
When I drive, I have arguments with people in my head. I think of someone who does not realize how smart I am about what I am smart about, and I go on tirades to show them how misguided they are.
And I realized one day, while I had a particularly long car ride, that I am actually feeling like I know what women should be doing with their adult life.
Most people would be too humble to say this. But I'm the woman who, after ten years in the workforce, built a career on telling people how to manage their career. So, it makes sense that after getting to age 45 I am ready to tell all women how to live their adult life.
To be clear, I have made lots of mistakes. But I like to think I would not have made those mistakes if I had had a blueprint for adult life like the one I'm giving you, right here. The blueprint starts at age 18 and goes to 45.
1. Do less homework.
Women do better in school than men, but school is not a harbinger of doing well in life. Other stuff is. Other stuff that men do all the time. For example, involvement in sports is a foreshadow of a great career. And video games are, too, because they are both collaborative and competitive–two essential skills. So do stuff guys do, and get grades that are as bad as theirs–after all, you should not be the hardest worker, ever.
2. Get plastic surgery.
This is the must-have career tool for the workforce of the new millennium. You will earn more money and you will have more opportunities for mentoring. Also, you will have a wider choice of men, which, of course, is another way to earn more money.
3. Go to business school right out of the gate.
Everyone has always wanted to go to business school right after college, but good MBA programs didn't allow it. Now there is an unwritten rule that women can get in earlier because it's so clear that women who want to have kids don't really benefit from going to an MBA program later. If you get your MBA early, you accomplish a few key things. Not only do you set yourself up for skipping entry-level jobs, but you also make re-entry after kids an easier process because you have higher level experience before you leave.
On top of that, you are more likely to marry well. Men like women who are smart but not making more than they are. (I do not have a link for this. I have instinct.) Business school is a way to show you are smart, but you don't make any money in business school. Side benefit: You will be surrounded by men equally as smart as you are but a little older, which is a good hunting ground. (Note: I still think business school is stupid if you are using it to actually become qualified to do something.)
4. Start early looking for a husband seriously.
If you want to have kids, you should aim to be done by the time you are 35, when your eggs start going bad fast. This means you need to get started when you are 30, which means you need to get the guy you want to have kids with by the time you're 28. People who marry too early are very likely to get divorced. But by age 25, you are safe from those statistical trends. So why not marry early? In any case, start looking very seriously for a husband by the time you are 24. Here is a blog post that summarizes this argument and links to the research to back it up.
5. Milk maternity leave for all it's worth.
Maternity leave is a complicated political issue, but whatever: For now, it's your right, so just take what's yours. Use all your maternity leave, and then make it very difficult to fire you when you return. Start a year before you want to get pregnant, by getting a job at a company that legally must give you maternity leave. I'm not saying you HAVE to take maternity leave, but if you don't have any, you can't decide to take it. Position yourself at that company in a job you can do with your eyes closed, in case you want to go back after maternity leave and work. Because if you are taking care of a newborn baby and working full-time, you'll be doing everything with your eyes closed.
There is an incredible amount of research to show that there should be a single, primary caregiver for the first year. I know that's not good for feminism. But none of this post is. So look, unless your husband is taking a year off, you're better off spending most of your time on your kid and not your job. The way to do that is to take all the maternity leave you can and then keep pushing for people to let you keep your job even if you're not really doing it. Make them fire you. It'll take their legal department a long time to give permission for that, and you can be collecting a paycheck the whole time. The extra cash can fund the rest of your transition.
6. Guard your marriage obsessively.
Educated women divorce at less than a quarter of the rate of everyone else. Divorce is not socially acceptable for most women reading this blog. We have decades of great data (read Judith Wallerstein) to show that divorce permanently ruins the kids. Yes, it's true, divorce makes life better for the parents. But kids don't care. They don't notice. Kids notice if two parents are paying attention to them, and that is one of the first things to go in a divorce. If you love your kids, you stay married to their parent.
This means that the wife needs to just bite the bullet and maintain the marriage. Stay-at-home spouses keep marriages together more effectively . I know: this is not popular, and not fair, but you do not need to make a crusade out of your family by showing that you can get a divorce and not fuck up your kids. So just bite the bullet and make sure you are keeping your husband happy so your kids can grow up with two parents.
7. Practice austerity.
Austerity is not fun. But you can call it something trendy, like minimalism or slow food.Your ability to manage your life will be nil if you are ruled by financial problems. So that means no big house, no expensive car, no huge vacations. You need control over your life more than you need that stuff. You have more career flexibility, more time flexibility, and more personal flexibility if you can keep your expenses way below what you earn. In this scenario, you do not have to fight with your husband about money. (You can fight about sex and in-laws, which are the other two of the three most popular fight topics.) Also, you can stay home with kids if you want to. And if you don't want to, you can just be you and admit it. Don't say you are not with your kids all day because you need the money. That would be a lie.
8. Do a startup with a guy.
Having your own company will give you tons of control over your life. It's nice to have a funded company because then the investors are taking the financial risk and you are drawing a nice salary even when you are not really earning any revenue. The problem is that VC funded startups require 100+ hour weeks, every week. You should only do one of these types of companies with a guy.
Smart women in their 20s are looking for husbands and cannot be 100% focused on some pie-in-the-sky startup. Women in their 30s are having kids and trying to figure out how to work less. Men are more easily focused solely on work. That's why there is a salary gap between men and women: Because women focus on work and family, and men focus only on work. Don't judge. Just get a male business partner. The problem is that men don't like doing startups with women—it's bad for them. But still, you can try.
9. If you can't get men to do a startup with you, do a lifestyle business.
A lifestyle business is one where the revenue is yours to keep. This is good since you will need to earn money, but it's a little more risky for you personally than a startup because you're not in it with deep-pocketed investors. Still, a lifestyle business is attractive enough to a woman with kids and a hankering for something interesting in the business world. Also, given the choice between no work, full-time work, or part-time work, Pew Research reports that 80% of women with children would choose part-time work. And we all know that the part-time work opportunities in corporate America suck. So a lifestyle business is the best path to that goal.
10. Homeschool. Your kids will be screwed if you don't.
The world will not look kindly on people who put their kids into public school. We all know that learning is best when it's customized to the child and we all know that public schools are not able to do that effectively. And the truly game-changing private schools cost $40,000 a year.
It's clear is that homeschooled kids will rule the world when Generation Z enters the workplace. So figure out a way to alleviate mommy guilt by homeschooling your kids to get them on that path. You don't have to do the teaching yourself. You can pay someone. But you need to get your kids out of a system that everyone knows does not work. (Note: I just realized this. This month. And last week, I decided: I'm taking my kids out of school.)
11. Spend money on household help and Botox to keep more doors open longer.
Look, it's really hard to be a parent and still have an interesting life. Not for men. We have seen enough of feminism to be certain that men are not derailed personally by kids. (In fact, Catalyst reports that having kids increases a man's earning power. Probably because he is then more likely to have a wife at home inadvertently performing the role of pseudo personal secretary. ) So the more money to spend to get people to help you with your kids, the more time and energy you'll have to help yourself.
Also, as women age they become more invisible. I know, this is not nice to say. And we are told it's only true in Hollywood. But since when has something that catches on in Hollywood not been relevant to the rest of us? Even pre-nups went mainstream. So the longer you can look younger than 45 the longer runway time you will have to figure out how to raise kids, hold a marriage together and still keep things vibrant and interesting intellectually. It's no small feat, but Botox and Restylane will be your best teammates in this part of the adventure.
12. Break the mold in your 40s.
Women get more unhappy as they age. So you can say you don't like the advice I'm giving. But look, in order to change the trajectory of women's happiness, we are going to have to drastically change the advice we give to women about how to run their lives. Most of the news about women in their 40s is pretty bad, to be honest. But the good news is that you can change that, by living differently in your 20s and 30s than women did before you. And, if you are in your 40s and reading this, take solace in the fact that by the time women are in their 40s they are great in bed, so if you do nothing else, figure out how to have a lot of sex to leverage your hard-earned talent.




Penelope,
I think this is the best post you have ever done. I agree hands down with your version of the new feminism. But I guess as a life-long homeschooler, I had an advantage over the current crop of 20 somethings chasing after careers. I got backyard chickens last week. I've had a vegetable garden all summer. I've found a boyfriend on track to be my husband who loves the work that he does and wants me to stay home with our hypothetical future children.
I've been reading your blog for over 3 years now and it's always been an inspiration to stay on track with what makes sense. I have some tacit advice for you though – maybe to fix some of your problems at home and with your emotions you should try a new way of eating. Wheat and dairy are known to be common triggers for autistic behavior, and you've mentioned previously how you spend days eating nothing but bagels. Try cutting out grains, dairy and sugar from your diet for a month and see how you feel. I used to be a depressive and moody person, but making that change in my life helped a lot. It's called "Paleo" – I'm sure you've heard of it, as an expert trend-spotter. Give it a try. Heather Armstrong is doing it.
http://www.archevore.com/get-started/
http://evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.com/2010/09/diet-and-autism-1.html
http://evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.com/2011/02/more-on-wheat-and-serious-mental.html
Posted by Lisa L on August 16, 2011 at 11:26 am | permalink |
I've only been Paleo for a week and have already noticed improvements, both physical and mental. Good suggestion.
Posted by Erin on August 16, 2011 at 4:00 pm | permalink |
I agree…Try paleo…alot like primal. Mark Sisson is in his fifties and ripped. I have found that I'm so much less emotional when I'm eating paleo…love it. Miss the cookies—-but I do eat the cookies sometimes.
xo Jana
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Posted by yueguy on August 17, 2011 at 3:12 am | permalink |
How is this advice "tacit"? It seems explicitly stated here.
Did you mean "unsolicited"?
Posted by Perhaps you've conflated a word on December 11, 2011 at 1:47 pm | permalink |
Oh if more women would just flat out speak the truth the way you do, women all over would be better off. No political correctness, just the bottom line truth. Thanks for doing this. I always enjoy reading your blog.
Posted by DebD on August 16, 2011 at 11:30 am | permalink |
I love this post but can't help but notice that I did everything backwards! Ay Ay Ay
Posted by Cassie Boorn on August 16, 2011 at 11:38 am | permalink |
I agree with a lot of these bullets, but wanted to comment on #3 (the one about going to business school young) because I did it. I went to a top 10 at 23 years old and graduated at 25.
The degree did help me get a couple cool marketing jobs at the director level that I should not have gotten at ages 25 or 26. But more importantly, if you want to marry rich, you should really go to business school as young as you possibly can.
I recently got divorced from a doctor. Everyone thinks that's nuts, because being a doctor is a really secure and profitable career path. But the truth is, every guy I can date (friends, former coworkers, former classmates, etc.) makes at least six figures because my entire network revolves around my grad school + the high-end jobs I've gotten. And of course since I'm in marketing I make a good salary but not a salary that's higher than most of the men I would date, who are often in corporate finance, investment banking, or software engineering. As sad as this is, most men prefer women who don't outdo them in career earnings, but who can support themselves (or, they want a supermodel trophy wife). Financially, that's about the range I fall in with the guys I can date.
I'm not saying that marrying rich should be a goal unto itself. I'm just saying if you are smart enough to get into these schools and you are interested in business, you should apply right after undergrad. It's much easier to get in at that time because business schools are the only uber-competitive graduate schools that still have huge gender disparity, compared to law and medical schools. And you will meet guys who are older than you by 3-5 years and close enough in smartness that you will actually want to marry them (most women want men who are as smart or slightly smarter than them, which is really hard to find if you are a smart woman yourself).
Posted by Monica O'Brien on August 16, 2011 at 11:41 am | permalink |
Thanks for that lucid argument to attend business school. I'm 28 – so have missed the earliest opportunity to go to business school. However; looking around at my colleagues, I note that I am 10 to 15 years younger than most in my position. I suppose, I'm asking/wondering, if 28 is too old to go for my MBA. And – if it is worth it, since I have already achieved one of the goals of an MBA, i.e. advancing in your career to a point not typically associated with someone my age.
And thank you for articulating the difficulty of meeting a smart man if you are a smart woman!
Nat
Posted by Nat on August 17, 2011 at 10:58 am | permalink |
Good post, Penelope. My only comment is that you will have more insight about women aging once you are 60. I've had executive positions at Fortune 500 companies and my children are almost raised, but I have never been more "easy in my mind" than now. When I stopped working 10 years ago, I determined to stay interesting to my husband. I spend my days on my small cut flower business, garden coaching and occasional marketing consultation, but I also have time to read, volunteer and play with the grandchildren. I am invisible to many young people, but that is their loss. The smart/curious ones seek me out. I am not an anomaly. Life really does get better as you age, probably since you figure out what is important to you and focus on that.
Posted by Earth Girl on August 16, 2011 at 11:49 am | permalink |
This is a great blueprint for you and for any alpha Barbies that feel as strongly about family, kids and marriage as you do, but it's not the end all be all blueprint for all women. I love being single, independent and childless. I wish I'd had a different blueprint because I made mistakes too, but to funnel myself into a marriage and give up my own independence and personal freedom for a man and a family would put me on the fast track to a psych ward. Love your writing and your passion but this is not the blueprint I wish I'd followed. Leave the door open for others!
Posted by Becky Blanton on August 16, 2011 at 11:51 am | permalink |
Becky. You could say the same thing about being gay, right? Because advice to most women does not apply to all women.
But by far, the majority of women are straight and want kids. So it seems absurd to talk about how this advice does not apply to all women. Of course no piece of advice applies to every single person.
That said, there is a huge, huge amount of research to show that women who are married are much happier than women who are not. This has nothing to do with feminism or independence. It has to do with love and companionship and commitment, and people who have that are happier. I don't make this up. I'm just reporting the research.
Also, I am a huge advocate of not having children because they do not make people any happier. I think children is an irrational behavior that most people want to engage in. Here's the analysis about why you should not have kids if you can make that choice:
http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2008/11/18/what-women-can-do-when-theyre-young-to-be-happy-later-on/
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on August 16, 2011 at 12:01 pm | permalink |
Following this thread, woman do not necessarily give up any more personal freedom than a men do when getting married. Of course I'm assuming there is no lying and cheating going on, and that husband and wife are both friends and bringing in separate incomes. My wife and I have this arrangement, and we chose to remain childless. The result? We couldn't be happier. We have are separate careers and our time as ONE. We're never bored because we are constantly changing outside the relationship as well as inside it. The dynamic is fluid and free and BALANCED, which allows change and discovery to happen into our future together. Yes, we're lucky, "T" and I. We found each other and it was a great match.
Irv
Posted by Irving Podolsky on August 16, 2011 at 12:19 pm | permalink |
IT IS IRRATIONAL! ugh! it's absurd and it makes me so mad that I am happy to be pregnant. I just don't get it. And no one can give me a straight answer as to why we need to have kids. NO ONE.
But we still want them anyway.
Even if it means that your awesome Mexico vacation possibilities are cut in half!
Posted by karelys davis on August 16, 2011 at 12:39 pm | permalink |
Very confused about all the "this will make you happy" research. What I've read is that marriage makes men happier, not women. Or is that about increasing longevity? In any case, I've also read that marriage does absolutely nothing for anyone's happiness. Almost nothing does. Happiness is hard wired into us, and we either are or aren't. Pursuing things makes us happy more than achieving those goals does. I get a dopamine rush from finding a good deal, moreso than actually owning and using it.
Posted by RG on August 22, 2011 at 8:00 am | permalink |
"But by far, the majority of women are straight and want kids"
In my experience, the majority of women are unique with unique ambitions which do not extend to prostituting themselves to a wealthy man.
Posted by Helen Gallagher on August 24, 2011 at 6:26 am | permalink |
Dear Brazen,
I think this is a great post – I read most of them when I have time. Although, as you expected, I don't agree with all your bullets: So I thought I would add my two cents: like you, I have done it all, worked forever, had kids young etc. 1) I have no completed advanced degree – I decided that making money was more important – and this advantage over those with advanced degrees has paid me back three fold. 2) No plastic surgery so far: Although I would love to have a boob Reduction, I am covered in freckles, don't do heavy sun and have taken care of my skin – so the message here girls – take care of your skin and you won't need that PS….it's also about the genes. 4) Homeschool: I don't homeschool, but I am a youth leader and teach. I have taught my children tons of things but am glad to see them benefit from their relationships with other adults – These relationships make them more independent. Don't discount the importance of exposing kids to relationships with other people. it matters. and finally 4) the 40s. Well, this one worries me because I truly hope that I can keep it all together in my late 40s. I hate to think my life is over. Fortunately, I don't think the generation coming down the pike has got the goods…..they are spoiled, indulged and have never really had the tough stuff until now. The word NO comes to mind……so I am hoping that my work ethic and my personal brand of perseverance continues to be my calling card to get me through yet another decade. Thanks brazen.
Posted by Gege on August 16, 2011 at 11:53 am | permalink |
I think you should re-title this post "A list of controversial ideas that will increase my blog traffic."
Hope it works!
-Joe
Posted by Joe on August 16, 2011 at 11:55 am | permalink |
And your comment should be "I'm just commenting with a link to my site to try to improve search rankings"!
Posted by Mark on August 16, 2011 at 1:52 pm | permalink |
Smart women in their 20s are looking for husbands and cannot be 100% focused on some pie-in-the-sky startup. Women in their 30s are having kids and trying to figure out how to work less. Men are more easily focused solely on work. That's why there is a salary gap between men and women: Because women focus on work and family, and men focus only on work. D
This is disgusting. Please stop spouting this nonsense. There are actually some impressionable minds left on the internet. This level of idiocy belongs in the dark ages.
Posted by Sarah on August 30, 2011 at 4:56 pm | permalink |
It brought you here didn't it?
Posted by Liane on August 18, 2011 at 10:15 pm | permalink |
Joe:
Great minds…
Apparently it has never occurred to Trunk that many of the changes we find beneficial were brought about by people who were willing to seek something beyond simple accommodation to whatever crummy situation they found themselves born into. They were sometimes unhappy. Frustrated. Nor were they martyrs. They did what they needed to.
I understand many women today just want to be free riders — do nothing, but claim all benefits if the efforts of other women work out. It's your life, but if things break the wrong way, don't come whining about how misunderstood/screwed over you are as a woman. No one will care.
Posted by Unfazed on August 26, 2011 at 3:50 pm | permalink |
Wow… more take-aways from this post than 99% of what I've read this year and I'm not even a woman in her 20's… or 40's… or at all!
Thanks for always giving it straight, Penelope. I'm sending this to my wife who has accidentally (against her better judgement, perhaps) accomplished a few of these already.
Posted by Josh on August 16, 2011 at 11:59 am | permalink |
I totally agree with Josh's comment… this article is ridiculous.. botox? plastic surgery? business school? tons of sex? all to feel 'happier', good about yourself, and please society… it just makes me cringe when I see articles like this being put out there as 'good advice'.
Posted by Anjali on August 24, 2011 at 4:02 pm | permalink |
Plain and simple this post is fabulous. Let's cut the cheer-cheer crap. It's all true and no nonsense. My husband and I were talking about this the other day – life timelines and I wish I'd been as smart about it as is outlined here.
I have three daughters. I'm 36 and I run two successful businesses (thankfully with a fabulous team). Enough with the rah-rah you're fabulous as you are. Pretty gets ahead, smart stays ahead, get an MBA – whether for the money, the husband, or the perceived "education". My point of difference? Make it a point to marry the right husband for you from the onset rather than staying with a poorly choosen husband to begin with.
Posted by ariana jalfen on December 14, 2011 at 7:43 pm | permalink |
Plain and simple this post is fabulous. Let's cut the cheer-cheer crap. It's all true and no nonsense. My husband and I were talking about this the other day – life timelines and I wish I'd been as smart about it as is outlined here.
I have three daughters. I'm 36 and I run two successful businesses (thankfully with a fabulous team). Enough with the rah-rah you're fabulous as you are. Pretty gets ahead, smart stays ahead, get an MBA – whether for the money, the husband, or the perceived "education". My point of difference? Make it a point to marry the right husband for you from the onset rather than staying with a poorly chosen husband to begin with.
Posted by ariana jalfen on December 14, 2011 at 7:53 pm | permalink |
Are you serious with this post? Or is this just a big joke-social experiment to see how many women are going to buy this. Just a comment that almost every piece of advice in this post treats women and gives women advice only in relation to men…it's kind of…weird and condescending. I just can't imagine men giving each other advice on how to run their lives and it being basically about how to define yourself in relation to wommen as a gender, your wife, your female business partner…etc. Women get more unhappy as they age? Please. Personally I became seriously depressed by the increasing social pressure (society + friends + family + partner + partner's family) to a) get married b) have babies c) compromise everything I wanted to do in life in order to keep a man happy and have babies and make grandchildren to make other people happy. Getting older and realizing that women are under incredible pressure to please a WHOLE LOT of other people (including strangers, like "society", their parents, their siblings, their husband) would definitely make you less happy as you age…when you suddenly wake up at 45 and realize that you've been making all your choices in relation to keeping other people happy. Men don't experience this pressure, as far as I can tell. The moment I realized that I could do everything I need in my own life myself and make myself happy by deciding to, I was free. And no one needs a husband, a male business partner, or botox, to achieve happiness…that's ludicrous. I also have Asperger's and find your advice incredibly anxiety-provoking…juggling all of this fake social interaction …and for what? This is certainly a blueprint for living your life in relation to men. Here's my blueprint advice for a fulfilled life: Other people will always give you advice based on what they think is best for themselves. Don't listen to most people. Carry a picture of yourself as a kid and promise to fulfill THAT person's ambitions/goals/dreams. Listen to your intuition. hater's are gonna hate..so just keep trucking and choose your happiness because no one else can give it to you.
Posted by Hrrrm on August 16, 2011 at 11:59 am | permalink |
I totally agree. I do think this is no-nonsense advice for women who want certain things out of life. For me, I would be happy if I met a man I wanted to marry, but it's not my goal in life. I don't really care if I have kids or not. And, I may only be 31, but I'm much happier now than I was in my teens or 20's. I do try to take the feelings of my loved ones into account in some decisions, but you ultimately have to life your life for yourself.
By the way, Penelope. I know you posted that study about kids and divorce before. I personally knew my parents weren't happy and it made our household miserable. When my parents finally did get a divorce when I was in my 20's, my sisters and I only wondered what took so long.
Hmm, this is another reason I almost don't want to get married. Especially not to have children. I'd rather be single than stuck in an unhappy marriage.
And is it really just women that are supposedly more unhappy as they age? Or just people in general? I think a lot of it has to do with your own mindset and how stuck you are on if you reached certain milestones in life, uselessly comparing yourself to other people.
Posted by Erin on August 16, 2011 at 12:14 pm | permalink |
"when you suddenly wake up at 45 and realize that you've been making all your choices in relation to keeping other people happy. Men don't experience this pressure, as far as I can tell."
Tell that to fathers that wake up when they're 45 to find that their wives have divorced them to follow some "Eat Pray Love" variety nonsense, and they're stuck in a job that they hate and have worked tirelessly at for years in order to support a family, a job that they can't quit because they need to pay child support to keep their former wife (not kids, the wife, because if it was just for the kids then custody would go to the spouse most able to take care of them financially and emotionally) at a level of luxury that she's "accustomed to," while she fights for full custody of their kids for no reason other than to stick it to the father, and spends her time dating new guys.
Do you not think that this happens? I assure you that it does. The Men's Rights Movement might have some ridiculous ideas, but it started for a reason. Men in America were brought up under certain notions of how marriage and family life would work, and the rampage of irrational feminism has pulled the rug out from under it. I believe in feminism as long as it goes towards making men and women equal under the law – and no further. The vast majority of women were happier under traditional gender roles. This has been studied in scholarly papers, one of which found that women were subjectively happier 40 years ago than they are today:
http://www.nber.org/papers/w14969
Posted by Lisa on August 16, 2011 at 12:27 pm | permalink |
"Tell that to fathers that wake up when they're 45 to find that their wives have divorced them to follow some "Eat Pray Love" variety nonsense, and they're stuck in a job that they hate and have worked tirelessly at for years in order to support a family, a job that they can't quit because they need to pay child support to keep their former wife (not kids, the wife, because if it was just for the kids then custody would go to the spouse most able to take care of them financially and emotionally) at a level of luxury that she's "accustomed to," while she fights for full custody of their kids for no reason other than to stick it to the father, and spends her time dating new guys."
WOW. This post says a lot of your view of your own gender. Why should men buy into this traditional role bull crap anymore than anyone else? Of course men are conditioned socially too – they should question their own assumptions too. Here's a novel idea: people should do what feels right for them, and stop trying to fulfill some socially constructed road map for life. Men and women both.
"The vast majority of women were happier under traditional gender roles. This has been studied in scholarly papers, one of which found that women were subjectively happier 40 years ago than they are today"
Bahaha!!! So this is why we should try to go back in time? How ridiculous. People should stop telling other people how to live their lives…stop putting social pressure on people to tell them an external measure of happiness…and anyway, nothing lasts forever…that's the only thing you can count on..no matter how happy or sad you are..live the best life you can and make the best decisions you can given the context and your life experience…forget trying to measure up on the happiness meter…it's futile and CAUSES more unhappiness than it provides…
Posted by Hrrrm on August 16, 2011 at 1:09 pm | permalink |
Any respectable feminist is going to tell you that feminism is about equal rights for all people.
"Yes, feminism is a movement that stands for women's rights but it does not end at simply claiming equal rights with men. It is a movement which knows that every human being was created equal and pushes for the expression of that certainty in every sphere of life from professional to public life and also in personal life."(feminism.com)
Posted by Elizabeth on August 23, 2011 at 1:33 pm | permalink |
"The vast majority of women were happier under traditional gender roles"
Bollocks. It was more that no-one ever asked their opinion.
Posted by Helen Gallagher on August 24, 2011 at 6:28 am | permalink |
Thanks for that reply. I'd like to read a blog for women in their 60s.
Posted by Jan Hogle on August 17, 2011 at 7:38 am | permalink |
blueprint for the woman in her 60s?
I heard/saw Jane Fonda being interviewed on a public TV channel yesterday by Charlie Rose. She was being asked about her new book, which bears resemblance to Penelope's points–including plastic surgery. Jane had comments about sexuality when you are an older woman, as well.
Fonda spoke about her Viet Nam war protests and a troublesome photo from those days. She spoke about being a lifelong learner. She spoke a great deal, actually, about being curious, finding interesting things and being interesting (a lot like Penelope), and always wanting to learn something.
Another point: how she arrived at a certain spirituality when she turned 58.
Posted by chris Keller on August 18, 2011 at 8:38 am | permalink |
Sigh. I really liked you Penelope. I did. But telling women that they have to stay with their abusive husbands, until they kill them, or their kids will be ruined in un-helpful and cruel. So Is telling single, hard working mothers that they are failing their children by not home schooling them.
I was with you on everything, until this post. You should move to Salt Lake City. You'd fit in PERFECTLY here. Nearly EVERYONE does it "your" way.
Posted by Katrina Miller-Fallick on August 16, 2011 at 12:00 pm | permalink |
I believe Penelope's point is not to fall victim to the idea that if you are not completely happy in your marriage it is better for your kids if you split. Any outlier, extreme circumstance, i.e. physical abuse, would make independent advice necessary. Her intention is to draft a blueprint for general circumstances but assuming she thinks women should stay with men even if their life is threatened is a bit of a stretch.
Posted by Samantha Sachs on August 16, 2011 at 1:00 pm | permalink |
If a mother divorces her abusive husband, how could she home-school, if she has to work outside the home? I guess that's the point when Brazen Career's Social Media webminar is promoted. Limited time only!
Posted by Cat on August 16, 2011 at 3:03 pm | permalink |
Yah, and I'm pretty upset that I convinced my company to pay for her webinar. Now I HAVE to go, and listen to this lunatic.
Posted by Katrina Miller-Fallick on August 16, 2011 at 5:07 pm | permalink |
Wow. Way to take a generalization and push it to the extremes. Any reasonable reading of the post says atht maintaining a marriage is best for the kids so a woman has to put up with… being relatively unhappy.
Pushing forward an example that no rational person would accept only sets up an extremely flimsy strawperson that makes me question your sanity more than Penelope's…
Posted by Fred on August 19, 2011 at 10:23 pm | permalink |
"It's nice to have a funded company because then the investors are taking the financial risk and you are drawing a nice salary even when you are not really earning any revenue."
This is why Penelope's startups have tanked: Her goal is to get an idea funded and siphon off funds while the product continues to fail.
Anything to add, Penelope?
Posted by Bill on August 16, 2011 at 12:04 pm | permalink |
I'm glad I'm not the only one! I thought she was kidding and then realized she is serious.
She needs help.
Posted by PAS on August 16, 2011 at 12:41 pm | permalink |
PAS, Penelope could shed some light on this by opening up about her businesses – But she keeps it under wraps!
I think it's very interesting, I just want more info.
Posted by Bill on August 16, 2011 at 12:44 pm | permalink |
Its really not news that in a funded start-up that investors are taking on financial risk.
Posted by Jonathan Wallace on August 18, 2011 at 5:55 am | permalink |
You MUST be kidding!
This MUST be a joke……….
If anyone buys into this then they are less educated in the ways of the world than the author of this trash.
Posted by Seriously?!? on August 16, 2011 at 12:04 pm | permalink |
I don't have kids but I agree with almost everything here in the post. One point– about women becoming invisible– is something I hear a lot. I edit a blog called Mojo40 and did a whole post on 12 Ways Not to Become Invisible After 40 http://www.mojo40.com/how-not-to-be-invisible-after-40/
Posted by Susan Kim on August 16, 2011 at 12:10 pm | permalink |
I sincerely hope this post is tongue-in-cheek. You CANNOT be serious about the plastic surgery, the staying with abusive husbands bullshit…and you seemed to have left lesbians out of these arguments entirely. What about those of us who don't WANT or NEED a man? Ahem…
I hope one day you'll clue into the fact that all the Botox in the world won't create happiness for 99.9% of women out there.
Posted by Lindsay on August 16, 2011 at 12:13 pm | permalink |
Penelope, Your blog entertains me. Do you practice what you preach in regards to fiscal responsibility?
Posted by Victoria Hunt-Richmonde on August 16, 2011 at 12:20 pm | permalink |
"Go to business school right out of the gate." Spin it however you want, but that directly contradicts several previous anti-MBA rants.
This post seems desperate. It throws in all of Penelope's historically buzz-generating gimmicks. I could run down the list but I've already lost interest.
Posted by Brad on August 16, 2011 at 12:23 pm | permalink |
This assumes that the woman in question has any interest whatsoever in business school as opposed to some other kind of career. The author also places a lot of emphasis upon marrying well, and this being a reason to go to business school… As if other considerations for a career, do not matter. After all, the title is "Blueprint for a Woman's Life", not "Blueprint for a Businesswoman's Life".
Maybe the author has good points, but I was trying too hard not to puke to find them. I agree about home schooling, though.
Posted by Pyrogen on August 16, 2011 at 2:31 pm | permalink |
This post makes me ill.
Shame on you. People take this crap literally, you know. Very irresponsible.
I was annoyed by the, "buy a new bed" post but this is ridiculous.
Bye bye.
Posted by Wtf? on August 22, 2011 at 11:04 pm | permalink |
Penelope – you are SPOT ON with this blog – sad but what you say is true. I just wish I had been told rule #1, #3 and #4 when I was in my 20's. I guess now I'll just start with botox and hope for the best….
Posted by Ali on August 16, 2011 at 12:25 pm | permalink |
Ali, you are spot on babe. I keep giggling 'cause I'm wondering, "how will I know when I need the botox?"
Posted by Jenn on August 16, 2011 at 7:47 pm | permalink |
Penelope–Excellent post, and so well-timed for me. I just finished reading The Feminist Mistake (Bennets), I think I first read about her on your blog. Bennets makes a few good points but mostly she just made me mad. I'm an X/Y straddler, I want work AND family and I was very unsatisfied with her book on this major point.
Your post is the perfect antidote. (Although, I'm sure the research backs you up on the cosmetic surgery, but I still hate everything about it.)
Posted by Anne @ Modern Mrs Darcy on August 16, 2011 at 12:26 pm | permalink |
I like you for posts like this. I don't necessarily agree with them, but they make me think about my like through a different lens, and I value that. More of this, less of the product placement crap, ok?
Posted by Lauren on August 16, 2011 at 12:26 pm | permalink |
*life. I need an editor too apparently.
Posted by Lauren on August 16, 2011 at 12:27 pm | permalink |
Amen — EXACTLY!
Posted by Lynn on August 16, 2011 at 4:10 pm | permalink |
About the pro-thinking and less product placement, I mean — not that you need an editor
Posted by Lynn on August 16, 2011 at 4:12 pm | permalink |
This advice is laden with contradictions.
How do you expect to get into business school at a young age if you do not take academics seriously?
How can you practice austerity while also spending exorbitant amounts of money on plastic surgery?
This is not a blueprint that will yield happiness or success in a woman's life. This is a blueprint for finding an insecure life partner who does not value a woman for who she is.
Posted by RMA on August 16, 2011 at 12:31 pm | permalink |
I'm passing this on to my 18-year-old daughter, said the weary woman sick of trying to have it all and be it all, while ignoring that you can't/
My feminist mom raised me belting out Helen Reddy's "I am Woman."
I bet she never dreamed I would tell my daughter, do less homework (#1) and look for a husband early (#4).
All things aren't equal, we need to just admit it, and get over it.
Posted by Lisa McLeod on August 16, 2011 at 12:33 pm | permalink |
Do what you will, but the article's condescending, guilt-inducing tone will likely make your daughter feel rebellious.
Posted by Pyrogen on August 16, 2011 at 2:34 pm | permalink |
Teenagers are SUPPOSED to feel rebellious, and actually rebel on occasion.
If your teenager is 100% compliant, you should find them a therapist.
Posted by ErikZ on August 19, 2011 at 12:11 pm | permalink |
You totally should, advising your kid to have plastic surgery and prostitute herself is great advice. Hopefully she'll rebel, study, have a bit of fun and find some actual fulfillment in life.
Posted by Helen Gallagher on August 24, 2011 at 6:32 am | permalink |
Completely disgusting. Things are not equal, but I am not willing to get over it.
Posted by K on August 26, 2011 at 11:46 am | permalink |
this whole post cracked me up! hard! it's awesome
Now let's watch Jezebel have a stroke while we make decisions that will improve our lives and happiness
Posted by karelys davis on August 16, 2011 at 12:35 pm | permalink |
Ha! You know I am Jezebel's target audience, and even I think they are a bunch of jerks.
Posted by Alli on August 16, 2011 at 3:34 pm | permalink |
Jezebel is a joke. Most of the real, "I'm not shaving my pussy for no man" (or the I shave because I want to) feminists I know roll their eyes at the blither that comes out of jezebel.
That being said, unless you are actually very ugly or disfigured, plastic surgery is a stupid idea. I can understand botox, a $300 haircut and all of the non-austerity things business women do to give themselves every advantage, but plastic surgery is too much.
Can you imagine never seeing your actual face ever again because of some job?? Boob jobs for your boyfriend and a nose job for your job is no way to live your life.
Posted by Twister on August 16, 2011 at 4:53 pm | permalink |
Ummm, what happens after 45?
Posted by Beckie on August 16, 2011 at 12:35 pm | permalink |
Good question.
My guess would be that since you've structured your life around "biological" men's rules (Look great, don't earn too much, keep him happy, etc.) that you have a couple of choices.
1) Continue to get plastic surgery to try to stave off any signs of aging so that you can stay married/secure (I hope they have it for bodies/diseases/health problems too).
2) Initiate a divorce and hope for a good settlement (since you have basically been trying to keep things happy for both of you [he apparently has no need to do this in reverse]).
3) Accept a divorce because your husband is now keeping himself happy with a 25-year-old (well, you picked a guy who partially married for looks and youth, right?). Hope for good settlement since you have not earned "your own" money.
4) When you do show signs of aging that can no longer be staved off, then I guess… die? Sounds like there would be no reason to keep on living (oh, maybe… grandchildren?)
I know some people who are together or married because they genuinely like each other, and they *both* want the other to be happy. They each accept that the other will age – they would probably see that 25-year-olds look beautiful and young, but they wouldn't want to be with them because they value shared experiences and memories. But it sounds like that's impossible?
I read this and I can see some truth in it. OTOH, there will always be some people like this. It's only if/when I think of EVERYONE being like this that I really just want to be a fish or something.
Posted by Pen on August 16, 2011 at 1:06 pm | permalink |
Brilliant. I agree wholeheartedly. I also agree with the first commenter that this could very well be your best post ever.
The only problem is that I would not have taken these suggestions seriously at age 18 or 20.
Kimberly
Age 42
Posted by Kimberly Rotter on August 16, 2011 at 12:37 pm | permalink |
What would your blueprint for Man's life be? I imagine having seen what you have seen, you must have some advice for men starting their career as well. Go to an elite business school, find a wife, and go be a farmer? Some times I think that might not be such a bad idea. Or at least the farmer part.
Posted by Eduardo on August 16, 2011 at 12:46 pm | permalink |
It sounds like the role for men is to simply earn money. Women will take care of the rest.
Posted by Pen on August 16, 2011 at 1:08 pm | permalink |
Yeah, Penelope, I'd be interested in hearing about what advice you have for young, male, professionals.
Posted by Todd on August 16, 2011 at 9:18 pm | permalink |
Hi Penelope. I wonder something. You said you wouldn't have made the mistakes you did if you had had a blueprint like the one you're giving. Good. On the other hand, if you hadn't done those mistakes, would we still have a Penelope Trunk to believe in?
I think whatever mistakes we do, they're part of us. Your blueprint will show how to avoid certain mistakes, but we would make others anyway. Mistakes will always happen.
The important thing is to remember that mistakes don't drive our life. It's what you do with them that does.
Posted by Alex Dogliotti on August 16, 2011 at 12:46 pm | permalink |
re mistakes: Jane Fonda, in an interview about a new book she's written, talked a lot about the mistakes she's made, including her parenting mistakes, and what she has learned from them.
Posted by chris Keller on August 18, 2011 at 8:41 am | permalink |
Thank you, Alex. I couldn't thoroughly articulate my thoughts until I read yours. I think we all probably have a blueprint for how to have lived a better life somehow. But life is an organic situation, not a mathematical one. And regret is a form of fear.
Posted by Heidi on August 19, 2011 at 2:14 am | permalink |
None of my English essays in high school were on time, except my final course work, which I handed in three months early and got full marks on. And I was captain of girl's cross country back then, and now do triathlons. I don't want kids so I skipped over all that stuff, and I have a stock portfolio and get $15 hair cuts. And even though I am reading Naomi Wolf right now, I do have a friend who works at a plastic surgeon's office and gives discounts to her friends, so I am keeping that one in the bank. I want to get my MBA (for bragging rights, not for anything else, the same reason I got an MA) and I also want to start a company (if I ever have a brilliant must-do idea, my dad might help me fund it, but I will also keep an eye out for other potential partners. Maybe that's another reason I should go to business school?).
So your blueprint makes me think I am doing things right. Which makes me happy. But if things don't work out and my personal life tanks I am still going to East Africa to work at an elephant orphanage.
Posted by Harriet May on August 16, 2011 at 12:48 pm | permalink |
Penelope writes constantly about being unhappy with her life and marriage. This like taking advice on health from someone who failed out of medical school. I don't mean that to be snarky and I see that it sounds like that way, but really. This is just absurd, considering the very alarming things Penelope often shares about the state of her life and mental well-being.
Posted by A. on August 16, 2011 at 12:49 pm | permalink |
You know why I like this post? I like it because knowing the blueprint some women follow will help me know how to spot the kind of women I want to avoid. I prefer to marry a woman who has a bit more self respect and isn't so insecure about her appearance. Besides, I find natural women more attractive.
P.S. Small typo with private school costs. Should be $40,050.
Posted by Yuse Lajiminmuhip on August 16, 2011 at 12:50 pm | permalink |
Go you!
Posted by Pen on August 16, 2011 at 1:10 pm | permalink |
Haha, Penelope, you kill me. There is no way I would have had the guts to follow your blueprint. It would have felt like a betrayal of the values I was raised with.
But if I had, I think my family would be prouder of me today than they are.
Posted by Becky on August 16, 2011 at 1:02 pm | permalink |
Tell me about it. I was raised hearing that I could do anything and should be a CEO, millionaire, first female president etc.
It is SO obvious that my mother in particular would be proudest if I were unambitious, "pretty" in a Miss America/model way and married to a surgeon (and wore the diamonds and furs that he bought me while driving the Caddy that he bought me). It's like for parents in the 60s-90s range the 1950s never ended – a woman is successful when she has a doctor and a mink!
Makes me want to puke. Doesn't influence my behavior except to alienate me from my family.
Posted by MJ on August 16, 2011 at 3:29 pm | permalink |
"But if I had, I think my family would be prouder of me today than they are."
That's not necessarily a good thing
Plus, don't assume.
Posted by Helen Gallagher on August 24, 2011 at 6:35 am | permalink |
Re You ladies know that Maternity Leave, UNPAID in USA, right? Some mothers do not take it because they can't afford it.
For the comments to this post, is easy to infer that the readers of this blog is almost 100% mommybloggers and mom-preneurs. Oy Vey!
Posted by Jan on August 16, 2011 at 1:09 pm | permalink |
Totally agree! I'm sure there is some company out there that offers paid maternity leave, but I've worked for 2 large nonprofits, 2 Fortune 500 companies and a law firm and not one of them offered paid maternity leave. The best thing you get is a guarantee that they won't fire you while you're taking maternity leave.
Also, how on earth are women supposed to both work and homeschool? Does homeschooling take up way less time than I imagine it does?
Posted by ama on August 16, 2011 at 1:32 pm | permalink |
@ ama – I guess most of the commenters are stay at home moms that majored in communications in college.
This blog has changed. PT used to be like a cool aunt. Now she writes like a middle age woman who tries to pass her bitterness for wisdom. So sad.
Posted by Jan on August 16, 2011 at 2:44 pm | permalink |
getting plastic surgery will give you a wider choice of men because you'll be attractive to the larger group of less-discerning and more superficially-minded men who aren't repelled by women who engage in such creepy and superficial practices rather than the smaller group of discerning, thinking men who value natural and inner beauty, authenticity, and integrity. the choice is yours. for my part, I wish a whole hell of a lot more of you made that choice wisely.
Posted by walt on August 16, 2011 at 1:10 pm | permalink |
Walt,
I'm a woman who thinks exactly like you. And I've been married for almost 20 years to a man who thinks similarly. I actually hope all women get plastic surgery — it will be a good insurance against him leaving me for one of them
.
P., I'm glad I didn't have to follow any of your advice to become a happy 45 year old woman who loves her job and her married life and enjoys a fulfilling career.
Posted by Chris M. on August 17, 2011 at 10:13 pm | permalink |
Welcome to homeschooling. Our family (parents and kids) dig it… I'm looking forward to you posting about how home-schooling is like running a start-up. Because it absolutely is (I have the requisite experience to make such a judgment). Just like for the start-up, you need a network. How successful you will be hinges greatly on that network. Best of luck. Welcome to the club.
Posted by Fred on August 16, 2011 at 1:16 pm | permalink |
Reading this actually gave me chills – I just made the homeschool decision on Sunday and now there's no turning back now. Thanks so much for so brilliantly validating some major life decisions I've recently made – spot on!
Posted by Elizabeth on August 16, 2011 at 1:26 pm | permalink |
"Get plastic surgery" This is hands down the worst advice i have ever seen. Plastic surgery does not make you look classy or intelligent, it makes you look desperate. Age gracefully and get the better job because you deserve it, not because you have puffier lips or larger breasts.
You are facilitating this towards the future of young women. Thats just terrible. We will never have equality between the sexes, races, and cultures if we keep this mentality of 'Well, its a white mans world and you can get around in it by being a white man, or a sexy woman'.
This is not even to mention that it teaches women to feel that they are not good enough unless they look a certain way. Pitiful.
Posted by Greg Ferrell on August 16, 2011 at 1:27 pm | permalink |
why should your life be the blueprint for all women? You always talk about how the Gen Y is different from Xers and boomers and GenZ is going to be even more different, yet when it comes to women you simply put them in this one big category. As a boomer your views are a reflection of your times, why should it be the blueprint for everybody else.
Posted by Sadya on August 16, 2011 at 1:27 pm | permalink |
To be clear, I have definitely not lived my life according to this blueprint. No one gave me advice like this which is why I feel so compelled to give the advice now, for women coming after me.
Also, I'm not a boomer. Splitting hairs, I know, butI love love love that I'm generation x.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on August 16, 2011 at 6:28 pm | permalink |
With two step daughters, one in her mid 20's and one in her early 30's, i conclude that finding a man, what other young women are doing with or without men, beauty products and ideas and what to eat, takes up a lot of mental energy. A realistic perspective on the business world would be some time well spent but I don't see it happening.
Posted by Carl on August 16, 2011 at 1:30 pm | permalink |
Penelope, I just want to be someone to say that I think without you, I would not have been aware of all these things.
I think it's hard to know what we want; it's hard for a successful 24-year-old to imagine that maybe in her 30s she will want kids and a husband, and to plan for these things. I am glad we have you, as someone who understands us, to let us know how to navigate what's ahead.
It's hard because women in their mid-20s are hot and hard-working, and smart and savvy, and we can be with anyone we want. We are so powerful that the idea of giving up all that control is disconcerting. And so we say that we don't want those things–marriage and kids–because of course we don't want to relinquish our autonomy and disposable income.
I opened my heart to the idea of something more meaningful. I met my wonderful partner and have been with him for almost 2 years, a guy that I have positioned (to the repulsion of lesser romantics) as my soul mate. And now I am thinking about marriage and babies, and most importantly, I am very happy.
I think without these conversations, I would have completely missed my future husband.
So thank you.
Posted by Lisa on August 16, 2011 at 1:41 pm | permalink |
Penelope,
Thank God I don't have girls who I have to protect from bad advice such as this…botox, business school, marrying for money, etc. I think you need to do more yoga.
PS: Break, not beak. Cliche and typo in one. Bonus.
Posted by Amy Dean on August 16, 2011 at 1:45 pm | permalink |
My daughter forwarded this blog to me because she thought it was great. My response to my daughter's reaction is, "Where did I go wrong as a mother?" Penelope is telling women to strive for personal mediocrity, give as little as possible, take and grab as much as you can, and use whatever manipulation is necessary to achieve these goals. And become one of the Stepford Wives with the Botox and plastic surgery! After reading all of the responses (which were much more interesting than the blog), I realize that Penelope's success (not her real name, I'm sure) is based on her ability to rile her readers, thereby promoting herself and her financial success. Not bad for a dame who tosses out superficial bull___ and calls it 'truth'. I am 68 – never had Botox, never had plastic surgery, am not invisible, am still working in a field where I'm highly respected. Left the first husband because I was miserable. Kids were damaged by the marriage, not the divorce. Loved being single for 10 years. Found Mr. Right and married him 22 years ago. Still listen to Helen Reddy belt out "I am Woman". Did my homework (but not all of it). Tried (and still try) to be the best I can be at whatever I do. And I really like myself. P.S. I notice my daughter (Kimberly, age 42) posed a comment with a different perspective. I like different perspectives. I don't want to be a Stepford wife. Ever.
Posted by Judy J on August 16, 2011 at 1:50 pm | permalink |
Amen!
Posted by LibGirl04 on August 16, 2011 at 2:43 pm | permalink |
Good comments, mom. Just a different interpretation. And yes, Peneleope Trunk is not her real name. Somewhere in the archive there's a blog about how she acquired her name.
Posted by Kimberly Rotter on August 16, 2011 at 10:02 pm | permalink |
Judy,
You have no idea what it's like for a 20/30-something woman. We were all breastfed on the kool-aid and now it's screwed us over.
More often than not the 20s are a decade of working our asses off and STILL hitting that glass ceiling, wages that don't keep up with cost of living, meaningless bootycalls, raunchy television, society/media/men telling us we're ugly unless we look like kate moss or kim kardashian…etc. etc. etc.
Penelope offers a cold, hard reality check.
Posted by Mel on August 17, 2011 at 3:40 pm | permalink |
> Judy, You have no idea what it's like for a 20/30-something woman.
Are you serious?? Those of us on the "edge" of Gen X (or even into the Boomer years) had to deal with all of that and MORE. Glass ceiling? Try breaking into business when women working as anything other than secretaries/ glorified maids was the norm. Mad Men hits a nerve because that's the way it WAS, even into the 90's in many fields. Leaving a child in daycare was tantamount to abuse and forget staying any later than 6:00 p.m.- the typical agency charged $5.00 a MINUTE for latecomers, who were looked at with disdain because *obviously* WORK came first before the welfare of the child.
Your indignation makes me smile. Indulgently.
PLUS… we had to walk uphill 5 miles to work BOTH WAYS. AND had to bring our own coffee because Starbucks didn't exist. Dang it!
Posted by Daisy on August 22, 2011 at 2:01 pm | permalink |
Yawn. Look at your role models for goodness sake.
Posted by Helen Gallagher on August 24, 2011 at 6:37 am | permalink |
This post had me really depressed for the future of humanity, but Judy, Daisy and Helen Gallagher have given me the will to live again!
Posted by Helen on August 28, 2011 at 11:51 pm | permalink |
This article read like something from The Onion. You need some serious help. I think you've done enough "self reflection" and it's time to seek out professional mental health services. I'd have been happy to see you attribute your success to hard work, dedication, and intelligence but you decided to make plastic surgery and botox large contributors. You're shallow, vain, and above all else somewhat of an idiot. I hope no young women have taken your advice seriously and I hope that your kids don't turn out like you.
Posted by Rob on August 16, 2011 at 1:59 pm | permalink |
Rob , the lady may deserve criticism but leave her kids out of it. Its just plain nasty.
Posted by Sadya on August 16, 2011 at 3:51 pm | permalink |
I hate posting comments on posts like this because this post is manipulative. It's controversial enough to increase traffic. Penelope, seriously. You need to see a coach or a therapist and get more clear about your own personal issues before broadcasting such heinous advice. You're freaking people out and people don't make great choices for their lives based on fear.
Posted by margot on August 27, 2011 at 11:45 am | permalink |
Well. I am a way-over-40-something with really, really good genes (you should see my mother). And I've kind of lived by these tenets except without all the planning or botox. Had my kids by the time I was 35; glad of it. Left the advertising world when I knew I wanted kids to start my own business so that I could make my own decisions on how to raise them without being dependent on the kindness of advertising men (i.e., for the most part, assholes). Had (and have) a self-employed husband who could split kid-care with me. Started homeschooling in late elementary school when I realized how archaic the education system had become. Accepted long ago that it's impossible to compartmentalize everything; my work and life and completely intertwined. Decided that if I wanted to grow food, that I had to work from home for emergency weeding purposes; and electric bike comes in handy for getting to client meetings. Am not getting more unhappy as I age; am growing into myself. Helps to have faith in husband and children and friends. Biggest tumult is the change around me: parents dying, friends getting cancer, friends getting divorced. This is life. xs
Posted by Su T Fitterman on August 16, 2011 at 2:14 pm | permalink |
way to push feminism back in to the pit its been struggling to step out of. my success is not measured by the same stick that measure's a man's success. homeschooling is not the *only* way to raise a happy, brilliant, etc etc child. "biting the bullet" and staying in a miserable marriage, or worse, an abusive one is worse for the children, by far then getting out and doing it solo. this article may be for the alpha barbie girls, but the rest of us know better.
Posted by bob on August 16, 2011 at 2:17 pm | permalink |
I agree with much of what you say, but I wish you could write about this blueprint in a way that makes it sound more appealing. You make the life of a woman sound so bleak.
Posted by jean on August 16, 2011 at 2:19 pm | permalink |
WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I WAS 16????? (I'm 32 now, so I know it wouldn't be possible) BUT this is what I needed to hear then and not the crap I did hear which turned out to be totally wrong and so far removed from reality that it made me nutty. For a while…then I was lost…now I'm found…kind of – have MA to do, just need part time job and place to live. Finally doing my own thing.
One day I'm going to run a radical school of my own and you can come and do the career counselling
Rock on
A
x
Posted by Abi on August 16, 2011 at 2:27 pm | permalink |
Abi – love your idea of founding a school. Don't forget to include Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin as history teachers. And make sure to promote it during The Real Wives of New Jersey, or something. Awesome.
Posted by Jeannette on August 17, 2011 at 7:04 am | permalink |
What I got from this is that women are smart, savvy and kick ass. I don't think this puts any woman into a box. The woman described here would pull a shotgun on her abusive husband and throw back a martini with her friends while watching their kids in the back yard.
Admittedly, the days of a funded startup (unless you have a seriously proven track record or an MVP with traction) are gone.
Other than that, I think this post was great. Personally, I live with another woman. Does it change the dynamics of this post for me, not at all.
P.S.. why are all the men complaining here?
Posted by Kate on August 16, 2011 at 2:36 pm | permalink |
Dude, Kate – A stay at home mom who stay in a marriage "for the children" is not going to put a bullet on her only source of income. Where is the ass-kicking?
Posted by Cat on August 16, 2011 at 2:52 pm | permalink |
Kate, you hit the nail on the head.
Wow, I feel really sorry for you too. All of your advice is how to "work the system" and is a huge step backwards for all women.
How do you live with yourself?
Posted by Marcie on August 16, 2011 at 3:19 pm | permalink |
"Blueprint for a Woman's Life", otherwise entitled "How to be a Douche", or "The 1950's Housewife".
Seems to me like someone is having a midlife crisis. How can you seriously, seriously be advocating that women be leeches?
Posted by LibGirl04 on August 16, 2011 at 2:41 pm | permalink |
Yeah right, because all those 50's housewives really needed advice on who to partner with for their startup companies and when they would go for their MBAs.
But you know, real thoughtful comment you've got going on otherwise.
Posted by d-day on August 17, 2011 at 6:08 pm | permalink |
The comments were as much fun as the blog.
Bottom line, most of this advice is crazy. There were some bites in there that I thought were okay, but milking the system for maternity checks? Have some dignity at least. There must be another way. And you think home schooling is the answer? The school system may not be perfect but I've always found it is what you do with your kid outside of school is what makes the difference.
I do enjoy reading your blog…..but seriously….. I wonder what you will think of some of this advice ten years from now.
Posted by Telemon on August 16, 2011 at 2:42 pm | permalink |
I disagree with # 2. It shouldn't be "Get plastic surgery." It should say, "Be beautiful." And you just have to be born beautiful. You can get surgery and still not be beautiful so that's a waste.
Also, instead of telling women who wan to work part-time so they can be with their children more to start companies, why not tell them to be nurses? I don't see how any start-up or company could be part-time if you're truly running it yet you can work 3 12-hour days as a nurse and make a good living, especially if your spouse is also working. If you become an advanced practice nurse, you can still work part-time and make even more money than an RN.
For all the people angry about this post, it is sort of disgusting and sort of true and sort of bullshit all at once. The reason I can take it somewhat seriously is that I know PT hasn't followed at least half of this list!
Posted by Joselle on August 16, 2011 at 2:49 pm | permalink |
Honestly, this is silly, juvenile, and about 20 years backwards. I kind of feel sorry for you….that you actually believe this is what it takes to be a 'happy' woman. You clearly have not done a lot of polling, nor your research. Have fun getting botox!
Posted by Joanna on August 16, 2011 at 2:59 pm | permalink |
I used to follow you. Now I'm not. Your commentary is contradictory and elitist in nature. I would love to see your advice doled out to the cashier at your neighbourhood grocery store….and let's see what the 'average' person thinks of your 'brazen' strategies. If your post was to garner commentary it succeeded. It also succeeded in telling me quickly how outdated you truly are and succeeded in my unfollowing of your advic. Never mind botox to keep you from becoming invisible…you've succeeded all on your own.
Posted by Ana on August 16, 2011 at 3:01 pm | permalink |
My 18 year old self could have filled a trans-continental road trip with an internal diatribe as to just how and why you were misguided on each and every point.
My 43 year old self believes that you are at least as smart as you think you are.
Interesting how time calibrates the idealism/reality continuum.
I would substitute weight management for plastic surgery for the younger years. I spent years with the mindset that judgements based on weight were shallow and that being a size 14 weeded out the superficial jerks. (Talk about re-framing . . .) Unfortunately, it wasn't until I was 35 and engaged that I discovered that my body requires lowcarb and that being sized 6-8 is WAY more fun on every level. Again, there's the idealistic vs. realistic view.
I'd love to know if those of us in our mid-forties are the most likely to agree with the gist of your blueprint.
If you were homeschooling a Gen Z daughter, how would you tweak the blueprint? If you see college as reverting back to its bourgeois roots, what, that is specific to females, do you foresee replacing the scaffolding that is now a BA and MBA ?
Is this model only accurate in hindsight? Perhaps only applicable to our generation?
Hmm, come to think of it, I'll bet even my 38 year old self could have gotten a good 4 state rant out of this post.
Posted by MBL on August 16, 2011 at 3:06 pm | permalink |
I've been thinking that a priority regarding education/homeschooling should be in developing executive functioning skills/strategies. I just love that that I failed to follow through with my intent to put that into my initial post.
Last night I was reading an interesting article regarding internet addiction and changes in brain anatomy and autism with a convoluted chicken or the egg thing going on. http://autistscorner.blogspot.com/2011/08/british-neuroscientist-thinks-internet.html That made me wonder how video gaming, per point 1, affects neural connections and growth and executive functioning . . .
Posted by MBL on August 16, 2011 at 3:25 pm | permalink |
No wonder the Chinese are eating our lunch.
Why people, besides intelligent-design followers, want to home-school? The only case I know is this one exceptional family. But, the children & their parents were self-aware, creative,extremely disciplined, and well-rounded(not need to add, very wealthy).
But the average American, with that "I suck at math" mentality, teaching Algebra? Poor children.
Posted by Sayonara on August 16, 2011 at 3:25 pm | permalink |
Home schooling is popular because the public schools, in so many cases, have become so very, _very_ bad. It's not universally so, but it's very common, and even the good ones have been badly damaged by the 'dumbing down' trends of the last few decades.
Granted homeschooling is not necessarily the answer, but there is no question that the public school system is badly broken (and it isn't mainly a question of funding, some of the most badly performing public schools are swimming in money).
Posted by HC on September 4, 2011 at 10:07 pm | permalink |
You're probably right about many of these things. As someone else said, not the aging part–you can be smart about the stages behind you, not so much about the ones ahead of you.
But sweet Jesus, is that really how you want to live your life, who you want to be?
Posted by Chris McLaughlin on August 16, 2011 at 3:31 pm | permalink |
Congratulations. With this bit of backwards, offensive, over privileged advice you've officially become the worst person on Earth.
I hope you celebrate with botox.
Posted by Wow on August 16, 2011 at 3:37 pm | permalink |
I've read your blog off & on over the years, & I have to say this is the WORST advice to give any woman. The advice a woman needs is the following – stop living your life the way others tell you if you want to be happy. Stop pursuing an "ideal image", stop boxing yourself in, stop looking for outside forces to make you happy. They won't. Only YOU will make you happy.
And for the love of god, STOP being dissatisfied with what you've got in life.
Women need to learn to accept themselves to be happy.
Posted by Kinga on August 16, 2011 at 3:43 pm | permalink |
I am curious, Penelope, what was your success rate with the women you advised? I feel like those who seem to completely agree with you about this column are the ones who felt their calling was family, kids and a comfortable home. For them this advice does make sense. But I am sure there are many millions of women out there who don't care for kids, who are and can be perfectly happy with work with or without a partner. Yes research says marriage can make women happy. Research also says being at a higher status makes people (men and women) happy. Women with kids are always at the bottom rung on the status scale. So I find most of these happiness research ultimately contradict each other.
I am not disagreeing with your advise because I am offended. I am not offended. I just think such posts should begin by saying this advise applies to those women who seek happiness via family and kids. Like men, women, do get a lot of satisfaction from work outside home. Your life path doesn't seem to leave room for all that.
Posted by TD on August 16, 2011 at 3:57 pm | permalink |
There are lots of guys who are bad at business but get away with doing almost nothing at home because that's not their focus. Then women have to pick up the slack, but I think that's hard to do during year #1 of having a baby because there's no time for anything else. I say guys should do more at home to support the women in the primary caregiver role – or even before, for that matter.
Posted by emily on August 16, 2011 at 4:01 pm | permalink |
How do I join a start-up?
Posted by Yuan on August 16, 2011 at 4:09 pm | permalink |
This is a really interesting post.
I'm glad you mentioned in a comment earlier on about how not all advice is for everybody. Although they are nuances, you post effectively skips over people who: don't aspire for marriage (or can't legally be married), people who don't work in corporate america, people who don't want kids or start-ups, etc.
And as I read through some of the really angry comments, I think it's important to keep in mind that it's just advice. Most of which is based on personal experience, observations and some research. Within two decades, I could probably go back and write a blueprint for other women (perhaps those more like myself) on how THEY should live their lives. Because honestly, every blogger (especially one who talks about lifestyle redesign) is telling you how to live. Everyone is talking about their opinions in some way, shape or form and want you to understand their vision of the world.
I'm realizing that our perceptions of reality are too individual to really attempt a one size fits on "life plan/blueprint". So when I look at your post – I think it's interesting, but doesn't apply to me because I don't have any of the goals you've discussed. But I don't think it necessarily makes it wrong or bad advice – our advice is based on our experiences and personal philosophy. There are people who have given my advice that has no correlation to anything I'm going through, yet they think it's valuable because it's based on their own lives.
Here's my own piece of advice: Don't take advice from someone who you wouldn't trade places with. And don't take advice from someone who isn't living the kind of life you want.
Posted by Tatiana on August 16, 2011 at 4:15 pm | permalink |
I kind of love this. I'm a feminist who has to live in the real world and make rent every month. I got married when I was 24, and we just celebrated our 4th wedding anniversary. I'm not going to lie, there have been some rocky moments, but being married gets easier as you go along. Nowadays I'm happy happy pretty much all the time. I am 28 though – maybe it's all downhill from here!
Career-wise, I wonder how Penelope's blueprint jives with other advice she's given in the past, e.g. using your 20's to try out different careers, which is I have done. I am finally working in the industry I want, at an amazing company, but job is entry-level and my salary is pretty pathetic. These women who are making bank at 25 – did they have a career plan laid out since high school? I admire them, but I think they must be a rare breed.
The big advantage of getting married young(-ish) is having your partner's support. Financially, of course, two incomes are better than one, but even more so the support of having someone who believes in you and will go to bat for you. When I wanted to move coasts to break into the aforementioned industry, my husband supported me, even though it meant leaving his friends and a good job. So I know that I am his priority.
Tl;dr – getting married young is a good idea, provided you can find the right partner. Wish I'd gone to business school.
Penelope – you should do one of these for gay women.
Posted by Alli on August 16, 2011 at 4:16 pm | permalink |
You're not a feminist if you agree with this.
She is saying that we are inferior. Either you're stupid or… no, actually you're just stupid.
Posted by Anonymous on November 14, 2011 at 7:03 am | permalink |
This was interesting to read.
Sometimes, when I read a lot of business-focused advice, I feel like a robot trying to become a person.
And this list makes me feel like that: I'd be a real woman if I just followed the right rules. Because that's the real trick, isn't it? It's not about following the rules. It's about knowing which ones to break.
Posted by Shannon on August 16, 2011 at 4:30 pm | permalink |
I have never been so disappointed as I am now by this post. To rally readers to increase your traffic is great tactic. But to give women such crappy advise for your own benefit, is really low.
This is maybe your reality, but it will never be strong women's reality -whatever generation they come from.
Posted by Rasha Proctor on August 16, 2011 at 4:41 pm | permalink |
There goes Penelope, riding the stats to oblivion…
The blueprint sucks.
Life is about making mistakes and learning from them, not following a recipe verbatim, even if it were a very good recipe – but this one tastes sour.
Trying to engineer happiness is folly, satisfaction is fleeting. Life is a struggle. We gain more when we give more, chasing selfish desires is the surest way to unhappiness.
The whole idea of carving your body into an image which is more appealing to others is hideous, and in my view, aesthetically rarely successful. Women gain so much as they mature, easily outweighing the loss of youthful looks to all but the superficial. We'd all be better off if we embrace our stage of life, whether we be mourning the strands of hair in the bath, or slapping on an extra coat of foundation.
Please, please, when will women stop measuring their own success in terms of men's success. We are different! A man's glory is different to a woman's but is either greater than the other?
BTW there is so much in this post, and far too many links to follow, a comment can't hope to do it justice. Perhaps the post could have been serialised?
Posted by Tony on August 16, 2011 at 4:43 pm | permalink |
This advice is spot on. Anyone who says you're wrong is either a man or in denial.
Posted by Leeann on August 16, 2011 at 5:00 pm | permalink |
Yikes. I am in my 40's and although some of what you say makes sense a lot of it makes my skin crawl. What is it with the botox, looking young and plastic surgery. Sure, if I had been more beautiful out of the box I might have had different successes, but being cute-ish enough has done me fine… and the idea that I now need to make it all fake makes me sad for myself and women everywhere. Unfortunately, Pen, I think this post is dangerous on that aspect. I don't need more self hate.
Posted by jacqueline on August 16, 2011 at 5:02 pm | permalink |
My favorite line:
"Women in their 30s are having kids and trying to figure out how to work less."
Dead on!
Posted by Kristi on August 16, 2011 at 5:02 pm | permalink |
Jesus, lady. Are you high? I really hope this article is satire- because if not- please do not under any circumstances procreate. Ever.
Posted by Wittyblonde1 on August 16, 2011 at 5:08 pm | permalink |
Too late.
The next generation is going to be fun huh?
I suggest investing in the heated floors industry, all those barefoot and pregnant socially inferior women are going to need it.
Posted by Anonymous on November 14, 2011 at 7:06 am | permalink |
I love your no nonsense take and the fact that you aren't afraid to tell it like it is regardless of the popular sentiment. My problem with blue prints is this – it ALWAYS works on paper. In practice it's never quite that black and white. I know I should eat veggies 9 times a day, exercise and practice gratitude because the statistics say I'll live longer and be happier. However, whne the alarm goes off in the morning, I never seem to get around to any of that. I'm more likely to smoke 9 times a day and if I can make it through the day with out yelling at someone, Im truly grateful. Your blueprint is awesome but lets hear how many can actually execute?
Posted by Tim Hoyle on August 16, 2011 at 5:22 pm | permalink |
Agree with #7. The only problem is the condescending attitude of friends and family who have gigantic homes with three car garages when you have very few material possessions. Still, it's better to have the flexibility and confidence that comes with knowing how to manage money. Start saving for retirement when you are in your mid 30s if not before.
Posted by Leslie on August 16, 2011 at 5:49 pm | permalink |
This is disgusting. I hope you're not serious, because, really, how could you have any self-respect after writing that?
Posted by Zoe on August 16, 2011 at 6:04 pm | permalink |
For those of you who are taking offense to Penelope's post, I think you're missing the point. The point is you can't do it all or have it all at the same time. If you want children, you need to set up your life to do that (biologically best before 35) instead of just drudging along with the "I have all the time in the world" mentality. The mistake that many women make is paying little to no attention to this part of the "setting up" process (ie: finding a husband, finishing grad school) until they are in their mid to late 30s. Suddenly, at this age, time is of the essence and then women are stuck trying to get married, have a family, and adjust their careers as fast as they can. In many instances this cannot be done or controlled and many women feel cheated because all their lives they've been told "you have time." It's a personal tragedy when you want to have a family and can't or have difficulty doing so.
Penelope, if I have missed the point and am interpreting this the wrong way, please correct me.
Posted by Carina on August 16, 2011 at 6:38 pm | permalink |
I totally agree with Carina. Those of you offended by this post have missed the point. I am 3 years older than Penelope and for the most part she is spot on with her advice. I will repeat some of what Penelope said:
*You can NOT have a great "corporate" career and a great marriage and great kids. Something will give and most likely it will be your marriage. Kids are quite resiliant, you can hand them off at any crap day care and they still tend to thrive.
*If you want to have kids, great go for it – but then someone has to take care of them. If it is the man or woman fine, but why do you guys think that it should be someone other than the two of you? Really why should both of you work at demanding jobs and you ship off the kid somewhere for someone else to raise? You all are outsourcing parenting, which actually might not be a bad idea. One should stick to their core competencies.
*No one said stay in an abusive marriage. But the luster definately goes out once you have the demands of jobs and kids and so stick with it during the less exciting times too for the sake of you, your husband and your kids.
*Procreating is not a requirement. If you are on the fence about kids, don't do it. Your life will be just as rich, fulfilling, exciting without them. Don't buy into the crap that you are selfish, luxury loving heartless person just because you don't want kids. Having kids is a career in itself, it just doesn't get the credit it deserves. And just like not everybody wants to be a doctor, not everybody wants to be a parent.
My advice for you 20 somethings if you want to avoid/delay the plastic surgery/botox Penelope is talking about start doing the following now:
*Don't smoke
*Stay out of the sun (don't tan) and always wear a high SPF sunscreen/makeup/moisturizer on your face, neck and back of hands, always not just at the beach, not just during the summer.
*Don't get overweight for your height. If you are overweight, lose the weight and then stay that weight with no fluctuation (less than 5-10lbs)from now on.
*Don't frown (sounds silly but true)
This isn't groundbreaking or new advice but I see young women all the time that don't do it. For those of you with the outcry of OMG she is advocating plastic surgery and botox, you too are missing the point. To compete in any arena, as a woman you need to look good for a long time. I am not saying "young" but good. For men it just doesn't matter. As P said it isn't fair – but it is true so get over it and do what you need to do.
Posted by betty in munich on August 21, 2011 at 11:42 am | permalink |
Betty, you will be pleased to know that as a woman of 31 –
- I have never smoked
- I stay out of the sun and wear SPF everyday
- I'm not overweight (or underweight which is also aging to the face)
- I am aware of when I frown and know that it contributes to wrinkles, so I refrain when I catch myself.
Although I look good for my age because I look after myself it does not change the fact that I really resent the fact that we live in a screwed up society that values a woman's looks and body over everything else. Yes, it isn't fair, so why do we all continue to reinforce it on each other rather than challenge the status quo?
I am tired of hearing – well that is life, get over it, and go get botox because nothing is going to change for the better – Just. Give. Up. That should have been the title of this ridiculous post. All this advice is an attempt to make the beauty ideal even more restrictive and narrower for women to attain.
And this is a path to happiness? What utter crap. Only women that have given up in life dish out this advice.
Posted by Laura on August 24, 2011 at 7:57 am | permalink |
Actually, it _does_ matter for men, just at a shadow of the same intensity and in different ways. A handsome man, at any age, generally has an easier time of it at work and at play than an average or unattractive one, but the difference is far, far smaller than for women. This is partly cultural and partly biological.
I disagree with many of the recommendations, (and I'm a male so I see them from a different angle), but she's right that some aspects of life are just sucky, and have to be recognized even if you don't give in.
Posted by HC on September 4, 2011 at 10:38 pm | permalink |
Once again I just couldn't only read your blog today, I have to let you know how awesome you are and how much I enjoy reading what you write. I argue with the people in my head as well!
smooches,
Larie
Posted by Larie on August 16, 2011 at 6:49 pm | permalink |
Ha. Ridiculous! Home schooling your kids? Really? Destroying their social life for an attempt at financial success isn't going to make their lives better. Happiness doesn't come from botox or money. Just because you supposedly haven't led your life as well as you could have, that is not to say what you didnt do is the right thing TO do.
Posted by M on August 16, 2011 at 7:01 pm | permalink |
intelligent people also watch train wrecks, "wardrobe malfunctions" Jersey Shore and the guy in the corner making a fool out of himself. It doesn't mean they admire anything they see. It's our ape like instincts to gawk at something scary. cover your eyes. look. cover your eyes. look. a curio. you are a curio in the worst possible sense of the word.
Posted by Chauncey Zalkin of whatwomenmake.com on August 26, 2011 at 12:14 pm | permalink |
Okay. So there are about 100 comments from people telling me I'm an idiot. But here's something to think about: People who are truly saying something stupid do not get any attention. I mean, there are simply too many people in the world saying moronic things for us to address them all.
Which means that we only bitch about stuff that gets under our skin. Stupidity does not get under our skin. Deep analysis that runs contrary to our closely held beliefs is what drives us to say things like, "This person is an idiot."
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on August 16, 2011 at 7:08 pm | permalink |
Most comments are actually agreeing with your view.
But really, if you call this "deep analysis", maybe you think that Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann, and that Dr Laura woman are scholars. At least the controversy of the first two ladies is because of ignorance. Yours and Dr Laura is just to get readers & listeners.
Enjoy your audience.
Posted by Jeannette on August 17, 2011 at 7:59 am | permalink |
I strongly disagree. As a South African I have had lots of practice lately being irritated by stupidity. Our major political party has a youth league whose leader, Julius Malema, says many stupid and inflammatory things. Unfortunately he has great influence, and indirectly power. So perhaps we only object to stupidity combined with power or influence.
Posted by Gillian on August 17, 2011 at 8:27 am | permalink |
That's a misrepresentation. Firstly, within the normal mix of love-it, hate-it and interesting comments there was no ground-swell of 'Penelope is an idiot'.
There is a huge jump from someone saying something stupid to believing they're an idiot. If that were true I would be surrounded by idiots, constantly.
For myself at least, my negativity was not so much about your 'deep analysis running contrary to my deeply held beliefs' (which it did), but more that people would be influenced by something I see as harmful. Your blueprint may well achieve its purpose, but I don't want to live in that world.
Remember we're here because there's something in it for us. If we are sitting here thinking you're an idiot then that must make us far bigger idiots to keep coming back.
Posted by Tony on August 17, 2011 at 4:02 pm | permalink |
"So perhaps we only object to stupidity combined with power or influence."
Agreed. Plus I don't think you're stupid – only suffering from incredibly low self esteem and perhaps in need of some mental health treatment.
Posted by Helen Gallagher on August 24, 2011 at 6:44 am | permalink |
No, it's more because your writings, your beliefs are a societal problem.
YOU are inferior, so you try and bring us all down to your level with your utterly awful advice. You and all the other stupid yet overeducated women don't see what you are doing to your gender, and how damaging it is.
Please stop giving out advice, you're what's wrong with the world personified.
Posted by Anonymous on November 14, 2011 at 7:13 am | permalink |
You need diversity training.
Posted by Jewel on August 16, 2011 at 7:14 pm | permalink |
Wow. Just wow. I realize that this may be practical advice for the world as it is, but I, for one, would like to try for a different world, a better world. And I am going to hold on to that idealism until the day that I die.
First, as a former teacher, your comment on homeschooling is b.s. Quite a few of my home schooled students couldn't find their way out of a paper bag. High school is complex, and the average parent can't teach chemistry, Spanish, and calculus. Yes, you can find people to do that for you, but most of the best ones are teaching somewhere else.
Plastic surgery? Really? Maybe I have no desire to jet-set or to live in a 500k house or whatever, but I don't think so. This is a great place to change the world rather than follow along.
The only thing you have right is the importance of biting the bullet and taking your maternity leave. I didn't just take the first year, but I've taken the first few. It ain't easy, but it's better for everyone in the family.
A lot of the rest of what you write, though, is such a gross generalization that I can't even feel sorry for anyone who reads this and takes it as the gospel truth. I fear you may damage more lives than help them. I work to live, not the other way around.
Posted by Sally Kilpatrick on August 16, 2011 at 7:20 pm | permalink |
Doesn't the social benefit of going to school with other kids outweigh the educational benefit of homeschooling?
Anyway, I don't really believe in school. Everyone has certain aptitudes, everyone will develop skills, and it all happens no matter where we go to school. The important thing is culture. For example, if we want our kids to become doctors, we should put them in a culture that will get them there — with proto-doctor kids (who exist at any school), in a community that values endless education, etc. They are much more likely to become doctors in that kind of culture than if we simply choose to school them differently.
Posted by Esther on August 16, 2011 at 7:28 pm | permalink |
I was "homeschooled".
It means I constantly don't know things that others have learned, and have an uphill struggle in social situations.
I would not recommend it to anyone.
Posted by Anonymous on November 14, 2011 at 7:17 am | permalink |
Dislike! Dislike! Dislike! Nothing about this article enforces or promotes women's rights. Your ideology is completely influenced by male opinion!! Women should be happy because they CAN accomplish anything they want too if they are willing to put the time and effort into it. A happy requires both Mother AND Father to be a part of the kids lives. Agh! Botox? Really? OMG! People get old, get over it! Age gracefully and don't become plastic. So, much about this article disturbs me on so many levels.
Posted by Vikki on August 16, 2011 at 7:30 pm | permalink |
You mean this post wasn't a parody?
Posted by Sandy on August 16, 2011 at 7:43 pm | permalink |
I'm in my 40s and I think you are probably right about women becoming invisible as they age, but ugh, I just cannot bear the idea of cosmetic surgery. It's just not me. But what I can fathom is continuing to run and lift weights, wear sunscreen, and eat well. And maybe spend a bit more money on clothes, haircuts, etc. Actually, this is great- I can tell my husband that you told me to spend more money on clothes!
Posted by Amy on August 16, 2011 at 7:55 pm | permalink |
Wow. This was the most asinine, self-serving piece of drivel I've ever read. And I read 3/4 of Twilight.
I take issue with all of it, but I'm going to address one specifically – that of home-schooling.
Since I'm assuming you were not home-schooled, then I'd imagine that your actual, practical knowledge of home-school environments is pretty lacking. So – as someone who WAS home-schooled – allow me to enlighten everyone, since you failed to do so.
I did not attend prom, or any other high school dance. I did not get to participate in any of the senior rituals and traditions. I never hung out with my friends on the quad or cheered for our football team. I never had a high school boyfriend or a high school yearbook. And graduation meant nothing to me, since I didn't actually KNOW anyone that I was graduating with.
Did I get a better education? Not really. Instead, I missed out on a plethora of classic high school moments. Would you erase your memories of throwing your graduation cap in the air or picking out your homecoming gown? Then why would you deny your children those very meaningful experiences simply so you can snobbily say, "*I* didn't send *my* little angels to some filthy public school. I hired someone else to teach them so I could get my Mercedes to the shop in time to make my 3 o'clock business meeting. Did I mention I have an MBA?"
And for those of you who say, "Looking back, prom wasn't that great" – it's easy to say that when you actually WENT.
Let's not forget that kids need to experience social interactions with kids outside of their family members. Are we supposed to seek out neighborhood kids to make play dates with? When should they have those play dates – when the other kids are at school, when they're doing their homework after school, or on the weekends when they're playing with the friends they met at school?
It's been shown time and time again that home-schooled kids, while they perform better on standardized tests, are more socially awkward. Guess what – the world doesn't give a damn if you understand advanced calculus or speak Latin. They care about how you present yourself, how you function in social situations. What's the use of being the smartest kid on the block if you're too shy and nervous to vocalize anything?
A friend of the family home-schooled her three sons. They're all very bright. They also have no idea how to share with other kids, how to behave at a birthday party, how to play basic children's games, or how to hold a conversation with anyone that isn't an adult.
If you feel that raising your own children in such a manner is appropriate, that's great – you deal with repercussions. But school is a major part of a kid's life – for you to include "home-schooling" in this over-generalized, ridiculous little blueprint of yours, for you to essentially tell other women how to raise their own kids is presumptuous, uninformed, and speaks novels of your own deep-seeded narcissism.
Posted by Rebecca on August 16, 2011 at 8:15 pm | permalink |
"It's been shown time and time again that home-schooled kids, while they perform better on standardized tests, are more socially awkward. Guess what â the world doesn't give a damn if you understand advanced calculus or speak Latin."
True, but the world _does_ give a damn if you can read well enough to fill out the paperwork on a job application, add, subtract, multiply, and divide, make change for a dollar, speak basic English well enough to express a coherent thought, or understand basic instructions at a job. The problem is not just advanced class placements, it's 'reading, writing, and arithmetic'.
The public school system is now failing, in many cases, at these _basic_ functions. Not every school, no, but many are.
I agree the homeschooling is not necessarily the answer, and I also recognize that the social interactions with other children are critically important. But this is a very serious problem in the schools.
Posted by HC on September 4, 2011 at 10:23 pm | permalink |
Looking back on my life without a blueprint…
Waited 15 years to get my MBA after youngest child was out of diapers. Realized I should have had it earlier when I saw my boss hire a fresh 24 yr old MBA and give her all the good projects and promotions. Still a big help when I finally got it
Held the marriage together till kids were grown. Glad I did this.
Wish I had attempted at least some home schooling but it wasn't around much back then
Posted by Barbara on August 16, 2011 at 8:40 pm | permalink |
THIS IS THE WAY LIFE GOES.
High school.
Uni.
Work. (You feel lonely, so you marry)
Marry.
Kids.
Retire.
Die.
Posted by false pseudo on August 16, 2011 at 9:42 pm | permalink |
Do you have a blog? I imagine it would be super thought-provoking.
Posted by Harriet May on August 17, 2011 at 9:32 am | permalink |
Harriet you are hilarious!
Posted by Sadya on August 17, 2011 at 12:13 pm | permalink |
So much to comment on!
1. Absolutely, positively correct about "guard your marriage obsessively". Of course you're not saying, "Stay with a wife beater…" You're talking about working on it for all it's it worth, not giving up over stupid stuff, and realizing how very important both parents are to kids. And, though your blueprint does not mention it, this could actually be "guard your REAL marriage obsessively." (Face it, even with a really good map or blueprint, people get lost … marriage at 18 or 19 might be that little off-course moment …)
2. "Homeschool. Your kids will be screwed if you don't." Not necessarily. Yes, lots of silly stuff sometimes in public schools and not a lot of private school options in many parts of the country (especially rural areas). However, maybe a better piece of advice might be, "No matter how you educate your children, take control." If your elementary school allows students to be absent 20 days and still "pass", use those days – take a day a month from work and go somewhere (or, just stay home one day and watch movies all day if that's what you and your kids need). If you don't agree with a curriculum topic or with a certain class … speak up, opt out, and let people know. If you want your child to have a certain teacher, speak up. Advocate. Be informed. Don't be afraid to make decisions and don't be afraid to push the "rules". With high school aged kids, find out what is required and what isn't. Make choices that work for you and your kid, not what's done because "it's done that way." If your 11th or 12th grader only needs a few credits for graduation, why not only go part-time and work part-time? Schools have a lot more flexibility than they let you know. Did you know that you can even conscientiously object to your kid taking state tests? If the dang 5th grade test is going to stress your kid out for no reason and make him hate school for 3 months … opt out. Take control, no matter what educational choice you make for your kids.
Lots of other stuff, but I know this comment is long enough! Thanks!
Posted by Amy on August 16, 2011 at 9:46 pm | permalink |
This is one post that, rather desperately, takes the personal into the public one step too far.
Much in the way the Tea Party women think that, just because they have found their way to attention in a male world they are right.
P. we all get there in our own beautiful way. There is no right or wrong. Its a path, and as you must be the first to admit, since this is really all you write about, its the path, the way, the every day, the new and amazing revelations we all come across as we grow from happy and painful experiences, that count and that get us to wherever it is we NEED to go. Before you set out these RULES, is not important to establish where we each are going? I believe that every destination and every route is different and in that case yours, in its own enthralling way belongs to you, but to assume that it can be a rule, is as arrogant as Bachman and Palin assuming that they speak for all the women who evolved over the past 40 years.
Posted by barbi on August 16, 2011 at 10:03 pm | permalink |
@ Barbi – did you ever publish your book? Your life is 10x awesomer than this Penelope Trunk's chick. You have better sense of humor, and (apparently) a good marriage, and reak financial success. Yet people prefer to read this blog than yours.
Trash sells, definitely.
Posted by Jeannette on August 17, 2011 at 7:18 am | permalink |
I much prefer reading Barbi too. Barbi, please start writing more.
Posted by Chris M. on August 17, 2011 at 10:45 pm | permalink |
Thank you! How unexpected! I'm one of 8 speakers at TED Miami on the 13th of September and in a short documentary called One Beach that premieres on the 20th. So I seem to have my "moments", and at 55 (without any work done on my appearance) am expanding not banging my head against some imaginary ceiling. I have three daughters and am very glad that I had them late, 40 and 44. Sure there are ups and downs in life, in careers and marriages, and I had my fair share of frustration at how I was treated and perceived. But mostly I'm rather grateful, and yes I will start writing more again…
Posted by barbi on August 19, 2011 at 6:40 am | permalink |
@barbi @jeannette – this is why I love the comments section of blog's like Penelope's. It is by far and away the best place to discover amazing people!
Posted by Laura on August 24, 2011 at 7:16 am | permalink |
Penelope – I read your blog every time you have post and go to your links within them. I have your book. I like what you write and don't consider you an idiot. But I do wish you will talk to women that are over 40, re-thinking our 20 year-old careers, don't have the kids (wanted them but now I'm too old) and aren't married.
Yes, we're good at sex, but is that all? Should I just be a cougar? But he can't support my life-style.
Posted by Evelyn on August 16, 2011 at 10:04 pm | permalink |
see people? ^ this is what PT wants Gen X women to avoid. no offense evelyn.
i know a lot of single, childless women in their 40s. the happiest ones are the ones that worked their butts off and became wealthy and successful. if i'm going to be single and childless in my 40s, i darnwell better be rich and not some middle management cog.
Posted by Mel on August 17, 2011 at 4:12 pm | permalink |
*sorry i meant what she wants Gen Y women to avoid.
Posted by Mel on August 17, 2011 at 4:13 pm | permalink |
Mel – I'm not unhappy with my life but I'm in my mid 40's. I can't have biological children anymore, which I wanted and tried as a single woman. And the career that I had for over 20 years came to a stop in 2010. Now I'm changing careers, I still don't know what I want. And a career just doesn't seem that pressing or important.
Do I agree with P? Not in everything. Do I wish I was married and had a family? Yes. Can I do something about it now? Maybe, but I don't want to do adopt alone. I'm looking into fostercare, but my new job makes it impossible. I run a bed and breakfast. I do love my life but that doesn't mean that I don't wish for some other options that I know I don't have.
Posted by Evelyn on August 17, 2011 at 11:46 pm | permalink |
people regret the path not taken. for every evelyn, there's a soccer mom whose kids have grown and whose marriage has grown stale who wishes she'd opted for a career and freedom.
the only cure for this syndrome is to explore the deeper, more meaningful side of what it means to be human. there are worse ways to spend your later years.
Posted by Lori on August 18, 2011 at 7:30 am | permalink |
Lori – I bought the idea that I had time.. that I didn't need to think about a family (marriage and kids) until my career was established. What P is saying, IF you want kids, you don't have that time. When I was in my late 30's and I was ok, I'm ready. I bought a house with the intention if you build it it will come. It didn't. The more successful I got the harder it was to date. And the harder it was to have a child on my own because of my age. Where now I'm aged out for a bio child.
And I'm not saying feel sorry for me. I have an amazing life, I travel, have great friends, come and go as I please. But I see friends with kids and yes, I miss them. I see couples together, and yes I miss it. And maybe if I was a soccer mom I will miss the single "successful" life. But it's about a balance. When we're in our 20's what do you want our 40's to look like.
Posted by Evelyn on August 18, 2011 at 9:00 am | permalink |
Thank you for the blueprint, Penelope. I'll take what I can use, and I was glad you included #6. I learned that one the hard way – but thankfully my marriage has prevailed.
I'm a new reader – a friend of the laptop purse lady, Alesya – and I'm surprised at how touchy and sensitive your readers are! Don't they know you? I have some advice for them: Open your minds, dear readers. Allow yourselves to consider another person's perspective. Try to learn from another person's experiences. Don't take yourselves so seriously!
Posted by Stephanie on August 16, 2011 at 10:33 pm | permalink |
I truly hope this blog entry was either a joke or an experiment of some sort. While you are more than entitled to feel this way, if you are indeed serious, my concern is that you have positioned yourself as an advice guru to young women who, God forbid, might take this crap seriously. Plastic surgery and a husband as the road to happiness? What year is this?
Posted by Deena McClusky on August 16, 2011 at 11:27 pm | permalink |
Do you realize that this article scores alarmingly high on the psychopathology test?
Posted by John Smith on August 17, 2011 at 1:32 am | permalink |
I criticize all criticisms of this blog post! I believe this lady is one of the most courageous outspoken people of our time. Read her entire blog. Maybe you will get it.
Posted by Smiley on August 17, 2011 at 1:42 am | permalink |
There is just something that is just so potent about all your ideas being packaged up in one large post and being touted as a "blueprint".
I have so much to say. I could write a longer essay; but I will strive for brevity. Congratulations, you have captured my attention and my time to write this.
To be clear, I am no writer and I am no where near as smart as you Penelope (as you constantly like to remind us all). But I like to think that mistakes are meant to be learning experiences which occur to help us to evolve and become better people.
So, I have to vehemently disagree with all of your advice. Bereft of links; it is just my instinct response to each point. Hope that is ok.
#1. Do less homework – you do your homework on any given subject throughly before posting about it. Homework when practised properly, is the discipline of researching a subject and learning to think about it critically. Penelope, maybe your life might have a bit more balance if you didn't do so much homework for your blog? But then we would all miss out of the pleasure of your interesting writing and analysis. I disagree females should do less homework. We should be developing our inner selves more and focus less on the external.
#2. Get plastic surgery – I have many girlfriends that have had plastic surgery in their 20's. Getting your boobs done may land you a (superficial) husband and possibly get you a pay rise (which they needed to pay for all the surgery) However, it certainly hasn't had the desired effect of curing the deep seeded insecurities and sadness that still resides inside each and every one of them. I cannot believe you are accelerating the beauty myth even more. And the worst part is the quick fix and the money cures all aspect of it.
#3. Go to business school right out of the gate – to put yourself in the right circles of men – to get married and have flexibility in your job down the track. That is it. It is also a privileged assumption and completely dismisses a large chunk of the population that just don't have the resources to even contemplate college let alone busisness school. I learnt the most from my entry level jobs, why encourage cutting them out?
#4. Start looking early for a husband – So i did this. I was lectured to start looking for a husband seriously at age 24. I was so career driven and she was worried about me. She presented the exact same argument as you have about rapid decline in infertility after 35. I took the advice very seriously. I read every single dating book in the world, I went out on a LOT of dates in my early 20's always with the view of "is this guy marriage and father material" because i was like, oh shit, I am running out of time! At 26, I thought I had found "the one" and focussed on the relationship and getting him to propose to me, so i put my career on hold for 3 years to get that proposal at nearly 29 years old. When he finally proposed I didn't feel anything at all. I realised a year later after when we still hadn't set a date for the wedding that I didn't want to get married. I am just so sick and tired of the whole concept of marriage being shoved down my throat all of the time. I can count of one hand the long term happily married couples I know.
#5. Milk maternity leave for all it's worth – this just paints women as out to get everything they can for themselves without any consideration of the wider impact on society.
#6. Guard your marriage obsessively – is this is what you are trying to do? Is it actually advice for yourself? How is that going for you by the way – biting the bullet and keeping the farmer happy so your boys don't have to be 'runied' for a second time? What bollocks. Your boys are fine and how about men start stepping up and taking some responsibility for the relationship also?
#7. Practice austerity – I agree with the austerity part, but where is the money going to come from for the plastic surgery?
#8. Do a start up with a guy – this is just a random piece of the 'blueprint' that only applies to a very small percentage of women who have entrepreneurial desires. It is in complete contradiction to all the other advice that centres around finding a husband.
#9. If you cant get men to do a start up with you, do a lifestyle business – comes from the privileged angle again that is making the assumption that all women have access to the finance, support, time and network required to start one of these types of businesses. It's upper middle-class white woman feminism.
#10. Homeschool. Your kids will be screwed if you don't – this bold claim hasn't even been tested by you yet! You are about to embark on uncharted territory. How you can jump to the conclusion that kids will be screwed up without any experience of it? Is just plain bizarre.
#11. Spend money on household help and Botox to keep more doors open longer – oh ok, so much for that austerity then.
#12. Break the mold in your 40's – You think you are 'breaking' the mold by telling us it how it really is, don't you? What a fail. I really don't see the last 11 points of advice helping the trajectory of women's happiness at all. And I doubt very much they would have helped yours and you would have still made mistakes along the way.
Making mistakes is what makes us human.
Overall, my biggest disappointment when reading through this post is that this blueprint does not make for a happy nor an interesting life for women. It seems you just a want to tell us about a difficult life.
Posted by Laura on August 17, 2011 at 2:59 am | permalink |
It would be so interesting to know the age demographics of the comments based on those:
Outraged by this post: (my guess high % would be under 30)
Thought this post was spot on: (my guess high % over 40)
Laura, how old are you?
Posted by betty in munich on August 21, 2011 at 11:56 am | permalink |
If you read through the comments there are a lot of women under 30 saying 'thanks for the advice I really needed to hear that'. So I disagree that women under 30 are outraged. In fact, I would have been more likely to swallow (excuse the pun) this bad advice if I were younger and more impressionable.
I've read enough advice on how to be a woman to last me a life time. More than 10,000 hours worth. And according to Malcolm Gladwell, that would make me an expert.
And so since I am now a self anointed expert here is my advice to other women – stop living your life by other peoples advice and standards!
I learnt the hard way that trying to follow this arbitrary nonsense only leads down a path of disappointment in oneself and in others and a low self regard.
It was only when I started relaxing and living my life for myself that I truly started to feel my emotions and started connecting more authentically in my relationships with others.
And I would much rather hear wisdom from someone who was living a happy life (or interesting life which is how I use to regard PT) and get lessons from that. I'm more likely to take Leo Babauta's advice seriously and try to implement it. His blog is living, breathing proof of his stance on minimalism. He is also living his advice, Penelope on the most part, is not.
I also think its problematic to dispense advice from the position of "if I had done things differently" and "I'm so intellectually smart you should listen to me". It reminds me of the book Marry Him: The Case for Settling for Mr. Good Enough by Lori Gottlieb. Single at 40, Lori decided that marriage was the be all and end all. So she then set out to educate all single women that were still marriageable that they should just marry someone. (Lori need not to worry though, all the dumb women out there will continue to settle for Mr Good Enough without having to read her book)
Anyway, as Daniel Goleman has proven, what we think will make us happy, very rarely does. Lori doesn't know that if she had "settled" that it would have made her happier, she is just taking a guess with the benefit of hindsight.
Penelope has been a massive help to my career over the years due to her no nonsense advice on how to get cut through and results in the workplace. And for that I will be eternally grateful. I just don't think its Penelope's forte to be commenting on how to be a woman navigating through life's challenges at the moment.
Because it seems to me that PT is actually quite unhappy and since living on the farm her life has become quite boring.
And to answer your question, I'm 31.
Posted by Laura on August 24, 2011 at 6:55 am | permalink |
In my experience people who bang on about how smart they are either aren't, of suffer from NPD.
Posted by Helen Gallagher on August 24, 2011 at 6:46 am | permalink |
my own personal answer is NO to all points on the checklist. And strangely enough I am very happy with my life. Either my life is wrong or the checklist is wrong.
Posted by redrock on August 17, 2011 at 6:21 am | permalink |
Yes. Because there are two choices in life: do it "redrock's" way or do it Penelope Trunk's way. I can't believe I didn't notice that before.
Talk about reductionist.
Posted by Harriet May on August 17, 2011 at 9:31 am | permalink |
All,
Relax – this is just a recycled collection of previous bits of "wisdom", structured to generate a flood of hits to this site. P has mastered the art of trolling via controversial posting…
Posted by jim on August 17, 2011 at 6:52 am | permalink |
You missed
13. Don't be fat.
14. Get monthly brazilian waxes.
Without these two, a better title is: How to be a frumpy housewife.
Posted by Jeannette on August 17, 2011 at 6:58 am | permalink |
Wow. You're bold, I'll give you that.
I disagree, fwiw, with 2 and 11, and at least in the legal field, where in many places the majority of the newly minted are now women, I don't think that stuff would be any help at all. Encouraging women to maintain a false image isn't help to them in all sorts of ways.
Well, here's what I would add:
13. Be aware that all "careers" are just jobs, and at the day most of them are lousy and they'll never "fulfill" you. I think women have bought off on the "fulfilling" career Kool-Aide much more than men, but for both, that's a complete fiction. If you know anyone in a "good career" in their 40s, and can really talk to them, most of them will tell you they've long since lost any real interest in the field, and that they keep on keeping on as they no longer have any choice.
14. When choosing a career, don't imagine yourself at age 27 in it, imagine yourself being 47 in it, carrying around 20 lbs of extra weight, and being overburdened in it. If you still like the sounds of it, that might actually be the career for you.
Posted by Yeoman on August 17, 2011 at 7:57 am | permalink |
"If you know anyone in a "good career" in their 40s, and can really talk to them, most of them will tell you they've long since lost any real interest in the field, and that they keep on keeping on as they no longer have any choice."
BINGO. Welcome to Age 40.
Posted by MJ on August 17, 2011 at 10:32 am | permalink |
I may have more to add later, but must run to work and read this quickly. I TOTALLY agree. 100%. And especially due to the wisdom of age, I know what I did wrong where you were right. I don't know about the startup but if you were right about everything else, why not that too?
Posted by Rebecca Gonzalez on August 17, 2011 at 8:11 am | permalink |
Yeoman, why do you think that having a fulfilling career is complete fiction?
Posted by redrock on August 17, 2011 at 8:19 am | permalink |
Right on the money as usual. That's why I love you !
Posted by Anita Junttila on August 17, 2011 at 9:58 am | permalink |
I'm nearly 55 and it seems that in addition to being invisible, I might as well put a gun in my mouth and pull the trigger, because I have NO value in this world whatsoever.
Plus, that poll citing older women's unhappiness. Bullshit. Every woman I know might kevetch about the invisible factor, might mourn their post-menopausal weight gain, and make jokes about their wrinkles, however, they are MUCH happier as people. They have a firm grasp on who they are. They have financial, political, and social savvy. And more importantly, they are past the point where they don't need their marriage to validate them (ahem, how many of your bulletpoints are about being validated by men). Are they married? Yes. Are they happily married? Some are, some aren't. But to a woman they have a resiliency and sense of self-worth outside of their marriage.
I'm truly curious how you are going to deal with aging, because there is such bias in this "blueprint" against aging. It's going to happen, baby, and no amount of portfolios and botox and restalayne or whatever mumbo-jumbo the pharmas come up with is going to change that. I think you need another blueprint. The one for the 50-something who has spent thousands of dollars on plastic surgery and gimmicks to stop herself from aging so that her husband won't leave her, and, wow, the husband leaves her anyway because it seems they have a marriage founded on they look like. No amount of pharma can compete with a 25-year old if the "blueprint" is looks.
Posted by cmj on August 17, 2011 at 10:06 am | permalink |
Penelope,
When you are driving around thinking all these things, do people ask you why you are making 'the angry face'?
My daughter asks me this all the time, and I never know what to say, mostly because it breaks my train of thought.
Cheers,
Polly
Posted by Polly S on August 17, 2011 at 10:57 am | permalink |
"men don't like doing startups with womenâit's bad for them"
Most men instinctively know this. But thanks for saying out the non-PC truth for those young dudes who don't know better.
Fantastic and useful post even for men who are often so clueless about how women's minds work.
Posted by Ritesh on August 17, 2011 at 11:27 am | permalink |
Do you realize that this article scores alarmingly high on the psychopathology test?– Yes, I second this.
Wow, way to wrap up life nicely and tie it in a bow. Really? This is almost a Draconian list for women. I really think this list is damaging for a lot of young women to read– start looking for a husband by age 24?? Um, not everybody WANTS a husband, at age 24 or ever. Some people don't date men period. This list is a great way to have a nervous breakdown and end up on meds and in therapy for most of your adult life. Unless you're a seriously Type A person, then perhaps this would benefit you. Yikes.
Posted by Mona on August 17, 2011 at 11:40 am | permalink |
Uh, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Everyone who has expressed outraged over the advice to look for a husband early seems to be totally overlooking the "if" to that "then" in the statement… IF you wants kids, THEN start looking for a husband early. Are people reading with their eyes closed?? (And if you are not into men, the reverse surely would be to find a woman to date seriously and get established to make it easier for you to adopt if you want kids. That is a long, expensive and sometimes heart-wrenching process– I have two adopted brothers.)
Posted by Harriet May on August 17, 2011 at 12:21 pm | permalink |
My husband worked for a start up that was the brain child of a woman. She got several rounds of venture capital funding and was involved in the growth of the company and original product development. She is now onto her third startup. I admire her a lot and most of the employees working for her company did too.
Posted by Leslie on August 17, 2011 at 11:41 am | permalink |
Related to plastic surgery and Botox … I'm surprised you forgot to mention HRT, hormone replacement therapy … keeps ya HOT!
Posted by Davers6 on August 17, 2011 at 12:27 pm | permalink |
there is no blueprint for any life. not for men and not for women. This blueprint offered here fits the middle ages, and went out of date a while ago. Now, it is valid for some but not for others, valid for those who choose to go down this path. And no, this is not how women's minds work. There is no such thing as a women's mind or a men's mind, the variability between men'e and women's behavior is about as large as the variability within each group.
Posted by redrock on August 17, 2011 at 12:34 pm | permalink |
Brilliant job reframing the criticisms. Not surprising because you often demonstrate serious intelligence which is why you're public schools are bad, private are great, and homeschooling is the best of all options is so surprisingly simplistic. I know public school bashing is in, but news flash, there's an unevenness among public schools. Some are truly outstanding and better than the typical private. You often write about the importance of interpersonal intelligence, yet seemingly want to limit kids opportunities to interact with peers different than them. Doesn't add up.
Posted by Ron on August 17, 2011 at 12:40 pm | permalink |
Or…
1. find a man that is crazy about you and competent at home
2. make sure he knows you are uncompromising about not being the primary homemaker or the primary caregiver of small children
3. stick to your guns
4. enjoy life
Companionship from someone you love who loves you does indeed make everything 10x better. But I don't see how you find that using your list.
Posted by Guest on August 17, 2011 at 12:50 pm | permalink |
Addendum.
I want both husband and kids – so in that sense I fit into the kind of woman you are talking about. But I would sacrifice having both husband and kids if I had to in order to avoid being a primary caregiver for an infant. Which is why I've set up my life in such a way that I have numerous options – a husband who is on board, several other family members and the ability to hire help.
You can have anything you want if you are willing to fight for it. That includes a fair marriage. An interesting life. And a life as a woman who values family but does not center it in her daily life – I know some amazing dads who work and have a hobby – no one, literally no one would ever say they don't value their families , they are wonderful parents – I just want the same kind of life as them.
I realize that you felt driven to stay home with your kids and still are – and society provides enough support to make you think that this is a standard emotion so it's understandable why you think the average woman feels the same way. It is not. Some women share it but many many do not.
The real problem with this post is that it regurgitates really old really repetitive advice that I've been hearing for twenty years and claims to be new and provocative and brave – um, it's identical to Cosmo magazine.
Posted by Guest on August 17, 2011 at 12:58 pm | permalink |
I'm also 45 and there are some days I feel the exact same way and could have written the exact same advice….however, writing is not my "thing"….wish I would have known better, however, I won't be giving these exact words of advice to my 11 yr old daughter, but it will be very similar.
Posted by Colleen on August 17, 2011 at 12:59 pm | permalink |
But not the botox/plastic surgery part…it will be what I did…sunscreen since 16 and no smoking…the one thing I did do right so I still look about 10 years younger than my peers.
Posted by Colleen on August 17, 2011 at 1:02 pm | permalink |
A little more disgusted with life, a little more hopeless after reading this. I can surely agree that my years of studying and homework and 99th percentiles landed me nowhere as a 31 y/o single woman with no decent job prospects. Maybe if I'd forced myself to play sports I could've gained comfort as a bully or a star. Those people seem to excel in the workplace.
I don't see how home-schooling kids will prepare them for a world that doesn't give a f*** about making sure each person gets their individual needs met. How does that teach them to function in a world of a-holes that they've never been forced to cope with before?
Posted by downfromtheledge on August 17, 2011 at 1:01 pm | permalink |
I don't see how home-schooling kids will prepare them for a world that doesn't give a f*** about making sure each person gets their individual needs met.
Since you'd be the one homeschooling them, why don't you teach them that?
Posted by ErikZ on August 19, 2011 at 11:39 am | permalink |
I can't say I agree with the plastic surgery suggestion (why not just take care of yourself via exercise, diet, and dress well, etc to keep up your looks?). But I agree with most everything else, though I can't speak from experience, being 25 myself.
And as usual you just say what you think, Penelope. You've got moxie and I love it.
Posted by Kristi Scott on August 17, 2011 at 3:36 pm | permalink |
Penelope!
What is the median age of your readership? I am guessing it's not 18. I hypothesize that this would have been a more helpful article if your road-map had started at age 25 or 30.
Because right now instead of helping, it's probably just mostly causing anxiety.
Anyway, I like lists and am a man, so I enjoyed it.
Posted by Master of None on August 17, 2011 at 4:34 pm | permalink |
This was interesting. I guess I would sum up your blueprint theme as 'be strategic'. Which is something I've been drilling into the college aged kids in my family. Decide what you want and then create a strategy, don't just drift from class to class.
On the kid front, I would have included something about financial preparations for having a family. Our baby is almost 4 and I'm still reeling from sticker shock. The reality is our society does the bare minimum to support families and money buys you respite to keep you sane in those early years.
Wannabe parents need around $1200-$1500 a month for the first few years to cover childcare, babysitting, food, clothing and medical care.
Your post was very marriage aggressive and I would have opted to focus more on finance. The austerity bit was not even close to being enough.
I like the advice to have a job you can do in your sleep once the kids come. Soooo true. I worked with hazmats as a manager and after not sleeping for three days due to a sick infant, I quit because I was literally afraid I would blow something up.
The 10 weeks I worked after maternity leave? The baby was only well enough for daycare for 5 of those weeks. Insanity.
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Posted by Michelle on August 17, 2011 at 4:35 pm | permalink |
I agree about skipping the entry level jobs. Entry level jobs are ridiculous, soul-sucking wastes of time. The market is so flooded with degree holders, and most companies in corporate America are set up with such stupid, nonsensical, crushing bureaucracy, that there is no way to advance unless you want to adhere to the archaic "pay your dues for ten years" method. I made many of the mistakes you mentioned to avoid in this post and really wish I hadn't. If I had read this 10 years earlier I could have been on a better course.
Posted by CT on August 17, 2011 at 5:48 pm | permalink |
This post deals with the fact that women really haven't come as far as we think we have and it says to work to be happy within the reality instead of the fantasy. Refreshing.
That said, the reality isn't looking so great. So, perhaps, as a society, harmony and happiness shouldn't be our goal. Perhaps real equality should be. Just because we are not where our mothers hoped we would be let's not stop fighting the good fight.
I never tell my daughters the lie that they can be anything they want to be. But I tell them to keep trying and they will be further along than I am.
Posted by Grace on August 17, 2011 at 6:16 pm | permalink |
Having been around the block a few times, I have learned that the blueprint for a rewarding life looks more like this:
1. Discover what makes you really, really happy, fulfilled, loved, accepted, stimulated and content. This can change over time.
2. Do as much of that as possible.
Posted by Cathitude on August 17, 2011 at 7:13 pm | permalink |
ROFL
Posted by ROFLMANIA on November 9, 2011 at 9:37 am | permalink |
Hi Penelope,
from a male perspective, I think your post should read "blueprint for a woman's career", but not life. You post suggests money is the only main thing out there. I don´t think it´s healthy to suggest that.
Posted by Vasco on August 17, 2011 at 7:37 pm | permalink |
2, 4, 7, 8, 9 and 11 seem superfluous if a woman has succeeded in marrying a rich and successful man, as your blueprint seems to suggest is the primary goal.
Since some studies suggest that nice guys finish last or make less than their more ruthless counterparts (http://business.financialpost.com/2011/08/17/can-it-be-that-the-not-so-nice-finish-first/), maybe keeping an oar in the workforce is worthwhile in case said ruthless husband jumps ship for the buxom secretary?
On the other hand, perhaps you'd argue that plastic surgery could be a tool for keeping a marriage together. In that case, perhaps a nice, firm set of DDs would prevent the above scenario, thereby paying dividends.
Posted by Patti Murphy on August 17, 2011 at 8:11 pm | permalink |
Live in TX and still completely disagree w/ #2. Yoga, a good haircut and sunscreen take you further.
But # 1 is interesting and intersects with a discussion I had with a friend recently. Why don't girls who excel in school do well at work?
http://repletelife.blogspot.com/2011/08/why-dont-smart-girls-succeed-in-work.html
Posted by Sue Boggs on August 17, 2011 at 8:52 pm | permalink |
Hi Sue,
Your blog post nails it. In university, I became friends with a lot of girls fresh from privilege and fancy private schools. They were disciplined and got great grades but meh …. we're heading towards 30 and they are seriously floundering in their careers. Not that I'm doing awesome, but at least I can hold down a career-type job instead of flitting around…
AND also in my class was a girl who cried in 1st year (freshman year) when we got our first calculus report back and she got *only* got an 84%. LOL I laughed and hugged her. Having come from a rough childhood, I felt like telling her "honey, in life you will experience worse things than an 84% in calc."
Posted by Mel on August 19, 2011 at 9:38 am | permalink |
Thank you for this piece. I only wish I could tattoo the entire message on my body without it being a disadvantage in the corporate world.
xoxoxo to you.
Posted by prettypinkponies on August 17, 2011 at 9:33 pm | permalink |
Kept me laughing. Thanks!
Posted by Sandra on August 18, 2011 at 12:20 am | permalink |
I am curious: where do you get the information that girls who do well in school do not succeed? A few commenters have also mentioned it, and I simply do not see where it is coming from.
Posted by redrock on August 18, 2011 at 2:53 am | permalink |
Oh if far more women would just flat out communicate the truth the best way you do, ladies throughout would be improved off. No political correctness, just the bottom line fact. Many thanks for carrying out this. I usually get pleasure from reading your web site.
Posted by Game Changer DNA on August 18, 2011 at 3:04 am | permalink |
this post did not sit well with me, but mostly because of the botox and plastic surgery. thumbs down on that advice.
however, with slight tweaks, i did every single other thing on this list and i'm an extremely happy woman in her mid-40s.
tweak: didn't do my homework, but instead of participating in sports, worked during college. gave me a huge advantage.
tweak: didn't go to b school right out of the gate, but started my first company right out of the gate, immediately after graduating from college.
got married at 22. had no maternity leave. guarded my marriage obsessively. practiced austerity.
tweak: when i did my start-up, the "guy" i did it with was my husband, who could work to support us and then do stuff for me for free. highly, highly recommend this approach. nerdy guys are having a moment right now – find a cute one who can program stuff for you. you get to keep control of the company, too.
homeschooled.
confused re: keeping doors open. if you do everything else right, you don't need anyone else to open a door for you.
"break the mold in your 40s". nothing that follows this heading has anything to do with breaking the mold. how are you recommending women break the mold if they're kowtowing to social/male/sexual pressure to look fake-younger?
if you do everything else right – get married, stay married, have children, do great work, save money – then you really can break the mold in your 40s. you're still young, you have time to exercise and eat right, you have money in the bank, you have a secure relationship, and your kids are self-learning geniuses. now you can do whatever the hell you want to do. start a business, travel, retire early, learn new things, write a book – sky's the limit.
maybe you can mentor some young women and encourage them not to inject poison into themselves to try to please someone else's idea of what looks good and instead get smart and take control of their lives early.
Posted by Lori on August 18, 2011 at 7:54 am | permalink |
Penelope, I have a lot of respect for your willingness to open yourself up to criticism and do the controversial thing, But is this honest?
It seems like pre-packaged crap dredged up to make people mad. I'm all for rabel-rousing, but Jesus let's talk about something real. Let's talk about the why's. Strong and intelligent women need ways to circumvent this crap, not buy into it.
I'm a young woman in my early twenties who reads your blog regularly, and I could use some real advice.
Posted by Iz on August 18, 2011 at 10:10 am | permalink |
Here's some advice, in no particular order:
1) Be kind to yourself. Even when you are down on yourself, figure out ways to be kind to yourself. This is the most important piece of advice.
2) Accept yourself and your own limitations. Learn to work within those limitations, rather than wasting time fighting against them.
3) Be exceedingly careful about who you choose to marry. This is the single most important decision you will make in your life – it has the ability to make your life alot easier or to cause it major damage (and damage kids as wel). So date jerks, sleep with jerks (reliable birth control) – but watch out who you marry. If you've made a bad choice and it's not getting better despite your best efforts, leave. Yes, you and others will pay a price, but no-one deserves a life of suffering. Hopefully you won't need this.
4) When are depressed or anxious, be aware that this is a part of life for many people (especially women – men get angry, women get depressed). Accept it and refer back to rule number one.
5) Have faith that you will always have a roof over your head and enough food to eat that you won't starve. Overcoming this fear allows you to weather alot of the ups and downs that life serves you.
6) Take a moment to experience the moment. It's all that life guarantees you.
7) Appreciate relationships more than things. Your bestie may likely still be in your life twenty years from now (if you put effort into the relationship) – that car, or that flat likely won't be.
9) Let go of trying to control other people, or trying to change them. Instead, figure out solutions that are about things that you can do (like avoiding people or situations that you don't like – learn to say 'no', 'no thank you', 'sorry but I decline', 'that is not okay with me', 'I'm going to have to leave if you do that', etc).
10) Give yourself a hug. Then give someone else a hug. Look out for ways to help other people (even a kind word to a stranger) – it makes your life alot more pleasant, and theirs as well.
11) If you have kids – enjoy them, they can be lots of fun. Don't try to overly control them, just set your limits ('in my house, this is what is okay') and be a good example. Talk to them alot.
All the best!
Posted by Miriam on August 18, 2011 at 2:29 pm | permalink |
12) And as much as possible, make fun a regular part of your life. This will be a gift not only to you, but to those around you.
13) Have dreams – don't depend on them to come true (they may and they may not) – but have them anyway, and take small or large steps towards them in your life (example, if you love art, you may not wind up to be Rembrandt, but you can and should take that painting class.. and do so now, not when you are 85…)
Posted by Miriam on August 18, 2011 at 2:34 pm | permalink |
Do something you love, marry your best friend, value your friends.
Posted by Helen Gallagher on August 24, 2011 at 6:51 am | permalink |
Interesting read. But overall, I would say that the advice is bad. Perhaps this is how YOU would have lived your life….if YOU had to do it all over again…but it these bullet points are hardly applicable to the majority of women.
But I do agree that feminism and the institution of marriage have a distorted view in most people's minds today. Marriage is about building a home…a life. It's not some sort of social prize that you obtain once you reach a certain age. Trivilizing marriage makes it expendable…and destroys the home you were suppossed to build for your children (if you had them). I was raised by two surrogates, my maternal Grandparents, so thankfully, I have no concept of growing up in a broken home. But it can't be good.
I myself am 32, and while I had the hope of getting married in my 20s, I wasn't taking dating and man-searching seriously. Now that I am, I discovered that it's not too hard…once you open yourself up to the possibility and learning how to compromise.
Posted by Rishona Campbell on August 18, 2011 at 11:23 am | permalink |
The solution is super clear for those who don't want this blueprint:
1. Do not have kids.
2. Do not believe that marriage = happiness. Come'on people.
3. Move out of the mediocre North American life. In fact, stay away from most of the Anglo world.
This post is not intended to be sarcastic. You really can avoid tons of crap with the 3 steps above. Peace.
Posted by Likeyouknow on August 18, 2011 at 11:41 am | permalink |
I love this post, like all others. I have bookmarked the site/link and keep coming back to catch up with new posts.
I am happy without an bachelor's degreee or MBA for now. This blog is informative and heartwarming.
I have no doubt it resonates with quiet a huge community of your readers.
Posted by Mutimba Mazwi on August 18, 2011 at 12:00 pm | permalink |
The advice is a mixture of good and bad. The good advice is what women should do if they want to be mothers. The bad advice is everything else. You can't do everything on that list. It is impossible. Pick one or the other. If you want the career track, go for it, but if you want kids, the only thing you should do by 24 is get your degree, find a husband, and start having them by 26 thru 28. The MBA and startup advice is useless. They will delay the time you might have kids and they will definitely put you in BIG TIME student load debt. In this economy, you cannot acquire more burdens with the expectation that you will ever pay back your investments. A guy won't want to marry you with such contradictory goals.
Posted by Anon-Guy on August 18, 2011 at 1:31 pm | permalink |
Congrats for doing your bit to nudge up the deplorably low fertility rate of high-ability women, thus retarding (even if only by a teensy bit) this country's insidious slide into idiocracy.
Posted by wumhenry on August 18, 2011 at 1:59 pm | permalink |
You should never be the hardest worker–ever? Really? Are you talking about pacing yourself? Or are you talking about NOT being an over-achiever?
I understand about staying in your marriage despite the fact that it may not meet your original expectations . . . I'm not talking about staying in an abusive marriage . . . That is different.
Your remarks about austerity link to your remarks about staying in your marriage, to my mind. You are saying that we should be willing/learn to face some austerity, and take some austerity measures.
In general, I see your recommendations as a blueprint for playing the game. Some responses are saying that it is disingenuous to play the game; but realistically, we all have to play the game in whatever situation we find ourselves in. Part is compromise. Part is just being savvy and biding one's time.
You set yourself up for your shot . . . like in volleyball.
You guard and pass, like in basketball. You put on some protective gear, as in Tae Kwon Do.
Posted by chris Keller on August 18, 2011 at 2:23 pm | permalink |
This might be one of the shallowest articles I've ever read.
Posted by ahem on August 18, 2011 at 2:36 pm | permalink |
"5. Milk maternity leave for all it's worth."
…which is why male executives, if asked in confidence, will NEVER hire a 28-year-old woman, no matter how qualified, over a 28-year-old man.
I'm no longer running in the corporate hamster-wheel, so I can be honest about this, but men resent, bitterly, how women can take advantage of the system without suffering any professional ill-effects — while it's the MEN who have to pick up the slack while their female coworkers are exercising their birth canals (at full pay), and then expect to come back to work as though nothing has happened.
This is also why there's a salary gap between men and women. If we're looking at this like a business (and Penelope, you are entitled to do so), just understand that from a corporate perspective, it's not only wrong to hire someone who's going to disappear for a couple of years at full salary, it's contrary to the shareholders' interests. In fact, in my executive years, I would have fired the person making that hiring decision, because they had just proved that they were not acting in the best interests of the corporation. You want to take pregnancy leave? Start your own company with your freshly-minted MBA, then take off all the time you want.
Here's my take: you CAN'T have it all, baby. The cost to industry of these stupid enforced pregnancy leave laws has been incalculable, and productivity has taken a punch to the stomach — all so that Mommy can fulfill her maternal instinct at someone else's expense.
Now, on to a more pleasant topic: you're absolutely right about homeschooling, Penelope. We homeschooled our kids, and they are at least four years ahead of their contemporaries in terms of learning, smarts and maturity. Their biggest complaint in freshman- and sophomore years was boredom, and impatience with the pace of instruction. My son had to "repeat" college algebra (I'd let him learn math at his own pace, so he reached the equivalent of two semesters of college algebra by age 17), and he was ready to scream, he was so bored.
Best of all was that our kids (since graduated, btw) knew how to learn, and how to listen, and how to obey what the professors told them to do. 3.8 GPAs and merit scholarships soon followed.
Homeschooling is not only the better way; it's the ONLY way for kids to become educated. Just do it on your own dime, not someone else's.
Posted by Kim du Toit on August 18, 2011 at 3:01 pm | permalink |
@ Kim:
Your contradictory advice about maternity leave seems short-sighted. Into the future, society will need people who were raised attentively and nurtured well. You want those people, who have had a sound foundation, as workers in your corporation. So, set it up: give the longer maternity leaves with a generous spirit, knowing that you are setting up for a better future.
I'm guessing that the kids who went into attack mode in Great Britain, burning London and its surrounds, and in Milwaukee's State Fair Park did not have the sound foundation, the early nurturing . . . I know the acting out is/was multi-factorial, but I think how you were raised from infancy is one of those factors.
Posted by chris Keller on August 18, 2011 at 8:19 pm | permalink |
Kim, you are a clear example of the perils of home schooling.
Posted by Helen Gallagher on August 24, 2011 at 6:52 am | permalink |
Someone should have given me this list when I was 18.
Posted by belle de ville on August 18, 2011 at 3:04 pm | permalink |
Penelope, how can you advise people to take advice from you when you have not taken it yourself? You said that doing other things didn't work out for you so you're providing alternatives. But, maybe if had the opportunity to take the advice you are giving it would not have worked out for you either.
Posted by Ilana Rabinowitz on August 18, 2011 at 3:44 pm | permalink |
I would kill myself it this was my blueprint.
If I wanted one, it would go like this: 1. always think of yourself as "awesome". 2. Figure out what is it you are on this planet to give. 3. Get so obsessed with it to the point where you don't give a s…t whether you're ugly or beautiful, married or single, rich or poor, young or old. And watch your kids look up to you and your husband or whatever you have for a partner (if you have one at all) adore you.
And yes, home-school your kids.
Posted by Erika on August 18, 2011 at 3:56 pm | permalink |
So I have to wonder how you pride yourself on being a member of the female race when you basically bash woman in this article. I have an MBA and I can speak for thousands of other successful business woman when I tell you a Masters degree is nothing but helpful! Clearly you are not highly educated, or religious for that matter. What gives you the right to basically tell woman to spend money on botox and plastic surgery to make themselves more successful and in essence, likeable?! I have nothing to say to you other than you truly disgust me. The need to change yourself and the mindset that you will be better in life is so absurd and your ugliness and unsuccessful life is not attributed to everyone else nor make you an expert in the field of human descencey or morals. And "biting the bullet to save a marriage" ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!!! What makes woman have to save it? If both the man and woman are not happy, yes it will affect the children but it will affect them even more if they stay together for pure shits and giggles. You are incredibly repulsive to read and anyone following these "guidelines" and liking this article is just as messed in the head. Whatever happened to you as a child to make you so synical? You dont deserve to be a woman!
Posted by Courtney on August 18, 2011 at 4:07 pm | permalink |
I am 38 + married + mother + biz owner, and I don't get this point of view at all. I will never get plastic surgery, because plastic surgery is gross. I feel kind of sorry for those who have obviously given in and gone under the cosmetic knife. Why would you inject poison into your body? I don't care if later on I seem "invisible" in the eyes of marketers, men looking for a fling, etc.–I don't require being the center of attention all the time. I will continue doing what I love professionally, maintaining my relationships with the people who matter to me, eating right and exercising regularly. And hopefully I will not succumb to the typical aging-related anxiety that a lot of women experience.
Posted by JF on August 18, 2011 at 5:32 pm | permalink |
Let us know how it's going in 20 years. Honestly, as you are only 38, it is really too early for you to say.
Posted by betty in munich on August 22, 2011 at 6:05 am | permalink |
Betty you do have a point about me not being old enough to really know yet. But for now I am determined to stick to my principles, which includes not reading any trash magazines, avoiding reality TV shows, not putting toxic things into my body (when it's in my control), avoiding comparing myself to other people (especially physical appearance) and doing what I can to lead a healthy lifestyle. Also keeping things in perspective (how many of us have friends who are struggling with cancer, for example?) I believe these things will make a difference as I grow older.
Posted by JF on August 22, 2011 at 10:31 am | permalink |
Hilarious! You are too much, Penelope! I did everything the opposite of your advice and I have none of the problems or issues you suggest! I'm making way more than my husband and he stayed home with the babies while he was grad school and my career took off and now we're both happily employed, own a house, 2 great kids, etc.
Again: I did the *opposite* of everything you suggest!!
Posted by Patty on August 18, 2011 at 7:07 pm | permalink |
Oh dear. If you all want to beat yourselves in the process of fitting into someone's 'blueprint', then by all means go ahead.
My condolences to anyone who is made to feel as if they are inadequate or less of a person because they did not marry or have children, due to pressure from other women or their communities at large.
I read the other day that 52% of all adults are married, in contrast to 72% in the 1960's. http://awesome.good.is/transparency/web/1101/marriage/flash.html. Look at the study and judge for yourselves.
Ask yourselves if 48% of the adult population is unhappy or suffer moral failure because they are single or divorced.
Get married if you want. Get married early if you want. But please STOP trying to convince other people to feel that they are doomed if they don't.
As for the blanket statements on plastic surgery and homeschooling…WTH.
Posted by Concerned citizen on August 18, 2011 at 7:18 pm | permalink |
Great advice Penny.
All of it, especially the homeschooling of kids part, applies even moreso to minorities. If my kids were not homeschooled… http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/african_american_homeschooling/111986
"Although black children have statistically lagged far behind their peers of other races in various school settings; be it public, private, or charter schools, statistics show that they fare on par with their white counterparts when home schooled."
The other information is great too, but it all suggests one thing, male or female put your family first.
Posted by Dale on August 18, 2011 at 7:56 pm | permalink |
@ Dale: Correlation does not indicate causation. It's not "because they are home-schooled", but other variables that cause those results.
Posted by Passing by on August 19, 2011 at 10:20 am | permalink |
Passing by,
While "Correlation does not indicate causation" if those variables that matter are all related to home schooling then…
More attention in the classroom, a curriculum more tailored to your strengths and weaknesses, more parental attention, less negative external influencers,etc.
I speak from the standpoint of having experienced excellent results, not hypothesis…
Posted by Dale on August 19, 2011 at 11:38 am | permalink |
@ Dale – that's not the point. The type of African American parents that DECIDE to home-schooled is the key variable.
I bet the parents that home-school are more educated, and may have a higher income than the median African American family.
And of course, this is assuming that both parents share the same ethnic group. In my case: husband is "white", children look "white", so I don't know what that study would classify my family.
Posted by Passing by on August 19, 2011 at 11:57 am | permalink |
Passing by,
Intuitively your argument makes sense, unfortunately they aren't borne out in real life. At the home schooling group which I participate in, there is a large proportion of black kids from homes that are lower middle income and below. My household income is considered below the poverty level by the US government, and while I do have a masters level edu. most of my friends do not even have first degrees.
My eldest daughter (who's never been to out-school) is going to college on academic scholarships and loans as I can't help her.
The only correlation among us is that we know that the public school system in our area is inferior to what a caring parent can provide. Also with the option of E-schools with curricular provided by K12, I just help my kids understand the material, I do not create or source it.
Our friends are not particularly religious, we live in the midwest, and half of us are foreign born.
It shouldn't work, but it does.
Posted by Dale on August 19, 2011 at 12:23 pm | permalink |
@ Dale – good points and congratulations. But when you said "Caring Parents"-you hit it right there.When I said "educated", I didn't mean academically. Parents that prioritize education isthe common link; not the home-schooling. Your daughter would have achieve these results in public or private school, but mainly, because of the network you mentioned, and more than anything, because her parents CARED.
Your examples are more for upward mobile families; and in that case, ethnic group doesn't have much to do.
Now are there any examples from families in the inner city, with mainly one parent/grandparent households who work 12 hours a day (good luck in "helping understand" the materiak), living with food stamps, rounding meals with the school lunch; and surrounded by loud music and drug dealers?
The challenge is to have successful cases of homeschooled children. And that, I doubt it.
BTW0 – I'm also foreign-born, and my grandmother was tutored (typical in the old country), so my problem is not with the home-schooling methodology, but the conclusion of the study you mentioned.
Posted by Passing by on August 19, 2011 at 12:59 pm | permalink |
@ Passing by
I wish it were so simple. Most parents care, unfortunately, it often comes down to what we expose our kids to or what comes at them from outside. Some of the parents in my group are single, most are not. Some are grandparents raising the kids of their own children who fell through the cracks. Hindsight is a bear, but really helps when raising your second batch of kids…
Money helps alot, but lifestyle control helps most.
I find that the single most important factor connecting my group is the sense that we must guard the hearts and minds of our children actively. Children need to be protected and raised, not left to forage physically or psychologically.
Kids love parents no matter what, but they appreciate parents who, rich or poor, set standards and maintain them. Perhaps that's what connects homeschoolers who do not do it strictly for religious reasons.
Few of the homeschoolers I know are what you'd consider upwardly mobile, but that may just be the circles I operate within.
Posted by Dale on August 19, 2011 at 1:19 pm | permalink |
@ Dale – thanks for a civilized debate. See – caring parents is what makes the difference; homeschooling is just a reflection of that.
Homeschooling may be a solution for some specific families in some specific environments; that's all.
Again, thanks for your answers. It's so refreshing having a productive debate online without emotional outbursts.
Have a great weekend
Posted by Passing by on August 19, 2011 at 2:01 pm | permalink |
@ Passing by – I appreciated the civil discourse too.
Posted by Dale on August 19, 2011 at 2:08 pm | permalink |
The plastic surgery comment irks me as a woman of colour and i'll let you think about that for a moment. I hear you worrying that the life you've built and it's architectural imprint on your face is betraying more insecurities than you care to admit. But i wouldn't trade those impenetrable, complicated lines so quickly and for so little ROI. You know, i think they're a kind of camoflage.
Anyway, this is a blueprint for creating a lifestyle that is sustainable over time. And isn't that the singular value of mediocrity? There's nothing wrong with that, but don't go telling all of our secrets now.
Posted by from toronto on August 18, 2011 at 10:12 pm | permalink |
Wouldn't this "Blueprint" carry more weight and credibility if the writer had successfully run a business, was financially secure, had a happy marriage to a wealthy man and was actively home schooling her own children? Just asking. Lol.
Posted by sandy on August 18, 2011 at 10:22 pm | permalink |
@ Sandy:
No. It is reversals and mistakes that give credibility. The lessons learned from mistakes are head-and-shoulders above in value, compared to the credibility of successes, IMO.
Posted by chris Keller on August 18, 2011 at 10:29 pm | permalink |
@Chris I don't know Chris. If I were to follow a "Blueprint for Women" I think I'd like it to be written by someone who had successfully followed all of the steps and was happy. Even if they had experienced failure (which most of us have) I would like to see proof of the BluePrint points in their own lives.
Posted by sandy on August 18, 2011 at 11:28 pm | permalink |
Penelope, I love this, love your blog, love how riled up people get by your blunt perspectives. I think half the reason they do get riled up is that the truth hurts sometimes, reality is what it is. And for god sakes people stop taking this for more than what it is! Lighten up!
Posted by Liane on August 18, 2011 at 10:30 pm | permalink |
I've read this blog for years now and never posted. On one hand, I see what Penelope is trying to do here and how her points reflect back on her own previous experiences and realizations. And for that, it's helpful.
But I take issue with the fact that somehow women are magically able to 'snag' husbands by age 30. From the get-go, I have wanted to get married, wanted to have kids, and do it at a younger age. I'd like to think I'm fairly attractive, have a grad degree and an excellent-yet-flexible career that allows me to meet tons of people. I've had long term relationships throughout my 20s and into my 30s, but none have produced a marriage proposal or a husband. I'm 35, I know my 'clock is ticking'…and I just don't get what one is supposed to do if you haven't found the baby daddy yet.
In some previous post, P's response to women is that we just need to get to the gym and a husband will magically appear. But what if it doesn't work that way for you, even with the best of plans and intentions?
The blueprint, while helpful, just simply isn't as easy or feasible as it looks, sorry.
Posted by Christi on August 18, 2011 at 11:00 pm | permalink |
Sophie Tucker said:
From birth to age 18, a girl needs good parents
From 18 to 35 she needs good looks
From 35 to 55 she needs a good personality
And from 55 on she needs cash.
I still remember the first time the cashier looked at me completely differently — with a look that said "OLD person, ick!" — and it took me a while, later on, to figure out what that look was.
Posted by pfj on August 18, 2011 at 11:34 pm | permalink |
I'm 55. You described my life to a T, except instead of MBA got MD at 23,
so all done with training and buffing CV by 28.
Sounds rather cold to read it in print— and not a second of it was pre-planned—
but boy, did it work for me, my children, and (I hope!) their father, who is still my spouse.
Can't imagine being happier.
(Well, a grandchild or two soon would be great…)
Posted by Lee on August 19, 2011 at 5:40 am | permalink |
Wow! First time in your blog and it really rocks! Luv the post and even thou lot of it is hard (and true), I like how you managed to make it funny…
Posted by El Secreto on August 19, 2011 at 6:00 am | permalink |
Very well done! But i feel there are more than 12 advice you could write.Please, write a follow up blueprint
Posted by maria on August 19, 2011 at 6:48 am | permalink |
I really hope you're wrong about this, and I think a lot of it doesn't make sense.
1. I don't want plastic surgery. I'm no beauty, but neither are most people. I'm a math/programming girl, not a PR girl, so it shouldn't matter much. And surgery is dangerous — why go under the knife if I'm healthy?
2. I don't want an MBA, in anything close to the near future. I might consider it *after* I've founded a business, but I'm sure as hell not going into debt for it before I'm established. Do I want to throw money away, or make it?
3. It's meaningless to say "do a start-up with a guy" because most people doing start-ups are guys to begin with. The natural choice for a partner will almost always be male.
5. Fuck spending my time looking for a husband or being busy having kids. Seriously. I do not want to be a household drudge. EVER. If I can manage to do what I'm hoping (I'm the primary earner, my husband's the primary caregiver; I already have a serious boyfriend/unofficial fiance who wants to do this) then I can be the family breadwinner and all's good. If I have to be a scullery maid I WILL NOT HAVE KIDS. If having boobs means being cursed with a life of stress and servitude, then life's not worth living.
Posted by Sarah on August 19, 2011 at 10:24 am | permalink |
At the risk of sounding stereotypical, every home-school kid I have run across is socially inept. Perhaps the push for "social media" – which is really anti-social since it requires no real in-person social skills, just creativity and tech-savvy – will render being socially adept a non-factor anyway.
Posted by Jon on August 19, 2011 at 12:49 pm | permalink |
stereotypical
Posted by Lori on August 20, 2011 at 10:01 am | permalink |
Thanks for your thoughtful input. To build more on my opinion of this post, I find everything else to seem like sound advice, even though I am not a woman. However, being so adamant on home-schooling, I find ironic since there are several points addressing making sure you find a husband and keep the marriage together. Surely, the decision of how to educate your children should fall on the shoulders of both the father and mother. I find it a bit brazen to recommend how to do that in a post directed solely at women. Plus, another point, and I am saying this fairly ignorantly since all I know about Asperger's is a lot of what has been posted here, but I will say it anyway. Perhaps the insistence of home-schooling, which does take children out of a primary social environment where they would interact with their peers on an extensive and regular basis – and Penelope's heavy insistence on social media and her hype of its importance – is tied to Asperger's? Admittedly, Penelop has said she doesn't socialize like a non-Asperger's person, mainly that she doesn't know how to do so in person or in a professional, formal setting – at least not like people without Asperger's. Seems like then it'd be easier to be a proponent of an education environment that removes a structured face-to-face social setting, which is also akin to championing social media. That's all well and good, and that isn't to say it doesn't work, particularly for Penelope, but it's pretty short-sighted to insist that all people follow this direction when the majority of people aren't similar to Penelope in that respect.
Posted by Jon on August 22, 2011 at 10:09 am | permalink |
Penny,
Which homeschooling platform are you using?
Posted by Dale on August 19, 2011 at 2:10 pm | permalink |
Is this post a re-run? It's the same was the less-successful one for a couple of weeks ago:
http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2011/08/07/figuring-out-where-you-fit
Posted by Jana on August 19, 2011 at 2:11 pm | permalink |
If Satan wrote a piece, this would be it, but it's exactly right. Anyone who reads it & practices everything it because she read it would make us sad, but we know a few blondies who never read it but do practice it.
In the new economy, you can't help but think a heroine who marries the richest man she can find & depends on men for survival instead of trying to hack it is smarter than the rest.
Posted by Heroine Worshiper on August 19, 2011 at 4:21 pm | permalink |
Yeah, prostitution's super smart.
Posted by Helen Gallagher on August 24, 2011 at 6:54 am | permalink |
I read a book about marriage in Congo, written by a missionary who was upset by what he saw. Women were sold to the highest bidder. The more money a man has, the more women he can own. The women in question didn't have a say in it; it was a deal between the families. Of course good women aren't cheap, they cost a lot of cows to buy. The same thing happens in Nigeria, by the way. Women marry young, let's say at age nine, to rich men, i.e. five times their age.
There are, of course a few differences with the advice above, which mainly boil down to: in the advice, woman are free, in all senses of the word; they are told to do the same thing anyway.
Posted by RP on August 19, 2011 at 6:07 pm | permalink |
Dude, this really sucks. I really liked your writing and I thought you had it 'figured out'. But you don't. All you care is about how men value you. The only blueprint this is for is "How To Be Completely Miserable By 45'.
I'm done man, can't read this blog anymore since it would be offensive to any and all women who have ever stood up for equality.
Posted by Marney on August 19, 2011 at 10:50 pm | permalink |
Oh yes, there are some hot tips here. Esp. austerity and starting a lifestyle business.
Homeschooling might be great for kids but not this mum:) Luckily public schools are fine in Australia and I don't think they'll interfere with my kids' futures. If you can handle homeschooling go for it but it's just won't work for most women.
The worst tip is plastic surgery. No way. Maybe Melissa can do some research into the risks of surgery for us?!
And Penelope, the best news is I am amazed you are 45. All that botox etc is obviously worth it:)Is it really true?!
Posted by Annabel Candy, Get In the Hot Spot on August 20, 2011 at 5:36 am | permalink |
I enjoyed this piece as a mix of friendly practical advice, tongue and cheek fun, and dire parental warning all rolled into one. Thanks! W.C.C.
Posted by W.C. Camp on August 20, 2011 at 8:53 am | permalink |
That blueprint all seems a bit disingenuous rather than sincere or practical advice. Like a rant from a place of bitterness. Maybe she is not being ignored because she's getting older, but rather, because people are less likely to take her advice seriously.
Posted by Yawn on August 20, 2011 at 8:18 pm | permalink |
This is exactly right, Penelope. Going against fertility destroys the most creative aspect of womanhood. Funny how women have been sold the idea that being drugged with a steroid like the pill that affects every aspect of emotions and behavior is normal. Kind of like putting boys on ritalin and sticking them in the corner.
Posted by alicia saribalis on August 20, 2011 at 9:18 pm | permalink |
You use the same formula as Fox news. Overly sensational, cloaked as "truth", and playing on our fears to get us to read your blog. Yuk. I feel dirty.
Posted by Olivia on August 21, 2011 at 12:30 am | permalink |
hee hee love you P = loved this post … I turn 45 in Jan 2012 and I am having a gap year – time off full time work to refind my relationship with the boys, find my waist and find my sex life – love to you le xox
Posted by le@thirdontheright on August 21, 2011 at 3:27 am | permalink |
Gawd Lady…what do you write? Do you follow the advise you give?
Cause you sit smugly in your lil farm and preach…how easy!
I did everything according to your timeline… had kids before 35 etc etc… but life does throw you curveballs. Guess I ve dodged some and got struck out a few times too.
Anyhow…interesting as usual.
Posted by Sara on August 21, 2011 at 8:31 am | permalink |
Some kids who are home schooled do seem to have socialization problems. I think it works better when multiple children in the family being home schooled. Or if the parent involve the children in other programs where they can be with other kids and learn how to socialize.
But Penelope's son has Asperger's which is a different situation. It is a struggle to get the services that a special needs kid requires. I was reading another blog where the Mom was going to send her Aspie son to middle school. Instead they found an alternative school that had a mix of regular children and Aspie children. He seems to love it there. But in Wisconsin there may not be options like that sohome schooling is probably a good idea.
Posted by sandy on August 21, 2011 at 10:15 am | permalink |
I think it's great that young women today have so much more advice to choose from. The emotional pressure of being single in your late twenties when you know you want a family is pretty intense. But I did really enjoy the activities that I pursued in my twenties, that I am not physically able to do now in my 50's.
The advice on divorce, it should actually be to choose your husband very carefully so you won't be looking for a divorce a few years down the road. Which means you may have to marry and have kids later. There are a lot of options.
Posted by Joan E on August 21, 2011 at 11:46 am | permalink |
Wow Penelope. I wish someone had handed me this advice when I was 18. My own mother had no advice so I listened to the feminists whose advice was terrible.
The only exception one might make is for the first point. If a gal wants to get into medical school, for instance, she might need to focus the hardest on her grades. However, for the corporate world, point one is spot on.
I am even printing this out so that I have talking points for my daughter, who is now 2 and a half (I am 44). Thanks for your honesty. We have to keep hearing it!
Posted by Angela on August 21, 2011 at 12:15 pm | permalink |
1) Doing less homework, seems pretty dubious. The suggestion that this allows you to devote more time to the more productive goals "collaborative and competitive" activities like video games (which men do more of) is fundamentally flawed. Women are notorious for engaging in collaboration even more than men. As to competitiveness- isn't working hard to do as well as you can in the academic field competition? Suggesting that women should do the things men do, because men tend to do very well for themselves, misses the far more plausible explanation that men do better due to a host of social factors, rather than due to their computer gaming giving them a competitive edge. Similarly with the 'become an athlete' advice- I followed the link to your article on the topic and the thesis was that athletes do better because they're competitive. But this in no way implies that taking up a sport will make you more competitive and thus make you more successful. This is like saying that renowned poets are highly successful because they're highly dedicated and creative, so start writing poetry. In fact, the comparison between male and female academic female achievement is itself a very fraught theoretical issue. I can't speak for the US stats, but in the UK girls outachieve boys throughout (the stereotypical explanation is the greater assiduousness of girls, because only when boys outperformed girls was differential ability an accepted explanation) until degree level, where girls get more middling grades, do somewhat better on average, but the men take the highest grades. Of course the men still dominate in the workforce, but I doubt this is explained by the skills picked up on the X-box.
2) 'Plastic surgery is the must-have career tool of the new milennium.' I don't dispute the harsh reality that plastic surgery may pay big dividends for some people. This still leaves open huge questions as to whether it is right to get it or to encourage it. A less contentious objection is simply that it's ludicrous and dangerous to say that it's "the must-have career tool for the workforce of the new milennium" as though every-one must have it. For a good number of people, the dividends of plastic surgery will be negligible and stating that it is a 'must-have' for every-one is highly objectionable.
I'm sorely tempted to fisk the entire article in detail, outlining all these fallacies of reasoning, and false assumptions, because I feel that strongly that it is simply irresponsible to present unsupported advice in a misleadingly authoritative tone to people.
Posted by David Moss on August 21, 2011 at 12:49 pm | permalink |
@Betty in Munich: Re: plastic surgery or Botox and preserving one's appearance:
Taking a long view, it now seems bizarre that in Victorian times, a suntanned woman was thought of as a peasant, not a lady. And in European countries in the Renaissance and post-Renaissance, a portly woman symbolized a wealthy husband/family, a status thing. At this time, ageless and stick-thin is in.
Really, it is best to look strong and self-confident. Those are the true job qualifiers, I think. Making eye contact, behaving assertively, projecting one's voice . . . and having a good track record and showing analytical and critical thinking skills when presented with "How would you handle (fill in some difficult situation)" in a job interview.
How you look, besides looking serene and above-it-all and having a peaceful half-smile, is not really to the point. It is how hard you work, and what kind of people skills you have.
Posted by chris Keller on August 21, 2011 at 7:05 pm | permalink |
It would be interesting to know Chris if you are a man or woman and your age. I guess I find that the people critizing plastic surgery/botox, I think are still too young to really say. I am a woman over 45 and 10 years ago I would have never even considered it…but now…I guess I get it and don't critize those that go down that road. The unfortunate part for me, is I have such a low pain tolerance that I never had my ears pierced and visits to the dentist are torture, so the thought of needles or going under well I can't do it…yet. But I don't rule it out.
The best way to be strong and confident is if you look and feel good. That means staying in shape and taking care of your self starting in your 20's. And then not letting yourself go. This will keep you healthy and strong so you can enjoy your later years too. You might be one of the lucky ones with great genes and may never have to go the route of surgery or botox. But if a woman or man at 50 decides to visit a dermatologist for a bit of help, why are people in such an outcry? Just like anything else this should be done in moderation and not used as a substitute for good health care and a strong self worth. I guess that is how I take P's advice.
And no matter what you say, the reality is that given 2 persons with all the same skill sets, the more attractive, well groomed one has the better chance to get hired.
BTW, just a little anecdote – my mom (my heroine) is a healthy, active, sweet looking 90 years old. She just returned from a 2-week vacation in South America with my brother and his family. She had an eye lift at 87 because her upper lids were so droopy she couldn't see properly. The uppers were covered by health insurance – the lowers not, so she didn't have the lowers done. She tells me she regrets that now. : )
Posted by betty in munich on August 22, 2011 at 6:59 am | permalink |
@Betty from Munich: I am female, of retirement age. I am a product of hippie times, and as such, I have never even worn make-up. You couldn't convince me about plastic surgery/botox no matter what.
However, I don't have a problem with anyone who wants that for themselves. Different strokes for different folks.
Posted by chris Keller on August 22, 2011 at 12:21 pm | permalink |
@ Betty from Munich – Re Plastic surgery I like your analysis, but I'm 35 and live in Miami, Florida.
Here people looks at plastic surgery as part of basic maintenance.
Example: My sister got her first boob job at 17; my best friend got a nose job at 21; and I started botox at 31.
Maybe the geographical location is a stronger factor? Rural Vs Urban; instead of age? Just a thought.
Posted by Lily on August 22, 2011 at 2:50 pm | permalink |
Maybe this post should have been called the "Path of Least Resistance for Women" – yes it is a blueprint, but it's kind of a recipe for disaster, at least marriage wise. And I believe there is a lot advice missing from the Obsessively Protect Your Marriage part.
From the male perspective…we're not stupid and if you walk into a marriage with this mentality, we're pretty much going to feel like you are taking advantage of us for a paycheck and sperm. I see problems arising here especially if life becomes stressful for a man from a money, job, or intimacy standpoint.
On a different note, I would venture to say that many women have their hands full with children and homeschooling to do any kind of side business. Congratulations to those few superhuman women who can accomplish this, but my perspective thus far (almost 40) is that most women care more about their social lives and status than they do about income. It's not a bad thing, however sometimes it becomes a distraction that can damage a marriage. I blame many of the fathers out there for not raising their daughters to be self sufficient and secure in their decisions…that is how women will excel, when the fathers start teaching their daughters like they teach their sons. It happens, but not very often.
The advice on plastic surgery kind of a double edged sword. It can continue the social imprinting that you are not beautiful and it leaves you perpetually insecure about your looks, which is not good for women in general. Now that said, there is the possibility it will help marriage/monogamous relationships in the long run…I will say that it is something to consider because of the way men are genetically wired to be continually attracted to variety. Read "Sex At Dawn" by Christopher Ryan.
Posted by David on August 21, 2011 at 9:31 pm | permalink |
Oh my David's and Chris, I think you are missing something really important here, and it has been said before, "there is no negotiating with the biological clock" for women. David – Sperm and a paycheck? Just because a woman has a relationship at 28 does not mean it isn't a love relationship. I might even argue that those relationships were closer to purer love and a little less jaded than the ones a woman might develop later in her life (based on my own personal experience, of course).
Women in their 20's think they have all the time in the world, but they don't. It is a very undesirable situation indeed for a woman to be in her 40's, trying to work full time at her corporate job, and raise a very young child with a husband married later in life who also has to work ridiculous hours. I also know this from personal experience.
Penelope's post here provides a path for avoiding that very situation. ( Yes, ok, not everyone will need plastic surgery.)
Posted by Angela on August 21, 2011 at 11:40 pm | permalink |
@ Angela – re "biological clock" – I see tons of older women (late 30's; mid 40's) having children and handling their lives perfectly fine. The key is, having a more successful career and then a higher income. They can afford fertility treatments; they can also afford hire assistance to help with household chores.
The advice doesn't make much sense. On one hand, a woman is a slave of her body ("biological clock"). On the other, the woman can manage her body (plastic surgery, botox). Weird.
Of course, I would be paying more attention if the blogger were Sheryl Sandberg. That's a successful woman right there.
Posted by Joan on August 22, 2011 at 6:53 am | permalink |
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Posted by Chicago Botox on August 22, 2011 at 5:28 am | permalink |
Wow, and you say Tim Ferris has no soul?
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Posted by Andrea M on August 22, 2011 at 8:16 am | permalink |
@ Andrea M – funny thing is, Tim Ferrisstill gets tons of more comments, in younger and more successful than P Trunk.
She is funny to read, but I wouldn't buy stuff that she promotes.
Posted by Lily on August 22, 2011 at 8:24 am | permalink |
And you say Tim Ferris has no soul?
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!
Posted by Andrea M on August 22, 2011 at 10:33 am | permalink |
Whoops excuse the double post.
@ Lily I agree. I have gained a bit from some of her previous posts (albeit mostly references to other sites or authors – I bought "4 Hour Work Week" as a result of this blog and quite enjoyed it ha-ha). But this post makes me discount most of what she's said in the past that I found to be valuable. This post just seems like crazy talk from someone who is lost in life and is full of regrets. It's kind of sad.
But on the other hand I think she just says things for her own entertainment of reading the reactions, regardless of whether she actually means them (who knows what she really thinks?) What else is there to do in Darlington?
Posted by Andrea M on August 22, 2011 at 10:47 am | permalink |
@ Andrea M – OMG, I never thought of that; you are so right! Bored in the middle of nowhere, she writes this stuff and let the show run. Poor souls cooeing "how thought-provoking!"; and the others yelling "anti-feminist!".
FYI – I just checked the mailbag. It's hilarious! Like, don't go to grad school, but get a job in the field. LOL.
Posted by Lily on August 22, 2011 at 2:41 pm | permalink |
So would your advice for someone who is recently divorced with a small child be to remarry asap? 37 working recently single mom working full time. Too late for grad school or mba – doing that middle management thing because I didn't have the balls to tell my then husband that I was going to be a stay at home mom and we'd just muddle along financially – or maybe I didn't have to the balls to be a stay at home mom – not sure the distinction matters anymore.
Posted by s on August 22, 2011 at 10:50 am | permalink |
As a 29 year old woman who has spent 2 years teaching in primary schools and five years as a nanny for some very wealthy families in the UK, I would like to chime in. And agree with Penelope.
I work with women who think they can have it all. And you can't. End of story.
I have traveled the world, had some very interesting jobs in advertising and publishing, and have been highly self sufficient. It's been great. However, I haven't been able to hold a relationship for longer than two years, partly because of my love of travel and partly because I am willing to travel at the drop of a hat for work. I never made having a husband a priority, although I always thought it was important for me. A year ago, I decided that getting married was a priority and chose to settle down with a stable job in one city. Dating hasn't been perfect yet, but I feel more confident. I had to change a few things. That's life.
As far as working moms…I will never be one. I don't particularly want children and am happy to remain childless, but I let guys know up front that if THEY want kids, one of us is staying home with them. I'm fine if that's me. I worked as a nanny for so many years and let me tell you what your "help" can tell you about working families:
1. Most women who have nannies, do not need to work. Honestly, when your husband makes around 100k, there is no need for duel incomes. And yet, they do NEED a second income becasue they spend just as much money as they make. I made about $30 an hour depending on the job I worked. Great for me, but not great for their budget. And yes, your help knows how much you make.
2. Your husbands like the nanny. Every single time. It's because we cook and clean. We iron their shirts. Your kids love us. When your husband comes home from work and you are still at work, they talk to us. When they like us, it's not beacsue we are prettier or funnier or smarter than you, it's beacsue we are accomodating. And yes, you are paying us to be nice. But let's be real, after 6 months, your husband kind of forgets that.
3. The good news to #2? We don't (generally) like your husband. He's too old for us, we know what a slob he is, we know how he yells at the kids, etc. The nanny isn't going to sleep with your husband most of the time.
4. Your kids cry a lot when you aren't home. I used to have to rock an 8 year old girl to sleep every night becasue she would cry so hard taht her mom wasn't home that she threw up. She also used to make pointed comments that were wise beyond her years: "You are like a better version of mommy. We spend all day and night with you AND you make us pancakes." When "mommy" came home, she was tired and frustrated and upset that we had had pancakes for dinner. You should be the one having "breakfast for dinner" with your kids. THose are my favorite memories with my mom. (Who worked part-time!)
5. Finding a husband in America after you hit 30 is pretty hard. Not impossible, but it's still going to take EVEN MORE mental energy than it would have at 24. Mostly, good men were married off between 25 and 28. And they were in LTR starting at 22-25. So…you are stuck dating workaholics, guys who like to "trade up", and the ones no one else wanted. Suddenly, instead of marrying a nice 8, you are settling for 5's and 6's. And I am not just talking looks, I'm talking the whole package, personality and all.
6. Yes, of course there are a lot of men who will "accept you just as you are." But will YOU accept them? If you wouldn't accept any old man that walks down the street, why would you expect him to do it for you? Of course, to be super honest, you have to know that men over value themselves all the time. You acknowledge you are a 7? Well, that man who you judge to be a 7 thinks he's a 9. And he wants to date other 9's. So, while I don't think I'll be getting plastic surgery ever, I completely believe in the power of investing in a good haircut, pretty dresses, expensive bras, and moisturizers.
Penelope is not the feminist voice at all, but here's the cold hard fact:
feminism has actually made "having it all" just as tough as it was before. Only now we face different hurdles. Feminism as we know it has made it okay for men to be man-boys and put off having families longer, while they compete with us over everything. And let's really look at it, if you do want kids, you are already admiting that you ARE different from men. And if you don't, like me, then you can wait longer. But I don't want to. I want to have someone to come home to after a long day that will give me a hug. Sorry. I'm the worst feminist ever.
(also: apologies for any typos, I am typing fast and not using spell check, as I am doing this on my lunch break!)
Posted by Elle on August 22, 2011 at 7:38 pm | permalink |
Elle, just wanted to commend you on your comments. Very insightful and a needed reality check for many.
Posted by Carina on August 22, 2011 at 8:20 pm | permalink |
@ Elle – In my USA experience
1. US$100k is not enough to support a family with certain living standards.
2. Men return home from work, and go to their computers/ watch tv/listening to music while the dinner is ready. Talking to wives and kids is an effort, and for them is acwkard socializing to a domestic assistant.
3. Kids love their nannies, but they know who is their real mommy. Working mothers do lots of activities with the children (baking cookies, swimming, museums, besides homework, of course).
You can have the marriage + kids + career + social life.
It requires smarts, planning, and self-awareness; it requires a deliberate effort, and I think that's the thing: It's not easy.
PS If you like traveling, look for a man who has to travel for work. I've seen many LT relationships with couples that travel 25%+ of their time, and believe me, it can work.
Posted by Cindy on August 23, 2011 at 5:10 am | permalink |
Agree 100%. I married young. Ditched the career path early on to be with my kids, then homeschooled them.
Everyone thought I was crazy not to "fulfill my potential". But I did–just my way.
At 45, I have no regrets. And the happiness I feel makes me look like my sons' sister (or so many tell me).
Posted by Guest on October 8, 2011 at 11:05 pm | permalink |
You might hope that your kids will rule the world, but based on my experience going through the educational system, home schooling is pretty god damn awful for the kid's social development. (I was homeschooled for 2 years btw).
So through out high school, I did the nerdiest of nerdy things, and of course, lots of homeschool kids did too — debate, math team, speech, and band. Amongst even the uber nerds, the home schooled kids were consistently the most shy and withdrawn. This continued to be true when I left for college( a good one, don't worry). The home schooled kids had an advantage in learning, but were way way behind in socialization.
You might think your kid's getting the same social experience and way better education, but trust me, your kid is not getting the same social experience. At home school, your kid gets to learn at his own pace right? That's not true in the real world, whether it's a shitty public high school or private college. Are there any bullies at home school? There are bullies in the public school system, and hell, bullies in real life. What's it like to meet new people without any support from your parents? Who knows? But that's what college is like.
I went through the public school system, and I agree with your criticism, generally, but I don't think homeschooling is the way out.
Posted by bubba on August 23, 2011 at 10:58 am | permalink |
For a woman of above-average native ability to choose not to have children is profoundly anti-social. Viewed in light of its long-term effect on the general welfare, such voluntary barreness is hardly less deplorable than murder.
What is the long-term prognosis for a meritocratic society in which educational attainment and career success correlate inversely with lifetime fertility and only women at the bottom of the scale reproduce at more than replacement rate?
Posted by wumhenry on August 23, 2011 at 2:20 pm | permalink |
@ Wumhenry – great comment. That behavior is actually typical. Europe, and now Asia is showing the same trend.
Did you read this week's The Economist editorial page? An unexpensive solution could be for men to help more with the housework.
http://www.economist.com/node/21526350
Posted by Jill on August 23, 2011 at 2:39 pm | permalink |
The Economist editorial doesn't mention the most troubling aspect of the trend: the inverse correlation between birthrate and objective indicators of ability and the predictable dysgenic effect of same.
For women of above-average ability, bearing children out of wedlock and either raising them without fathers or giving them up for adoption would be better for society than choosing to have none.
Posted by wumhenry on August 23, 2011 at 2:59 pm | permalink |
What nonsense.
There is no evidence that intelligence goes through the genes, and quite frankly there are enough kids languishing and waiting to be adopted, because everyone is as selfish as you, and want "one of their own" because no-one will admit that they are below average.
Posted by Anonymous on November 14, 2011 at 7:26 am | permalink |
I doubt The Economist is going with the "society is getting dumber" line on the editorial pages – LOL!
Posted by Jill on August 23, 2011 at 6:42 pm | permalink |
As much as I hate to admit it, I agree with a lot of this post – especially the stuff about getting married young, being with your kids as much as possible, and planning your career for flexibility. And have followed a lot of this advice – all inadvertently, of course, and without any kind of master plan. However, I do want to clarify something – this is a great life plan, if you really, honestly do not give a fuck about having a real career. I don't – I would much rather be with my kid and my husband, any day. I have a job, a low-involvement job that lets me schedule my life around my son's school schedule. It's not a career. It's not anything I'm ever going to make serious money doing. But I like it and I can keep my kid out of the till-6 p.m. after-care at his charter school (no homeschooling for us, thanks; the charter school is fine). But if I had deep-seated desires to have a great and powerful career – this life plan would be a blueprint for misery, without a doubt. It comes down to doing what you know will make you happy.
The biggest thing women can do to create happiness for themselves is to admit to themselves what they really want, and then go for that and forget the other stuff. Do you really want children? Really? Then get a teaching certification or a nursing license or do something else that will enable you to be there for your kids and not make yourself crazy with guilt. Do you really want a high-powered career, and could give a shit about having kids? Then do that, and don't let anyone convince you that not having kids is a mistake.
The unhappiest women I know are the ones who are trying to "have it all" – high-powered career, kids, marriage, nice house, nice cars, etc. That is like being on a treadmill that never slows down, that you can never get off of. My car is 7 years old and my house will never make a lifestyle magazine spread, but on early-dismissal days I can go pick up my kid and take him to the park. That matters to me. I will never be CEO or partner or VP of anything, and I don't care. That doesn't matter to me. The whole "having it all thing" is a complete and total myth. Be a parent, or be a company president. Don't try to do both, because you will end up doing something badly – and if it's parenting, then congratulations, you've screwed your kids up for life.
And no, you don't need a rich husband to pull off the "no career" thing, although it helps. You just need an understanding that all the material crap in the world isn't satisfying as living the life you want to live – and actually, that's true whether you have kids or not. Do you want to wake up at 45 and wonder why your life sucks so much, and why you're so unhappy, but hey, at least you have a new Lexus? Or do you want to wake up and think "Goddamn, I have a great day ahead of me today!" If you can figure out a way to combine the money thing and the happiness thing, more power to you. But life on the corporate hamster wheel isn't how the vast majority of people get to happiness, from what I can see.
Posted by Amy on August 23, 2011 at 8:42 pm | permalink |
These are by far the the best career tips for women I have seen on a blog! Thanks for such an insightful post.
Posted by AJ on August 23, 2011 at 9:58 pm | permalink |
UUUUM…No. Have plastic surgery? Just bite the bullet and keep you husband happy? I know lots of moms (including my own who had a career and kids) and had them go to public school and we turned out okay. This post basically says if you are going to have kids you have to give up all of the other parts of your life to keep a family and it just isnt so—my mom had a spouse, friends, and a career and she did a GREAT job.
Posted by Lily on August 23, 2011 at 11:09 pm | permalink |
AND…I also just realized you talk a big game…of contradictions and inexperience. But PLEASE explain:
How can I do LESS homework—and go to school to get my MBA?
How can I get plastic surgery and botox—while practicing austerity??
Start looking for a husband early and guard your marriage—how did that work out for you? Oh yeah, 1 divorce and now recently married to a guy that has dumped you according to your own words, more times than you can count? Partially because of his mommy? Does anyone but me see you heading for divorce number two???
How would YOU know if kids are screwed up if they are not home-schooled???? Are you saying YOUR kids are so screwed up now you had to pull them out? You haven't even BEGUN to home-school your kids yet, don't even know if you will stick with it, and are telling other people to do it? PLEASE. STOP.
Posted by Lily on August 23, 2011 at 11:42 pm | permalink |
OH yeah…Break the mold by realizing all of this? And if you are already 40, well at least you have good sex going for you?? UGH! Are you so unhappy that you feel the need to try to push it on the rest of us? Is this really what you feel about YOURSELF?
Read the article on the study—it says that men and women have the same desires (happy marriaqge) but that men are more likely to have them filled—but it doesn't list why. Funny. You might say its because us girls are too career focused and let our families fall apart—but that would lead to unhappiness on BOTH sides so that can't be it. I think it's because so many women have the same old school way of thinking that you do. They spend ALL of their time on family and NONE on themselves, only to look up one day and see they have accomplished nothing outside of their kids and husband on their own. And its important for EVERYONE to have their own accomplishments.
Don't get me wrong I love your blog—it's honest and real and Brazen Careerist is great—but this entry is just a tad upsetting…
Posted by Lily on August 23, 2011 at 11:54 pm | permalink |
Gosh Lily, let's not take Penelope's advice to the extreme. In a nutshell, all she is saying is that the majority of (heterosexual) women will find more of these ideas helpful than unhelpful, particularly if family is important to them. She wants others to benefit from the wisdom she picked up from her mistakes, and for that we ought to be appreciative.
Amy, you are right. I am also a woman who has been trying to have it all and it only makes for misery. Downsizing is on the horizon. Lord, pull me off the hamster wheel.
Wumhenry, good point! Woe to the nation whose only reproducing class is also its least educated and poorest!
Posted by Angela on August 24, 2011 at 12:01 am | permalink |
That is totally right! Thanks for sharing that guideline. =) I'd like to add that woman once married should make sure to have a happy and loving family. And also a must have we should have a happy soul. so let us not forget god. =)
Posted by Paola @ Pickaweb on August 24, 2011 at 3:42 am | permalink |
@ Angela – actually, in ALL nations the "least educated and poorest" are the ones that reproduce the most.
In general: when national income rises, birthrate decreases. Just an observation.
Posted by Another Lily on August 24, 2011 at 5:23 am | permalink |
Trust me; you really DON'T know what the blueprint for a woman's life should be.
Telling women to get plastic surgery isn't just a feminist faux pas; it's advising women to spend a lot of money mutilating their bodies to appeal to the worst aspects of society.
There is something truly wrong with you.
Posted by Helen Gallagher on August 24, 2011 at 6:22 am | permalink |
Hi Lily, they might reproduce the most, but do we want the most educated to avoid procreation? This is not the America of our grandparents, when being born into poverty and ignorance was still very much a surmountable circumstance.
I do not want to contemplate the day when the majority of educated women in America opt out of family-making all together.
Thank you Penelope, for offering a recipe to make it somewhat do-able.
And to those who criticize, a blueprint is just a blueprint. Don't like the plastic surgery room? Put something else there then, like a life-long gym membership room, or substitute the points about less homework and getting an MBA with studying very hard and going on to medical school. You get the picture.
Posted by Angela on August 24, 2011 at 6:30 am | permalink |
Hi Angela,
My point is – that happens in all the countries.
See Europe, with all that family-friendly work policies. But that type of legislation would be perceived as "socialism" in America.
I see your point. I just don't see the solution as simple as 'be a patriot – procreate'.
Posted by Another Lily on August 24, 2011 at 6:58 am | permalink |
Hi! Just to be clear I am not the Lily from Florida, 35. I am from Chicago—just same name! I started posting on the 23rd–the three comments posted in a row on that date are from me. (She started on the 22nd) And I read through all the comments!
It looks like we might have the same opinion anyway! LOL!
Hi first Lily!
I guess I'll just go by LilyChicago.
On that note I'm not sure either of us said anything regarding non educated persons reproducing, ANGELA, but since I find what was said horrid, I will respond…
Posted by LilyChicago on August 24, 2011 at 7:36 am | permalink |
To Angela & Wumhenry, I'm sorry you are a little off—-SINCE WHEN DID BEING EDUCATED MEAN YOUR OFFSPRING WOULD BE? Did people start becoming born with college degrees?? And if so why the heck did I take out thousands in student loans for mine? I know plenty of kids whose parents didn't go to school and ended up graduating from college *POINTS TO SELF*
I also know plenty of people that are not college educated and have great kids–whether they decide or have the ability even to be formally educated or not. But thank you, for making it seem as if just because people are poorer and can't afford to go to school that they are somehow just bumbling idiots and that our nation would be lost if already educated persons didn't have kids. Where did you get YOUR degrees from, and please tell me so I can avoid THAT university at ALL COSTS!
I'm sorry, ignorance regarding the working class and education is NOT a reason to follow PT's ridiculous advice—nor does it make said advice any less contradictory and irrelevant to her actual situation.
Posted by LilyChicago on August 24, 2011 at 7:39 am | permalink |
LilyChicago wrote:
>>SINCE WHEN DID BEING EDUCATED MEAN YOUR OFFSPRING WOULD BE? [snip] I know plenty of kids whose parents didn't go to school and ended up graduating from college *POINTS TO SELF*
I also know plenty of people that are not college educated and have great kidsâwhether they decide or have the ability even to be formally educated or not. But thank you, for making it seem as if just because people are poorer and can't afford to go to school that they are somehow just bumbling idiots and that our nation would be lost if already educated persons didn't have kids.<<
Whoa! I'm not assuming that people without college degrees can't beget intelligent kids.
But the ugly fact is, according to statistics compiled in Murray and Herrnstein's unfairly-maligned *Bell Curve*, that if you sort the adult female population by educational attainment and compare lifetime fertility, the only group that's reproducing at higher-than-replacement level are those who don't even finish high school! Some high-school dropouts may be quite intelligent, but do you doubt that women with college degrees — and, a fortiori, women with post-grad degrees, who have the lowest average birthrate of all — are *on average* more intelligent than women who don't finish high school? It's the averages that matter from a social-genetic standpoint, not the exceptions.
Movie recommendation: If you want to see where we're headed if the current trend continues, watch Mike Judge's dark comedy *Idiocracy*, available on DVD from Netflix and other sources.
Posted by wumhenry on August 24, 2011 at 12:28 pm | permalink |
wumhenry says:
"Some high-school dropouts may be quite intelligent, but do you doubt that women with college degrees â and, a fortiori, women with post-grad degrees, who have the lowest average birthrate of all â are *on average* more intelligent than women who don't finish high school?"
Um…NO! Because a college education doesn't necessary make you more intelligent in my definition. *insert George W. Bush joke here* But I guess it depends on what we call intelligence. Is it being able to recite what was read from a book—-or about applying what you have learned to this real-world we call life and adjusting as necessary.
I take the latter—-and know TOO MANY college educated fools (most in upper management) that do not come close to fitting the bill!
Posted by LilyChicago on August 24, 2011 at 1:31 pm | permalink |
Hi LilyChicago,
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Yes, it seems we share similar opinions
Really, my jaw dropped when I read the word "dysgenic" in Wumhenry's comment. Un-effing-believable.
Posted by LilyFlorida on August 24, 2011 at 8:35 am | permalink |
I know! And it continues! *cry* Why, LilyFlorida, WHY? *faints*
Posted by LilyChicago on August 24, 2011 at 1:34 pm | permalink |
Hey, Penelope wrote a recipe (blueprint). You can like her recipe and use it or not. You can adapt the recipe, leaving out some ingredients that you don't like/don't have in your repertoire/don't stock on your shelf.
She means that we all need a plan. Even the most disorganized person has a plan floating about in his/her mind. The plan reflects your values and priorities. Follow it. Revise it according to your developmental phase and according to the life events you have experienced: the example of your parents; experiencing catastrophic illness or the death of someone close to you; marriage or divorce; having a child/ren, launching a child into the world; and many more.
Know that your plan is unique. As you get older, you tweak it more and more to you. Your plan is not better than anyone else's. No need to go into attack mode because her plan seems crazy to you. Enough with the defensiveness.
We can learn from one another. Penelope has sparked all these responses. The cynic calls this "increasing traffic to the blog," but we all benefit from the dialog.
Oh, and did I mention? Enough with the defensiveness???
Posted by chris Keller on August 24, 2011 at 8:36 am | permalink |
Guys, my favourite comment up there is the one that said
"VOLUNTARY BARRENESS IS HARDLY LESS DEPLORABLE THAN MURDER"
The comment was refering to "native-ability" women.
What would that commenter suggest to do with those women. Stone them to death?
This P Trunk chick is the Sarah Palin of self-help.
Posted by Sue on August 24, 2011 at 10:20 am | permalink |
>Guys, my favourite comment up there is the one that said
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>"VOLUNTARY BARRENESS IS HARDLY LESS DEPLORABLE THAN MURDER"
[snip]
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>Posted by Sue on August 24, 2011 at 10:20 am
Only if you're of above-average intelligence. That might let you off the hook, Sue.
Posted by wumhenry on August 24, 2011 at 5:57 pm | permalink |
Calculating your life like this only leads to disappointment. This is a very uninspiring post and a terrible message to women in their 20s (I am in my 30s). For real inpiration I recommend reading Viktor Frankl's "man's search for meaning."
Posted by Catherine on August 24, 2011 at 9:04 am | permalink |
To be Penelope sounds very unhappy. A blueprint like this only leads to disappointment. This is a very uninspiring post and a terrible message for women in the 20s (I am in my 30s) Fo read inspiration I recommend reading Viktor Frankl's 'man's search for meaning'.
Posted by catherine maddi on August 24, 2011 at 9:08 am | permalink |
@ catherine maddi: I agree about Viktor Frankl's Man's Search for Meaning. But it is not either/or–rather, it is both, to ME.
Penelope doesn't seem unhappy to me, except in the sense that none of us can be steadily happy. We have our ups and downs, all of us.
Rather, Penelope seems like a restless soul, a seeker, one who longs and yearns:
Good, better, best;
Never let it rest
Till the good is better
and the better best.
These folks become lifelong learners . . .
Posted by chris Keller on August 24, 2011 at 9:14 am | permalink |
This is a very uninspiring and depressing post. I believe Penelope is unhappy – maybe everything is in place on paper but she comes across as unsatisfied. Any blueprint for life only leads to disappointment. Life is about the good and the bad and happiness depends on how you react to the bad. For real inspiration I recommend reading Victor Frankl's 'man's search for meaning'
Posted by catherine maddi on August 24, 2011 at 9:14 am | permalink |
It's hard to wrap my head around #6 – you should include a disclaimer that states to GET OUT of any marriage where: you are being emotionally and verbally abused and even after months of counseling and discovery of "less-than-honorable" activities by a husband who turns out to do nothing but lie at every turn and who has ignored you and your children for years – there is no such thing as being able to guard your marriage obsessively.
Posted by CeeCee on August 24, 2011 at 9:41 am | permalink |
I think the only people taking this "Blueprint" seriously are young, inexperienced women. Penelope is basically saying don't work hard, don't get good grades, don't become accomplished and work in an industry you're passionate about. She's saying find a wealthy man in business school or elsewhere so you can marry early, have babies, use up your maternity leave. She also suggests finding another man to form a start up with (because you'll be too busy looking for a man or having babies). Seriously? This is the funniest piece I've ever read!! And all of this advice from a divorced woman with documented marital problems, an inability to get formally married because of tax reasons, documented problems with the IRS and no successful start up that she's actually helping to manage. This is the person you are going to take life lessons from? Go to school and work hard for the sake of accomplishing success on your own. Pick a career that you're passionate about and throw yourself into it. Don't think you'l have only one career. You may have several. Don't treat men as a means to an end. Marry men that you love (was that a collective gasp from the 20 year olds?). If you want to start a business work with men and women you respect and can learn from. Run from the idea that if you marry a wealthy man early in life you will be happy for the rest of your life. Have children when you're ready and love them to death. Don't follow Blueprints written by others. Make your own Blueprint because you are unique and talented. Also this idea that women are miserable in their 40's was written by a woman who seems miserable in her own life. Life is what you make of it. Whether you're 40, 50, 60 or 90 people will respond to you if you extend yourself to them. One of my neighbors just turned 93. She's involved with her church, goes out with family and friends (of all ages) to dinner, plays and parties. She has exactly one cocktail every evening (Jamisons) and alays sees the glass half full. She is one of the most delightful people I know.
Posted by sandy on August 24, 2011 at 11:25 am | permalink |
>Really, my jaw dropped when I read the word "dysgenic" in >Wumhenry's comment. Un-effing-believable.
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>Posted by LilyFlorida on August 24, 2011 at 8:35 am
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What euphemism do you prefer?
Posted by wumhenry on August 24, 2011 at 1:59 pm | permalink |
>>wumhenry says:
"Some high-school dropouts may be quite intelligent, but do you doubt that women with college degrees â and, a fortiori, women with post-grad degrees, who have the lowest average birthrate of all â are *on average* more intelligent than women who don't finish high school?"
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>Umâ¦NO! Because a college education doesn't necessary make you more intelligent in my definition.
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Well, of course not, but that's really beside the point.
My concern is based on the following premises, none of which implies anything about the effect of a college education on intelligence.
1) Variation in intelligence among individuals is largely due to genetic variation. This is solidly supported by recent research, not to mention common sense.
2) Women in this country who do not finish high school reproduce at higher-than-replacement level. No one else does, and women with postgrad degrees have the lowest lifetime ferility rate. This is borne out by statistics published in *The Bell Curve*.
3) *On average*, the innate (that is, inborn) intelligence of women who don't finish high school is considerably less than that of women who earn postgrad degrees
It's still a free country, and you're free to believe that the *average* intelligence of female high-school drop-outs is just as high as the average intelligence of women with post-grad degrees. But I doubt that anything close to a majority would agree with an opinion so at odds with plain common sense.
> But I guess it depends on what we call intelligence. Is it being able to recite what was read from a book [?]
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It has more to do with the ability to comprehend what is written, among other things.
I take the latterâ-and know TOO MANY college educated fools (most in upper management) that do not come close to fitting the bill!
Posted by LilyChicago on August 24, 2011 at 1:31 pm
Posted by wumhenry on August 24, 2011 at 2:29 pm | permalink |
Wow. You are a deluded bitch. I don't even know what else to say.
Posted by Corinne on August 24, 2011 at 2:59 pm | permalink |
I found this âblueprint' not only useless but also misleading advice for women who want to achieve success. As women, the worst thing we can do is strive to get ahead by being like men or bending to societal pressures. Our value comes in our femininity and doing things differently. And there isn't one blueprint for life. There are millions. I have authored a counter post to this"blueprint' point by point at http://heidiisern.com/redefining-lifes-blueprint-a-counter-to-penelope-trunk/
Posted by Heidi Isern on August 24, 2011 at 6:38 pm | permalink |
Hi
I just want to say after reading the blog post I suddenly felt very depressed and lost. I am a 36 year-old communications professional, mother of two small children. I find it so hard to be a modern woman. Is this advice supposed to help? Thanks Penelope, but I don't think this will be my blueprint.
Posted by Magalita on August 24, 2011 at 8:47 pm | permalink |
There are a lot of ways to be a modern woman. Good on you for rejecting this 'blueprint'!
Posted by Elizabeth Briel on November 24, 2011 at 7:56 pm | permalink |
Finally some real stuff…that also makes sense.
Posted by Shameem on August 25, 2011 at 12:37 pm | permalink |
I actually believe this is suitable for a certain type of woman but not for all of us.
I myself am 43 years old. I had my children young and they are full grown. I went to college, have operated my own business since 1996, and have no plans for plastic surgery or Botox. I don't look my age either. I look 28-29 and am often told this.
I am very much about nutrition and eating healthy organic foods. I don't smoke or drink, which I believe helps keep you from aging along with drinking lots of water and using lotion to keep your skin soft.
Exercise helps in helping a woman stay youthful. I used to snowmobile, hike, snowboard, mountain climb, bicycle ride. After a car wreck I now do Yoga and I walk. Exercise keeps my body at a healthy size 6 without the need for plastic surgery.
Because I eat healthy and exercise I am not overweight. I weight the same as I did when I was 18, and am happy to wear a size 6.
Point is your blueprint I wouldn't pass on to my daughter, she has different goals and is more like me. So I'd give her a blueprint of what I'd do different to make a better life.
You know what? It works. She's in school, lives independently with Epilepsy, is drug and alcohol free. I am also the mother of a Coast Guard serviceman. I think I did okay.
I don't want the corporate office way of life. I did not want the fast paced city life, the competitive MBA world I wanted a simple life. In fact I love a small town small business life. This is what I choose and know of many women who also choose a simple life.
Posted by Laura on August 25, 2011 at 1:16 pm | permalink |
I feel sorry for you, Penelope, I really do. You can't possibly be happy with yourself.
Here's another item you missed on your list: wealth does not translate into happiness or meaningful relationships with other people. That's a lesson I learned from a botox-induced trophy wife who went to college to get her M.R.S. degree, married rich and then broke her family apart because she never loved the man beneath it all.
And if a woman's worth is how hot she is and how well she marries, then why are we capable of becoming rocket scientists, world leaders, doctors, CEOs and professors? When we begin to value ourselves and our inherent strengths, maybe men will too and won't need to get botox and an MBA for them to take an interest.
Posted by C.R. on August 25, 2011 at 5:39 pm | permalink |
Man, this post is pretty negative. It seems your main points are about showing women how to jump through a bunch of societal hoops in the name of "having it all", but in a very cookie cutter sort of way. I.e: get a corp job, marry a richer slightly older man, then drop out and have a cute side business while you homeschool 2.5 kids you pop out by age 35. But I thought the whole point of feminism was to get out of the social pressure whirlwind that is placed on women (and men) so one could have an authentic, personal experience of life? I think instead of your plan I will: write a novel, take a trip around the world, get my MBA when I feel like it, date younger men, eat healthy and avoid the surgery bills, and adopt a third world baby when I turn 48!
Posted by Nikki on August 26, 2011 at 5:44 am | permalink |
Yes I can't take this post seriously at all. It seems to be written more to generate controversy than to offer sincere suggestions for women. My fear is that some younger women will actually think mapping your life out in this sad way will lead to happiness.
Posted by nubchai on August 26, 2011 at 6:12 am | permalink |
Um.
Where to start?
This is the most insane post I think I may have ever read. Who are these 1,183 people liking this on Facebook?? What is going on?
I wish I didn't feel so compelled to write this comment. The more hits this bizarre woman gets, the more she'll feel vindicated, and the more people will see it. It should be buried deep, deep, deep into the ground.
Posted by Peeber on August 26, 2011 at 7:00 am | permalink |
A few things come to mind reading this. Hitler's final solution, Sarah Palin's aerial wolf hunting, Saw III or any episode of the "Real Housewives" series. In other words – harrowing. I saw a comment about this article on Women 2.0 and when I read it, my mouth hung open the whole time. I thought it was a joke. I thought it surely must be. Then I saw that you are a popular "guidance counselor", syndicated and widely read "writer" and I felt nothing short of terror. I'm not using hyperbole here. You have upset my whole morning and challenged my faith in the human race. Makes me want to go run and hug Ann Coulter and say 'there's someone worse than you out there.' This post is disgusting and more than retrograde, it's the absurd inane wayward advice of a raving self-annihilating lunatic. Unless it's a joke and then its brilliant for its extreme version of the most vile kind of human being our contemporary society has on offer. What Women Make is the exact opposition to every sentiment uttered here. I have three words to say to you and I mean them with all my heart: Shame on you.
Posted by Chauncey Zalkin on August 26, 2011 at 7:37 am | permalink |
Please don't hug Anne Coulter.
Posted by Valerie on August 26, 2011 at 9:57 am | permalink |
*Ann
Posted by Valerie on August 26, 2011 at 9:57 am | permalink |
For all of the women freaking out over this post- can you even consider at all that Penelope's intention and tone is NOT to actually tell women to do this but to point out the absurdity of what the trends say about about us and make us aware of it…and in do doing actually encourage us to do the opposite because of the outrage???
I have been quite amused by the controversy. Lighten up people.
Posted by Liane on August 26, 2011 at 8:50 am | permalink |
Liane, you are a classic example of someone who chooses to see what they want to see.
She's not joking. Ten minutes on this blog should tell you that. I suspect you're a regular reader, which makes your delusion even more astounding. From the plastic surgery to the marry rich at business school, she means every word from her white, upper middle class heart.
Posted by Valerie on August 26, 2011 at 9:56 am | permalink |
Someone who would stereotype and judge someone based on a single comment is a classic example of ignorance.
You do not know anything about me. Divorced..single mom who works full time. No Botox. No business school. Living a completely authentic life full of adventure and joy. Kids in public education. In fact I WORK in public education. Regular reader of MANY blogs and widely open to varying perspectives. Able to take those perspectives and ponder them intelligently. Highly educated with multiple degrees. Not rich nor do I care to be…
She's not joking? Farmers aren't rich. They didn't go to business school. She got divorced… SHE didn't follow this blueprint.
My delusion? People who cannot step back and put words and perspectives in context, only focusing on their own small world perspective are delusional. People who are judgmental and critical of others without knowing them astound me.
Posted by Liane on August 26, 2011 at 10:54 am | permalink |
Um, many REAL farmers ARE rich. As in millionaires and while they maybe didn't go to business school they run a business every single day of their life.
Posted by Csnb99 on September 12, 2011 at 6:08 pm | permalink |
She's totally not joking. She linked to her own post (!) where she seriously suggested to women that plastic surgery is a new business tool. Was that a satire too? Viewing plastic surgery as a tool is consistent with her other posts about her eating disordered behavior and her raging jealousy of the young, mini-Penelope Melissa, whose size 0 ass and C cup breasts convinced Penelope that her husband was just waiting to cheat on her. Or did you think that was also satire?
This post is absolutely consistent with the views she espouses regularly. This is not some let's-eat-babies work of genius. Her post is a sad attempt to synthesize statistics and fluff journalism into an alternative path to the one she took because where she is standing now in her life is so precarious. As would be any stance based on self-hatred and shallow perfectionism. I'm judging you as delusional based on your comment being delusional. You are seeing satire where there is none. I think you might have satire confused with purposeful controversy to drive page views. I have no idea why you decided to tell me your life story. Totally wasn't interested. Was referring to your comment and your comment only.
Posted by Valerie on October 7, 2011 at 4:26 pm | permalink |
No she didn't follow the blueprint, she said so at the beginning: "To be clear, I have made lots of mistakes. But I like to think I would not have made those mistakes if I had had a blueprint for adult life like the one I'm giving you, right here. The blueprint starts at age 18 and goes to 45."
She thinks she'll solve all our problems by sharing the wisdom of her mistakes.
Posted by Anne Marie on August 26, 2011 at 6:42 pm | permalink |
Oh yeah, I'm aware she didn't do this step by step. But that didn't stop her from using men in positions of power to get her jobs (boyfriends, men she suggested she'd sleep with, men she did sleep with), for example. So my point is that whether or not she actually adhered to this bullshit 100%, she has been guided by the general principles all her life.
Posted by Valerie on October 7, 2011 at 4:28 pm | permalink |
Where are the amendments to this list? Learn how to cook real good, make sure your vagina smells like flowers 24 hrs per day, keep your body warmed up for blowjobs and anal sex, practice keeping quiet for long stretches of time, learn to agree with everything that men say, be prepared to give up all of your life's dreams and goals at any time…
This is horrible.
Posted by Brian on August 26, 2011 at 11:54 am | permalink |
Your advice is completely disgusting. I don't think that just because you have reached a certain age, you are entitled to give advice. Lindsay Lohan is older than me, but I don't want to listen to her.
As to your advice, I don't need plastic surgery or a husband to make myself happy or successful. I have no desire to go to business school and I don't want to "do a start up with a guy." How about we choose business partners based on acumen and experience rather than genitalia?
The worst part of this post is the number of comments applauding dependence on men and cosmetic surgery.
Posted by K on August 26, 2011 at 11:54 am | permalink |
In regards to #4…what if you aren't sure you want to get married and have kids, say, at age 26?
But if you are, do you have a separate blueprint for #4, because, for goodness sake, we all know what a challenge it can be!
Posted by shayla on August 26, 2011 at 12:23 pm | permalink |
This is the most outrageous post I've ever seen. Its sad to see women victimize themselves this way. It is barely worth the time to argue with this woman's insane point of view…
Posted by Sigita on August 26, 2011 at 12:59 pm | permalink |
This whole article is offensive, divisive, backwards, selfish, and… well, immoral.
Just so you know.
Regards,
–
C.
Posted by Colin M on August 26, 2011 at 1:16 pm | permalink |
The article is immoral? That descriptor does not apply… sorry.
Posted by ROFLMANIA on November 9, 2011 at 9:39 am | permalink |
What's with all this Funke?
Overrated, I say!
Posted by Tobias Funke on August 26, 2011 at 2:25 pm | permalink |
This is the first and last time I will read this blog. My takeaway from the 20 minutes I wasted reading this ridiculous nonsense is that I agree with the now 100+ posters that Penelope Trunk is an idiot.
Posted by KS on August 26, 2011 at 4:09 pm | permalink |
You are not smart. This is the dumbest bunch of shit i've ever heard or seen come from the mind of a woman. Thank you for setting women back hundreds of years. All women should get botox and plastic surgery? Do things because it will please your future husband? Why don't we just get back in the kitchen and make a sandwich for any man who asks because he might buy us an expensive ring? You are exactly what is wrong with society.
Posted by MSKati on August 26, 2011 at 5:02 pm | permalink |
Ha, this is great satire! It's satire, right? Of all the terrible advice that women get, like getting botox, going to school to find a husband, and staying together (and at home, homeschooling your kids) for the kids? And how that advice is all terrible and oppresses women under the guise of telling them how to be happy? Because if so, HILARIOUS!
Posted by Meaghan on August 26, 2011 at 5:05 pm | permalink |
What utter swill. Do people really believe this shite?
Posted by neko on August 26, 2011 at 6:07 pm | permalink |
Oh, did you finally read The Rules?
Or did you think that 1950s idiocy needed a retro comeback?
Or maybe you're just hoping that all women will be as shallow and illogical as you and then you can convince them to raise shallow, illogical daughters too! I'm not sure about your end game, though. It might be one of those "Step 1: Tell all women to act identically as man-obsessed Stepford Wives. Step 2: ???? Step 3: Profit!!!" situations.
Posted by Anne Marie on August 26, 2011 at 6:39 pm | permalink |
Is there a reason that this post isn't called "Blueprint For a Woman's Abject Misery"? That seems much more honest.
Posted by evil fizz on August 26, 2011 at 11:05 pm | permalink |
As far as I like to believe feminism as come, it blows my mind that people still think this way. Feminist issues aside (there are so many of them!), holy codependence batman! Most of the advise can be summed up as, "latch onto someone successful, suck up to them, and ride their wave". What a sad way to live/think…
Posted by Dave V on August 27, 2011 at 9:28 am | permalink |
Are you KIDDING me?
Look. I can agree that more attractive women will fare better. I can agree that being a 45-year-old mother of an infant is rough. But telling women to stay in awful marriages because it's somehow cocky to do otherwise is absurd, as is your suggestion that a woman go to business school primarily as a dating ploy. All this aside, I'm absolutely loving your assumption that all women want to marry and have kids.
This post is sickening. Thanks for setting us back a good thirty years.
Posted by Marla on August 27, 2011 at 10:19 am | permalink |
Am not looking for a better way to live a cliche. Feminism used to be about working to expand our possiblities/rights and make a space where we could be ourselves not forcing ourselves into shapes that in the end are destructive and truly please no one.
Posted by Leslie Smith on August 28, 2011 at 4:42 pm | permalink |
I nearly died laughing at this! Found you through Corporette, and don't know how I lived so long without you.
Posted by No Drama Momma on August 29, 2011 at 9:59 am | permalink |
I must be WAY too old (54) to appreciate this. I read this post and thought you've got to be fucking kidding me. Botox? Plastic surgery? Shop for a husband? Stay at home? Homeschool?
Life is to short to do all of this crap. I've got four kids who went/go to a poor, rural school — oldest went to Smith, next one's at Cornell, third could anywhere in the world based on scores etc., fourth is a work in progress. The key is to pay attention to the educational system and get involved (school board) in setting policy.
Whatever . . .
Posted by Rachelbirds on August 30, 2011 at 9:33 am | permalink |
I am a recent college graduate with a major in business. I have always been very involved in extra-curricular activities, which I believe can be more valuable that class time (In reference to "Do less homework"). I still always did well in school, not to say I was valedictorian or anything. I want to get my MBA after getting some experience under my belt because, like you have preached, I didn't want to go to into some unaccredited MBA program just to avoid the bad economy. I have never had a serious boyfriend, not because I haven't tried, but because boys just aren't interested in me, some think they're intimidated I think otherwise. In college I was the most involved, the hardest worker, the person who my classmates asked, "how do you do it all?". This article completely stresses me out and makes me feel like it will be impossible for a female, such as myself to ever be as successful as I have imagined and get to have the family I'd hoped. I mean all this article says to me is marry rich, stay at home, and raise your kids….
Posted by Barb on August 30, 2011 at 2:19 pm | permalink |
My garsh. I'm writing to the other readers in this one, because judging by other posts here, I'm not gonna get anywhere with the author.
I think that Trunk should probably take a breather. I think that she has insecurity issues and perhaps an inflated, hollow ego, and that those things guided her "Blueprint", not actual success. I think that is why she yells at people in her head while driving, not because she actually has something to prove that is prove-able. That's my ad hominem argument.
Regarding her suggestion to do less homework, I think that women should study if they feel that that will make them their personal best, and not study so much if they don't. A woman who is un-athletic and is bored by video games WILL NOT benefit from doing those types of things. If she doesn't like to plan events, then she probably shouldn't be in a club. If it's in her blood to study, she needs to study.
Also, regarding her suggestion to get Botox and plastic surgery, she obviously has never been to Miami Beach. Those women have those things, and those women look like the muppets. Have you ever seen a lady with Botox lips sneeze?
However, sure, some people do fine with Botox and plastic surgery. But everyone? As a prerequisite to success? Girlface, c'mon. Different strokes.
And, not everyone wants to go to business school. That's a weird thing to say, and only good advice for some women. However, I can understand the hubby argument, and somewhat agree with the other hubby-related bullet points.
Now, whether or not to do a start-up with a guy… wouldn't that depend on the nature of your business and how much patience you have?
Furthermore, lady, HOMESCHOOL??!! Are you CRAZY?!
Anyways, I disagree with Ms. Trunk. I think that her version of feminism takes us down a notch and disallows us to use our natural feminine powers (grammar police!). I think instead of trying to give in to men, it's better to manipulate and scare them.
LOVE,
VAUGHN
Posted by Vaughn T (I'm a girl Vaughn) on August 30, 2011 at 2:37 pm | permalink |
Wow, this is really terrible advice, for the most part. I'm a child psychologist who studied marital problems. Please, moms, do not show this post to young women, this is awful advice. Girls- do your homework. I got a PhD and I'm financially independent. You will not get an MBA or a PhD if you don't work hard and try to learn. Homeschooling is NOT the only solution out there, obviously. And saying that kids don't notice if their parents are unhappy. Yikes. The research shows that children are very sensitive to marital issues, and marital problems can lead to anxiety or behaviour problems. Also, it's bad to model a bad relationship. This is the kind of advice only an unhappy mom would give (The kids won't notice it!) News flash: they notice everything. I would go further, but, it's all too ridiculous. P.S., ladies, if you want to become a psychologist or a doctor, do your homework. We weed out applications that don't have an A average. Guess Penelope would not have made the cut!!
Posted by BB on August 30, 2011 at 7:56 pm | permalink |
Not bad suggesyion.
Posted by mother dresses on August 31, 2011 at 2:36 am | permalink |
This is the most idiotic, shallow, demeaning shit I have read lately, and written by and "educated" woman.
So the gist of your whole plan is…look pretty, and if you aren't pretty, pay to get some pretty, then start looking for a husband, lock him down and obsessively guard your marriage so you can stay at home being a housewife, homeschooling your kids and cooking, oh and get more botox and fillers while you're at it, so you don't look older than dirt.
This kind of shit makes me sick, and the fact that so many women here are praising you for it, make me sicker.
You've just wittled down the value of a woman to her looks and usefulness as a cook and wife. Where are you from – the fucking 50s?!
You vapid, mindless idiot.
Posted by Gagme on August 31, 2011 at 10:02 am | permalink |
Also remember even if a man beats you, verbally or emotionally abuses you, or just generally sucks to be around and curtails your development, stay with him! for the kids! they'll love it. just think, if he breaks your nose, you can just go get a new one, an even better one! no problemo.
Posted by Chauncey Zalkin of whatwomenmake.com on September 2, 2011 at 4:46 am | permalink |
I wish I could like this more than once. Spot on and well put.
Posted by Anonymous on November 14, 2011 at 7:46 am | permalink |
I completely disagree with the majority of these points. If you want to live your life by gripping onto every detail until your knuckles are white, then by all means, this list might be wonderful for that.
However, life is messy, unexpected and all the better because of it. Why not suggest to women, rather than plastic surgery and botox – find an active hobby that you love, if not in your childhood or teens, then your twenties, and excel at it. It will keep you in shape and help you stay motivated, which will in turn open up more opportunities in life, love and work because of your energy levels, appearance, and better health. Why not, instead of saying "hire a maid and stock up on Botox," create excellent organizational skills in your twenties and thirties, so you can have less clutter, both physical and metaphorical, in your life, and have less to deal with. Also, wear sunscreen, don't fry your skin daily in a tanning bed, and use a good face cream. Because Botox will make you look like a severe, expressionless harpy.
Why not, instead of setting off many a woman's panic button, say "look for the qualities you desire in a husband in your early twenties" instead of "you better have that man nailed down by 28, because by 30 you need to have babies in the oven or you're eggs will rot and die." Also, if you're anything like my mom, whose husband died in a motorcycle accident (he was sober, road conditions were bad and his airway was blocked when he fell off his bike, leading to brain death, so no need to blame him) when she was 27, leaving her with a three-year-old baby (my sister), life is *never* going to be so cut-and-dry.
Also, homeschool? Do you know how horrendously poorly-adjusted most of the homeschool kids I know are? They didn't know what to do with society when they joined the "real world," and have spent all of their early and mid-twenties reeling from the shock, trying to figure out how to survive what us public-school-educated kids understand to be societal norms. I also don't know how you expect someone to be a high-powered business woman with a start-up and a fulltime career, so busy she needs to pay someone to clean her house, and homeschool her kids too.
Finally, how about "have a strong, absolutely honest, mutually-trusting marriage where both parties are in tune with one another" rather than "obsessively guard your marriage." Most guys that I have ever met have not listed "obsessively guarded" as a trait they're looking for in a relationship or marriage. Taking a strong role in choosing well and helping your marriage to survive, sure. Being possessive, hawk-eyed about the details, and unflinchingly severe in micromanaging your partnership… not so much.
I do agree with a few of your points, and every woman is allowed to live her life, so if this has worked for you, which it appears it has, and if this has worked for your clients, wonderful – but this is most likely not the "realistic blueprint for a woman's life," nor is it "the blueprint for a woman's happy life."
Posted by Tess on August 31, 2011 at 3:27 pm | permalink |
I can't decide if you're a troll or if you actually believe every woman should fit into this boring, submissive, somewhat superficial mold. But at the end of the day, I believe everyone should be able to choose their own happiness, so if this lifestyle makes you and your readers happy, who am I to judge?
Posted by Joy on August 31, 2011 at 8:18 pm | permalink |
To some of the recent commenters,
The true idiocy is expressed by you and your inability to understand satire. That is what is discouraging to me. What is also discouraging to me is when women stoop to name calling in lieu of intelligent discussion and deep thinking. THAT is what sets women back.
Look, if you want to be pissed, be pissed at a society that makes these statements true because that is where the blueprint really comes from. And maybe women should consider what role we have played as a collective in making it so by the choices we make despite wanting it to be different. Penelope called it out. Don't like it? Choose differently then. But get off your high horse…
Posted by Liane on September 1, 2011 at 11:00 am | permalink |
I largely agree with what you're saying, but you should check your definition of satire.
Posted by Nessa on October 7, 2011 at 4:40 pm | permalink |
Is this satire? Is this just an outrageous post to get comments? Is Penelope Sacha Baron Cohen or Ann Coulter?
Posted by Rachelbirds on September 1, 2011 at 11:14 am | permalink |
What is outrageous is that it is true based on trends, statistics etc not that Penelope pointed it out. She was brave enough to call something out for all of us to examine. She prompted deep thinking and reflection – for some anyway. She prompted an examiniation of social frameworks that are perpetuated by choices we make. You don't see plastic surgeons going out of business do you? NO – because women ARE getting plastic surgery and botox injections to fit a particular mold projected upon us that we buy into. I know women who are set on finding a husband that can support them. Look around…what she points out, while it outrages many of us, is real. What this post really should do is cause people to "rage against the machine", not Penelope.
Posted by Liane on September 1, 2011 at 11:22 am | permalink |
I am still subscribed to these comments. All of the people who are disgusted with her are articulate and passionate. It's a good comment stream for finding likeminded women who I'd want to fraternize with. Wish this dialogue was on my own positive contributive site showcasing creative talented innovative entrepreneurial women around the world – but sometimes it takes something negative and upsetting to bring people together. all people who think this is dangerous, frightening advice, meet me over at http://www.whatwomenmake.com!
Posted by Chauncey Zalkin of whatwomenmake.com on September 2, 2011 at 4:43 am | permalink |
Found this blog post via a friend's Facebook wall. You know….until I read the comments, I thought this was satire. Cut up your body to satisfy society's expectations? Make a life goal out of "getting a husband" (is this 1950?) Dollar signs should be at the core of living? I don't get it, and don't want to. Every day I find myself more and more satisfied by avoiding the mainstream.
Sincerely,
A happily divorced and remarried lower-middle-class homeschooling mama with well-adjusted teenagers
Posted by T Miner on September 2, 2011 at 9:09 am | permalink |
All I can say is that this post is disgusting.
I can't believe that you're seriously trying to push both genders into a small box by assigning stupid stereotypes.
Your ideas of how women should change themselves is horrible. This is something we should be working against – everyone is special in their own way, and getting plastic surgery and botox is just a way to admit that you are an absolutely insecure person who has no wisdom.
Also, how can you just give up on yourself and others like this? The world is unfair, we get it. But we're fighting against that – we want to make it fair, and hell, the real battle against equality is lost when you give up. I'm going to continue pushing for this, because equality is a basic right for everyone.
And I'm going to work hard and get A's, because I'm amazing like that and am actually thinking seriously about my future without romance.
Posted by :| on September 3, 2011 at 5:08 am | permalink |
Interesting article and there was much to agree with here. I am 68 this year. I married at 19, had three children by the time I was 28. I went BACK to college and got my degree at age 46. I was divorced once and remarried. My children are far less screwed up than my relative's who stayed married for the kids. The secret is that you can actually change the course of your life at ANY age and no matter what your previous decisions were. You have a plan that could work, but so do many many other 'plans' or non-plans. Being in the moment and assessing your position and moving on from there is the key. I hope to have minor plastic surgery this year but mostly for me…not for financial opportunity. Your article is food for thought but hopefully women will not feel they messed up because they don't fit into your bullet points.. which may or may not be based on real data.
Posted by myrna jacobs on September 3, 2011 at 11:55 am | permalink |
I've just found your blog. I have a headache now from scrolling through all of these comments, but just couldn't tear myself away. I agree with you that the reason this post is receiving so many comments is because it touches an issue that gets under people's skin. We tend to have a visceral reaction to things that go against what we have been taught, but in reality we know there is truth to what has been said-whether we like it or not. Life is not black and white. A choice that is "right" for one person may not be for another.
There are really so many levels to this topic of what a blueprint for women "should" look like, which is perfectly illustrated by the responses above. I agree with you on many levels, but I am at a place in my life where I can say that and not feel bad about it. My 20-something self would argue with you until she was blue in the face.
It's all about perspective, societal pressures, and expectations put on us by others and ourselves. It really is "okay" to value things like children and family and still be a feminist, but because the generation of women before us fought so hard for equal rights (THANK GOODNESS!), I think sometimes women are too hard on themselves when they realize that they would rather be at home with their children; that somehow they have failed. It takes a change in mindset, but it's a natural evolution of the feminist movement. We went so far in one direction that it naturally will transition back to more of an equilibrium–and that may mean staying at home for one woman, continuing up the ladder so Daddy can stay home for another, or not having children at all for another woman. No blueprint is the "end-all be-all" for every woman in existence.
Good post.
Posted by Deborah on September 3, 2011 at 12:01 pm | permalink |
What the fucking fuck? At least your site will be irrelevant by the time my daughter is old enough to read. This is not career advice, it is how to snag a man in ten easy steps advice. Repackaged for the modern day moron of course.
Posted by Penny on September 4, 2011 at 8:23 am | permalink |
I must say, it was an interesting read to say the least… Besides the Botox suggestion I am inclined to agree with what you say. Women need to get out of their feminist dream world and realize that some things in this world is going to remain that way. Yes, I can say this as a woman with a BA in Women's and Gender Studies. We may be able to "fix" some characteristics of men, but otherwise we function the way we have been programmed, so just deal with it in the best way we can.
Posted by Sarah on September 4, 2011 at 12:51 pm | permalink |
Amen Sarah. It seems difficult for some of the commenters to acknowledge that we probably cannot change men, or societal attitudes, or workplace stereotypes individually within a critical time span in our lives. Those commenters who believe otherwise are idealists.
Penelope is reflecting the weariness of those of us who tried the "idealistic" way, and found it exhausting, and once the kids come, found it to be SO not worth it. If critics who've posted bothered to look at her history, they would see she tried: the high powered career and the stay-at-home dad model, the public schools, having children after 35 and trying to raise them as a single mom. The blueprint is mostly based on what she would have done differently.
One of the commenters criticized Penelope's plan as "the path of least resistance." So?
I wish I had taken it.
Posted by Angela on September 4, 2011 at 10:56 pm | permalink |
I like that you mention studies and research in your articles. Because of your contrarian, politically incorrect opinions, people will get angry at you. However, I think you're totally right. I'm not sure how I feel about Botox or plastic surgery, but it's true that attractive people are more successful, and that stay-at-home moms are generally happier than women who have to balance careers with family. Thanks for posting this article!
Posted by Guest on September 15, 2011 at 12:13 am | permalink |
I like that you mention studies and research in your articles. Because of your contrarian, politically incorrect opinions, people will get angry at you. However, I think you're totally right. I'm not sure how I feel about Botox or plastic surgery, but it's true that attractive people are more successful, and that stay-at-home moms are generally happier than women who have to balance careers with family. Thanks for posting this article!
Posted by Guest on September 15, 2011 at 12:13 am | permalink |
I was horrified when I first read this until I realized that it was a perfectly accurate description of the (white) women members of the private club I work for. I wouldn't trade my life for theirs. They are bitter and mean and their kids are out of control. They basically strike me as unfulfilled.
So no thanks-I'll just be getting on my own childless, interesting, equitable, intellectually and emotionally fulfilling way.
Posted by Betty on September 15, 2011 at 2:38 am | permalink |
This is disgusting and I really hope it's a joke.
Posted by Guest on September 17, 2011 at 5:46 am | permalink |
I love that this post completely assumes that all women are heterosexual and want to have kids. It also assumes that the only purpose in life for a woman is to marry and breed.
The assumption that only a woman should be working on holding a marriage together is disgusting, as is the implication that this will be beneficial for the children. If 2 people hate each other and are miserable in their marriage, they will not be putting that so called important attention onto the children as you say is so required, instead the child will grow up with only a hateful representation of adult relationships as their model for their own future interactions.
No but seriously, thanks for throwing us all back into the 1950s and enforcing an ideal that the only thing women are good for is looking pretty and serving a man. The fact that its other women espousing these dated and offensive ideals is just plain saddening.
Posted by Sarah on September 17, 2011 at 7:15 am | permalink |
I disagree, for several reasons.
First, this advice is for women who want to have children and a partner some day, whether heterosexual or not. And for that (large) segment of the population, I'd say it's spot on.
Second, Penelope's advice is realistic, whereas many women in their early 20s are not. The truth is that many of them will change their tune by the time they hit 30 and realize that they really want a family but have no partner with whom to create one. Penelope's advice is kind of like saving for retirement; you don't know what exactly you'll want when you're in your 60s, but you'd like to have the financial security to make that decision when you get there.
Third, your implicit assumption that a woman should NOT be working on holding a marriage (whether with a man or a woman) together is, in my opinion, disgusting. Fact: people are more happy when they are in committed relationships. Fact: committed relationships only work when the two people in the relationship prioritize it. Moreover, by following this advice and looking for a marriage partner early, a woman can ensure that she makes a reasoned decision and doesn't end up hating her partner, thus eliminating your hypothetical scenario of two people hating each other and being miserable in their marriage.
Finally, this is by no means a 1950s scenario. This is empowerment. This is a woman taking control over the direction of her life and setting herself up so that SHE can be happy, not because society tells her to do so or because she has no other alternatives, but because she is realistic and realizes that at some point she will want to have financial stability, a family, and a career, and this is the best way to balance those to things.
PHEW! Now, excuse me while I step off my soapbox.
Posted by anonymous on October 19, 2011 at 9:58 pm | permalink |
Unbelievable! Sad!
Now.
If I am miserable, unhappy and frustrated with every minute of my life how will I be able to raise a happy, confident child? If I have absolutely no smile in me how will I be able to smile at my child? If I am unhappy how will I be able to bring happyness in my child's life?
Staying married for the sake of a child is not always the best solution. I grew up with my mother being degraded almost every single day of my life. For years I wished she would just leave him and get a divorce. I would have rather seen her smile every day and go back and forth between my parents than having them both around destroying and ripping each other apart. From my experience I learned that enough is enough. Besides, how can I teach my child to have self-respect when he/she grows up watching me being a broken woman without the strength to stand up and say: enough???
Further, as Sarah said, I am a woman. Not born to merely breed and cater to a man but born to live a life of all of the above.
I will refuse to inject botox merely to please a man. If one man doesn't respect my wrinkles which surely didn't appear from papmering myself all day, hey, another one will!
If I! chose to do so then it is for MY pleasure.
Point 10.
There are many public schools that will enable a child a good education. There are pros and cons in every system. Indeed, homeschooling will enable close monitoring, however, a child will not have the chance to to develop social skills. I think a parent needs to spend some time looking for good schools and have in depth conversations with the teacher that will be teaching their child. Clearly: if the teacher says – even one time – "he/she don't" – that person should not be teaching your child.
Hollywood .. really? So that's what we should compare our standards too?? A "world" with, what, about 90% divorce rate, sandals, cheating .. you name it?
Fortunately, we woman still have a choice: A Toy or Toymaker.
Posted by Gisela Kloess on September 24, 2011 at 10:33 pm | permalink |
Unbelievable! Sad!
Now.
If I am miserable, unhappy and frustrated with every minute of my life how will I be able to raise a happy, confident child? If I have absolutely no smile in me how will I be able to smile at my child? If I am unhappy how will I be able to bring happyness in my child's life?
Staying married for the sake of a child is not always the best solution. I grew up with my mother being degraded almost every single day of my life. For years I wished she would just leave him and get a divorce. I would have rather seen her smile every day and go back and forth between my parents than having them both around destroying and ripping each other apart. From my experience I learned that enough is enough. Besides, how can I teach my child to have self-respect when he/she grows up watching me being a broken woman without the strength to stand up and say: enough???
Further, as Sarah said, I am a woman. Not born to merely breed and cater to a man but born to live a life of all of the above.
I will refuse to inject botox merely to please a man. If one man doesn't respect my wrinkles which surely didn't appear from papmering myself all day, hey, another one will!
If I! chose to do so then it is for MY pleasure.
Point 10.
There are many public schools that will enable a child a good education. There are pros and cons in every system. Indeed, homeschooling will enable close monitoring, however, a child will not have the chance to to develop social skills. I think a parent needs to spend some time looking for good schools and have in depth conversations with the teacher that will be teaching their child. Clearly: if the teacher says – even one time – "he/she don't" – that person should not be teaching your child.
Hollywood .. really? So that's what we should compare our standards too?? A "world" with, what, about 90% divorce rate, sandals, cheating .. you name it?
Fortunately, we woman still have a choice: A Toy or Toymaker.
Posted by Gisela Kloess on September 24, 2011 at 10:33 pm | permalink |
As a women I was pretty offended by most of your advice.
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Posted by Sinha on September 29, 2011 at 3:09 am | permalink |
you pretty much only give advice tailored to your exact experience.. not all women want kids. Not all women want to do startups. Not all women want a "lifestyle job" or MBA. Your advice occasionally lacks objective insight and this is one example of them. I really like you & your posts, but at giving objective advice and seeing things from all angles.. you really have to improve on that. Getting Botox will not give you happiness, if you have a husband that loves you & are already happy with kids. Most women can't even afford botox when they have kids to raise, and vacations to plan. Insecurity is what drives the plastic surgery business, so this advice would be better tailored to insecure women in their 40s, not successful, confident ones.
Second, homeschool your children is bad advice. There's ample data to show the value of creating social networks early (i.e. Freakonomics – book you really should read), and it's important for developing a child's social skills which are INVALUABLE skills for later life. Also a parent won't necessarily have the best grasp of each subject area to teach their child – that's why teachers went to teacher's college – they know how to teach to children in that age group, what books they should be reading, how to encourage social and athletic activities that will help them learn and have fun.. and also, if they want to attend a better high school, higher-ranked schools and universities will not look on home school so favourably, when your parents or a friend may be grading you. It's not objective. You can't compare against 30 other kids to know how your child stands.
I post this because I think constructive criticism may help, and I hope you do read this and appreciate.
Posted by sophiz on September 29, 2011 at 5:43 am | permalink |
Please, my friend, look up the research on home schooling. And talk to admissions counselors at any college or university, including Ivy League. You might be surprised what you find.
Posted by Ginabickish on October 8, 2011 at 11:07 pm | permalink |
Seriously, I think you need to stop blogging. You're just not good, sorry.
Posted by Garbage on October 6, 2011 at 7:59 pm | permalink |
As a woman who did want kids and is now married with 2 of them, there is a lot of sense in what she says. I read this more as, "Wouldn't it be nice if life could work out this way?" If you do want to have a career and kids or even start your own business, as a woman, in order to truly balance all of these pieces, it will be easier on you if you start earlier, have more education and marry well, so that you have a little extra cushion and some extra support. That advice really goes for anyone. I'm not saying that you should only get married because the guy or woman is a good catch. But you can't say that life wouldn't be easier if you marry someone who makes some dough–because it will be easier. Life is generally easier with more money. I do sometimes find myself a little jealous of friends who got to have their kids a little earlier…who met Mr. Right a little earlier…who have more choices and flexibility because their spouse or SO makes a bit more. I'm the breadwinner, which is fine, but I married someone without a college degree in a blue collar job. I do love him, so that doesn't bother me. But it does put more strain on us and on our marriage. But then, who is to say that if I'd married someone with a better job and more money that he wouldn't be an abusive prick? That would not be a good tradeoff. I think that each of these statements in a vacuum makes sense–but in real life, you're not necessarily going to plan your life around this entire blog. I would hope not, anyway.
Posted by Holy_cackle on October 6, 2011 at 8:35 pm | permalink |
What a refreshing blog! Didn't know you existed. Will read on…………..
Posted by Www Nancysongwriter on October 18, 2011 at 9:16 pm | permalink |
OH MY..You are somewhat in my brain, I really really like you, plus I am 25
Posted by Antonia Anni on October 20, 2011 at 8:14 am | permalink |
I find it really weird that people are taking this seriously. Can't they see it's satire?
Posted by douchegirl on October 20, 2011 at 9:50 pm | permalink |
I find it really weird that people are taking this seriously. Can't they see it's satire?
Posted by douchegirl on October 20, 2011 at 9:50 pm | permalink |
This is pretty ridiculous. Is it a commentary? Is it a rant? Was this written by a real-life barbie doll? At first pass I read everything as if it was in the negative, like an article written on opposite-day, and it makes far more sense when read that way.
Posted by Preston on October 23, 2011 at 6:08 pm | permalink |
Love it! This is not politically correct advice but…it is right on point. Actually, it describes my life almost exactly and as I look back, I'm glad I made the decisions I made. I now work part-time or full-time (whichever works for me at the time) and have precious time to spend with my husband and my children. I can't say the same for the women I know who have killed themselves to get to the top just to find out they don't want to be at the top because they have way too much to do at home and they can't leave the top because there is nowhere to land gracefully. I also can't say the same for women I know who opted out of furthering their education. You will never make better decisions than getting an eduction, finding a job that you do better than anyone else, doing that job so well that you can sail through at least some days without tremendous effort (when you are exhausted) and building your career reputation doing that job before having children (so you employer will much more likely to accomodate your needs).
Posted by Turtle on October 24, 2011 at 8:40 pm | permalink |
This post should be read as ironic. It's the only way this chauvinistic, self loathing perspective is helpful.
Posted by Courtney on October 31, 2011 at 11:29 am | permalink |
this is a joke, right?
Posted by WTF on November 1, 2011 at 5:45 pm | permalink |
Ugh, I can't believe you had the audacity to write this.
Posted by Lara Stephens on November 21, 2011 at 8:32 pm | permalink |
Ugh, I can't believe you had the audacity to write this.
Posted by Lara Stephens on November 21, 2011 at 8:32 pm | permalink |
No way – this is terrible.
Our life was soo good when my parents finally divorced, I found out my mom was doing just that, sucking it up. Well, we all found out that this split should have happened ages ago. We get along so much better now.
My blueprint does not involve a male.
) We are financially set AND get to travel and do whatever we want.
I did career and kids at the same time (teen mama, no "dad" here
I teach my babies to NEVER do something they don't want to do.
Posted by ohlala on November 27, 2011 at 10:37 pm | permalink |
Wow. This may be the saddest thing I've read all month.
Posted by Jen on December 11, 2011 at 5:23 pm | permalink |
This is by far the stupidest article I have ever seen. This is not the "new" feminism. I sincerely hope you've never been a life coach.
Posted by Ana on December 11, 2011 at 5:41 pm | permalink |
This is beyond awful.
Posted by Phil McGeehan on December 11, 2011 at 6:04 pm | permalink |
While I would agree this is pragmatic advice… I couldn't agree to most of it as good advice or as a blueprint.
A great deal of it is insulting to women and men–from your recommendation to milk men for income and sperm to selling sexuality for a better career. These may be harsh realities, but they are realities feminists have been fighting for decades. I think we can do better; much better.
The trick to getting better equality between men and women is loosen up on the gender=role equation, not tighten it. We need to recognize that women can and should be breadwinners while their partners stay at home to raise well-educated and prepared children. Conveniently this works for a wide variety of relationships. Play the role you want, not the role you were born in to and don't buy in to this sell-out/put-out mentality.
Posted by Curtis on December 11, 2011 at 7:25 pm | permalink |
Just on the outset, I have a double degree in Education and Early Childhood Education which encompases brain development, counselling, family therapy, and all those good human focused sciences, including how to mesh them together into education.
I work with broken families, together families, and all of the fall out (good or bad) with these families, as will as the poor people, and the rich people. I have over ten years of intenstive experience working with a wide variety of families and cultures.
I wish to dispute the comment of staying married "for the sake of the children" is NOT an excuse. It is incredibly selfish and you are not caring for the best interests of your children if you are in an unhappy relationship. If you are unhappy within your partnership/marriage, your children WILL be unhappy. Children DO know.
My example: I looked after a 6 month old child whose parents only fought at night when the child was asleep. The parents were careful to hide it and thought she could not hear them as they argued. She would not sleep. At all. If she did it was for 2-3 hours during the night, and maybe 15 minutes twice a day. Any parent knows that this is not enought. The reason she didn't sleep was because she innatly knew that parents would fight if she was asleep. So she did her hardest to stay awake. Children know and pick up on signals and vibes that adults do not recognise. They are desgined to do this for their natural survival.
For this child, the fighting lasted for over a year. She had developmental delays due to the lack of sleep, as she did not having the energy to learn. She had poor social skills with other children as she acted in response to the vibes and the atmosphere in her home. She would hit, bite, pinch and pull at other children. She had very poor attachment to her parents due to the unsettled environment her parents tried to keep from her. The child was reffered to psysologists and behaviour therapists as the child did not improve, not matter what everyone tried. Her mother finally shifted out after 18 months of this. The VERY NEXT WEEK the child started sleeping well and within a month, her beahviour improved dramatically. Her mother was happy because they were no longer having to cope with what was going on at home. Her father was happy because he didn't have to deal with what was going on. The child was happy because she didn't have to sense every second of her waking and sleeping life that her parents were incredibly unhappy, no matter how much they tried to hide it from her. 5 years later, the child has caught up on her developmental delays, her parents have both remarried and they have worked very very hard, with family counsellors to build a good frienship so that their daughter can have a good relationship with all parents. They have both said to me on different occasions if they'd seperated when they knew it wasn't working, even if they could have worked it out later on, they would have saved their child so much pain and suffering.
Do not stay in a marriage if you are unhappy. If you are not content, your child will not blossom. Get help, get counselling, try and work it out. But if it's not working, it will not be working for anyone. Do not stay in your relationship "for the sake of the children". It's a weak excuse and you are doing damage to your children's mental and thereby physcial health.
Posted by Heidi Muller on December 12, 2011 at 12:05 am | permalink |
Dear Penelope,
I'm a male, age 50, and unemployed after a 20 year run as a software designer. Being a good Jewish boy I did what my parents required me to do, which was go to to university and study to get a decent trade and find a young lady in the 20 to 24 age range to marry. Would you like to know what happened? I was considered "too boring" by those women, and most would not give me the time of day for a date, and of course the few which did never even went beyond a kiss on the cheek by the end, after which I would never get a call back. I actually did not marry until my 40th birthday, when I finally had a career stable enough to support a family and child. Three years after I married to a 31 year old lady, I got laid off. My wife had to support us as a school teacher while I had to become a SAHD. I'm bored to tears being stuck in the house, to the point of being suicidal, I don't have the funds to retrain to a new profession, and I think my wife pities me for being jobless, basically orders me around in a reversed role relationship.
So you know what? Being a man in your scenario requires constant success as an alpha male 24-7 because woe betide the poor shmuck who gets downsized and has to wide up with a bitch like you.
Posted by Aulë on December 12, 2011 at 12:45 am | permalink |
You are having a laugh, aren't you? There's a guy with a hidden video camera taping me as I read your misguided word-vomit, and any second now someone's going to leap out and yell "SURPRISE! You're on Candid Camera!"
Posted by Dr B45t4rd on December 12, 2011 at 1:00 am | permalink |
This is horrendous and any woman who believes that this is a new time of feminism is sadly, sadly deluded.
What this post basically distills into is husband hunting is how you should be enjoying your 20's and husband keeping is how you should be spending the rest of your life.
If her marriage requires botox, guarding 'obsessively' and her earning less money than her husband and being miserable in her 40s then she is the last person who should be giving advice.
I know a lot of woman in and out of marriage, with kids or not, with jobs and without and they're having a good time, so enough with the doom and gloom.
Posted by Cynara Vetch on December 12, 2011 at 8:31 am | permalink |
My husband sent me the link to this page. He thought I would get a good laugh out of it. He's right. This is hilariously pathetic. Especially the end notes, " But look, in order to change the trajectory of women's happiness, we are going to have to drastically change the advice we give to women about how to run their lives. " How exactly is this advice different from the propaganda that ruled my mother's era? Find a husband early, that's a new one. Stay at home with the kids, never heard that before. Invest in plastic surgery, take advantage of the system, stand by your husband even if you're miserable, rely on men wherever possible. This really is hilarious, I haven't laughed so hard in a long time. Good luck homeschooling your kids, though I must say, you might actually bother to read a feminist manifesto before you attempt to teach your children what it is to be a feminist. Start with Donna Haraway and work your way out from there. (For the record, I am an educated feminist, also a successful engineer, also happily married to a very wealthy doctor, also smoking hot. My advice? Don't sell yourself as something you're not.)
Posted by Mr. Eiss on December 12, 2011 at 4:13 pm | permalink |
Are you insane or just illiterate? With advice like "4. Start early looking for a husband seriously." you should skip business school and go back to grammar school. Or maybe just brush up on that botox, since that seems to be working for you. You want some advice that is hard to hear? I'm glad you weren't my mother OR my teacher…Alice Paul is rolling over in her grave right now. Yuck.
Posted by Kristen on December 12, 2011 at 9:30 pm | permalink |
Hi Penelope, great post. Wish I had read it when I was still on time. I am now 46 and did not follow most of your points. I do wish I had. Could you write some blueprints for women in their (late) forties when they disregarded to do what you suggest they should do at 20 ? How can we fix things ?
Posted by enry on December 14, 2011 at 4:27 am | permalink |
Um, Penelope?
The 1950's called. They want their ideas back.
Posted by Calypso on December 28, 2011 at 7:38 am | permalink |
Men who have children earn more because the motivation to provide is more acute. I don't think it's because they have a pseudo-secretary.
This is great blog. Great to find this. Thank you for your candor.
Posted by Mike Bielenberg on January 4, 2012 at 11:06 am | permalink |
This is the worst blog I have ever read and I think your "blueprint" is a recipe for self-hatred for any person male or female. I would be one of those people that would say to YOU – YOU are the one misguided. I feel sorry for you at your age and as a woman that this is what you wheedled out of life's wisdom. I hope you don't have a daughter bc she most likely will be pretty messed up in life. WOW. You just don't get it – pinning your happiness on ephemeral material success, finding a husband, taking the burden of the success of your marriage all by yourself. Thinking plastic surgery and Botox will hide the fact you're a sad miserable person inside. If a ride home in the car is spent rehashing or formulating answers to the wrongminded – try spending 9 days of meditation – you will probably want to kill yourself. Seriously? Have a beer and calm down.
Posted by Anonymously concerned for women on February 8, 2012 at 6:00 pm | permalink |
I don't agree with what this woman wrote, why does she think she has any say in how other women live their lives? And what makes her think all women want a husband and kids?. It doesn't matter how old a person gets be it man or a woman, there will always be a person of the opposite gender who is looking for someone just like him/ her, since when do you see all men marrying much younger or women who make less money than them? Most adults date people on their level either just above or just below us it doesn't matter. Also unless a woman has kids at young teenage which is not good obviously, then she will be considerably older when her kids are grown up and it's very hard for a woman to get back or start her career at late 30s to early 50s if not near impossible. So I think it's better fir a woman to focus on her career until at least late 20s and working and dating to see if she meets the right man in that time if she doesn't never mind. If a woman misses her opportunity to have kids then it's sad and yes she should have tried to have them in her younger years but then again it's far more easier for a 40 year old woman to adopt a couple of kids than it is for her to start a career after having children or starting a full time career with little ones.
Posted by Sammy on February 14, 2012 at 6:32 am | permalink |
I have trouble believing that the wife should just "bite the bullet and maintain the marriage" because the kids would be better off if the relationship is emotionally and verbally abusive.
Sometimes divorce is better.
Posted by Justine Musk on February 16, 2012 at 3:35 pm | permalink |
I just couldn't let this go without comment.
http://meantforsomethingbetter.com/2012/02/17/response-to-bad-advice/
Posted by Susanna on February 17, 2012 at 10:40 am | permalink |
Penelope, you are rediculous. This blogger is far more in tune with the real world.
http://meantforsomethingbetter.com/2012/02/17/response-to-bad-advice/
Posted by Ivana Carter on February 17, 2012 at 11:47 am | permalink |