I have been spending my days with Jehovah's Witnesses. I had to replace my house manager from Madison, and people told me that I should put an ad on the grocery-store bulletin board. That's how people get jobs where I live now. So I did that. I got two responses.
The job listing said $10/hr and Jeanenne said she'd do it for $20. That's something I would do. So I hired her. Everyone knows everyone in this town. And when I mentioned Jeanenne's name, everyone said, "But she's a Jehovah's Witness."
I didn't really know what this meant. I mean, I knew that they'd probably say something like that about me, being (probably) the only Jewish family in the county. And I knew that when I was a latchkey kid, and Jehovah's Witnesses would knock on our door, I would often invite them in to talk.
They never made any sense to me.
Now I know why. Jehovah's Witnesses are all about being happy. They are all about having the answers, knowing the rules, and following them to happiness.
1. The real path to happiness is contentment, and it looks a lot like hell.
Jeanenne recognizes that this is the big difference between us. She took this photo for me. She said, "The cow reminds me of you."

I laughed right away. The cow has acres of land with corn and grass to feed on all day long. But she went to the edge of the fence and poked her head through to somewhere else. That's how I am.
Happiness is not interesting to me. I ask Jeanenne why she does not want to argue with the Watchtower. I ask her why she does not want to try doing bad things to see what it feels like. I say, "If you're going to make your whole life about living according to the Bible, then why not learn to read the Bible in the original language instead of reading someone else's translation?"
This is so completely not interesting to her. She trusts the unnamed person who tells her what the Bible says. When I question whether it is okay to use birth control if it's not okay to masturbate, she sends me a three page, well-reasoned email response.
So here's where we are: I want to find what is wrong, what is unsettling, what leads to inner turmoil and conflict. She wants to have peace and happiness by believing that there is one way to interpret the Bible, and that the Jehovah's Witnesses know that one way. She wants to help other people find that.
I want to help people find conflict and self-doubt.
2. Contentment is intellectually boring and creatively unchallenging.
So the happiness in Darlington, Wisconsin is killing me. People are genuinely happy here. They do not want to fly to New York City to see what they're missing at Annie's Blue Ribbon. They have better things to spend their money on. Like family togetherness or something.
It's just not in me to be happy. I love questioning everything. Now that I'm a Jew among Christians, I realize that the big difference isn't Jesus—the big difference is that Jews are always asking more questions. Jews celebrate doubt, angst, and searching in dark places. We love that stuff.
The other day my son asked the farmer why we can't use dirty napkins at dinner.
The farmer said, "Don't ask why. It's rude."
I nearly fell over. Really. I had never heard that ever in my life.
3. Uncertainty and disquietude make life worth living, but they don't make contentment.
This is another thing about living in farm country: If you want to say something nice about someone, you say they are a hard worker.
Apparently, people here have not read my post about how you should never be the hardest worker. Because here, it's a competition. You know how if you want to go home early, you make sure to send a bunch of emails as the very last thing you do so that everyone thinks you're working? The farm version of that is cutting hay. Or corn. Or soybeans. Everyone can see how far along you are.
The farmer is always early. He says he's early because he's a hard worker.
We pass a farm and I say, "Why do you think the corn isn't cut?"
He says, "I don't know. Maybe they're lazy."
I say, "Maybe the husband just killed the wife and the kids are trying to deal with a grand jury while they're trying to get the corn cut."
You know what is most lovable about me to me? I can find drama in anything.
4. Intense solitude and internal voices are essential to life, albeit an unhappy one.
Now that the positive psychology types are coming out with iPhone apps, we know that people with a lot of free time on their hands are not happy. Those people spend too much time thinking miserable thoughts.
The problem is that this seems so nice to me.
And the problem is that now it all starts to make sense to me that Jeanenne is always busy doing stuff for Jehovah's Witnesses. For instance, 400 people volunteered their time to build a new meeting place. I don't think Jews would do that. We would donate money so that we could have more time to think dark, unsettling thoughts. But the Jehovah's Witnesses keep busy. And anyway, going door-to-door is a lot of work.
The farmer and I went to visit.

We had to leave after only a short time because we had to pick the kids up from my Ex and I still needed to fight with the farmer about whether or not he can boss me around with my chickens if he won't let me boss him around with his pigs.
5. Intellectual angst and constant turmoil are so fun and interesting that you won't miss being content.
My friend came to visit. She is a friend who has been a professional flutist, novelist, gardener, and now I think she's on her way to professional photography. Here is a random picture she took of the cows and the barn.

Anyway, she has a nose for nuisance, and she took one look at Jeanenne and said, "I can tell she brings a lot of stability to you. It's good you have her."
It's true, really, that you can SEE stability in Jeanenne. That's how she is. And she has a stable family and her kids are growing up and being good Jehovah's Witnesses. And she doesn't care that they're not going to college because really, what is college about except challenging everything you already know?
This is one of my favorite pictures. It's my son sitting in a crowd of boys watching my other son play a video game where he kills everyone.

This is a picture of the life I'm raising my boys to enjoy: a tangled life of misery and conflict, and gatherings to celebrate that. I am not crazy for wanting this. We are officially in the backlash period of the positive psychology movement (I am declaring that period beginning: Now.) As a backlasher myself, I'm convinced that you cannot have both a happy life and an interesting life; you have to choose one. Adam Philips recently made a contribution to this backlash in the Guardian with a review of one of my favorite books, Lord of the Flies, to show that people want interesting lives over happy ones. Tyler Cowen was so far ahead of this curve that he had to disguise his diatribe against happiness as an economic treatise. And I credit him with making me understand that an interesting life is a better goal than a happy one.
The farmer and I wake up very early in the morning. There's a lot written about why you'll be happier if you wake up early, but who cares? Because the farmer doesn't want more happiness —if he did, would he have married me? I'm way too much trouble. The farmer wants to be busy. He put in this wood burning heating system and every day he wakes up early to chop dead trees in our forest.

I wake up early to think. Because I don't want to be happy. I want idle time to let my mind wander because the unhappy result is so interesting. I watch the sunrise through the smoke, then I sip coffee and stress about what I'm doing with my life. Then Jeanenne comes to remind me that the other side's always there if I change my mind.




Wow…i'm speechless and that ain't easy.
Posted by Skye on November 30, 2010 at 10:12 pm | permalink |
Amazing. I totally agree, I'd rather not be happy then mindless and babbling.
Posted by Indie on January 6, 2012 at 3:32 am | permalink |
I remember Werner Erhard used to say happiness is the booby prize.
Posted by doranb on November 30, 2010 at 10:19 pm | permalink |
"Understanding in life is the booby prize". So the distinction is "understanding/knowing something" or "being someone"
Posted by Remi on December 1, 2010 at 11:40 am | permalink |
I think I would rather be uninteresting and happy. But that's probably because it will never, ever happen with my analytical brain and tortured creative soul…and I MUST yearn for something that is completely out of reach.
Posted by Sarah Bray on November 30, 2010 at 10:28 pm | permalink |
whether it is instead of people who are desperate and we must not despair in this life to live but if we do not want to try to become a better and more advanced I am afraid we'll actually going to be people who are always desperate and hopeless undergo all this is what is called a life resigned to what was resigned to it a good decision for us ………..?
hello friends hopefully always sucses and more advanced in survivors struggling through all this
Simak
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Posted by arif rohman on December 2, 2010 at 7:24 am | permalink |
Happiness is for losers.
Posted by Ken on November 30, 2010 at 10:29 pm | permalink |
After 40 years of reading books and quizzing people, I've formed the view that organised religion is our most illogical invention and our greatest cause of suffering. The world is wondrous and dangerous enough without crazed veneers. Or so I believe.
Posted by Paul Hassing on November 30, 2010 at 10:33 pm | permalink |
I'm sure you posted that your move to Madison was specifically and only because your research told you that you would be happier there. Not your wisest decision, apparently.
The coolest thing about Jehovah Witnesses is they reject all holidays and birthdays. Saves a lot on cards and gifts.
Posted by Brad on November 30, 2010 at 10:49 pm | permalink |
You look very happy in that pic with the farmer. He is so……regular, an you are so hyper. Dear lady, you are prototype of the woman I have been seeking all my life. Rife with angst, seeking, questioning, never settled. All in question – that's my motto.
You think it is easy finding a you? The farmer is a fortunate man to be able to suffer with you, dear. May you continue to bring instability and wonderfulness to the farm, and you will even find peace in that, when you realize that you know, that is what you do.
Posted by alan wilensky on November 30, 2010 at 10:50 pm | permalink |
I agree that you look so happy in the picture, positively beaming. Maybe you're happy to be different, and who could blame you? Everyone's idea of happiness is different! For some, like the Jehovah's Witness lady, "ignorance is bliss". Some people are addicted to drama and can't stand living without something to bitch about. In the final "Matrix" movie the architect explains that the original matrix was designed to be a perfect world, with everything completely blissful at all times. People died. Humans need to question, strive, and explore. I don't think its a bad idea to try to let go of some of the anxiety all that questioning brings. But when we stop questioning we die. Seriously. I would have answered your son's question with "We use clean napkins every time we eat the same way we use clean toilet paper every time we go to the bathroom." I love the questions kids ask.
Posted by lynnevon on December 1, 2010 at 2:40 pm | permalink |
You soooo belong in Boston! The outskirts, NOT Boston proper. Far enough away to nurture a certain malaise, say 30 minutes outside. An uppity suburban area might be best. Aim for just west of Boston. I'm sure this would fuel your angst and you will be miserable like everyone else around you. Seriously, you will fit right in. There are no "Hellos" or "Hiyas" from strangers, no chicken pot pie from welcome wagon, no nosy neighbors. Everyone is trying so hard to seem just "okay" that they keep to themselves and it's all accepted as perfectly normal.
It's funny that you're in Madison writing this. I always joke that Boston is basically the polar opposite of Madison. So, this post REALLY struck a chord and I had to respond to roll out the unwelcome mat. That's the other thing, no matter how long you live here as a transplant it will take decades for you to feel like it's "home". And the people (neighbors, co-workers, whatever) will help you feel that raw disconnection and make you earn any sense of contentment or comfort.
Posted by Stephani on November 30, 2010 at 10:57 pm | permalink |
Penelope, this is one of your best posts, as far as I'm concerned. If the positive psychology movement is movin' on out, that's fine with me; all it does is to create anxiety and stress among those who feel they have to force themselves to be happier, with the opposite result.
I, too, am a product of a non-religious Jewish background as well as an education in critical thinking, so I understand your frame of reference. How can anyone begin to understand life by not questioning, examining, and analyzing? All such enquiry is beyond the realm of mindless happiness.
Thanks,
Dan
Posted by IslandEAT on November 30, 2010 at 11:04 pm | permalink |
Wow. Great, it's true, I'm wired to be drawn to the interesting at the expense of happiness but this puts it in focus for me Penelope, thanks.
In Neil Young's song "Now a days Clancy can't even sing"
The second verse begins(I love Neil's music):
Who's all hung up on that happiness thing?
I am, I am!
Richard Sher
Posted by Richard Sher on November 30, 2010 at 11:06 pm | permalink |
Some one once asked the Buddha " what is the meaning of life?
The Buddha replied "It's none of your business".
Love that Buddha.
.
Posted by Richard Sher on November 30, 2010 at 11:09 pm | permalink |
Oh,dang it P. you KNOW I'm gonna respond to this one.
#1: I"m interested in learning the Bible in the original, even if Jeanenne is not, and I'm still a Witness. We're not cookie cutter. When I have time, I'll do it. We do like research and questions.
#2: If you only find happiness and no angst in Darlington you are not looking hard enough.
#3: The hard worker as compliment and competition is SO a Mid-West thing. I know you weren't pegging it as a particular Witness thing, but just for the record it's not.
#4. Studying psychology and the deep inner workings of the mind including dark unsettling angst ridden thoughts fascinate me. I love social psychology. But if I dwell on it too much and it informs all my perceptions, no it doesn't always make for happiness.
#5. You think Witnesses don't go to college? You think that because many don't it's because they are afraid of their world-view being challenged? Really??? I know Witness kids who go to college. I know a TON of non-Witnesses whose kids don't go to college. They *choose* NOT to go to college. Radical Self Education, Whole Life Learning, Unschooling, Unjobbing, Appreticeships, On the Job Training, Auto Didactics?? Google, P. It's not a Witness thing. I'd be happy to send you links.
#6. I'm starting a backlash to the backlash of the positive psychology movement. Starting NOW. I believe in neither the positive psychology movement (Bright Sided by Barbra Ehrenreich is really good if you haven't read it) nor do I believe in the idea that the road to an interesting life comes through angst. I gave the later idea up after the angst -ridden- listening- to -The -Cure- all -day teen years.
#7. Contentment is boring and creatively un-challenging. First of all, I don't know how people in the here and now can be truly content with all the angst ridden stuff going on in the world. Contentment is really hard to find for anyone. That having been said BORING and UNCHALLENGING? P, that made me totally laugh because my husband and I were talking tonight saying that we felt pretty content right now (given the fact we will loose our house in this economy… we found that ironic). And yet, we feel very creative and stimulated right now. My husband has joined three other guys he knows to start a weekly jam band who are playing his original songs. He finds that creatively stimulating. He has an agent and publisher for a kids book he just wrote, and I have never felt more creative and full of self expression than I do in my current obsession (hooping~ya,I know that sounds weird, but that's another story). My daughter obsessively draws, creates and writes poetry for the sheer love of it all. We love to read all sorts of books, fiction and non fiction, I follow what is going on in the world at large as my interests dictate. We feel like we are growing intellectually and creatively all the time, while we also volunteer by going door to door to tell people about the Bible. Life is SO far from boring and without challenge. I don't need a trough full of angst and turmoil to stimulate an interesting life (to use a farming reference)
#7. Oy. I HATE waking up early and avoid it at all costs.
#8. P, you really have to get out more. I mean, you know I love Jeanenne, but maybe you should meet more Witnesses. Broaden your horizons, girl. It's like me saying that all Jews are angst ridden, turmoil driven, uncertain, disquiet and discontent just because I read this post.
Was that too intense of a comment?
~M
Posted by Maria on November 30, 2010 at 11:11 pm | permalink |
Thank you Maria, you put it so well. I was mentally composing a reply to the original post, then read yours and realised I can't say it any better. I am a Witness too (hello my sister) and very definitely NOT cookie cutter. My eldest daughter went to university, my middle daughter is also undertaking tertiary education, my youngest (son) most likely will too. Jeanenne doesn't represent us all. Kinda reminds me of a couple of sisters witnessing here a while back, they both happened to have the same coat, and a householder asked if it was a 'uniform.'
Posted by Lorri on December 3, 2010 at 5:48 am | permalink |
God, I love reading your stuff.
"Jews celebrate doubt, angst, and searching in dark places." Us Lutherans love that too! And don't laugh, your writing almost always 'cheers me up'! So, thanks…
Posted by Kris Costello on November 30, 2010 at 11:21 pm | permalink |
i like how you write and share openly sans apology, regret, angst. I like how you 'be' just as you are. I adore sippin coffee and thinkin too. I haven't judged the thoughts yet if they're unhappy ones or not.
Posted by Tre ~ (Tresha Thorsen) on November 30, 2010 at 11:23 pm | permalink |
Yes you are like that cow! How insightful of Jeanenne to see that. And how authentic of you to be able to see the truth in it and laugh about it.
Posted by melanie gao on December 1, 2010 at 12:06 am | permalink |
Most people are not happy, there are happy enough. They've settled with what they have , because exploring and being interesting requires a lot of hard work. Also there are already set standards & templates on what 'happy' looks like. There are none for 'interesting'
Posted by Sadya on December 1, 2010 at 12:32 am | permalink |
Hi, I just wanted to say that when I check your blog and see that there's a new post, in that moment I am happy. Moreover I'm happy entertaining the idea that there is a trade off between the interesting and the happy.. I think you may well be right but it takes some further thought to explain the way we behave.. some of the happiest people I know are really interesting. But perhaps I just find it interesting that they *can* be happy.
Posted by Michael on December 1, 2010 at 12:48 am | permalink |
Pretty sure Create Your Own Economy wasn't "a tirade against happiness." Most of it was about how to find happiness.
Posted by michael on December 1, 2010 at 12:53 am | permalink |
Yeah, you're right, Michael. This is why people should not send books to me to review on my blog. Just kidding. Sort of.
But this is what happened: The book arrived in my mailbox and I thought, forget it, I'm never going to be able to understand an economic treatise from a economics professor. But I love Tyler's blog, Marginal Revolution. So I decided to interview him about the book so I wouldn't have to read it.
I have a very hard time on the phone. And Tyler made it harder for me by challenging everything I was thinking about why personal fulfillment.
I was thinking I'd be fulfilled if I were socially connected and likable. And Tyler told me maybe I just need to be consuming information and spitting it out in interesting ways and that's what'll make me fulfilled. Not the social stuff.
So I hung up on him and didn't review his book.
But what he told me really stuck with me. And actually made me want to try reading his book again. So my experience of his book is a tirade against happiness.
We each have our own experience of each book. Lord of the Flies. For me that's about social skills. Maybe for Tyler Lord of the Flies is about game theory.
Penleope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on December 1, 2010 at 3:15 am | permalink |
Que Danny Hazzard in 1-2-3 …
Posted by John on December 1, 2010 at 1:09 am | permalink |
I like this post. You sound happier than recently
Posted by Kathleen on December 1, 2010 at 1:23 am | permalink |
With the name, Irving Podolsky, how could I possibly be happy?
Okay, so it's not my name. I'm still not happy. But bored I'm not.
Irv
Posted by Irving Podolsky on December 1, 2010 at 1:43 am | permalink |
You need to better define what interesting means to you.
Because from my perspective, if interesting means sabotaging my relationships with my partner, sons and colleagues in the name of some wanky quest for personal fufillment, then I'll opt out.
I don't want to be a complete ass to everyone I come in contact with so I can pursue an 'interesting' life.
Posted by Jessica on December 1, 2010 at 3:28 am | permalink |
howdy P, happiness is just a state of mind and your choice at that. Happy works for me. I'm happy you have the new house manager – stable might be a nice change – and you'll always have room for caos, best le
Posted by le on December 1, 2010 at 4:19 am | permalink |
a very good write up …sometimes the simple life is the happy one ….no clutter or presure….
Posted by FRED on December 1, 2010 at 6:14 am | permalink |
sometime the simple life is the best!!
Posted by FRED on December 1, 2010 at 6:15 am | permalink |
You are a humorous person! Also gets one thinking, "do I want to be happy….or am I happy being miserable? As the late George Carlin put it, "If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done?"
We forget that Jesus was a Jew. He had a lot to say about happiness: (Sermon on the Mount)Also created a lot of angst as he challenged those who misrepresented God, his father.
Those who follow in his footsteps may also cause a lot of angst unintentionally just trying to set the record straight on the true source of happiness. The people like Jeanenne do just that!
Posted by R H on December 1, 2010 at 6:21 am | permalink |
I've been thinking a lot about the idea of happiness and Asperger syndrome. A lot of Aspies are "unhappy" but I think that's because of bad definitions of the word.
I look at my son, and he doesn't do any of the things that he's supposed to do to be happy. And yet, in his own way, he is. He's most miserable when we try to help him be happy.
I think that happiness for introverts is the opposite of the happy-happy, toothpaste-commercial-smiliness of religious literalists. (Never mind that their veneer of uber-happiness might just be part of their struggle to believe that they believe…)
Aspie happiness must be more like Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi's idea of flow. Flow means being in the moment, living it deeply, to the point that you don't even realize time is passing. It means digging deeply into what you're doing because it's part of who you are.
Posted by Nancy on December 1, 2010 at 6:27 am | permalink |
Incredible post! I really needed this today.
Posted by Lynn on December 1, 2010 at 6:44 am | permalink |
Maybe it's all less about finding happiness or contentment than it is about finding balance. Jeanenne "works" for you because her happiness and contentment are a counter-balance to your angst. Same for the farmer.
Just a thought. But I agree though that this was a really good post. Thank you.
Posted by Perry on December 1, 2010 at 6:49 am | permalink |
Wow-I always wondered why I never really and truly in my life felt happy despite having those things that are supposed to make one happy – a stable marriage, a great son, a seemingly decent career. I think it is because of my constant questionning and searching out of the darkness, the "is this it"ness of the life apparently well lived. I have been toying with the idea of chucking that career to start my own business which will be a sure fire way to find angst and worry. Those around me will think I have gone bananas. Boy I am that cow too – but all in all, it is interesting that I am seeking, not contentment. This post has made me see that.
Posted by Helen on December 1, 2010 at 6:52 am | permalink |
Fantastic insights into the Jewish internal drama and seemingly insatiable need for constant mental rumination! Excellent post!
Posted by Dave Egyes on December 1, 2010 at 6:58 am | permalink |
This is terrible advice. This mindset, which I know all too well, is a curse.
Posted by Cujo on December 1, 2010 at 7:28 am | permalink |
Totally off topic, but the wood burning heating system is cool. I couldn't figure out why it would be outdoors, apparently heating the neighborhood, till I clicked on it and saw how you connect it underground to the boiler or sauna or whatnot. Is that your only source of heat in your house? Or do you have the option to switch back and forth between that and a more standard central heating system?
And on a side note, the farmer is not Jewish; right? So, as long as we're talking stereotypes, I thought it was kind of funny that he would be the one to put in this efficient, cost-saving system, while you would be the one to agree to paying the house manager double, just like that, seemingly with no quibbles.
Posted by Margaret Goerig on December 1, 2010 at 7:32 am | permalink |
I'm not sure your ability to find drama in anything is what's MOST lovable about you.
It's in the top five though.
Posted by Kerry on December 1, 2010 at 7:46 am | permalink |
"Jews celebrate doubt, angst, and searching in dark places. We love that stuff." Great quote!
Happy Hanukkah!
Posted by David Giesberg on December 1, 2010 at 7:49 am | permalink |
First time visitor to your blog. Enjoyed this post on many levels. I only disagreed with the statement that one cannot have both a happy life and an interesting life. Then again, I realize that is a very subjective thing since everyone's version of happiness and interesting differs. Thanks!
Posted by Tim on December 1, 2010 at 8:02 am | permalink |
I agree with you, Tim. I think it is possible to be happy and lead an interesting life. For some people it is simply not possible to be happy if things are not interesting, so it's not like you necessarily have to choose one or the other.
I wonder if the difference is between "creative types" vs. other types of intellectual interests? I mean, writers, and other artists, frequently suffer from depression, many even commit suicide. It doesn't mean though that people who aren't religious and choose to live an adventurous life, full of questioning, challenging the status quo, leaving family to pursue professionals interests, etc. can't be extremely happy. I know many scientists, for example, who are happy, even with all the questioning and need to be involved in interesting things all the time.
Posted by Chris M. on December 3, 2010 at 5:39 pm | permalink |
Amazing! I asked you for something about boredom–and on the same day, you write about "interesting" v happy! My supplication, answered!
You say, effectively, that contentment is boring. Happiness can get boring. Being even-keel is boring after a while. And a challenging marriage is just the ticket–no boredom!
"Interesting" is edgy, like you . . . Carry on!
Posted by chris Keller on December 1, 2010 at 8:05 am | permalink |
I think there should be a new poll – e.g. this post could have a poll for which photo is the best. A lot of good photos to choose from here. I would pick the first one because I immediately LOL at first sight – very insightful of Jeanenne.
Also on the subject of happiness, interesting, or contentment – I never thought of choosing one or the other before reading this blog. I think for me that learning is the single most important thing I enjoy doing. And that activity usually involves angst, doubt, happiness, contentment, and a few other states of mind. Maybe that's why I read this blog.
Posted by Mark W. on December 1, 2010 at 8:06 am | permalink |
This is one of your finest posts. Ever.
From a fellow Jew.
Posted by Roberta Warshaw on December 1, 2010 at 8:09 am | permalink |
Provocative and with more than a grain of truth…
Posted by Conor Neill on December 1, 2010 at 8:11 am | permalink |
Fabulous post. I've always thought the trouble with the pursuit happiness for its own sake is that it's so self-focused. It's about getting rid of angst and wanting somebody else to answer the tough questions. No way to live.
Posted by Jean Gogolin on December 1, 2010 at 8:21 am | permalink |
Hi Penelope,
Happy is a relative term. If you are happy with an interesting life, you are still happy. No?
Posted by Sai on December 1, 2010 at 8:37 am | permalink |
Great title. We can not try to be happy. Either we are or we are not. I always use the example "Try to touch your nose." Happiness is simply a state of being we choose to have or choose to hope for. I am happy with my life because when I wake up early, I spend a lot of time studying and seeking ways to maintain my positive outlook on life. Besides, Penelope, happiness is not absolute. I believe it is more like the temperature outside. It varies in degrees. Cool post and thanks for sharing so much of who you are with us.
Posted by Tina Portis on December 1, 2010 at 8:40 am | permalink |
I follow you because I get you someway. Scary I know … ha-ha! Anyway, you spun a post on my blog today. Thank you! I linked you to the post too, not like you need it BUT hey what the heck, right
. Again, thank you!
Posted by Maria Giovannoni on December 1, 2010 at 8:44 am | permalink |
"My friend came to visit. She is a friend who has been a professional flutist, novelist, gardener, and now I think she's on her way to professional photography."
A bit off topic, but I want you to know that this description of your friend's professional pursuits brought me great comfort. I find myself dabbling in different careers — journalism, college teaching, running retreats for burned out teachers, photography, etc. I have some measure of success in most of them, but never manage to commit to just one — that just seems too boring. Maybe it's because I'm seeking angst over contentment? Maybe ….
Posted by Monique on December 1, 2010 at 8:46 am | permalink |
Please don't confuse hooking up with a ready-made, spoon-fed belief system with happiness or contentment. It's actually a form of slavery.
Posted by jim on December 1, 2010 at 8:55 am | permalink |
Hi Penelope……….I LOVED seeing that picture of you & the farmer. You look so happy!!! It makes me happy to so you look so content. I'm thinking our Darlington way of life agrees w/you.
Posted by Kathy on December 1, 2010 at 8:56 am | permalink |
Love your blog and how much you go for it, saying what's on your mind. Gotta say I don't agree with your conclusion though. I feel like people can have interesting lives AND be happy. You just have to realize you create your own happiness, learn how to do it and practice it. Interesting and happy, much more fun!
Carpe diem! Karen
Posted by Karen on December 1, 2010 at 9:03 am | permalink |
I loved this post!!
Posted by Karen on December 1, 2010 at 9:09 am | permalink |
Wow you have got a lot of attention already this morning! This must make you "happy"? I find your comment about the difference between Jews and Christians insulting and inaccurate. Especially because you appear to base you statement off of one person, your "house manager". Really, are you too busy to pay your own bills and grocery shop? Yikes! Anyhow, if you want to learn about dark places try reading the book of Revalations in the new testiment and in whatever language you so desire. Christ followers don't seek happiness, they seek truth. Jesus/God never said "I want you all to be happy". In fact those who have followed him most memorably in history led very tragic lives here on earth. Its not about what WE want in this earthly life. It's about what comes after. Thanks for getting me thinking this morning.
Posted by kolin on December 1, 2010 at 9:24 am | permalink |
I think you have saved me a lot of money, Penelope. I think this because instead of going to some ridiculously expensive therapist you have made me realize my problem: right now I am happy. And it's awful. I worry constantly about this happiness. I need some drama and some movement. It seems much harder to achieve than it should be. I often wonder about the girls that have made "careers" from being socialites: their lives often appear empty and without direction since they have so much money and fame, but since they are rewarded for creating drama (drugs, sex tape scandals), it should be easier for them to have interesting lives. But are their lives really more interesting? Their dramas are usually breaking rules instead of pushing boundaries. And do they really have more freedom or are their lives actually more boring than we as a society give them credit for since they tend to waste this freedom with inane activities like clubbing, instead of exploring the world and meeting the people most of us will never have access to? I think perhaps this is the greatest injustice in modern American culture.
Posted by Harriet May on December 1, 2010 at 9:33 am | permalink |
A guy I work with moved to the Netherlands, and he says that when they talk about a good quality in someone there they say they're "interesting," whereas in the US we say they're "nice" or "friendly" and put all this value on "happiness." He said the whole culture there seems to place a lot more value on interesting than on happy.
Posted by Emily Van Metre on December 1, 2010 at 9:42 am | permalink |
Totally off topic – but had to tell you. This post confirms my belief that there's no way you're an ENTJ. You're totally missing the J – you've got to be an ENTP or based on your continual rants that you hate people an INTP. It might help you discover happiness if you stop trying to be something you're not.
Posted by Sara on December 1, 2010 at 10:19 am | permalink |
I guess I wanted peace and contentment more than interesting because I went from Jewish to Jesus Freak at the age of 36 (10 years ago). But if you have ever studied the bible, in addition to life-changing, it is certainly interesting!
Posted by Sue Miley on December 1, 2010 at 10:34 am | permalink |
I loved this post, I had to read it out-loud a few times to anyone that would listen. I especially loved that you hired her for $20. Since I have been a consultant for so long I always pay people more than they ask if they do a really great job for me because I'm thinking "That's so cheap, you can't live on that".
Anyway, great post once again, love your personal ones the best. People always say that about mine so I need to write them more often!
We need to see your Christmas decor next Penelope!
xo
Maria
Posted by Maria Killam on December 1, 2010 at 10:36 am | permalink |
i love you, penelope. i needed this.
Posted by l on December 1, 2010 at 10:39 am | permalink |
I love you. Very much. You are so validating!
Posted by Kandeezie on December 1, 2010 at 10:40 am | permalink |
Great, offbeat post.
I see no conflict between contentment/physical happiness/low stress, and intellectual curiosity. These are not opposites. Children make the shift between the two, and even maintain both simultaneously. Empathy may cause unhappiness, in which case recovery programs' advice to "wear the world as a loose garment" applies.
Having endured abuse in childhood and external stress thereafter, I intend to "become as a little child" without the crutches of religion and without Alzheimer's disease.
Posted by littlepitcher on December 1, 2010 at 10:49 am | permalink |
"2. Contentment is intellectually boring and creatively unchallenging."
So this is why Martha Stewart's disturbing inner life is a good thing, right?
(it keeps her trying to find contentment through creative shit that actually helps only those who are already happy)
Posted by Tzipporah on December 1, 2010 at 10:53 am | permalink |
"The other day my son asked the farmer why we can't use dirty napkins at dinner.
"The farmer said, 'Don't ask why. It's rude.'
"I nearly fell over. Really. I had never heard that ever in my life."
I nearly fell over, too, but because it's such a lazy response. Seriously, he fell back on "rude" when the real answer is "hygiene"? Or "compulsion"? Or, really, any number of other, more honest answers. And it wasn't even rude, unless your son used a rude tone of voice–which should earn him a reproof on tone, not the question itself.
What did you say after you nearly fell over? Or did you just let that go?
Posted by KateNonymous on December 1, 2010 at 11:13 am | permalink |
I interpreted "Don't ask why. It's rude." as meaning it was rude to ask why, not that it was rude to use a dirty napkin. That would have pushed my buttons big-time, as I gather it pushed P's.
Posted by Lauren on December 1, 2010 at 11:30 am | permalink |
So did I, although as I look at my second sentence, it doesn't say so explicitly. However, as I did say just after that, "why" is not a rude question, it's a request for information. The tone may or may not have been rude (I don't know, I wasn't there), but as I said, that's then an issue of tone, not of the question itself.
Refusing to answer questions that ask "why" and doing so by claiming (falsely) that such questions are inherently rude, is lazy. I found that interesting in light of the conversation Penelope relates in point #3.
Posted by KateNonymous on December 1, 2010 at 12:12 pm | permalink |
I am not doing well at tracking today. That should read "'Why" is not a rude question, it's a request for information. However, as I did say just after that, the tone may or may not . . ."
Posted by KateNonymous on December 1, 2010 at 12:14 pm | permalink |
LOVE LOVE LOVE Love love LOVE this post.
It's intellectually challenging, it's inspiring and it is completely totally allowing you the expression you crave to offer on your blog.
I'm reading it again after I go out for lunch.
and then I'll probably have a great discussion with my b.f. about happiness vs. interesting later tonight.
Posted by Liza on December 1, 2010 at 11:25 am | permalink |
I spent my teen years growing up on a farm and often wondered why those cows, standing waist high in beautiful clover and alfalfa would lean over the fence to eat burdocks and thistles and all manner of prickly things, it is as I suspected, cows are dark and evil creatures and they don't make good Jehovah Witnesses.
Posted by john burns on December 1, 2010 at 11:37 am | permalink |
I love this comment. And it begs the question why ever we say "Holy cow"?
Posted by Harriet May on December 1, 2010 at 12:05 pm | permalink |
So I buy it. But I still think what you need is a new project because inquiring minds want to DO stuff. You want to be in the HARD.
You gave birth to Brazen Careerist and now you've sent it off to college and it still sort of needs you, but not like before. And now you're wandering around the house looking at its old room wondering what to do with yourself.
You need a new HARD project that excites you. Too much navel gazing for the brainy and you start inventing stuff you're angsty about. For instance, when I'm sick, I always think I'm depressed, and then I start thinking up the reasons I'm depressed, but really, I'm just sick and when I start to feel better, I remember that. But I get fooled every time.
Time for a new hard project Penelope Trunk. The farmer is thinking up new projects for himself all the time. He's such a good example, and you love good examples.
Posted by Sarah Bush on December 1, 2010 at 11:38 am | permalink |
I just realized I do the same thing. Every single time. I get sick = I'm depressed. Then I realize I was just sick and that's why I couldn't move as fast as I wanted to. Maybe that's why winter depresses me too. The snow makes it harder to walk, which makes me think I'm not moving fast enough, which makes me think I'm depressed. HA!
Posted by Kandeezie on December 1, 2010 at 11:56 am | permalink |
Sarah, you are right on. Penelope is ready for a new challenge, and I am thinking something in the visual arts/film.
Posted by Christine on December 2, 2010 at 7:20 pm | permalink |
I am so on the fence about the "contentment is boring" thing. On one hand, I'm very content, and veer more to the boring than interesting side. But contentment doesn't mean stagnation or certainty. I'm not certain of anything — I can't guarantee I will always be married, or that my kids won't become druggies, etc. The thing is, I am content in my uncertainty. I am constantly searching & learning, but I like doing that kind of stuff.
I spent a fair amount of time being dark & angst-ridden. Maybe I got bored of that?
Posted by Erika on December 1, 2010 at 11:59 am | permalink |
http://cupcakesandcum.tumblr.com/post/2061364496/so-off-topic
I just wanted to say thanks for writing this, Penelope. You're terrific.
Posted by Ms. Cupcake on December 1, 2010 at 12:09 pm | permalink |
I grew up a Jehovah's Witness, and beneath all the happiness and contentment you perceive, is an outright disregard for people who disagree, question, or leave that faith.
I don't want to perceived as stirring up drama in the comments of your blog, but I will say that the way they treat outsiders (who they're hoping to convert) is very different from the way they treat people within the faith.
For my heart, I've never been happier, more contented, or more at ease than since I've left.
Posted by Treacle on December 1, 2010 at 12:47 pm | permalink |
Just wanted to add an enthusiastic agreement to this comment.
Posted by LK on December 3, 2010 at 9:30 am | permalink |
For 20 years I was a JW.
Goodness, decency and love are not trademarks exclusive to the JWs. If anything, in fact, JWs can get quite nasty (and most usually they are) with people who disagree with them – especially with those who no longer walk with them.
This is the complete opposite of the 'love and respect' they display in an attempt to lure new ones into their faith.
JWs, sadly, have become the very things they are so eager to condemn.
Posted by 20Years on December 15, 2010 at 5:54 am | permalink |
As a 15 year Zealous Jehovah's Witness (and elder) here is my own story.
http://exjehovahswitnessforum.yuku.com/topic/922
It was a very tough ordeal to go through, but the right one for me in the end.
Good luck!
Vinny
Posted by Vinny on December 1, 2010 at 1:37 pm | permalink |
As expected no doubt, this post attracted a lot of comment. In my view any thinking person would prefer an interesting life to a contented stress-free life. The problem with your post Penelope is the premise that a happy life is defined as one of placid contentment. That's not how the Positive Psychology movement would define happiness. In my view an interesting life and happy life are not mutually exclusive, but both are hard to achieve.
Posted by Doug Jordan on December 1, 2010 at 1:39 pm | permalink |
I recognize that top from the pictures of the BC Wash DC party! I totally get having the go-to outfit. Last year I had the perfect party outfit and I often wore it once or twice a week in December, always with different people. The problem is this little program called Facebook where you get 'tagged' in other people's photos, and every picture that other people took of me was in the same outfit. I endured multiple Seinfeld references (the girl who wore the superhero dress?). This year I will make sure and mix it up.
Posted by ASH on December 1, 2010 at 2:20 pm | permalink |
Oh my God – I have that Facebook problem too! You think you are wearing the same outfit to different events that have different people at them (Ie not the same crowd), and then people looking at your photos think you wear the same thing constantly, how embarrassing ha ha..
Posted by Helen on December 1, 2010 at 2:40 pm | permalink |
I enjoyed this post because I used to work with a woman who was a Jehovah's Witness and I learned so much about who I was compared to who she was. I liked her a lot though. I just couldn't believe (anything).
And you are SO FUNNY today! "400 people volunteered their time to build a new meeting place. I don't think Jews would do that. We would donate money so that we could have more time to think dark, unsettling thoughts." This made me laugh out loud because my analyst is Jewish and she is like my alternate mother (since I don't have one). She teaches me stuff like this all the time. It's so opposite what my mother would have taught me but it makes me happy to know I don't have to work so hard and that it's OK to contemplate unhappiness.
Lastly, and most important. I love your photo. Nice blouse for a cow town!
Posted by Diana on December 1, 2010 at 2:29 pm | permalink |
My Catholic mother behaves like you: she ruminates, overanalyzes, and just loves to be unhappy.
I really don't see the difference between Jews and Christians-they all have similar rituals with different names.
Now do you want to see people who ask questions?
Talk to some agnostics, some atheists; or maybe some Universalist Unitarians.
Posted by Ana on December 1, 2010 at 3:12 pm | permalink |
Rockin! I'll add a great quote from a bad movie: "Damn it, Bones, you're a doctor. You know that pain and guilt can't be taken away with a wave of a magic wand. They're the things we carry with us, the things that make us who we are. If we lose them, we lose ourselves. I don't want my pain taken away! I need my pain! "
Posted by ray on December 1, 2010 at 3:19 pm | permalink |
Great post! I appreciate your candidness. We need more of this in our society. By the way, are you an Meyers-Briggs INTJ?
Posted by Rob on December 1, 2010 at 3:40 pm | permalink |
I'm an ENTJ. And, to the person who asked about the P/J above. A big difference between an ENTJ and an ENTP is thinking about the moment or thinking about the future. I'm obsessed with long-term planning — that's what makes me a J. Well, among other things….
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on December 1, 2010 at 8:04 pm | permalink |
FYI J vs P has nothing to do with long range planning. I has to do with the need for order and structure versus flexibility and spontaneity. Are you more interested in finishing projects vesus starting etc. It really gets into ones analytical/logic type of personality versus curious/creative.
Posted by Sara on December 2, 2010 at 2:11 pm | permalink |
Why the uc on ex and lc on the farmer?
"from my Ex and I still needed to fight with the farmer"
Just wondering. For some reason it's always struck me that the Farmer is deserving of capitals.
Posted by juliette on December 1, 2010 at 3:45 pm | permalink |
It's a good point. I think about that. Sometimes I worry that if I write ex people will read ax. And sometimes I think that there are too many capitalized words in the world, and we are not in Germany, so I should err on the side of lower case.
This is all lame reasoning. I guess it's a convention I've developed. Maybe ten years from years I will know the subconscious meaning of all this..
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on December 1, 2010 at 8:06 pm | permalink |
I used to be a Jehovah's Witness.
The metaphorical "straw that broke the camel's back" for me is when I was attending one of their Sunday meetings, and the speaker on the pulpit said, "And sisters (their name for female members of the religion) this is why you shouldn't wear short skirts…because you might get raped." That's not exaggeration or paraphrasing; it's his words verbatim, and I remember them because of how shocked and disgusted they made me feel.
Though that one talk was the pivotal moment for me, there'd been a build-up towards my leaving for several years. In the Jehovah's Witness faith, men hold all the power. Not only are they the only people allowed to speak from the pulpit, every man is considered to be the "king" of his household. His word is law and all his decisions are final. In addition, Jehovah's Witness actively discourage their children from higher education and actively encourage them to marry early (though since premarital sex is a strict no-no, I guess one can understand the reasoning behind that).
My biggest issue with the faith though, is how it wrecks families. I've known women who stayed in physically and verbally abusive marriages for years because they'll be shunned and forbidden to remarry if they get a divorce. I've known abused children who were isolated and encouraged to "take back" their stories because they accused prominent men in the church of abuse. And I know parents who've thrown their teenage children out of the house for going against the religion's tenets…which is just stupid and sad to me.
Obviously, I feel very, very strongly about this. As a former Jehovah's Witness, I lost everything I knew and everyone I knew when I left that faith in my early 20's, and I wish no one else would ever have to go through that again.
Posted by Anonymous on December 1, 2010 at 3:51 pm | permalink |
You don't use the correct words to be considered an ex Jehovah's Witness, we don't call it a 'pulpit' – we don't throw our children out of the home if they choose to not become Jehovah's Witnesses. We don't encourage wives to stay in abusive marriages, we don't shun those who divorce. I have separated from my abusive (non JW) husband, yet I am still considered a member of the spiritual family at my KH.
Posted by Lorri on December 3, 2010 at 6:09 am | permalink |
If you believe these things don't happen, perhaps you should take the time to research your religion a little bit more.
Posted by LK on December 3, 2010 at 9:18 am | permalink |
Happy is like love – both wordscontain so many meanings that talking about them like we all know what the hell each other means by them is futile.
It seems quite simple to me, Penelope, you are, above all, a philosopher. Your life would be incomplete without a "tincture of philosophy", your "happiness" is in the wonder found in uncertainty -hell, let me just quote Bertrand Russell full on:
The value of philosophy is, in fact, to be sought largely in its very uncertainty. The man who has no tincture of philosophy goes through life imprisoned in the prejudices derived from common sense, from the habitual beliefs of his age or his nation, and from convictions which have grown up in his mind without the co-operation or consent of his deliberate reason. To such a man the world tends to become definite, finite, obvious; common objects rouse no questions, and unfamiliar possibilities are contemptuously rejected. As soon as we begin to philosophize, on the contrary, we find, as we saw in our opening chapters, that even the most everyday things lead to problems to which only very incomplete answers can be given. Philosophy, though unable to tell us with certainty what is the true answer to the doubts which it raises, is able to suggest many possibilities which enlarge our thoughts and free them from the tyranny of custom. Thus, while diminishing our feeling of certainty as to what things are, it greatly increases our knowledge as to what they may be; it removes the somewhat arrogant dogmatism of those who have never travelled into the region of liberating doubt, and it keeps alive our sense of wonder by showing familiar things in an unfamiliar aspect.
Posted by Lianne on December 1, 2010 at 4:39 pm | permalink |
Insightful reading – and also respectful of your new house manager's view of life. Very good blog!
Posted by Jessica Bond on December 1, 2010 at 7:42 pm | permalink |
**The farmer said, "Don't ask why. It's rude."**
Really means I am busy right now and I don't have a good answer. Asking why is not rude.
Jeanenne needs a lobotomy if she really wants to be happy. She won't need to ever think for herself again.
Posted by MoniqueWS on December 1, 2010 at 10:02 pm | permalink |
You do, indeed, sound particularly jocular in this post! Love it!!!
Posted by Jeffrey Sumber on December 1, 2010 at 10:12 pm | permalink |
interesting focus, philosophical, diversity, culture, and real life drama. ~ jg
Posted by jones on December 1, 2010 at 10:50 pm | permalink |
I noticed the grass was VERY MUCH GREENER on that other side of the (cow's) fence.
Posted by Maureen Sharib on December 2, 2010 at 5:35 am | permalink |
LOLOL!
You and me both. Although, I have to say I'm pretty happy and content, but I'm the one telling my Christian friends that they shouldn't trust their bible translations, that masturbation is OK with God and that you can get angry at him and put ants on crucifixes and call it art. I think He's OK with that. He can handle pissed off people.
Having had chickens, and having loved them to death until I slaughtered them for my girlfriend who had no food, I say you fight hard for those chickens.
Posted by justamouse on December 2, 2010 at 8:35 am | permalink |
I think I want to be Jewish now!
I tried the happy life and the interesting life.
Interesting wins hands down!
thanks for the smiles!
Posted by Cindy on December 2, 2010 at 9:54 am | permalink |
There are times when I long for the certainty of belief, and when I hear/watch the news I would like to turn it all over to God and know it will all work out. Since that's not an option for me, I listen to Sports talk radio. The world can't be too bad off if people can spend a half hour discussing an off-hand comment by a millionaire athelete. Very reassuring!!
Posted by darrell on December 2, 2010 at 10:37 am | permalink |
Penelope,
I share your interest in happy vs. interesting. I write about it all the time. I am ambitious as all get out, which is another way of saying I crave an interesting life.
But here's the thing I finally discovered. You can have both happy and interesting. It comes from setting big goals for yourself, but then also being okay with what you already have. It's essentially optimisitc ambition. This goal didn't work out? No trouble. There's always another goal behind that one, trying to elbow it's way to the front of the line.
And I would argue you've found that too. You are happy with conflict. What brings you contentment is drama. It sounds impossible, but I think it may very well be true…but maybe only for you. That's the thing. What makes one person happy will make another miserable. And that's where the happiness studies go astray. They try to be prescriptive, when you have to figure out what makes you happy yourself.
Jen
Posted by Jen Gresham on December 2, 2010 at 10:39 am | permalink |
Penelope, I don't know how I found your blog but it's in my RSS feed so I read you all the time and enjoy every single one of your posts. I'm from the Midwest originally though live in California now and I remember when I was young sitting on a fence with corn fields on one side and the bright lights of the city on the other and wishing to exist in both. But you can't so happiness is always on the other side.
Posted by Marcy Dockery on December 2, 2010 at 10:40 am | permalink |
This was entertaining. I think it makes some sense for some people and a lot of sense for a lot of people. For me, I think it's based on a faulty premise. I agree that, yes, striving and desiring (angsty thoughts) leads to change, productivity and an "interesting life". I also agree that for some and maybe most, contentment makes people happy. Contentment, being comfortable with the status-quo doesn't change and can be construed as boring. So yes to both those points. What I don't agree with, is that striving for something different or better makes one necessarily unhappy. I don't think it's a choice between interesting and happy. I prefer interesting, but I don't enjoy pain, angst, dark thoughts or conflict. I enjoy challenges, new experiences, growing and living. I'm happy. I look forward to thinking my own (sometimes dark, but mainly not) thoughts AND being busy. I think everyone needs some of both. You are hilarious. I loved this thought provoking article and I'm glad you've been able to neatly categorize all the people you come into contact with in this pre-packaged philosophy; but, it doesn't apply to everyone.
Posted by lqholiday@yahoo.com on December 2, 2010 at 12:30 pm | permalink |
Totally love the post. John Lennon once said; "just give me some truth." Love your truth-you remove the fog better than anyone I have ever read and you just get at it. You're a precious gift Penelope and you make me and lots of others happy.
I thought I would share my thoughts/struggle with happiness/interesting from a different perspective, that of being in the context dating/relationships.
For the sake of full disclosure I am a 45 y.o. bachelor/never married (keep reading). I was in long relationships (5/6 years) with both "happy" women and "interesting" women as I was seeking to find my way in the world and what I thought I wanted (this was all well before the happiness movement). Just out of college I was stuck with the usual American male directive to go out and make money (implicitly, you will be happy) and had no time to consider such ideas as happy/interesting (I got degree in engineering-because it paid the most and my adviser said I scored well in science and math). That is what "advisers" did back then. Look at what you scored well on and point you that way-never asked what you like to do etc. Sad really. Anyway, my thinking was a guy without any "real" money wasn't worth much, as neither choice was available; happy nor interesting. Fortunately, I was lucky enough to find the first love of my life just out of college. She was all the things I (and most guys) wanted: gorgeous, loyal, easy going, independent, tremendous cook….gorgeous. She was however, not college educated and did not know various "facts" that I thought the mother of my children should know. Things like what prompted World War I. Why it was important to check/understand for yourself and "do the math" proving Einstein's E=MC^2 . Dated her for 6 years and "couldn't take it anymore." She was so happy, while knowing so little. This was my happy doesn't work relationship (I was a fool). Next, I was incredibly lucky (sarcasm) enough to find a women who was all the things the first woman wasn't, other than she was gorgeous too (guy's will be guy's-just being honest). So, this women was extremely educated, multifaceted (MBA who did stand-up comedy on the side), couldn't boil an egg, a bit clingy, and of course everything was up for debate. I will call this interesting. We couldn't agree on which movie to see or what recently positively reviewed restaurant to visit much less which couch to buy. She ended up clinically depressed and I "was the root of it" per her psychologist. Needless to say that ended that (this relationship lasted 6 years too). Next, the good engineer in me took tally of what was good with the first and good with the second and tried to find someone who had both. Surely, that's the answer. As luck would have it, I found her too (I dated a lot). Absolutely, brilliant, happy wonderful, gorgeous woman. Long story (sorry) and for the sake of brevity I will just say that I started getting daily migraine headaches (I wonder why) and was often in a foul mood and she left (can't say I blame her). Since then I solved he migraine issue (diet related-of all things…). Anyway, I learned more from these women than reading every book on Amazon (and I have read them all-Amazon serves 'em up on "readers who chose this book also enjoyed ….."). The answer (for me) is you gotta have BOTH, but not necessarily simultaneously. Do a little interesting. Plan a trip to Morocco. Learn a little language, history and then go meet the people, see it and feel it. Exhausted? Great. Then chill a bit with content and happy. Eat drink and be merry kinda stuff …getting tired of that? Grab some interesting. Works for me …now if I can just find a woman who likes this stuff. Ha-Ha. I'll find ya.
Keep removing the fog Penelope- just LOVE Love love you. And John Lennon would have loved you too!
Posted by Tom on December 2, 2010 at 1:03 pm | permalink |
Maybe Jews are more doubting, angsting and dark than some Christians, but not than Catholics.
Posted by Laura on December 2, 2010 at 1:21 pm | permalink |
There are plenty of angst filled Christians- even in Wisconsin.
And if you don't believe me do a google search on some of these books:
Dark Night of the Soul by St John of the Cross
The Cloud of Unknowing
Come Be My Light by Mother Theresa
New Seeds of Contemplation by Thomas Merton
anything Dostoevstky wrote ever…
Seems to me that the angsty Christians are the ones that tend to be the most private about their faith. At least that's how I am.
Just sayin.
Posted by Eileen LeBlanc on December 2, 2010 at 1:25 pm | permalink |
I haven't yet read the other comments so forgive me for any redundancy. I am reminded of Fran Lebowitz who said something like this: happiness is a feeling not a condition. so go ahead and feel happy when it strikes you. your thoughts and conflicts and so-called darkness must result in many happy feelings along the way, no matter how fleeting. I happen to be Christian and subscribe to the thought that I am a work in progress toward becoming more Christlike. That is not stability or contentment but can result in happiness from time to time. Happy Hanukah to you and your family.
Posted by dianna on December 2, 2010 at 3:19 pm | permalink |
Interesting subject! Gandhi said happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony. So if you're a questioning Jew who likes angst and exploring conflict and self-doubt that must in some way make you happy right? What would make you unhappy is to impose rules that you can't question things and must act in a way inconsistent with what does make you happy.
Happy people are not always content and can certainly be both creative and interesting. I think what you're saying is that you feel YOU wouldn't feel creative and interesting if you were happy and content in the way that Jeanenne is happy. That's very true. But if you follow your own angst-driven path I suspect you do feel a measure of happiness because it's truly you.
One major thing that Jeanenne has going for her is a community of people who believe as she does and support her. As I read your post I thought that is one thing you're missing. You have your family but you don't have a community of like-minded folks in Wisconsin to support you. That can be a real challenge.
Posted by sandy on December 7, 2010 at 2:16 am | permalink |
You CAN have an interesting life AND a happy life, however, you CAN'T have an interesting life and an EASY life.
Posted by S on December 2, 2010 at 3:28 pm | permalink |
Absolutely agree with this one!
Posted by THE-LOUDMOUTH on February 19, 2012 at 10:04 am | permalink |
Great post Penelope!
I love it when you take on this subject, I'd join the backlash any day.
Posted by Caitlin on December 2, 2010 at 4:20 pm | permalink |
1) Contentment is not a path, nor is it happiness.
2) "Happiness" is an impossible abstraction and cannot be arrived at via a path – it is not "out there" to be won, or achieved.
3) Asking questions and searching in dark places does not contradict this "happiness" and it is not exclusively a Jewish phenomenon.
4) An interesting life and a happy life are not mutually exclusive. Not even most of the time.
5) The opposite of happiness is boredom.
6) Happiness is shallow. I agree that people should stop looking for it. Meaning is deep. Go find that.
Posted by Peter on December 2, 2010 at 4:48 pm | permalink |
I love this! Spiritual evolution demands going beyond the limits someone else sets for you, or even those you set for yourself. "Enforced unaninimity" is mass spiritual suicide. Give me the edge of the new field just beyond the fence. THIS is why I prefer goats to sheep.
Posted by Granny Kate on December 2, 2010 at 4:58 pm | permalink |
This post was great and totally cracked me up. A great way to start my Friday work day. Thanks!
Posted by Sandra on December 3, 2010 at 8:41 am | permalink |
Penelope, may I suggest some more research into the Jehovah's Witnesses? You may be surprised by what you find.
And, just because some folks build a new 'kingdom hall' (which probably wasn't needed in the first place), doesn't mean they aren't giving money hand over fist.
Posted by LK on December 3, 2010 at 9:26 am | permalink |
"Now that I'm a Jew among Christians, I realize that the big difference isn't Jesusâthe big difference is that Jews are always asking more questions. Jews celebrate doubt, angst, and searching in dark places. We love that stuff."
EX-freakin'-actly!! What's the Talmud all about? Questioning. Being irreverent.
Fantastic post Penelope. Thanks.
Posted by ioana on December 3, 2010 at 10:41 am | permalink |
The most interesting conversations are about the challenges, triumphs and depressing times people have been through. When I listen to people who have it all together and life just goes swimmingly for them, I am bored. I move on. If someone tells me about their unfortunate circumstances and i think wow, it sucks to be you… this is an interesting conversation. It's almost like you have to figure out why things went wrong and see if there is a next step for them.
I walk away from conversations like this ( ie- a lady i spoke with the other day whose son is bipolar and in the hospital) and I remember them sometimes a year later and think I wonder how they are doing now?
Posted by Jody Urquhart on December 3, 2010 at 2:57 pm | permalink |
Jehovah's Witnesses go door to door because we 'don't' think we're better than others. Please open them. Regards.
Posted by Margarett on December 3, 2010 at 9:48 pm | permalink |
Hahaha – loved this post. I was raised Catholic and in my 40s got so torqued with the Catholic church that I tried to become an Episcopalian. I failed because the Catholic guilt kept eating away at me.
This year, I missed getting the Hanukkah presents to my sister-in-law by 2 days. Now I am plagued by both Catholic and Jewish guilt. Oy.
Happy Hanukkah!
Posted by Mairzy on December 5, 2010 at 4:50 am | permalink |
the only way one can live a happy and interesting life(i feel one can do both) is if one defines for himself/herself the meaning of 'happy' and 'interesting', and not be beholden to society's ever-fluctuating definitions(think: Fight Club).
though positive psychology attempts to paint happiness onto someone, rejecting it without emphasizing a deeper understanding of happiness and what it means to live an interesting life(which you havent done, thank you Penelope) might lead some to conclude that being a sullen depressed son-of-a-gun is the only way to live life. When you lose a friend to suicide, you get quite angry when you hear folks talk about how being 'unhappy' is the way to live life.
between cheerleader-happy and fan-depressed, there is the mentality of the athlete: fight like hell, leave it all on the field and walk off with the mind & heart of a champion, regardless of the score.
Posted by Varun on December 5, 2010 at 6:37 pm | permalink |
Never thought the jews that read this blog were so insecure.
You are comparing yourself with a cleaning lady who lives in the rural area of the Midwest, AND from a minor Christian denomination, and claim that Jews ask more questions than Christians.
I could compare the wig-wearer orthodox Jewish lady who manages the dry cleaners by my place, with my nonpracticing Christian philosophy-majored friends, and come up with the opposite conclusion.
Posted by Gretchen on December 6, 2010 at 7:48 am | permalink |
I don't get your take on the picture. Of course the cow prefers fresh tender green grass to what's on her side of the fence.
And hooray for disquietude and questioning. But don't forget the process is meant to get you somewhere. There's truth out there. If you're a Jew, you've got a yearning soul for a reason.
Posted by chana on December 6, 2010 at 9:33 pm | permalink |
@Chana beautifully said!!
Posted by EstherAsna on December 7, 2010 at 11:49 am | permalink |
Fascinating – I found your blog via your article on BNET. It's funny; I once also said something similar to what you did to a fundamental Christian re reading the Bible in the original. I don't think they liked it. But let's do so – actually this is from the Mishnah- Oral Law, Pirkei Avot or Chapters of the Fathers – Eizeh hu Ashir – Sameach B'Chelko – an idea mentioned by at least one other poster here. It means Who is Rich? He who is happy with his lot. Jews always like to dig deeper and that is why we have the Torah to plumb its depths and learn and question endlessly until we come to the truth. And re being happy – there is one key way to do that and it's called Emunah. Check out http://www.lazerbrody.typepad.com/ He translated a phenomenal book that I just read through. It can really change someone's life. You can be questioning and thinking and happy all at the same time
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BTW Not sure if you are anywhere near Milwaukee but I hear there is an amazing family there called the Twerskis that I would love to learn from.
Posted by EstherAsna on December 7, 2010 at 6:17 am | permalink |
@ Esther
No offense, but I find this amusing: Isn't the Torah almost the same as the Christian's Old Testament? I mean, where is the questioning to
– Don't eat pork;
– Don't work on Saturdays, and
– if you are a woman, please cover your head with a wig.
For me Orthodox Judaism = Fundamental Christianism =
Fundamental Islam.
And again, no offense to anybody.
Posted by Gretchen on December 7, 2010 at 11:38 am | permalink |
Why can't an interesting life also be happy overall though? If you have an "interesting" life, then I'm guessing that it is that way because you had a lot of struggles and obstacles which may have been less than pleasant but that doesn't mean your life can't be happy as a whole. I don't get why you have to choose.
It's also happen to have a boring, uneventful life and STILL be unhappy.
I read somewhere that happiness is a choice; you have to actively decide to be happy and not let others affect your emotions. Personally I veer on the unhappy side; I can't help it, it's just ingrained in my nature. I like to brood over things that could have or should have been.
Posted by nissan corona on December 7, 2010 at 11:03 am | permalink |
Another thing the Jews I've known are drawn to is extreme states of being.
To skeptical, searching people (like archetypal Jews), the poles of life are the stable places. Moderation (say, between misery and contentment, or Jew-consciousness or Witness-consciousness) is an untenable position, almost as boring or soulcrushing but harder to hold onto.
The state most strive for – balance – is revealed as an illusion: a life in balance is, finally, not natural. Contentment is a state unattainable without resigning ourselves to a rigid discipline of the mind and heart, that not all of us are made for.
Posted by Paul on December 8, 2010 at 2:27 pm | permalink |
@Paul – Jews are about debate and discussion and learning, and faith in G-d, *NOT* skepticism. And yes, we can all achieve balance if we exert ourselves. G-d created us to perfect ourselves and achieve our soul corrections. Please check out the following site:
http://www.ohrtmimim.org/Torah_Default.asp?id=939
Have a great day,
EstherAsna
Posted by EstherAsna on December 8, 2010 at 3:40 pm | permalink |
@Gretchen: Are you serious? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Uup2wwVa0 Hear the noise as those boys learn Talmud with their study partners? The Torah is not a static book like the "Old Testament." Jews have a Written Torah and an Oral Torah, and we have a rich heritage of arguing, reasoning, & struggling with the Torah in order to a.) apply the laws correctly, and b.) come closer to understanding the Divine. Sorry but I think you misunderstand what questioning means in this context.
Posted by chana on December 8, 2010 at 11:17 pm | permalink |
@ Chana –
Genesis. Exodus. Leviticus. Numbers. Deuteronomy.
Same books, in both Jewish written Torah and Christian Bible.
Re 'static' Old Testament: there are hundreds of different Christian denominations. Each of them can also say they "argue, reason, & struggle", looking for guidance and mysticism in their sacred books.
Orthodox Jews and Fundamental Christians have more in common that they want to recognized.
Posted by Gretchen on December 9, 2010 at 7:08 pm | permalink |
@Gretchen – dare I try again? sigh…All of their different "versions" are translations and therefore interpretations of the original. If they are "struggling" to find the truth…let them start here:
http://www.ohrtmimim.org/Torah_Default.asp?id=939
Posted by EstherAsna on December 9, 2010 at 7:20 pm | permalink |
I agree that happiness is overrated. I disagree that happy and interesting are mutually exclusive. If you are happy because you follow some rules (Jehovah's witness, e.g.) and nothing is challenging you, that's more like being asleep than being happy. You may be more COMFORTABLE sticking your head in the sand, but when the tractor trailer bearing down on you hits, you won't be so happy. There's a difference.
In a zen sort of way, happiness is beside the point. It comes and goes, as do most feelings. Interesting is also elusive. I don't think it works to be invested in or identified with either one. YOU are so much more than happiness or interesting. I guess I'm in favor of stillness, which doesn't interfere with happy or interesting, but does allow you to experience a much larger picture.
Posted by Sally on December 9, 2010 at 6:02 am | permalink |
@ EstherAsna
Thanks for the link. It proved my point.
The 3 religions say "My G-d is better than yours" while they all worship the same deity of Abraham and Moses.
Really, get a Bible and read something from Exodus. It's the same thing, word for word, than the Jewish Exodus.
Btw the "struggling" part was an answer to another comment, that said
"we have a rich heritage of arguing, reasoning, & struggling with the Torah".
My point was, there are some Christians that can also say the same about the Bible.
Thanks again for the link.
Posted by Gretchen on December 10, 2010 at 9:10 am | permalink |
Gretchen:
1. Proof, please, for your claim that "[t]he 3 religions say 'my G-d is better than yours' while they all worship the same deity of Abraham and Moses." Doesn't mesh with my experiences at all. Would people say "my way of serving G-d is better than yours?" Absolutely. But would they say "my G-d is better than yours?" No way. Doesn't make sense within the basic theology of any of those three.
2. Exodus for a Jew and Exodus for a Christian are night and day. Christians see it as a story of deliverance and love, and look at it as part of a larger story culminating in what they mistakenly believe was an empty tomb. For Jews it is a.) part of a Cliffs-Notes version of halacha–the written part is just the surface, the details are in the oral tradition, and b.) about the unique relationship between G-d and the Jewish people, our history and purpose, and how to be a proper Jew.
3. Sure, Christians reason and struggle with the Bible, but it is not the same type of questioning that Jews do. Christians aren't trying to figure out how best to apply halacha and how to behave correctly within the unique status of the Chosen People, with all the mitzvot and special responsibilities that entails. Christians are mostly hunting for clues to Yeshka or talking about literary themes or the Code of Hammurabi etc.
Posted by chana on December 12, 2010 at 11:33 am | permalink |
@ Chana
1. From http://www.ohrtmimim.org/Torah_Default.asp?id=939
"The Jews worship a completely different G-d than all the other religions, and it is this G-d that all mankind eventually will be worshiping."
Translation: My xxx is better than yours, or even more, my xxx is the only God.
2. Again, word by word, Exodus is the same thing. Any non-religious person reads that thing, and will not see any.difference.whatssoever. That each group interpreted the words is a different way, is another story.
3. Thanks so much for your answers. It's fun to see how predictable the intolerance is among all the "believers".
Have a pleasant holiday
Posted by Gretchen on December 21, 2010 at 4:14 pm | permalink |
Your Jehovah's Witness house manager will have you down as an "interested person" and will likely be "reporting time" for the hours she spends discussing JW matters with you, or sending you email responses about masturbation.
Going along to the "quickly built" meeting place will have earned her kudos from the other Witnesses.
It's a shame that, while some JWs are happy not questioning where their religion came from, others die through blindly obeying the "unnamed person" who tells her that platelets are forbidden by God, but some minor fractions of blood aren't.
Good post.
Posted by Mark Hunter on December 14, 2010 at 3:09 am | permalink |
sporadic reader of your blog. (always enjoy it.)
not sure how to say this without sounding annoying.
but. you had a hell childhood. likely lived in at least one crap nyc apt. gained and lost jobs/businesses. had a "deformed" baby (your word, not mine). moved to madison (which i know is supposed to be nice, but still). divorced. met someone new. broke up/made up. re-married. etc.
don't you think / haven't you noticed yet, that no matter what crap comes along, things are pretty much fine? that either you get used to it or change it. and that you keep doing this over and over. you haven't been homeless, or destitute, or friendless or lonely — at least not for long. so, in the mean time — between now and when more crap comes, maybe stop thinking about it so much. save the energey that goes into being uptight and semi miserable?
just a thought. that's what occurred to me one day, after 40 years of distraction.
Posted by Millie on December 14, 2010 at 11:06 pm | permalink |
Sometimes happiness is like love, you will find it when you stop looking for It
Posted by Sai on December 15, 2010 at 11:11 pm | permalink |
you likes very happy in the pic, why stop happy?
never stop smile, whatever happen….
Posted by lisa angela on December 18, 2010 at 6:57 am | permalink |
Just want to make an observation…you look so HAPPY in the pic of you visiting the kingdom hall build. Do you normally look so happy when stressed and thinking of way to not be happy???
Posted by mister on December 26, 2010 at 9:41 am | permalink |
Very interesting post.. really enjoyed reading it. The one particular statement "…you cannot have both a happy life and an interesting life …" reminded me of Hugh Mcleod's (of gapingvoid.com) wolf vs. sheep cartoon print – http://bit.ly/aiZC.
I have to explore more of your blog and writing.
Keep writing!
Thx.
Gaurav
Posted by Gaurav Kishore on December 26, 2010 at 6:25 pm | permalink |
This post didn't go where I thought it would go. I thought you would get into how your new housemanager wouldn't take on certain parts of your household management because of religious differences. I thought it would turn into a discussion of how women end up being the ones responsible for holidays even when they have help. But this is probably because my blood is still boiling from someone asking me if my 14-year-old consulting firm is a cottage business the other day.
Posted by Andrea Coutu on January 8, 2011 at 2:09 pm | permalink |
My Mother (over the phone): "How are things? Are you stressed?
Me: "Yes."
Mother: "Good. You're happy."
Posted by Nina on August 27, 2011 at 7:33 pm | permalink |
Lucky for those of us who read you that you don't want to be happy
Posted by Wim Chase on January 4, 2012 at 2:11 pm | permalink |