I am back with the farmer.
This probably is not surprising to you, because admittedly, it is absurd to be engaged one day and not engaged the next day. But there are exacerbating factors, and basically, the way I got him back was to be more likable.
I have spent most of my career overcoming my lack of social skills by studying research about what makes people likable. And I think the research I’ve applied so systematically in my career is finally helping me in my personal life.
Here’s what we know about being likable:
1. Don’t give ultimatums. It’s disrespectful. Instead, be a negotiator.
The farmer does not want to be in this blog. As you might imagine, we have this discussion a lot.
First it was like this:
Him: I don’t want to be in the blog.
Me: You have to be. I can’t live without writing my life.
Then the conversation was like this:
Him: I don’t want to be in the blog.
Me: How about if you can edit whatever you want?
2. Try to think about situations from the other persons’ perspective.
That worked for a while. But the problem is that I’ve been setting boundaries about what I write about for my whole life. He’s only been doing it for a year. And after the Thanksgiving Day post he felt like he did not do a good job. In hindsight, he thinks he should not have let me write about that.
But here’s the farmer’s dilemma: He is fascinated with the idea of living an honest life. And he loves watching me do it, but he’s horrified to realize that there are a million versions of every story, and the person with the big blog audience gets extra weight for her story.
3. Don't hide what really motivates you; secretive people are not likable.
So I am back with the farmer, but we have new rules about what I can write. Well, I think we do. We were going to. But then we had to think about the ramifications. If I don’t write about the tension on a farm, then who is writing about that?
Do you read The Pioneer Woman? I love her blog. I love her blog so much that I told my designer he should make me her blog.
He said, "You don’t want her blog. It’s huge. It probably takes five full-time people to run that blog."
I said, "No. I do want her blog."
He said, "I think you want her life."
The Pioneer Woman does have a great life. Every guy in the photos on that blog is on a horse or about to get on a horse, and all the men are hot. Their rear ends poke out of chaps. Everywhere. And their tough, gritty faces suggest they’d ravish me in bed.
Sure I want that blog, and that life.
I also love how that The Pioneer Woman never, never never disrespects her guy. The Marlboro Man. That’s his name. He’s always studly, sexy, kind, fun.
The farmer is that, too, but there are issues. He’s not studly when we’re having a fight. The problem is that I’m drawn to writing about the fights, and the Pioneer Woman is drawn to writing about pies, and feeding the Marlboro Man.
I am a great cook. But this is not the sort of thing that would go over well on this blog. I’m the kind of cook that understands principles of food so I don’t ever use a recipe. But I’m not drawn to tell you how to make pot roast perfectly as a precursor to cowboy sex. I’m more drawn to tell you that I experimented with fruit in stew and accidentally used bad wine, and to fix it I laced it with brown sugar. And it’s not just that the farmer wouldn’t eat it, but neither would the farm cats, who will eat almost anything in winter.
I want to put a recipe of that. The worst stew ever. With grass-finished beef, of course. Because the farmer gets a full cow butchered and then stores it in his freezer. And before he knew me he used to turn everything into microwaved hamburger, but now he brings me gifts of frozen cuts of grass-finished beef that I defrost over days and turn into dinners to wow him.
The secret, really, to amazing cooking with beef is to spend a lot of money on ingredients and then do almost nothing to them. The farmer did not know this until he was with a city girl who will spend $5.00 on a bag of spinach.
4. Try to look at the positive side of things; people like optimists.
I digress. Sort of. Not really, though. Because what I’m telling you is that what would be perfect is if I could be the Pioneer Woman and only tell you good things about me and the farmer.
But what about that she’s living on a family-owned ranch that is a business, and surely, she had to sign a prenup? Surely her in-laws are nuts over the possibility that their son gets run over by a stampede and she inherits his part of the ranch and marries a different guy with a tight ass in flowing chaps and gives her share of the ranch to him?
What about that? Was there discussion?
Is there discussion over that she has so much traffic on her blog that surely she earns more money than the Marlboro Man? This is not easy stuff to deal with. But there is nothing about that.
Unfortunately, for me, the world loves reading the Pioneer Woman. And so do I. She’s upbeat and her site is gorgeous, and no kidding: the minute the farmer broke off my engagement I started thinking there’s gotta be a guy on her ranch who’s right for me.
But I am drawn to write about only the hard things. I don’t need help from a blog community to know that I’m great in the kitchen. I need help from a blog community to figure out my anger management problems . Because I need to fix that fast: The farmer won’t put up with me yelling anymore.
So I guess that’s what I’ll blog about. I have an anger problem with the farmer, and, honestly, everyone at work is sick of my anger issues, too. So I have a problem. It’s so much more interesting than the cupcakes that I decorate so well that my friend said she could sell them in SoHo.
5. Understand peoples’ boundaries and respect them.
This would be a great place for a picture. Of a cupcake. But what I’d like is a picture of me, and the farmer.
He won’t do that. He is figuring out boundaries. And that’s definitely one.
Another is yelling.
And another is his family.
I am figuring out boundaries, too. I would be insane to say that my blog is more important than he is. But, in some ways, it is. My blog is what makes me able to support myself–I can support myself, somehow, as long as I’m posting to my blog. And my blog is what makes me able to not feel isolated on a farm in the middle of nowhere. I’m always connected to people if I’m blogging.
But I told him that I’d stop blogging about him if he wants me to.
I could offer that only because I knew he wouldn’t want me to. He likes it. He likes that we would have had to keep a secret, forever, that we considered an abortion, but now we can talk about it openly and he can tell people what he thinks. He’s from a farm in the back, dead end street of a road in the middle of nowhere. No one ever asked him what he thought of abortion before. It’s interesting to him. To have a real discussion.
It makes him uncomfortable. But the thing is that the stuff that is most interesting to me is what makes me uncomfortable.
So we agree that we are back to where we were: Me blogging and him getting final edit to any post with him in it.
And I say, “Thank you so much. You make me feel really loved.”
He says, “Tell that to your readers so they know that. “
And I say, “They already do.”










P,
I liked your 5 points so much I am using them to kick off my 1st staff mtg of the year…thanks for your insight!!!
M
Posted by Mark F. on January 6, 2010 at 9:57 am | permalink |
I like your 5 points, too. I hope that your future inlaws could learn to live by them, too. Because the farmer was not the only problem in that relationship. But I'm happy that you're happy and I sincerely hope that you stay happy.
I'm going to try to start living by the 5 points, beginning this very day. Good words!
Posted by Kay Lorraine on January 7, 2010 at 3:22 am | permalink |
That is so sweet. Best of luck working things out. And I, too, want to be Pioneer Woman…at least you have a farmer and a farm…
Posted by Jen on January 6, 2010 at 10:02 am | permalink |
I like to think that "your farm" is where you nourish and grow things: it doesn't have to be animals or tomatos. It just has to be something you love, something that feeds your dreams.
And you are the farmer.
Your partner helps you farm your farm, while you help him/her farm his.
Penelope's farm is her blog and her startups. Her startups are the animals on her farm, but her blog is the life-giving land. She could no more leave her farm than her farmer could leave his.
Posted by LaneEllen on January 6, 2010 at 4:11 pm | permalink |
I absolutely love this comment. What a wonderful perspective to have. And you are absolutely right about Penelope leaving her farm for the farmer's vision of what should and should not be.
Posted by Jess @ Openly Balanced on January 6, 2010 at 4:15 pm | permalink |
LOVE this comment! Both Penelope and this reply have given me so much to think about. Thanks for posting!
Posted by Karen on January 7, 2010 at 3:55 pm | permalink |
I think there is a part in most women which would like to be the PW .. but diversity rules and we love you too Ms P – so happy for you le
Posted by le on January 7, 2010 at 6:14 am | permalink |
"The secret, really, to amazing cooking with beef is to spend a lot of money on ingredients and then do almost nothing to them."
Dare I say it, but the secret to really amazing *cooking* (as opposed to really amazing buying) of beef is cheap cuts and careful preparation. Steak can't touch a well made stew for flavour (and economy as a bonus), but then the pursuit of the skills to make a really good stew is a lifelong struggle easily on a par with a Zen monk's search for enlightenment.
Of course, if you still crave status symbols and want to know the secret of cooking ultra-rare steak, here it is:
Take one fillet steak. Explain to it the basic laws of thermodynamics. Consume.
Posted by Sketch Country on January 6, 2010 at 10:06 am | permalink |
I think there's a middle ground here…
Posted by Brigitte on January 6, 2010 at 10:25 am | permalink |
Absolutely – there usually is :) Most arguments benefit from a little polarisation, but it does make everything a bit melodramatic.
I'm trying to work out what the middle ground actually is here – gourmet burgers?
Posted by Sketch Country on January 6, 2010 at 10:53 am | permalink |
Bless you for introducing me to Pioneer Woman's blog. I am a happy girl.
That aside, I love this post and I like the fact that you're back with the farmer.
However, I was confused about 3 and secrets. I'm not even sure where that was going.
Posted by Mneiae on January 6, 2010 at 10:10 am | permalink |
Awww, P. I was reading along, smiling and nodding in agreement, until I got to this:
Really? That smacks of manipulation, and you're better than that. What if he'd said that's what he wants? Would you really have stopped? That sort of thing is a dangerous game, and it's beneath you.
Congratulations on getting back together.
Posted by Kathleen Jaffe on January 6, 2010 at 10:10 am | permalink |
The first step to being less manipulative is recognizing it and confessing it to 200,000 readers.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on January 6, 2010 at 10:37 am | permalink |
I love that. :-) Best of luck to you – you and the kids certainly deserve it.
Posted by Kathleen Jaffe on January 6, 2010 at 1:31 pm | permalink |
Actually, that's not the first step to anything. It's just more narcissism.
Posted by D on January 7, 2010 at 6:37 pm | permalink |
Is there a principles of cooking class where I can send my fiancee? He would love it. I am queen of the receipe, which is why I would even inquire about a principles of cooking class.
Best to you and the farmer, Penelope.
Posted by MZA on January 6, 2010 at 10:12 am | permalink |
Yes, it's called "Good Eats" and it's on the Food network. Bon Apetit!
Posted by Tzipporah on January 6, 2010 at 1:27 pm | permalink |
Follow recipes for a while and some of the basic principles will start to sink in. Then experiment. Don't be afraid to fail!
I also recommend a book called Don't Sweat the Aubergine.
Posted by Caitlin @ Roaming Tales on January 6, 2010 at 4:40 pm | permalink |
So, are you saying that the only problem in your relationship was you? That you had to make yourself more likable for your relationship with the Farmer to work? That he didn't have to change anything on his side? Because I think instead of you figuring out ways to "get him back" every time he calls it off, he should think of ways to get YOU back.
Think about it.
Posted by Anna on January 6, 2010 at 10:17 am | permalink |
Please give a lot of thought to what price you are paying by making your relationship all about pleasing him. Maybe that's not your intention…but, that's what this post sounds like. Which seems unusual for you. If this IS what's happening currently, you're going to pay a HUGE price down the road in terms of satisfaction with the way you spent your limited time on earth, and a feeling of having spent it well.
Posted by Tanya on January 7, 2010 at 4:37 am | permalink |
Us readers, followers, we adore uncompromising professional standards, but in one's personal life, being unable to compromise is a recipe for disaster. It just so happens that Penelope's two lives are intertwined, especially in the blog — that's the point of this post. So it's short-sighted that anyone should suggest she's repurposed her life, or blog, to please the Farmer.
Penelope, I am happy for you, and, since it's my first time commenting, I want to say how much I love reading about another person who is still willing to grow, change, and learn at a place in life when others tend to become rigid and unwilling to do those things.
Posted by Carly Fuller on January 7, 2010 at 8:07 am | permalink |
I want to be happier about this than I am…
Posted by MassMadness on January 6, 2010 at 10:21 am | permalink |
I have to echo Anna's comment above and warn of the dangers of signing a "Good Guy Contract" here. I know whereof I speak, having signed so many of them myself in the past, which I wrote about here: http://www.happinessinthisworld.com/2009/05/24/the-good-guy-contract/
Posted by Alex @ Happiness in this World on January 6, 2010 at 10:21 am | permalink |
I'm very happy for you.
I, too, love Pioneer Woman. But I'm much more drawn to the messy aspects of life. I am constantly trying to balance my commitment to honesty with my love and respect for my friends and family. It's not easy to negotiate social situations if you're both self aware and unwilling to engage in a thousand white lies.
Here's to trying to live an honest life and filling it with love!
Posted by Brigitte on January 6, 2010 at 10:24 am | permalink |
I have bona fide tears in my eyes. And a rising cry of "I told you so," in my throat.
Posted by LPC on January 6, 2010 at 10:24 am | permalink |
I hate the Pioneer Woman blog. I think she's a self-righteous phony, and she makes me tired just to read. Also her recipes use too much butter.
I'm not sure about your farmer, either. Couldn't you find someone you don't need to change for?
Posted by Alanna on January 6, 2010 at 10:28 am | permalink |
I think all relationships require some form of compromise IF they make us better people. Then again, I'm single and have been for almost 4 years, so take what I say with a grain of salt.
Posted by econopete on January 6, 2010 at 7:53 pm | permalink |
Penelope, I'm really happy that you're back together with the farmer. I enjoy the way you talk about him and learn from your experiences.
While it's good to learn and grow, I think it's important not to change your character. I hope you can find a good medium about being able to write about certain things while not sacrificing anything in your relationship.
It makes me think about how big corporations were very reluctant to hop on the blog bandwagon. They were hesitant to let people be open and honest… which means they loose some control. Corporations are comfortable controlling their message. It's hard to not control everything (ie… messaging)…. especially now in this viral age. Best of luck!
Posted by Jennifer on January 6, 2010 at 10:29 am | permalink |
Oh, it's so great to hear that you are back with the farmer! I hope everything works out wonderfully.
I am in the process of divorcing a man I still love, but whom I have to leave because he hits me. It's stupidly hard. At a time like this, somehow reading posts about the end of your engagement was just heartbreaking. I am so glad to hear that you are together again.
I wish you every happiness.
Posted by s on January 6, 2010 at 10:30 am | permalink |
You can do this. I did it. I thought it would kill me; it is SO HARD. Hang in there. Just do the next thing. If you are meant to be together, you can still be, after he learns not to be violent. But you are doing the right thing for right now.
Posted by e on January 6, 2010 at 2:40 pm | permalink |
Abuse can't be tolerated. Your soon to be ex needs therapy. Trust me on this.
Posted by econopete on January 6, 2010 at 7:56 pm | permalink |
I don't know you "s" but I'm proud of you for leaving. Greener pastures are out there…don't look back.
Posted by ash on January 7, 2010 at 10:03 am | permalink |
Your honesty and tone had me spellbound. I came to the post because of a tweet about learning to be more likeable, but fell in love with your story. Thank you
Posted by Waynette Tubbs on January 6, 2010 at 10:45 am | permalink |
Great post about your topic, but even more, great post about the jealousy some of us feel about Big Bloggers, but would never be brave enough to say out loud or in writing! I, too, suffer from Pioneer Woman jealousy. Thanks for putting a lot of my feelings into words today.
Posted by Mary @ Giving Up on Perfect on January 6, 2010 at 10:49 am | permalink |
Yay!! I'm so glad you write about the messy stuff. I hope the farmer doesn't edit too much out! If you didn't have this blog, do you think you and the farmer would still have worked things out? Seems to me, the blog is cathartic for both of you.
Best!
P.S. Yes, Mr. Farmer, we know you make her feel loved!
Posted by Beckie on January 6, 2010 at 11:00 am | permalink |
My first reaction was similar to Alanna's above. . .can't you not change for him? But when I think of my own life, let's just face it: we are all changing, all the time. It's incredibly naive to think that any two people could create a relationship where only one of them changes because the other one is not. That's a fantasy world. He's changing, obviously–just look at his joy over a real discussion about abortion, a topic that his fundamental Christianity bears on, but he's now discussing more honestly than ever before. If that's not change–challenging fundamental religious beliefs, especially ones held by the whole family–then I don't know what change is.
So congratulations on finding your own Marlboro Man: a farmer with an appreciation for a good, honest conversation.
Posted by Michael Fontaine on January 6, 2010 at 11:00 am | permalink |
I think your attempts to be more likable are well worth the effort. I can feel it already through your writing.
I love to see someone writing in a raw and truthful way while still being positive and hopeful. I think that's what we crave and that is why we love PW.
Posted by Crispina on January 6, 2010 at 11:02 am | permalink |
Like you, I totally love the Pioneer Woman. She has the best free photoshop actions ever. Not that you're in to photoshop, but if you are, you should try her actions. I have wondered what real life is like for the Pioneer Woman's alter ego Ree Drummond. Ree is definitely a study in effective boundary setting. Her boundary is that she never speaks negatively of her family or the ranch.
I also totally love your blog because you blog about difficult things. The answers are not always clear and easy. There is no recipe for how to be lost at work or picture that shows how procrastinating can be positive. The Pioneer Woman blogs about the simple life which I love and you blog about real life, which I also love.
Posted by Courtney on January 6, 2010 at 11:07 am | permalink |
I know I shouldn't need this comment to feel better. But I do. So thanks.
-Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on January 6, 2010 at 11:15 am | permalink |
When I read your original post about the farmer breaking off the engagement, the thing I was most concerned about was the farmer's parents. They have so far refused to guarantee that he would inherit their 500 acres, despite the fact that he depends on their land (together with his 100 acres) for his farming income and lifestyle. A lawyer advised the farmer to exit the business relationship with his parents because it's an insecure way to live, but the farmer hasn't taken that advice. So the farmer's parents are dangling a sword of Damocles over his head, and over yours, until further notice. I think that's emotional blackmail. I think the farmer is letting his parents hold his happiness hostage, conditional upon him (and you) pleasing them. And I think that's a recipe for eventual disaster.
Maybe you and the farmer can work out your other problems, and maybe you can't; but I think the deck will always be stacked against your relationship until this situation with the parents and the land gets worked out. Good luck!
Posted by Brent Winter on January 6, 2010 at 11:13 am | permalink |
All that is relevant only if she wants to try engagement again. And if that happens, somebody please smack her.
Posted by JR on January 6, 2010 at 11:39 am | permalink |
i agree that this is emotional (and practical) blackmail on the part of the farmer's parents, but he doesn't–yet. he might at some point, and then, if they're lucky, he and P can discuss his next step as a couple, but for the moment, he's the only one who can take the step to independence. perhaps being with a strong woman who is an entrepreneur will help him. P doesn't necessarily have to suffer for his indecision–there are a lot of domestic arrangements they can come to to protect the family they would be creating–hence the negotiation point above.
Posted by thatgirlinnewyork on January 11, 2010 at 11:55 am | permalink |
You are my Pioneer Woman blog!
… and I am so thrilled you have found your way back to each other.
Posted by AT on January 6, 2010 at 11:28 am | permalink |
I'm so happy for you. I truly wish the both of you and your children a happy, wonderful life.
Posted by Chocolatezen on January 6, 2010 at 11:38 am | permalink |
This post made me tear up. Relationships are hard. Give the farmer a hug for me, and try meditation.
Posted by Sheryl on January 6, 2010 at 11:44 am | permalink |
I can help with the anger cycle:
You and the farmer both try to control each other. You do this through all types of strategies, whatever each of you thinks will work at the time: negotiating, breaking up, silent treatment, yelling, scapegoating relatives, appealing to passion, and so on. You both do it. Neither one of you is the bad guy, and neither of you gets to feel oppressed. It's a cycle, and it takes both people to make it work. The fact that it happens at all is proof that both of you are in it.
Whenever you feel frustrated, stop. Don't react. Think, "What is it I want from him right now?" When you can answer that question, DON'T justify wanting it, or take steps to get it, or otherwise take any sort of action at all.
You already do this in small interactions all the time. You can do it.
After you've paused long enough to decide what you want, tell the farmer, "This is what I want." Then wait. Don't take any steps to make sure he gives it to you. Don't explain. Don't justify. Don't punish him for not giving it to you. Don't do anything.
Just tell him what you want and listen to his response. You need to disengage, "What I want," from, "What he does for me." The two are not really linked, even thought it feels like they are. That's an illusion, and that illusion forces you both to interact with each other in a way that you think will get you what you want, but which really forces you into a death spiral of awful trades and constant requests that, although absorbing, is doomed to end when one of you can't keep up. And no one can keep up all the time.
Once these two things are separate in your head, "What I want," and, "What he does for me," you'll be able to stop violating his boundaries, you'll recognize it when he violates your boundaries, and you'll feel a lot less anxiety.
Basically, you're separating yourself from your childlike determination that you are linked to other people. Children are dependent, and they learn all kinds of ways to deal with this dependence. When these coping strategies carry over into adulthood, the strategies cause problems and the now-adult spends all his time fixing those problems. But really you just need to separate, "What I want," from anything anyone else does, could do, thinks, or wants.
Does that make sense? It's hard to explain in words.
Posted by Liz on January 6, 2010 at 11:46 am | permalink |
I love this comment, Liz. So useful. The farmer has been reading a book, Man Enough: Fathers and sons and the search for masculinity. And the psychology of that book is very similar to what you write here: I like that. I like that somehow the world seems to be throwing consistent advice our way. As if there is a truth to save us or something…
-Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on January 6, 2010 at 11:51 am | permalink |
Liz's advice rings so true for me, too.
And so does this: "But I am drawn to write about only the hard things…"
At first, I always ran my blog posts by the boyfriend before publishing. But he, too, gets frustrated by the fact that you can only show so much in one post (um, only so much of MY side?) that I simply don't show him the drafts anymore.
I hear you about getting it all out honestly — even if a cupcake is prettier.
Posted by Single Mom Seeking on January 6, 2010 at 8:57 pm | permalink |
Liz's advice is great.
When I was in therapy, my therapist taught me a similar tool for dealing with frustration and anger. 1) Say how you feel. 2) Say what you want. 3) Let go of the consequences.
The problem with NOT telling the other person what you want is that you force them to guess at it. That effectively takes away from them the ability to resolve the problem.
For what it's worth, I think the farmer has at least as big an anger problem as you do. His technique of breaking up with you when he isn't happy with your behavior — he's done this at least three times that you've mentioned in the blog — is brutal, cruel, and cowardly. It would appear that this runs in the family: the behavior of his sisters and his parents that you've described here seems extraordinarily manipulative. They seem keenly perceptive of power differentials and are skilled at using them to their advantage. The farmer knows you want him more than he wants you, so breaking up works well. His parents know he wants to farm with them more than he wants you, so refusing to come to an agreement with you works well. His sisters know that he is uncomfortable with your writing about him in the blog, so they send him hair-raisingly intimate blog posts from your archives. You're playing with pros here, Penelope. Be careful.
Posted by Dan Owen on January 7, 2010 at 12:25 am | permalink |
Ooh, that's a keeper. Wish I'd seen it so clearly explained 20 years ago! (And glad you posted now.)
Posted by Pen on January 6, 2010 at 12:40 pm | permalink |
Hey. That was well said. Thanks.
Posted by tallpinetree on January 6, 2010 at 1:42 pm | permalink |
I know some people who really need this advice – including me! I often have to stop and go 'wait, what am I doing?' Because what I am asking of a person is for them to FIX EVERYTHING NOW. Which is ridiculous. So they are mad and I feel betrayed and let down. So I try to reframe it. Maybe they can just make me feel a bit better, or maybe fix a small thing. But they are just a person, too.
Penelope, I'd just like to say 'thanks'. 'Be more positive' is my New Years sort of not really resolution. I would like to be a more pleasant person, for myself if not anyone else. And I know I can be too negative – I'm not banning negativity, just upping positivity. Well, that's the aim. So, thanks!
Posted by Kate on January 6, 2010 at 5:08 pm | permalink |
Penelope;
Congratulations! I am very happy your relationship is happening. I could be in love with you too you know. I agree with the Farmer that anger and verbal titrates are a total deal breaker for any relationship. We've never met of course but there is something about the beauty of who you are that just keeps ringing through to me.
Best;
Richard Sher
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Posted by Richard Sher on January 6, 2010 at 12:06 pm | permalink |
P – you made me smile with this post.
You already seem less angry :)
Posted by Maya on January 6, 2010 at 12:17 pm | permalink |
Nothing to say. Just sending you a smile. :)
Posted by Jennifer Lynn on January 6, 2010 at 12:21 pm | permalink |
Penelope, I am so thrilled for you that you guys are together again. You deserve to be loved. I was a bit heartbroken when you guys split.
For me, the hard thing is separating how I feel with what will get the desired outcome. Some people are amazing at this. Like, my husband got hit with a bunch of bank fees that he didn't deserve, and he was pissed. But when he went in and talked to them, he was jovial, laughing, and everyone wanted to help him.
This is a really odd thing to say, but I once wanted to write a spy thriller. I did a ton of research on spies and recruiting. I learned more about relating to people effectively from that research than anything else in my whole life. It seems like it could be something that would interest you.
Anyway, I just wanted to say two things. The struggle is to not act according to our emotions but according to what will work. And the second is that the farmer already likes you, clearly. So do we. :-)
Posted by Natasha Fondren on January 6, 2010 at 12:38 pm | permalink |
Interesting, as on first reading I find myself thinking that this is the opposite of Liz's "non-manipulative" advice above.
And yet I completely understand what you are saying, and it's something I have to remind myself to do every time I call for customer service, or the like.
I wonder if it's that your advice is more appropriate for dealing with the public vs. an intimate relationship? I mean, not that we should all be angry/ugly at home and then cheerful in public, but on the other hand, I like to think I could be more authentic and less "what should I do to make the other person give me what I want" when I'm at home with a loved one.
Posted by Pen on January 6, 2010 at 12:45 pm | permalink |
This is true. Maybe. On the other hand, if you know that sitting down next to your husband instead of standing in front of him, hands on hips, helps get him out of defensive mode and into a willingness to listen… I guess that's manipulation, but I think it's a positive one.
Or, and this may sound anti-feminism, but my husband and I struggle with the money thing. I get pissed, but if I act pissed, all that gets me is relationship troubles while dealing with the stress of money issues and him digging in his heels to do it his way and me trying to work out how I'm going to leave him because I can't live that way. On the other hand, if I let myself be and act sad about it, he doesn't get defensive. He listens. He wants to fix it. We work out a budget.
Objective achieved, we're both at peace, and the problem is solved.
I mean, I guess you can call that manipulation. But when you give him that special smile that says "let's go in the bedroom now," that's sort of manipulation, too. Is all manipulation "bad?"
Posted by Natasha Fondren on January 6, 2010 at 2:46 pm | permalink |
If you were The Pioneer Woman, you would not write your blog the way you do now….PLEASE do not become The Pioneer Woman. I would be bored to death!
Posted by Jeannie on January 6, 2010 at 12:39 pm | permalink |
A little tear squeezed out of my eye at the end. You took the words out of my mouth about PW's blog, verrrrry pretty,upbeat only, unrealistic in real life but serves a purpose when you want pretty, upbeat and a warm fuzzy feeling. Thank you for the great post you are obviously inspired. I like how honest you are because many of us have to work on ourselves on a regular basis. I'm glad to know I am in good company.
Posted by Susan on January 6, 2010 at 12:44 pm | permalink |
Have you seen the movie "The Real Dirt on Farmer John?"
http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/realdirt/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Real_Dirt_on_Farmer_John
It's a few years old but a fascinating look at farming and the life that ends up revolving around the land. Worth a netflix rental. Some of the things you write about remind me of that movie.
Posted by Kristen on January 6, 2010 at 12:47 pm | permalink |
good advice, particularly in building one's ability to empathize with their partner ;). i think a lot of people romance what a farm business. another excellent doc is "American Farm"
http://www.americanfarmmovie.com/
i liked this one for many reasons, but in terms of spelling out what visits a family farm throughout its lifespan (as opposed to larger commercial farms), and its effect on the family, is significant. it's also beautifully done.
Posted by thatgirlinnewyork on January 11, 2010 at 12:05 pm | permalink |
Penelope,
I'm a little worried about you being back with the farmer. I don't want you to get hurt again, and he seems to be particularly good at it. It always seems to be about your issues, neverminding the fact that he's chocked full of them too. While I agree that you should be nice (an issue for me, too), you need to be allowed to just be you. You're going to yell sometimes, and he's just going to have to love you anyway. You deserve at least that much.
Fingers crossed,
Lauren
Posted by Lauren on January 6, 2010 at 12:47 pm | permalink |
While I would never want anyone to be hurt, I feel Penelope can hold her own when it happens. Her children, however, are who I feel concerned for. What does all this together again, not together again, do for them?
First and foremost should be point #2. The farmer and Penelope's actions need to be considered from the perspective of her sons, namely how will they be affected by what the adults in their lives do? The farmer and Penelope both deal with issues that stem from family. Don't force these boys to grow up with issues as well.
Posted by rennie on January 7, 2010 at 7:17 am | permalink |
WOW! This was such an incredible read. I don't know you but I am glad you and the farmer are working things out, I would hate for anyone to lose a good man over a blog. LOL;)
Posted by Ms. Freeman on January 6, 2010 at 12:47 pm | permalink |
Tears – great post.
I'm a new reader and was thrilled to find your blog (wow there is a whole world out there that I would love to get to know). Slowly catching up with everything. Love the comments from readers as well.
It sounds like you know this, but I would like to throw it out here anyway. I've been married 25 years. Its not all fun and games and staying together might be the hardest thing most of us do, but who knows what the future holds. However, early in my marriage my mother told me the 50-50 rule – how your relationship sometimes goes in your favor and its 70-30 and sometimes it doesn't… its a living thing. So even though you might look like you are bending your principles by "changing", as long as you are growing together in the same direction, always trying to meet at 50-50, then you are doing the right thing.
Posted by Lori on January 6, 2010 at 1:00 pm | permalink |
I've crossed all my fingers and toes that it works out for you :)
If anyone deserves happiness, it is you, Brazen Chick!
Posted by Chickybeth on January 6, 2010 at 1:14 pm | permalink |
I read your blog regularly, and I like you. Ultimately, I just hope you value yourself as much as you should.
Now that you and the farmer have negotiated your blog and his presence in postings, can you negotiate his relationship with his parents?
Why are they so motivated to control him and his decisions? When does he start making his own decisions and living with the consequences?
As you already know, marriages are hard work and require the commitment of both partners in order for even the slightest chance at contentment. Before you decide to marry him, please be certain the farmer is committed to you and making the marriage work.
And I still think, like a lot of "city girls," you're caught up in the fantasy of farming/ranching/sexy cowboys. I enjoy The Pioneer Woman blog, but can you see how much work she puts into making the ranch, her family, and the blog succeed? Ranching and farming is a lifestyle–one of long hours and hard work–not suited to most people.
Posted by Maria on January 6, 2010 at 1:15 pm | permalink |
Pioneer Woman's book sold really, really well. That would be the sudden interest. There's a bunch of mommy-bloggers who are also very interested in the country life. And it's a great search term, too.
Posted by Belinda Gomez on January 6, 2010 at 10:21 pm | permalink |
I can't reply to Penelope's comment on my comment in the listing below, so. . . .
Here's a link to an article from 2008 in Working Ranch magazine to learn more about the Drummonds' ranching operation: http://workingranch.v1.myvirtualpaper.com/magazine/2008071101/en?page=42
I'm sure she's involved in the ranch in whatever capacity she wants at the level of family business they're running, and she's certainly contributing money from "selling" the ranch fantasty through her blog and other writing.
I always take homeschooling with a grain of salt because that really covers a wide scale of effort on the part of the people doing the teaching. And I'm sure that ranching activities play a large role in their schooling, as they should with ranching being the likely future for some, if not all, of the kids.
Posted by Maria on January 7, 2010 at 1:52 pm | permalink |
Anger: I'm curious whether you actually want to change your anger for yourself, or only for him. My grandmother was angry her whole life, and only changed when her doctor told her it would kill her. That is, she did it for her. I have reduced my displays of anger, because I was beginning to hate myself for being so angry. Most of my time is with my kids, and the book 1-2-3 Magic helped me focus on not rising to their bait, not debating & discussing each infraction with them. Men are different from kids of course. If you want to change, I recommend an anger journal. Each time you get angry you write the trigger, and how you felt. But you and the farmer may already know part of why you get angry — does he keep energy bars on hand to feed you when you start getting snippy? My husband does, now. And extra sunglasses in his car, for when I've forgotten mine. It's the little things…
Posted by Erica on January 6, 2010 at 1:22 pm | permalink |
Honestly, the Pioneer Woman blog is absolute shit compared to yours. And I say that as a woman who likes you more now that I know you can cook (and like to cook).
You deal with the real stuff; you're not a Martha. Thank God.
Also, if you want to see real farm blogging, with hunky guys and good food on a real FARM budget, go over to Farmgirl Fare. She writes about losing baby donkeys, how the perfect pictures don't always represent what it feels like to live on a farm in the middle of nowhere, and posts some incredible recipes. So there.
Posted by Tzipporah on January 6, 2010 at 1:23 pm | permalink |
And, farmer? You may not realize this, since it's been you and your family for so long, but once you get married, it's you AND PENELOPE together, against your family, when necessary.
Meaning, your allegiance switches. It must switch. She's your family now. She's your future. If that's not what marriage means to you, you're going to undermine your relationship with her every time you talk to your parents.
Food for thought.
Posted by Tzipporah on January 6, 2010 at 1:26 pm | permalink |
What do you do that's so fantastic with cupcakes? Seriously I need to bring cupcakes for my 1st graders b-day party on Friday and it's really important that I'm not lame so this is an urgent request.
Posted by ash on January 6, 2010 at 1:37 pm | permalink |
I love that you're asking about cupcakes! I never get to talk about this. I've been playing with frosting for about five years. Buy lots of colors and lots of ways to squirt, and then mix and match. When you have your own style with color and shape for frosting, then start playing sprinkles. If you don't own 25 containers of sprinkles, you are not really playing. Think of it as a painting.
But. You know what? First-graders don't care about what cupcakes look like. First-graders just want lots of sugar. Adults are the ones who care what cupcakes look like. So you'll be fine on Friday.
-Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on January 6, 2010 at 1:46 pm | permalink |
Eww. Make your own buttercream. So much better, and then you don't need as much.
Posted by Belinda Gomez on January 6, 2010 at 11:03 pm | permalink |
My own buttercream? 25 types of sprinkles?? I'm in way out of my league! Since I am creatively challenged by nature (I'm an engineer) I will focus on the sugar aspect and add nerds and gummy bears (both available from the office candy/crack pusher) to decorate the cupcakes and hope for the best. Thanks!
Posted by ash on January 7, 2010 at 10:29 am | permalink |
P, you're spot on, all the kids want is the sugar – especially first-graders. Ash – pile the icing on, put some sprinkles on top and they'll gobble the icing and leave the cake. Fancy decorations are either to satisfy an artistic bent or impress other parents – not the kids.
Posted by Cathy on January 7, 2010 at 8:44 pm | permalink |
Absolutely nothing constructive to say here. Just: thank you for coming back; thank you for the good advice; thank you for all the insight; thank you for introducing me to The Pioneer Woman; thank you for the cowboys and congratulations on the reunion!
And now, if I may be allowed to quote Hot Chocolate (who is playing this very minute on my iPod) and send this out to anyone who wants to hear it: "I believe in miracles, since ya came along, you sexy thing."
Posted by Margaret on January 6, 2010 at 2:13 pm | permalink |
Full disclosure: that also happens to be the song my brother-in-law used to propose to my sister in front of a crowd of a few hundred — and they're still happily married.
Posted by Margaret on January 6, 2010 at 2:16 pm | permalink |
Yay!!! Now I'm going to go back and read rest of post.
I need to work on making myself more likable, too. More respectable, too, in the good way, not the conformist "that's just the way it's done" way.
Posted by Jay on January 6, 2010 at 2:27 pm | permalink |
Welcome back Penelope! You were missed. ; ) I'm an equestrian myself and enjoy a beautiful horse, a beagle to sport, and a fisherman that is so great at loving me. Thanks!
Posted by Melissa Dutmers on January 6, 2010 at 2:37 pm | permalink |
congratulations on getting back together !
"I experimented with fruit in stew and accidentally used bad wine, and to fix it I laced it with brown sugar. And it’s not just that the farmer wouldn’t eat it, but neither would the farm cats, who will eat anything in winter."
Hah. I'm an occasional cook, have tried fixes like that and they NEVER WORK. Most recently I overpowered a pheasant/wine stew with cinnamon; attempted More Wine, no go; another half-pint of olive oil, hoping for an emollient effect, nope. In the end people still ate it, and the dog who retrieved the bird ingredient was happy with leftovers – but I couldn't eat it.
As I observed on another blog, 'The Pioneer Woman' looks like a kind of farm pornography to me: the same kind of air-brushed eliding of reality. I doubt the designer kitchen in the cover photo was paid for with farming income..
Posted by Doug K on January 6, 2010 at 2:41 pm | permalink |
The Pioneer Woman is lightly entertaining, but she spreads this idea that people who live on farms or ranches can afford to redecorate their lodges or have the time to take vacations. The truth is that most farmers are poor and cannot afford constant redecoration or expensive cameras and lenses to track all the redecoration. True farmers don't take vacations. Who would feed the livestock?
Farm life is not truly glamorous. I wish more people knew this.
Posted by Janet on January 6, 2010 at 2:47 pm | permalink |
As I understand it, the Marlboro Man's family is one of the richest in his state. And it's great if they want to do manual labor, work a farm, show off a photoshopped dream life (she's open about her photoshopping after all), but it's important for the rest of us to realize what they started with so we don't become too discouraged abt our own stuff.
Following from that, PT, I think that PW's husband probably still has more money than her, if not more fame. So there might be other blogging resentments but I think money isn't among them.
Posted by Mrs. Micah on January 6, 2010 at 3:51 pm | permalink |
Really? This is interesting. I didn't know this. So I feel compelled to respond to Maria (her comment above) about Pioneer Woman's life.
I mean, the Pioneer Woman is currently on a national book tour, with her husband and kids. And her blog is a relatively large business — definitely larger than 90% of Internet businesses. So it's hard to see her as a rancher (she's homeschooling her kids all day, not managing cattle) or as a stay-at-home mom (what full-time mom can do a national book tour or operate a blog the size of Gawker media?)
Still, I think a lot about her. I don't know what I think of her. Except that she's smart and interesting.
-Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on January 6, 2010 at 8:12 pm | permalink |
Really? This is interesting. I didn't know this. So I feel compelled to respond to Maria (her comment above) about Pioneer Woman's life.
I mean, the Pioneer Woman is currently on a national book tour, with her husband and kids. And her blog is a relatively large business — definitely larger than 90% of Internet businesses. So it's hard to see her as a rancher (she's homeschooling her kids all day, not managing cattle) or as a stay-at-home mom (what full-time mom can do a national book tour or operate a blog the size of Gawker media?)
Still, I think a lot about her. I don't know what I think of her. Except that she's smart and interesting.
-Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on January 6, 2010 at 8:12 pm | permalink |
This is a completely fluff comment, but I have to say that this post completely derailed my horrible day and made it awesome. Penelope Trunk + Pioneer Woman = YAY. One of my favorite bloggers writing about one of my other favorite bloggers. Articulately. Intelligently. Thank you for un-depressing me.
(And congratulations!)
Posted by Jess @ Openly Balanced on January 6, 2010 at 3:02 pm | permalink |
I didn't know how much I liked you until I realized how happy I was that you two are back together. I only wish we could see more pictures, but maybe in time with some more negotiating:)
Posted by Renee on January 6, 2010 at 3:21 pm | permalink |
Yay! I love that you're back with the farmer. Make it work. I'm not going to judge. :)
Posted by Marissa on January 6, 2010 at 3:50 pm | permalink |
every good relationship – especially a marriage – is based on compromise. Nobody gets their way entirely – only partially. I like the farmer. I think he's good for you. I think you're happier when you are with him. Don't fight to be "right". Pick your battles. And ask yourself again, and again "if we broke up over this issue would it seem stupid to somebody outside the relationship?" I don't like the fact that my husband leaves his dirty clothes on the floor, but at the end of the day, no biggie.
Posted by Beth on January 6, 2010 at 4:04 pm | permalink |
My partner also told me he could not handle me yelling. And it was (and still is) a hard habit for me to break. I yell because I think I'm not being heard, and he gets quieter the louder I am — a self-reinforcing action.
There is no magic bullet. I try to remember. I try to really look at him when we fight — I can see it on his face when I get too loud. It still happens, but I try to check myself as soon as I realize, and apologize, if only for yelling, when I do.
Liz's comment about asking for what you want is very true. Also, recognize for yourself what you want. I had to realize that I didn't want to be fighting more than I wanted to be right.
And it's hard to be nice, to apologize, to compromise, to resolve a difference, when you feel like you're under attack. So, if changing my fighting tactics is more likely to get me what I want, well… that makes it easier to remember not to yell.
Posted by Helen on January 6, 2010 at 4:15 pm | permalink |
One of our favorite books is "For Women Only" by Shaunti Feldhahn (and the companion book for men). I don't think you're much of a book person and you'd have to ignore the fact that it's nominally a Christian book.
But it gives great insight into what the average male thinks about many subjects. I think it's especially good at explaining what are almost conditioned or programmed responses by us guys. We kept it in the bathroom for a month until we'd both finished reading it. I kept nodding my head in surprise – "Yeah, I do that." even when I didn't realize it.
Posted by Jon on January 6, 2010 at 4:23 pm | permalink |
I didn't know that you liked to cook. I find that interesting. I love to cook too – it's such a creative and also nurturing process. Somehow your posts about how you only eat power bars and you have difficulty with restaurant menus made me think you weren't that into cooking.
It's nice that you are back with the farmer. Are you still engaged? What's the plan?
Posted by Caitlin @ Roaming Tales on January 6, 2010 at 4:38 pm | permalink |
TELL THE FARMER THANK YOU!
You deserve a great man.
You both deserve happiness.
Your blog is great without him.
Its also heartwarming with him.
THANK YOU FARMER!
Posted by Kim Knight, MAcOM, LAc on January 6, 2010 at 4:43 pm | permalink |
I much prefer your blog to the Pioneer Woman! I know she's popular but I just don't see it.
But while we're on the subject of fabulous blogs, I should remind everyone that next Monday is the deadline if you want to nominate a blog for the 2010 Bloggies. http://2010.bloggies.com. (Some of my kind fans have nominated me for travel and food).
Also I meant to say in my previous comment that even the nicest, freshest, organic spinach doesn't normally cost $5 a bag.
Posted by Caitlin @ Roaming Tales on January 6, 2010 at 4:46 pm | permalink |
Have you read anything by Tim Sanders? He wrote _The Likeability Factor_ (most relevant to your current post) as well as _Love is the Killer App_ and _Saving the World at Work_. I think you would like his work.
Posted by Jacqueline on January 6, 2010 at 4:47 pm | permalink |
Always a pleasure to read. Farmer makes me happy too. It's refreshing to hear about grass and cows instead of Gucci and Prada. Also, with your 5 points I can now finally prove to my husband that I am one of the most likable. thank you.
Posted by jhajer on January 6, 2010 at 5:04 pm | permalink |
Oh, and I still think you guys should elope in Vegas. :)
Posted by Jacqueline on January 6, 2010 at 5:06 pm | permalink |
We do know it.
I'm so delighted you're back together, I was sad when you weren't. But I am also sad when anyone disrespects the person they are with. Having difficulties like yours, I hope he has the enduring patience to learn the difference. My marlboro man does.
Posted by Kathleen on January 6, 2010 at 5:40 pm | permalink |
This has actually raised an interesting question for me. Has the farmer gone to therapy? I know you are a fan, and I am curious. I have spent many years in therapy and when I lived in San Francisco I don't think I knew anyone who had not been at some point. Now I find myself living in a small out of the way place, in a relationship with a wonderful guy who has never seen a therapist. I find it poses some tricky issues when it comes to sorting out disagreements and plans for our relationship. Perhaps it's just the lack of that common ground of language and experience of self-knowledge that you gain from therapy. I wonder if you find the same thing with the farmer.
Just idle thoughts.
Posted by Meredith on January 6, 2010 at 6:16 pm | permalink |
Regarding anger management, a thing that has worked for me lately is to pay my wife a prearranged ammount of money (say $50) at every incident I yell at her. Same would go the other way arround. Of course this works as long as you quickly pay it and stop yelling when you realise you've done it again
Posted by George Birbilis on January 6, 2010 at 6:46 pm | permalink |
I don't know you or your blog well enough to be happy (or not) about you and the farmer being back together. I got distracted with your links to other posts related to Aspergers.
I have found myself fascinated by you and your writing and what you say because it is so blunt, so frank … and so rare. It's all so less confusing and so refreshing at the same time. It's only now that I realize what I've been drawn to is a characteristic of Aspergers. Huh. Now I want to find as many people as I possibly can that are diagnosed with Aspergers and surround myself with them and see if life gets any less confusing. (Okay, it didn't sound as wierd inside my head as it does now in writing!)
I'm off to go check out what this Pioneer woman is now.
Posted by coffeewithjulie on January 6, 2010 at 7:14 pm | permalink |
That's funny that you want to surround yourself with people who have Asperger's. I do that — intuitively — and it gets sort of dull. Blunt, unfiltered honestly gets boring after a while too.
Did you read AJ Jacobs book about a year of living biblically? I forget the title, but he has a chapter where he lived the commandment "thou shall not lie" literally. That is my life. And the chapter always bothered me because it's not actually that great a way to live. I mean, people who don't know how to lie in a conventional, probably-very-human way are actually mentally challenged.
So, I guess I am saying that I am happy that you like the blog. But also that everything gets boring if there's too much.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on January 6, 2010 at 8:08 pm | permalink |
I'm going to pick up that book. I'd heard of it, but it didn't really get my interest. Before now. Thanks. Nothing better than a new book to look forward to!
Posted by coffeewithjulie on January 7, 2010 at 8:08 am | permalink |
That's funny that you want to surround yourself with people who have Asperger's. I do that — intuitively — and it gets sort of dull. Blunt, unfiltered honestly gets boring after a while too.
Did you read AJ Jacobs book about a year of living biblically? I forget the title, but he has a chapter where he lived the commandment "thou shall not lie" literally. That is my life. And the chapter always bothered me because it's not actually that great a way to live. I mean, people who don't know how to lie in a conventional, probably-very-human way are actually mentally challenged.
So, I guess I am saying that I am happy that you like the blog. But also that everything gets boring if there's too much.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on January 6, 2010 at 8:08 pm | permalink |
You need to find people who claim to have Aspergers.
Posted by Belinda Gomez on January 6, 2010 at 10:19 pm | permalink |
The number one strategy – not to give ultimatums – was how you and the farmer got engaged, and how he broke it off.
You wrote in a post that (while walking between rows of corn) you told him you couldn't keep bringing the boys unless you two were married. He caved. Then later a similar situation occured while negotiating with his parents. He caved to the parents.
I am delighted to hear that you are rethinking this relationship strategy. I think you and the farmer belong together.
Posted by Judy on January 6, 2010 at 8:16 pm | permalink |
The important things to figure out about people are always what they don't say, because that is always what is so obvious to them that they don't need to say it. When you blog about your issues with the farmer, you are not talking about how amazing he is or how much you love him, but it is implicit in every post. You would not blog about him if you didn't love him. You would not still want to be with him, even though your relationship has so much angst, if you didn't love him. Hopefully the farmer knows that the reason you need to say so many unpleasant things about him is that he is the best thing in your life.
Posted by Erica on January 6, 2010 at 8:40 pm | permalink |
Tell the farmer (and whisper it to yourself) that: "I know that". I am in a relationship where "they" said it wouldn't last six months. Where family ties were strained and almost broken because we wouldn't listen to the advice of those who loved us and thought they might know better. Where we agreed to give up a great deal to live in the shelter of each other's greatest gift of love. And here we are, my love and I, thirty one years later (sixty two, six-month zero hours have passed) and as happy as the day we decided that we could walk away from that loving but flawed advice. My wish for you and the farmer is that you stay true to what your heart tells you; be damned the consequences that others doom for you. The love you share is the only thing that matters.
Posted by Brenda on January 6, 2010 at 8:49 pm | permalink |
Hmmm. Sometimes love's not enough. Which is a hard lesson to learn. (Not saying that's the case with Penelope, just as a general rule I get nervous when people suggest that love conquers all.)
Posted by Cathy on January 7, 2010 at 8:52 pm | permalink |
Yay! I hope you guys can work it out.
I think it would be wonderful if you could make it your mission to reinvigorate America by encouraging more smart, successful but slightly lost women to hook up with the single farmers out there and totally reshape the American countryside: The Family Farm 2.0. You need a new project, Penelope. I feel like some of your issues with The Farmer might just have been that you had too much time/energy to be able to focus on all the problems and that made them bigger than they were. So his parents want a pre-nup? So what? If you and The Farmer put your heads, your talents and your energies together and work to build something, you will make so much money you can buy 10 of his parents farms. There are so many things you could do that would benefit you, The Farmer, your kids, his family, and all of the rest of us. What are his dreams, what are yours, where do they intersect? Make it about the future, not the past. Focus on the things that you both care about, that you both feel you can make public, and turn your life, and this blog, in that direction. You can continue to be honest, but maybe not about everything in such a public way. I hope you can make it work. You and he both deserve it. And we are looking forward to following your journey!
Posted by lhamo on January 6, 2010 at 11:00 pm | permalink |
I've subscribed to both your blog and Pioneer Woman's for a long time… let me just tell you that I skim through 95% of PW's posts. She's spunky and upbeat, but there are only so many pictures of cows one can really pay attention to when there are 500 posts in my Google Reader waiting to be addressed. But when I see a new one from you, I always savor every word. Your words make me laugh, cry, and most importantly- see the world from a new perspective. I'll take nitty gritty reality over photoshopped farm animals any day :)
Posted by Becca on January 6, 2010 at 11:04 pm | permalink |
{{{Hugs}}}
And not the yucky, uninvited, you-are-invading-my-space kind.
The kind you receive without realizing you are being hugged until you feel warm and safe and recognize that you leaned in to the other body too.
Posted by biting tongue on January 6, 2010 at 11:35 pm | permalink |
I have been following you on Twitter for some time. And reading you as well. You inspire confidence.
May I take this opportunity to request you for your invaluable feedback and / or few words about my efforts to expose the corrupt sitting at the helms in India's premier news agency Press Trust of India (PTI).
It is prayed.
Thank you so much and Best.
Posted by Neeraj Bhushan on January 7, 2010 at 12:10 am | permalink |
I have been following you on Twitter for some time. And reading you as well. You inspire confidence.
May I take this opportunity to request you for your invaluable feedback and / or few words about my efforts to expose the corrupt sitting at the helms in India's premier news agency Press Trust of India (PTI). The same can be reached at neerajbhushan.com
It is prayed.
Thank you so much and Best.
Posted by Neeraj Bhushan on January 7, 2010 at 12:12 am | permalink |
You are a jewish girl from New York. So despite the fact that you are back with a farmer (who I am assuming is not jewish because what farmer is?) I want to ask you a food question: when making matzah ball soup, I know the soup can be frozen for weeks/months/ever, but how long can you keep the matzah balls in the fridge, and can you freeze and defrost them?
Congrats on compromising with the farmer.
Posted by Green on January 7, 2010 at 1:19 am | permalink |
I'm so happy that you and the farmer are back together and I am quite relieved that the pair of you reached a consensus- that you can continue writing about the famer subject to his final edits- that is amenable to your readers.
My favourite posts are the ones that are about your relationship with the farmer. And for some reason i think that the farmer is a very sexy man.
I hope it all works out for you guys.
Posted by Simone on January 7, 2010 at 1:38 am | permalink |
So very nice to find you out here in the blog world. Having read Pioneer Woman and not subscribed or kept up with her despite admiring her site and life and stuff, I can quietly whisper that I did, however, subscribe to you because I like what I found here.
I found a quote yesterday, you might like it too … 'It is problematic to assume that you can ask people to create and also to behave.'
David Whyte, poet and writer of prose.
I noted it for future 'discussions' with my Belgian bloke.
Posted by Di on January 7, 2010 at 2:02 am | permalink |
YAY! I'm glad to hear. Really, really glad. For your kids, too, who clearly liked the farmer.
Posted by Stephanie Hight on January 7, 2010 at 2:07 am | permalink |
I am a fan of love…therefore I am happy to hear that the man who makes you smile is back in your daily life. What I'm not a fan of is that you seem to have changed who you are to make him happy. What is he changing about him to suit your needs? He's the one that chose land over you. Isn't love about compromise? He wouldn't compromise his 'work' but he's happy with you compromising yours? Love makes you do crazy things…I've been there and done that. I hope he knows how lucky he truly is. It isn't every day you find someone who loves you enough to be someone whom they may not even be…just on a whim of being loved back. Take care. ~Jessica
Posted by Jessica on January 7, 2010 at 2:13 am | permalink |
Do what's best for you Penny. The world is an uncertain place and life is short…
My2centsworth
Posted by Dale on January 7, 2010 at 2:39 am | permalink |
P,
I am not sure why this post made me so uncomfortable.
Perhaps it is because my incredibly high level of respect for your insight is currently struggling with my tendency to lose respect for those who return to relationships that have repeatedly hurt them (esp. when they have a supportive network who wants to see them succeed).
And I quote, "If your boss loves you, stay. If your boss does not love you, assess where you went wrong, and decide if you can fix it. If not, it's quitting time."
Sub your boss with The Farmer, and I suppose you are seeing if you can fix it. But wait, haven't we already been through this? I don't see the part that says 'repeat assessing, trying and quitting – ad nauseum – until you have mashed your soul into a thousand pieces.' He’s not your boss. It’s his job to come to the table too.
Do me a favour, and prove my inner cynical naysayer wrong. I'm really glad he makes you feel loved, and I hope that over time the small "I told you so" in my head never has reason to surface.
Best of effort (because it’s not luck that runs a relationship, is it?).
Posted by Elizabeth on January 7, 2010 at 2:48 am | permalink |
Elizabeth, this is very perceptive observation. I also struggle with the many contradictions in the content of Penelope's blog. It's led me to completely dismiss her career advice — that and the fact that I think much of it is simply wrong and bad. Her self-diagnosis of Aspberger's has also clouded how I think about much of what I read here. Is her approach to a relationship problem — make myself more likeable — actually useful and healthy, or is it simply how someone with this kind of handicap must approach a relationship problem? When someone with Aspberger's yells and cries during conflict with someone, I think something different is going on with them than when someone without Aspberger's encounters the same situation. I haven't made up my mind about what to think about this, but I will say that I often feel the same kind of discomfort with these posts that you describe here. Thanks for naming it!
Posted by Dan Owen on January 7, 2010 at 11:15 am | permalink |
Dan,
You've certainly got me thinking. I'm sad to hear that you dismiss P's thoughts and advice due to her contradictions and self-diagnosis. Might I venture to say that the flawed and human nature of her blog is one of the reasons it is so successful?
I believe I meant to note the difference in approaches that P (along with many of us) use in our personal lives vs. our private lives. I have seen many people who are capable of being successful professionally, but when faced with a personal situation are incapable of having the self-respect required to demand a quality partnership.
As for her 'self-diagnosis of Aspberger's,' my opinion is this: If you are self-diagnosing as a method of excusing yourself, then I think you are abusing the system. If you are self-diagnosing in an attempt to better yourself, then go for it. I'd like to go on believing that Penelope falls within the latter group, but I must admit that I have noticed myself taking one or two of her posts with more of a grain of salt lately.
Thanks for the reply. It got me thinking about what I really meant.
Posted by Elizabeth on January 8, 2010 at 2:04 am | permalink |
Apologies. I meant 'professional lives vs. our private lives.'
Posted by Elizabeth on January 8, 2010 at 2:12 am | permalink |
Hooray! The farmer. I am super happy for you. I knew 2010 was going to be a good one.
Posted by Erin Lancaster on January 7, 2010 at 3:15 am | permalink |
Good luck with the farmer.
I had never seen the Pioneer Woman's blog before, what a flash blog. It looks very celebrity and plastic. I enjoy reading yours it is more gritty, more real.
Carole
Posted by Carole on January 7, 2010 at 3:24 am | permalink |
Congrats, if you want them, on getting back with the Farmer, and certainly good luck. I can appreciate the problems the pair of you share and hope you can keep working past them
Posted by Nick Hutch on January 7, 2010 at 3:42 am | permalink |
of course, i'm thrilled to hear you're back with the farmer [for the second time; first time, webinar]. but damn you, now, i've been unexpectedly sucked into that there pioneer lady's blog, with no hope of escape [before 3a, anyway].
AGHH! I love/hate you!
Posted by KristinCanWrite on January 7, 2010 at 4:27 am | permalink |
People with anger management issues, especially those who yell and rant a lot are VERY hard to deal with both professionally and personally. It causes havoc and makes everyone feel uncomfortable. It is impossible to have a rational conversation when someone is behaving irrational. A pyschiatrist referred to it as "emotional vomit".
I was married to someone with anger management issues, and his tirades were the primary reason I left. Aftewards, everyone who knew us as a couple, said the same thing. His anger made him completely unbearable at work and personally. Not one person told me the relationship was worth staying and fighting for. Had he not been a yeller, I imagine people's opinions of him would be different.
It is good to recognize this is an area of growth and development. Changing this one trait could be the single biggest gift you give to yourself and those around you. For those around you, it is the difference between walking on egg shells all the time, and creating meaningful, safe connections.
wishing you lots of luck!!
Posted by Syl on January 7, 2010 at 5:07 am | permalink |
You know, I used to read The Pioneer Woman all the time, but she lost me when she talked about the only pair of jeans in the world that she could possibly wear cost like $200. I don't begrudge her the $200 jeans – I just don't have much in common with someone like that. I realized she was only showing us the good stuff. If I want Cinderella, I'll watch Walt Disney (and even Cinderella had some tough times!). If I'm reading about someone's life, I want more truth, less fairy tale. I don't always agree with you or what you write or your personal beliefs, but I always feel like you're being honest about the hard stuff. Thanks.
Posted by Deb Joy on January 7, 2010 at 5:31 am | permalink |
I work with two women whoa re going to receive this post gift wrapped tomorrow … le
THANKS MATEY !!
Posted by le on January 7, 2010 at 6:24 am | permalink |
Fruit in beef stew is great.
Try chopped prunes. Keep the seasoning middle-eastern — garlic, cumin, coriander, cinnamon stick, cloves, turmeric, and maybe a bit of allspice and nutmeg. It will scream for chickpeas too. Raisins and chopped apricots also work.
Kitchens are for the courageous.
Posted by Nancy on January 7, 2010 at 7:33 am | permalink |
I too love the Pioneer Woman and her blog. But I like your blog even more because although secretly I strive to be as multi talented as the Pioneer Woman, there is a piece of her that in a way seems unattainable. The roller coaster of my life is not the same as yours but I hope that I handle the twists and turns as you do with bravery, consciousness, with humor and dignity. You convey this with your writing which is why I am hooked.
Posted by Kim on January 7, 2010 at 7:43 am | permalink |
Hello P.
I am happy for you and hope you the best with the farmer. Oh, and thank you for mentioning the Pioneer Women. I didn't know her and spent the entire afternoon yesterday reading her arlequin love story at work. Not good, you would say, but well, I really have nothing to do so it was better entertainment than refreshing the reddit page every 10 seconds! Anyway, I have been bothered by only one thing since I have been following your blog: the poll question! It's been the same question for months… So get ride of it or make a post out of it and ask another one. I am sure people love to give their opinion about stuff… Love, love your blog :-)
Posted by MaLo on January 7, 2010 at 8:00 am | permalink |
Here's what I don't want to say: You are a baby. It's about survival and you are not in Kansas anymore. I'm in his shoes in all ways except the cow and pig shit and the relatives. I have horses and a tight ass. There is no such thing as cowboy sex. I live just far enough from Madsion that I have to compete with everthing Madison has to offer and women have a drive fatigue factor that will last from 1 day to 1 year depending on desperation and how nice I am not at times. This is where honesty really sucks.
What I want to say: You are frickin persitant!
Posted by I want to race and ride and rope me a girl on January 7, 2010 at 8:05 am | permalink |
Penelope – ah yes, The Pioneer Woman. I run the website at a gift manufacturer (Blue Q), and one day we saw a huge spike in our numbers all due to…..The Pioneer Woman. She barely and briefly mentioned one of our products – a teeny tiny picture of one of our products. And tons of people flooded in to our site. I became obsessed – who is this woman who lives so perfectly in pastures with horses and men and home schooled children and has time to not only cook but take pictures of it and post it and have all these people follow it and follow everything she says?
But, please don't wish to be like her. Even though I too wish to be like her. And I adore her. At least I think I do. My friend got me her cookbook for Christmas and last night I sat on my freezing kitchen floor in New England and read the whole thing. But my face looked like I was trying to figure something out. Like she’s hiding something or she MUST be hiding something, no she’s certainly hiding something…..
I follow you too. You’re more like me. You question out loud.
If you wrote a cookbook I’d sit on the kitchen floor and read from cover to cover too. But I probably wouldn’t look like I was trying to figure out an algebra problem. I’d be like…..nodding….
Posted by Sara on January 7, 2010 at 8:27 am | permalink |
You're my favorite soap opera! And aside from that–and the joy I feel now that you and the farmer are back together–I so enjoy and learn from your endless cogitations. Love your candor and humor, too.
Posted by Kristin Ohlson on January 7, 2010 at 8:36 am | permalink |
Penelope, on the subject of anger management you might want to check out the nonviolent communication (NVC) process. The classic book on the subject is called Nonviolent Communication. But I'd recommend you start with Rosenberg's short and simple book on anger management; if you google "anger management rosenberg amazon" it should take you right to the book.
Someone above suggested meditation (not mediation). That's not as silly as it may sound, because meditation (some kinds anyway) is practice in being aware of what your mind is doing right now, and choosing to do something else with it. And that's the most important part of changing your interactions–noticing what you are thinking and feeling, and choosing to do something different. You don't have to sit cross legged on a cushion to practice that.
There's more I could say but if I do it'll turn into a whole post on the subject. Which gives me an idea–I think I'll write that post!
Good luck. And I hope this is of some help.
Kye
Posted by Kye on January 7, 2010 at 9:00 am | permalink |
Hi Penelope: Go easy on your farmer. My Farmer doesn't like to be identified in my blog or column (which appears in a chain of community newspapers) either. So I just call him The Farmer and if I include a photo I never show his face. Apparently he can be identified by his ass, however, as he is often recognized in our small town. By not identifying him, you can exercise delicious creative freedoms and shape him into more of a character. I'm sure the Marlboro Man isn't always studly, sexy, kind and fun. No cowboy can be up for it all the time. ;) Diana.
Posted by The Accidental Farmwife on January 7, 2010 at 9:27 am | permalink |
Penelope,
This is all good and well and the *right* things one *should* do, but let's face it, we each are born with our own inherent personality traits. Some inherited, some learned along the way. We can neither apologize for it nor continually blame some so-called diseases for it (come on ausberger is not crippling, I've a raised a son with this now new label and he is awesome so stop using the term). We are who we are. You cannot change what makes you the way you are anymore than I can. Strong, independent, mouthy women are great! Have you ever noticed how a man loves that quality and then gets upset because you actually are that? They can't have it both ways. Stop trying to conform. Yes be nicer if that is what you feel in your heart, but don't pay lip-service to it. It's disingenuous.
Posted by Mischa on January 7, 2010 at 9:45 am | permalink |
Ahhhh a new year and a new train wreck. I know, I know love is hard, all relationships require compromise….. Blah, blah, blah. I have a secret- that's total and complete bs dreamed up be people rationalizing staying in bad relationships. Marriage is work, if the courtship us this freaking hard-RUN!
Posted by Sara on January 7, 2010 at 10:18 am | permalink |
I'm glad to hear you are back with the Farmer. Ask the people dishing out advice how long they've been in a relationship and if they are in one now. There's always stuff that has to be worked out in my experience, which, by the way, is vast, incredible and has given me the ability to exude boundaries perfectly while baking pies and dancing backwards in high high heels. OK, the second part of that last sentence was complete bullshit. But still, I have to compromise with my friends and the people I work with too, so why wouldn't I do a little compromising with the person I live with unless we are just roommates but even then I'd have to (stop drinking my fucking juice, etc.)
Posted by Marie McHale Drake on January 7, 2010 at 11:13 am | permalink |
FYI – happily married 17 years. I stand by my advice – if you have serious compatibility issues BEFORE you have to deal with all the heavy stuff of marriage – get out before the prenup becomes relevant.
Posted by Sara on January 7, 2010 at 2:18 pm | permalink |
Hi Penelope—I just discovered your blog recently and I, too, am an immediate and fast fan. I am captivated by great storytelling, authentic voice, insight and – that secret sauce I can’t begin to attain in my own life let alone in writing – honesty (even when being honest might hurt someone else (my big sticking point). But in the end, it is the wisdom. What you uncover (and your community of readers take and turn over) about the hard business of living for the rest of us.
So this is what I gained from your post today. First, actually from your Thanksgiving post linked in this post:
I used to work at my grandma’s bookstore. I worked with a cousin—Laurie. She told me I should move to LA even though no one wanted me to. Everyone thought it was a crazy idea. But Laurie explained that the job of families is to keep you in line with the rest of the family, in a predestined path that is good for the family. And your job is to create your own path.
This insight was also a big aha moment in my own life (way back when), and it also puts the farmer’s dilemma in focus. I came from a family who had never been to college before, so when I graduated high school my parents wanted me to save money and live at home while taking classes at a nearby city college. I stood my ground in the face of great parental protest, went away to university and it changed my life in many ways, not the least of which was a gained confidence in my own ability to know what was best for me. The farmer is also creating his own path – with you. He shouldn’t doubt his direction.
I also relate to your issues with anger management and I will take with me Liz’s advice on anger management: yes, my husband of 24 years and I continue to try to control one another with a variety of strategies—and it is the failure of these strategies that causes my rage! I also know I have a difficult time knowing what I want, let alone articulating it. So I plan to practice her replacement strategy: stop, ask myself what I want, and then simply state it (there’s that honesty thing again).
And the equally tough challenge of stopping long enough to give myself however much time I need to figure it out (despite my inner critic who tells me I’m too slow).
Sorry this is so long – I’ll keep my comments shorter next time. Thanks again!
Posted by Denise on January 7, 2010 at 11:54 am | permalink |
Thank's for the Pioneer Woman link. Love it!
Posted by Catie on January 7, 2010 at 11:56 am | permalink |
I love your blog so much more than PW's, because you write real stuff about your very real life. PW is a good writer and not a bad cook and a truly masterful spin artist, but she doesn't grab me like you do.
Very happy to hear you're back with The Farmer :)
Posted by Elizabeth on January 7, 2010 at 12:00 pm | permalink |
oops – read over my comment again and realize there's a BIG mistake in first line (needed more coffee before I responded!): strike the word "not": I AM — a…fan!
geez…
Posted by Denise on January 7, 2010 at 2:12 pm | permalink |
Compromise is one thing, change is another. Any relationship that requires one partner to CHANGE is not built on the sturdiest of legs, I'm afraid. Be careful, Penelope.
Posted by prklypr on January 7, 2010 at 2:45 pm | permalink |
"and no kidding: the minute the farmer broke off my engagement I started thinking there’s gotta be a guy on her ranch who’s right for me."
Isn't Cowboy Josh single? :)
I read her blog all the time, mostly because I love her photos. And I really wish I could win something!
But I also get bored of everything always being rainbows and sunshine on the ranch. I'd love to hear just one complaint about her children or her marriage. Anything to let me know they're human. I do prefer gritty reality, because otherwise, I end up getting too depressed about all the grit in my own life. I want to know other people out there are struggling like me. Makes me feel like I'm not alone. So, I'm glad that's not your style. I enjoy what you write.
Posted by kari on January 7, 2010 at 2:49 pm | permalink |
I was shocked when I read you were back with the farmer. I actually hope your reconciliation leaves enough room for you.
Most of your charm is in the candid nature of your writing so I trust he has a light hand in editing.
Posted by Nancy Carroll on January 7, 2010 at 3:04 pm | permalink |
This is pretty amazing that people are so taken by your advice and insights. Your words have a lot of weight. I'm not sure if you are aware of the power and responsibility – how do you feel about that?
I would add to this post that the book by Dale Carnegie call How to Win Friends & Influence People really helped me out. Also, the book called Never Eat Alone is a great read.
Thank you.
Posted by Thanh Lu on January 7, 2010 at 3:54 pm | permalink |
When you mentioned Pioneer Woman's traffic and how she must be making a ton of money, I realized that I never actually GO to your site. You never get my traffic.
Why? Because I subscribe to your posts.
Maybe, to increase traffic from your die-hard readers who subscribe to your posts, you should only include a preview of the post in your subscriber email?
Then we'd have to come to the actual site to finish reading, and you'd get more traffic, and hence, more money.
Posted by K on January 7, 2010 at 4:02 pm | permalink |
PT: "it is absurd to be engaged one day and not engaged the next day."
Honey, it's not absurd at all. It's just life as it goes: it changes. When something (really) breaks up, one moment is whole, the very next moment it's broken.
Everything flows: one day I am alive, the next I could be dead. One day I am married, the next I could be divorced.
Everything changes and, often, we don't know when an abrupt change will come. But it will come, eventually.
Regarding the farmer "on-and-off" attitude ("I take you, I leave you…"), I think it's a different thing. That's not breaking up, that's the sign that something underneath is still unclear, hence provoking turmoil and ambivalence. It has to be understood.
Or, maybe, he's just not that much into you. Or, you both love each other, but you aren't compatible enough.
If this is really the case… ask yourself if you'd be willing to admit it.
PT: "what would be perfect is if I could be the Pioneer Woman"
I think the "Pioneer Woman" is nice. But I don't love her.
We love you, not her. Remember this, honey. ;-)
Posted by Prahlad on January 7, 2010 at 4:20 pm | permalink |
I want to comment about the issue of "control" that has been raised in many of the comments. I've been married to my husband for 26 years and we both find it amazing that we still genuinely like eachother. He's a marriage and family therapist so that has something to do with it, but not everything. Before I met him I dated a guy for a long time who was such a nice guy that he would always do whatever I wanted. He would defer to me in every way. I finally realized that not only was this boring, it also made me feel obligated to him. I never wanted to hurt him because he was so nice. It gave him control in the relationship because he never had to be the bad guy; he never had to claim responsibility for a decision. It also gave me control in our relatiionship. I would decide what we would do, who we would see, where we would go. But I didn't love him. When I met my husband I found that he had definite opinions about what he wanted/needed and he would not defer to me all the time. I was used to being in control and would attempt to exert control over him and the relationship and he was very capable of holding his own and not participating in that. We both needed a more balanced relationship where we are partners. One does not control the other. I came to realize that many relationships are about control. It seems to me that your relationship with the Farmer is also about control. He is trying to control you and you are trying to control him — each in your own way. The secret is to maintain a balance of power. If either of you wins, neither of you will be happy. You will continually try to control eachother because that is the game of relationships. But you also have to be careful not to push so hard to the degree that you bring out the figurative nuclear weapons and blow the relationship up to the point where it is unrepairable. That is what it appeared that you had done when you broke up.
One other thing — It's important to fully realize that your relationship is yours alone and completely. It is not his parents or his sisters or your friends or your blog family's. You create it to be what you want it to be. So take care to create something that reflects the best in yourselves and what you desire — not what anybody else thinks it should be.
Posted by Ann on January 7, 2010 at 4:49 pm | permalink |
This is amazing advice. Thanks Ann.
Posted by Kandeezie on January 8, 2010 at 11:12 am | permalink |
I love your writing- just because it is so genuine. Keep doing what you are doing. Its the imperfect that makes you so lovable…
Posted by SL on January 7, 2010 at 5:59 pm | permalink |
Could you share with us just one teensy tiny special moment where the farmer was amazing to you? Just so we have something 'good' to balance out the 'bad'.
Posted by Sandy on January 7, 2010 at 9:01 pm | permalink |
Pioneer Woman does indeed have an impressive blog – though it's kind of more an online glossy than a blog. However, you have a really great voice. That's why I love reading your blog. You're sharp and witty and wise. And human. And validating. Don't become Pioneer Woman. Stay Penelope Trunk.
Posted by heather on January 7, 2010 at 9:02 pm | permalink |
I kind of think Pioneer Woman is full of crap. Yeah, it's a fun dreamy read, but she is writing a fairytale. You are real. Real takes guts and courage. I respect real. I probably sound cynical, but I live in nyc and am divorced at 32, so what do you expect…
Anyway, I think you are wonderful. I think of you as a role model in many ways. Yes, I too would like to trade a day (or a year) with PW, but if I am honest with myself I don't think I could really stand being that content and would go crazy having everything too "perfect".
I'm not sure what is better sometimes – happy or interesting – I just hope to achieve a pleasant balance of the two.
Posted by Margaret on January 7, 2010 at 9:35 pm | permalink |
So happy for you, PT, and so happy to see the shout out to Oklahoma's favorite daughter, Ree.
Posted by jen on January 7, 2010 at 9:53 pm | permalink |
Dear P.,
I am very concerned about your plans to marry this man. He seems to break up with you often, and I have the agree with the person who wrote that this is a way to manipulate. I hate to see you go through the emotional stress of wondering when he is going to do it again. And what about after you are married? Is he going to ask for a divorce whenever things do not go his way?
Please ask yourself a few questions. Would you still be with him if you lived someplace where there were more men to choose from? Will you still want to be with him (and his family) after your children are grown? Are you tending to blame yourself whenever things go wrong, and undervaluing what you are bringing to the relationship, thereby putting yourself in a position of weakness? Do you believe that your individual set of challenges are worse than other potential mates?
I truly hope that you will value yourself enough to step back and look at the situation long term and objectively. This is difficult to do, but try to listen to the people who have your best interests at heart.
Best of luck.
Posted by Miss Joyful on January 8, 2010 at 2:04 am | permalink |
Penelope,
Congratulations! Both on getting back with your farmer, and of course for yet another good post with insight and help for others as well :) I wish you the best of luck and karma further on.
Posted by Jacob on January 8, 2010 at 4:05 am | permalink |
I wondered if you knew about The Pioneer Woman. It was the first thing I thought of when you got engaged to the farmer. So I got such a kick out of today's post. For everyone saying I love P's blog so much more than PW's…there is room for both. I enjoy both equally and every day for different reasons. Hey, so no dishing our Penelope and no dishing on The Pioneer Woman – they both are incredible women in their own right.
Posted by Betty in Munich on January 8, 2010 at 5:15 am | permalink |
I knew you guys would get back together. Nothing is cut and dry! Just take your time, this kind of stuff can't be rushed. :)
Posted by Liza on January 8, 2010 at 8:06 am | permalink |
Uh, could someone tell The Farmer to try to not see every discussion, issue etc as the reason for a "yes I want this relationship"/"no I don't want this relationship" decision? He might feel less stressed and avoid getting on that rollercoaster. Your decision not to give ultimatums to him (while also setting your own boundaries – what are you willing to put up with?) might help, but ultimately, this particular issue is his.
I used to be like this in relationships, and it made everything, everything, a big deal.
Just sayin'.
Posted by Jenny on January 8, 2010 at 9:39 am | permalink |
Oh Penn, you make me love you even more with every post you publish. It makes me so much more hopeful about the world and my life.
Posted by Kandeezie on January 8, 2010 at 11:07 am | permalink |
I love this post. And I love you together with the farmer. I have said before and will say again that I think you two obviously have such a special bond. And he seems like a really great guy, I have so much respect for his integrity and the way he conducts himself, the way you write about him makes him sound like such an honest, real (and studly) person. :)
But what I really want to do, rather than gush about how much I love your posts (because I do) and how each one teaches me something (because it does) is talk about the yelling. The anger. Because I had a very real problem with this too. It took me years in therapy to learn how to manage it.
First thing I learned was that people learn how to handle anger by how people around us handle it. When I was a kid, my parents kicked in walls and screamed and threw lamps across the room. I never saw anyone deal with their anger any other way.
Second thing I learned was that I tend to ignore my feelings until I get so upset that I eventually explode because I cannot help myself. I liken it to an "anger orgasm" — once it's coming, you cannot stop it.
I had to learn how to manage the intense emotions.
So it turned out here's what helps me with this intensity:
1. I learned that it's possible to be really angry, and not explode. But learning this was like learning how to straighten posture or learn a dance. I had to practice using another outlet over & over until it became easier.
Passionate people often feel things very intensely. It's a great trait in the bedroom but not so great at other times.
I kept reminding myself that anger mgmt was like learning piano, my fingers felt awkward and clumsy on the keys. But practice makes this easier. Plus now I understand how to recognize the heat rising so I can manage it before lashing out.
2. In order to do this, I had to recognize how I was feeling inside.
My sweetie and I have differing styles in fights. He likes to get answers & have a discussion but that makes me feel pursued. He would keep after me because he needed closure but I can't deal with intense emotions very well – like feeling I disappointed him or that he was upset with me. So I would eventually turn around like a caged animal and explode.
My counselor helped me realize when I am "turning off" and tell him I need a break.
My assignment is, when that happens, disengage and do something that completely distracts me because I tend to get into a terrible place once the switch is flipped. I want mull over how awful I am, how bad my relationship is, etc. until I'm feeling worse and worse and end up lying in a fetal position on the bathroom floor sobbing. (So pathetic, really, but I'm being honest here.)
So I subscribe to a funny newspaper ("the funny times") and when I this starts happening, I take a break and go look at cartoons.
It sounds ridiculous, but it keeps me from going into the animal part of my brain that wants to punish myself the way I feel I deserve, since I was abused as a kid.
Anyway, so here's the script that seems to work for me:
me: I need a time-out. I'm going to take some time alone but when I am done we can talk about this some more.
(The counselor explained that the reason my sweetie was pursuing me was because he needed closure and was afraid he'd never feel validated. So she said, in order to respect his needs too, take my time out and then go and find him later to try again, don't just drop the issue.)
Then I take my time-out: I go into the bathroom (that has always been my "safe" place). I bring some cartoons with me and just start reading. My heart's not in it at first but eventually I start to feel a tad better. Then maybe I write in my diary a little. Sometimes I write him a letter and that helps the best. I am so much better at writing out my feelings than talking.
It seems like it's hardest for me to pay attention to the knot starting inside so I am not surprised and overwhelmed by its presence all at once. But if I can, that really helps.
My anger has, at best, strained, and at worst, ruined every intimate relationship I've ever been in. So it's pretty important to address. I'm glad you're thinking about it.
Know that you're not a bad person for having this challenge. It shows tremendous growth that you would like to learn how to manage it. You've conquered so much, I know you can conquer this too.
hugs.
Posted by me on January 8, 2010 at 2:32 pm | permalink |
This is an odd thing to offer on a blog: an overture of friendship. But if you wanted to email me and use the intarwebs like a support network, I'd be happy to offer you my unjudgmental ear. You have offered so much of yourself via this blog, so much I have gained, that I hope I can contribute back either through comments or fledgling support.
Posted by me on January 8, 2010 at 2:36 pm | permalink |
Pioneer Woman has stunning photography. And she's fun to read…to a point. But the comments to her posts are totally BORING.
Penelope is very skilled at online conversation. She says just enough information to spark our interest but not so much that she says it all. She offers advice but leaves room for others to contribute. She taunts us with controversy and then sits back and watches us argue.
It's the back and forth conversation that make a blog interesting. I learn as much, maybe more, from Penelope's commenters as I do from her posts.
Posted by rennie on January 8, 2010 at 2:50 pm | permalink |
i dont know enough of all the deep insight here, but what about your 2 children who will NEVER be equal in this man's family with any other grandchildren? do you honestly think you are going to celebrate holidays and that your kids — they will never be his kids, or their grandkids — will be showed the same love and affection? step-cousins, in-laws will never like them or treat them in the way they do "blood". they have shown this to you, why dont you believe it? and this guy? he will never take your side over theirs, he will never fight for you. the family will never accept you wholly and fully. this family has made it clear they do not want you, they do not like you. Believe it. it might be cliche, but there is a maya angelou quote that goes something like "when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time". you are putting your children in line for more hurt, stress and disappointment for what? a penis?
Posted by amy on January 8, 2010 at 5:27 pm | permalink |
Thank you for writing a post that reinforces that communication is crucial to a relationship. I once dated a guy who overanalyzed everything and used all the game tactics you could think on girls. The result, of course, was that we only dating for about a month :-).
I am currently reading Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus. What a cliche, but it's that for a reason! It has helped me understand what men are thinking a lot more than any Google search of "why he's not calling me back." Men and women might hear the same things, but often interpret them completely differently. Unless we understand and respect these differences, communication can break down completely.
Here is an interesting article on "feel" vs. "think" that has gender implications.
Posted by Anonymous on January 8, 2010 at 6:29 pm | permalink |
I think the main reason why the farmer's family is giving him a hard time about your engagement and the farm is because they do not like you. Sorry to give it to you like that, but that seems to be the very obvious thing here.
Imagine if the farmer introduced a Stepfordish fiancee to them instead, the all sweet-sugar-and-spice-and-everything-nice kind of woman, and that's probably what they wanted for him, do you think this issue would be as big as they now raise it against you?
So it will probably help your case if you will try to be more likable to them too, not just to the farmer. But how much of you are you willing to change to do just that?
Posted by LDR on January 9, 2010 at 3:09 am | permalink |
Just to say I was always routing for and believing that you and the farmer were going to continue on your tortorious and divine path together – because in my mind, that's what great partnerships are about – and it seemed to me that you and the farmer, you're one of those. Hugs and toasts!
Posted by Annie B on January 9, 2010 at 10:48 am | permalink |
I read the Pioneer Woman's blog. Mostly it just made me feel bad about myself, like if I ever doubt My Man it's not True Love. F that.
Posted by AnonReader on January 9, 2010 at 11:45 pm | permalink |
Your last sentence made me smile. :-)
Posted by Andrea on January 10, 2010 at 2:43 am | permalink |
When I first started to read your blog – I thought Yikes! You are so transparent. My eyes had to adjust. Then slowly, well kind of slowly and kind of fast I discovered I really liked you!
Sometimes I wanted to hug you and ask “Have you considered radical acceptance?”
Today, I think you are on to something – radical honesty – delivering tremendous growth. You are brave. You go girl!
Posted by Sandy on January 10, 2010 at 3:32 pm | permalink |
Haha, I love the idea of having to read a blog post in order to be (more) likable… But I really love your blog posts, so I am up for it. :)
I agree with most of your pointers, too.
Posted by Lisa on January 11, 2010 at 10:09 am | permalink |
Another one of your laughable (and not in a good way posts).
Want to be more likeable, Penelope?
Stop framing everything in the world in terms of how YOU feel about it, how YOU think it should be, what YOU want, etc. Spend as much time trying to find out what others REALLY want and then honor it. Accept it. Don't "negotiate" so you still get what YOU want. You are so YOU centered it's unreal. And you still don't see it.
Stop justifying your selfish, self-involved, self-serving self. There are plenty of people like you in the world. Those easiest to "accept" (like would be too much) are those who don't pretend to be other than they are. Personally, I'd like you a lot more if you stopped acting as if you're really trying to accommodate others, because really it's Penelope's world or nothing. Call a spade a spade. I would not like you more, but I sure would respect you. Respect is better than like any time, but you don't get that.
You are who you are. It's not your insecurity or that you clearly have deep psychological problems (you've even admitted that), that is so offputting. It's your constant manipulations to get what you want thru your seemingly "honest" blogs. Your needs dominate your life and that of anyone else in it.
You continue to show little to no respect for the feelings and beliefs of others.
As others have said in the past: Get a life. Keep a private journal. You are exactly the kind of people who should NOT blog. It only reinforces your problems and you do nothing to get help. Blogging will NOT solve the many problems in your life, Penelope. Until you realize that, you'll continue to show that you have NO idea what boundaries are. Let alone respect anyone else's.
You're not a bad person, but you are a troubled one. And that's OK. But the way you act out in public? Not so much.
Oh, please, please, please. Way too much private information. Way too much. You used to have some mildy thought-provoking business-related articles. Those are long gone and now it's all your personal ramblings.
The people who read and comment? We're not your pals. We're not your friends. Maybe if you had some of those in real life (I can't remember. Have you ever written about any friendships? I rather doubt you have any since most people would NEVER allow themselves to be blogged about.) you would not have this need to just keep writing all this personal stuff in a public space.
Get help. Please.
Posted by Stella on January 11, 2010 at 4:16 pm | permalink |
I'm just catching up on my blogs, so naturally I visited here. I am very happy to hear you're back with the Farmer. I was pulling for you. BTW, the five points above are pretty good, too. :)
Take care of yourself!
Posted by Jennifer on January 12, 2010 at 1:52 pm | permalink |
for great blogs.
Posted by jon on January 12, 2010 at 3:01 pm | permalink |
I'm a new reader of the blog, and read this post and the comments eagerly, as I'm in a similar-sounding relationship but in the Farmer's position – my partner is the 'Penelope'.
I haven't read any advice or viewpoints here that I haven't heard from my friends, relatives and therapists, but there were good points that bear repeating. Oddly enough, though, I've realised I have something to contribute to the discussion.
First, I think the people who say the Farmer is being manipulative may be a bit off-base. As I said, I'm in a similar-sounding position to him. I love my partner passionately, but he has a temper, and I come from a peaceful family where there were rarely fights and never yelling. So for me, the fights have been very hard to deal with – and every one seems so extreme to me, because of the anger and the yelling, that I do tend to feel the relationship is finished afterward every time. I broke off our engagement last year after a fight. So, the Farmer's break-ups may not be a controlling behaviour… Only Penelope, who knows him, could say. And IF the Farmer comes from a peaceful family, this might be why they don't really like Penelope yet – she's just so different from them! My family are the same. They don't really get my partner and are worried he's bad news for me.
Second, there seems to be a pretty even spread in the comments between people saying 'Don't change' and people saying 'Relationships mean compromise'. I believe that both are true: the first position applies to basic personality, likes and dislikes, and the second to habits or character traits that aren't fundamental – and you can often tell the non-fundamental traits by the fact that changing them is beneficial for the person and would be even if it didn't affect the other partner. We've certainly found that. My partner is finding he's getting on better at work and is happier and less stressed in general since he's started using some strategies to deal with his temper.
Also want to add that after doing a lot of research into personality types and communication, I realise that, surprise, surprise, people are different and respond differently. My partner and I have found the Pace and Kyeli's online book The Usual Error incredibly helpful, particularly chapters 24 (on anger) and 16 (on postponing arguments until you're not angry, hungry, loopy or tired, aka HALT). The 'Five Love Languages' concept has also been helpful. I definitely need to read the Nonviolent Communication book that @Kye mentioned, and the Rosenberg one – thanks for the recommendation!
Sorry this has turned into such a mammoth comment, but I hope it sheds some more light. I've struggle sometimes with questions like, 'Should a relationship be so much hard work?', 'Does this mean we're not "Right" for each other?' and so 'Should I give up?'. I know I can't deal with constant fights (that's a no-compromise point), so at the moment we're working on making it to two weeks with no raised voices. Here's hoping – four days in and counting! Warmest wishes for you and the Farmer too, Penelope. I hope it all works out for you.
Posted by qv on January 13, 2010 at 3:24 am | permalink |
Just wanted to update this: so far, three weeks and no raised voices! Hooray! :)
Posted by qv on February 1, 2010 at 9:00 pm | permalink |
Oh yay! You and the farmer are back together. I'm so glad. I love love. So happy for you.
Posted by Nancy on January 13, 2010 at 12:27 pm | permalink |
P.S. Screw Stella. I like you just the way you are.
Your blog's audacious honesty is not only refreshing, I think it's needed in this falsey false world. Everybody acting like they're something they're not.
Look at Tiger Woods. He had a carefully constructed image designed to please and impress the entire world, and a staff of people to help him perpetuate it. Couldn't keep it up.
Honesty is not only easier, it's healthier. If Stella doesn't want to read it, guess what she can do.
And blog readers DO SO count as friends. I read it in Wikipedia.
Posted by Nancy on January 13, 2010 at 12:35 pm | permalink |
Penelope and the Farmer. The greatest love story every blogged. Yeah, we knew that a long time ago Farmer.
Posted by Shari on January 14, 2010 at 11:53 am | permalink |
I haven't read your blog in awhile because I was rather sad that you'd broken up with the farmer. I'm glad you're back together and you can tell him I said that! It's a sweet story and there are a lot of people who enjoy reading it — you paint a nice picture of him, even when things are difficult. I think he should let you continue writing about him (not that he really cares about my opinion).
Posted by nah415 on January 18, 2010 at 10:24 pm | permalink |
Tiger Woods Vs Penelope Trunk does not a good comparison make.
How could you validate that this brazen image, is just that, an image?
Posted by Melissa on January 19, 2010 at 11:10 am | permalink |
I love the Pioneer Woman for exactly the reasons you describe (she's a Midwestern dooce.com) but I love your writing precisely because it so elegantly speaks to total messes.
You know, the ones we all have. :) Thanks for that.
Posted by Sheila Scarborough on January 22, 2010 at 9:14 pm | permalink |
The farmer needs to drop you once and for all. He could do better than you.
Posted by M on January 25, 2010 at 4:08 pm | permalink |
Well I can agree with most of the points made hear except for the fact that secretive people are not liked. I think secretive people can be liked just as much if they are not forced to bring up things they do not want to talk about. I know that people are generally liked more if they are more open, but I also know that you do not have to be open to be liked. You can be a good listener and be liked extremely well jsut for that trait alone. People love to talk to people who show interest in them, even if they are secretive.
Posted by Rodney on February 1, 2010 at 8:40 pm | permalink |
This is my first visit and I really do like your candor and your transparency.
Great tips… and to be so genuine in your writing – I will be back.
Thanks for sharing!
Posted by Katherine SOLO dot MOM on March 2, 2010 at 11:31 am | permalink |
For a left brained mammal, you are very profound and deep. Thank's for sharing. "freak out in a moon-age day dream, oh yeah".
Donovan
Gotham, WI
Posted by Donovan Moore on March 5, 2010 at 1:44 pm | permalink |
I always wondered how to make myself more likeable. Or at least like-able. Then I decided to be real. I realized that there are people who will like me for who I am and some just have to deal with it.
I am always fascinated reading about you and the farmer and your feelings towards him. I think it's just amazing. Your personal posts are always the most interesting because they tell us that you're not perfect and at how perfectly you get by all these imperfections.
Posted by Jonha on March 23, 2010 at 6:21 pm | permalink |
Hi Penelope,
I totally understand why you like the Pioneer Woman. You sure want her life. You dream and maybe somehow pray that your life with the farmer would end up like hers. No Pen, you don't have to be like her. I was so engrossed to your blog through your real life stories and I would appreciate if you stay the same. No Pen, there's already Pioneer Woman, people already love you as the Career Woman.
Jonha
Posted by Jonha on March 23, 2010 at 6:35 pm | permalink |
Penelope,
Holy cow! How did I miss this? I just saw your blog post about the wedding and the pink floral-pattern boots. That is wonderful news! (The wedding, I mean.) Congratulations! Last I heard, you had broken up. I promise to read your blog posts more carefully.
Posted by Alan on April 14, 2010 at 6:09 pm | permalink |