Almost everyone should forget about making money directly from blogging. It's so unlikely that it's a total waste of your time trying. I am actually shocked at how ubiquitous the idea is that blogging is a get-rich-quick scheme. Or even a get-rich-slowly scheme. It's not. Blogging is a great career tool for creating opportunities for yourself. But here are eight reasons you should stop thinking about money from blogging:
1. Big bloggers come from big media.
Usually I'm the first person to rip on print media as outdated and a dead-end career. But here's something that maybe you don't realize: Most big bloggers today have a strong background writing for print. For example: Erik Schoenfeld (TechCrunch), Owen Thomas (Valleywag), and I all wrote for Business 2.0 magazine at the same time. Ten years ago. Which means we had a ton of national media experience before we started blogging. Anya Kamenetz (Yahoo Finance) wrote for the Village Voice and had a very serious book published—before she started blogging.
2. Sure, there are exceptions. But you're probably not one of them.
Let's look at some people who have big blogs who didn't come from big media. Heather Armstrong at Dooce. She's a good one. Here's what she has that you don't: She's a talented writer and a talented designer. She's married to a developer who does all her tech stuff for free. And she has an amazing story to tell. She has the ability to translate her genius across many media—photography, memoir, twitter, and so on. She is a marvel. And you are not. None of us is. That's why she is making so much money from her blog.
3. Even if you can do it, supporting yourself with a blog is crazy hard.
Most people had to do their day job and experiment with their blog and figure out what works and then do two, pretty much full-time jobs, and then quit their day job when their blog earned enough money. JD Roth did this at Get Rich Slowly. I did this with my blog (and nearly fell apart). Most people who do this do not have kids. Because if you have kids and a job you already have two full-time jobs, so you cannot add another. Blogging to support yourself is a complete full-time job. Read Gina Trapani's post about how she is taking a break from blogging because it’s so life-consuming.
4. You probably have to be controversial to make money blogging.
Yes, there are some topics that do not require controversy: Productivity tools, for example. I think it's safe to say, though, that that market is pretty saturated. You will have to find a good niche for yourself in order to stand out from the crowd. So you will have to be different, and the bloggers who are different have surprising things to say. And if you have surprising opinions, you'll have people who tell you you're an idiot. And if you are making good money from your blog, you'll have hundreds of people telling you how you're an idiot. Do you want that? Really? Will you be able to write another controversial opinion the next day or will you be too nervous?
5. You can make more money flipping burgers.
If you want to get your opinions out into the world, or you want to write a diary about your life, whatever—do that. But why do you have to make money at it? Most of you would probably like to write a bit, to get new opportunities, and then leverage the blog to do something fun. Most of you do not want to write blog posts optimized for advertisers. Really.
6. Please shut up about your book deal.
Books are not cash cows. They are time sinks. And they are marketing tools for something else. Like a consulting business or a speaking career or a blog. And people who are great speakers are seldom great writers, and vice versa. So don't tell me you are doing a blog to get a book deal: Dead end. And don't tell me it's not a dead end because you'll turn that into a speaking career. Show me someone that has worked for. Don't tell me about Seth Godin. He had huge books before he started blogging. Not the other way around.
7. Blog for better reasons than money.
There are a lot of reasons to blog, but for the most part, money is not one of them. In the book, Blog Blazers: 40 Top Bloggers Share Their Secrets, Stephane Grenier asked forty bloggers what their definition of blogging success is. He talked with people like Seth Godin, Neil Patel, Ramit Sethi, and me. We all make a living online, and we all have big blogs, but almost no one in the book said money was the definition of success.
Bloggers defined success as things that mattered in their life: influence, connections, friendships, the ability to lead a conversation that matters to people. Some talked about a blog leading to other business opportunities.
8. Banner advertising is the mafia.
I have not had banner advertising on my site because I am so adamant that people should not blog to earn money—I don't want to encourage anyone. I did take one ad. For Career Bags. I'm going to tell you something: The amount they paid for that ad was insignificant to me. But they let me do a lot of shopping on the site for free. Which was a huge treat. Shopping was fun. And I think about how much I love my blog every time I put my laptop into my Casauri bag.
I would never say that about a banner ad. But I am about to capitulate and sign a contract with Federated Media, the by-far-biggest company for online ad sales. Federated is sort of doing me a favor. I mean, I have about 400,000 page views a month, which I think is less traffic than any of their other clients. I'm grateful to be part of Federated because I do, in fact, need to make money from my blog. But what I have done to get here—work two jobs at once while raising kids, sell equity in my blog and then almost go out of business, and spend about four hours on each post—you probably wouldn't want to go through all that just to make money on banner ads. You probably have a way more efficient mechanism for earning money and you can blog on the side.
This seems like a good time to tell you the advice my writing teacher gave our who class in graduate school: Writing for a living is a very, very hard life. If you can do anything else for a living, you should.
So the idea that blogging will help you get rich: Forget it. Your chances of that are so slim, while your chances of gaining the other benefits of blogging are very high. So blog, yes, and do it to reach real goals, just not financial goals.









Why would I check my blog page views when I only have three readers and I am two of them?
Posted by Alan Wilensky on 04/21/2009 at 10:06am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Alan,
I laughed out loud when I read that. You sound like me. The 3rd is my mother. :)
Posted by Erin on 04/21/2009 at 08:42pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
hello erin.
just want to let you know that i appreciate your positive comment about blogging.
my question is how do you start blogging? did you start getting your own domain name and also hosting? is it good to do it on a wordpress or something free hosting? please let me know.thanks
Posted by irah on 2009-11-27 15:37:43 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
Actually Penelope. I make 1.2 million a year directly from selling bags of my charisma from my blog.
In reality, I wish more people understood this because it would save me from having to answer a ton of e-mails about how people can get wealthy and monetize their blogs.
Blogs = great connections, and a great chance to show who you are, the way you think, etc. You CAN leverage your blog content for other opportunities (i.e. speaking gigs, consulting opportunities). You mentioned this of course.
The way I look at it there are very few that make any money directly from blogging. A few more that leverage their content, and then plenty that just use it as a tool to learn more about their passions and interests.
Posted by Ryan Stephens on 04/21/2009 at 10:15am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Love this comment, Ryan. You are so on target about what blogs are good for.
And the stuff you list, great connections, a chance to show who you are and how you think — this is what really conveys how valuable a person is.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on 04/21/2009 at 10:31am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Loved the whole post.
Brilliant.
"Banner advertising is the mafia."
You laid it out so well. I do not have traffic-based ads on my personal site for the same reason. They used to give other bloggers, especially MommyBloggers, the impression I am raking in cash from them.
When personal bloggers talk about making money directly from their blogs, it is almost never enough to support a family. Most personal blogs earn very little.
Great post!
Posted by Alli Worthington on 04/21/2009 at 10:29am | permalink | Reply to this comment
In review…
I am not going to get rich…
I am not THAT talented…
I can't quit my full-time job…
I need to be more controversial…
And I am not getting a book deal any time soon…
Wow. I feel like crap. But the truth hurts.
Maybe I could write a blog entry about going nowhere. And fast.
Oh well. I will just have to get rich the old fashioned way.
By winning the Lottery…
Posted by principalspage on 04/21/2009 at 10:47am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Or you could get rich the old fashioned way if inheritance or the lottery don't work for you – hard work producing things or services of measurable value.
Posted by Steve on 04/21/2009 at 10:55am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Ya. I mean, if something is hard, we probably just shouldn't even try to do it. That's the message you're giving here right? Well, if that's the case, isn't starting a company like Brazen Careerist hard? You should probably just give up. You'd be more stable flipping burgers.
Do I expect to make a full-time living off my blog tomorrow? No. Do I know that the more effort I put in, the more I'm going to get out of it, in a variety of ways? Yes.
I'm a 20-something and I don't have kids, and I love my blog and I have tons of time to commit to it.
And I still kind of believe that you have to dream big with things like blogs, so, as the old saying goes, if you shoot for the moon and miss, at least you'll land among the stars.
You say corny, I say goal-oriented.
Posted by crystal lindell on 04/21/2009 at 10:58am | permalink | Reply to this comment
With all due respect, I would not put all of my eggs into this basket from a monetary perspective. I'll admit that I'm not an expert in online marketing, but as a web application developer I can certainly see the challenges. In my humble opinion, blogging is arguably the worst way to make money online. Pay per click advertising for the most part pays terribly, and it is crooked scam. The advertiser get exposure and space on your site for free even if no one clicks. As for renting out space for your site, you must first must gain a high level of traffic, a level of traffic that a shared host simply will not allow. You will have to upgrade to either a virtual private server or an actual private server, both of which will a good deal more than shared hosting, especially if you don't know how to administer it.
If you have other goals with your blog, that is fine, but if you goal is to make money online, I would look to other streams of revenue.
Posted by Anthony on 04/21/2009 at 05:04pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Well put. Don't give up on your goals just because some bitter naysayer can't deal with the changing nature of journalism. If you feel you have something of value, then share it and see what happens. She is meeeeaan.
Posted by just some ignorant blogger on 02/03/2010 at 07:58am | permalink | Reply to this comment
This is a great post and rings true to me on all counts. I have read and commented on numerous blogs and I am still amazed to this day the amount of talent exhibited on them. Talent which includes writing, content, coding, and design. As you say, these blogs are not directly being monetized but rather contributing in other aspects of the blogger's life. Also the amount of time and expertise required for some of these exceptional blogs require specialists of various disciplines such as editing, graphic design, SEO optimization, etc. I know this to be true just from reading your posts. Thanks for relating your experiences with blogging.
Posted by Mark W. on 04/21/2009 at 11:04am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Still waiting to hear what you have to say on us Aspergers' actually doing well in today's workforce.
Posted by jrandom42 on 04/21/2009 at 11:12am | permalink | Reply to this comment
You probably have to be controversial to make money blogging.
Can I just say how tired I am of the kooky fringe bloggers who write and say outrageous and insane things just to get site traffic or get on the Today Show? As someone who rides their blog analytics button like it's a slot machine, I fully understand why site traffic is equivalent to what (I can only imagine) crystal meth is. But I refuse to play the attention-getting whacked out statement game in the hopes of gaining traffic for the use of making money. I see too many people take the "all publicity is good publicity" approach and it's just sad.
In the end, monetizing is all about leverage.
Posted by Alicia on 04/21/2009 at 11:18am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hallelujah!
Posted by Carol on 04/21/2009 at 12:22pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This a bit ironic, since your mini-me, Jamie Varon, is seeking a book deal from her blog, and has a distracting amount of advertising on her blogs. Shouldn't you be talking to her about this stuff?
Also, how can you sell equity in your blog if you don't generate revenue from it? Serious question.
Posted by Anna on 04/21/2009 at 11:20am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Same way Twitter sells equity in Twitter without generating any revenue: Brand and audience.
-Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on 04/21/2009 at 11:37am | permalink | Reply to this comment
When the hell did I become Penelope Trunk's "mini-me"? Thanks Anna. Considering the success that Penelope is experiencing (400,000 page views a month), I'd be more than happy to clone that.
Posted by Jamie Varon on 04/21/2009 at 12:18pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Jamie, I consider you her mini-me because you've interned with her, and you're obviously trying to become her. I've read a lot of what you write, and you seem to be trying really hard to be PT 2.0, from your writing style to your approach.
I'm not saying that it's a bad thing or a good thing. But I do think it's a pretty clear fact, and I'm not the only one who's noticed.
Posted by Anna on 2009-04-21 12:23:44 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
I want to fail on my own with my non-book deal and my non-making money blog. Did you read Chris Guillebeau's manifesto he just put out? It's called "279 Days to Overnight Success." It's a stark contrast to what you presented here, which I can only describe as naysaying.
This is practical advice. No one could disagree with you there.
However, do you really want to be the one to come in and say that someone's dreams are too high for them? I want to make money from blogging. So, what? Let me fail at that on my own. And I've wanted to write a book since I was old enough to read – just ask my parents. And, giving all that up because it's difficult to accomplish is really silly.
You set an example. You CAN make money from blogging. You've published a book. You have started and are running companies. You are doing what a lot of us want to do. I say instead of being a naysayer and chopping down what we want to do, you offer up some insight into how maybe we can get a little closer to where we want to be. You have an unending supply of empowering advice to offer up, but you go with: "It's too hard. Don't even try"?
You own a company designed to empower youth to go for what they want. Then you write a post denouncing the dreams of some of your audience. That doesn't match up.
Posted by Jamie Varon on 04/21/2009 at 12:38pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
One thing that has served me really well in my career is that I look at my options and I go for the most likely to succeed.
Research about which entrepreneurs fail and which succeed is very interesting. It's not about personality type — a smart entrepreneur can surround himself or herself with complementing skill sets.
The entrepreneurs who succeed are actually very risk averse and are constantly looking to hedge their bets (a partner with a different skill set, taking in investors to spread risk, etc).
We are each entrepreneurs in our careers, and I can tell you for sure that aiming for high-risk goals won't get you far. High risk goals have low-risk of panning out. Instead, look for the intersection of what you want and what is likely to work,and do that.
If you love to write, blogging is likely to work. If you love to write, aiming for a Nobel Prize is likely to be a waste of time.
It might look, from the outside, like the people with huge success are huge risk takers, but I think that is not the case. People who want success look at what we can possibly do to be happy and we look at what is likley to succeed and find something there.
Things like shooting for the moon with a blog, or getting the very rare book deal that changes your life strike me as unnecessary risk, and generally a waste of time and talent that could be directed somewhere else.
Wait. I thought of one more thing: I did not move out to Los Angeles to play professional beach volleyball until I was sure I was the best amateur female beach player in Chicago: I hedged my risk. What I'm saying is that even if you are incurably drawn to a crazy dream, you can still hedge yourself to get there.
Why shoot for the moon? The players who win at hearts never shoot the moon.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on 2009-04-21 12:44:48 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
I want to thank you, Penelope, for suggesting that I even start a blog. Combining my fervor for social justice, internet research skills, writing skills and general knowledge about economics, business and accounting has resulted in a unique blog where I break the news stories about the current financial crisis down into understandable terms for people.
I'm sort of controversial (see number 4 above) in the fact that I subtitle my blog, "Become an economic terrorist!" I'm telling people to do their part to bring down the entire financial system and stop feeding the animals…STOP PAYING ON YOUR LOANS! Bring the system down and rebuild, from scratch, society in a more equitable fashion.
I'm still trying to figure out what to do with "Boner" though. I think I'll reconstruct it into something more of a social commentary about gender role expectations than a scientific paper. I would love to have feminine input in that reconstruction though. Maybe a blog could invite such input?
Posted by John Feier on 04/21/2009 at 11:25am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think this is a great post. Honest about the reality of the business.
Everybody has an opinion. But not everyone has a voice. And there's the misconception I think people tend to have: "I have something to say, I should be able to turn that into a profitable online "brand.""
You make it look easy, Penelope. Thanks for articulating that "easy" came from your decade+ of work you put in.
Posted by david on 04/21/2009 at 11:29am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I know you've said this already but I'll repeat it because it's been really important to me. You can definitely get a job because of your blog. My blog has been great at getting me interviews and job offers. And a radio interview. So, in that way, it can make you money.
But I blog because I've been writing since I was 5 and I don't know how not to write. Blogging is just another way to write. That more people can see my writing when I blog as opposed to writing in a diary under my bed is fun but it's not the reason I do it. And I absolutely would hate people telling me I'm dumb 600 times a day and it's starting to happen to me on a bigger blog I contribute to and it just makes me anxious. Even if I do have Dooce-sized fantasies, I hate how the internet is like road rage–people saying shit to you they never would if they were 12 inches from your face.
Of course, Penelope, you will get comments saying, "This post is dumb! You're a writer so stop telling me not to write!" But the advice is more compelling from you because you are actually doing what people daydream about and know how much time and energy you have to put into something that seems effortless.
Posted by Joselle on 04/21/2009 at 11:29am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think i woudln't try to make money with my blog, cause it's something that i do for pleasure and not for bussiness, it relaxes me. And if i gotta start thinking about money, i either will have to find another 'way out' for my energy or burn myself out.
On the other hand, i'm also writting a book. Cause i think that blogs are not always the best media to show everithing.
Vulgar.
ps. i've been a copywriter in an advertising agency for 6 years, so i agree on the first reason.
Posted by Vulgar on 04/21/2009 at 11:51am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Advice is, as they say, repackaged nostalgia. So as you often do, you've undermined your decent points by injecting your very special message of self-defeat.
She is a marvel. And you are not. None of us is.
I don't have a dog in this hunt — I've no interest in riches and the thought of getting rich off of blogging is downright amusing to me. Still: speak for yourself. It's clear that the above is absolutely true for you. I'm sorry that's the case. But given your young audience, many of your readers have ample time to become whatever marvel they aspire to be.
No one ever accomplished anything meaningful by accepting a low estimate of their own worth. I have met incredible people with truly stunning accomplishments and lives that are shockingly gratifying. Invariably, they each got there by accepting that love for their hard work would give them whatever reward they sought. Invariably, they advise others that they, too, can get there. Life is best lived without the acceptance of limitations.
With your level of practice, one would think you could make your points without resorting to this sort of ugliness. Then again, you write what you know, I suppose.
Posted by Danilo Campos on 04/21/2009 at 12:06pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think the comment about not being a marvel ties into a theme better developed in one of my favorite posts, http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2008/08/08/living-up-to-your-potential-is-bs/
High goals are great, but realism is still better. Full life goals, that aren't just directed at work, are more likely to lead to happiness. That's my take away from point #2.
Posted by Matt Secor on 04/21/2009 at 12:50pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
very well put Daniel. I read this and thought, ouch, harsh. And yet here she is making money from her blog. So it's more a "we're really good and you haven't done it yet so don't even bother trying to find out how good you are."
All writers have to start somewhere. Dooce wasn't anyone special until she got sacked for writing about her work and became an example of what not to do. She could have been the world's most brilliant writer but without that publicity no one would have known. So what's to say that people with smaller blogs or who haven't started yet aren't as talented?
Everyone has something to say and it's usually worth listening to.
Posted by Nicola on 04/22/2009 at 07:10pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
As Steven Pressfield stated, writing is not the difficult part. Sitting down to write is. The actual, real, daily time in the chair, hands at the keyboard. It is HARD to write for 4 hours straight on a good day. It can be downright torture on a bad day. It takes commitment, persistence, and grit, and the knowledge that it may never payoff, but you do it anyway.
My friend Will Terry is a fantastic childrens book illustrator. He makes much more income on his speaking engagements and school visits than he does from his actual book royalties.
All the best blogs I've read come from people who want to share their passion with the world. The people who intentionally set out to monetize their site usually end up writing phony-sounding posts peppered with obvious keywords and annoying MBA-speak.
Posted by Randy on 04/21/2009 at 12:08pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm confused by a few things in this post. You say that great speakers are seldom great writers, but that a book could be a marketing tool for a speaking career. These ideas seem to conflict.
That makes me think that a book would have more potential for marketing a blog than a speaking career. Actually though, it seems more realistic that a blog would be used for marketing a book, since a blog is free to access. It worked for you, and to use an example of someone who wasn't famous before blogging, waiterrant.net comes to mind, which I found from your blog. I'm having a hard time understanding how a book leads to a speaking career.
Posted by Matt Secor on 04/21/2009 at 12:35pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Some quick answers for those who are trying to plan careers moves from this comment stream….
It's very hard to book well-paying speaking gigs without a book to give you credibility. Not that this is how credibility *should* be established, but it is.
You do not need to be a great writer in order to write a book that supports a speaking career. Non-fiction books are not so much about great writing as great ideas and organization.
Waiter Rant is a great example. His writing is absolutely lovely and his is one of the first blogs I really connected with. But after all his blogging and book deal, he's still a waiter ;)
–Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on 04/22/2009 at 12:45pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'd think I'd call this mostly garden-variety cynicism. There are a lot of sweeping generalizations (Blogging is crazy hard? Harder than working a job you hate your whole life?) but you are right to start this post with the word 'almost.'
The main reason most bloggers will never make money is because most people just can't write compelling content. If your writing does not elicit a steady stream of overwhelming emotional reactions in people, you probably can't. Blogging is something anyone can do, but writing well certainly isn't.
Those who can do that are the exceptions. And there are plenty of them out there, though their numbers comprise only a fraction of the 120 million bloggers out there.
Posted by David Cain on 04/21/2009 at 12:37pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I wrote a four part series on underwriting risk on cloud computing client services. It was an important piece as far as the industry is concerned with the issues – not because I wrote it. But it took time, and didn't get a lot of reads. The most I can hope for is that insofar as my expertise is showcased, someone might hire me as a consultant to develop that product sector.
Hopefully soon, as I am not accustomed to being poor; living post boom has built my character and humility, though.
Posted by Alan Wilensky on 04/21/2009 at 12:37pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Last week, I received a surprise in snail mail – a book royalty check for $569. I was ecstatic. Yip! That brings the total I've made on royalties for the book I published with McGraw-Hill in 2004 to a whopping total of about $639. It's money to have my car fixed and maybe a dinner out. But NOT money to live on.
People have always had the annoying impression that book publishing equals dollars. Where does that idea come from??
And the same impression exists for blogging. People don't seem to understand that the success stories (in book publishing and blogging) represent about 1% of the population of those out there doing the work.
"Please shut up about your book deal." HA. Love it. Thanks, Penelope.
Posted by Elizabeth Pagano on 04/21/2009 at 12:44pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Making money through banner ads is indeed truly a hopeless endeavor for 99.9% of bloggers. For two reasons:
1) Your number of page views is hopelessly low. Even a ravingly successful blog at 400,000/mo is nothing to online advertisers. For agencies placing branded advertisers you need to be talking more like 400,000 a day. Even 400k/day is on the low end for banner ad media buyers.
2) Your blog is a "personal branding" blog or online diary that no one cares about. Advertisers want targeted audiences for their products. Also, what most people don't know is that "User Generated Content" is a dirty word to branded advertisers. Placing their ads on your site is an unacceptable risk to many of them. Even if you convince them to buy your traffic they'll be looking to pick it up at $1.00 or less per 1,000 page views, so 400,000 page views/month = $400/mo. Good luck supporting yourself on that (though Penelope probably gets better rates because her audience IS targeted).
Posted by Brian on 04/21/2009 at 01:01pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
There are product driven entrepreneurs that can't not take the risk – win, lose, or draw. The business press was all about the success stories, but there are legions of smart product driven folks that did not succeed.
Self publishing, in any medium, as a way to earn has become a business of followers with no inherent expertise. For those with real how-to or industry perspective, it can be lucrative. Example:
Fred Wilson, the VC, just writes whatever pops into his madcap brain and makes 30K a year on avc.com blog, which is astounding. Now, he spends time doing this, and I am sure he enjoys it; but compared to his presumed income, it is peanuts and almost a charity endeavor. Many of the avc.com blog readers are sycophants, and rightly so – they want to rub elbows with a funding source. So the synergy of a blog written by a powerful person wielding purse strings is a tough combo to beat.
However, Fred Wilson is not the first or only VC to write a blog, although he may be the most authentic and compelling of the lot.
True expertise is earned via work on oneself in one's vocation; not by writing five posts a day on subject one knows nothing about (save what one has read on other blogs and trade rags).
Posted by Alan Wilensky on 04/21/2009 at 01:11pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Brilliant post, spot-on and so wonderfully sensible. I think it relates to the old "can you make money doing what you love?" debate. There's blogging for love, and there's blogging as a personal branding move: the relationship between each of those and income should be clear to everyone by now.
On having a dream/ goal of making money directly from (advertising on) your blog despite this being impractical and unlikely: "getting rich by doing X" is not an dream worth having. You can focus productively on getting rich OR on doing X, but putting both goals together just dilutes them. Even pretending they are only one goal doesn't alter that.
Anyway, Penelope covers the very limited and demanding ways you CAN make money directly from your blog in this post: but extraordinary unusual successes are not normally the sort of thing one can just copy. Times change.
Hugh Macleod's cartoon about money and art has something to say about this, I think:
http://www.gapingvoid.com/Moveable_Type/archives/000750.html
Posted by Alice Bachini-Smith on 04/21/2009 at 01:14pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Speaking of making money blogging, I just saw this post by Jeff Jarvis.. more may be doing so than you think.
Also, Penelope — your audience isn't necessarily average. Yes, the average American isn't going to make money blogging — for one thing, the average American isn't that great a writer, and, as everyone knows, even good writers have trouble making money. But your audience likely skews toward the better read, better educated — dare I say you even have a few marvels reading Brazen Careerist? Don't be so quick to discourage.
Posted by Benjamin Lukoff on 04/21/2009 at 01:15pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I hope you realize that you just made making money from blogging all the more popular and desireable :)
People want the biggest things they can't have. To do this day, I still want to be a singer and I have no voice whatsoever.
People want a lot, but I think this post is great advice in terms of actually getting you something real and meaningful in the meantime. I particularly like the parts about hedging your bets.
I totally disagree with Jamie that this post doesn't show you how to get closer to your dreams. Indeed, I think it exposes the sides no one ever tells you so that you can do just that and create realistic plans of where you want to go.
Posted by Rebecca on 04/21/2009 at 01:23pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
We may have read this differently, then. Because, I read it as – don't even try, you won't make it in this business.
And, while that's probably true, it doesn't hurt to try. And a realistic post would have been, "8 things you need to know about making money from blogging." Instead, it's – 8 reasons why you should be disheartened to find out that someone who has lived in this business basically is telling you it's not possible to make money blogging and furthermore, it's silly to even want it.
How is this, "It's so unlikely that it's a total waste of your time trying" show you how to get closer to your dreams if your dream is to be a full time writer?
I'm all about seeing the reality of situations and am a very practical person, but this post is not empowering – it's quite the opposite in my opinion.
Posted by Jamie Varon on 04/21/2009 at 04:41pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This is timely:
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/is_america_home_to_as_many_paid_bloggers_as_lawyer.php
Posted by Alan Wilensky on 04/21/2009 at 01:29pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Great post and very true for most. I think money comes when people have something important to do or say, and for that reason only, they do or say it. When any of us sets out to do something with money as our only object, typically, the lack of authenticity, passion and heart ensure that nothing financially rewarding comes of it.
Posted by Elizabeth Zelinka on 04/21/2009 at 01:37pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Your first though should not be about making money. If your content is good enough, you will have advertisers coming to you. Don't give up your day job just yet.
Posted by Vik Dulat on 04/21/2009 at 02:24pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I make a whopping $100 a month on advertising on my first blog. That's for months and months of getting the site up, writing content, getting visitors etc. On my latest blog, I make absolutely zip. And I spend hours promoting it by writing posts, commenting on others' posts (thanks for reading!) and having the opportunity to give (unpaid) careers advice on a national newspaper. I do none of this for the money. And thank God I don't have children. I do it because I'm passionate about it, because I learn from it, and because I'm interested to see where I'll get with it.
Posted by Clare on 04/21/2009 at 02:26pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Well, it's true, and it ain't.
It's true because most bloggers think they are writers and not online entrepreneurs, and therefore, they excel at writing but stink at making their writing profitable. This is a mistake. If you want to make money online, you have to stop thinking of your blog as a platform for your ideas and start thinking of it as a sales tool. Its purpose is to: 1) get attention, 2) build trust, 3) direct people toward products they need to buy. The third one is the key.
It ain't true because everyone that does the above (and does it well) makes money. Brian Clark is now making seven figures a year and rising. Steve Pavlina, Naomi Dunford, and Yaro Starak make excellent incomes too. It's no accident that they all have an extremely entrepreneurial (not journalistic) focus. That's what it takes to build a profitable blog.
By the way, you're brilliant at #1 and #2. I've always been curious why you don't do more of #3.
Posted by Jon Morrow on 04/21/2009 at 02:41pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Actually, "most bloggers excel at writing" isn't exactly true. Have you seen what's out there?
Posted by Benjamin Lukoff on 04/21/2009 at 03:51pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Yes! Thank you! I tried telling my dad this, but he still thinks I can make money off my blog. Seriously…
I felt really sketchy adding banner ads to my blog last week. After reading this post this morning, I removed them. They are lame and annoying. If anything, I would only advertise companies I actually like through my blog posts.
Finally, Penelope, your last comment about research on why entrepreneurs fail and succeed made me remember very good and tangible advice that one of my mentors gave me last weekend about how to learn about life (yes, I have another mentor! :-)):
"Interview as many successful people as you can and ask them what they think makes them successful. Rinse and repeat." The last sentence was my addition to make it sound edgy.
Posted by Irina I on 04/21/2009 at 02:45pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
So basically, you're telling us that you're about to start running ads? Because there's nothing wrong with that. You don't have to apologize for having to feed your kids. We all have to feed our kids (or cats, or whatever).
You don't need all this smoke. Just run the ads. It's not a big deal.
Posted by Kerry on 04/21/2009 at 02:52pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Why this whole "you can't do this"-talk? Sure I can. No question about that.
Posted by alice hive on 04/21/2009 at 02:58pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks for sharing that WSJ article. I'd have to agree with Penelope and Megan that using blogs to pull in the big $$$ is only for the big media-types. A mommyblogger, like myself, would probably be better off posting mainly for other reasons other than financial. And if it were financial, have it not be the main source of income. Right???
Posted by Ria Haag on 04/21/2009 at 08:44pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
What a coincidence. The Wall Street Journal has an article today about how much bloggers make on the web:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124026415808636575.html
Megan McArdle, a blogger for The Atlantic, comments on that article and makes similar points as Penelope:
http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/04/blogging_for_big_bucks.php
Posted by Zach on 04/21/2009 at 03:04pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This sentence in #5 – "Most of you do not want to write blog posts optimized for advertisers. Really." is still sticking with me. I agree and it reminded me of something you wrote in a previous post. So I did a search on this blog and found 'The secret underbelly of blogging; why I'm done with linkbait' ( http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2008/01/31/why-im-done-with-linkbait/ ). Basically it's hard to know what's going to bring traffic to your blog and not all traffic is equal.
I would much rather concentrate on this advice – "So here's something I do know about links. The posts I spend weeks and weeks writing, and I put my heart right on the page, and I give advice that I really know is true, those posts do well. They get lots of links and lots of traffic. Which means the real linkbait is an interesting, useful, well-written posts." I have to believe a blog post optimized for an advertiser can really start to make things complicated.
Posted by Mark W. on 04/21/2009 at 03:11pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Get out of my way I don't want any competition!
Posted by Nick Stinemates on 04/21/2009 at 03:20pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
6. Please shut up about your book deal.
You mentioned your book Brazen in a blog post (eons ago) and that led to me gladly buying it. Many of my favorites originate from blog posts – like Nancy Duarte’s Slideology and Garr Reynolds’s Zen. I hope people don’t shut about their books – let alone pushing them, compels me to buy them – especially when they make a good case to read it…
Posted by Derek Z on 04/21/2009 at 04:27pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
ooohhh, which Casauri bag did you get? The stripes? Stripes are cool.
Posted by rennie on 04/21/2009 at 04:50pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Reading this post and then the comments reminds me of a "social media expert" in my city. She's a pushy PR girl, started her own "business" right out of university, equating public relations with fluff publicity. Then she discovered social media. And got very busy blogging, and now has more than a couple thousand followers on Twitter. Interviewed recently by a newspaper about how to make money from Twitter, she said she's already doing that. Because people are paying her now to talk about how to use twitter to make money. Huh? So her logic is that to make money from online media, you tell other people how to gather an audience online? Isn't that kinda a pyramid scheme, where the people at the bottom pay to learn what the people at the top paid to learn, until there aren't any new people wanting to pay…
Is that what a Ponzie scheme is? I always wondered what that word meant…
I liked this post. Vintage Penelope — good advice shot straight from the hip.
Posted by Carla on 04/21/2009 at 04:53pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
It's kind of like how Anthony Robbins and the rest became successful by giving advice on how to become successful.
I once worked at a print shop and this guy would come in every week to make copies for his business of "How to Make Thousands Stuffing Envelopes at Home." One day I actually read what he was printing. In a nutshell, it basically said: do to a bunch a people what I just did to you. Unreal.
Posted by Randy on 04/22/2009 at 10:57am | permalink | Reply to this comment
You're right on the money with this. I make a little extra money, but it's not proportional to the amount of time I spend doing the work. What it has done for me is help launch freelance work.
My major blog, Anglotopia.net has been a fantastic tool to open doors and help fund my hobbies. I also love using my blog to barter. I've exchanged ad space for goods and services that I couldn't justify spending the money on.
Not everyone gets rich blogging. If anything you can hope to make some pocket money. But it takes hard work. If you think it's easy, blogging is not for you.
Posted by jonathanwthomas on 04/21/2009 at 06:16pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I am not doing it for the money but I would love to see a few comments on my blog- Would any of you other posters like to look and tell me what's wrong…..
Posted by cheryl on 04/21/2009 at 06:38pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Cheryl
If you want PT's readership to bother clicking through to you, linking to your blog would be a start :-)
Posted by Shefaly on 04/22/2009 at 05:53am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Who are you again?
You are not honest period, and I don't care about the 30.000 subscribers, why ? because clearly the post is crafted to drive traffic to your blog/site, hence "controversial" in that you INSULT the reader indirectly by pushing some buttons and the put down tactic.
I can't even believe that some readers agree with you in this !?
Posted by Mike on 04/21/2009 at 06:46pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm quite grateful for this post.
It's a subject that's been on my mind a lot lately. Who is making money from all this time and obesssion? Not many. And not much.
My blog has been stealing me away from my other writing that does make me money. I am a published author and I love my book in progress but the poor thing is very neglected.
I'm going to keep up my blog because it's a great support communication tool for my copywriting business, PR business and books but I've let the tail wag the dog in recent months.
You know what they say when your parent tells you they don't have favourites; it's not you. It's time to shower some love on the other baby!
Posted by Natalie on 04/21/2009 at 06:52pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Not sure I agree entirely, I think for most people making a lot of money at blogging is going to present a challenge, but not impossible. If you just do it as a money maker you are doomed, as you know it takes to much dedication and hard work just to "give it a go", but if you love your topic and have something of value to add the the world I don't see why you can't make a living at it. It's not all doom and gloom!
Posted by Cody - Dream-Life-Coaching on 04/21/2009 at 07:29pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
My goodness, what a nice post. I am sick of hearing about making money online. I spent the last year indulging in this idea and realized it is way more worth it just to have a job and blog about my life experiences for the sake of remembering them and showing others my experiences.
I do use banner ads on my blog and make a very tiny amount of money from them. I figure it is free money for doing something I love. That is pretty much where it ends for me though.
I like blogging for the sake of gathering readership to actually discuss my life experiences and ideas with others. Forget making money online.
My favorite topics right now are promoting The Zeitgeist Movement, writing about my experiences in the Navy. I occasionally write about other topics that interest me.
Anyhow, excellent post. It was a great piece of mind.
Posted by Ben Moreno on 04/21/2009 at 07:50pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Awww… SNAP. I guess I won't quit my day job.
Posted by HR Good_Witch on 04/21/2009 at 08:49pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hi Penelope,
Thanks for the great advice. I just started a blog…well I should say REALLY focused on it in January. I love doing it because it is a nice break from my day job (resume writing).
The only "following" I wanted were my clients and potential new clients. I was never looking to set the world on fire with my blogging. But suddenly I started hearing about how you could make "lots and lots of money by blogging!" and thought "hmmmmmm!"
Thanks for clarifying it for me. :)
Erin
Posted by Erin on 04/21/2009 at 08:51pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I started a blog only in the past month (partly inspired by this one). As usual a late starter…
My reasons have nothing to do with making money but I am looking for some more intangible benefits.
- I want to start a company and if I write a blog about starting a company, then maybe I actually have to do it.
- The blog forces me to think about startup issues in a concrete way. It's similar to having to understand something in order to teach it.
- Writing is something I find easy so why not use it to create an idea in my own mind and that of others that I can be a CEO.
- As Penelope has often pointed out, a blog is a way of networking and getting in touch with people who have similar goals and interests. To be honest though, thus far Twitter has actually been more useful from that point of view (and involves less effort).
Ciara (aka @ceoseekstartup).
Posted by Ciara Byrne on 04/22/2009 at 03:29am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
Your blog posts are well-crafted and full of ideas. They gleam! The four hours of efforts really shows. Good luck with your ongoing monetization efforts.
Alan
Posted by Alan on 04/22/2009 at 06:21am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Make money with a blog? Who actually believes this hooey? I keep a blog to make enemies. I'm becoming wildly successful.
Posted by Ken Wolman on 04/22/2009 at 07:48am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Tweet like no one is following!
Blog like no one is commenting!
Posted by Dave Salamack on 04/22/2009 at 09:09am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Yet again Ms. Trunk you're trashing something that you yourself are doing. Some time ago you posted about "don't write a book", but you wrote a book. Now you're attacking blogging, but your company is based on blogging – isn't it? According to your blog, you even sold equity in your blog to fund your company – right?
While I don't have a blog yet, I have plans and would like to make a little side income from it.
Maybe we should take this as a friendly challenge?
Vic
Posted by Vic on 04/22/2009 at 09:17am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Great post. I started my blog two years ago as a therapy session for myself. When I was in a car accident and required several "stay on the couch for months" surgeries, I started blogging. I wrote whatever I wanted and didn't care who read it. Free therapy in my eyes.
I still write, have a nice little base of readers and don't use affiliate ads. I tried it because I'm a single Mom of 5 and could always use fourteen cents a month, but I hated how they looked. I love connecting with others who start small businesses or fun blogs. In an effort to raise money to have a blog hosted outside of blogger, I asked if people would advertise on my blog. I approve who goes on and promote their businesses like crazy….because they are struggling small business people in a big world. It's worked wonderfully and the feedback was great. I wasn't looking to make a ton of money and set the ad price low. I love promoting their business and it helped me immediately raise the funds to host my new blog.
I write because I love to. I Twitter because I love the connections. I don't worry about who likes me or doesn't…it's my "home" and I do with it what I choose.
Posted by TheDailyBlonde on 04/22/2009 at 09:46am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Wow,
This has been my favorite read of the day! I totally agree and am astonished how everyone and their uncle says "You Should Start a Blog". Authoring a blog is a big commitment and certainly not a good use of time for the majority of small business owners.
We covered this very issue on the Referral Key blog.
best,
Chris O.
Referral Key
“Your Trusted Referral Network”
Posted by Chris O. on 04/22/2009 at 10:52am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Maybe the author feels a bit threatened by everyone else who also wants to make money from blogging, hence grab a bite from her own cookie jar? ;)
Posted by Nicolas Lewentorp on 04/22/2009 at 11:09am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think the value of blogging has more to do with the communication it allows on many different levels than any direct profit from AdSense etc.: 1. the ability to find and communicate with those who are interested in your particular product or idea 2. the ability to mobilize and interact with volunteers or partners who might be interested in participating in your organization or product 3. The ability to communicate with a smaller group of trend setters who will share your product, service or message with their friends virally. What we tell clients is that blogs are a way of promoting and spreading information about their product, organization or business much more effectively and cheaply than traditional media can, not because it targets a huge audience but simply because it targets the right audience.
Posted by Shawn on 04/22/2009 at 11:26am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Well. That was an unusually liberating post. Now we don't have to worry about making money on our blog.
Posted by Dan Erwin on 04/22/2009 at 01:20pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Very interesting point of view. I think you could make money from blogging, but it's definitely not a quick money solution. It takes a large audience and many quality posts to attract good advertisement. Yes most niches are saturated but adding your own personal flair might differentiate your blogs from others. Being a little controversial does help. People should consider blogging for their own personal pleasure and stop focusing on making money.
Posted by Mario Remedios on 04/22/2009 at 02:03pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think I have finally read my last post on this blog. Yes, most of what you say is true (maybe all of it) and maybe it's something people need to hear, but wow Penelope. Maybe i need to go back and read what your intentions are for this blog, maybe I'm simply in the wrong place. I mean, there are plenty of -great- reasons to blog as well. That aside, for a site that appears to be centered around helping people develop themselves and their careers, there is an awful lot of hate; a lot of 'don't bother' 'you're just wasting your time…'
speaking of wasting time.
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Posted by CJ on 04/22/2009 at 02:04pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
To CJ,
If you write about things you truly have passion for, you'll get readers and fans and you'll be able to monetize your blog. Many do it through affiliate programs as well as advertisement but it does take some time. I think the main point is to forget about making the money in the beginning. Me personally, when people tell me I can't do something, I usually try harder to prove them wrong. It's just me. This post is controversial but yet again, it does take being a little controversial sometimes to keep readers entertained.
Posted by Mario Remedios on 04/22/2009 at 02:20pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
The best career advice I've received over the years has been the kind that has talked me out of things. This is in the same vein and I appreciate it. You've saved me time and energy. I think I'll keep my blog, but I'm simply going to use it to keep friends and family updated with what's going on in my life and the lives of my husband and kids. That will make it fun again. I plan to redirect my energy to my career and try to shine more in that arena, rather than looking for ways to escape it.
Posted by Casey on 04/22/2009 at 02:30pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Someone mentioned 'Vintage Penelope'. I agree. I love these posts. They stick in my mind. Like the one about changing yourself, rather than trying to change others.
I didn't read: don't write a blog. I read: be realistic. That's what I need to hear. Gives me clarity and drives me forward.
Jamie – we all dreamed of writing a book as soon as we opened one. Just like every kid that auditions for Idol sang into a hair brush and has always wanted to be famous. Dreams are great, but if PT blows them up with air and encouragement – they're just going to go pop with one pin prick of rejection/failure/threat of hard work. I'd rather know about the tough stuff, rather than listen to some aunt who keeps telling me I'm going to be famous.
And those who referred to pyramid schemes. Yes! You have pulled the curtain back…pointed at the emperor not wearing any clothes. I joined up on twitter and suddenly had all these people following me. Why? They wanted to help me market my blog, market myself…I asked the question: If there are all these social media marketers who help you write blogs. And there are all these people writing blogs. Who reads the blogs?
Posted by Sally on 04/22/2009 at 04:16pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I started blogging at the open diary more than 10 years ago – long before monetizing was heard of or the ads that made it possible had been created. I hadn't even discovered "Dogpile" yet. (Imagine if that search engine had come up with a better name. Talk about brand impact.) At any rate, I've done modest advertising on my blog and I'm half way to buying my new Nikon lens. So, you can earn a little – very little – a little at a time. But, what a great post this is. You are so right.
And, I think this Anna is kind of mean. I don't even know Jamie Varon, but hey – if she's like you – thanks, Anna, for introducing her to me. Can't wait to check her out. hahahaha!
On a completely different note, several months back you had a post where you said something to the effect of "Life is so hard, you have to do wonder why anyone would do it." I thought it was funny, though I understood the point you were making. Life is hard. Period. So, I hope you will write something soon about the increasing number of suicides among white, middle-aged America. The numbers are out there. I wish the Surgeon General would start talking about this.
Today's news of the Freddie Mac CF/CEO and the NY guy who took his life and then his family's – just so sad. Reportedly, they both seemed to "have it all." In Oklahoma City, we lost two prominent men (41 and 47) in a matter of 8 days, and here, we've hardly seen the economic fallout. I know this is a long shot, but I felt like I had to turn to someone who might help get the conversation started. I tweeted this today -and not so much as one retweet. I am retweeted sometimes – not often – I understand this is a mark of brand strength. Mine must be weak among my 325 followers. Still, it's unreal that people must bore us all with their bodily functions when given the opportunity to turn their attention to something so serious. As I understand – average increase among all is 0.7%. But, white middle aged men – 2.7 percent and women – 3.8 percent.)
Thanks for listening, sorry for leaning – taking up this space on your post. After the loss of a father of three in OKC – I just had to take this step. Maybe it will pay off. Maybe not.
Posted by jenx67 on 04/22/2009 at 04:23pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I have a new hero. Thank you.
Posted by Paul Anater on 04/22/2009 at 05:04pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope's just trying to be controversial. :)
Posted by Rita Bradley on 04/22/2009 at 07:34pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Cynical much?
I always find that people who are as cynical and pessimistic as you clearly are from this blog are just not doing what they love in life. The fact of the matter is that every point you've listed is potentially wrong. I say "potentially", because every single point depends entirely upon the blogger, their content, and their own specific disposition and tenacity. The lazy bloggers with nothing to say might indeed find truth in your article, but anyone worth a salt should ignore it wholesale.
It is not only possible to make money from one's blog — it is the ideal way to make money for certain types of people. To dismiss something outright is obnoxious at best, offensive at worst. Imagine someone with something truly revolutionary, truly inspiring, truly world-changing to say, who reads this article: You've just killed their ambition, and denied the world the value of their insights. Even if that's a fraction of 1% of your readers, that's still a potential value you've wiped off the face of the Earth. All so you could be controversial and troll for a response like mine. There ya go. Happy? Good for you.
This was the first and only article of yours I've ever read. It begs the question: Then why exactly are you bothering to write your own blog? Hypocrisy is indeed an ugly beast.
Ridiculous.
Posted by Jeff on 04/22/2009 at 08:21pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Wow Jeff I really liked your comment. Thanks!
Posted by Mario Remedios on 04/22/2009 at 10:23pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I was crafting my own comment in my head, but Jeff said exactly what I wanted to say. No need to reinvent the proverbial wheel, so I'll just say "ditto."
I've got a book deal because of my blog that's a little over a year old. Before I started, I read posts like this and they discouraged me. Now I read them and just shake my head.
Why try to dissuade people from doing something big, something unexpected, something frightfully valuable with their time? If blogging is that, then go for it with gusto.
I'm so glad I did. It's changed my life.
Posted by Tsh on 07/02/2009 at 01:17pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
While it's true that most bloggers won't make much money, it's not for the reasons you've articulated. The whole concept of the "big blog" with lots of subscribers and social networking is NOT where the money is. And frankly, the folks who've come from print media and now run well known blogs are NOT making the big money. I could point you to dozens of mediocre-looking sites run by folks you've never heard of that make 5 and even 6 figures PER MONTH in affiliate income. The truth is that most bloggers won't make big money because they don't know how to and aren't willing to put in the time to do it.
Posted by DR on 04/22/2009 at 10:37pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Oh I like this one very much.
I have never thought SM was a good vehicle for making (direct) money (for me). I don't pay to read blogs and I can't remember the last ad I clicked on.
Then there is this news story about how 452,000 people make a living off their blog and I think, for about a day, I should do that! I love to write – it's PERFECT!
Then I come to my senses and realize that nobody is going to pay me to write clever little posts. I would have to write about kidney medication or anti depressants or something else equally esoteric. Horrible.
I am quite content in my job and I am happy with whatever tiny tiny droplet of efame I can muster in my field through a casual attempt at various SM platforms.
At the end of the day, I think my effort to reward ratio is probably better that the average professional. Maybe not in pure minutes to dollars, but I get to be myself and write about what is interesting to me. I have to reign myself in just a bit because I like to argue (argument as blood sport is more like it) and that is unseemly to clients so I stay nice.
No stress and I enjoy having the feeling to be my authentic self online. I always use my real name and I always remember that anything I write could come back down the road. That's a relatively low bar and it's fun.
Posted by david rees on 04/22/2009 at 10:49pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
you're so full of your complacency crap, it is disgusting.
Posted by guess what on 04/23/2009 at 12:26am | permalink | Reply to this comment
You are right, so damn right, that it is painful, ouch!
It is interesting that blogging cannot make money, but all other businesses riding on blogging can earn money, e.g. selling items based on blog connections, Google selling ads on other people's blogs, selling pdf 'books' on money making blogs…etc.
So, it's 'you won't make money from your blog', but 'you can make money from affiliates riding on your blog'. Right?
Posted by Balrulto on 04/23/2009 at 03:32am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Ok my long comment seems to have disappeared while posting it so I'll paraphrase:
1) Agree that reality and pragmatism are needed, dreams are not enough!
2) Talent of course is a pre-requisite;
3) So is hard graft, there seems to be a 10-year hard slog minimum before most talented people hit real success;
4) DREAMS ergo GOALS shouldn't be discounted, though, as they can drive a talented person to success through the bad patches, by bolstering determination and persistence, so I'd never discount 'Shooting for the stars' (as long as there's talent with it).
Re: blogs, if there's heart and talent in it, then there can be success. As with anything else, human beings 'dig' (and 'buy') passion and inspiration combined with talent. If little else, the exposure/contacts made could lead to increased revenue. I 'mailed penelope, she 'mailed me back, she gave me advice as a 'frustrated stay-at-home mum' happy to have kids but needing to fulfil my crative potential. I set up a blog as a result, and have just (as a result of an off-blog conversation with a reader) organised a meeting with two TV producers next week to talk over an idea for research on mother/daughter relationships for a project. Little, maybe, but still valuable contacts…so I wouldn't discourage anyone who wants to blog for the love of blogging. But anything done PURELY for the love of money, without real talent and passion behind it, is unlikely to succeed…www.frustratedstay-at-homemum.blogspot.com
Posted by Helen Romeo on 04/23/2009 at 08:04am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Even though I run ads on my blog, I was glad to see this post. There are so many sites on the web that make blogging sound like an easy path to riches, so I think a bit of balance is needed on the subject. Sure it is possible for some people to make a living blogging, but I would bet that those who have succeeded put in WAY more than 40 hours a week to get to that point.
The primary reason that I blog is to share ideas that are important to me. I have never really cared much about site optimization and those types of things, but my traffic has grown steadily over the years (close to 100k views a month at this point) because I write about a subject that I am truly passionate about. If I really tried, I could probably grow the blog bigger, and make more money in the process, but that would take time away from my real job, which is product design. I love design- the very reason I started the blog in the first place- so I am not really looking for a replacement job.
I believe that passion for the topic is the key to blogging success, but most people who are strictly in it for the money just don’t seem to understand that.
Posted by James on 04/23/2009 at 09:07am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Very interesting article, funny how others are cutting it in the bloggins space
Posted by John on 04/23/2009 at 09:22am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think the conclusion that most people won't make a ton of money blogging is absolutely true. The numbers from the recent WSJ and other publications on blogging and how people are making a living are indeed over the top & not accurate.
Most people don't start their blog with a sound business idea or strategy. Usually it's let roll the dice and see how much money I can bring in with this idea or my off the wall topics. A personal blog will rarely turn into something that can pull in a full-time income.
With all that said, there are those out there that have put thought into their blog(s) & have determined numerous ways to monetize, get traffic, create sticky sites, & are very realistic about the time and effort involved in building the business into a profitable one.
I would say that most of us bloggers that work full-time (or that are close & have that vision) don't rely on one single blog to bring home the bacon. It's kind of like diversifying your investment portfolio in that you don't want to put all your eggs in one basket…in this case it would be putting all your hopes into one site. Building a network of sites over a stretch of time is a much better strategy because some sites will do better than others and so on, but collectively the income can add up. Test as you go and see what works and what doesn't…research and keep building your skill sets as this is what it will take.
Now this type of dedication and perseverance is not for everyone and most will probably stop before they realize the true potential of what could be. I agree a lot with what Penelope has mentioned but the premise (at least to me) assumes that a person may run 1 or 2 blogs and that will not work for us little guys out there that don't have capital or the networking to turn them into mega sites!
My suggestion for people that are really interested in making money blogging or running sites in any capacity really to check out abestweb, problogger, forums.digitalpoint.com, webmasterworld.com and so on.
Sophie
Posted by Sophie on 04/23/2009 at 11:05am | permalink | Reply to this comment
LOVE the reality check here. Statistically 99.9% of blogs make less than $100 a year. (not exact but you get the point) Its helpful to bloggers to know what they are up against.
I've been blogging for 1 month now and find the general advice given just stupid. Sorry, gotta call it like I see it. Things like "choose a theme", "become and expert", LMAO. Come on. Really?
Tell me when was the last time you went to a Dr, or a mechanic and thought that 10 months experience actually made him an "expert". Yet majority go around calling themselves that and just repeating what they've read last week. (AND they expect to make "expert" level money? Instant gratification 1, hard work 0) In this regard I completely agree with PT. Since most of us aren't experts we should not expect to make money.
However, and here's where false hope for bloggers comes in, the sad part is that many from the younger generation find these "experts" and worship them, hang on their every word. It amazes me. Its like the whole generation is depressed, has low self-esteem, lacks common sense, etc and constantly needs and seeks out these self-help type blogs. "5 ways to blah…", "Top 9 things you can do blah blah blah…". Its all about whats the least amount of work I can do to get the biggest gain. Don't get me wrong, some of these blogs are necessary, but every blog I see seems to be about that or about social media.
And if I want to trust my company's name to someone's hands, its not going to be to the 20 yr old "expert" that spent the summer reading up on social media and has a slick blog/site trying to make money.
PT…I'm begging…please write a post about how people (and companies) can cut through the crap out there! I'll consider it your goodwill to the world.
I prefer the senseless blogs about the guy taking his daughter's Leap Frog instead of his laptop to an important meeting. Much better than the blogs that try to convince me they're an expert at anything with only 1-2 yrs experience.
So I'm taking a stand
1. I am NOT going to choose a theme
2. I am NOT going to try to be an expert
3. I AM going to put ads on my little blog, Just Too Logical. (because quite frankly, making $1000 over 2 yrs will cover a new iPhone plus AT&T's damn $30/month data plan)
4. And finally, I am going to stay true to my friends, true to my blog and true myself.
Thanks for taking the time to read my comment.
@chaalz
Posted by Chaalz on 04/23/2009 at 12:05pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Well, except that Brazen Careerist features a whole bunch of 20ish-year-old experts. They give career advice, with 1-2 years of experience (sometimes less…sometimes it's just 1-2 weeks).
So this may not be the best place to rail against that particular pet peeve.
Posted by Kerry on 04/23/2009 at 12:26pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
You call someone with "sometimes just 1-2 weeks" experience an expert?
And then you call my saying this is crazy, a "pet peeve"?
Thats surprising coming from someone with 14 yrs experience in his field. I wonder if a 21yr got hired where you work and claimed the same level of experience, how you'd be feeling.
To each his own I guess.
Posted by Chaalz on 2009-04-23 12:33:34 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
No, Chaalz, I don't call someone with 1-2 weeks experience an expert. I'm saying that this website that you're on right now gives people with very little career experience the opportunity to give career advice. Some of them have made quite a splash.
I'm agreeing with you. I don't care for this trend either. I'm just saying that this website that we're both on right now, Brazen Careerist, is built on exactly the model you're complaining about, and based on that, you may want to take the advice with a grain of salt. Some posts are meant to advise, and some are meant to drive traffic, y'know?
Posted by Kerry on 04/23/2009 at 01:06pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think this is definitely true, but I also think that blogging could potentially make money if you don't put all your eggs into that basket. I'm not doing blogging to make money, but because I genuinely love writing and want to make a difference, and get my words out there. I want to make connections and improve myself. It's working, for all those reasons.
But say I became an insanely popular blogger. There's no reason why I shouldn't want to cash in on that for a little extra revenue. I'm not saying I'd work full time as a blogger; very few people want this. But there's nothing wrong with trying to monetize your blog if you are popular.
Moreover I see plenty of people writing books – ebooks at least – after blogging. Dan Schawbel, Jonathan Mead. I think what they are doing is great. I think blogging CAN get you places, but obviously you shouldn't think you'll make millions off of it.
Posted by Akhila on 04/23/2009 at 07:28pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Wow. Are *all* your posts just like this one Penelope? I land on your blog, read my very first post ever on it, and seriously *not* want to dig in any further.
I just find it saddening to see someone with as much influence and voice such as you shoot down those with *potential* influence and voice before they've even started.
Too much hate Penelope. I know that there really is a solid message you want to pass here, but it would probably have been better done in a more conservative manner, but that's just me.
Posted by Richard on 04/24/2009 at 01:10pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
nice blog post, but its not that hard to make money blogging, one of my blogs does about 10k month revenue, and has for the past couple years.
Posted by chris on 04/25/2009 at 02:42pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Interesting blog. Yet, I refuse to take Penelope's words to heart. I WILL become a successful writer and blogger.
Posted by K.A. Brown on 04/25/2009 at 07:26pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
It would be nice to make some money from blogging. So many others are and I'm not. It would pay my grocery bill. xD
Posted by Jenny on 04/25/2009 at 11:22pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Why, ain't you something, girl? You picked the hardest game on the planet and WON!! Very kind of you, too, to take time out of your busy, busy schedule to advise mere mortals to fageddaboutit. Congratulations on all of your uber achievements.
Humbly, k8thebloggerwannabe
P.S. I used to work in Bell Labs so I know how your mind works, tootsie.
Posted by k8thebloggerwannabe on 04/26/2009 at 06:58am | permalink | Reply to this comment
A good essay, but there's a missing Part 2 — transitioning from writer to publisher. That's how you can make money.
Posted by N on 04/27/2009 at 02:35pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Excellent post, glad I found it.
I am currently using (or planning to use) blogging to share ideas, and promote my other endeavors (as a speaker, comic, writer, etc.). I have no delusions about the content of your post.
Another really good point I would like to add, is that even if someone IS really talented and willing to work hard, that is not enough.
As soon as you want to make a living at something, you need good business sense (or can hire someone who has).
There is a reason so many business ventures fail, at many levels, and it is lack of basic business skills.
(I had one client who did not even thank they needed a budget…).
again, great post.
~ Dave
"life is a game, the winners play" -dpak
Posted by Dave on 04/28/2009 at 12:52pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
"None of us is."
second paragraph. grammar fail.
Posted by Paul on 04/28/2009 at 04:05pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
What I find extremely annoying is how many people these days are creating blogs that fill up an internet search with amateur garbage. Many times the information provided on a topic of interest, is simply wrong.
For example, when I do a search within Google for a topic of interest, I'm now given thousands of mostly useless results. Keep the amateurs out of blogging; you're wasting my research time.
Posted by Daryl Bowls on 05/01/2009 at 12:23pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Daryl: Good luck on your request. According to a recent book title, we're now dealing with the cult of the amateur.
Dan
Posted by Dan Erwin on 05/01/2009 at 02:27pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hey Dan and Daryl,
A turn through any book store or a listen to any top 40 radio station just goes to show that the great gatekeepers of culture and intellectualism the "cult of the amateur" is poised to tear down has done little to save us from mediocrity. And I've worked too long in the newspaper business to believe that pro journalists always trump amateurs on accuracy or balance. So here's a novel thought. Suppose we stick to the method of social, cultural, spiritual and intellectual progress the human race has been using successfully for thousands of years: experimentation and innovation. I know things are just fine the way they are right now fellas and can't possibly get any better, but just humor us. You guys would have pooh-poohed the printing press.
Posted by Shawn on 05/01/2009 at 03:18pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hey Shawn: Don't be too quick to draw conclusions on my response. A little bit of thoughtful analysis would have enabled you to see that my comment could have been taken literally, tongue in check, or, god knows, any number of ways. Furthermore, the comment reveals nothing about my own perspective on amateurs. Indeed, if you were to check out my own blog on personal branding today, you would notice that I consider myself a novice on the web…a novice is one new to a calling (in effect, an amateur). Sounds to me like the term amateur pricked your balloon. It wasn't bothersome to me!
Actually, it was an indirect comment to Daryl to get over it…the web is never going to make the changes he seems to want.
Dan
Posted by Dan Erwin on 05/01/2009 at 04:42pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
No balloons pricked. The Web is young so we're all amateurs. However, some professionals in other fields feel their expertise should somehow be valued above everyone else's contributions in the new medium. I admit to being somewhat touchy on this subject. The sob stories sung by people who write books like the one you mentioned are the same as the complaints of those who at one time were unable to get a record contract, or to get published or whatever. I read your blog post today and must admit some skepticism at the statement that everyone can have a personal brand. The wheat will be separated from the chaff in every medium. No offense. I sometimes overreact on this topic.
Posted by Shawn on 05/01/2009 at 05:27pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Shawn: Thanks much. I certainly understand… No offense taken. Sometime let's talk about the whole business of amateurs, professionals, world-class experts, etc.
Dan
Posted by Dan Erwin on 05/01/2009 at 05:38pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Dooce is totally over-rated – that gravy train will come to an end one of these days. ps 400,000 is nothing to sneeze at!
Posted by Laura on 05/02/2009 at 08:15pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Banner advertising is the mafia.
Yea.. Fuggetaboutit.
Posted by Mike on 05/03/2009 at 05:20pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
If you want to make money from your blogs you eventually will. Download and follow this action plan, Clickbank. Even if you don't succeed with your ultimate goals you will eventually start to make some great money.
Posted by Bryan on 05/05/2009 at 02:16pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
If by "blogging" you mean "Writing an online diary of your life by which you attempt to gather a huge following of people fascinated by your stunning wit and personality and then sell banner ads at $.01 ECPM", then I agree.
If by "blogging" you mean to imply that one cannot make money online, then you're dead wrong. Money can be made online when you present an offer and get people to buy. You can do that through affiliate programs, selling your own product, or through dropshipping. Even adsense, though your earnings per visitor will be much lower. Each method has its pros and cons. You also have to learn how to generate traffic–PPC (Adwords), SEO, recruiting super-affiliates, article marketing, etc.
The biggest obstacle with making money online is that the first $10,000/yr is extremely difficult to do–much harder than flipping burgers for $10,000/yr or going on welfare/unemployment. Most people get discouraged and quit at that point (or they are following some idiotic strategy that will never work).
However, the people who persist after they start making $500-1000/mth find that scaling that number up is far easier than scaling up a day job's income. If your site is making $1000/mth, it's a simple matter of math to go to $5,000/mth–just make 4 more sites like it (should be easier now that you've done it once), or increase traffic/conversions at your existing site, or some combination. Going from $5,000 to $10,000/mth is the same math.
There are only two reasons why people stop at the hobby/parttime income level of $500-2000/mth — they like their day job and consider their online money "fun money"; or they are too scared to take the plunge to fulltime.
But how hard is it to double your day job income? Very. Often, you have to enter an entirely new career and go back to school. For the cost of the years in school + tuition, you could learn how to make money online.
As far as buying "How to Make Money Online Products", as a former info-junkie, I can tell you this:
All of reasonable systems can work if you work them. The biggest reason for failure isn't that you picked a bad system, but because you didn't do any work.
My most successful earning site did $850 last month on autopilot (it was doing $1000+ late last year before the economy turned down). It is the "least brilliant" of all my million dollar site ideas. And yet it makes the most money BECAUSE ITS THE ONLY ONE I ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTED AND TOOK ACTION ON.
I've got all kinds of ideas and ebooks and systems sitting on my harddrive. And yet the only one that gets clickbank checks and google direct deposits is the site I actually sat down and MADE. Amazing, the difference between action and "pondering".
Sorry for the long rant, but people need the straight story on making money online:
1. It's possible.
2. It's hard.
3. It takes emotional courage because their is little social acceptance for what you're doing and results take time so you look like an idiot for the first X number of months/years it takes to start the money flowing.
4. There are a lot of scam artists who will sell you crap to fulfill your hopes of making money online, and they have ruined the reputation of making money online so that a lot of smart people have decided MMO is bullshit and thus you can easily be discouraged by reading articles from smart people like penelope who say that MMO is not possible.
Posted by Jeremy on 05/07/2009 at 08:55am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Making money online from blogging is for those how already have a well established name on the web. There are many ways to make money from blogging but you will have to create your blog around that product or service you are selling. All there is the option of selling post reviews and backlinks which will bring money but not big time money
Posted by Gabriel on 05/12/2009 at 03:57pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I used to write an (amatuer) blog and would get small checks every month from San Francisco from a firm that posted ad links on my site. I think if I were really committed and developed it more it would have been some nice extra income.
I don't totally agree it's impossible, but I wouldn't quit my day job to do it either. The people who read my blog, though, were very loyal and I had a lot of links.
I disagree.
Posted by Dan on 05/14/2009 at 01:16pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
thanks for yor eight reasons for stop thinking about money from blogging. now i'm thinking about make a portal or online store.
Posted by Business Watch on 05/16/2009 at 10:48pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Every professional says the same thing about their particular profession. None are easy but all are gratifying, some (most) even materially rewarding.
This post has a few helpful ideas but is overall a bit negative. Somewhat out of character for you. Most people come to you blog looking for ways to "do it" so it runs contrary to popular expectations. Maybe you are using your own advice about "controversy" (item #4).
Posted by EnnisP on 05/19/2009 at 11:56pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
An online store is a better idea to make money online but I agree with Gabriel is all about how creative can you get when it comes to make your blog or website profitable just like off the net business
Posted by Ale R on 05/20/2009 at 02:58pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
You sound like a clueless, bitter douchebag.
Posted by You're a moron on 05/22/2009 at 10:46pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks for a great blog post. I agree with most of what you say. As a one time website developer, I had the experience of working with entrepreneurs who wanted to slap up a website and start advertising to make money. I had to explain to them it just doesn’t work that way. Google AdWords pays about 2 cents a click. You get ten people to your site a day and two clicks; you have netted yourself four cents. Congratulations, you are on a roll.
Now with blogging and people like John Chow telling you can make loads of money is just not real.
Also, people need to understand that certain subject blogs that do make money (how to make money blogging, etc.). Many blogs about making money do pretty well because most people are interested in making money and they will buy whatever they are told to buy in order to make money.
Blogs about personal development also do pretty well. But the thing to remember is that these blogs that make money do not make money from advertising, they make money from product promotion. They promote a product and “endorse” products for those who are selling them.
I think item #7 is pretty much a universal truth among bloggers. You have to do it because you love it and maybe want to make a little extra, but don’t do it because you think it will be a cash cow. Not that many people want to hear what you have to say.
Also, remember that blogs are popular for that fact people can add comments like this one and submit a link to their site for a little credit. Without that, the vast majority of blogs would go unread. It gets back to the “What’s’ in it for me?” syndrome. Blogs succeed because there is something in it for the reader, or rather the commenter.
Posted by SiteBetter on 05/29/2009 at 09:24am | permalink | Reply to this comment
a blog is just the first step in making money online, alot more are needed
Posted by mr luggage on 06/07/2009 at 08:20pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
How refreshing to see someone write, "…none is" and not, "…none are." :)
This is a great post. I was about to write something similar and thought I would check first to see if someone else had done so.
I do make a tidy living by the written word. I have had two books accepted and I write, design and publish health magazines and produce various news vehicles for other clients. Blogging (both professionally for clients) and on my own blog is my passion and I had hoped to make a little something from it.
I fully concur that LinkShare, Google adwords and other linking programs benefit very few. I know three bloggers in my neighbourhood who are making over $10,000 a month. One has a travel blog, another a blog about making money blogging (really ridiculous) and one celebrity blog that has millions of subscribers worldwide and is making over $50,000 p.m. but these are the exception. It amazes me how very much blogging resembles MLM in terms of getting anyone to read the blog in question. A few people have left comments on my blog, but they are the same people and I personally know one of them. I have had 1,200 page views in about six weeks and 460 blog hits. I don't this could be considered good.
I started my blog two months ago with high hopes but my stats are not improving. I bring in humour, rants and sound health/beauty advice but I am spending over three hours a day on trying to get people to read it.
So bottom line, a great article and one I will print and ponder with my husband tonight. Thanks so much…
Posted by Rosina deMaltby on 06/13/2009 at 07:10pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Wow, what an inspirational article!
Whenever I need a kick in the butt to continue what I started I'll always come back to your blog! I've achieved a lot of "impossible" by your descritpion things,so thanks for making me realize I got what it takes to be one of the few who are going to make it! And once I do, I'll definitely write a similar article! :-)
Posted by Annie on 07/10/2009 at 06:59am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hey Penelope…you are right. Most people will never make money blogging doing it the way your talking about.
However, you shouldn't say that people can not make a living blogging…I have an exact science that I teach, that actually does make money…You are right again in that it is not "Get Rich Quick", it actually takes work, but you can make a ton doing it.
Our blogs average anywhere from $5 to $25 per day…per blog, and we can usually kick out about one or two a day in around 6 hours.
I like your style…just make sure to have all the facts before you totally dismiss making money with blogs.
Eric
Posted by Eric Wright on 07/25/2009 at 06:56pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Since writing my response (two above), I will follow up by saying I am getting way more visitors, (9,000 page counts and still quite new). As for Linkshare, I did a small experi last week…wrote genuinely on a product line that I admire and incorporated a link in the blog. The items start at $16. Twelve people hit on it, went to the site, and bought nothing. I am certainly not expecting this sort of link to bring me in anything significant but I was surprised that none of those hits converted to a sale as I would call them warm if not hot. I do make money blogging professionally for a couple of companies but I would like to be a little more financially successful with my own.
Posted by Rosina deMaltby on 07/25/2009 at 08:27pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Well that would make it much harder for women, because most guys couldn't give a crap about what people say that they don't know or don't know them. All they are is words from a name.
Posted by Kristian Hart on 08/11/2009 at 04:45pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Kristian, could you perhaps rephrase that? I don't understand what you are saying (but it sounds interesting…)
Posted by Rosina deMaltby on 08/11/2009 at 04:52pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, this is a great post although it's being taken far too personally by many people as per the comments I have read thus far. This is not an attack on entrepreneurship or following your dreams as far as I can read into it. As with any money making venture that you decide to embark upon the question you must ask yourself is always the same: What is your core product or service offering? Simply blogging and attracting a following in a specific area will not keep food on the table (no matter how many banner ads you post)if your goal is to make financial gain. If you do however have a solid product or service and then use your blog or book as for as that goes as a tool to support it, then blogging can be a very powerful tool to generate additional revenue.
Best
Chris
Posted by Chris on 10/22/2009 at 02:13pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks Very different post, but very good.
Posted by WiLL on 10/23/2009 at 12:54am | permalink | Reply to this comment
It was very interesting to read your article. You have a very controversial idea about making money with a blog.
Posted by Making Money On The Web on 10/24/2009 at 08:45am | permalink | Reply to this comment
This article is absolutely false. Both me and my 25-year-old cousin are making around $100 a week using blogs. Here's a site that will give you some REAL info on the subject:
http://tinyurl.com/yg5sfle
Posted by Brian on 10/27/2009 at 12:05am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Gee, I'm crushed. I really thought all those people claiming to make millions blogging and willing to sell me their system were telling the truth!
Posted by John on 10/27/2009 at 04:05pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
The third of you that "enjoy" this article, only enjoy is enough to promote your own blogs, hence the reason you're commenting.
The other third of that "hate" this blog, don't understand that she knew how controversal this blog would be and how much hate she would get.
And neither of you really understand how she pulled 2/3rd of the readers into her trap, while another 1/3 didn't even pay attention to this entry….
Great entry! Though i felt offended at times…
Posted by Desi on 10/30/2009 at 03:10am | permalink | Reply to this comment
When you don't have anything to say, you won't make anything of it. If you tailor your message to your audience, it becomes a bit easier.
If you start a blog around a good concept, and you know how to market that concept, you can make money at it. If you start a blog without a concept, just to make money, you will most likely write about making money, which is over-saturated anyhow.
I have a company whereby I try to publish my fiction and art. Thus, to promote the company, I started a blog. The blog is very clear and concise, and despite having several differet topics, my advertising is aimed expertly at my audience. Now, the blog makes enough money to pay for all of my webhosting fees. So any sells I make from the actual site, have less of their profit margin devoted to advetising and online support.
So while I do agree on some of your points, I disagree that you can't make money from this. I have an insanely high CTR and I build some customers from it, so I enjoy it.
Posted by Emperor on 11/03/2009 at 02:04am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Very Recently, there has been a great deal of litigation by the
US Federal trade comission against blogs and website promoters
for not publishing their advertising revenue, or potential
relationships with ad networks.
What are your personal ideas about how this could impact
the blog world?
Posted by epigreebets on 11/04/2009 at 12:06pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Wow…I don't think I believe this.
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Posted by sarah on 11/20/2009 at 08:42pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This is my first visit to your blog and I'm glad I came today. I blog because I like it (and from time to time get some random free thing that makes me smile, mostly because I like getting boxes in the mail), but other people (particularly my mom) are convinced that this will lead me to a lifetime of wealth. She is always coming up with ways I can blog my way into a book deal or a reality TV show. Thing is, I don't even want to write a book (or have a show). What would I even say? Who would even care? I think I'll send her over here and let you tell her the ugly truth of it. Thanks for the info! Your new blog-stalking-I-do-this-for-free-and-I-like-it friend:)
Posted by parenting BY dummies on 11/23/2009 at 11:52am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hey, I make $15 – $20 a month with my blog. Am I a success? Now if I can duplicate that by 100 blogs I can quite my part-time job. :-)
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Posted by a man 2 trust on 12/19/2009 at 11:33pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Not to nitpick dear, but I thought you might like to know that you appear to have a typo in your article… unless you meant to say "our who class"… please see below:
This seems like a good time to tell you the advice my writing teacher gave our who class in graduate school: Writing for a living is a very, very hard life. If you can do anything else for a living, you should.
Posted by Jolene Taylor, PHD on 01/17/2010 at 06:05pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This is a load of crock! You can make money with your blog. Go to my site and see my accounts of my experiment of how to make money posting links for Google. I have noted how I started, how much I made, and how long it takes. I am now getting a check every month from my blogs.
Posted by benz b on 01/18/2010 at 10:00pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
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Posted by adamsjacson on 02/27/2010 at 03:54am | permalink | Reply to this comment
One great example of a (financial) success story is Brooke Magnanti, formerly known as Belle de Jour, author of the book "The Intimate Adventures of a London Call Girl" which was based off her popular, critically acclaimed blog memoirs. Her story was later adapted into the TV series "Secret Diary of a Call Girl".
I know she's the exception to the rule, and that the odds are against most would-be bloggers hoping to quit their day jobs, but it seemed like such an obvious precedent that I had to point it out.
Posted by The.Anonymous.Lurk3r on 02/28/2010 at 09:10pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I started my blog last May. I have since acquired the business of three organizations who have seen it and asked me to create a blog for their organizations. I just decided to monetize it and am making $120 this month. Hardly much but it is building. You can make money through blogs if you believe that this is what you will do and plan accordingly.
Posted by Antonia Jenner on 02/28/2010 at 10:54pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
My blog is not controversial and I don't write for print media yet I got a book deal for a humourous parenting book and to some extent my blog got me noticed so I'd say that point is moot.
Posted by EmmaK on 03/01/2010 at 08:53am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I have two blogs
http://fromrattopositiveparent.blogspot.com/
http://www.cambridgecheapskate.blogspot.com/
The latter was started to learn about blogging several years ago when not many people were blogging. The first one was started so I could have more exposure as a parenting writer.
I agree with what has been said above, blogs are like calling cards for journalists, people in marketing or niche experts and can only generate revenue indirectly, as parts of a career strategy. I don't think advertising is bad, provided the blogger only plugs something that is relevant to their beliefs. I have joined a scheme but would only blog about certain companies if they offer great discounts on something a parent might want to buy or they are offering something interesting. If all they are offering is 10 per cent off the RRP, I don't bother. There is a fine balance between blogging and becoming an advertising platform.
Posted by simone on 03/01/2010 at 11:48am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hmm…why not say "much money" and "at first" in the title, instead of not at all period dot? Some points well taken. Others not so. You mention one exception to the rule but – there are TONS more that make it NOT an exception. Judd Burdon, Yaro Starak, Josh Spaulding, Shoemoney, Jon Chow, Ken Evoy, Lisa Irby, Darren Rowse, Brian Clark…the list goes on and on and on…and they ALL started small. SO if bigger companies and media swallow them up due to the name they already have made and traffic they already get (myspace…twitter…feedburner…facebook…etc!!!) – IF they allow it, then that came AFTER they were a success not before…the bigger companies more often put others' ideas to work when they had their own dry spells and had to keep their ears to the ground for the other buzz…as opportunists to find "the next big thing" when their wells of creativity and their MBAs and EVPs couldn't create it themselves. You forget about their need for entrepreneurs. Exceptions? Hardly. A constant fleet of new creativity while saving R and D etc. Please don't make people fold over to big corporations and media through this kind of thinking – it is these people who take such big giants in new directions or if such big giants are too inflexible for the change in the market of individuals…can make them fall!
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