When I was in the mental ward, it was mostly girls in their teens with messed up track records and eating disorders. But my roommate was from Kellogg, a top-ten business school.
I thought it was insane that she was there. She was so smart. She was going to be great at work. Her only problem was that her fiancée had just broken off their engagement. I thought she would be fine—there are so many other men to be had. But before I could ask her to explain, she tried to electrocute herself in the bathtub, with a blow-drier, and she was moved to the high-security ward.
That has been on my mind as my relationship with the farmer has unraveled.
Which makes me want to sleep.
I kiss my sons good night and then walk through a kitchen full of dirty dishes to my bedroom, thinking going to bed would be a good way to escape. But I can’t sleep. Probably because I used that trick earlier, when I came home from work and slept for a couple of hours before I took my son to cello.
I was not sad while I slept. But I was sad at cello.
Even since our first date, the farmer has said that he does not want to date me, but he does it anyway. Over eighteen months, we pretend things have changed, but really, here’s where we are:
The farmer owns about 100 acres on his own. He farms with his parents by putting his 100 acres with their 500 acres.
His parents have said that he will inherit the whole farm so he can keep farming the way he has, on 600 acres, for the last 20 years.
They do not want to guarantee that the farmer inherits the land. They say maybe they will give the farmer a guaranteed inheritance after they see if they like farming with him when he lives with me. They want to wait to see if I make their life hell.
I finally fall asleep and wake up to my seven-year-old saying, “Can you wake up? Is it morning? Can you ask [the farmer] if we can also have sheep when we move to the farm?”
“It’s not morning yet,” is what I tell him.
“Then can I sleep with you? And where is [the farmer]?”
“He’s not here.”
This is what I say. I’m not sure how long I can say it with any credibility. But luckily it’s the middle of the night, and my son is consumed with the idea of doing animal chores every morning with the farmer. My son has plans.
I lay in bed between my sons who realize something is wrong because ever since the farmer came into our lives, I’ve guarded my bed from them relentlessly, but tonight I let them in.
In bed I think about the farmer’s lawyer who says depending on farming land that the parents control is a totally insecure way to live. Our days with the lawyer are over, though. It cost the farmer $5000 and he has, literally, nothing to show for it. Only discussions with the lawyer about how the farmer has to leave his farm.
I lay in bed staring at the dark ceiling. The boys breathe heavy and warm in my ears and tears drip down my cheeks and when they pool in my ears they are cold. I tell myself over and over again that the farmer does not want to farm on his own land without farming with his parents. I have to accept this.
He asked me to move to his farm, with my kids, living alongside the risk that his parents will tell him that they hate me so much that he either has to get rid of me or stop farming with them.
So I won’t move there. Because I think that if the parents, down the line, hate me enough to force the farmer to choose me or the farm, he’ll choose the farm. So I figure he should just make that choice now, before I move to Darlington, WI with my kids.
And he’s picking the farm.
Did you see the movie Monsters vs Aliens? The girl who turns into a monster breaks off her engagement because her fiancée is a jerk. I wish I could become a monster. I wish I thought the farmer was a jerk. I wish this were a movie, and my kids scratched the disc, so we’d have to stop watching, because the end of this is too scary.
The next morning, I wake up at 5am because I’ve been waking up on farmer time for so long. I sulk for an hour and then the kids wake up. I make lunches, make breakfast, make beds, make jokes (the knock-knock kind) and the kids are happy, and it makes me feel like I’m doing something right.
I went to the book fair at the school the night before. We take out one of our new books and I think maybe the kids are having a charmed life and I am overestimating the impact of farmer abandonment.
Then my four-year-old says, “Mom. Look!” and he shows me an eraser in the shape of an ice cream cone.
“Did you take that from the book fair?”
“Yes. Aren’t I sneaky?”
“No. It’s stealing. I told you we’re only buying books. That means you can’t take anything else.”
We talk about stealing. My seven-year-old asks with eyes full of glee if his brother will be going to jail.
We finish breakfast and I tell myself not to think about the farmer. I tell myself to focus on making the returning of the eraser a good lesson about fairness.
I would like the farmer to sell his 100 acres to his parents, who are willing to pay cash for market price, and then buy a farm somewhere else, so that we start fresh, together. I told him I’d move anywhere in the world that he wants.
He wants to stay right there. With his parents.
In the car, on the way to school, I tell myself it’s hard to be sad over losing someone who is choosing to farm with his parents over starting a life with me. But I'm distraught over telling my kids that the guy they have completely bonded with is going to disappear.
Proving that kids know everything, even stuff they don’t understand, my seven-year-old catches me off guard with his backseat chatter: “Who is coming to your birthday party next week?”
My four-year-old chimes in with a list of his own friends.
I say, “You two are my best friends. So I think it’ll be a party with us.”
The seven-year-old says, “What about [the farmer]? You love him, too, and he loves you.”
I turn the music up too loud.
I need to find some child psychologist to tell me how to tell the kids what happened to the farmer. So when they clamor for the Beatles I put on Ob La Di, Ob La Da, and the kids sing out loud. When I have been pretending that things are fine with the farmer, Ob la di seemed like Paul McCartney’s sunny summary of marriage and kids. Now the song feels like John Lennon’s ironic jab at the morons who think marriage ever works out to be happy.
I drop the kids off. Psychology Today says that depression is contagious and you usually get it from your mom, so I try to be extra chirpy during drop off. Except when we are returning the eraser.
I only go into my office when I have to, and today I have to because we are having an all-day meeting with the CEO who has flown in from DC.
We are talking strategy and he says that startups are always changing. The strategy changes, the tactics change. He says it has happened at every startup he’s ever had.
I console myself that he’s had two, huge exits. I hope that the rule of past performance predicting future performance will skew more toward his former exits than mine.
I try to focus. I wonder if they can tell when I am thinking about the farmer and when I am thinking about the company. Sometimes, when I think I cannot get myself back to thinking about the company, I excuse myself to go to the bathroom. I try to say smart things every now and then. I want them to think I’m smart.
I hope I am an exception to the rule. For broken engagements. For single parenting. For startup exits.
But I know that none of us is an exception to a rule. We are just regular. And another rule is that we are all lost sometimes, and being lost is okay. I am lost right now. I don’t know what is happening in my life, and I am scared to think of any of the reasonable outcomes.
But I actually know a bit about being lost. I’ve been through it before. I have been jobless, and I’ve figured out what’s next. I’ve hated my career, and I figured out how to switch. I’ve been dumped many times by many men, and I’ve always thought no one would ever love me, and I always fall in love again.
But there's no magic solution. Being lost cannot be avoided. The best thing to do is to try to focus on something else. I know from past experience what works: Reading, writing, cuddling with the kids, dating men who write good emails, and cooking recipes that call for lots of sprinkles.





I'm so sorry, Penelope. You and your boys deserve someone who chooses you.
Posted by p on December 4, 2009 at 4:53 pm | permalink |
My sentiments exactly
Posted by J (the regular) on December 7, 2009 at 10:00 am | permalink |
P, I'm in a similar situation (though 25 so the stakes and consequences are different of course) so I can definitely feel for you. Friends have been telling me regularly that everything will be ok. I know that, but know I will also need to be lost in between now and things being ok. Good luck!
Posted by Claire on December 4, 2009 at 5:00 pm | permalink |
I'm sorry too, but I agree with the first commenter. You deserve someone who chooses you. As for your kids, there's no perfect way to tell them – just tell them and give them hugs and dinner.
Posted by Shandra on December 4, 2009 at 5:03 pm | permalink |
Now let's skip all those comments from people who will want to tell you about how you should have / should not have acted.
The boys will adjust to the situation, it may take soms time depending on their age and flexibility, but you chose to share your happiness and life decisions with them and that can never be the wrong thing to do.
The farmer is the one that made the mistake about wanting to marry you without solving his home/work situation that is hostile to anyone marrying into that and that is unfair to the boys too. You shouldn't have to deal with criticism towards him too though.
Posted by Mascha on December 4, 2009 at 5:36 pm | permalink |
::sigh:: This post makes me both angry and sad on your behalf. And helpless that I'm unable to help. So I'll just send some good karma your way.
Posted by stephanerd on December 4, 2009 at 5:49 pm | permalink |
This is the best post you've ever written. Your voice is always authentic and genuine, but this really takes the cake for my favorite article from your blog. And that's possibly because I know how it feels.
So thank you for sharing with us about all of this.
Posted by Mneiae on December 4, 2009 at 5:50 pm | permalink |
I agree. It feels more human and less Hansonian than some of your other posts (e.g. miscarriage). It may not help expand my worldview, but it does make me more sympathetic.
Posted by Master of None on December 8, 2009 at 2:09 pm | permalink |
Were this a novel I would be swept up by the language and be happy for the beauty of your communicated sorrow. Since it is your life I only wish I could make you some food. And find some different answer. What is it about your posts that calls out the mother to save you?
Posted by LPC on December 4, 2009 at 5:59 pm | permalink |
This guy has been jerking you around since day 1. So his parents are controlling him and he needs to be with someone who will let his parents control. Good luck to him with that, I guess.
Posted by CCS on December 4, 2009 at 6:01 pm | permalink |
This is absorbing and affecting, but if you want to sustain romantic relationships with men like The Farmer (indeed, with most men), you will have to stop discussing them in your blog.
Posted by David on December 4, 2009 at 6:04 pm | permalink |
David,
The author was a blogger before meeting the farmer. The farmer was a farmer before meeting the blogger. The two are not going to change. Both of them should know this going in. If being a blogger is an issue I say don't date bloggers because you will get written about on the internet.
Posted by Nannette on December 5, 2009 at 5:44 am | permalink |
Well, doggies,
This a well written, vividly illustrated example of, "the gulf". We menfolk here (Charlie the Cat and myself) can't fathom how a charming, hyper-intelligent tornado of Jewish quirkiness could be left behind for land, Livestock, and legacy.
On the other shore of the chasm, we have a gentile agribusiness family enterprise whose culture places near infinite value on the continuity of the legacy; no relationship takes primacy over, "the land".
As for me, I have gathered much information. I know now, due to your vivid rendering, that my ideal imprint, if G-d willing I get out there and find a potential mate – will be like you P-Lope = Impossible to predict, crazy smart, creative, funny, quirky, shocking, and altogether preposterous and impressive in every way.
Think I can find her on Craig's List…hmmm, not so sure. eHarmony? I thow my shoes at the their TV commercials.
You survive, lady, damn-it, don't let the profane culture of the insular agricultural clan kill you, G-d forbid, heaven forfend, Gevald, Gevald. Have we not been witness to sufficient reproofs and tales of your legit problems that have assailed us?
I hereby toast you, Gal, by raising my bottle of Antidepressants high and doubling the dose in your honor.
My name is Alan Wilensky, I was divorced in 1999 from my great love, and I have not had a partner since, in any shape or form. You read that right.
L'Chaim.
Posted by Alan Wilensky on December 4, 2009 at 6:10 pm | permalink |
:D Great comment!
Pen (lope-less, however)
Posted by Pen on December 6, 2009 at 6:41 am | permalink |
oy, you said a mouthful, and like the brother all of us want when something like this hits us in the face, and we're standing there with cartoon stars circling our head, disoriented, distracted.
you hit it on the head–p fell in love with the farmer, but he came with a clan. some men in some milieu can show up on their own, but he chooses to drag the whole mishpocheh with him, rendering the transaction impossible without their input. when dylan says "don't ask why" he knows from this kind of mangle.
penelope, sister, i wish i was somewhere in the county. i'd come over with an armload of covered dishes, hose down the kitchen, and distract the children such that you could lay in bed and cry this one out for as long as you need. i don't have children, but i can imagine that it's difficult to give yourself to the full experience of sadness around them. doing so might help you find the right way to explain the complexity of adult relationships, and why they sometimes don't work.
you're smart, and yes, as always, you'll get through. but not one of us who has experienced this needs to tell you what you should have done. i was so very sad to read this, and i send you my warmest thoughts in this cold hour. needless to say, if the insanity of our fair city can be any salvo to you, we welcome you here.
Posted by thatgirlinnewyork on December 9, 2009 at 11:53 am | permalink |
I am sorry you are going through this. Thank you for sharing your heart with us, again. It helps the rest of us to feel like we are not exceptions to the rule, either.
Posted by Amy on December 4, 2009 at 6:27 pm | permalink |
I'm de-lurking to say that I don't even know you and I want to cook you a meal and make you go for some exercise to cheer yourself up. I don't know what you should do or not do, but I know you will figure it out. We are all pulling for you. Well, those of us who keep coming back, I mean.
Posted by Laura on December 4, 2009 at 6:27 pm | permalink |
P- I am so sorry. Time does heal all wounds but boy that time can be painful
Posted by Amy on December 4, 2009 at 6:28 pm | permalink |
So sorry. That sucks. No one deserves to be on the wrong end of someone else's "Sophie's Choice."
Posted by Leah Weiss Caruso on December 4, 2009 at 6:31 pm | permalink |
I'm so sorry this is happening to you. Heartache is one hell of a lonely feeling. We are all thinking of you, so know that you are not alone. And we root for you. For whatever may be. And eventually (when you get to it) in hindsight, things always work out. Hang in there, things will find a way.
Posted by calisara on December 4, 2009 at 6:43 pm | permalink |
When we read Romeo and Juliet we think to ourselves that our families wouldn't be that way, but in truth, our families will be that way if they feel threatened by someone who's sufficiently different and it's a real-life tragedy. No playing around with pretending to be dead, please. The little boys will be wounded but they will be more resilient adults. Eventually. Sigh. Sob.
Posted by Theresa Quintanilla on December 4, 2009 at 6:51 pm | permalink |
good point. but the more i think about it, it's probably less about who penelope is, and more about the fact that the farmer's family doesn't trust him, no matter who he chooses to marry, because it's all about them. when/if he wakes up to that, he'll be either forced to seek control for himself, or he'll live in a pool of resentment for the rest of his days, subconscious or otherwise.
Posted by thatgirlinnewyork on December 9, 2009 at 11:59 am | permalink |
Do you know Penelope! My name is Raul,I'm from Brazil and I've been follow your blog for the last few months regularly and never did a comment, but today I will. I'm not psycologist and like others I am so sorry, perhaps, not from you, but to the farmer. Coz, He didn't realize how much He might lose to choose the farm and his parents and not you!
Posted by Raul on December 4, 2009 at 6:52 pm | permalink |
At any other point in my life I would have given you chin-up, guy-in-the-next-port advice. But I've spent so much of 2009 in tears over the same situation that people think I have terrible allergies. That hollow, sad feeling is just that: a hollow, sad feeling. You already know that sleep, activity, and time are the great clotted trifecta of healing.
Despite all logic to the contrary, the kids will be OK. All they really need to know is that you're not going anywhere.
Posted by Robin on December 4, 2009 at 7:08 pm | permalink |
This must have been a tough choice for you to make in the first place and to ask the farmer to choose now, but you know it's the right thing to do and that's what matters. I am sorry it turned out that way. I am sure it is for the better in the long run.
Posted by Tanya on December 4, 2009 at 7:08 pm | permalink |
since so many people have already said i am so sorry i wont say that, but i am. I liked the farmer and considering all that you have gone through you needed his kind of stability. I am a recent reader of your blogposts and sometimes i think you can understand the 20-somethings because maybe you never grew out of your quarter life crisis. I just hope that this does not lead to anymore of the self-destructive things that you have done. I am sounding patronising and like i know you, but i dont. Just consider this something one lost person would say to another.
Posted by Siddharth sarda on December 4, 2009 at 7:21 pm | permalink |
Thanks for sharing from your heart. Sending positive energy your way.
Posted by Dan on December 4, 2009 at 7:23 pm | permalink |
Great writing. Thanks.
I'm sorry things are dark for you and your kiddos right now. That sucks.
You're in my thoughts; I wish you well.
Posted by Ann on December 4, 2009 at 7:43 pm | permalink |
I'm so sorry, Penelope. You are always authentic and vulnerable, but this is the most human of the many heartwrenching Brazen Careerist posts you've written.
Totally not to play down reality, but San Jose Mercury News had an article on Farmville yesterday http://www.mercurynews.com/search/ci_13911507?IADID=Search-www.mercurynews.com-www.mercurynews.com. In it, Mark Pincus, founder and CEO of Zynga (the FarmVille software company), indicated "male players are generally driven by building a booming agribusiness, Pincus said, female players are more likely to design colorful, vibrant, playful farms."
Sadly, real-life imitates virtual world in this case with the farmer. But the flip side of FarmVille is that it affirms you as one colorful, vibrant, and playful.
Let me reassure with Robert Frost who said, "I can sum up in three words everything I've learned about life: 'It goes on.'"
Posted by Ernest on December 4, 2009 at 8:11 pm | permalink |
Thanks for sharing, your story is always an inspiration, even at times like this.
Posted by Natalie on December 4, 2009 at 8:14 pm | permalink |
I appreciate that I don't really know you and all that – but when I read a post like this – it reminds me how much you are like my sister. Please, please, please – MOVE on. I know you're hurting. But the red flags have been waving for a while on this guy. Your kids deserve better. I'm phrasing it that way to hope to make an impact – think about it – I know you may struggle with self esteem issues – but YOUR KIDS DESERVE BETTER than this guy.
Posted by Sara on December 4, 2009 at 8:23 pm | permalink |
oh my but your are strong.
Posted by frugalapolis on December 4, 2009 at 8:35 pm | permalink |
You really should avoid Thanksgiving… That's what set this off, right?
Call in sick next time anyone asks you to meet their (critical) family.
Posted by MichaelG on December 4, 2009 at 8:41 pm | permalink |
I am so sorry, and I agree with everyone who said that you deserve better. Good for you for being strong enough to find out where he stands now, and not put yourself and your boys in the position to lose your home because of hostile family dynamics.
But mostly I want to say that I absolutely love your list of "what works. I am putting it in a safe place, because I know that it will be just what I need some day.
Posted by Jess on December 4, 2009 at 8:46 pm | permalink |
Hang in there Penelope.
Posted by Noelle on December 4, 2009 at 8:48 pm | permalink |
So sorry things are not working out. I am a recent discoverer of your blog. When I read your tweet about there being trouble in Farmerland, I kept returning to see if you had blogged with more detail. When I read this blog, all I could think was awwwwwww. Hugs to you and the boys.
Posted by kat on December 4, 2009 at 9:04 pm | permalink |
The magic pill is to wait.
I'm sorry it turned out this way.
Posted by Jim on December 4, 2009 at 9:17 pm | permalink |
Agreed! time is the magic pill. Your rainbow at the end will be born of this self reflection:
I’ve been through it before. I have been jobless, and I’ve figured out what’s next. I’ve hated my career, and I figured out how to switch. I’ve been dumped many times by many men, and I’ve always thought no one would ever love me, and I always fall in love again.
Posted by karen on December 5, 2009 at 9:06 am | permalink |
Leaving him is the right thing. When you get married, your spouse becomes your primary family, more important than your birth family. If farmerzilla already couldn't break that tie, he never will. Sad that his parents can't let him live his own life, but he is too weak to have a partner like you. (and he doesn't deserve your love)
Posted by lola on December 4, 2009 at 9:39 pm | permalink |
Hi Penelope. My heart goes out to you. I feel lost, too. I try to distract myself with the good I already have in my life. It sounds like you're doing the same. You have an open invitation to my Chicago home anytime.
Posted by Joanne on December 4, 2009 at 9:56 pm | permalink |
Penelope, I'm wondering why you two are no longer together. He was with you when you blogged about the men you slept with; how you can't process things well do to Asperger's Syndrome; he stuck by you while you couldn't pay your electric bill (but flew from Wisconsin to L.A. to get your hair done — do you think he thinks you may be bad with money?
The farmer stood by you as you told us strangers about the abortions you had (including your desire to not have the farmer's kid), and as you tweeted about having a miscarriage in a meeting!
Why would he leave you after all you went through together?
Posted by ziggy on December 4, 2009 at 9:59 pm | permalink |
You are so worried about your boys being hurt and that is what love and family is. You don't want them to grow up being exposed to the farmer's hateful family. You and your children deserve so much better than that. I wish the best for you all.
Posted by RS on December 4, 2009 at 10:22 pm | permalink |
Why do his parents hate you?
Posted by Dan Owen on December 4, 2009 at 10:30 pm | permalink |
I kinda understand that Farmer's parents are trying to protect the family assets but the outcome is a bit disturbing: a grown up man who has his personal/financial life hanging on his parents approval. This is way too adolescent. I'm sure nobody is consciously trying to ruin anybody's life, however, Mom and Pop should be less controlling, Farmer should be more mature (not for your sake but for his own), but this is real life so you should be glad. You honestly think your love – any love – would survive to this environment in the long run?
That being said, I'm deeply sorry for you and your babies. Be strong. Wish you all the best.
Posted by Ana on December 4, 2009 at 10:31 pm | permalink |
Ana, you're wrong. The farmer isn't a grown up man. He's still a boy, tied to his mama's (and sister's) apron strings.
Posted by sL on December 4, 2009 at 10:42 pm | permalink |
He'll be back again, promise! He can't get enough of you…it will just come down to your decision of whether or not you want to continue to mess with his inability to be a man. Yeah farmer you heard me – I know you read this stuff.
What bothers me the most is he was all worried about looking whipped when you wanted to hold his hand at that fair so long ago. But it when it comes to cutting the umbilical cord, it appears that he is still suckling from his mother's teet.
We both know that's not the case – the farmer is stuck with one mindset that long term security can only come from his inheritance. Unfortunately, based on your other post about the family dynamics it sounds like the parents use the promise of inheritance as a bargaining chip to keep him subservient to their own whims and wishes…which is no different than a father telling their child that they won't pay for their higher education unless they make the grades and attend the college of their parents choice.
I know it's hard right now P, he will be back…you rock his world – he won't admit it, but you do, he's drawn to your fire. Find something to distract you for now…but take this time to decide if you keep wanting bang your head against this wall. Understand that if you marry into this family, they will be a constant pain in your ass. Whether you like it or not, they will be part of the package deal. He will never let them go until they pass on to a new plane of existence.
Posted by Shawn on December 4, 2009 at 10:45 pm | permalink |
I was sort of on a roll, being more chatty in the comments section. But tonight, I am just so sad. I don't know what to add to the comments, even though I have read them all three times because the only other thing there is for me to do tonight is mope.
The conversation about what, really, is going on here is so helpful to me. Thank you.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on December 4, 2009 at 10:56 pm | permalink |
WOW. How sad. My heart goes out to you and your boys and the incredibly difficult conversation you'll have to have with them. But the bottom line is they have you, always, and in the end that may be all they really need.
I have to say, a man who allows his parents to use their stake in his current livelihood and future inheritance as leverage to control his personal life (so what if they hate you? don't all of us have to deal with relatives we can't stand?), rather than entertaining any one of a few seemingly viable options (like getting your own farm) is not the right man for you.
I'm so sorry.
Posted by Andrea on December 4, 2009 at 11:00 pm | permalink |
This is tough and you deserve love, happiness and someone who will stand by you. Thank you for your open heart. Thinking of you and the kids…
Posted by Marsha Keeffer on December 4, 2009 at 11:04 pm | permalink |
A long long time ago, I told a boy, through a downpour of tears, that I didn't want to go to Prom with him…because I knew in my heart that he didn't really care if he went with me or not. I told him I wanted to go with someone who wanted to go with me. I had this conversation when I was 17, and now two decades later…I've found that I've had the exact same conversation (with different boys, and different companies) many many times. And you know what? – it gets easier every time. 17 year old me was wise and I didn't even realize it.
Posted by LN on December 4, 2009 at 11:15 pm | permalink |
I've read all the comments so far and I like this one the best. Excellent. I only wish I had been so smart at 17. Took me 22 years longer.
Posted by Nannette on December 5, 2009 at 5:53 am | permalink |
Oh, Penelope.
I've lambasted you lots of times when I think you're being insane but today, my heart breaks for you.
Nothing is really going to take away that sadness for now, but I don't think anyone should have to work as hard to make someone love them as you have with the farmer.
You deserve someone who would sell their farm a million times over just to be with you. And your boys will be just fine, because you are teaching them an important lesson.
And that lesson is don't settle- and if you stayed with the farmer when he's willing to make so little sacrifices to be with you, it would be settling.
Things will be okay P. x
Posted by Jessica on December 4, 2009 at 11:21 pm | permalink |
Dear Penelope,
I appreciated the link to the Psychology today article, it really resonated. I've been wrestling with whether to break up with my sweet and optimistic boyfriend, because he never seems to get how hard my life is. Now I realize that instead I need to focus on breaking with old depressive patterns. It is touching how much effort you are making to protect your kids from feeling hurt.
Only found your blog this week, and it's a gold mine of real advise, inspiration, and common sense.
Thank You!
Posted by Alizah on December 4, 2009 at 11:38 pm | permalink |
I've never commented because I don't have anything to add, but I wanted to say that I'm sorry you are having to deal with all of this. I really enjoy your writing (especially the posts lately about Aspergers), and it hurts me to see anyone have to deal with this kind of thing.
I know farmers, and the lifers are all like that – more attached to the land than anything. In a way it makes sense – they've poured their blood, sweat and tears into that particular plot of land their whole life. They are very emotionally invested in it. But logically it makes no sense at all. What difference does it make where you farm? And how could a grown man let his parents influence his adult relationships so much?
Obviously I don't have the answer (I don't know that anyone does), but I want you to know that I'm thinking of you and your boys. Good luck.
Posted by Becky on December 4, 2009 at 11:56 pm | permalink |
Hi, Becky. Thank you for the comment. The part about farmers — how that's how they are and it doesn't make sense. I appreciate that insight. I will probably use it to second-guess all my actions, but I was second-guessing anyway. Now, at least, I have more info.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on December 5, 2009 at 12:04 am | permalink |
I have to agree with Becky. I am married to a farmer and know just how emotionally attached he (and his father and his grandfather) is to the land he farms. To his family, it is so much more than dirt (pardon me, SOIL…I'm still corrected on that after 20 years) that grows crops…it is their past, present and future. I am so sorry, Penelope.
Posted by M on December 6, 2009 at 1:10 pm | permalink |
Penelope–I am SO grateful to have found your blog–I received a link from someone on the Preemie List serv (a significant number of preemies are on the autism spectrum and I have two of them.) I'm also a therapist with a growing client population diagnosed and seeking treatment and help with Asperger's. Your experiences, insights and observations are making a huge difference in people's lives and I send many people your way. What a great resource and encouragement you are to people who often feel hopeless, misinterpreted and misunderstood. Thank you for baring your soul and your story. You will make it through this but it will hurt for awhile and you will grieve. My heart goes out to you and your boys.
Posted by Suzanne on December 5, 2009 at 12:06 am | permalink |
Suzanne knows of what she speaks. Unless you grew up on a farm, as I did, and were raised always knowing that you would be taking over that farm legacy, you cannot understand how important their farm is to a farmer. When I met my husband I explained to him that I would always be living on this farm and there was no point in us dating unless he would be willing to live on the farm. Our prenup protects the farm in case our marriage does not last. If it did not I could not have married him. It is hard to explain, but I honestly feel if I did not have my farm I would cease to exist. I would endure any fight or struggle to keep my farm in my family, even if I couldn't live there myself. You can say the farmer is immature or pathetic for choosing his farm, but he really has no choice. A farmer's land and legacy is his blood. No other farm will do. For him to give up his farm, or for his parents to risk losing it to someone who doesn't feel the same way about their farm, is equivalent to asking someone to give away their child or trade them for a stranger's child – unthinkable, impossible, unimaginable.
Posted by Kelly on December 12, 2009 at 2:39 am | permalink |
Penelope. Your situation sucks.
The problem with your relationship is that you are a pioneer, while the farmer is a member of the landed class. Your kind strikes out on their own with nothing but their wits, and scrimps and hustles to make a life for themselves. Your kind of people are what made the USA the great nation that it is today. You break all of the tacit social rules and traditions along the way.
His kind of people are stable and conservative and build wealth slowly over generations, or lose it slowly over generations. It means that there are strict boundaries of who can breed with whom, property rights, and inheritance rights. His parents are unlikely to support somebody like you who has a statistically low probability of delivering a biological heir to their estate. His kind of people conserve and preserve the old traditions, good or bad. The British Royal family, wealthy Indian business families, and many agrarian rural societies hold these values. His kind of people sometimes breed pioneers, and these are the ones they have to cut off. I don't think he is a pioneer, nor does he want to become one. If he was a pioneer like you, he would stop farming with his parents and risk forfeiting the inheritance to follow his dream, even if that dream is starting his own farm from scratch.
The ironic thing is that his ancestors were the pioneers who settled Wisconsin. Such is life.
The question you have to ask yourself is if you are willing to become one of the landed class. Your previous blog postings suggest that your family was somewhat landed with considerable wealth at their disposal over a few generations. You forfeited it to follow your dreams. On the other hand, you are over 40, and might just be ready to settle down, but I don't think so.
He'll never respect your pioneering tendencies and you will probably never defer to his "landed class" tendencies. That is the situation you have to deal with. Good luck.
Posted by Jay Godse on December 5, 2009 at 12:27 am | permalink |
Please don't give up writing what you want to write, how you want to write it. I'm a writer, too, and it's hard to make the choice to threaten my relationships by writing about them. In the end, I would rather be a good artist than a good girlfriend. I would be less than my whole, best self if I didn't make that choice.
It's hard, hard to find a partner who can be brave enough to support you being your whole, best self even though it sometimes causes them pain. But just like the men and women who climb Everest, ride motorcycles, play pro football, and go to Afghanistan, and who cause pain, suffering and worry to their partners and families by doing these things, we would be less if we were not brave enough to do them, and we are worthy of partners who can deal with it.
Posted by Allison Williams on December 5, 2009 at 12:49 am | permalink |
I know less than nothing about farming, so maybe this is a dumb question, but why would the parents hate farming with the farmer if you lived there? You're not expected to pick apples out on the farm with the parents, right? So you wouldn't really be involved in the farming at the level the farmer is, right?
I am sorry you're hurting.
Posted by Green on December 5, 2009 at 1:02 am | permalink |
Some men are pigs, farmers included.
It sounds like the farmer is immature and not willing to take on any of the risks of being in a relationship. While family is important, his parents are wrong for using their farm as golden handcuffs to control their adult son. One day they will be gone, and he will be alone on his farm w/600 acres, wondering what could have been w/Penelope and her boys. And it will be too late b/c Penelope will have moved on & will be with someone that has made her a priority in his life.
I know it hurts now, but this too shall pass & each day it will hurt less. Surround yourself w/your loving boys, friends, family & your reader/subscriber/follower supporters.
Hang in there, Penelope…you are a superstar!
Posted by Donna on December 5, 2009 at 1:17 am | permalink |
Hear Hear Donna! This line sums it up best:
One day they will be gone, and he will be alone on his farm w/600 acres, wondering what could have been w/Penelope and her boys. And it will be too late b/c Penelope will have moved on & will be with someone that has made her a priority in his life.
Remember that P. You are making the right choice.
Posted by J (the regular) on December 7, 2009 at 10:18 am | permalink |
*hugs*
Posted by Philip on December 5, 2009 at 1:19 am | permalink |
Penelope, I'm heartbroken for you. The farmer sounded great. I am so, so, so sorry. I'm sending you and your boys the biggest hugs!
Posted by Natasha Fondren on December 5, 2009 at 1:34 am | permalink |
I'm sorry you won't get your wish to live on a farm with the farmer you love, but there will be other farms/farmers for you if you want them. In an ideal world, you loving someone and them loving you back would be enough, but sometimes things just don't work out the way we think they should.
I think it will make things slightly easier on you if you don't put off telling your kids. Stop worrying and just tell them.
Posted by Anca on December 5, 2009 at 2:43 am | permalink |
Maybe everybody knows more about this than I do, but it sounds complicated, we're talking about the guy's life and livelihood and family and you haven't been together THAT long yet. Why not keep going with how it is? Why not allow this to be a learning experience and realize that you really do want to take him up on his offer? Make a romantic reversal? I mean don't torture yourself, you've done something very sensible, so maybe the right thing. Love is always something like this, isn't it? But if you love each other then go ahead and put up with the risks and the what not? Or at least give yourself more time to let it evolve.
Posted by Mark on December 5, 2009 at 3:27 am | permalink |
Dear Penelope
I tried to think of something smart to say and there is nothing. So I write what I felt. I felt physical pain around my heart and a cold sweat around my back when I read you let your kids into your bedroom. I felt my eyes becoming wet when I read you needed to turn the music loud. I felt lightened up with hope when I read your list of stuff to do. And I felt ashamed of childishly asking you to continue writing about the family affair after the Thanksgiving event entry.
I have always appreciated all of your writings but I never felt them so personal as this time. Thank you, like all of us here, I believe in you and your choice.
Posted by Isao on December 5, 2009 at 3:29 am | permalink |
I'm sure it's not easy for the Farmer's family to get the Penelope Trunk brand, if you will, and to understand your lifestyle and live with the idea that anything that happens in your life with their son might be public on your blog. I really appreciate the raw honesty with which you write about your life 360-degrees. But then I don't know if I could be so constantly candid. You do have to take that into consideration, I think. Having said that, the Farmer has known all along who you are. So this all sort of falls in his lap. I wonder what kind of drama he likes to stir up in his own life.
I think the challenge is being honest with your kids, and giving them enough information to understand and process this but without burdening them with your grief. But in the end, you can't protect them; you can only model for them how to confront challenges that get thrown at us in life. But you know this already.
Posted by MDTaz on December 5, 2009 at 3:31 am | permalink |
why make him choose you or the farm? i think you are looking at it from a wrong perspective. why don't you empower yourself by making a statement of choosing him, his parents, and a contentful life on the farm with your kids? you're an independent, successful entrepreneur who is not dependent upon him financially–so stay out of his business affairs with his parents, no matter how much you want to help. show respect, a cooperative nature, and humility by knowing your place in the family. being with the farmer requires you to think beyond just you and him. just keep in mind that your boys and ex-husband are a package deal that come with you. with him, his parents are part of the package. so address their skepticism by letting it be known that you are choosing him and them, and you will do what it takes to make it work in the long term. you can acknowledge they want assurance from you and the best way to reflect that is through action.
Posted by Lizzo on December 5, 2009 at 3:49 am | permalink |
Penelope, Lizzo's comment above is certainly worth considering if you love him this much. As much as I think it's crazy for him to choose the farm & parents over you, I agree its crazy for you to reject the parents over him.
Either way, you know what's best. Persevere for yourself and your kids. All the best!
Posted by Chris on December 7, 2009 at 11:32 pm | permalink |
So saddened after reading this. Sigh. *Hugs <3
Posted by phillygrrl on December 5, 2009 at 3:53 am | permalink |
Dear Penelope,
We saw this coming, didn't we? It doesn't make the hurting any less penetrating, but there was no other path for either of you, other than jumping off this cliff. The issues weren't really about the farm, or his parents, or the physical distance between you two, or your religious differences, or any one particular thing. There were just too many subtle differences that didn't line up. Not all your core values were meshing. But that's okay, if you love him for who is is. And he loves you for who YOU are. But it's not okay for a total commitment in marriage. That union would never have satisfied your needs. Or his.
But as I see it, nobody did anything wrong. There's no bad guy in this story. And there are no victims either. Because as much as you're hurting right now, I think when you look back on this shift of direction, I believe you'll come to the conclusion that the decision to alter the relationship was mutual. I mean, wasn't there always some doubt in the back of your mind that he was in conflict about you? And weren't you making serious concessions to make the relationship "work" for yourself? The total trust factor just couldn't quite congeal.
And may I also remind you about something else you know in your heart. Your farmer's a good man. And there is no reason to believe that he's not hurting just as much as you are at this very moment. It actually took courage to be the one who cut the cord. You think it's easy to break two hearts? The one you love, AND your own?
Dear Penelope, if you can endure the pain, and override potential resentment, I think you'll keep his lifelong friendship. You both deserve that. And your both up to the task.
With love,
Irv
Posted by Irving Podolsky on December 5, 2009 at 4:20 am | permalink |
It sounds to me like you made the decision for him, and it seems like you're making him choose. Wouldn't he be happy with you and 100 acres? Isn't it his parents' decision whether they deed him 500 acres? Basically, it comes down to what makes you happy, and that's the farmer, no matter how much land he ends up with. His parents sound controlling, and they're the only ones ending up happy here.
Posted by Alison on December 5, 2009 at 4:47 am | permalink |
Thank you for also sharing this episode of your life with us, your readers and followers. I am sure it was not easy writing it, and I am sure it is not easy coping with it at the moment. I hope you will keep up the good and inspiring work you do (you do make a difference for a lot of people in the world by your choice of words you know….). I also hope you embrace your children in this period. Include them in whats going on and how you feel – to the level you feel comfortable of course. I still have a hope that this might work out for you and that you two together (you and the farmer) will find ways to handle the situation. I wish you all the best and send you a hug.
J.
Posted by Jacob Revold on December 5, 2009 at 6:03 am | permalink |
P
I'm new here. Can't say enough about your blog. I love it. Absolutely LOVE IT.
I dated a farmer for seven years. Moved in with him actually. Yep, me & my three kids. They were babies and after seven years they called him "Dad", even though we were not married. I was not happy with the type of relationship he had with his mother. He felt the need to tend to her land etc… real attached to his land, similar situation. I'm not saying that he should not have been so attached. However, the point is I was not attached to the land I was attached to the farmer and I thought the farmer was attached to me. I ended up buying a house of my own & we dated for a while. Once I told the kids who were 10-12 years old at the time we were breaking up for good they told me they would be okay but just wanted ME to be happy. The point is we were a family before the farmer and we are a family after the farmer. So are you.
Posted by Nannette on December 5, 2009 at 6:04 am | permalink |
So … the sisters who hate you should now WANT you and Farmer to get married, on the (in their minds likely) chance that he gets disinherited. That way the land eventually gets sold and they cash in.
Unless Mom & Dad are bluffing.
So much intrigue for rural Wisconsin.
Posted by Brad on December 5, 2009 at 6:06 am | permalink |
Penelope,
You are very courageous! I can't see myself talking about my relationships that candid with anyone. Because of your honesty and being so candid, others will learn from your experiences. I guess what hurts so much for you is that you put yourself on the line for the farmer.
Children are very resilient, so they will be just fine. I know you a little bit because of your blog posts, but I do not dare think that I know you very well.
I do not want to tell you what to do, because I hate it when people tell me what to you. But, shouldn't you take a time out from relationships and just focus on being with your kids and healing your broken heart?
I have to believe that you will find your soul mate, your kindred spirit, and not rush things. In the quiet time of contemplation, ask you heart what it needs and give it exactly what it tells you.
I am sorry for your pain and I do not know what to do to help you. Avil
Posted by Avil Beckford on December 5, 2009 at 6:15 am | permalink |
Isn't it amazing how this kind of thing can still happen to us after our 20's? Amazing in both a good and bad way. You did the right thing. Some day that will help, but not today. Take extra care of yourself and your kids and it will all be OK.
Posted by Veronica on December 5, 2009 at 6:23 am | permalink |
I am really sad for you reading this but coming from rural Ireland I also understand the dilemma of the farmer. Land to a farmer is life and history and continuity. He obviously doesn't want to do anything else but farm and he feels an obligation to his parents even if the way he is executing it is misguided. The attachment to the land is something he will always have in the same way that your kids will always take priority over whatever man is in your life.
Posted by Ciara on December 5, 2009 at 7:12 am | permalink |
Penelope, I've only just begun offering replies to your posts, but a few days ago I commented that your situation reminded me of a four year relationship of mine that just ended; we broke up a ridiculous amount of times. So much so that once, when he broke up with me I said, "Okay, what time are you coming for dinner?". We laughed. Seriously, that's something to pay attention to- the constant break ups.
Also, I realized that I would NEVER come before his family – EVER. All I could see was coming in about 9th on the priority list and that just isn't good enough. I'm not someone who deserves to be "settled for" and taken for granted after the mom, sisters, ex-wives, ex-girlfriends, kids, God, Church, Job and who knows what else is paid attention to while I stand there making a pot of stew for the brood that treats me as "not good enough" when inside I secretly think, "I'm better than this".
You are better than this. You aren't just marrying the farmer. You are marrying his life.
I was married for quite a long time. Though it ended, during the many years that things were good, he made me feel like a prize on his arm. After the break up with the man mentioned above, who I was with for 4 years, an old friend from 15 years ago stepped back into my life. He too makes me feel like his "prize". It drove home the difference in the relationships. Being a prize is much better than being made to feel less than. You aren't less than.
Posted by cindy on December 5, 2009 at 7:15 am | permalink |
You are lovely and brilliant and good. He is making a dumb choice out of fear and habit.
You are wise to know this is something you will live through.
Posted by Steven Grant on December 5, 2009 at 7:21 am | permalink |
penelope- so sorry that you are going through this – sending hugs and thoughts your way…
Posted by jacquelyn on December 5, 2009 at 7:23 am | permalink |
I am relieved that you admit you know you are lost. I've been lost and out of my head before. It is the worst feeling, ever. Except for lossing someone to death. Love is the candle that wont die even if you try with all your might to blow it out. Sometimes, you just have to look at it in 3rd party and ask yourself…."am i better with it or without it"? In this case, Penelope, 3rd party it….what i see- he makes you want to love him but you arent getting what you need. He makes you cry, he makes you sad, He makes you lost!
I know first hand that no one can tell you to stop loving someone when you just CAN'T. And, in some cases maybe you wont EVER stop loving that person. But you need to step outside the situation to really see where this is NOT going. I am not going to tell you that this can never work or that he is wrong for you- that's for you to realize either way but i will ask you…is it better to be with someone that makes your insides scream in agony, makes your head obssessed, and makes your life be put on hold than to be alone????
If you should choose to walk away and be alone, your first step should be starting small- choose an anthem song. I know this sounds silly but you need to find yourself, you need to laugh, and you need to believe that there is somebody out there that is worth all the crap that has been thrown your way. Be brave.
Posted by JustJessi on December 5, 2009 at 7:36 am | permalink |
To look deeply is to understand. Anyone who has made us suffer is undoubtedly suffering too. Thich Nhat Hanh, Buddhist monk (1926– )
Posted by Anthony Peyton Porter on December 5, 2009 at 7:38 am | permalink |
Feeling lost myself today after a terrible day at work, I feel not alone on reading this post. Esp because I have a double whammy of also a relationship on verge of break-up. Ah well, all I tell myself, and maybe extend the adivce, for what it is worth to you, "This too shall pass".
I need to learn what went wrong, pick myself up & move on. easier said than done…You will be in my thoughts.
Take care
Posted by SVR on December 5, 2009 at 7:39 am | permalink |
Yeesh…I feel you. And I send you big hugs and lots of love.
I have just emerged, blinking, into life again after a six month hiatus spent essentially curled up in the fetal position as a way of dealing with heartache.
Feel what you're feeling…process/shed away and give yourself all the time you need. I am alone and had no reason to force myself out of my womb with a view; you have your boys and I'm sure that keeping up with them prevents you from wallowing too much…
May I make a recommendation? Hit the treadmill and release those pent up endorphins, you will start to feel better in many ways; releasing stress, negativity, soul-sucking sadness, AND comfort calories with each gasp for breath. Start an exercise regime soon, BEFORE you gain 20lbs and feel even worse! Look up "daily affirmations" on the internet…practice them, and practice loving yourself unconditionally.
Like Celine says, hearts do go on.
I'm living proof.
Alright, I'll stop being all Zen-Yoda on you,
Shera
<3
Posted by Shera on December 5, 2009 at 8:01 am | permalink |
Two things:
1. Becky is right about the relationship between farmers and land. It's like a relationship with God for them. Seriously. I don't think we city people can understand it.
2. I think when you look back, you will find that not moving yourself and your kids to Darlington up front was the best parenting decision you ever made. The idea that they…that HE would want you to move there and audition for the role of person-who-gets-to-stay and let the parents vote you up or down, in front of your children…oh my god. That is beyond cruel. I wonder if this guy really understands what he was expecting you to do there.
I'm sorry. I was hoping this would work out somehow.
Posted by Kerry on December 5, 2009 at 8:12 am | permalink |
I am not sure I get it. You did Framer, Farmer digs you, Framer's parents, what, not so crazy about you? Ok so what, Framer needs to tell his parents that he is not just a farmer – he is a man. His parents have only one possible claim to a valid judgement about you. Are you a good person, not what do you do, or are you string, or do they like you – are you good. After that their only job is to support their son. What kind of farmer is this guy? A wimp farmer?
Posted by steven germain on December 5, 2009 at 8:13 am | permalink |
I'm sad for you. I dated a man who couldn't commit for several years between marriages. I was hooked, madly in love, and just couldn't admit it wasn't going to work out, although the red flags were flying high. You deserve someone who 'gets' you and your life, wants you more than anything, and is willing to move heaven and earth to be with you. Don't settle until you find him. And know that all your kids really want is for you to be happy. My kids (grown now) don't even really remember the crazy, uncommitted guy I 'tried' to marry. But they know my DH makes me happier than they've ever seen me. Hang in there!
Posted by Hope on December 5, 2009 at 8:14 am | permalink |
Penelope, I have written and erased here too many times. I don't really know what to write to "take away" the sadness that permeates your blog. I can feel it. I wish I could come over and just be with you in this place, like a good friend does…"without needing to hide it, or fade it, or fix it". You are right that you have overcome so many things before and will again. Your relationship with the farmer has opened you and changed you, blessings for sure. You will dance in the sprinkles again.
Posted by Nancy Carroll on December 5, 2009 at 8:17 am | permalink |
Let everything happen to you
Beauty and terror
Just keep going
No feeling is final
Rainer Maria Rilke (1875–1926)
Posted by Anthony Peyton Porter on December 5, 2009 at 8:18 am | permalink |
Your pain is the breaking of the shell that encloses your understanding. Kahlil Gibran, mystic, poet, and artist (1883–1931)
Posted by Anthony Peyton Porter on December 5, 2009 at 8:19 am | permalink |
It all depends on how we look at things, and not how they are in themselves. Carl G. Jung, psychiatrist (1875–1961)
Posted by Anthony Peyton Porter on December 5, 2009 at 8:40 am | permalink |
Get out the shampoo . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=030YgzGQ34o
Posted by Susan on December 5, 2009 at 8:46 am | permalink |
This too shall pass… It's just not meant to be, and will be better for all involved. Easy for me to say, I'm not emotionally involved.
However, my objectivity is why I can also comment RE: passing along depression (or other 'issues') to your kids, keep in mind they need to join you in bed when THEIR needs dictate, not your own…
From the outside in perspective, it's been pretty easy to identify issues.
Wish you ALL the best…
Posted by Kirk in Indy on December 5, 2009 at 8:59 am | permalink |
I dated a guy for 8 years, and it eventually became clear that his work was more important to him than I was. It broke my heart to break up with him. But it was devastating to my sense of self to always come in second, and it was so offensive to me that a livelihood could be more important than a person.
Now I'm dating someone who really wants to be with me, no matter what kind of work either of us does. It is a million times more sustaining.
And the guy who broke my heart for work? Soon after we broke up, he gave up his career to move to Europe with another woman. Turns out I just wasn't the one for him.
In my opinion, you and your kids will be better of with someone who emphatically DOES want to date you.
Posted by Anna on December 5, 2009 at 9:02 am | permalink |
BTW, the guy I'm dating now won me over by writing damn good emails, and baking cupcakes with me. So you're right – those things do work!
Posted by Anna on December 5, 2009 at 9:14 am | permalink |
I usually never post comments on blogs, but I cannot help doing it here on yours. This time, it is because I am too angry on your behalf.
Ok, then… Drop him. Really, he has his own best interest, not yours. And his family… I am in chock. He needs to stand up for himself (and for you), and he should have done that a long time ago, not giving in to their threats, the gossip etc. In my opinion, he was the one who should protect you from that and he should have put a closure to that loooong time ago. His groundedness is not channelled into firmness when it comes to healthy boundaries, protecting you!
Knowing, you have battled eating disorders and had anema, this is actually a classic sign of a lack of "Earth" energy in Traditional Chinese Medicine within the body/mind. A lack of support during childhood, a mentally straining job, worry/overwork also contributes to depleting the Earth within us. Which makes me think… You can find that "farmer" energy YOURSELF and within yourself, don't need it from him. It is avaiable everywhere, even in the city.
Take care, support is everywhere !!!!!!!
I hope everything will work out.
Posted by Betsey on December 5, 2009 at 9:03 am | permalink |
Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to a better understanding of ourselves Carl G. Jung, psychiatrist (1875–1961)
Posted by Anthony Peyton Porter on December 5, 2009 at 9:13 am | permalink |
Perception is our reality. The Doctor was/is right… For those keeping score at home, I've officially used my last comment token for this post.
Posted by Kirk in Indy on December 5, 2009 at 10:09 am | permalink |
oh no, this post was beautiful and so melancholy
I feel like i need to lie down and deveote all energy into disliking the farmer and sending comforting vibes out to you in the states…
but what can even even be added after the lovely comments prior to this?
Posted by Janine on December 5, 2009 at 9:14 am | permalink |
We rarely learn when things are going great. Pain usually preceeds growth, is a heckuva teacher and motivator.
Posted by Kirk in Indy on December 5, 2009 at 9:46 am | permalink |
I've been a reader of your blog for months. Fell in love with it actually. So many things seem to have paralleled my own life but I am too shy to post so I live vicariously through your blog. After reading this I feel moved to comment. I had a relationship like this back in 1993. It won't get better and you won't feel secure even if he does as choose you. Come on Penelope, pull yourself out of it. If I lived near you I would be dragging you out of the house and give you a strong dose of that best girlfriend love that only good friends can give. The kind of friend-love that makes you laugh and have fun even when you feel like something is holding you to the bottom of the pool of self pity. The farmer isn't the only man in the world and from what I have read, he is a little wishy washy when it comes to the relationship area. The red flags were there, he wasn't a solid choice for a good relationship. Be strong, find a little distraction, take the kids and go on a road trip or vacation. Just forget the farmer. It all comes down to a saying I heard once, “Never allow someone to be your priority while allowing yourself to be their option”.
Love your blog and you girl!
Posted by Christine on December 5, 2009 at 9:54 am | permalink |
I recall a friend of mine 10 years ago, whose longtime fiance walked away from her for the arranged marriage that his parents insisted on. I was one of the friends to pick up the pieces.
In time, she healed, met a wonderful man, and married. By contrast, his Indian bride was unhappy in North America and divorced him in 2 years, taking their baby back to India with her. His parents blamed him for the divorce and disowned him. He lost everything.
It is an unhealthy thing for parents to try to manipulate their grown kids' lives.
I feel sadder for the farmer than for you, because he has lost far more.
Posted by Nancy on December 5, 2009 at 10:02 am | permalink |
I'm so sorry, Penelope.
Posted by Thelma Bowlen on December 5, 2009 at 10:06 am | permalink |
When you marry the man, you marry the family. You are right to walk away from this situation. While no family is perfect, there are plenty of families out there that don't expect their grown sons to remain man-children. There are plenty of families out there who accept their sons' wives as there new daughters/sisters/aunts/etc. I know you had a tough time growing up, so I don't know what your frame of reference is. However, it's possible – even common – for families to have their idiosyncracies without being mean, controlling, and abusive. My own father-in-law is an asshole, but he doesn't control what my husband does. Really, the worst thing he does is annoy us.
I don't really like to tell people what to do, but I've been reading your blog regularly for a couple years and there's this constant theme in your relations with men. I think it would be good for you to go on a man fast. Be with nobody but yourself for a good stretch of time.
In your work, you seem really good at seeing exactly what's going on in front of you. Like most of us, though, in your personal life, not so much. Right?
I think it's time for Penelope to nuture Penelope right now. I get a rushed feeling from you – like you're worried time is running out. It's not. There's plenty. I think just stopping, breathing, decompressing will help. It may hurt first. But then it will help.
Posted by GenerationXpert on December 5, 2009 at 10:43 am | permalink |
Penelope,
Move in with farmer! You're making a decision based on a worst case scenario and asking the farmer to choose you over his parents when there is no reason why he can't have both. You are in love with a person who has a deep sense of family commitment. If he loves you with the same depth, this is the sort of person you want in your life at any cost and at any risk. Who cares of they don't like you? He loves you and if I was on my computer, I would underline love for emphasis… Seriously, you are, as you say, so completely brazen in your professional life. Why not try making the brazen choice in your personal life? I'm in a similar situation (minus the hater sisters) and not only has it worked out so far, I am perfectly content with my life. Don't give up the farmer!
Posted by Rachel on December 5, 2009 at 10:49 am | permalink |
Oh, I'm so sorry to hear things worked out this way. Truly.
That said, the farmer will NEVER uproot his whole life and business. You should not have asked that of him. It isn't so easy to throw away 20 yrs. of what he has built along with his family. You are pushing him to pick you over his farm (really his family) to prove he loves you. If you really love him why are you putting him in this position?
My family has been farming for many generations. Now farming has never been my thing and I could not wait to get away, but if you weren't raised that way it is difficult to understand. The farm is who he is – his identity – not just his vocation. I am not surprised it is impossible for him to walk away. It isn't as easy as doing the same work at a different company (different farm). He has built this company (farm) on a daily basis for most of his adult life. He is a lifer.
Ties on a family farm run deep and he will never separate from his family. This does not mean he does not love you. You should not expect him to abandon who he is and what he loves to prove that.
The ultimatum was a losing play. Somethings can't be forced. He has been building his business for 20 yrs. yet you expect him to decide what to do with that legacy and his future within months or weeks? His decision isn't about you or his feelings for you. Inserting yourself into the choice was a mistake.
What this will come down to is how much of yourself are you willing to compromise? To be with the farmer you will have to fit into his world, his farm, because I doubt he will ever leave.
Maybe this is just a case of different worlds, different cultures…but give it time.
Posted by Lucie on December 5, 2009 at 10:59 am | permalink |
I think the point is that the parents are forcing this choice. Also they had their son waste $5000 in an effort to come to an agreement so he could marry Penelope and her children. They do not sound like nice people.
I'm sorry that it had to come to this. I hope things work out for you.
Posted by Sue on December 5, 2009 at 3:18 pm | permalink |
"For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh." You're right, Penelope. I'm so sorry that you are right, but you are – this is the time to answer this question. Not later, after you have moved your sons. So sorry.
Posted by Viviana Sutton on December 5, 2009 at 11:00 am | permalink |
Your reasons to ask him to make the choice now are sound. Otherwise, every day is spent analyzing all your interactions with his family. Can you publish a post because his mother will read it? Can you wear this dress to the party or will his sisters hate it? On and on. No, it's better that you make the choice today rather than allow others to make those decisions for you on a daily basis for years to come.
The farmer and his family should not make business decisions based on whether they "approve" of someone else who won't even be tied to the business. It's better to know now that he wants the farm more than he wants a life with you. Now you can spend some time healing, helping your children heal, and moving on with your life. Some people spend years in relationships before they realize they are playing second fiddle to something else.
Much love and comfort to you, Penelope. You were right to make this decision when no one else seemed willing to make one.
Posted by rainie on December 5, 2009 at 11:04 am | permalink |
I'm so sorry to read this post and know what you're going through. I know from experience that if a guy chooses his family over his girlfriend/wife, there is no changing him and the only thing to do is grieve now and move on. I wasted 14 years of my life being married to someone whose parents hated me, much of that time living in a house they owned and therefore being owned by them, and it took a huge toll on me mentally and physically. There are 2 kinds of men: the kind who never can separate from their parents and the kind who want a relationship with a woman and put that above a relationship with their parents. Find the second kind, the kind who will value you and your kids and see you guys as family–not the kind who will keep you and your boys stuck in a bad place because he's not willing to grow up and be a big boy. You owe it to yourself and to your kids–you all deserve no less than that.
Posted by Maggie on December 5, 2009 at 11:08 am | permalink |
UGH. This just *sucks*, no getting around it.
I was recently left by a man whom I was planning to marry and our main problem was that he always put his family before me. It just didn't work for me, tho I get that for some women that is ok.
Your kids will be ok. In the meantime, cry, yell into a pillow and keep writing.
Sending hugs and soup.
xoxox
P.S. Post about Asperger's this week was AMAZING.
Posted by brooklynchick on December 5, 2009 at 11:10 am | permalink |
Never let the same dog have three chances to bite you. Love yourself and your kids enough for that…
My2centsworth
Posted by Dale on December 5, 2009 at 11:19 am | permalink |
I agree with jessica and kerry. Pen, you and your kids need to be first in your man's life. Having been in the kids' position in this situ, I advise you not to sugarcoat your explanation to them. Tell your kids we only marry someone who thinks we are the toppermost priority. Others might settle for less but the three of us don't. I would also suggest having a goodbye meeting between the kids and the farmer for closure. Good luck.
Posted by Ayelet on December 5, 2009 at 11:35 am | permalink |
I love this post. Thanks!
Posted by Jen B on December 5, 2009 at 3:38 pm | permalink |
"Being lost cannot be avoided. The best thing to do is to try to focus on something else. I know from past experience what works: Reading, writing, cuddling with the kids, dating men who write good emails, and cooking recipes that call for lots of sprinkles." I love this — this is healing while hurting. Beautiful writing. Keep it up, keep it all up; you're doing amazing work in all areas of life.
Posted by Sarah Wood on December 5, 2009 at 11:48 am | permalink |