New evidence from famed happiness researcher Richard Easterlin shows that women are happier than men in early adulthood, but at age 41, this switches, and men are happier later in life. Easterlin says this gap comes from frustration over an inability to get married. Because most people want to be married, and if you want to be married but you can't get married, you are unhappy.
Intuitively it makes sense that younger women marry more easily than younger men— young women are hot, and they are out-earning their male counterparts, while young men are suffering a masculinity crisis. However as everyone ages, the men earn more money and the women have flabby thighs.
But I don't think the issue is, as Easterlin says, marriage. I think the real issue is children. Having kids complicates a woman's life in ways that are not so difficult for men. It's true that men today are more involved in parenting than ever before, but still, children affect women so much that they don't start earning less than men until they have kids.
Here's the deal with parenting: men believe they are doing a great job of parenting no matter what they're doing, and women always think they could do better. So a woman does better in marriage and career early-on, but when she adds kids to the mix, her self-esteem is challenged (second-guessing her parenting) and her ability to support herself is challenged (she earns less money) and she becomes increasingly dissatisfied.
I'm sure a bunch of women will write to tell me that their kids are the love of their life. But don't bother. Because I'm not saying women don't love their kids, and maybe I am saying that the lack of happiness is precisely because women love their kids so much.
So here are three things to do if you're a woman who wants to hedge against unhappiness in later life.
1. Don't have kids. Daniel Gilbert (who has a son) has great research to show that kids do not make people happier. Kids give great joy but also wreak great havoc. People used to think there is something wrong with women who don't want kids. But really, there is something wrong with people who tell you that their kids make them happier: they are lying. Of course, it might not be intentional. And anyway, we lie to ourselves about a lot of things that we can't change. But stop thinking that everyone should have children. Maybe not.
2. Keep your career. In her book, Necessary Dreams, Anna Fels reports that women struggle to have careers when their children are young. But when the kids are older, the women who kept their careers throughout the early years of raising children are much happier than the women who gave up careers. This research does not, of course, take into account who was happy when they were going on a three-day business trip and leaving a one-year-old at home with the nanny. Also, keep in mind that quitting work to have kids and reentering the workforce later is not that difficult for moms today. So get back into the workforce as soon as you think your kids can handle it; the benefits will ripple throughout your life.
3. If you are divorced, get plastic surgery. I am convinced that a lot of the reason women are happier earlier in life is that women have more control over their destiny when they are better looking. We know that people who are better looking get treated better throughout life, and we know that younger women do better remarrying than older women. So women should get plastic surgery if they get divorced so that they can remarry faster.
I say this about divorced women, but to be honest, I'm not taking the advice. It rings true to me, but it's hard advice to swallow. The incurable optimist in me tells me I'll do fine getting remarried just by being me.
But then, that's the trouble with all research—when it suggests a change you weren't already excited about, you decide that it doesn't apply to you. And I'm no exception.









I agree. Women do either try to be the super mom or think that they can and have a career too. I did until my plan went south and I ended up having two autistic kids and my life changed completely. Now I am separated, have two autistic teens, one over-worked blog about said teens, and no real career…
I'm not complaining but one cannot control their life, or plan it out.
I'm 41 and can't say that I'm miserable, yet!!
Posted by Holly Collins on 11/18/2008 at 11:15am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Even if the advice were true and better looking women get married more easily than average looking women, it doesn't automatically follow that plastic surgery makes you better looking. So often it doesn't.
Posted by Caitlin on 11/18/2008 at 11:28am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Here's the problem with this kind of advice: it's easily given in hindsight. You can say now what you should have done, but you would never have considered 2 of these 3 points 20 years ago. Not have kids? Crazy! Plastic surgery? Only for movie stars! Still, with the added benefit of hindsight, your list is incomplete: add #4 Keep your friends, and #5 Work hard to stay close to your family (and it is hard work sometimes). These are really important on the road to happiness, once you're divorced and the kids have left the nest. And I'm throwing out #1, since for the most part the benefits far outweigh the negatives of having kids and #3, since if you think you can only attract a man by altering your physical appearance, he's not the kind of guy you really want to spend the rest of your life with the second time around. Sorry, not buying it.
Posted by prklypr on 11/18/2008 at 11:30am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Another piece of advice that fits here is to choose a career path that allows you to be in a "fast lane" or a "slower lane" but still in a career.
For example, the Deloitte approach supporting women, taking time off to be with kids, by helping them to maintain their accounting designation, and creating part time options so they can ease back in.
(I don't work for Deloitte, nor am I an accountant, but this strikes me as an intriguing career option for younger people to consider.)
Posted by Wendy on 11/18/2008 at 11:31am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Good post, but I disagree – a bit – w/ the conclusion. The average age women have their first baby in the US is 24.9 yrs. By the age of 41, the worst of the parental self-doubting is behind you. (Not all of it, but the worst of it.) It doesn't make sense to me that kids would make women unhappier as they move into their later teens and early adulthood. When their young is when parents question everything: the skipped vegetables, the tv, the failed spelling test, etc.
But what do I know? I'm a man and think I rock out as a Dad. ;)
Posted by Marcus on 11/18/2008 at 11:31am | permalink | Reply to this comment
As long as you don't try to help your child with spelling/grammar homework. Yikes.
Posted by Jude on 12/08/2008 at 06:52am | permalink | Reply to this comment
My only issue is with the suggestion that getting plastic surgery will sort things out. I can appreciate that sorting out the things that go south as you get older may help to keep you feeling young, but if you have issues with your encroaching age there is no amount of botox that will resolve it and you will wind up looking like a plastic faced freak.
Personally I am 35 and enjoying my increasing wrinkles, they show I have laughed a lot. As has been said elsewhere, you wind up with the face you deserve, so enjoy your life, try to understand yourself and change as necessary. You're going to get old one day, fight it or not.
Posted by Rhona on 11/18/2008 at 11:32am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I have kids, have kept my career moving while raising them, and got divorced and eventually remarried–all without plastic surgery! What I've learned is that while life rarely turns out the way you picture it, happiness doesn't always come from the things you'd expect, either.
The problem, really, lies in the "what ifs." I think women more than men tend to ask "what if?" and dwell regretfully on what they didn't do. So if you never have children, you'll always wonder. If you did have kids but didn't quit your job to stay home with them, part of you will wonder if you should have. But if you DID stay home with them and never really got back into your career, you'll wonder where you would be if you had made a different choice. It goes on and on.
So maybe the important thing for women to figure out is how to let go of the "what ifs." Has anyone out there had success at that? I have, to some extent, but I think it's because things in my life went SO wrong that I was happy for every little piece I could salvage.
Posted by Kristin T. on 11/18/2008 at 11:33am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think kristin's advice is the best I have seen .. ye we woman are hung on to what ifs more than any thing in the world…..
Posted by Renuka on 12/20/2008 at 04:55am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Obviously you knew making a statement like "Kid's don't make people happier" was going to ruffle some feathers, so I'm responding to something that was obviously said to manipulate parent-readers into responding. Anyhow, you've got no basis for making such a blanket statement at all. A link to an article in the Times, with no detail and with no background for peer review, is the same as being completely baseless.
Having relationships with people is a universally healthy and fulfilling part of life. Your relationship with your family, spouse, and children is the closest relationship you can possibly have. I'd say there is nothing that can make you happier, ESPECIALLY "later on".
I'm scratching my head on this one… Telling people to not have families to be happy. Brilliant! Roll in, traffic!
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What I love about my blog comments is that they are so often a demand for more thorough research. The research behind the conclusion that kids don't make people happier is Dan Gilbert's psychology lab at Harvard University. You can find the research here: http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~dtg/gilbert.htm
and you can find the consumer version in his book, Stumbling on Happiness.
- Penelope
Posted by Ed Borden on 11/18/2008 at 11:38am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I agree with this post completely.
I decided not to have children and my life couldn't be more fulfilling right now. In fact, if I did get pregnant right now, I'd consider alternatives to pregnancy because my career is doing really well.
My career actually started taking off the second I decided to stop trying to get pregnant. I needed to fill the void that infertility treatments left behind and I did — I threw myself into becaming a social media expert who now does social media consulting.
I do, however, have stepchildren and they are not the center of my universe. They're a joy to have in my life, but I don't drop everything just for little Virginia's soccer game.
Posted by Erin on 11/18/2008 at 11:45am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I suppose you did the world a favor by not having children. You are far to selfish to be a parent.
Posted by Sylvia on 03/28/2009 at 04:53pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
"But really, there is something wrong with people who tell you that their kids make them happier: they are lying."
Or is it just that the joys are, to them, more than worth the tradeoff of extra work and stress?
Posted by KateNonymous on 11/18/2008 at 12:00pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
A lot of them are lying. A lot of them aren't lying exactly, they think they are telling the truth but they are out of touch with what the truth really is.
Um, some of them are telling the truth though! My kids definitely make me happy. Being divorced & only sharing care may well help with that! But, they do :)
Posted by Alice Bachini-Smith on 11/18/2008 at 12:07pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Ah, so much to comment on.
Statistics can be deceptive, and I think some of the ones you present are. The first example I note is that women earn less after having kids. I would like to know if that survey took into account the choice of women to make less money – to work less intense, less demanding jobs to be able to be a mother to their children. This includes opting to work part time, or just work a standard 40 hour week instead of putting in extra time "to get ahead". These are choices – if they are the reason women earn less, it isn't the fault of the children, or some side-effect that causes women's careers to suck after. It isn't "I was making 50k a year at my job but then after I had kids, I made 40k a year at the same job". The comparison doesn't fly, because rarely they are the same job.
That generalization that men think that they are good parents, while women doubt, is bunk. Men doubt just as much. It is just that men's thinking patterns allow for more effective compartmentalization than women, so they can set aside feelings of parental inadequacy and continue to work hard, while women's more holistic thinking patterns mean they deal with the consequences of that doubt constantly. It affects them more.
Onto the suggestions:
1. Don't have kids? Ha! They may not "make you happier" in a before/after study, or even comparison. But that fails utterly to take into account one factor. If you don't have kids, who is going to love you when you are old? In middle age, when you have tons of friends and you are active in work and community, you can get along and be pretty happy. But when you are old, living alone, and your family is all dead or dying, and you are in a retirement home, you will have nothing. My grandfather reported to me when he moved into a senior's gated community the saddest people in the complex were invariably the ones with no children. They confessed to him they regret not having kids because they are envious of the others who have family come to see them and visit and care about them.
2. I can't speak to – I think it's up to the woman, but I also think that part of women's problem today is that the culture reinforces over and over that the only value a woman has in society is her ability to earn money. That her reproductive capabilities and her innate nurturing tendencies are essentially valueless. In this atmosphere, women are discouraged and devalued if they elect any validation other than the prevailing culture's. This would lead to a drop in happiness. However, this does not have to be. If you can change the culture, then you can change the happiness problem.
3. I hate to say it but I do agree with this point. As much as we all say we shouldn't judge from appearances, men are programmed to be attracted to younger appearing women. If you become divorced, one of the best strategies to increase odds of remarriage is plastic surgery, though I would definitely recommend minimizing and/or only using it correctively, as opposed to enhancing. Overuse just looks disgusting and vain.
Posted by Shane on 11/18/2008 at 12:30pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
"Men are programmed to be attracted to younger appearing women"? Hah. What an excuse. Men who aren't shallow make me happier in life.
Posted by Heather on 12/06/2008 at 01:45pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Totally selfish to have kids so they can take care of you when you're old. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. Not a reason to bring a human being into the world.
Posted by Amy on 12/23/2008 at 11:07am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I agree with each statemtn 100%
Actually – your blog , and your life seems identical to mine
Career Mom, 36 years old, 2 kids, one Austistic (AS), Re-Married, AND finishing my Masters at night…
Posted by Laura on 11/18/2008 at 12:43pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Shane, Yeah, women may have to have plastic surgery (and a boob job too, right) to get a man. But she only has to be intelligent , confident, and independent to get a good man.
Posted by Holly Collins on 11/18/2008 at 12:46pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Ouch, Penelope. I should have consulted you earlier. Too late now, I already have my kids :)
And I disagreed with this whole post, until I read your last paragraph about not taking advice …and then I suddenly agreed with everything you have said :)
Kids are indeed much harder on women.And all that crap we have to deal with – the physical changes in the body, those harmones (any research about women's age/happiness and menopause?? – men don't gp through that right ;) ? ) …it is always exciting to be a woman!
Some advice for women to think about BEFORE they have kids (for ones who have decided to have kids anyways):
1. Make some VERY VERY good friends
2. Get fit. Physically and mentally.
3. Learn to be selfish. Learn your needs.
4. Find a way to make a living working part-time. Set this up before you even get pregnant.
And yes, if you get in trouble later, tell a few people your story (narrate it, do not cry about it ;)). Like Penelope. There is a lot of support out there for people who do not have any. Kids have short memories and do not waste time feeling guilty about a gazillion things.
Posted by Maya on 11/18/2008 at 01:02pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Bravo, Penelope! I get a thrill every time an article is published that talks about the choice NOT to have kids! I am grateful to live in a time when this is a valid choice, and one that I am taking, and so far I am happy with the life I'm creating for myself.
@Shane – I don't think kids are a good contingency plan for your twilight years – perhaps less reliable than your 401K. And banking on them for your happiness speaks more to me of not creating enough happiness earlier in your life so that you have interests, friends and activities that are still paying dividends to you later in life. Happiness is a choice, and there's many ways to get there – kids are not the only route.
Posted by Jenn S. on 11/18/2008 at 01:05pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I totally agree. I love my kids and wouldn't have not had them, but for women who don't particularly want kids but think they should because they might regret it later, I say don't do it. There are no guarantees in life, so the whole thing about wanting kids to keep you company when you grow old doesn't really hold much water.
As for the plastic surgery–good men like fake boobs just as much as average ones do. I'm sorry but give a guy the identical women as far as intellect, confidence and independence but leave one with saggy, I-had-2-kids boobs and give one shiny new boobs and I guarantee that most would take #2. And the richer, more successful the guy, the more important a woman's looks are to him.
Posted by Maggie on 11/18/2008 at 01:12pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
In response to your 3 points of advice…
1.) Don't have kids.
–> I thought this entry was about "hedging against unhappiness in later life" – which is an overall quality-of-life thing and not just in relation to one's career. I am a proponent of "everything in moderation". I think a woman should make both her family/personal life and her career her top priorities. You know, work/life balance and all that. Keeping this in mind, skipping out of popping out some puppies may make having a career easier, but will it make it *important and worthwhile*?
Personally, I take pride in my career, and what I do (software developer) because I hope that it will influence my children in a positive way and encourage them to establish high standards for themselves, educationally and professionally.
I don't think a woman who is looking to be both professionally successful and happy in later life should eliminate something like having kids. The choice to have children should really be unrelated to one's career, and should only be affected by a woman's personal relationship and interest in being a mother. A woman who is capable of being professionally successful is resilient by nature and already possesses the ability to handle hardships and challenges.
From experience both in my life and those of others close to me, as long as a woman takes life day by day, and makes the right decisions for herself, day by day, the cards will fall into place as long as you keep your good wits about you. Nothing will be perfect but if you stay true to yourself instead of worrying about "rules", I think that is the key to happiness later in life.
I also tend to think that the current trend of career-minded women purposely waiting to have children until they're into their 30's, to put their careers first, is a culprit of this unhappiness that you speak of. Sure, sometimes a woman doesn't have a chance to have children until later in life, but when it happens intentionally for the sake of their career, I think this is what leads to regrets later in life. One reason being that if child-raising had to wait for one's career to grow, perhaps child-raising shouldn't have been pursued at all. Such a person may tend to frequently think about how much better their career could be without those kids that they waited to have. Also, I think women are naturally designed to have children at a younger age for a good reason – our bodies and energy levels can handle those crazy devils much more easily in our 20's than in our 30's or 40's.
In conclusion, what I'm really trying to say is that if you: 1.) keep your personal decisions outside of your professional life, and vice versa, 2.) Live day by day, do what's right for yourself day by day, and be honest to yourself day by day, then you will greatly increase your chances of being happy later in life than if you tried to live by one rule or only prioritized one portion of your life.
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2.) Keep your career.
–> This relates to my response to #1. Do what's right for you at the moment and keep a healthy work/life balance. If a woman chooses to quit working upon having children with the intention of re-entering the workforce in a few years, I think what's important is that she keeps herself viable. Read up on your field, stay current. Perhaps start personal projects that relate to your career so that you keep yourself in practice while you're not employed. For example, as a software developer, if I were to stay home with my kids for a few years, I'd consider developing any sort of practical, new-tech products I can, whether it's a tweak to an internet browser or a new application from scratch. Do whatever you can to keep yourself marketable and savvy in your field.
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3.) Get plastic surgery.
–> I don't argue the stats that say that attractive people are treated better. It makes sense. But is plastic surgery worth the "benefits" that it would bring? Would one feel better about his or her self if they got what they wanted because they looked better? Should a woman trust or respect a man that would not have dated her if she hadn't had plastic surgery? Should a woman trust or respect an employer that pays them better because they had plastic surgery? I would imagine that getting treated better because I modified my appearance would degrade and insult me rather than satisfy me and give me a sense of accomplishment.
Posted by apronk on 11/18/2008 at 01:30pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
@Shane re your comment: "I would like to know if that survey took into account the choice of women to make less money – to work less intense, less demanding jobs to be able to be a mother to their children. This includes opting to work part time, or just work a standard 40 hour week instead of putting in extra time "to get ahead". These are choices – if they are the reason women earn less, it isn't the fault of the children, or some side-effect that causes women's careers to suck after."
But the problem is that our society still expects this to be women's responsibility. The same does not happen when men become fathers because they are not expected to make the same choices. Presumably, in most cases both parents made a decision to have children.
Not every country organises life this way. For example, in Denmark and Iceland men are expected to take 3 months' paternity leave. And in Sweden it's 18 months' paid parental leave to be divided between the mother and the father with at least 3 months reserved for the father. As a result, most Nordic countries have higher birth rates than the rest of Europe because it is not considered the mother's burden but a shared responsibility.
Posted by Caitlin on 11/18/2008 at 01:43pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think people should eat in a healthy manner and exercise to optimize what they've already got. Every time I learn that somebody has had plastic surgery, even as I get older, I lose respect for that person. Plastic surgery is gross and people who have it often have that same "look" about them. I would honestly rather be alone than date a man who preferred a plastic version of me.
Posted by JT on 11/18/2008 at 01:48pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Get plastic surgery even if you are married and want to stay that way. Good article.
Posted by LT on 11/18/2008 at 02:24pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Really?
Posted by junger on 11/24/2008 at 07:02pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I know its a small research basis, but as we approach 50 my friends and I seem to happier then our husbands We don't worry near as much about our kids–who cares what they eat..and while we love our teens–they are a lot of work so sending them off to college, seems like a good enough plan..most of us would enjoy a tuck or two…heck, I would spring for a complete redo but until I can swing it financially, the Bloomingdale's cosmetic counter can work wonders. The men in our life's usually cause us the most angst because they are so unhappy–out of work and/or still trying to work out the stupid "who am I question" My girlfriends and I have it figured out–so we are off for mani's, pedi's and lunch–toting our Iphone and not our diaper bags.
This research does not apply to me. . .and I speak that with complete confidence.
Posted by Katybeth on 11/18/2008 at 02:27pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I disagree with your post. That is because I define happiness differently from you. Happiness to me is not directly correlated with how much money I make or how much stuff I have. My happiness centers around my family and things outside of my job (work-life balance). In fact, I pretty much live paycheck to paycheck and I consider myself fairly happy compared to most. I have been around many who have successful careers, monstrous homes, and live outside their means and they are completely miserable, even if they don't have kids.
Posted by Lou on 11/18/2008 at 02:57pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
If it is true that beginning at age 41 women are less happy than men, I would think society's harsher expectations about women's aging would be a part of it. Women grow up with appearance being the primary way they are evaluated. After 40, society is less far less forgiving of aging in women that it is in men.
Personally, I'm just hitting my stride at 41 and plan to age gracefully (without alteration).
Posted by Pamela on 11/18/2008 at 03:06pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I loved the last paragraph -
"But then, that's the trouble with all research—when it suggests a change you weren't already excited about, you decide that it doesn't apply to you. And I'm no exception."
Couple the above with your first sentence -
"New evidence from famed happiness researcher Richard Easterlin shows that women are happier than men in early adulthood, but at age 41, this switches, and men are happier later in life."
and what you have, Penelope, is your search for "new studies" and "new evidence" which may or may not apply to each of us as individuals and can only really be known by ourselves if they do in fact apply as we learn to know ourselves.
Posted by Mark W. on 11/18/2008 at 03:08pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think this article is interesting, whether I agree wholeheartedly or not. But I think it leaves one important thing out, I know today's science allows for women to make the child bearing decision solely, I'm assuming most don't. It's not just the woman's decision to have a child or not. While I understand it may be ultimately her decision, it seems incredibly selfish to not consider the interest of the man in the equation. Does he want to have children or not?
Maybe I think in these terms because of my situation. I have always thought I'd have kids "someday," but have never been overly zealous to have them. However, my husband wanted children very much and I now want to have them for the both of us. I've got a lot of decisions ahead of me, understand the greater child rearing burden is on me, but had serious talks with my husband about how involved (supportive) I needed him to be in order for me to make the decision. I think having a good husband can make a big difference in or negate all of Penelope's suggestions, right down to plastic surgery.
Posted by Dara on 11/18/2008 at 03:12pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Erin,
Wow, I guess you are letting your step kids know who is boss…or the typical evil step mother of the year.
Posted by Phil on 11/18/2008 at 03:40pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This post validates my life choices (not that I needed it) — I have zero interest in getting married and just celebrated the one-year anniversary of my irreversible tubal…baby-free for life.
Posted by Anca on 11/18/2008 at 04:24pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
AND women live longer on average, partly because they stay more engaged with the community and their families.
Kids are for life – not just for when you're 31, or 41, or whatever age you want to draw a line at. There's all sorts of reasons why 41 may be a hard age for many women – but where are the stats on who's happier at 51, 61 and 71?
Posted by Carol on 11/18/2008 at 04:36pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think the whole issue of the kid thing is really interesting. If someone told me they wanted to have kids because they thought that kids would make them happier….we’ll I’d be concerned. But in my mind, that’s different than the urge some people feel to have kids because they want the experience – that makes more sense to me. I haven’t read Gilbert’s book so I’m not sure how he defines or measures “make them happier”. The main thing in my life that makes me happier is putting energy toward being happy – y’know, the touchy-feely-Oprahesque-stuff about being grateful and mindful.
I don’t think everyone should have kids. I don’t think having kids is more noble or selfless (or less, for that matter) than not having kids. I’m all for people doing what they want to do and I’m completely against one grouping of people shoving their values or judgments on another. And, one more thing, I hate the “you don’t have kids so you don’t understand” attitude that some parents have. That just belittles all of us.
All that being said, I’m not particularly happy when I’m cleaning house but I’m usually happier with a clean house than not. Exercise doesn’t make me happy but having exercised does. Even writing. Writing can be agony, but I’m always happy I’ve done it. And I’m not in a place of ecstasy when I’m reading my daughter some silly book for the 18th time, or listening to her weep because I cut her peanut butter sandwich wrong. But when she’s asleep, I’m thrilled that she exists and I value her influence on my life. Is that happpiness? Who knows?
Thanks for the thought provoking post. Thinking about this stuff takes the edge off of 40 hour cube life. (And it keeps me from pondering all the "what ifs"…)
Posted by Kate on 11/18/2008 at 04:43pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Wow! Life is so simple. Don't have children, have a career and you will be happy (or miserable). LOL
Not everyone plays from the same page. Many people are happy to live simply, have children and lots of friends and family. (Didn't you learn this from your farmer?)
Some women (me, included) are not happy being at home and yet want children. We want it all and are exhausted and yet happy in our own way.
Some women don't want children at all and are happy. They find other ways to fulfill themselves whether it is a career or something else.
What is great about the 21st century is that we as woman can choose the life we want to have. We all don't have to be alike. Some people want/need things. Some of us want/need people.
I am 46, a mother of 3 and a I own 2 businesses. I am also a wife. I am happy with who I am. I love my kids. Sometimes, yes, it was a struggle having to work full-time and raise a family but it makes me appreciate what I have now.
Posted by Dianna on 11/18/2008 at 04:48pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I still can't make up my mind if this blog is for real or for fun. The plastic surgery advice is so American that I had to laugh. I mean, is it really so that it is all about the "wrapping" and none about content? I realize how fortunate I am to live in a country where 80% of the men answered in a survey that a "few or more extra pounds" didn't make any difference in their sympathy level for their women. I personally am quite happy to get older and not having to "worry" about appearance any more, there are more important things to look at in life. It is AMERICAN society that is less forgiving for the aging of women and for one purpose only I feel: to avoid that women develop their full feminine potential and power which should develop after the age of 40, but won't if you keep trying to be a teen. For the same reason they keep women increasingly busy with outlooks, career and kids at the same time, trying to match men's performance so they won't have time to take a breath and contact their deeper feminine wisdom about life. This would for example make them laugh at men who expect them to have perfect bodies to look at. And after all, who is going to need the smart Harvard University research results and "Dr. Phil advice" if women would be fully grown up by the age of 20…
If it is true that "children don't make people in your country happier", couldn't that be interpreted as a sign of how sick your society already is? And is there, by any chance, research available on a correlation between "career seeking mothers" and "percentage of autistic children" they give birth to? I find it quite amazing how many people have autistic children in this career world, starting with PT herself, Sarah Palin and a few of the other posters in the comments as well. In that sense, being a bit cynical, I agree with #1 to not have kids if career is the most important thing in your life, it will save a few kids from having to run to therapy later.
Somehow completely upside down to me the whole text and I feel "that the lack of happiness is precisely because…" your society hates women. I am glad you don't take your own advice.
Posted by Juki Schor on 11/18/2008 at 05:06pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Great post.
As a guy, I agree whole heartedly with your 3rd post. I'm approaching 40 and still have tons of hot, young women to choose from. If you even want a shot with most guys my age, you gotta consider some nip/tuck.
Posted by PD on 11/18/2008 at 05:14pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Right on brother, I'm 41 and fab – and I work at it. I hit the gym three times a week. I look 31!
I'm married and I swear, my wedding ring is a chick magnet! I've had more woman approach me and flirt with me since I was married than I ever did – it's real fun. My wife asks me to tone it down but what can I do – get plastic surgery to make me less desirable ??? NOT
Posted by StudMuffin on 11/25/2008 at 10:49pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
So Penelope is giving advice that she won't take for herself? What else would you expect from someone who has a shallow, hyperambitious, and vain twit as Sarah Palin as a mentor? Drat, I was looking forward to seeing pictures of her after surgery self looking like a hyperinflated Britney Spears doll.
Posted by jrandom44 on 11/18/2008 at 05:22pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
"I'm approaching 40 and still have tons of hot, young women to choose from. If you even want a shot with most guys my age, you gotta consider some nip/tuck."
Gotta love an ego…I'm thinking Miata or some other sports car as his mode of transportation. I bet the gals at the strip club love you! Trust me, most guys don't want someone with plastic surgery and they also don't someone obsessed with a career. More to life than working you know.
Posted by Phil on 11/18/2008 at 05:29pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
When I was in college, I had the great fortune of volunteering for Mark Kennedy Shriver as he made his first political run. The good fortune came in meeting his mother, Eunice Shriver. You see, she asked me what I wanted to be when I got done with college, and what I wanted to do with my life. I began to list the many career oriented things I wanted to do at an eager age of 18. She asked, "Do you want children?" I said yes, of course I did. She replied, "Well, then you must remember what my mother, Rose Kennedy, told me when I was your age. You can have it all, my dear, but you can not have it all at once. Life is a journey with many different adventures and each part of it is special. Sometimes you will have to focus on the task at hand." I thought that was great advice, and as I've grown older, now almost half my life ago she told me that, I realize that she was right and I understand what she meant. I think we women try to measure ourselves by the same stick that men use, when our values and our needs are entirely different. I hope I'm saying this as well as I am able to. Motherhood probably does bring some "unhappiness" to a woman's life, if she's thinking of all the opportunity cost while being a mother. Just as careers can bring unhappiness if we think of the opportunity cost at home. It's a balance, and you define your own balance. Hopefully, you choose the right mate who honors you and helps you to be the best you can be in each station of your life. All we can do is take inspired action toward goals that align with our personal truths and values. There is no right answer.
Posted by Dana Boyle on 11/18/2008 at 05:34pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
My friend – a guy and an attorney – got a facelift 10+ years ago and was a star patient. Much more self-confident, happier and as a result he went after things he'd never have tried pre-surgery. Men and women want to stay fit and better-looking longer. I've seen the same positive results occur for women 40+. Just takes moxie, a high pain threshold and a plump bank account.
Posted by Marsha Keeffer on 11/18/2008 at 06:07pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'd suggest door #2.
When I was in my 20s, I had a lot of friends who were in their 40s and 50s, and they were all getting divorced to find themselves because they'd given up their identities (including, yes, the careers they loved) to raise families. Once their children left the nest, their marriages failed, they became terribly unhappy etc.
I took my cue from them. I'm 43 now, with 2 kids (10 & 13) and while the last decade of my life has been extremely challenging to balance, I'm now thoroughly enjoying both motherhood and my working life and have to say I'm happier than I've ever been.
As for #2, have kids, but be thoughtful about when to start a family, with whom, and how you plan to keep working to keep yourself whole. Plan, plan, plan; master the clock. It's going to be all about time management.
I'm not divorced, so I can't speak to point #3.
Posted by Tamara on 11/18/2008 at 07:23pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Great post that truly got my attention from start to finish. I am not 40 yet but was dismayed at the plastic surgery bit but then you said all of the advice you dished out did not apply to you. I read this article as your way of saying it's not easy being a middle-aged woman with kids, no or little career, and fading looks. Life is hard if you live according to what people deem is the right path to happiness. Sure, we can't live in a bubble and do whatever we want, but we should make some personal choices, stick with them, and be happy about them.
Maybe exercise and a good diet with little or no alcohol could replace plastic surgery? LOL.
Posted by Yu Ming Lui on 11/18/2008 at 07:24pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I don't think #3 should be designated as advice for divorced women. I mean, even if you're married your husband still chooses you every day and you choose him.
As for me, I would never consider plastic surgery. There's a chance you could DIE on the operating table. How could your vanity be more important than your life? And besides, I think I get more beautiful with each passing year. I have no way to explain it but I feel more beautiful now than I did when I was 25.
Posted by melanie gao on 11/18/2008 at 07:56pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I have a child and want more children, but I also completely agree with this post. It doesn't state not to have children completely, but not to fall into the trap of thinking you need to have children to be happy. I see so many women that try to live through their children. They ned to live their life and know who they are. Only have children if you really have the desire to share your life with a child. I also kept my high powered career. I went back to work when my daughter was three months old. I think she learned so much from being in an environment with other children and I got to experience my own life separate from my existence as a mom.
Posted by Heather on 11/18/2008 at 09:02pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Sorry – Plastic surgery is not just for divorced women. It is becoming a viable option for men and women who plan to stay in the workforce longer and want their appearance to support their energy level in being a success in the workplace.
Posted by Jessica Bond on 11/18/2008 at 10:34pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
The point of having kids is not to be "happy," but to participate in the stream of humanity– your ancestors and your descendents and YOU are all part of a greater whole, where your individual little life matters both much less and much more.
It raises the stakes of everything, and rising stakes don't necessarily make people "happy." Are multimillionaires happier than mid-level managers, for instance?
The raised stakes create both greater stress and greater potential reward, but the drive to do it in the first place has little to do with "happiness."
Anyway, I'm a 27 year old woman with three kids who did give up her career, but I was young enough at the time to feel it was not such a tremendous sacrifice.
The "What IF" factor IS a ridiculous one for women!
By now, I would be making at least as much money as my husband if I'd stayed at work and not had children… what-if?
I might be making at least two-thirds of that if I'd stayed at work AND had a child. What-if?
But that would have made me a nervous wreck.
Either way, my choice was to throw myself into the traditional housewife role, and it's up to me to find meaning and happiness here.
And I'm so glad to see my children launching into the future, the continuation of myself and my husband and our shared heritage… and in that way, feeling myself as a part of my own parents and grandparents. Mystical, really, and hard to explain!
But am I happier than I was when I was childless and free? It seems almost irrelevant to put it like that.
Posted by harbinger on 11/18/2008 at 11:28pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
But yeah, when people encourage you to "Have Kids! The water's FINE!" we already know we're telling a funny kind of lie– for your own good, and for the good of humanity as a whole.
And it's a compliment, too. It's like saying, "Have kids! Your contribution to the gene pool would be fantastic!"
Subtext: "Maybe we'll even have the same grandkids!"
It's like an invitation to the evolutionary network. Only party on this earth that matters in the long run, right?
Posted by harbinger on 11/18/2008 at 11:36pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
and so the selfish breed themselves out of the population :)
Posted by ru on 11/19/2008 at 12:28am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, I'm curious to know if the study you site says that children don't make people happier, which is how you've expressed it, or if it says that children actually make people less happy, which is how you've interpreted it. There's a big difference.
Posted by Caitlin on 11/19/2008 at 04:37am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Interesting blog and one I think women should read. That said, in our family, I ended up the happy one. My husband never mastered the skill. Children were always a stress to him because with kids there is always "something," and he can't be happy if there's a problem looming. I learned early on, if you wait for problem free, you'll never be happy.
Posted by Cinthia on 11/19/2008 at 08:06am | permalink | Reply to this comment
That's a great point. Having kids may not make you happier but neither will being having a career or being married.
They both have something to do with being taken care of or having a goal. The less raising children is valued by our society the less satisfaction we will get from it if we rely on others for self worth.
I know my Mother-in-law is happy now. Every time I go home with my husband she is beams with pride over her children.
She stopped working till her kids were in middle school and returned to work. She is from the baby boomer generation and children were still seen as an asset and not a pollutant.
Posted by CareerCrisis on 12/08/2008 at 06:51pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
If everybody followed your advice in point #1, the human race would be extinct in one hundred years.
Posted by Andy on 11/19/2008 at 08:30am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Ms. Trunk,
When I began reading your blog about 1 year ago, I was very inspired by your work. I was seeking professional career advice and here you were, upbeat, peppy, and right on point. So much so that I went out and purchased your book. I believed in what you were saying as it seemed, well..so right.
However, over the past few months I've watched your blog degrade from that high quality, vibrant and upbeat resource for career/life advice to your personal rant about how dissatisfied and unhappy you are with your life. It's disappointing to me because I believe you to be a great professional that should be able to hold back. I do realize that we are all human and have a need to express out emotions. However, I did not realize you'd do so in this blog. I guess looking at it, it's my personal failure as I expected something from this blog when I really shouldn't have.
If you consciously made the decision to migrate your blog away from that tried and true advice, to your personal diary then it was truly my mistake. It just seems that you used to be so happy and upbeat. But lately you seem to be getting down on yourself and life.
Before your next post, stop for a moment and look at that picture at the top of your blog. Is that the same woman? If it is, then sit yourself straight up, grab your cup of tea, coffee, what-have-you and give us a great post on your professional career opinions. If its not the same woman, let me know so I can change my expectations and not be disappointed when I read your blog.
Please understand I mean no disrespect. I offer this only as an outside piece of criticism from a an avid fan and subscriber to your blog. I'm in your corner on this one, even if it doesn't sound like it.
Good luck and god bless in all that you do.
Posted by JMB on 11/19/2008 at 08:45am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Another thought-provoking article. Thank you for making the point that not everyone needs to have kids to be happy. I am 38 and have chosen to remain childless; although, I am happily married. Rather than having children of my own, I have chosen to help the disadvantaged children in my community with my time and monetary donations. When you are childless, you have more time and finances to help others in need. From what I have experienced, there is not enough people taking the time to help the less fortunate. Giving to others is what makes me happy!
Posted by Mary on 11/19/2008 at 09:18am | permalink | Reply to this comment
>>>Rose Kennedy, told me when I was your age. You can have it all, my dear, but you can not have it all at once. Life is a journey with many different adventures and each part of it is special. Sometimes you will have to focus on the task at hand.<<<
Dana, this statement is magnificent. I was meaning to comment something on this order but yours said it much better than I ever could. Mrs. Kennedy's advice is so true.
I'm approaching 50 and am very happy. In fact, I think the decade of my 40's has been my happiest yet – although my life as a whole has been quite happy. I can attribute this to several factors:
First: I realized early on that I can't do everything at once, that to try to do so, leads to a half-ass job at each of them. So, when I had my kids, I raised my kids. When my kids were older, I worked minimally. And when they were grown, I began my full-fledged career.
Yes, I'm almost 50 and career-wise it appears I'm a late bloomer. But, hey, I'm thinking I have at least 20 years ahead of me to fully develop whatever I want it to be. What's great is, I know who I am. I'm confident with who I am. I have a world of life experience. And I have no distractions. In reality, I'm way ahead of the game compared to my 20-30 yr. old peers.
By taking life adventures one at a time, you get to enjoy each of them so much more. Each one is so exciting in its own way. Why jumble them all together and miss out on parts of it?
Secondly, I'm an optimist and happy person. This may come by nature, but, yes, sometimes I also have to work at it. Happiness is a state of mind. You can focus on positives and decide you're happy, or you can dwell on negatives and decide you're unhappy. One of the greatest forms of happiness comes from taking the focus off yourself and giving it to others.
And finally, in response to "I'm approaching 40 and still have tons of hot, young women to choose from"….leave this dude to the 20-yr.-olds. I've had a REAL man for 30 years. And I'm hot without the nip and tuck because I had time throughout the years to take care of myself.
Posted by rennie on 11/19/2008 at 09:46am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I have no problem with plastic surgery, (and wouldn't be opposed to getting it in ten years if I weren't terribly afraid of pain). However, I think a better thing to have put there would be #3 Exercise. Regular workouts help people keep their shape, which in turn makes them younger looking and more likely to attract a mate. Also, exercise increases endorphins.
Posted by Celeste on 11/19/2008 at 11:00am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Yah Baby – endorphins – that's the ticket!
Posted by StudMuffin on 11/25/2008 at 10:57pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Rennie, thank you. Can I be like you?
Posted by mamaworker on 11/19/2008 at 11:46am | permalink | Reply to this comment
A lot of insulated people/perspectives. Having children may well lead to being more selfish, especially if they are primarily for security in old age. Life is to be lived, living it well is what makes you happy. Children are to be loved and let go, to live their own lives. Otherwise, it is narcissism. It took me a long time to discover how to live.
We are being forced to change how we live on this planet and forced to change our theories of government and economics, too many of us thought that because we’re Americans, etc., we’re above all that. This shift wasn’t generated solely by the poor and miserable.
I thought of myself as a young professional and I traveled the world. Engaging in a little casual sex? Well, why not? A painful way to become educated. I learned more than I ever did in college. There was a reason for us to have gone through the social upheaval of the sixties and seventies, it was not all done then.
After that first child I got a vasectomy because I realized I was not prepared to be a father and/or a professional, and after my third divorce, apparently not a husband. That the failings were not all mine would have to be obvious. We all have our own circumstances under which we grew up and they go with us throughout our lives, and so we are (continually)forced to make choices. Some people choose to believe life is linear even though there are no straight lines in space.
What I have learned now that I am alone and into my later years, is that I will be all right with how my years continue to unfold and with whatever happens.
Posted by David on 11/19/2008 at 12:25pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
get plastic surgery? GET PLASTIC SURGERY???
you call THAT advice?
I am appalled and disheartened that of all the "advice" you offer NONE of it deals with improving the inside as opposed to SHALLOW aesthetics. If a man is only willing to marry you because you are physically beautiful then the marriage won't last for very long.
Aging gracefully with a good heart and passion for the world community should mean more than a pretty face
Please refrain from offering any further advice to women. You are not suited for the task
Posted by Jeanette Jessup on 11/19/2008 at 02:36pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I am a married, 47-year-old woman without kids and with a career. I wouldn't say I'm ecstatic, but I'm content because of my decisions. Therefore, I wholeheartedly agree wtih the author of this article.
Wendy Aron, author of Hide & Seek: How I Laughed at Depression, Conquered My Fears and Found Happiness
http://www.wendyaron.com
Posted by Wendy Aron on 11/19/2008 at 02:50pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
If you don't have kids, who is going to love you when you are old?
Having kids won't guarantee that you're going to be loved when you are old. My father was abusive to my mother and was cruel to me and to my sister. I sure won't be visiting him in a nursing home. Heck, he doesn't even have my address! Just because you have children does not guarantee that they will love you in old age.
Plus, I think that comment is a little insensitive to those parents who had a child that died at a young age, and either could not have any more or chose not to have any more because it was too painful.
Posted by earlgreyrooibos on 11/19/2008 at 03:03pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
3. If you are divorced, get plastic surgery.
I think what bugs me about this one is the class bias on display here. So middle- and lower-class women can't be happy? Say a woman doesn't have kids and keeps her career (or has kids and manages to keep her career) – that doesn't mean she can necessarily afford plastic surgery. There are some women who will never be able to afford these procedures. So they lose out on that opportunity to be happy? Something about that idea just doesn't make sense to me.
But yeah, hooray for not having kids! If people want to do that, fine, but it's not for me!
Posted by earlgreyrooibos on 11/19/2008 at 03:10pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
There was no intent for children and my daughter was born around my 31st birthday. I'm not a conventional mother so 'wreak havoc' didn't apply.
Being a mother has been one of my greatest life experiences I'll never regret. Regretting children over a career calls for some soul searching. It's just a career who cares.
#3 Women should do it for themselves if it makes them happy. Not for any man or required because of age. Penelope your optimism is accurate. Keep being wonderful Penelope!
I don't drink or smoke, I'm active and eat right. Men are confused when I tell them I'm not as young as they think.
Exercise is for you emotionally and a healthy body is a side effect. Use it or lose it is a true statement.
Nip/tuck guy what a horrible thing to say! Debatable too.
Posted by Jordan on 11/19/2008 at 03:43pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
@Mary:Thank you for the compliment. I'm glad that I was listening on that day. I'm sure Mrs. Shriver had no idea she would have a profound influence in the ten minutes I spent with her. Your comment about the depth of enjoyment of each stage of your life due to taking one thing at a time and living it to its fullest is refreshing. We all have to define success and happiness for ourselves. Gratitude is an important part of happiness, and you express it delightfully.
Posted by Dana Boyle on 11/19/2008 at 04:27pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I agree with Kate above. Real people don't reduce all life experiences to a happy / unhappy score. We have children for all kinds of reasons: because we have an emotional need that transcends individual feelings, for instance.
Posted by Josh on 11/19/2008 at 04:37pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hey, I'm young and UNhappy. One day you're young and carefree the next everyone around you is getting married and having kids. Then people start telling you that egg quality starts decreasing around the age of 30. And you realize that you always expected you'd get married and have kids before you turn 30 but now you're 24 and there's none of that in the immediate future. So you start freaking out that you have 6 years to make these major changes in your life and oh by the way where the hell are you going to get the money for a kid?
/end rant
Posted by Rachel - I Hate HR on 11/19/2008 at 06:30pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
@Rachel
Are we the same person?
Posted by The Office Newb on 11/19/2008 at 07:53pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think it's essential also to start saving & investing when you're young, so that you have your own money / nest egg / portfolio / security when you're older. Nothing reinforces happiness and self esteem like being independent and not having to rely on someone else for the "what if's" and for comfort & security in retirement!
Posted by MFK (Open-Source Career) on 11/19/2008 at 10:23pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
While I'm not a woman, it strikes me that all 3 of these suggestions qualify as taking the easy way out and are likely to provide short-term, surface-level benefits at best. A far better approach would be to take the time to confront the universal challenges we all face in having regular happiness – always wanting more, fear of the unknown, guilt, regret, etc. While it's a lifelong journey, I believe (and there is now plenty of science behind this from Prof. Richard Davidson and other brain researchers) that learning the practice of mindfulness and being present will yield far deeper and lasting happiness than a new pair of boobs. I mean can anyone possibly take that seriously as a suggestion for lasting happiness? This is not edgy advice.
I'm obviously a big fan, but stuff like this is just catering to the lowest common denominator. Aim higher. People need to be told over and over that you get out of life what you put into it. Might not make for great blog posts, but truth is truth.
Posted by Brian Johnson on 11/20/2008 at 12:43am | permalink | Reply to this comment
4. Don't get married.
Posted by Justine on 11/20/2008 at 03:08am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Great post! I'm 40 and feel like the unhappiness thing was the last few years of my life and I'm slowly turning it around (3 years after my first and possibly only kid). As my husband always says…"It's best to be the Dad – you should try that next time – it's much easier." The fact that he finally gets it is certainly helping the happiness thing to make a comeback – although not the salary I used to earn!
Posted by Leanne on 11/20/2008 at 06:48am | permalink | Reply to this comment
If happiness equals hedonistic constant self-pleasure, as is implied here, then all of our mothers screwed up.
Posted by Dan on 11/20/2008 at 07:09am | permalink | Reply to this comment
wow – you have stirred up a hornet nest here … I did not read this advice as your position on things ….
me, well I was a CEO pre two babes, have been one since and last month chucked it in to stay home and freelance now and then – I'm 41yrs.
The whole "to children or not to children thing bringing happiness or detracting happiness' makes me smile.
I make my own happiness happen and don't rely or hand away the responisbility to my lads.
To me not having children (in whatever form – yours, someone elses ) cuts you off from one of life's great adventures … and I do love a great adventure.
They are my little in house projects :)
cheers le
Posted by le on 11/20/2008 at 07:57am | permalink | Reply to this comment
To be happy be thankful for what you have and lessen your expectations for more. Choose happiness. There was a homeless man in Boston who had an obituary befitting royality as everyone knew him and he was always happy even though he lived on the street and begged for money. He chose to be happy. Your advice to women lessened my happiness. It's your opinion so it is not wrong, but I am choosing to be happy by thinking your gloom will fade and your future will find new radiant sunshine that transforms you to that place where happiness surrounds you all the time and keeps you warm, safe and fulfilled.
Posted by Don B. on 11/20/2008 at 08:32am | permalink | Reply to this comment
To PD:
Wow. You sound like a real catch.
Posted by hazel on 11/20/2008 at 08:53am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Wow! Now I know why you don't write for Yahoo! Finance anymore. How superficial are you? Have you ever stopped and wondered if the reason women are so unhappy is because of other women like you?
Posted by Jeremy F. on 11/20/2008 at 12:25pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Could you GET any more shallow?!
Don't have kids. Right. Ignoring the fact that if every woman followed this advice, the human race would disappear in less than 100 years, having kids is a wonderful, scary, crazy adventure. And in the end, if you are paying attention and doing it right, you learn more about yourself and you grow emotionally and psychologically because of what your children will reveal to you about yourself and about interpersonal relationships.
Keep your career. Well, duh. But why not put your career on a slightly slower track so that you can enjoy your kids, or just do what you want to do? Balancing work and life is not just for people with kids. People who choose not to have kids need time to focus on things besides work, too.
Have plastic surgery if you are divorced. Oh. My. Gosh. I can't BELIEVE you even put this in. First off, if someone's not going to want me because I don't look like Barbie, to heck with them! I don't need the angst of "will you still love me if I'm not pretty." No one does. Second, not everyone can afford plastic surgery, so you're basically saying that poor people or middle-income people are doomed to life as ugly, unwanted people. And why only if you are divorced? Married people get wrinkly and saggy and bulgy, too. I'm not saying people shouldn't do all they can to maintain health, fitness, and their best possible appearance. But to recommend surgery as a matter of course is outrageous.
You really need to re-evaluate where you put your priorities. Because they seem seriously skewed to me.
Posted by Editormum on 11/20/2008 at 01:28pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
"Don't have kids … Ignoring the fact that if every woman followed this advice, the human race would disappear in less than 100 years …"
The planet wouldn't care. There might even still be a green spot left on it after the last human keeled over.
Posted by Pirate Jo on 11/20/2008 at 04:10pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I believe Penelope has the right idea about her suggestion of plastic surgery for those who have nothing else going for themselves. Throughout our lives, it is a competition. For women it is much about appearance. For men, financial status. Women with better looks have a better chance in attracting men and men with more money have a better chance in attracting women. It is easier/quicker to become "more attractive" thru plastic surgery than to become more rich, so for a modest investment to improve ones appearance, you may just find yourself moving up the ladder in the competition for the rich(er) spouse. This may all seem very shallow, but for a large part of our population, that is just the way it is. If you believe it is important to be the "winner" in the dating/spouse hunting game, then many women will do whatever is necessary to gain an edge. Marriage for some women appears to be not for love and affection for the man, but for security and status. That's not to say all women are this way, but it does appear to be a strong driving force for many.
Posted by gt on 11/20/2008 at 04:17pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
A co-worker sent me this article because of the comment "kid's don't make you happier". She knows that I am purposely and happily child-free and I am always interested in articles like this.
There are many reasons that people decide not to have children, and yes, one of those is career. Others want to invest their time with their partner, or decide that they like their lifestyle how it is, and some, believe it or not, simply do not like children. Are they happier? Some are and some aren't – I think it all comes down to actually doing what YOU want in life, not what you think you should be doing.
Obviously, from reading the comments to your blog, most of the people out there have no idea what pressure society puts on everyone to have children. It's considered abnormal not to want children. We are considered selfish or ambitious. The fact is, there are a lot of people, men and women, who have never wanted children. They didn't play with dolls when they were younger, they don't dream of little rugrats running through the house. AND, most important, they don't consider themselves selfish because of the fact that they don't want the responsibility of children in their lives.
And for the one argument in the comment above about having kids so you aren't lonely when you are old… how ridiculous. What a reason to have children. What a WRONG reason to have children.
My goal is to continue to educate, and maybe someday the option of being child-free will be taught in schools along side abstinence, birth-control, adoption, abortion and sexual freedom.
Posted by Annie on 11/21/2008 at 10:35am | permalink | Reply to this comment
The biggest barrier to happiness is expectations. Those who expect everything to be sunshine and roses in marriage, career or parenting are going to be disappointed. There are definitely large tangible down sides to having children not the least of which is money, careers and your social life. The upsides tend to be more of the intangibles. A sense of leaving a legacy, the close family bonds, the people to share happy/sad events with, and yes the possibility that someone will still be around to care about you when you are 95 and in a retirement home.
The sad thing about this topic is that most of your readers probably fall under the category of people who made a conscious choice to have children or not i.e. the higher classes. The lower classes with less education and access to birth control are more likely to have unplanned children. Just a fact of our society.
I have nothing against plastic surgery, especially the more "lifting" rather than augmenting types of surgeries, but I think its important to note that lots of other things besides surgery can be done to improve your attractiveness to the opposite sex later in life. Working out, eating healthy, the quality of clothes you wear etc.
@Juki Schor – I have heard that autism occurs more frequently in unions where both partners have high analytical/math type skills. Since people who develop those skills are often rewarded monetarily in American society, it makes sense that the women of these relationships can be just as driven as men to have a career.
@Dana Boyle – Very fitting anecdote to display here! I almost want to print it out and put it in a place where I can read it every day!
@Jeanette Jessup – I think Penelope has a point here, the surgery (exercise, diet etc) are to help you attract a man. The steps that lead to marriage usually involve more than physical attraction, but its kind of hard to marry a man you never went out on a date with.
Posted by Danielle on 11/21/2008 at 03:02pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
@ Danielle – "its kind of hard to marry a man you never went out on a date with."
That's probably one of the most realistic statements in this thread. Men aren't the pigs that many may believe, but the reality is he will most likely do his initial choosing with his eyes and then finds out/decides if it's worth continuing. Are women really much different intially at how they are first attracted to a man? How many strangers do you walk up to who are "unattractive" with the thought of dating them? Women are also the choosers, not just the men. Certainly for either gender, the more attractive you are (surgically enhanced or not) the greater the advantage, at least initially, you most likely will have over your "competition". And in competition, if you don't get a chance to come up to bat, you will not have a chance to win.
Someone else said they would not want to have someone who would be so shallow to choose looks over personality. Well, "looks" is what is seen first. Your personality isn't on display and won't get you perhaps your only chance to meet someone. I don't believe it is shallow to initially choose the "more attractive" person. It only becomes shallow if the chooser stays with that person despite there being nothing else but the attractiveness. There are plenty of people who will "fix" themselves up to move up the line to get a better chance at that first look. Frankly, if one doesn't care to keep themselves looking nice, surgically or not, they may find themselves being pushed to the back of the line.
Posted by gt on 11/21/2008 at 06:00pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
NOT having a child was the best decision I ever made, and I do NOT regret it!!! As for that bingo "
who will love me/take care of me when I'm old?" GET REAL. I WILL LOVE myself. If, God forbid, I am ever at a point where I can't take care of myself, then I will hire outside help. I'll be happy and blessed if I make it to 65, 75, 85, 95 and 105.
The bottom line is, life is too short for B.S., and whatever you, as a person, think will make you happy and satisfied in this life, JUST DO IT.
Posted by HappyToBeChildfree on 11/22/2008 at 09:26am | permalink | Reply to this comment
If men were only attracted to youth, there wouldn't be so many younger men dating older women. I don't believe money makes a man sexy and I never found older men attractive. Some older men will date women their own age and some won't. Who cares if the erectile dysfunction demographic won't date you if a younger man will.
Posted by sircat on 11/22/2008 at 11:42am | permalink | Reply to this comment
no offense, but this blog entry is mediocre at best. have plastic surgery if you're divorced? why the hell are you giving such crappy advice?
Posted by jjj on 11/23/2008 at 09:38pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
How about volunteer work and giving money to charity? Actually giving to people who need help has been shown to make people (women as well as men) happier.
Posted by Ssss on 11/23/2008 at 11:43pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
4): Live below your means. Through time this adds up to nest eggs, the ability to pursue dreams, lifestyle options, and peace of mind.
Posted by finance girl on 11/24/2008 at 11:56am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm no scientist, but shouldn't a study comparing gender differences include data related to biology? As in hormone levels. It seems pretty obvious to me that the stages of happiness in both genders are related to increases in estrogen production. But, like I said, I'm no expert.
Posted by Janee on 11/25/2008 at 05:07pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
There is something decidedly unattractive in this post. Like a little bit of mold on a block of otherwise-good cheddar cheese.
Having kids isn't about being happy. But if having kids makes you unhappy… what are you supposed to do about it?
Happiness, in my opinion, is vastly overrated, especially by the ego-consumed young professional set.
Posted by Sassy on 11/25/2008 at 05:33pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Having kids isn't about being happy. But if having kids makes you unhappy… what are you supposed to do about it?
Not have them.
Of course, if you've already done it and you regret it, you're stuck. And I genuinely do feel sorry for an entire family if their are unwanted or regretted children. I feel sorry for the parents AND the kids, because I don't think it's fair for children to grow up in a home where the parents are unhappy with the decision they made to have kids.
I've always been fond of this cliché: "I'd rather regret not having children than regret having them."
Posted by earlgreyrooibos on 11/25/2008 at 05:36pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I say this as a parent of a 7 year old.
Most people have children only because they had sex while drunk.
It's an expensive and tiring mistake. Parenthood has its occasional good moments (e.g., when you send your child off to her first slumber party) that are extremely temporary.
If you really want to become irrated by your spouse, have a child with him/her.
We're way past the time for having children to be optional. We have way too much garbage already.
Or better yet, don't get married.
Posted by Terris Linenbach on 11/25/2008 at 10:40pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Well this post messed with my head a little! I spent a week thinking about it and can finally comment.
I am 25, married four years, and had finally decided to start trying to have children. Of course, in the back of my mind I have been wondering if it will be at the expense of my career and my body (both of which, frankly, I love).
After reading this article it was back to the birth control in an attempt to save my life from the horror that it would become if I had children! I realized I had to think about this a little bit more! What if I can't keep up with being a good mom? What if I lose my career because I can't do both? What if I get old and ugly and droopy and no man will want me?
Oh wait, I have a man that wants me.
My lesson learned from all of your comments? Don't get divorced. A lot of you commented on the struggles of doing the family thing and the career thing all on your own, while you're man-hunting no less! It's not meant to be a job for one person! Sure, I can't control how he will feel 10, 15 years from now, but as long as I don't abuse him for the sake of my children or my career I think he will stick around and enjoy all life's challenges with me. Maybe a little nip/tuck later in life will help keep his interest. Small price to pay. Gotta have faith right?
I told my husband how much I appreciate him today and how excited I am about starting a family. Ah, to be young, in love, and blissfully ignorant.
Don't spoil my dreams folks.
Posted by MDH on 11/26/2008 at 10:31am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Children are often the result of an "oops."
Societal pressure to have children/get married is tremendous, particularly in the south.
Children are expensive and tiring.
I have never received such unconditional love from one human being as from my child, which for purely selfish reasons, is rewarding.
I like molding my child and introducing him to new experiences, another selfish reason.
Spouses can be a life-saver or a life-wrecker after kids enter the picture, depending on their willingness to help out.
You do not have to give up your career after becoming a parent, but your kid will have to suffer some intermittent periods of being ignored.
Women who keep their career going strong, particularly as a telecommute employee or a home-based business, do seem more satisfied.
I am making more money than ever before, and from home.
I started out in newspaper journalism, so that's not hard.
I really miss my newspaper career, but am relieved to be out of what could very well be a dying industry.
My child ruined my crime and courts reporting career, but spurred me to learn new skills and enter a new industry (marketing copywriting).
I really do feel like I have it all, but my house is a wreck and I have to live with that. Hub helps out some.
I am very, intensely jealous of my childless friends who can breeze off and do whatever they want at any time with their boyfriend/spouse.
I want to do dates more with my husband but childcare is expensive.
Posted by Hayli Morrison on 11/26/2008 at 11:42am | permalink | Reply to this comment
On top of all that cathartic ranting, let me add that I plan to have my second child soon. I am a bit afraid of how my blossoming writing career might suffer as a result.
I also once had a divorced colleague who was very proud of her killer boob job, so plastic surgery can turn out alright. Whatever turns your crank.
Posted by Hayli Morrison on 11/26/2008 at 11:45am | permalink | Reply to this comment
One more thing – sorry, people. As someone who almost wound up divorced this summer after three years, I can honestly recommend The Five Love Languages to MDH. That book will absolutely revolutionize your marriage.
Posted by HM on 11/26/2008 at 11:48am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm glad to hear you're not taking the plastic surgery advice. I expressed my opinion about plastic surgery in your 4/8/08 post. However I do my best to keep an open mind and read about the latest research and advances whether the topic is plastic surgery or something else. I just read an article about a team of computer scientists that have developed a computer software model that goes beyond Photoshop. The link to the article is http://africa.reuters.com/odd/news/usnTRE4AO4Y9.html
Posted by Mark W. on 11/26/2008 at 01:17pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Decided to copy-paste the list of bonuses of not having kids.
Written by a childfree person, list of benefits:
A marriage fully centered around each other and unstrained and undistracted by the stresses of childrearing;
A full night's sleep every single night;
No bags under the eyes;
The freedom to come and go at will;
Nice long naps on the weekend;
Being independent, self-determined and autonomous;
Living a relaxed and unharried life;
Maintaining my personal identity fully;
The time, ability and energy to sustain meaningful and substantial intimate relationships;
Having a home that is a serene and peaceful retreat;
Having far fewer wrinkles than my child-encumbered peers;
Not having to be an example;
Being able to eat cookies for breakfast out in the open;
Every night is "date night" if we want it to be;
Not having to be a cheuffer;
Not having to sock away thousands of dollars for kids' college education;
Being able to set my own agenda;
Having the personal privacy I desire;
Not having to yell, fight, scream, correct, punish, scold anyone;
Having a home that is completely free of kindercrap and is decorated as I wish;
Being able to do yoga or have quiet contemplation when I choose;
Being able to give our cats the full and undivided love & attention they deserve;
Being able to invest in a comfortable retirement;
Being a genuinely enthusiastic and engaged aunt (because I am not jaded from having kids);
The ability, energy and time to be a devoted friend;
Having an attention span (most people lose this upon becoming parents);
The time and energy to take care of my health and appearance;
The ability to be spontaneous;
The time and ability to be involved in the community, volunteer work;
Taking a "down day" whenever I need it;
Using my vacation time for fun vacations (instead of for caring for sick kids);
Cooking when I feel like it and cooking sophisticated/gourmet dinners when the mood strikes;
Driving whatever type of car I prefer to drive;
Watching whatever I want on the t.v. with no worries about who is exposed;
Visiting whatever web sites I want with no worries about who is looking over my shoulder;
Dropping the F-bomb at home (or other unsavory words/statements) at will whenever I need the release;
Having to do only 2 loads of laundry per week;
Monthly expenses that are about half of what people with kids have;
Travelling wherever I want (not limited to Disney World or other kid-friendly places);
Travelling whenever I want (not limited to working around kids' school schedules);
Pursuing a new hobby – taking classes, etc…whenever the mood strikes;
The ability to pursue higher education if desired without guilt or limitations;
The ability to be fully invested in my career and forward mobility and being a dependable employee;
The ability to live in any neighborhood/area we want with no concern about schools, etc.
Posted by hardworking_single_mom on 11/26/2008 at 03:35pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Love your blog! Just happened to run across it on google when i was looking for something peripherally related. Thanks for being honest. It's refreshing…and rare
M
Posted by Mehnaz on 11/26/2008 at 05:23pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Good post and thanks for posting my list of things I am thankful for! Cool to see it here.
It seems a lot of comments here are focused on the question of whether kids make a person happier. Those interested in reading more about the research Penelope referenced (as well as lots of other research) may be interested in reading my masters thesis which delved into this area fairly substantially. You can read about all the research here:
http://yestochildfreedom.blogspot.com/
If you don't want to read the whole thesis (which I couldn't blame you for – it's pretty long), scroll down to the section entitled "The Truth About Childfreedom" and then read the section entitled "Happiness and Well-Being". That's where I go into the research about children/happiness.
Happy Thanksgiving!
Posted by Childfreeee on 11/27/2008 at 04:58am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think it's interesting you did not point out that Daniel Gilbert's study showed that the happiest people (between couples with no kids, middle aged parents, or couples whose children had left the nest), were those on either end of the study (couples with no kids, AND those whose last child had left the home).
He also beats this horse dead into the ground: that our happiness is based on our frame of reference, and this changes each day as we learn, grow, and experience life. So basically we cannot well predict how happy we will be without children, marriage, or plastic surgery ten years from now because we do not know what our frame of reference will be then.
Interesting that you stated, "there is something wrong with people who tell you that their kids make them happier: they are lying," AFTER having read Gilbert's book. You sound like the people in Gilbert's study who did not believe conjoined twins could be happy. Their assumption was that obviously the twins didn't know any better so their happiness wasn't real.
Do I, as a mom, simply no know any better? Am I deluding myself? I think it is a luxury to live my life (the life of a mom). Perhaps I am deluded, but like the conjoined twins, I'll take my life and circumstances over that of someone else.
Posted by Sarah on 11/29/2008 at 08:41am | permalink | Reply to this comment
It seems to me that your advice not to have kids in order to be happier is extremely naive, hedonistic, and dumb. First, Dan Gilbert's Time article does not quite say what you are asserting it says. I have met scores of couples and widowed women who are past child-bearing age, who chose to be "happier," and who now deeply regret their decision. I have rarely (if ever), met a childless couple in those circumstances who say honestly that they are happy with their decision in hindsight. Happiness is an extremely relative concept, and you seem to be defining it solely in materialistic and hedonistic terms. Life seems to be a bit more subtle, complex, and interesting than all that. I suppose it's understandable since you are in business, and saying dopey things inevitably drives people to your blog and your website, translating into more hits and more money, regardless of the merit of what you say.
Posted by Robert on 11/29/2008 at 08:59am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Ok, so I'm real late to get to this one.
I agree wholeheartedly: if you know deep inside that you are a self-centered ass, please do yourself, your "kid", and the rest of society a favor — get sterilized. Actually, don't get married either.
Self-centered people have no business sharing a life with anyone else besides someone as selfish as they are.
Life really isn't about money or career. Even if you were at the very top of a Fortune 100 corporation, no one gives a damn after you quit and your work is easily forgotten. I can show you miserable poor people and miserable wealthy people. Yes, they exist.
Penny, don't you have a kid? I don't remember that far back from Yahoo!. If you do, please please ignore your silly advice and choose to love your kid today and henceforth.
One more note: no matter how hot you are, eventually no one likes a selfish ass. If you want a nice man in your life, how about being a little different and getting over yourself?
Posted by Reality Check on 12/03/2008 at 04:30pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This wins the brain vomit award.
Posted by Angelica on 12/03/2008 at 06:21pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I put off reading this post for several weeks because of the title…
But I finally succumbed to temptation.
Wow! I know this sounds disrespectful, but sometimes I wonder if you are an android?
happiness is not something that you put in the bank to accrue interest for one's "old age" when the wrinkles and grey hair set in.
Happiness is a choice, and has nothing to do with one's outer circumstances or appearance.
Sure, there are moments I'd like to look again like I did at 20, but that's not how things work.
What gives my life meaning are friends, family, creativity, nature, choosing to live a greener, simpler life, and service to others through volunteer work. And an occasional trip to the Estee Lauder counter.
I've lost family, friends, and fortunes during my 51 years on this earth and the one constant in my life is my radiant inner spirit so that's what I'll continue to nurture.
Posted by Barb H. on 12/04/2008 at 08:14am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Interesting point of view, but sounds like a lot of bull shit. Why? Because I know many beautiful childless women with successful careers who are unhappy and many women with grown up children without careers, hot looks or husbands who are really happy. Why? Because happiness for women of older age comes from the feeling of being truly needed, especially after certain age. Plastic surgery can't make your eyes shine. You know the difference if you saw older women who eyes truly shine. Someone who feels needed always live longer and happier life. You can probably find examples in your communities: special needs teacher, an artist/teacher, a coach of 85 who teach kids to play tennis, etc. Having an interest in life and willingness to share it with others can help to be happier at older age.
Posted by Anastasia on 12/08/2008 at 10:31pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, I'm a big fan and a regular reader but I'm really very upset that you are advocating plastic surgery as a recipe for happiness. Have you read The Beauty Myth?
Posted by Frippet on 12/09/2008 at 08:29am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I STRONGLY disagree with the idea that one should undergo cosmetic enhancements – tooth veneers, a nose job, Botox, anything else – just to land a husband.
As a career move, however, is another story.
I don't think I'd ever go under the knife to fix my sagging face or boobs, but I did recently have corrective jaw surgery to advance my too-small upper jaw, thus fixing an underbite (for the curious, photos on my site).
People have unanimously told me that I look better now, with coworkers commenting that I'm no longer "clenching my jaw." Well, guess what? I was never clenching my jaw in anger or frustration – that was just how I looked. Now that that's changed, it DEFINITELY has an impact on how others – especially men – view and treat me.
Since, in my tech startup at least, men are still the ones who rule, it's been crucial to my success to master the art of image management.
Posted by Susan Su on 12/09/2008 at 11:56am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Susan,
You were cute enough before the surgery that I don't think your appearance would matter too much for work.
It's true that good-looking people have an edge, but a much greater edge is a very productive person with a great attitude. This doesn't mean doormat by any means, just someone who gets their work done and helps others succeed.
I've already said it before in the comments, but I'll say it again: no one – absolutely no one – likes selfish people. No matter how great looking you are or how qualified you may be, you'll eventually piss everyone off and they'll let you go.
Posted by Reality Check on 12/09/2008 at 04:06pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hard work and talent are the givens.
However, individuals' hard work and talent can be overlooked if they are unattractive.
Joe Biden would look more like a crook than a politician without that (somewhat excessively) bright set of porcelain veneers over his natural smile. I assume that is why he was encouraged to get them.
As for me and my jaw surgery, I can report with certainty that the reactions at my office have been extremely positive, with some of the most blunt individuals flat out saying I look "waaay better."
In any case, I did not do it for their approval, I did it for my TMJ and obstructed airway ;) But, I won't say that the cosmetic benefits are unwelcome.
Posted by Susan Su on 12/09/2008 at 06:12pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I disagree with everything.
Why do you think that all men want fake boobs? I do not know of any man that wants to touch pumped up water balloons. Women save your money. Eat right, exercise, and get enough sleep. To attract a good man, be nice to him, smile, be unselfish, caring and treat a man like a man and not a little boy. Also if everyone took your advice about #1, our society may die, what do you think? I love my kids and cannot imagine being without them. From a Dad who is always trying harder to be a better Dad.
Posted by willie on 12/17/2008 at 08:46am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Cosmetic surgery may be the answer for some people, but adverse consequences occur every day. You could end up dead on the table, or with a horrific aesthetic result/impaired functionality. If you listen to #1 before following #3, at least you won't be leaving behind kids who may be scarred by the death of a parent.
That said, #3 may also help land a man, but not necessarily the type of man you'd want to be married to. I think it's good you're not following your own advice, but I worry about women with low self-esteem (and aren't as pretty as you) who may interpret your advice as a claim that cosmetic surgery can solve a multitude of problems.
Posted by RenaissanceTrophyWife on 12/18/2008 at 07:53pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Isn't true happiness about fulfillment, a sense of achieving what you believe to be your purpose for being on this earth.
For the majority of people this means creating life. I don't think the choice to have kids is very often made to provide a quick pick me up.
Other people find enormous satisfaction in their careers and feel content that that is their purpose which is fine.It's not like humanity is shrinking.
I on the other hand do not have a rewarding career have never been financially secure and because of that I have never had kids. Am I happy? No I'm goddamn miserable!!
Posted by steve on 12/19/2008 at 08:57am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I wanted to add my vote. This is my all time favorite post of 2008. I sent it to a couple of friends because I thought it so accurately described what they have been telling me about when describing their unhappiness. I am a very late 40's working mother of one 10-year-old kid. Married. Pretty happy due to several things: only 1 kid which is pretty easy to manage with 2 parents; have worked the whole time but have had to be satisfied with certain things — like picking jobs close to hope vs. promotions; and finally mild plastic surgery. I truly believe all 3 things have led me to be more content then I would have been, given that I didn't get married until 36. Meaning I had a life before being a wife and mother, and would have been very dissatisfied if I had walked away from said prior life. Anyway, great post and my vote for best of 2008. Happy New Year!
Posted by Rebecca Gonzalez on 12/29/2008 at 03:25pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Why do you think that all men want fake boobs?
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