFreak on October 22, 2011 at 12:18 pm | permalink |
ControlFreak, you sound just like me, just about down to the stress/fear-induced freakout on the man (sans "the talk") – lots of career/life-related stress. Well, not one incident but a string of things. Unfortunately, mine started taking place early in our relationship so that took care of that. I guess up to a certain point they're considered "red flags" and after that point they're considered "areas where your SO needs support." Nothing abusive or violent, just small geysers. I started stressing out in the early, "red flag" part, and…buh-bye. The upshot is that I was diagnosed with ADHD recently, and do much better on meds (Adderall). Catch-22 – the whole situation was a "rock bottom" thing for me, leading me eventually to get help and the diagnosis, itself leading to a calmer and more, um, even, disposition and cleaner kitchen! I don't blame him since we hadn't yet spent a lot of time together, being across Ponds, and people don't automatically think "ADHD" in an adult female.
Posted by BetterNow on October 29, 2011 at 6:43 am | permalink |
Perhaps this is a selfish comment but I find your honesty refreshing. I cannot tell you how many blogs I have read where people pretend to be perfect and successful. I can tell you are a very strong and wise woman. Thank you for what you have written.
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