When I was in the mental ward, it was mostly girls in their teens with messed up track records and eating disorders. But my roommate was from Kellogg, a top-ten business school.
I thought it was insane that she was there. She was so smart. She was going to be great at work. Her only problem was that her fiancée had just broken off their engagement. I thought she would be fine—there are so many other men to be had. But before I could ask her to explain, she tried to electrocute herself in the bathtub, with a blow-drier, and she was moved to the high-security ward.
That has been on my mind as my relationship with the farmer has unraveled.
Which makes me want to sleep.
I kiss my sons good night and then walk through a kitchen full of dirty dishes to my bedroom, thinking going to bed would be a good way to escape. But I can’t sleep. Probably because I used that trick earlier, when I came home from work and slept for a couple of hours before I took my son to cello.
I was not sad while I slept. But I was sad at cello.
Even since our first date, the farmer has said that he does not want to date me, but he does it anyway. Over eighteen months, we pretend things have changed, but really, here’s where we are:
The farmer owns about 100 acres on his own. He farms with his parents by putting his 100 acres with their 500 acres.
His parents have said that he will inherit the whole farm so he can keep farming the way he has, on 600 acres, for the last 20 years.
They do not want to guarantee that the farmer inherits the land. They say maybe they will give the farmer a guaranteed inheritance after they see if they like farming with him when he lives with me. They want to wait to see if I make their life hell.
I finally fall asleep and wake up to my seven-year-old saying, “Can you wake up? Is it morning? Can you ask [the farmer] if we can also have sheep when we move to the farm?”
“It’s not morning yet,” is what I tell him.
“Then can I sleep with you? And where is [the farmer]?”
“He’s not here.”
This is what I say. I’m not sure how long I can say it with any credibility. But luckily it’s the middle of the night, and my son is consumed with the idea of doing animal chores every morning with the farmer. My son has plans.
I lay in bed between my sons who realize something is wrong because ever since the farmer came into our lives, I’ve guarded my bed from them relentlessly, but tonight I let them in.
In bed I think about the farmer’s lawyer who says depending on farming land that the parents control is a totally insecure way to live. Our days with the lawyer are over, though. It cost the farmer $5000 and he has, literally, nothing to show for it. Only discussions with the lawyer about how the farmer has to leave his farm.
I lay in bed staring at the dark ceiling. The boys breathe heavy and warm in my ears and tears drip down my cheeks and when they pool in my ears they are cold. I tell myself over and over again that the farmer does not want to farm on his own land without farming with his parents. I have to accept this.
He asked me to move to his farm, with my kids, living alongside the risk that his parents will tell him that they hate me so much that he either has to get rid of me or stop farming with them.
So I won’t move there. Because I think that if the parents, down the line, hate me enough to force the farmer to choose me or the farm, he’ll choose the farm. So I figure he should just make that choice now, before I move to Darlington, WI with my kids.
And he’s picking the farm.
Did you see the movie Monsters vs Aliens? The girl who turns into a monster breaks off her engagement because her fiancée is a jerk. I wish I could become a monster. I wish I thought the farmer was a jerk. I wish this were a movie, and my kids scratched the disc, so we’d have to stop watching, because the end of this is too scary.
The next morning, I wake up at 5am because I’ve been waking up on farmer time for so long. I sulk for an hour and then the kids wake up. I make lunches, make breakfast, make beds, make jokes (the knock-knock kind) and the kids are happy, and it makes me feel like I’m doing something right.
I went to the book fair at the school the night before. We take out one of our new books and I think maybe the kids are having a charmed life and I am overestimating the impact of farmer abandonment.
Then my four-year-old says, “Mom. Look!” and he shows me an eraser in the shape of an ice cream cone.
“Did you take that from the book fair?”
“Yes. Aren’t I sneaky?”
“No. It’s stealing. I told you we’re only buying books. That means you can’t take anything else.”
We talk about stealing. My seven-year-old asks with eyes full of glee if his brother will be going to jail.
We finish breakfast and I tell myself not to think about the farmer. I tell myself to focus on making the returning of the eraser a good lesson about fairness.
I would like the farmer to sell his 100 acres to his parents, who are willing to pay cash for market price, and then buy a farm somewhere else, so that we start fresh, together. I told him I’d move anywhere in the world that he wants.
He wants to stay right there. With his parents.
In the car, on the way to school, I tell myself it’s hard to be sad over losing someone who is choosing to farm with his parents over starting a life with me. But I'm distraught over telling my kids that the guy they have completely bonded with is going to disappear.
Proving that kids know everything, even stuff they don’t understand, my seven-year-old catches me off guard with his backseat chatter: “Who is coming to your birthday party next week?”
My four-year-old chimes in with a list of his own friends.
I say, “You two are my best friends. So I think it’ll be a party with us.”
The seven-year-old says, “What about [the farmer]? You love him, too, and he loves you.”
I turn the music up too loud.
I need to find some child psychologist to tell me how to tell the kids what happened to the farmer. So when they clamor for the Beatles I put on Ob La Di, Ob La Da, and the kids sing out loud. When I have been pretending that things are fine with the farmer, Ob la di seemed like Paul McCartney’s sunny summary of marriage and kids. Now the song feels like John Lennon’s ironic jab at the morons who think marriage ever works out to be happy.
I drop the kids off. Psychology Today says that depression is contagious and you usually get it from your mom, so I try to be extra chirpy during drop off. Except when we are returning the eraser.
I only go into my office when I have to, and today I have to because we are having an all-day meeting with the CEO who has flown in from DC.
We are talking strategy and he says that startups are always changing. The strategy changes, the tactics change. He says it has happened at every startup he’s ever had.
I console myself that he’s had two, huge exits. I hope that the rule of past performance predicting future performance will skew more toward his former exits than mine.
I try to focus. I wonder if they can tell when I am thinking about the farmer and when I am thinking about the company. Sometimes, when I think I cannot get myself back to thinking about the company, I excuse myself to go to the bathroom. I try to say smart things every now and then. I want them to think I’m smart.
I hope I am an exception to the rule. For broken engagements. For single parenting. For startup exits.
But I know that none of us is an exception to a rule. We are just regular. And another rule is that we are all lost sometimes, and being lost is okay. I am lost right now. I don’t know what is happening in my life, and I am scared to think of any of the reasonable outcomes.
But I actually know a bit about being lost. I’ve been through it before. I have been jobless, and I’ve figured out what’s next. I’ve hated my career, and I figured out how to switch. I’ve been dumped many times by many men, and I’ve always thought no one would ever love me, and I always fall in love again.
But there's no magic solution. Being lost cannot be avoided. The best thing to do is to try to focus on something else. I know from past experience what works: Reading, writing, cuddling with the kids, dating men who write good emails, and cooking recipes that call for lots of sprinkles.


I'm so sorry, Penelope. You and your boys deserve someone who chooses you.
Posted by p on 12/04/2009 at 04:53pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
My sentiments exactly
Posted by J (the regular) on 12/07/2009 at 10:00am | permalink | Reply to this comment
P, I'm in a similar situation (though 25 so the stakes and consequences are different of course) so I can definitely feel for you. Friends have been telling me regularly that everything will be ok. I know that, but know I will also need to be lost in between now and things being ok. Good luck!
Posted by Claire on 12/04/2009 at 05:00pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm sorry too, but I agree with the first commenter. You deserve someone who chooses you. As for your kids, there's no perfect way to tell them – just tell them and give them hugs and dinner.
Posted by Shandra on 12/04/2009 at 05:03pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Now let's skip all those comments from people who will want to tell you about how you should have / should not have acted.
The boys will adjust to the situation, it may take soms time depending on their age and flexibility, but you chose to share your happiness and life decisions with them and that can never be the wrong thing to do.
The farmer is the one that made the mistake about wanting to marry you without solving his home/work situation that is hostile to anyone marrying into that and that is unfair to the boys too. You shouldn't have to deal with criticism towards him too though.
Posted by Mascha on 12/04/2009 at 05:36pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
::sigh:: This post makes me both angry and sad on your behalf. And helpless that I'm unable to help. So I'll just send some good karma your way.
Posted by stephanerd on 12/04/2009 at 05:49pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This is the best post you've ever written. Your voice is always authentic and genuine, but this really takes the cake for my favorite article from your blog. And that's possibly because I know how it feels.
So thank you for sharing with us about all of this.
Posted by Mneiae on 12/04/2009 at 05:50pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I agree. It feels more human and less Hansonian than some of your other posts (e.g. miscarriage). It may not help expand my worldview, but it does make me more sympathetic.
Posted by Master of None on 12/08/2009 at 02:09pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Were this a novel I would be swept up by the language and be happy for the beauty of your communicated sorrow. Since it is your life I only wish I could make you some food. And find some different answer. What is it about your posts that calls out the mother to save you?
Posted by LPC on 12/04/2009 at 05:59pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This guy has been jerking you around since day 1. So his parents are controlling him and he needs to be with someone who will let his parents control. Good luck to him with that, I guess.
Posted by CCS on 12/04/2009 at 06:01pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This is absorbing and affecting, but if you want to sustain romantic relationships with men like The Farmer (indeed, with most men), you will have to stop discussing them in your blog.
Posted by David on 12/04/2009 at 06:04pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
David,
The author was a blogger before meeting the farmer. The farmer was a farmer before meeting the blogger. The two are not going to change. Both of them should know this going in. If being a blogger is an issue I say don't date bloggers because you will get written about on the internet.
Posted by Nannette on 12/05/2009 at 05:44am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Well, doggies,
This a well written, vividly illustrated example of, "the gulf". We menfolk here (Charlie the Cat and myself) can't fathom how a charming, hyper-intelligent tornado of Jewish quirkiness could be left behind for land, Livestock, and legacy.
On the other shore of the chasm, we have a gentile agribusiness family enterprise whose culture places near infinite value on the continuity of the legacy; no relationship takes primacy over, "the land".
As for me, I have gathered much information. I know now, due to your vivid rendering, that my ideal imprint, if G-d willing I get out there and find a potential mate – will be like you P-Lope = Impossible to predict, crazy smart, creative, funny, quirky, shocking, and altogether preposterous and impressive in every way.
Think I can find her on Craig's List…hmmm, not so sure. eHarmony? I thow my shoes at the their TV commercials.
You survive, lady, damn-it, don't let the profane culture of the insular agricultural clan kill you, G-d forbid, heaven forfend, Gevald, Gevald. Have we not been witness to sufficient reproofs and tales of your legit problems that have assailed us?
I hereby toast you, Gal, by raising my bottle of Antidepressants high and doubling the dose in your honor.
My name is Alan Wilensky, I was divorced in 1999 from my great love, and I have not had a partner since, in any shape or form. You read that right.
L'Chaim.
Posted by Alan Wilensky on 12/04/2009 at 06:10pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
:D Great comment!
Pen (lope-less, however)
Posted by Pen on 12/06/2009 at 06:41am | permalink | Reply to this comment
oy, you said a mouthful, and like the brother all of us want when something like this hits us in the face, and we're standing there with cartoon stars circling our head, disoriented, distracted.
you hit it on the head–p fell in love with the farmer, but he came with a clan. some men in some milieu can show up on their own, but he chooses to drag the whole mishpocheh with him, rendering the transaction impossible without their input. when dylan says "don't ask why" he knows from this kind of mangle.
penelope, sister, i wish i was somewhere in the county. i'd come over with an armload of covered dishes, hose down the kitchen, and distract the children such that you could lay in bed and cry this one out for as long as you need. i don't have children, but i can imagine that it's difficult to give yourself to the full experience of sadness around them. doing so might help you find the right way to explain the complexity of adult relationships, and why they sometimes don't work.
you're smart, and yes, as always, you'll get through. but not one of us who has experienced this needs to tell you what you should have done. i was so very sad to read this, and i send you my warmest thoughts in this cold hour. needless to say, if the insanity of our fair city can be any salvo to you, we welcome you here.
Posted by thatgirlinnewyork on 12/09/2009 at 11:53am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I am sorry you are going through this. Thank you for sharing your heart with us, again. It helps the rest of us to feel like we are not exceptions to the rule, either.
Posted by Amy on 12/04/2009 at 06:27pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm de-lurking to say that I don't even know you and I want to cook you a meal and make you go for some exercise to cheer yourself up. I don't know what you should do or not do, but I know you will figure it out. We are all pulling for you. Well, those of us who keep coming back, I mean.
Posted by Laura on 12/04/2009 at 06:27pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
P- I am so sorry. Time does heal all wounds but boy that time can be painful
Posted by Amy on 12/04/2009 at 06:28pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
So sorry. That sucks. No one deserves to be on the wrong end of someone else's "Sophie's Choice."
Posted by Leah Weiss Caruso on 12/04/2009 at 06:31pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm so sorry this is happening to you. Heartache is one hell of a lonely feeling. We are all thinking of you, so know that you are not alone. And we root for you. For whatever may be. And eventually (when you get to it) in hindsight, things always work out. Hang in there, things will find a way.
Posted by calisara on 12/04/2009 at 06:43pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
When we read Romeo and Juliet we think to ourselves that our families wouldn't be that way, but in truth, our families will be that way if they feel threatened by someone who's sufficiently different and it's a real-life tragedy. No playing around with pretending to be dead, please. The little boys will be wounded but they will be more resilient adults. Eventually. Sigh. Sob.
Posted by Theresa Quintanilla on 12/04/2009 at 06:51pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
good point. but the more i think about it, it's probably less about who penelope is, and more about the fact that the farmer's family doesn't trust him, no matter who he chooses to marry, because it's all about them. when/if he wakes up to that, he'll be either forced to seek control for himself, or he'll live in a pool of resentment for the rest of his days, subconscious or otherwise.
Posted by thatgirlinnewyork on 12/09/2009 at 11:59am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Do you know Penelope! My name is Raul,I'm from Brazil and I've been follow your blog for the last few months regularly and never did a comment, but today I will. I'm not psycologist and like others I am so sorry, perhaps, not from you, but to the farmer. Coz, He didn't realize how much He might lose to choose the farm and his parents and not you!
Posted by Raul on 12/04/2009 at 06:52pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
At any other point in my life I would have given you chin-up, guy-in-the-next-port advice. But I've spent so much of 2009 in tears over the same situation that people think I have terrible allergies. That hollow, sad feeling is just that: a hollow, sad feeling. You already know that sleep, activity, and time are the great clotted trifecta of healing.
Despite all logic to the contrary, the kids will be OK. All they really need to know is that you're not going anywhere.
Posted by Robin on 12/04/2009 at 07:08pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This must have been a tough choice for you to make in the first place and to ask the farmer to choose now, but you know it's the right thing to do and that's what matters. I am sorry it turned out that way. I am sure it is for the better in the long run.
Posted by Tanya on 12/04/2009 at 07:08pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
since so many people have already said i am so sorry i wont say that, but i am. I liked the farmer and considering all that you have gone through you needed his kind of stability. I am a recent reader of your blogposts and sometimes i think you can understand the 20-somethings because maybe you never grew out of your quarter life crisis. I just hope that this does not lead to anymore of the self-destructive things that you have done. I am sounding patronising and like i know you, but i dont. Just consider this something one lost person would say to another.
Posted by Siddharth sarda on 12/04/2009 at 07:21pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks for sharing from your heart. Sending positive energy your way.
Posted by Dan on 12/04/2009 at 07:23pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Great writing. Thanks.
I'm sorry things are dark for you and your kiddos right now. That sucks.
You're in my thoughts; I wish you well.
Posted by Ann on 12/04/2009 at 07:43pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm so sorry, Penelope. You are always authentic and vulnerable, but this is the most human of the many heartwrenching Brazen Careerist posts you've written.
Totally not to play down reality, but San Jose Mercury News had an article on Farmville yesterday http://www.mercurynews.com/search/ci_13911507?IADID=Search-www.mercurynews.com-www.mercurynews.com. In it, Mark Pincus, founder and CEO of Zynga (the FarmVille software company), indicated "male players are generally driven by building a booming agribusiness, Pincus said, female players are more likely to design colorful, vibrant, playful farms."
Sadly, real-life imitates virtual world in this case with the farmer. But the flip side of FarmVille is that it affirms you as one colorful, vibrant, and playful.
Let me reassure with Robert Frost who said, "I can sum up in three words everything I've learned about life: 'It goes on.'"
Posted by Ernest on 12/04/2009 at 08:11pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks for sharing, your story is always an inspiration, even at times like this.
Posted by Natalie on 12/04/2009 at 08:14pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I appreciate that I don't really know you and all that – but when I read a post like this – it reminds me how much you are like my sister. Please, please, please – MOVE on. I know you're hurting. But the red flags have been waving for a while on this guy. Your kids deserve better. I'm phrasing it that way to hope to make an impact – think about it – I know you may struggle with self esteem issues – but YOUR KIDS DESERVE BETTER than this guy.
Posted by Sara on 12/04/2009 at 08:23pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
oh my but your are strong.
Posted by frugalapolis on 12/04/2009 at 08:35pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
You really should avoid Thanksgiving… That's what set this off, right?
Call in sick next time anyone asks you to meet their (critical) family.
Posted by MichaelG on 12/04/2009 at 08:41pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I am so sorry, and I agree with everyone who said that you deserve better. Good for you for being strong enough to find out where he stands now, and not put yourself and your boys in the position to lose your home because of hostile family dynamics.
But mostly I want to say that I absolutely love your list of "what works. I am putting it in a safe place, because I know that it will be just what I need some day.
Posted by Jess on 12/04/2009 at 08:46pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hang in there Penelope.
Posted by Noelle on 12/04/2009 at 08:48pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
So sorry things are not working out. I am a recent discoverer of your blog. When I read your tweet about there being trouble in Farmerland, I kept returning to see if you had blogged with more detail. When I read this blog, all I could think was awwwwwww. Hugs to you and the boys.
Posted by kat on 12/04/2009 at 09:04pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
The magic pill is to wait.
I'm sorry it turned out this way.
Posted by Jim on 12/04/2009 at 09:17pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Agreed! time is the magic pill. Your rainbow at the end will be born of this self reflection:
I’ve been through it before. I have been jobless, and I’ve figured out what’s next. I’ve hated my career, and I figured out how to switch. I’ve been dumped many times by many men, and I’ve always thought no one would ever love me, and I always fall in love again.
Posted by karen on 12/05/2009 at 09:06am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Leaving him is the right thing. When you get married, your spouse becomes your primary family, more important than your birth family. If farmerzilla already couldn't break that tie, he never will. Sad that his parents can't let him live his own life, but he is too weak to have a partner like you. (and he doesn't deserve your love)
Posted by lola on 12/04/2009 at 09:39pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hi Penelope. My heart goes out to you. I feel lost, too. I try to distract myself with the good I already have in my life. It sounds like you're doing the same. You have an open invitation to my Chicago home anytime.
Posted by Joanne on 12/04/2009 at 09:56pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, I'm wondering why you two are no longer together. He was with you when you blogged about the men you slept with; how you can't process things well do to Asperger's Syndrome; he stuck by you while you couldn't pay your electric bill (but flew from Wisconsin to L.A. to get your hair done — do you think he thinks you may be bad with money?
The farmer stood by you as you told us strangers about the abortions you had (including your desire to not have the farmer's kid), and as you tweeted about having a miscarriage in a meeting!
Why would he leave you after all you went through together?
Posted by ziggy on 12/04/2009 at 09:59pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
You are so worried about your boys being hurt and that is what love and family is. You don't want them to grow up being exposed to the farmer's hateful family. You and your children deserve so much better than that. I wish the best for you all.
Posted by RS on 12/04/2009 at 10:22pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Why do his parents hate you?
Posted by Dan Owen on 12/04/2009 at 10:30pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I kinda understand that Farmer's parents are trying to protect the family assets but the outcome is a bit disturbing: a grown up man who has his personal/financial life hanging on his parents approval. This is way too adolescent. I'm sure nobody is consciously trying to ruin anybody's life, however, Mom and Pop should be less controlling, Farmer should be more mature (not for your sake but for his own), but this is real life so you should be glad. You honestly think your love – any love – would survive to this environment in the long run?
That being said, I'm deeply sorry for you and your babies. Be strong. Wish you all the best.
Posted by Ana on 12/04/2009 at 10:31pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Ana, you're wrong. The farmer isn't a grown up man. He's still a boy, tied to his mama's (and sister's) apron strings.
Posted by sL on 12/04/2009 at 10:42pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
He'll be back again, promise! He can't get enough of you…it will just come down to your decision of whether or not you want to continue to mess with his inability to be a man. Yeah farmer you heard me – I know you read this stuff.
What bothers me the most is he was all worried about looking whipped when you wanted to hold his hand at that fair so long ago. But it when it comes to cutting the umbilical cord, it appears that he is still suckling from his mother's teet.
We both know that's not the case – the farmer is stuck with one mindset that long term security can only come from his inheritance. Unfortunately, based on your other post about the family dynamics it sounds like the parents use the promise of inheritance as a bargaining chip to keep him subservient to their own whims and wishes…which is no different than a father telling their child that they won't pay for their higher education unless they make the grades and attend the college of their parents choice.
I know it's hard right now P, he will be back…you rock his world – he won't admit it, but you do, he's drawn to your fire. Find something to distract you for now…but take this time to decide if you keep wanting bang your head against this wall. Understand that if you marry into this family, they will be a constant pain in your ass. Whether you like it or not, they will be part of the package deal. He will never let them go until they pass on to a new plane of existence.
Posted by Shawn on 12/04/2009 at 10:45pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I was sort of on a roll, being more chatty in the comments section. But tonight, I am just so sad. I don't know what to add to the comments, even though I have read them all three times because the only other thing there is for me to do tonight is mope.
The conversation about what, really, is going on here is so helpful to me. Thank you.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on 12/04/2009 at 10:56pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
WOW. How sad. My heart goes out to you and your boys and the incredibly difficult conversation you'll have to have with them. But the bottom line is they have you, always, and in the end that may be all they really need.
I have to say, a man who allows his parents to use their stake in his current livelihood and future inheritance as leverage to control his personal life (so what if they hate you? don't all of us have to deal with relatives we can't stand?), rather than entertaining any one of a few seemingly viable options (like getting your own farm) is not the right man for you.
I'm so sorry.
Posted by Andrea on 12/04/2009 at 11:00pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This is tough and you deserve love, happiness and someone who will stand by you. Thank you for your open heart. Thinking of you and the kids…
Posted by Marsha Keeffer on 12/04/2009 at 11:04pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
A long long time ago, I told a boy, through a downpour of tears, that I didn't want to go to Prom with him…because I knew in my heart that he didn't really care if he went with me or not. I told him I wanted to go with someone who wanted to go with me. I had this conversation when I was 17, and now two decades later…I've found that I've had the exact same conversation (with different boys, and different companies) many many times. And you know what? – it gets easier every time. 17 year old me was wise and I didn't even realize it.
Posted by LN on 12/04/2009 at 11:15pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I've read all the comments so far and I like this one the best. Excellent. I only wish I had been so smart at 17. Took me 22 years longer.
Posted by Nannette on 12/05/2009 at 05:53am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Oh, Penelope.
I've lambasted you lots of times when I think you're being insane but today, my heart breaks for you.
Nothing is really going to take away that sadness for now, but I don't think anyone should have to work as hard to make someone love them as you have with the farmer.
You deserve someone who would sell their farm a million times over just to be with you. And your boys will be just fine, because you are teaching them an important lesson.
And that lesson is don't settle- and if you stayed with the farmer when he's willing to make so little sacrifices to be with you, it would be settling.
Things will be okay P. x
Posted by Jessica on 12/04/2009 at 11:21pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Dear Penelope,
I appreciated the link to the Psychology today article, it really resonated. I've been wrestling with whether to break up with my sweet and optimistic boyfriend, because he never seems to get how hard my life is. Now I realize that instead I need to focus on breaking with old depressive patterns. It is touching how much effort you are making to protect your kids from feeling hurt.
Only found your blog this week, and it's a gold mine of real advise, inspiration, and common sense.
Thank You!
Posted by Alizah on 12/04/2009 at 11:38pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I've never commented because I don't have anything to add, but I wanted to say that I'm sorry you are having to deal with all of this. I really enjoy your writing (especially the posts lately about Aspergers), and it hurts me to see anyone have to deal with this kind of thing.
I know farmers, and the lifers are all like that – more attached to the land than anything. In a way it makes sense – they've poured their blood, sweat and tears into that particular plot of land their whole life. They are very emotionally invested in it. But logically it makes no sense at all. What difference does it make where you farm? And how could a grown man let his parents influence his adult relationships so much?
Obviously I don't have the answer (I don't know that anyone does), but I want you to know that I'm thinking of you and your boys. Good luck.
Posted by Becky on 12/04/2009 at 11:56pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hi, Becky. Thank you for the comment. The part about farmers — how that's how they are and it doesn't make sense. I appreciate that insight. I will probably use it to second-guess all my actions, but I was second-guessing anyway. Now, at least, I have more info.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on 12/05/2009 at 12:04am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I have to agree with Becky. I am married to a farmer and know just how emotionally attached he (and his father and his grandfather) is to the land he farms. To his family, it is so much more than dirt (pardon me, SOIL…I'm still corrected on that after 20 years) that grows crops…it is their past, present and future. I am so sorry, Penelope.
Posted by M on 12/06/2009 at 01:10pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope–I am SO grateful to have found your blog–I received a link from someone on the Preemie List serv (a significant number of preemies are on the autism spectrum and I have two of them.) I'm also a therapist with a growing client population diagnosed and seeking treatment and help with Asperger's. Your experiences, insights and observations are making a huge difference in people's lives and I send many people your way. What a great resource and encouragement you are to people who often feel hopeless, misinterpreted and misunderstood. Thank you for baring your soul and your story. You will make it through this but it will hurt for awhile and you will grieve. My heart goes out to you and your boys.
Posted by Suzanne on 12/05/2009 at 12:06am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Suzanne knows of what she speaks. Unless you grew up on a farm, as I did, and were raised always knowing that you would be taking over that farm legacy, you cannot understand how important their farm is to a farmer. When I met my husband I explained to him that I would always be living on this farm and there was no point in us dating unless he would be willing to live on the farm. Our prenup protects the farm in case our marriage does not last. If it did not I could not have married him. It is hard to explain, but I honestly feel if I did not have my farm I would cease to exist. I would endure any fight or struggle to keep my farm in my family, even if I couldn't live there myself. You can say the farmer is immature or pathetic for choosing his farm, but he really has no choice. A farmer's land and legacy is his blood. No other farm will do. For him to give up his farm, or for his parents to risk losing it to someone who doesn't feel the same way about their farm, is equivalent to asking someone to give away their child or trade them for a stranger's child – unthinkable, impossible, unimaginable.
Posted by Kelly on 12/12/2009 at 02:39am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope. Your situation sucks.
The problem with your relationship is that you are a pioneer, while the farmer is a member of the landed class. Your kind strikes out on their own with nothing but their wits, and scrimps and hustles to make a life for themselves. Your kind of people are what made the USA the great nation that it is today. You break all of the tacit social rules and traditions along the way.
His kind of people are stable and conservative and build wealth slowly over generations, or lose it slowly over generations. It means that there are strict boundaries of who can breed with whom, property rights, and inheritance rights. His parents are unlikely to support somebody like you who has a statistically low probability of delivering a biological heir to their estate. His kind of people conserve and preserve the old traditions, good or bad. The British Royal family, wealthy Indian business families, and many agrarian rural societies hold these values. His kind of people sometimes breed pioneers, and these are the ones they have to cut off. I don't think he is a pioneer, nor does he want to become one. If he was a pioneer like you, he would stop farming with his parents and risk forfeiting the inheritance to follow his dream, even if that dream is starting his own farm from scratch.
The ironic thing is that his ancestors were the pioneers who settled Wisconsin. Such is life.
The question you have to ask yourself is if you are willing to become one of the landed class. Your previous blog postings suggest that your family was somewhat landed with considerable wealth at their disposal over a few generations. You forfeited it to follow your dreams. On the other hand, you are over 40, and might just be ready to settle down, but I don't think so.
He'll never respect your pioneering tendencies and you will probably never defer to his "landed class" tendencies. That is the situation you have to deal with. Good luck.
Posted by Jay Godse on 12/05/2009 at 12:27am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Please don't give up writing what you want to write, how you want to write it. I'm a writer, too, and it's hard to make the choice to threaten my relationships by writing about them. In the end, I would rather be a good artist than a good girlfriend. I would be less than my whole, best self if I didn't make that choice.
It's hard, hard to find a partner who can be brave enough to support you being your whole, best self even though it sometimes causes them pain. But just like the men and women who climb Everest, ride motorcycles, play pro football, and go to Afghanistan, and who cause pain, suffering and worry to their partners and families by doing these things, we would be less if we were not brave enough to do them, and we are worthy of partners who can deal with it.
Posted by Allison Williams on 12/05/2009 at 12:49am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I know less than nothing about farming, so maybe this is a dumb question, but why would the parents hate farming with the farmer if you lived there? You're not expected to pick apples out on the farm with the parents, right? So you wouldn't really be involved in the farming at the level the farmer is, right?
I am sorry you're hurting.
Posted by Green on 12/05/2009 at 01:02am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Some men are pigs, farmers included.
It sounds like the farmer is immature and not willing to take on any of the risks of being in a relationship. While family is important, his parents are wrong for using their farm as golden handcuffs to control their adult son. One day they will be gone, and he will be alone on his farm w/600 acres, wondering what could have been w/Penelope and her boys. And it will be too late b/c Penelope will have moved on & will be with someone that has made her a priority in his life.
I know it hurts now, but this too shall pass & each day it will hurt less. Surround yourself w/your loving boys, friends, family & your reader/subscriber/follower supporters.
Hang in there, Penelope…you are a superstar!
Posted by Donna on 12/05/2009 at 01:17am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hear Hear Donna! This line sums it up best:
One day they will be gone, and he will be alone on his farm w/600 acres, wondering what could have been w/Penelope and her boys. And it will be too late b/c Penelope will have moved on & will be with someone that has made her a priority in his life.
Remember that P. You are making the right choice.
Posted by J (the regular) on 12/07/2009 at 10:18am | permalink | Reply to this comment
*hugs*
Posted by Philip on 12/05/2009 at 01:19am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, I'm heartbroken for you. The farmer sounded great. I am so, so, so sorry. I'm sending you and your boys the biggest hugs!
Posted by Natasha Fondren on 12/05/2009 at 01:34am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm sorry you won't get your wish to live on a farm with the farmer you love, but there will be other farms/farmers for you if you want them. In an ideal world, you loving someone and them loving you back would be enough, but sometimes things just don't work out the way we think they should.
I think it will make things slightly easier on you if you don't put off telling your kids. Stop worrying and just tell them.
Posted by Anca on 12/05/2009 at 02:43am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Maybe everybody knows more about this than I do, but it sounds complicated, we're talking about the guy's life and livelihood and family and you haven't been together THAT long yet. Why not keep going with how it is? Why not allow this to be a learning experience and realize that you really do want to take him up on his offer? Make a romantic reversal? I mean don't torture yourself, you've done something very sensible, so maybe the right thing. Love is always something like this, isn't it? But if you love each other then go ahead and put up with the risks and the what not? Or at least give yourself more time to let it evolve.
Posted by Mark on 12/05/2009 at 03:27am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Dear Penelope
I tried to think of something smart to say and there is nothing. So I write what I felt. I felt physical pain around my heart and a cold sweat around my back when I read you let your kids into your bedroom. I felt my eyes becoming wet when I read you needed to turn the music loud. I felt lightened up with hope when I read your list of stuff to do. And I felt ashamed of childishly asking you to continue writing about the family affair after the Thanksgiving event entry.
I have always appreciated all of your writings but I never felt them so personal as this time. Thank you, like all of us here, I believe in you and your choice.
Posted by Isao on 12/05/2009 at 03:29am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm sure it's not easy for the Farmer's family to get the Penelope Trunk brand, if you will, and to understand your lifestyle and live with the idea that anything that happens in your life with their son might be public on your blog. I really appreciate the raw honesty with which you write about your life 360-degrees. But then I don't know if I could be so constantly candid. You do have to take that into consideration, I think. Having said that, the Farmer has known all along who you are. So this all sort of falls in his lap. I wonder what kind of drama he likes to stir up in his own life.
I think the challenge is being honest with your kids, and giving them enough information to understand and process this but without burdening them with your grief. But in the end, you can't protect them; you can only model for them how to confront challenges that get thrown at us in life. But you know this already.
Posted by MDTaz on 12/05/2009 at 03:31am | permalink | Reply to this comment
why make him choose you or the farm? i think you are looking at it from a wrong perspective. why don't you empower yourself by making a statement of choosing him, his parents, and a contentful life on the farm with your kids? you're an independent, successful entrepreneur who is not dependent upon him financially–so stay out of his business affairs with his parents, no matter how much you want to help. show respect, a cooperative nature, and humility by knowing your place in the family. being with the farmer requires you to think beyond just you and him. just keep in mind that your boys and ex-husband are a package deal that come with you. with him, his parents are part of the package. so address their skepticism by letting it be known that you are choosing him and them, and you will do what it takes to make it work in the long term. you can acknowledge they want assurance from you and the best way to reflect that is through action.
Posted by Lizzo on 12/05/2009 at 03:49am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, Lizzo's comment above is certainly worth considering if you love him this much. As much as I think it's crazy for him to choose the farm & parents over you, I agree its crazy for you to reject the parents over him.
Either way, you know what's best. Persevere for yourself and your kids. All the best!
Posted by Chris on 12/07/2009 at 11:32pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
So saddened after reading this. Sigh. *Hugs <3
Posted by phillygrrl on 12/05/2009 at 03:53am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Dear Penelope,
We saw this coming, didn't we? It doesn't make the hurting any less penetrating, but there was no other path for either of you, other than jumping off this cliff. The issues weren't really about the farm, or his parents, or the physical distance between you two, or your religious differences, or any one particular thing. There were just too many subtle differences that didn't line up. Not all your core values were meshing. But that's okay, if you love him for who is is. And he loves you for who YOU are. But it's not okay for a total commitment in marriage. That union would never have satisfied your needs. Or his.
But as I see it, nobody did anything wrong. There's no bad guy in this story. And there are no victims either. Because as much as you're hurting right now, I think when you look back on this shift of direction, I believe you'll come to the conclusion that the decision to alter the relationship was mutual. I mean, wasn't there always some doubt in the back of your mind that he was in conflict about you? And weren't you making serious concessions to make the relationship "work" for yourself? The total trust factor just couldn't quite congeal.
And may I also remind you about something else you know in your heart. Your farmer's a good man. And there is no reason to believe that he's not hurting just as much as you are at this very moment. It actually took courage to be the one who cut the cord. You think it's easy to break two hearts? The one you love, AND your own?
Dear Penelope, if you can endure the pain, and override potential resentment, I think you'll keep his lifelong friendship. You both deserve that. And your both up to the task.
With love,
Irv
Posted by Irving Podolsky on 12/05/2009 at 04:20am | permalink | Reply to this comment
It sounds to me like you made the decision for him, and it seems like you're making him choose. Wouldn't he be happy with you and 100 acres? Isn't it his parents' decision whether they deed him 500 acres? Basically, it comes down to what makes you happy, and that's the farmer, no matter how much land he ends up with. His parents sound controlling, and they're the only ones ending up happy here.
Posted by Alison on 12/05/2009 at 04:47am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thank you for also sharing this episode of your life with us, your readers and followers. I am sure it was not easy writing it, and I am sure it is not easy coping with it at the moment. I hope you will keep up the good and inspiring work you do (you do make a difference for a lot of people in the world by your choice of words you know….). I also hope you embrace your children in this period. Include them in whats going on and how you feel – to the level you feel comfortable of course. I still have a hope that this might work out for you and that you two together (you and the farmer) will find ways to handle the situation. I wish you all the best and send you a hug.
J.
Posted by Jacob Revold on 12/05/2009 at 06:03am | permalink | Reply to this comment
P
I'm new here. Can't say enough about your blog. I love it. Absolutely LOVE IT.
I dated a farmer for seven years. Moved in with him actually. Yep, me & my three kids. They were babies and after seven years they called him "Dad", even though we were not married. I was not happy with the type of relationship he had with his mother. He felt the need to tend to her land etc… real attached to his land, similar situation. I'm not saying that he should not have been so attached. However, the point is I was not attached to the land I was attached to the farmer and I thought the farmer was attached to me. I ended up buying a house of my own & we dated for a while. Once I told the kids who were 10-12 years old at the time we were breaking up for good they told me they would be okay but just wanted ME to be happy. The point is we were a family before the farmer and we are a family after the farmer. So are you.
Posted by Nannette on 12/05/2009 at 06:04am | permalink | Reply to this comment
So … the sisters who hate you should now WANT you and Farmer to get married, on the (in their minds likely) chance that he gets disinherited. That way the land eventually gets sold and they cash in.
Unless Mom & Dad are bluffing.
So much intrigue for rural Wisconsin.
Posted by Brad on 12/05/2009 at 06:06am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
You are very courageous! I can't see myself talking about my relationships that candid with anyone. Because of your honesty and being so candid, others will learn from your experiences. I guess what hurts so much for you is that you put yourself on the line for the farmer.
Children are very resilient, so they will be just fine. I know you a little bit because of your blog posts, but I do not dare think that I know you very well.
I do not want to tell you what to do, because I hate it when people tell me what to you. But, shouldn't you take a time out from relationships and just focus on being with your kids and healing your broken heart?
I have to believe that you will find your soul mate, your kindred spirit, and not rush things. In the quiet time of contemplation, ask you heart what it needs and give it exactly what it tells you.
I am sorry for your pain and I do not know what to do to help you. Avil
Posted by Avil Beckford on 12/05/2009 at 06:15am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Isn't it amazing how this kind of thing can still happen to us after our 20's? Amazing in both a good and bad way. You did the right thing. Some day that will help, but not today. Take extra care of yourself and your kids and it will all be OK.
Posted by Veronica on 12/05/2009 at 06:23am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I am really sad for you reading this but coming from rural Ireland I also understand the dilemma of the farmer. Land to a farmer is life and history and continuity. He obviously doesn't want to do anything else but farm and he feels an obligation to his parents even if the way he is executing it is misguided. The attachment to the land is something he will always have in the same way that your kids will always take priority over whatever man is in your life.
Posted by Ciara on 12/05/2009 at 07:12am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, I've only just begun offering replies to your posts, but a few days ago I commented that your situation reminded me of a four year relationship of mine that just ended; we broke up a ridiculous amount of times. So much so that once, when he broke up with me I said, "Okay, what time are you coming for dinner?". We laughed. Seriously, that's something to pay attention to- the constant break ups.
Also, I realized that I would NEVER come before his family – EVER. All I could see was coming in about 9th on the priority list and that just isn't good enough. I'm not someone who deserves to be "settled for" and taken for granted after the mom, sisters, ex-wives, ex-girlfriends, kids, God, Church, Job and who knows what else is paid attention to while I stand there making a pot of stew for the brood that treats me as "not good enough" when inside I secretly think, "I'm better than this".
You are better than this. You aren't just marrying the farmer. You are marrying his life.
I was married for quite a long time. Though it ended, during the many years that things were good, he made me feel like a prize on his arm. After the break up with the man mentioned above, who I was with for 4 years, an old friend from 15 years ago stepped back into my life. He too makes me feel like his "prize". It drove home the difference in the relationships. Being a prize is much better than being made to feel less than. You aren't less than.
Posted by cindy on 12/05/2009 at 07:15am | permalink | Reply to this comment
You are lovely and brilliant and good. He is making a dumb choice out of fear and habit.
You are wise to know this is something you will live through.
Posted by Steven Grant on 12/05/2009 at 07:21am | permalink | Reply to this comment
penelope- so sorry that you are going through this – sending hugs and thoughts your way…
Posted by jacquelyn on 12/05/2009 at 07:23am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I am relieved that you admit you know you are lost. I've been lost and out of my head before. It is the worst feeling, ever. Except for lossing someone to death. Love is the candle that wont die even if you try with all your might to blow it out. Sometimes, you just have to look at it in 3rd party and ask yourself…."am i better with it or without it"? In this case, Penelope, 3rd party it….what i see- he makes you want to love him but you arent getting what you need. He makes you cry, he makes you sad, He makes you lost!
I know first hand that no one can tell you to stop loving someone when you just CAN'T. And, in some cases maybe you wont EVER stop loving that person. But you need to step outside the situation to really see where this is NOT going. I am not going to tell you that this can never work or that he is wrong for you- that's for you to realize either way but i will ask you…is it better to be with someone that makes your insides scream in agony, makes your head obssessed, and makes your life be put on hold than to be alone????
If you should choose to walk away and be alone, your first step should be starting small- choose an anthem song. I know this sounds silly but you need to find yourself, you need to laugh, and you need to believe that there is somebody out there that is worth all the crap that has been thrown your way. Be brave.
Posted by JustJessi on 12/05/2009 at 07:36am | permalink | Reply to this comment
To look deeply is to understand. Anyone who has made us suffer is undoubtedly suffering too. Thich Nhat Hanh, Buddhist monk (1926– )
Posted by Anthony Peyton Porter on 12/05/2009 at 07:38am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Feeling lost myself today after a terrible day at work, I feel not alone on reading this post. Esp because I have a double whammy of also a relationship on verge of break-up. Ah well, all I tell myself, and maybe extend the adivce, for what it is worth to you, "This too shall pass".
I need to learn what went wrong, pick myself up & move on. easier said than done…You will be in my thoughts.
Take care
Posted by SVR on 12/05/2009 at 07:39am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Yeesh…I feel you. And I send you big hugs and lots of love.
I have just emerged, blinking, into life again after a six month hiatus spent essentially curled up in the fetal position as a way of dealing with heartache.
Feel what you're feeling…process/shed away and give yourself all the time you need. I am alone and had no reason to force myself out of my womb with a view; you have your boys and I'm sure that keeping up with them prevents you from wallowing too much…
May I make a recommendation? Hit the treadmill and release those pent up endorphins, you will start to feel better in many ways; releasing stress, negativity, soul-sucking sadness, AND comfort calories with each gasp for breath. Start an exercise regime soon, BEFORE you gain 20lbs and feel even worse! Look up "daily affirmations" on the internet…practice them, and practice loving yourself unconditionally.
Like Celine says, hearts do go on.
I'm living proof.
Alright, I'll stop being all Zen-Yoda on you,
Shera
<3
Posted by Shera on 12/05/2009 at 08:01am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Two things:
1. Becky is right about the relationship between farmers and land. It's like a relationship with God for them. Seriously. I don't think we city people can understand it.
2. I think when you look back, you will find that not moving yourself and your kids to Darlington up front was the best parenting decision you ever made. The idea that they…that HE would want you to move there and audition for the role of person-who-gets-to-stay and let the parents vote you up or down, in front of your children…oh my god. That is beyond cruel. I wonder if this guy really understands what he was expecting you to do there.
I'm sorry. I was hoping this would work out somehow.
Posted by Kerry on 12/05/2009 at 08:12am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I am not sure I get it. You did Framer, Farmer digs you, Framer's parents, what, not so crazy about you? Ok so what, Framer needs to tell his parents that he is not just a farmer – he is a man. His parents have only one possible claim to a valid judgement about you. Are you a good person, not what do you do, or are you string, or do they like you – are you good. After that their only job is to support their son. What kind of farmer is this guy? A wimp farmer?
Posted by steven germain on 12/05/2009 at 08:13am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm sad for you. I dated a man who couldn't commit for several years between marriages. I was hooked, madly in love, and just couldn't admit it wasn't going to work out, although the red flags were flying high. You deserve someone who 'gets' you and your life, wants you more than anything, and is willing to move heaven and earth to be with you. Don't settle until you find him. And know that all your kids really want is for you to be happy. My kids (grown now) don't even really remember the crazy, uncommitted guy I 'tried' to marry. But they know my DH makes me happier than they've ever seen me. Hang in there!
Posted by Hope on 12/05/2009 at 08:14am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, I have written and erased here too many times. I don't really know what to write to "take away" the sadness that permeates your blog. I can feel it. I wish I could come over and just be with you in this place, like a good friend does…"without needing to hide it, or fade it, or fix it". You are right that you have overcome so many things before and will again. Your relationship with the farmer has opened you and changed you, blessings for sure. You will dance in the sprinkles again.
Posted by Nancy Carroll on 12/05/2009 at 08:17am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Let everything happen to you
Beauty and terror
Just keep going
No feeling is final
Rainer Maria Rilke (1875–1926)
Posted by Anthony Peyton Porter on 12/05/2009 at 08:18am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Your pain is the breaking of the shell that encloses your understanding. Kahlil Gibran, mystic, poet, and artist (1883–1931)
Posted by Anthony Peyton Porter on 12/05/2009 at 08:19am | permalink | Reply to this comment
It all depends on how we look at things, and not how they are in themselves. Carl G. Jung, psychiatrist (1875–1961)
Posted by Anthony Peyton Porter on 12/05/2009 at 08:40am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Get out the shampoo . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=030YgzGQ34o
Posted by Susan on 12/05/2009 at 08:46am | permalink | Reply to this comment
This too shall pass… It's just not meant to be, and will be better for all involved. Easy for me to say, I'm not emotionally involved.
However, my objectivity is why I can also comment RE: passing along depression (or other 'issues') to your kids, keep in mind they need to join you in bed when THEIR needs dictate, not your own…
From the outside in perspective, it's been pretty easy to identify issues.
Wish you ALL the best…
Posted by Kirk in Indy on 12/05/2009 at 08:59am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I dated a guy for 8 years, and it eventually became clear that his work was more important to him than I was. It broke my heart to break up with him. But it was devastating to my sense of self to always come in second, and it was so offensive to me that a livelihood could be more important than a person.
Now I'm dating someone who really wants to be with me, no matter what kind of work either of us does. It is a million times more sustaining.
And the guy who broke my heart for work? Soon after we broke up, he gave up his career to move to Europe with another woman. Turns out I just wasn't the one for him.
In my opinion, you and your kids will be better of with someone who emphatically DOES want to date you.
Posted by Anna on 12/05/2009 at 09:02am | permalink | Reply to this comment
BTW, the guy I'm dating now won me over by writing damn good emails, and baking cupcakes with me. So you're right – those things do work!
Posted by Anna on 12/05/2009 at 09:14am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I usually never post comments on blogs, but I cannot help doing it here on yours. This time, it is because I am too angry on your behalf.
Ok, then… Drop him. Really, he has his own best interest, not yours. And his family… I am in chock. He needs to stand up for himself (and for you), and he should have done that a long time ago, not giving in to their threats, the gossip etc. In my opinion, he was the one who should protect you from that and he should have put a closure to that loooong time ago. His groundedness is not channelled into firmness when it comes to healthy boundaries, protecting you!
Knowing, you have battled eating disorders and had anema, this is actually a classic sign of a lack of "Earth" energy in Traditional Chinese Medicine within the body/mind. A lack of support during childhood, a mentally straining job, worry/overwork also contributes to depleting the Earth within us. Which makes me think… You can find that "farmer" energy YOURSELF and within yourself, don't need it from him. It is avaiable everywhere, even in the city.
Take care, support is everywhere !!!!!!!
I hope everything will work out.
Posted by Betsey on 12/05/2009 at 09:03am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to a better understanding of ourselves Carl G. Jung, psychiatrist (1875–1961)
Posted by Anthony Peyton Porter on 12/05/2009 at 09:13am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Perception is our reality. The Doctor was/is right… For those keeping score at home, I've officially used my last comment token for this post.
Posted by Kirk in Indy on 12/05/2009 at 10:09am | permalink | Reply to this comment
oh no, this post was beautiful and so melancholy
I feel like i need to lie down and deveote all energy into disliking the farmer and sending comforting vibes out to you in the states…
but what can even even be added after the lovely comments prior to this?
Posted by Janine on 12/05/2009 at 09:14am | permalink | Reply to this comment
We rarely learn when things are going great. Pain usually preceeds growth, is a heckuva teacher and motivator.
Posted by Kirk in Indy on 12/05/2009 at 09:46am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I've been a reader of your blog for months. Fell in love with it actually. So many things seem to have paralleled my own life but I am too shy to post so I live vicariously through your blog. After reading this I feel moved to comment. I had a relationship like this back in 1993. It won't get better and you won't feel secure even if he does as choose you. Come on Penelope, pull yourself out of it. If I lived near you I would be dragging you out of the house and give you a strong dose of that best girlfriend love that only good friends can give. The kind of friend-love that makes you laugh and have fun even when you feel like something is holding you to the bottom of the pool of self pity. The farmer isn't the only man in the world and from what I have read, he is a little wishy washy when it comes to the relationship area. The red flags were there, he wasn't a solid choice for a good relationship. Be strong, find a little distraction, take the kids and go on a road trip or vacation. Just forget the farmer. It all comes down to a saying I heard once, “Never allow someone to be your priority while allowing yourself to be their option”.
Love your blog and you girl!
Posted by Christine on 12/05/2009 at 09:54am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I recall a friend of mine 10 years ago, whose longtime fiance walked away from her for the arranged marriage that his parents insisted on. I was one of the friends to pick up the pieces.
In time, she healed, met a wonderful man, and married. By contrast, his Indian bride was unhappy in North America and divorced him in 2 years, taking their baby back to India with her. His parents blamed him for the divorce and disowned him. He lost everything.
It is an unhealthy thing for parents to try to manipulate their grown kids' lives.
I feel sadder for the farmer than for you, because he has lost far more.
Posted by Nancy on 12/05/2009 at 10:02am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm so sorry, Penelope.
Posted by Thelma Bowlen on 12/05/2009 at 10:06am | permalink | Reply to this comment
When you marry the man, you marry the family. You are right to walk away from this situation. While no family is perfect, there are plenty of families out there that don't expect their grown sons to remain man-children. There are plenty of families out there who accept their sons' wives as there new daughters/sisters/aunts/etc. I know you had a tough time growing up, so I don't know what your frame of reference is. However, it's possible – even common – for families to have their idiosyncracies without being mean, controlling, and abusive. My own father-in-law is an asshole, but he doesn't control what my husband does. Really, the worst thing he does is annoy us.
I don't really like to tell people what to do, but I've been reading your blog regularly for a couple years and there's this constant theme in your relations with men. I think it would be good for you to go on a man fast. Be with nobody but yourself for a good stretch of time.
In your work, you seem really good at seeing exactly what's going on in front of you. Like most of us, though, in your personal life, not so much. Right?
I think it's time for Penelope to nuture Penelope right now. I get a rushed feeling from you – like you're worried time is running out. It's not. There's plenty. I think just stopping, breathing, decompressing will help. It may hurt first. But then it will help.
Posted by GenerationXpert on 12/05/2009 at 10:43am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
Move in with farmer! You're making a decision based on a worst case scenario and asking the farmer to choose you over his parents when there is no reason why he can't have both. You are in love with a person who has a deep sense of family commitment. If he loves you with the same depth, this is the sort of person you want in your life at any cost and at any risk. Who cares of they don't like you? He loves you and if I was on my computer, I would underline love for emphasis… Seriously, you are, as you say, so completely brazen in your professional life. Why not try making the brazen choice in your personal life? I'm in a similar situation (minus the hater sisters) and not only has it worked out so far, I am perfectly content with my life. Don't give up the farmer!
Posted by Rachel on 12/05/2009 at 10:49am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Oh, I'm so sorry to hear things worked out this way. Truly.
That said, the farmer will NEVER uproot his whole life and business. You should not have asked that of him. It isn't so easy to throw away 20 yrs. of what he has built along with his family. You are pushing him to pick you over his farm (really his family) to prove he loves you. If you really love him why are you putting him in this position?
My family has been farming for many generations. Now farming has never been my thing and I could not wait to get away, but if you weren't raised that way it is difficult to understand. The farm is who he is – his identity – not just his vocation. I am not surprised it is impossible for him to walk away. It isn't as easy as doing the same work at a different company (different farm). He has built this company (farm) on a daily basis for most of his adult life. He is a lifer.
Ties on a family farm run deep and he will never separate from his family. This does not mean he does not love you. You should not expect him to abandon who he is and what he loves to prove that.
The ultimatum was a losing play. Somethings can't be forced. He has been building his business for 20 yrs. yet you expect him to decide what to do with that legacy and his future within months or weeks? His decision isn't about you or his feelings for you. Inserting yourself into the choice was a mistake.
What this will come down to is how much of yourself are you willing to compromise? To be with the farmer you will have to fit into his world, his farm, because I doubt he will ever leave.
Maybe this is just a case of different worlds, different cultures…but give it time.
Posted by Lucie on 12/05/2009 at 10:59am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think the point is that the parents are forcing this choice. Also they had their son waste $5000 in an effort to come to an agreement so he could marry Penelope and her children. They do not sound like nice people.
I'm sorry that it had to come to this. I hope things work out for you.
Posted by Sue on 12/05/2009 at 03:18pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
"For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh." You're right, Penelope. I'm so sorry that you are right, but you are – this is the time to answer this question. Not later, after you have moved your sons. So sorry.
Posted by Viviana Sutton on 12/05/2009 at 11:00am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Your reasons to ask him to make the choice now are sound. Otherwise, every day is spent analyzing all your interactions with his family. Can you publish a post because his mother will read it? Can you wear this dress to the party or will his sisters hate it? On and on. No, it's better that you make the choice today rather than allow others to make those decisions for you on a daily basis for years to come.
The farmer and his family should not make business decisions based on whether they "approve" of someone else who won't even be tied to the business. It's better to know now that he wants the farm more than he wants a life with you. Now you can spend some time healing, helping your children heal, and moving on with your life. Some people spend years in relationships before they realize they are playing second fiddle to something else.
Much love and comfort to you, Penelope. You were right to make this decision when no one else seemed willing to make one.
Posted by rainie on 12/05/2009 at 11:04am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm so sorry to read this post and know what you're going through. I know from experience that if a guy chooses his family over his girlfriend/wife, there is no changing him and the only thing to do is grieve now and move on. I wasted 14 years of my life being married to someone whose parents hated me, much of that time living in a house they owned and therefore being owned by them, and it took a huge toll on me mentally and physically. There are 2 kinds of men: the kind who never can separate from their parents and the kind who want a relationship with a woman and put that above a relationship with their parents. Find the second kind, the kind who will value you and your kids and see you guys as family–not the kind who will keep you and your boys stuck in a bad place because he's not willing to grow up and be a big boy. You owe it to yourself and to your kids–you all deserve no less than that.
Posted by Maggie on 12/05/2009 at 11:08am | permalink | Reply to this comment
UGH. This just *sucks*, no getting around it.
I was recently left by a man whom I was planning to marry and our main problem was that he always put his family before me. It just didn't work for me, tho I get that for some women that is ok.
Your kids will be ok. In the meantime, cry, yell into a pillow and keep writing.
Sending hugs and soup.
xoxox
P.S. Post about Asperger's this week was AMAZING.
Posted by brooklynchick on 12/05/2009 at 11:10am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Never let the same dog have three chances to bite you. Love yourself and your kids enough for that…
My2centsworth
Posted by Dale on 12/05/2009 at 11:19am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I agree with jessica and kerry. Pen, you and your kids need to be first in your man's life. Having been in the kids' position in this situ, I advise you not to sugarcoat your explanation to them. Tell your kids we only marry someone who thinks we are the toppermost priority. Others might settle for less but the three of us don't. I would also suggest having a goodbye meeting between the kids and the farmer for closure. Good luck.
Posted by Ayelet on 12/05/2009 at 11:35am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I love this post. Thanks!
Posted by Jen B on 12/05/2009 at 03:38pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
"Being lost cannot be avoided. The best thing to do is to try to focus on something else. I know from past experience what works: Reading, writing, cuddling with the kids, dating men who write good emails, and cooking recipes that call for lots of sprinkles." I love this — this is healing while hurting. Beautiful writing. Keep it up, keep it all up; you're doing amazing work in all areas of life.
Posted by Sarah Wood on 12/05/2009 at 11:48am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hi Penelope,
I agree with all of the commenters supporting you in your decision.
I also wanted to add a perspective from my experience growing up with a single mom. My dad died when I was 9. My mom started dating a few months later and had many serious, long-term relationships throughout my youth and into my adulthood. (She actually just got remarried to a great guy last June :)
I did bond with her boyfriends as a child, as I'm sure your sons have done with the farmer. But when the relationships ended, I got over it. My most important relationship was always with my mother.
Don't be afraid to be honest with your boys and just explain that you broke up. It happens (and they probably already understand that from your divorce). They'll probably miss the farmer for a little while, but they'll always have great memories of what they learned and experienced on the farm. And the MOST important relationships they have and care about right now are with you and their father. They'll be fine :)
Don't spend energy on guilt or worry about your kids. Just let yourself heal. You did the right thing.
Posted by Melissa on 12/05/2009 at 01:20pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope:
I have shared your CNN interview with many colleagues and friends. I love how uncomfortable that interview is, and how much of that discomfort was driven by the fact that the interviewer really wanted you to just admit that you were wrong and his world order was right. But you stuck up for complexity, honesty, and the validity of experience as a lens that prevents things from getting simple. I found the discussion riveting, refreshing, and encouraging. Thank you for that. I then began to follow your blog, and I have to admit I cringed when I found out that the farmer had commitment issues. When people tell us up front what their limitations are, they generally really mean it, even if their actions seem to betray the words. I used to live with a man who told me every six months or so that we were not a forever thing. While this may have been a pressure release for him, I eventually thought it was just sort of sadistic: that he could manage continuing a relationship by making it clear that the relationship would end. Ultimately, it's just no good to be reminded that you're not the priority. That's the whole point of a great relationship–to be cherished. And you're so worth cherishing. And your'e an invested, smart, generous, insightful mom. Make sure your boys know how terrific you are by not letting them see you with someone who doesn't stand up for you in every way. One of my friends asked me once aobut a new boyfriend, "And does he show significant worship?" She meant it as a joke. Sort of. But it made sense: the answer was no… and it was time to go. I thank you for your bravery and for making the daily rich and beautifully complex. I'm pulling for you from five states away.
Posted by Jen B on 12/05/2009 at 02:29pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
When I read the title of your post, I thought it was a follow-up to your last post, about not being able to follow directions, etc. So I was blown away by the actual subject.
From the moment you said you were engaged to the farmer, I was worried something like this might happen. After all, he broke up with you so many times, what was it that made this time so different? I know the worst part is dealing with your boys – it's so hard to explain matters of the heart to a 7 year old. But you have to soldier on and make the best of it – and be thankful that it didn't fall apart AFTER you were married. My heart breaks for you, Penelope. But you are a very strong person, and this too shall pass.
Posted by prklypr on 12/05/2009 at 02:32pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, let me play devil's advocate.
You don't want to move to the farm and risk that his parents won't like you, and the farmer will choose the farm over you. That's a lot of what ifs. It could work out well, and maybe in he would chose you and the kids. But maybe not. And you're not willing to risk it all to only have it unravel. Fair enough.
On the other hand, you're asking the farmer to give it all up for you–to leave the farm, start a new farm somewhere else, and hope that things that work out. If you and him don't work, he's lost everything–you and the farm.
There isn't a wrong or a right in this situation. One of you has to be willing to take a risk for the other. It sounds like neither of you are willing to do that.
Posted by kara on 12/05/2009 at 02:59pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Unclear: In what way has P not taken a giant risk already? She made a huge move with her kids. This is not a maybe-it'll-work-if-you-only-try-harder moment. It's more of a how-long-will-it-take-until-I-grant-myself-some-forgiveness-for-trying-so-hard kind of thing. I think the point is that she really doesn't know whether he would choose her. That's the message worth paying attention to. When it comes to love (the unconditional kind), we need to KNOW.
Posted by Jen B on 12/05/2009 at 03:12pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I can see kara's point though. I mean, from the farmer's perspective, it would be like saying to Penelope "Let's get married, and if it doesn't work out, you lose your kids." I mean there's NO WAY she would choose the marriage with that hanging over her head.
And yes, you marry forever. But when you're in your 40s, and you've seen marriages end, you can't help but know that it's possible. It's bad enough without having part of it be to lose your farm (him) or your kids (her, in my analogy).
I don't think the farmer is hung up on his parents; I think he's hung up on his farm. Which, if he weren't, how sad. Like Penelope's first priority would be her kids (I assume), his is his farm. The problem is, he doesn't own the whole farm, so to keep it he has to get along with his parents. It's a difficult situation.
I don't know him, but there must be a doubt in his mind about the stability of the relationship. For one thing, he has broken up with Penelope many, many time. For another, Penelope has had one-night-stand(s) while traveling, while they were engaged. Those things just don't give the best feeling about longevity (assuming they are not polyamorous on the latter – and it didn't sound like that type of arrangement in the writing of it).
In reality though, vs. my analogy, Penelope does not lose her kids if they divorce. But he does lose his farm.
I don't see where he is the villain or the wimp here. I just see an impossible situation given the people and the history involved.
Posted by Pen on 2009-12-06 13:43:55 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
Its true a person does need to KNOW,
but eveyone muddles along at a certain pace and you can't back someone into a corner and get the response you desire.
(speaking from experience of being in a relationship with a commitment phobe that did eventually, way way way eventually, work out.)
It takes time anyway is what I mean. No one should be forced to make a hard and fast choice right away right now. But I did it loads of times so I know its hard not to do that. Its hard not to KNOW right away.
Posted by Janine on 12/05/2009 at 03:20pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Family businesses are hard. But my sister and brother-in-law have made great strides for themselves in trying to be independent from his very over reaching family. There really is a way to do it. I think you are putting too much on yourself… He seems to make you really happy, so give more thought to the relationship and be more optimistic.
Posted by McK on 12/05/2009 at 04:03pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
penelope, i'm so sorry for what you all are experiencing–including the farmer and his family.
we have a family farm that has been in my dad's family for many generations. it is the place i feel happiest on the earth, and i feel like the energy of all those generations is still alive in the soil and the sky and the trees there. i know my siblings feel the same way–including the one that doesn't live close by anymore.
when my brother got engaged, my mom (drawing on years of experience in being married to my dad) told my brother's fiancee, "know this going in: if you make him choose between you and the farm, he'll choose the farm. try very hard not to put him or yourself in a situation where he has to choose." this was not meant to be threatening. it was said in a caring way, and she wanted my now-sister-in-law to know what she was getting into.
i know it might sounds crazy, but the farm is part of our family. selling it to someone else would feel almost–not quite, but almost–like selling my dad to someone else.
as many have commented, your post is beautifully written, and i ache for you and for the farmer and for both your families.
Posted by mcsmiblee on 12/05/2009 at 04:31pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Phew! That's one heck of a story. I guess one way or another you will have to make a decision and take a step into the dark.
Posted by David at Brilliant CV on 12/05/2009 at 04:46pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hi Penelope,
My girlfriend said I have to read this blog because you are a bit on the controversial side and a fantastic writer. So I just finished reading your blog and I had to post a comment. I'm 39 (the 'f' word approaching much too quickly), on unemployment, single mom for the last almost 9 years, my career just was kicked out from under me almost 3 months ago and I recently realized that the man I was dating (who decided in his head that he wanted to date someone else and started to, but didn't bother tell me until too late)is the first man I have let myself fall in love with in 20 years and I had to tell him as he told me that he was involved with someone else. Soooo, my life took a big doo doo. However, like you, I have had to reinvent myself. I have just partnered with my best friend and we are opening our own company. It has been empowering and definitely a great distraction from the "I love you and you don't love me back and there isn't a damn thing I can do about it" scenario. I am logging in almost running 15-20 miles a week to clear my head and have filled an entire journal about the affairs of the heart. My children who drive my insane sometimes, but are my sanity and purpose of my life, are trying to figure out why mommy likes to run so much recently. They are 11 and 9 1/2 and are the best blessings that have ever been bestowed on me. So I am writing to you as a kindred spirit of single parentdom and figuring the affairs of the heart to let you know that there are other like you understand EXACTLY what you are going through. I also have my issues, being a diagnosed ADD/ADHD child and focus and completion of tasks are sometimes absolutely daunting for me. But like you, you figure out what tools work best and you just go for it and make it happen. Great blog. Thanks for reading this. Best Wishes to you and your boys. :)
~Merri Lou
Posted by Merri Lou on 12/05/2009 at 04:47pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Dear Penelope, I read your blog ravenously and I've never commented, but as a single mom navigating the dating world I thought I would comment today, as I know sometimes the advice of a stranger can be just as comforting and resonant as that of a friend. Or you may find it not at all applicable– but here goes.
About 10 years ago I sat on a curb, bawling, at 5 AM, after the man I envisioned as the love of my life left me for similar (deeply family rooted) reasons. I sat there because I couldn't stand to cry in my bed for a minute longer thus wandered to a comfortable street-level perch where I alternately sobbed and took down little raw notes about my throbbing feelings. I couldn't understand how he could choose their wishes and demands over mine, and I refused to accept it. After hours, a sunrise, and pages full of scribbles,I became resolute, and vowed to get him back despite his warnings that he would not respond to my attempts and would not recant his decision.
I stubbornly,doggedly, and (I will admit) pathetically pursued him anyway. I wore down his resistance, and 3 months later we were married and I was pregnant. The next two years were the most harrowing in my life. His pentup confusion, anger, fear and the growing divide between him and his closeknit family led to a violent and resentful homelife. When I finally escaped our relationship and many times since, I had the revelation that the pain I felt that morning at 5 AM was there for me to live through and to feel. I was not meant to try and overcome it by acting blindly out of desperation. I tried to change another person's staunchly made up mind simply to assuage my own pain. I intentionally wedged myself between him and his family- so much so that my daughter has little to no relationship with them, which I deeply regret.
I have followed your relationship with the farmer closely and it seems he's a good man who's been patient and kind to you and your children. I hope he comes around– not just so that true love will prevail but because I think it's a solid relationship, inclusive of the kids, ironically often the family members most hard to please. But in the meantime, you are right to do what you are doing now. Live through the hurt and fear and don't look for a magic pill or escape hatch. you're teaching thousands of women who read this empowering blog that it's ok to get wounded as long as you allow the wound to heal naturally. I applaud and respect you, and hope you know in your heart that a woman of your capacity and talent will always eventually land on her feet.
As for the kids, I think your honesty and openness throughout serves you well here. Just continue to act as you have been acting– no subterfuge, but not necessarily a dramatic announcement either.
Also, Reese's Peanut Butter cups.
Posted by BLC on 12/05/2009 at 04:49pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Great post, BLC. We all live and learn, don't we? I hope that things have worked out for you since then. :)
Posted by Merri Lou on 12/05/2009 at 05:35pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I like that both of you — Merri Lou and BLC — posted their own stories. I am learning so much about the boundaries of love from the stories in this string.
-Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on 2009-12-05 20:37:54 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
P, It's all poignant reading, but the part that really reached me is when you said the kids were happy and you felt like you were "doing something right." One of the hardest parts about being a parent, especially a single working mom, is that we suffer from a sense of constant inadequacy. Take a step back and think about how well you've done with your kids–they sound happy and fun, and there is obviously lots of love between the three of you. Most important, you've given them the gift of making sure their dad is in their lives. A no-brainer for you, but not every divorcing couple can be that adult.
So sorry about the farmer. When we grow older sometimes we gain the painful understanding that love is not enough to make a successful life together. I am sad for you but glad you didn't jump in and subject yourself to a lifetime of what happened on Thanksgiving.
Posted by Sue Boggs on 12/05/2009 at 04:57pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Oh, and my quote that keeps me going, "Guard your heart above all else, for it determines the course of your life." ~Proverbs 4:23
Keep your kiddos first and hang it there, girlfriend. It gets better. I'm finding I can use my head for reason, but it is okay to listen and follow your heart as well. Good Luck!
Posted by Merri Lou on 12/05/2009 at 04:59pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think the issue here is money, and only money. Penelope is obviously extremely high maintenance in every sense of the word, and only a very large income could pay for her needs (e.g. haircuts in L.A., full-time personal assistant, etc.). The farmer cannot possibly generate enough income from a 100 acre farm, which is all he personally owns. He needs to share in the income from farming his parents' 500 acres to have any chance at supporting this family, and he knows it. He cannot count on a decent income from Penelope — whatever she contributes would have to be viewed as a bonus by them, because it's not reliable, it's a lottery ticket.
What Penelope asks him to do — support this family on a 100 acre farm — is simply not economically viable. That's why the opinions of the parents matter, just like the opinion of Penelope's CEO and COO and board members matter to her!
Posted by Another farmer on 12/05/2009 at 05:01pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
It's interesting that you think the farmer needs to support her family financially. Who do you think is supporting her family now? Because I'm guessing it's HER.
In my experience, running a company provides a steadier income than farming. Owners of companies get paid during droughts, floods, early freezes, hailstorms, etc. Farmers don't.
Posted by Kerry on 12/05/2009 at 05:20pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Another Farmer,
What kind of stupid ass comment was that? Like where's Penelope getting money right now for her high maintenance?
I fail to see what the big issue is here with this land business (and guess what, I was involved in family farming for many years). I suspect, as usual, Penelope is making this much harder than it needs to be. Don't even get me started on the farmer and his family – I moved to Wisconsin when I got married, I know what these people are like. Narrow minded as all get out.
I don't know Penelope's net worth. But she's no beggar off the street. Nor is she a gold digger. I bet she's got her own gold. If anything, maybe she should be worried about legal protection from HIS family. What could they have taken from her business? Farms are money pits, don'tcha know.
But here's the thing: His business, her business. People do this all the time. There are legal titles, such as LLC, corporations, pre-nups and all, and they all take care of issues like this.
I question that there actually was a real love between Penelope and the farmer. If there had been, this land business could not have separated them. Nor could his idiot sisters. I really have a problem with those sisters!
The two I feel most for are Penelope's children. They are young, sensitive little beings who don't understand the complexities of life. We adults love to say they are resilient because it makes us feel less guilty. But guess what, what we do affects kids. Penelope, you can't do this to them too many times without repercussions. And shame on the farmer and his family for not loving two, innocent little kids enough to open their brains.
Posted by rennie on 12/05/2009 at 07:32pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
Although I often lose hope for myself, I have hope for you.
Brianne
Posted by Brianne on 12/05/2009 at 05:26pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm sorry things didn't work out for you guys. And, as a mum, I understand your sadness for your little fellows, who will be losing a friend. I wish you strength, and many more healing nights cuddled with their little warm bodies. It's so good to love, and be loved. There'll be sunshine after the storm.
Posted by Alex on 12/05/2009 at 05:29pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I married an amazing man that WAS hopelessly tied to his family – emotionally, financially, and physically. It was HELL that got more hellish with each day to deal with his family, and their never ending disapproval of me and my “inability to get grounded and just be satisfied with less.” I have been reading your blog for nearly a year. It was there when I had a job, lost a job, and it helped me to find a new job. I feel like I am reading my own thoughts, fears, and insecurities as I read your posts. I am an only-child, I have Aspergers, (ADHD, Anxiety, Past Eating Disorders, Type A personality (Or "D" depending on the test), hyper protective clueless anti social parents who are lacking social skills and obsessive with honesty, a tendency to eat 7 peanut butter and jelly ‘halfs’ in the dead of night due to my inability to sleep, anxiety, the ability to get lost 1 block from my house- often, compulsive tendencies, inability to remember my age at any given time and then the stress of doing math to figure it out, the reputation for being scatterbrained or mean (which is really just the Aspergers), perfectionist expectations which I never meet, inability to read others facial clues or understand why they are all the sudden upset with me, a bad habit of thinking only of myself, I have been fat, skinny, anorexic, bulimic, binge eating, and now a yo-yoer who also wishes to be ana just for a week to lose to stress eating pounds, and the list goes on…… My husband and I laugh as read your posts, we both agree that you sound exactly like me! He jokes that he thought no one else was like me. I live meal bars, and often eat 3 or 4 at one sitting to avoid some task or undesired feeling. I have been described as genuine to a fault, high-strung, too honest, crazy, and I am sure many other often negative descriptions! BUT- My point is this- I married a wonderful man (sensitive, patient, loving, self-less, relaxed, level headed, ….) who I was warned by others to be "VERY" close to his family. I shrugged it off, married him, and paid big time! He worked in the family business of real estate and we lived in his house 3 doors down from the parents. Long Long story short- the family business which he clinged to, the parents who micromanaged our lives and criticized me for being “too independent,” stealing him away, making him “not act like himself” and more that I can’t remember right now. This went on for 2 years, through real estate financial strains ( no income), my husband being newly diagnosed with Chrons disease (very very sick and $2000 a month meds every month), and the stress of marriage and finding jobs right out of college( in his families retirement city home with 80% of residents over 50). I did not have a period for 3 months and thought I was pregnant. Went to the doctor- turned out it from the blood work that my hormones were no existent. Got an MRI for a brain tumor as the doctor had never seen a 25 year old woman. There was no tumor and it was determined to be stress related. The stress of them pressuring us daily, calling Justin every few minutes, their snide remarks, his siblings cold stares, it slowly started to wear me down mentally and physically. The anxiety of dealing with his family on a DAILY basis was too much for us both. The dinners every night, the game every week, the Wednesdays the cooked chicken, the expectations NEVER ended. They pressured us into seeing them a ridiculous amount of time (as they were self employed and used their children as entertainment) SO GRAND FINALE- My life was HELL living with his family, and him working their business. My husband was perfect for me, and I loved him dearly but it began to be too exhausting and lethal to my core beliefs and person. Broke, both of sick, beaten down, and still fighting we began to look for jobs in other cities. I went to school on nights to get a teaching certification added to my present Bachelors Degree. We were able to move (in debt horribly) to another city 6 hours away. I now am healthy as is my husband and our marriage is better than ever. His family hates me with a passion unmatched, still has a server problem with codependency and inability to let their children leave the nest. His mom constantly schemes to get him back into the family business and away from me, BUT by being away from them we are able to build our marriage stronger and separately now that they are only a rainstorm in the distance, not a tornado on our block. It has made our marriage 100 times different, but it took him growing up and taking a big chance – risking it all to have me and to have OUR lives. I am still hard to deal with, and he is still patient and loving- and it works because its US, not his family + me. Being married to this amazing man, still attached to his family in so many ways caused me to lose myself and become bitter, angry, and withdrawn. The only cure was to build OUR lives with our dreams, not to piggyback onto his parents business. Wait for the guy that is willing to risk it all for you and FIND your dreams as a couple. It’s well worth it.
Posted by Diana on 12/05/2009 at 05:59pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
PS- If you ever get down to Dallas – I expect a email :)
Posted by Diana on 12/05/2009 at 06:03pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Although I think your blog is excellent, I only read it sporadically, so I'm asking for your understanding in advance in case I comment based on erroneous perceptions or on details that were covered in an earlier post.
I guess I'm wondering why you turned down the farmer's invitation to live with him. Why are you making this a stand-off and turning it into a choice between you and the land? It seems like you've created this situation yourself. Do you think it possible that your own lack of self-esteem or insecurity is causing you to turn this into a test of the farmer's commitment?
Do you know for sure that his parents "hate" you? Or is it that you dislike them because they have such a hold on their son?
I don't say these things to be unkind; I really respect the quality and content of your writing. I ask these questions because I am insecure and lack self-esteem, and so it's easier for me to spot those same tendencies in another person.
His parents won't be around forever, I would live with him and stop agonizing over things that haven't materialized.
Again, I am surely missing many details of your relationship.
Posted by claudia on 12/05/2009 at 06:04pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I have greatly admired your writing, both stylistically and because of the searing honesty with which you write. This piece was certainly indicative of those qualities.
The farmer is basically a nice guy, and it seemed as though you complemented each others' personalities in many ways. But it is hardly surprising that he's never been married (his sisters did tell you about several serious relationships he had). Clearly, his first (and lasting), love is his farm, which serves to underscore his attachment to his parents.
You are quite right about our all being "regular", although this needn't have a perjorative connotation. Nonetheless, we all experience "irregular" circumstances in our lives, providing a great deal of room for unforeseen benefits to emerge from difficult situations.
Feeling lost is part of the grieving process, which you're understandably going through. There may indeed be no "magic solution", but all the "sprinkles" you wrote about will ultimately continue to brighten your life.
Looking forward to many more exceptional articles.
Best,
Adriane
Posted by Adriane Schuster on 12/05/2009 at 07:11pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hi Penelope,
I've been reading your blog for months (bought your book) and this is my first comment. I found this entry particularly moving. I'm sorry you're going through a tough time, and appreciate your final words of optimism. I'm only 24, but can relate to a sense of feeling lost as a result of a relationship (8 months ago I ended a 4.5 year relationship with a great partner who unfortunately had substance abuse issues). I'm just about to graduate law school, too, so a lot is changing for me.
I've been thinking a lot lately about what it means to be lost, or as I prefer, "in transition"… what it means to realize that, despite wanting something so badly, it's just not in the cards. It's a tough pill to swallow. What gets me through is knowing that I'm doing my best, and that life is all about these challenges. What an excellent role model you're being for your boys in showing them that their stability comes first, and that hey, life is complicated. You'd be doing them no favours pretending it wasn't.
As for the relationship, it sounds like you and the farmer want two different things: he wants his parents, and you want him. Antoine de Saint-Exupery, in Le Petit Prince, wrote: "Love does not consist of gazing at each other, but of looking outwards in the same direction." If you don't share the same long-term goals, better to find out now.
Wishing you peace and clarity, and thanks for your honest writing.
Posted by Lindsay on 12/05/2009 at 08:10pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This is a nice comment, Lindsay. Thanks. I like the part about doing one's best. That's a good goal to focus on right now. And that quotation from the Little Prince really gets me thinking — it's a great way to look at marriage.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on 12/05/2009 at 08:47pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm so sorry, but I have to agree with the first person who commented. You deserve to be with someone who chooses you over anything. A farm, a job, his parents, etc..
There can be other farms, there certainly can be other jobs, and parents will (almost always) love their children no matter what choices they make, but there isn't another you.
Posted by Carmen on 12/05/2009 at 08:30pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I have to ask: why are you putting the farmer in a position where he has to choose between staying on the farm and being with you? If he insisted that you choose between blogging and being with him, wouldn't we all agree that you shouldn't be put in such a position, and that you would be right to say that you refuse to stop blogging? So why make him choose between the two things most important to him? Especially when the choice is unnecessary? If his parents refuse to give him the farm (which is far from certain), then you guys can deal with it when it happens. But trying to force a choice between you and his farm and family — that seems like making trouble. Why should he leave the life he loves for any woman? What pressure that puts on you to make your relationship "worth it"! Don't make him make that choice — unless you are looking for a way out of the relationship.
Posted by Martha on 12/05/2009 at 09:03pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I want to add one thing — the crucial test in any relationship is how the people deal with conflict. Conflict always arises: can the people deal with it in a way that doesn't destabilize the relationship? It sounds as if he deals with it by breaking things off, which is a bad sign. You deal with conflict by issuing ultimatums — also a bad sign. I think one thing to be learned from this situation is not to jump into things (like engagements) without more careful consideration. The other thing is that successful relationships aren't simply about strength of feeling, though that also has to be there. They're about being able to negotiate difference: he has to be able to do it, and so do you.
Posted by Martha on 12/05/2009 at 09:07pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I came to Darlington from St. Louis and lived their for 8 years before I left 4 years ago for near-Madison. When I first heard you were dating the farmer there was so much I wanted to tell you as someone with a similar background gone there and back. Darlington is a peaceful, slow place where one can breathe when first plopped in…but after a while there is no oxygen left in the bowl…and you must leave in order to breathe again. At first you do feel like a fish out of water–Darlington can be like a womb away from the world–but then you realize jumping out of that bowl was the best thing you could ever do for both yourself and your children. So glad you didn't end up waiting to breathe again.
Posted by Jody Kapp on 12/05/2009 at 10:15pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, I am so very sorry and will keep you and your family in my prayers. I am rooting for you and hope things work out for the best concerning your loved ones. May God keep you and bless you and provide a solution so you can obtain the desires of your heart. Take it one day at a time, sweetie pie. Virtual hugs. Regards, C.
Posted by CTannStarr on 12/05/2009 at 10:24pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Found this blog by my fellow blogger C Tann Starr on http://www.activerain.com. First I must say you are a good writer. Something about your writing I can put my finger on it or explain it but I love it. It is hard to let go of someone or something you have loved for so long. I guess that is why we should never grown attached to anybody or anything. If the farmer really loves you,he will do everything he can to be with you.
If you love someone you do everything in your power to let nothing get in your way of making it work. I am not no Dr. Phil by the way-Im not trying to be one either. But please dont think it is your fault which sometimes people are quick to assume it is them when in all honestly its not. You are going to be fine. Keep the faith and know that God will never leave you at a time that you need hime the most. Always thank God for what he is done and what he is going to do in your life. The best in your life is yet to come-Remember that.
Posted by Lanre on 12/06/2009 at 03:03am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I admire your bravery, but you should stick with the Farmer.
You have to learn to make the people who hate you to like you instead, and that requires you to sacrifice a bit of who you are, and that's not fair nor feminist, but I think it's worth it in the end.
Don't ask me how to do that, cause I don't know, but I think my mother does. The thing you have to realize, is that if you stick it out long enough, one day, the farmer will realize that his insistence on farming with his parents is just some Freudian obsession, and you guys will live happily ever after, especially after the parents die, or get too sick to hate you (but let's pray they should never be in pain).
Posted by Naomi on 12/06/2009 at 03:59am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I hope you're joking in this comment? I mean, you have to make people who hate you, like you? That sounds wrong to me.
And the farmer realizing he has a "Freudian obsession" and just getting over it? I don't think so. He's a farmer. He loves his farm. That shouldn't and won't change (or there is an infinitesimal chance). Just like Penelope won't decide she doesn't love her kids. Farmer/farm Parent/children.
Posted by Pen on 12/06/2009 at 02:00pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
You've got to be kidding right? When Pandora's box was opened, the only thing left was hope and it is clearly a double-edged sword. It can get us through tough times but also gives us "false hope." Like, he can change, I need to work harder, etc. News flash: don't waste your time. I watched my mother make these same mistakes with my father, hoping he'd change. Fact is, adults don't change their basic, ingrained instincts, only behaviors and habits. She spent 26 trying to change someone and still haven't gotten the message because she's trying it with me, which will NOT happen unless I'm in a coma. A mama's boy will always be that and he'll dump you again if his parents express their dislike. No way to live, babe. You deserve better. BTW, this is my first post although I've been following your blog for about a year.
Posted by Celine on 12/08/2009 at 12:51am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I guess what I mean by "sometimes you have to make the people who hate you to like you" is that sometimes you are stuck in a situation that is utterly great except for a minor but painful detail… and you can't let that minor detail ruin the big, sweet picture.
My mother lived with a evil mother-in-law all her life and my father definitely sided with his mother 80% of the time in the first 20 years of their marriage. But she stuck it through and according to her, it's worth it, because my father eventually admitted that his mother is a bitch, and they are growing old together.
What I've seen from marriages around me is that 99% of the time women always are the ones who make the most sacrifices… it's not fair, but it's the way our society always end up running. This is why I'm very pessimistic about marriages, because strong and capable women have a harder time adjusting themselves.
Posted by Naomi on 12/10/2009 at 09:52am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope never told the farmer to stop farming, so I don't get why the farmer can't just buy/rent his own farm, why must he farm with his parents? Maybe it's a farmer thing… but really, I think it's Freudian obsession.
Posted by Naomi on 2009-12-10 09:56:41 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
First, let me say that this is sad, and I'm so sorry that you have to go through this.
Next, though, I want to say that though I understand your pain, I'm not sure what there is to be confused about. If there's anything I've learned from your blog, it's a rational way of understanding emotional turmoil like this.
How much is marriage worth to the farmer? Well, most of his life, he's lived with his parents in a specific area that he's really attached to. That seems healthy and normal. If he were going to change his job, and go farm somewhere else, and not see his parents, would that change be worth it for him?
I read on your blog that moving for your job only makes you happier if your salary increases by $150,000. And even though this seems to be "the number," I personally am not sure that there is any amount of money that could make up for loss of family, friends, and a familiar setting. (We may have the means for a peripatetic lifestyle, but our brains are not really wired for it.)
So… it seems normal to me that the farmer chooses his family and his home over something new and unknown. It seems normal that he would want to ADD to what he has– bringing you there– but not give it up. BUT it also seems perfectly normal to me that YOU would not want to move there. Even though you don't have as much connection to where you are now as he does, you have some connection. So, if there's a chance it won't work out– like he'll one day choose his life over yours– that does not seem like a good deal for you. On the other hand, if you feel like you would gain a lot by giving it a try, and that you are not losing much by leaving Madison, then that might be worth it.
My advice: Date someone who already lives where you live!
P.s. I am making a similar decision at this time. It is not easy at all. I do not mean to make it sound that way.
Good luck.
Posted by Rachel on 12/06/2009 at 06:49am | permalink | Reply to this comment
That really sucks about the farmer. I'm sorry.
Posted by Sarah Bush on 12/06/2009 at 07:34am | permalink | Reply to this comment
If I lived anywhere close to you, I would leave a basket of pear-granola muffins on your doorstep. And I would write a note reminding you to call if I could help with anything.
Posted by melanie gao on 12/06/2009 at 07:52am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Naomi,
I hope that what you wrote was tongue in cheek. If not, it's insane.
Posted by cindy on 12/06/2009 at 09:02am | permalink | Reply to this comment
There's been plenty of sympathy for Penelope in these comments, but not much analysis. This blog is nominally about career advice, so I'd like to take a look at that aspect.
The farmer owns 100 acres outright, and farms another 500 acres in a partnership. This is his "company", and he is the key employee but not the majority owner. The members of the farmer's "Board of Directors", who own over 80% of the company, also happen to be his parents. Which makes things trickier.
Penelope advised the farmer to get a lawyer and confront his board of directors with an ultimatum — "Give me control of this company, or I quit." I have been in this situation myself, as majority owner when a key employee gave me a similar ultimatum. Whether as a matter of pure logic or pure emotion, I could not give in to this "blackmail" even though (as he very well knew) I would suffer a large immediate loss by letting him quit. I called his bluff, just as these owners/parents did. The fallout from this confrontation will have major personal and business consequences for all parties, which have barely been touched on in this blog entry. For example, do you think the relationship between the farmer and his parents will ever be the same again?
Penelope's expertise is in providing career advice. Did she give the farmer good career advice?
Posted by Another owner on 12/06/2009 at 09:06am | permalink | Reply to this comment
yes, she gave him good advice. advice is not outcome-dependent, nor is it necessarily an ultimatum (even in this case. really.). the advice was taken by the farmer with whatever free will he feels he has–he must have seen value in this. p provided this advice, knowing that it might not produce results favorable to her. that's as objective as it can get in a love relationship.
Posted by thatgirlinnewyork on 12/09/2009 at 12:42pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I was so sorry to hear this. You have been so excited about the future with the farmer, even in the face of a great change (moving to the farm), you were totally accepting of the possibilities and so were your kids. This is heartbreaking in so many ways, but I understand the pressures the farmer is facing. We all want a man who will fight for us. But you have found your worth in so much more than the men you date. I know you will be okay, and it's all right to grieve for a while. I'm anxious to see where your life takes you next.
Posted by BB on 12/06/2009 at 10:02am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I must add that you have inspired me to be more creative and daring in my own business, which I started a year ago. I've honestly taken notes while reading your entries. As my business success multiplies, I feel like I'm losing grip on my marriage, and not because my time is divided, but because the realities of owning my own business and being the CEO, VP, Manager, and Frontlines person all in one body have brought out some pervasive differences between me and my spouse that were no doubt there before we ever got married — there was just never an opportunity for them to make themselves visible. I tell you, entrepreneurship makes your brain forge so many new neural pathways that it opens up thought processes in other aspects of your life, revealing truth in a way I never thought possible. Thank you for being a partner in tackling this life, as I read your blog often.
Posted by BB on 12/06/2009 at 10:16am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Probably 100 people already told you this, but me being just another regular person, will tell you this anyway — hang in there. This guy obviously doesn't deserve you. Tell your kids the truth, just the way you described it to your readers – that he's willing to choose his parents and farm over you – kids are smart and they do understand grown up stuff better than we think. Make meaningful connections with good friends and with your kids. Good luck!
Posted by RD on 12/06/2009 at 10:36am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hi Penelope – We've exchanged emails on a couple of occasions. One time you appreciated what I had to say about marriage and how we determine if our partner is truly good for us. I feel compelled to respond to your
most recent post, which I find both beautiful and compelling. I hate to use two versions of the word "compel" in one sentence but at the moment I cannot find an appropriate substitute for either, and I cannot wait to write what I want to say. I hope I am not overstepping
any boundaries, but you're all about blurring boundaries anyways, so I feel comfortable in reaching out to you. I apologize in advance for any (false) assumptions I make about your life and experience.
What you truly want appears right within your reach, and I am convinced that it is not only our right but our duty to create and, just as importantly, receive what we want. I'm hearing from you that the farmer has been forced to choose between his parents/farm and you, and he is choosing his parents/farm. I'm also hearing that you have
been forced to choose between him and a steady, certain future. And you're choosing a steady, certain future (which most assuredly will not be steady and certain). You're choosing a certain "clean" heartbreak now, over a possible "messy" heartbreak later.
Plus, you're also betting on his parents hating you.
You know that Albert Einstein saying, "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them" (or something like that)? I love that. When I stopped believing that I had to make sacrifices to have what I want, my whole world changed. My suggestion to you would be to simply consider that. What if both
of you could have exactly what you want at the same time, without having to sacrifice for one another? How would that look? I totally believe it's possible, and really the only way to live. But we have to be willing to take a step out and, like Albert advises, think about the situation in a new way. Perhaps you've found as well that when we think about something in a new and creative way, all sorts of doors seem to open overnight that we never would have dreamed possible.
If you want the farmer, go get him. We cannot go wrong in following our heart's desire.
I am feeling love for you and your family. Thank you for your continued openness and authenticity.
Posted by Andrea on 12/06/2009 at 11:01am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I am a longtime reader but have never commented. I admire most everything you do in your life and your poetic style in reflecting on it/sharing it with the rest of us. I just wanted to say I'm sorry, your pain is palpable in your post. I've had my share of heartbreak too, but as my mom says, "A broken heart is the only way for light to find its way in" (or something to that effect!). You will find love again–you are simply too attractive (in the most literal sense–you draw people to you and make things happen!) not to. For now, focus on yourself and your boys and the small, happy things in life. Good luck to you!
Posted by christine on 12/06/2009 at 11:05am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I am commenting for a second time on this post. I have been reading every single word, and each time, wondering what was in the back of my mind. It's what Andrea said. I agree. Life is wholly unpredictable. My brilliant brother toasted my brilliant sister at her wedding. He said, "Always choose in the direction of love." He lost his one big love because he couldn't work out how to be a step-father to her son. It wasn't a solvable problem but so many things, even when you check all the boxes, aren't solvable. Go back to the farmer and tell him OK, you'll give it a shot. OK, you love him enough. Someone has to love someone else enough for these things to work.
Posted by LPC on 12/06/2009 at 11:35am | permalink | Reply to this comment
IF there were no kids involved, I would say go for it. True, we all want a man who will fight for us, who will stand up for us, but as others have mentioned, you yourself might not have reacted so well had he requested you give up blogging for HIM.
Nobody's perfect. Sometimes it takes years and years of shared history for that self-sacrificial love to develop.
Sometimes we need to take risks. I risked a lot when I married; I was very young (19), my husband was of a totally different culture, he belonged to a very close-knit family, and I moved to a different country to be with him. I was (and am) a feminist, he was (and still is) quite conservative – everyone said it would fail. And here we are, 18 years and five kids later.
Truly, I feared the relationship would fail myself; but I took a chance on a whim, and I'm so glad I did.
BUT I would never recommend taking such a chance with children. You just moved two kids across the country, that's enough change. I moved my kids quite a bit in the beginning, until I realized what a toll it took. Particularly on my one son who also has Asperger's. A child with Asperger's needs stability, not a man with commitment issues. Every relationship involves risk; but to BRING CHILDREN into a relationship with such a big question mark, where the man tells you in advance there's a chance this will all fall apart on his parents' whim…that's insane. (Also who wants to live with inlaws who wield such power? Ouch.).
Tammy
Posted by Tammy on 12/06/2009 at 11:35am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Everyone has the right to expect to be the 1st choice in someone's life. If children are involved then you can accept being 2nd. But to told you're not as important as an "object" or property or parents is unacceptable…It's his problem, & loss, not yours..
If he didn't love you enough to say "No" to his parents & family & say "Yes" to you, the person he claimed to want to spend the rest of his life with, then he's not ready for marriage.
Your sons will ask questions & the questions will be hard, but you'll answer honestly..They maybe angry or upset, but they'll still love you.. You may want to question yourself, but you'll be honest & strong & like so many other times in your life you'll get through it..
..& your sons will love you even more..
Posted by lvdjgarcia on 12/06/2009 at 12:05pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
If you were my friend and came to me with this, this is how I would look at it… you are involved with a man in his mid thirties (at least, I'm guessing), never married, who has never lived away from his parents. That in and of itself sets of alarms. Based on what you have written, the parents sound like control freaks, and probably not the nice kind. As wonderful as the Farmer is, you can't fix bad circumstances. And you don't want to try to convince these people to like you, it is unlikely to work. When I was in my 20s I was married to a man whose parents didn't like me because I wasn't their "type" (their type being a blond WASP with less education than their son). We divorced and he later married their type, and they don't like her either. Stay away from haters, they will only bring you down. You and your sons deserve better.
Posted by Sue on 12/06/2009 at 12:10pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
When I was 8 my mom got a divorce from my step-father. I wish she'd trusted me enough to have a conversation with me about it, but she didn't. I spent the next 8 years thinking it was my fault, until years of therapy had me realizing it wasn't. Communication is the key. You may not be good at it, you may not know exactly how to say what you have to say, but your kids will appreciate the effort. Begin the conversation and let it go where it may.
I feel for you, but more for your kids. You'll be fine because you always have been. Give your kids the same opportunity.
Good luck.
Posted by Dian Reid on 12/06/2009 at 12:10pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Dian,
Such a good point you've made about how things affect kids. We give them such little thought when we assume "they'll get over it." Often we have no clue what's going on inside their heads and it doesn't come out until years later.
Not only should Penelope be talking and listening to her kids. She should also let them speak with a counselor – someone who's trained at drawing out what they're really thinking.
Posted by rennie on 12/06/2009 at 09:46pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Wow – what a soul-bearing blog. It really hit home – thanks for pouring your heart out to the rest of the world. You rock and deserve only the BEST!!
Posted by Kelley on 12/06/2009 at 12:16pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I am so sorry that things have turned out this way for you; and I also know that any comforting things that I might say will have as much meaning as the ones you say yourself: that these things happen to us, and that in the end we all recover. It's just that right now that won't mean a thing to you.
Exactly 25 years ago this year the woman I thought I adored beyond measure and indeed beyond reason, and to whom I was engaged, told me in bed of all places that she could not give up her former boyfriend and that therefore she would have to abandon thoughts of our future together, though she loved me still. I think there is a moment as we firm up our intentions and promises when suddenly everything that competes with them storms the walls of our fortress, and sometimes the walls crumble and sometimes they stand firm. When they fall it is devastating, and nothing can soften the blow. Well, time will soften it, but that is of no relevance at the time.
The next morning, I remember sitting on the edge of my bed and looking at the brick wall of my apartment, and I had this almost irresistible urge to bang my head hard against the wall, because I could not live with myself as the person who could not be more attractive to Sheila than her old boyfriend.
It all passed, as it does, and within a year I was married, not to Sheila but to my wife Heather, and we'll be celebrating our silver wedding anniversary next year. It did all work out – though of course there would be other dramas and crises from time to time – but I remember that feeling that morning, and hearing your story I am transported back, and I feel for you.
Posted by Ferdinand on 12/06/2009 at 12:17pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Is it possible the farmer has some commitment phobia and is using his family as an excuse to side step dating you? If so, he may eventually come around but in the mean time you have your life to live.
You are so smart, funny, creative, a good parent and business person. Continue on with your life and you will find the right person to share it with. (and yes, it could be the farmer). You deserve to be happy and so do your kids.
Posted by Leslie on 12/06/2009 at 12:22pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This is true.
And might it also be possible that Penelope is having a phobia with change, moving to the country and dealing with his family. Perhaps giving the farmer an ultimatum provided her an excuse to avoid this conflict.
Posted by rennie on 12/07/2009 at 09:38am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I agree….you can definitly find someone that makes YOU happy.
Posted by Kareem on 12/06/2009 at 12:41pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
It's incredibly hard what you're going through. It's why I have struggled with wrapping myself around the concept of melding two families — how does that work? It's not like when we were single, kid-free, and the possibilities of life and relationships seemed endless.
You say: I am lost right now. I don’t know what is happening in my life, and I am scared to think of any of the reasonable outcomes.
Having gone through a divorce from someone with whom I thought I'd be married forever, with whom I thought I married with eyes open, with whom I had been deeply in love, with whom I had a kid, I realize we never know. There are no sure things. We can plan, anticipate, work hard and — poof. Just like that.
Still, the grieving you and your kids (and, no doubt, the farmer) are going through is very real, right now. Just keep reminding yourself that you're strong.We constantly get tested on that!
I love Lindsay's quote from Antoine de Saint-Exupery' "The Little Prince," one of my favorite books. It's on my home desk all the time. Here's another wonderful quote that fits now: "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
Your heart, Penelope, is seeing rightly …
Posted by Kat Wilder on 12/06/2009 at 12:46pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
"The best way out is always through" – Robert Frost.
Posted by Shefaly on 12/06/2009 at 12:58pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I know it hurts to face it, but your kids are going to be hurt far worse by having new step-inlaws that do not love you or them than they will be if you walk. I know this from experience.
You want your kids to not be traumatized? Keep them away from sadistic and possessive would-be inlaws – at all costs! They deserve a LOT better than to be "tolerated" and not embraced into the family with love and kindness.
Think about that, and think about the fact that the farmer is not shielding the kids from this trauma either. That puts you as the only thing they have going for them. Fortunately, you are enough if that's all they have.
It would be better to wait and see if someone comes into your life than can ADD to theirs, not complicate it forever. That feeling of not being wanted NEVER goes away. Count on that.
Posted by Diana on 12/06/2009 at 02:24pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
First, you are a very strong woman and I know that you will make it through like you've done so many times before in so many areas of your life. I really admire you for doing so well in so many areas of your life after everything you have been through. It is inspiring.
Secondly, if The Farmer is being this wishy-washy about committing to your relationship before he has truly committed to your relationship, it is time of him to pack his things and move back to the farm for good. I am certain that you love him and that you are attached to him, however, he will continue to fail to commit even after marriage. Except, if you marry him, the consequences will be far greater for you and your children and the pain much harder to endure for all three of you.
Thirdly, I would recommend simply telling your children the truth about your breakup. As much as we all want to do as little as possible to hurt our children, they will admire you for your honestly even if they are upset at first. Seeing you handle this difficult situation honestly and as gracefully will set a positive example whereas just not telling them will leave them confused and wondering what they have done to upset you. Children have a unique ability to relate any negative situation to their own behavior.
And lastly, I'm going to give you an e-hug because breakups really suck no matter how many you endure in your lifetime. ((hug))
Posted by Courtney on 12/06/2009 at 03:14pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
My heart goes out to you and your children.
The farmer is in an untenable situation of his own choosing. He has made his choice.
Stay true to your own decision for what is best for you and your family. It is easier said than done, but you have great courage.
Posted by cbrancheau on 12/06/2009 at 04:18pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think you should not take any of this advice.
Posted by Mark W. on 12/06/2009 at 04:43pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Why doesn't the pig farmer make comments here on your blog?
Posted by Mark W. on 12/07/2009 at 09:18am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Sad for you in your pain, Penelope. Before you and the farmer call it quits, though, is there any chance at all that you can work through this in couples' counseling? Nothing against the 5K spent on a lawyer, but that only addresses the legal issues, not the issues that are in both your hearts that make the decision to stay together, or not.
A good therapist should be able to help you and the farmer navigate that territory, so in the end you are both clear where you are at, and why the decisions you are making have resulted in the outcome you arrive at.
In my opinion, it would say more about the farmer that he's willing to spend 5K on lawyers, and not be willing to spend the same amount on a therapist to work this out to a hopefully happier outcome
Thinking good thoughts for you, the farmer, and your kids in all this struggle.
Posted by 911 Doc on 12/06/2009 at 05:06pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
A friend of mine, who is bi-polar, got a book about marriage and discussed it with me. The book said that marriage destroys relationships. I was very upset about this. My grandparents were married for 56 years. I see in papers where people celebrate 50+ years of marriage and think how much they must love and care for each other to put up with themselves for so long.
I have been divorced three times, so I may not be the best judge, but I believe that a happy marriage comes from two people putting themselves above all others, including their own kids. Children will try to tear a marriage apart, then, they move out.
Anyway, I think you want what I want, and what most people want, or need, out of a marriage. Commitment. It's got to be "we two against the world" or it will not work. In my opinion, he wouldn't give you that. So, It wouldn't have lasted. Eventually, he would put more and more things before you. The farm. Parents. His truck, who knows.
I hate that you are hurting. Good luck with healing.
jb
Posted by Johnmicah on 12/06/2009 at 07:35pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Boy, that's hard. Knowing what needs to happen and not wanting it to be true. It's way easier when they're jerks, but when they are just normal human beings who make different choices than you would like them to… that's hard.
I hope you and the kids are ok.
Posted by Kate on 12/06/2009 at 08:20pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Sigh …. This all sounds so familiar.
I grew up in small town California with folks who were multi-generational farmers and ranchers. For those folks family, business and identity were all tied together in a Gordian knot, impossible to untie. For those families marriages weren't (ever) Hollywood style love matches involving two star-crossed lovers. They involved marrying the family, marrying the land and marrying a lifestyle. Constancy, loyalty and self-sacrifice were the price of entry and putting aside your family for theres was a very real barrier to entry. Outsiders were distrusted, not with enmity but they were held suspect, likely to be "flighty" – and it could take 30 years to no longer be an outsider.
Unlike many above I don't thing the farmer is wishy-washy. I think he's processing things by his own set of values and that there were no painless choices in front of him.
Perhaps the family, and to some extent your farmer, are measuring you by that generational scale? Perhaps it's not really about the land to them but about your ability to submerge your identity with his and take up their values? Perhaps the real question in their minds is to see if you have the staying power to not just marry a farmer but to BE a farmer?
And these really are good questions – the life they live isn't for everyone. The daily compromises and sacrifices are difficult and for most of us the price would be too high.
In the end, despite all it's attractions, it wasn't for me.
Good luck and metaphorical hugs. This feels like a crossroads is so many, many ways. I can't possibly guess what road you will choose.
Posted by Leftcoast on 12/06/2009 at 09:05pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I am so sorry to hear this. I obviously don't know you, but I wanted happiness for you and your kids, and sort of hoped the farmer might bring some to your life.
I did, however, think it was very very unfortunate that he would allow his family to disparage you more than once. This is the sort of thing that shows the true nature of a person, and unfortunately it seems he does not stand up for those he cares for, even if it means doing so to others he cares for. For this reason it does not surprise me that he made the wrong decision when it came down to farm vs. family.
As far as the comments above regarding the majesty of farmers and land and all that glorification, I will say I come from a dairy farming family. My grandfather gave up his religion to marry my grandmother, converting to hers, and when, after many years, he got sick, he sold the cows to ensure his family's future, as well. Neither of these were in any way small decisions. (She made sacrifices, too – she always liked to say that he became Catholic for her, and she became Republican for him.) :) My point is, home is where the people you love are, whether you farm, or whether you do anything else. The choices are not easy, but they are clear. He is not good enough for you.
You're doing the right thing, and all best to you while you get through the hard part.
Posted by Kelly on 12/06/2009 at 10:01pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Everything will be okay in the end. If it is not okay, it is not the end.
Posted by Mascha on 12/06/2009 at 10:18pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, I come from generations and generations of farmers, and I understand that point of view all too well. I am also married into an intensely controlling, manipulative family which has given me other, less wholesome insights. The thing that has niggled at me isn't so much the farm-crossed lovers story, but the episode where he played you the message from his sister. Why do that?
I am new to your blog, but it is already valuable to me as are you through it. This was sad to read, but I am glad you know what to do to take care of yourself. I hope next week is better for you and your little ones.
Posted by Lula on 12/07/2009 at 01:40am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hug. I'm lost too, I'm also in a similar situation. I hope that you find peace and wisdom from this heart wrenching experience. Although it hurts, thank you for being honest with yourself and your children.
I appreciate your work Penelope and who you are.
Posted by Pandoraa on 12/07/2009 at 02:46am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Your post was heartbreaking. Wish I had something beautiful and insightful to say. So much has been covered by others. So instead will bake red velvet cupcakes, frost with cream cheese and send good karma when I put the red sprinkles on top. Hugs to you and the boys.
Posted by Betty in Munich on 12/07/2009 at 04:09am | permalink | Reply to this comment
What a shame.
But it could be worse. He might have given up this part of his soul for you. And, inevitably, become a different person. Whom you might not care for.
And you might not have all these friends rooting for you. (Myself included, if that's not clear.)
Good luck.
Posted by TwistedByKnaves on 12/07/2009 at 06:01am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I don't understand why you can't just live on the farm. Why does it matter whether he is guaranteed to inherit the his parent's land. Why not try to win over the family by being nice to them. Why not be respectful of them and accept them for who they are. You are sabotaging this relationship because deep down you don't think you deserve to be happy.
Posted by BW on 12/07/2009 at 06:49am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Based on this account, Penelope seems to be the one with the least ability to make anything change–not because she might not be willing to try, but because (a) the parents are the ones with power and issuing what sounds suspiciously like an ultimatum, and (b) the farmer is the one who has to decide how to respond to that.
Posted by KateNonymous on 12/07/2009 at 12:08pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
why make him choose – why won't you choose to go … if you'd go anywhere in the world why not go there … parents are always parents … don't let them be the obstacle if the farmer is the one for you now … go with the here and now – after all it is all we really have … no dress rehersal and all – be brave P and let your optimistic side soar – best le
ps I still wish it was a simplier situation for you … but i don't think you really do simple …
Posted by le on 12/07/2009 at 07:09am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, I think almost anyone over the age of thirty-something has run into this problem. You are not alone and there is no right answer. Parents are parents and his sound like a trip and a half. Go and live with him, if he is the one, and you seem to think he is, then it will work out in the end. He will see, or come to see, what a wonderful woman you are and how wonderful your children are. If he is not the one and it doesn't work out, then you have lost only time, learned a lesson, and will move on with your life.
Personally, i like the idea of selling to his parents and buying a place for the two of you to start afresh.
Good Luck!
Posted by SOG on 12/07/2009 at 08:20am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I am sorry to hear that it didn't work out. However, you really do deserve to be with someone who can't imagine not choosing you and I really think you'll find it. I hope you feel better soon!
Posted by Alina on 12/07/2009 at 08:52am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I have always drawn comfort from Grooks by Piet Hein, and here's one of my favorites:
T. T. T.
Put up in a place
where it's easy to see
the cryptic admonishment
T. T. T.
When you feel how depressingly
slowly you climb,
it's well to remember that
Things Take Time.
I'm sorry you're going through this sadness. Take the time to grieve over the loss. Wishing you all the best.
Posted by Deb on 12/07/2009 at 09:00am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I suspect that you already know the answer, but first rule is yourself and the kids. The farmer and his parents are the uncontrollable element and in their eyes you are the disposable element. So protect your interests and move on. You have the strength of character to survive and prosper. My mothers side of the family are farmers and I know the binds of land and family. The disputes and the fallouts. Farmers tend to marry for a benefit to the business, whether is is land or personal acumin. Love is normally a secondary consideration.
Posted by Robert Walsh on 12/07/2009 at 09:00am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Oh Penelope, this breaks my heart to read. I was really cheering for your happiness with the farmer. It is so sad and frustrating when things don't work out because of circumstances, and not because someone was a jerk. Thanks for sharing this. I bet you people will say this has nothing to do with career advice, except all of us have been lost or sad before, and this lets us know we aren't the only ones, and that we don't have to do this alone, and that things WILL get better.
Posted by H to the Izzo on 12/07/2009 at 09:12am | permalink | Reply to this comment
P:
I think the most bittersweet part of this is that circumstance is driving the decisions. I think many of us have been in that situation, and of course myself included. I have a whole family full of farmers–thousands of acres that mean more to them than anything else–someone else commented about how they pour their blood, sweat and tears into the land–and they certainly do, and their tie to the land is hard to describe and impossible, I think, to understand unless you are raised working the land. I know that none of my cousins, aunts or uncles would move–the land is like their child, and leaving it would be abandonment. However, this doesn't make it any easier for you–I don't know if any explanation makes it easier for you, but I do hope that in time, your pain will lessen–maybe it lessens by him realizing what a tool he is being or maybe it lessens by your moving on. Your kids have loss as well, and I am sure you'll give them the love and support they'll need to mend. You have a lot of support out here, and I'm hopeful you'll reach out to those you trust rather than dwelling in loneliness.
Posted by Heather on 12/07/2009 at 09:30am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hi–I won’t offer any advice because, frankly, taking romantic advice from me would be a lot like taking business ethics advice from Bernie Madoff. You've gotten some really good comments in this string, and I suspect that just knowing that random people would think enough to offer sound counsel must in and of itself provide some comfort.
But I do have a request: Write this story. You’re a very compelling writer, and this is a very compelling story. And the beauty of it is, Act III hasn’t been written yet. Acts I and II are already done, but I’m just wondering if there is any therapeutic value in crafting Act III to turn out however you want it to. Is it the sappy “happily ever after” ending? The “I will survive” ending? It’s up to you.
How about the impossibly ironic ending: Flash forward 15 years. One of your sons is going to school at the U.W. in Platteville. He falls in love with a classmate. She’s from around there somewhere. Then it turns out—OMG—that the girlfriend is the daughter of one of the sisters!! Hilarity ensues at THAT Thanksgiving dinner…
Just trying to occupy your mind—sorry!
Posted by ScottS on 12/07/2009 at 09:38am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
I'm sorry for your heartache, thank you for sharing it with us. I'm 27 years old and I'm currently watching my own family dynamics change because my father decided to cut the strings with my grandmother in a situation very similar to this one. My great-grandmother, my grandmother, and my father all own homes on the same tract of land, about 30 acres in total. When my great-grandmother passed, my grandmother bought her house and the 5 acres it is on. My dad grew up on that land, has worked it, and still continues to work it. When my husband and I offered to buy my great-grandmothers house and continue the family legacy (as well as help my aging father with physical chores), my grandmother said no. She doesn't want us to have it. She doesn't want my dad to have it. She wants to keep it as a part of her estate to be divided fairly between my father and his brother. The house has sat empty for 3 years, falling slowly into disrepair. She's so obsessed with what is 'fair' between her sons (my uncle lives full time in the out of the country, mind you) that she's playing dictator with our lives. She's betting that my dad loves his house and land so much that he won't leave. She's betting that he'll continue to take care of her land and her home out of a sense of duty. He's so devastated that she won't let us buy the house (at fair market value) that he's decided to leave after 55 years dedicated to his home. He is up and leaving his father's land so that he can have the life he wants with his children and grandchildren, rather than be disappointed and manipulated by his mother, who claims her actions are out of love, but continues to break his heart. She'd rather let the house sit empty than sell it to her own grandchildren (or anyone for that matter) because "she knows whats right". Her righteous attitude has cost her dearly as far as my dad is concerned. He no longer is blindly dedicated. There are of course many more layers of family dynamics and back history well before this event, but this was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Basically what I am trying to say to you is that the farmer should want to be happy. He should want to be a part of a team with you. You were right when you said that he could start his own legacy somewhere fresh. He's using it as an excuse not to man-up and call his parent's bluff. If he loved farming so much, he'd do it anywhere, not just where he's always known. He's being played like a pawn in family politics and he's not been pushed far enough to break. Unfortunately, he doesn't see being in a team with you, facing whatever comes your way, as reward enough to start his own life. You know what's on the line when you start a new business. You've had several fail. Maybe that's why its not hard for you to imagine leaving something secure for something that might fail, because you've faced that demon a long time ago, and don't fear it any longer.
One day he will wake up and realize that his parents' love is conditional. He will realize that as long as he plays the good son, he will be placated and patted on the head like a good boy. I hope you take what you've seen happen between the farmer and his parents and apply it to your own sons. Can you imagine playing with your sons' hearts? Giving them conditions for love and respect? Let my dad serve as a lesson that it can and could be done. He's packing up and moving away in order to be able to look himself in the mirror and know that he's followed his own conscious. He and my grandmother might never reconcile properly, and he has to go to sleep at night knowing it, but he told me that he'd rather go to sleep in a bed that he made, rather than in one that was made for him.
Posted by Mhughes on 12/07/2009 at 09:56am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
I've been reading your posts for a few years now and just wanted to commend you for having the courage to post so much about your life. I for one can't thank you enough for showing me that no matter how I feel that I'm not the only one out there who sometimes feels and thinks the same way you do. Life is a journey, and to know in some weird way you've got company on your travels when you're lost is priceless. Thank you for that!
Posted by Matt on 12/07/2009 at 10:09am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm so sorry. I think you're right that he needs to make that call now, rather than after you're married. But it's still an awful position for you to be in, and I know that recognizing that intellectual truth doesn't make it hurt less.
And going way back to the first poster, you deserve–as we all do–to be with someone who wants to be with you, as you are.
Posted by KateNonymous on 12/07/2009 at 10:32am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks for reminding us all that it all comes down to taking care of our kids and for ALSO reminding us that we can't keep all pain from them. An earlier poster said that they'll be alright – they really just need to know you're not going anywhere. I agree. They will be ok – it will hurt – but you are doing the right thing by taking care of yourself so that you can also take care of them. Keep putting that oxygen mask on your own face first so that you can keep being the great mom you are, even through the pain. Hang in there girl. Lost sucks and it's scary – but I know you're on the path, even if you can't see it right now.
Posted by JennR on 12/07/2009 at 10:48am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Why all the anger toward 'the farmer'?
Is it really so shocking that such a wide divide in personal values can't be crossed?
Posted by Jeremiah J on 12/07/2009 at 10:57am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Pen -
My heart aches for you and I want to find The Farmer and shake him. He can buy more land but he can't buy love. You have given yours unconditionally but it's not enough from him. May your heart heal quickly.
Posted by Snyder95 on 12/07/2009 at 11:00am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Words and thoughts are swirling around in my brain as to what to say. Speaking honestly, I would encourage you to seek a relationship with something higher than yourself. I mean that with the most humble of intentions since I am a great admirer of your incredible self-reliance. I also admire and find myself somewhat jealous of your total honesty and openness. Please don't let situations like this change that quality. It makes your blog the best I read, maddening as it might be when I disagree with you. Ss for the farmer, you have compromised enopugh. He must take some steps forward as well. Good luck.
Posted by Steve on 12/07/2009 at 11:18am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Well, are any of us really surprised.. When someone breaks up with you over and over again he's got way to many issues. Red flags everywhere girlfriend.
Posted by beyondbeige on 12/07/2009 at 11:19am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Everything will be OK.
Don't you think you and your children deserve more than this? Answer: You do. Hold out for more. You gotta kiss a lot of toads, P.
Posted by Erin on 12/07/2009 at 11:22am | permalink | Reply to this comment
First let me say that I love that you are commenting on the comments. It has me reading through them all and you have fabulous followers who I learn a lot from.
When I was 22 and bartending my way through engineering school I fell in love with a 35 year old stockbroker. We were together 3 years and unbelievably happy with the small exception being that he was never 'proud' of me. Do you know that song "Keep it down now, voices carry", that sums up our relationship (he wants me, for only part of the time, he wants me, if he can keep me in line..). His parents were rich, influential and none too pleased that he was with rif-raf like me who, gasp, put herself through a local university and had divorced parents. We'd be fine and then a holiday, school reunion or something like that would hit and it would become clear that our lives had never integrated. He left me. I cried for about a year. Revenge dated for a time after that and then fortunately met a wonderful man. We're married for 10 years now with 2 kids. I'd be lying if I said I didn't still think about the stockbroker.
I talked to him a year or so ago. He was now pushing 50 and never married or had kids. I wasn't at all surprised. He was already married to his parents and the life of being a bachelor. Now when I hear a man is 40 and never married I know there is something seriously wrong with them. Stereotyping yes, but usually true.
Good luck getting through this. It's like a death, give yourself plenty of time to mourn. I'm sure it beats the slow death of you and his parents driving each other crazy.
Oh, and my suggestion for the kids….diversion. Enroll in some new sport that gives them something new to focus on!
Posted by ASH on 12/07/2009 at 11:38am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm so sorry to hear this, Penelope. I think you are definitely making the right choice for you and your boys by not moving there and making the farmer choose now. You deserve someone that chooses you and your boys. You're such an incredible person. I hope you see how amazing you are and what a wonderful mother you are. I know you will find someone in the future who chooses you.
Posted by Amy J on 12/07/2009 at 12:56pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
You obviously have such a strong following and they all offer great life changing and inspiring advice. I have none of that.
All I know is chocolate heals all.
Posted by Kelly on 12/07/2009 at 01:12pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope – I have never posted but this one made me want to…..I have a similar story. I used to work for a major corporation in a big fancy engineering mgmt job in MSP and gave it all up to move to podunk North Dakota just to marry a farmer. I can understand all the chaos with the farm and estate planning and trying to ensure some what of a secure future. My farmer just went through it with his family. His parents and ethics must be vastly different, however. The land was set up so that it will all go to my husband (legally) in the event that they pass on and not divided between his siblings and him. There is a clause that basically says…should my farmer die before them and I do not produce an heir, the land is given to my famer's sisters and not to me (I would only get what my farmer owns already). I think this was a turning point for the family in realizing that I wasn't out for the money in the farm and that it was truly about love for my farmer husband and what worked best for us. My farmer and I together have gone through me losing a job, commuting 90 miles each way just to work and maintain a career, and through many other life struggles….and I think I am starting to wear on his family and they realize I am not out for the money and selling off their livlihood! It sucks, but when I had to decide if it was life with or without him, I decided to me it was worth the risks!
Posted by Farmer Anders on 12/07/2009 at 01:16pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm guessing the family farm is owned free and clear. 500 acres of good Wisconsin farmland would be worth somewhere around $1.8 million. If that's the bulk of his net worth, not many could walk away from it. The parents probably also own the house and the machinery. Unless there's another pot of gold sitting around, the cash from his 100 acres would maybe cover a down payment on another viable farm, but would also leave him saddled with debt. It's tough to start over at 40+. PT's ultimatum is understandable, but so is his answer.
Posted by JR on 12/07/2009 at 01:46pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope. What I love about you and your blog is that you write. Honestly and unflinchingly. In a world that insists we be brief and include lots of pictures and video, you write your heart out. And all of these people not only read it, they connect with it on the deepest emotional level. Thank you. And please don't stop.
Posted by Rebecca MacDonald on 12/07/2009 at 02:20pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
[apologies in advance if my comment seems repetitive; i did not read all 200+ comments]
P, there are two things i know about you:
2. you are an innovative problem-solver.
1. you love this man deeply.
so, my question is: what are you doing to fight for this man? i say "fight," but i don't mean by alienating or embarrassing him and his family. What have you done to show his family the depth of your love for the farmer? i know that their behavior is unreasonable and hurtful. ignorant, too. forget all of that. the only thing that matters is the farmer. so, surrender yourself to humility if you have not, and make a sincere, heartfelt plea to his family. let them see the rawest emotion in your eyes. ask them what you can do to help grow and nurture bonds of love and loyalty between you and them. throw yourself at their feet. not so much with dramatics, but unedited sincerity.
or if groveling isn't your thing – make a simple and sincere statement to them, acknowledging your understanding of the rift, your feelings for the farmer, and how hard you intend to work – by his side – to heal the wound.
have you considered inviting his parents and/or immediate family to participate in bi-weekly or monthly "team-building" activities?
have you tried any crazy [shouting from rooftops, not gun wielding] acts of desperation?! don't give up! you are much too determined to mope for long. you have to fight for him the way you fight for your company. if you can manage to convince investors to dump ass loads of money on your start-up, you can convince the farmer's family to give you a fair shake at loving their son for the rest of his life.
go make yourself a g.d. bagel; it's time to transition.
xo
Posted by KristinCanWrite on 12/07/2009 at 03:20pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Here here, KristinCanWrite! I especially appreciate the bagel comment. And you remind me of this: we don't have to take things so g.d. seriously! Find the humor, and go get what you want.
Posted by Andrea on 12/07/2009 at 03:33pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This is rough. Love is so hard, but your clear writing is very gripping.
It is terrible for the farmer that his parents don't seem to trust him. At a certain point, parents need to take their hands off and trust that they raised their children right. Narcissistic love from parents can be very damaging. He may find that this lack of trust leads to him getting the short end of the farm stick.
Posted by Christina on 12/07/2009 at 04:32pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Just adding another supportive comment to the mix.
I'd missed this post over the weekend because I had some stuff going on. Then I got an e-mail from my best friend notifying me how sad she was after reading this post.
We feel like we know you. I too cried this weekend about something else, and the tears were cold in my ears. I love that you included that detail.
No advice from me, because I have no clue. Just a hug.
-AJ
Posted by Andrea on 12/07/2009 at 04:41pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I feel so sad for you Penelope. Maybe the farmer's parents need some compassion and the farmer needs a backbone.
But you probably need to be blanketed in some love from your own friends right now. I hope it works out for you. You and your boys will get through this time, although it may be hard to see that right now.
Posted by Angie on 12/07/2009 at 04:46pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm sorry you're going through this pain…I can empathize. I was on the other side of a choice many years ago. I still feel twinges of the pain, even today. I wish for your heart to be soothed.
Posted by Susan Roberts on 12/07/2009 at 05:08pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Dear Penelope,
As mentioned via my Twitter DM, you were the first blog I ever started reading. I bought your book, took the leap, and left my corporate management consulting job. I had been unhappy and stressed for two years. I now work at a cosmetics company, and I have started my own blog. Life is just so much better.
For those of us that have been following your blog for years now, we feel like we know you. Strange, how the internet does that.
The heartfelt sympathy expressed by those above will probably do little to heal your wounds, but the stories shared will perhaps help you feel less alone.
My thoughts are with you.
Poppy xox
Posted by Poppy Gets a Life on 12/07/2009 at 05:14pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hey Penelope, you brought a tear to my eyes with this one. My family and I are sending you hugs for you and your kids.
Wishing you only the best.
Posted by Jonny on 12/07/2009 at 05:23pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm so sorry for you and your boys, that is utterly disappointing. We're all here rooting for you, in the long run of this story, not just this one chapter. Hugs. Well, maybe not hugs, because I can't remember if people with Asperger's like them.
Posted by Marissa on 12/07/2009 at 05:26pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE that you're not taking the lame "deal" being offered to you. It's VERY hard to ask someone who we want to love us, to actually stand up and "choose" us. You did that and it's awesome.
We've all seen you grow a lot on this blog over the years. I know you're hurting. But the way you finished this blog is absolutely correct. You will find love again. Follow the path that gets you out of the pain…time with the kids and lots of desserts ;-)
When you find someone who chooses you over all else, this will be a distant post that you link to as an example of never settling.
Hang in there, girl. We're all hanging with you.
Posted by Eve on 12/07/2009 at 05:32pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks so much for this post. I was dumped by my live-in boyfriend shortly after he said he wanted to get married at Yosemite. I started grad school and 'celebrated' a birthday days after we broke up, and have spent the past two months trying to excel, but really just holding on and getting by. He definitely was not ready to be an independent adult, and much of his finances are tied up with his family. He also cheated on me. I am gutted by the whole situation and all this Tiger Woods crap unfortunately reminds me of my ex.
The best remedy for me? Cutting off all communication with him. And reading articles like this in your blog. Thank you so much.
Posted by Anna on 12/07/2009 at 07:26pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Poor P! Only way to take this is one day at a time, one foot in front of the other. Next week you'll feel a bit better, the week after that, a bit better, etc. etc. Hang in there, and let time heal (I've recently done a "soul-mate" breakup too… now on Month 4. We'll get better).
Instead of couples-counselling, how about you get some counselling for yourself? The best it'll do is to grow your self-awareness. Hopefully we can learn from each breakup.
My red flag moment with the farmer was when he didn't want to hold hands with you at the fair, for fear of looking "pussy-whipped." I think if it were me I would've dropped him right then and there! You deserve somebody who is proud to be seen holding hands with you (as we all do).
I also recall several blogs where you say that you found so much peace and pleasure being on the farm. Not to question your feelings for him, but… if he weren't a farmer, if he was, say, a mailman or restaurant manager or whatever else, who lived in town, would you still feel so strongly about him? Do you think him having a farm may have pushed you closer to him?
With the recession and cheaper land prices, have you thought about purchasing an acre or two outside of the city, where you could create your own peaceful oasis for you and your kids? Just wondering– I want to be able to offer up some solutions here!
Peace to you, and keep please keep blogging!
Posted by Annette on 12/07/2009 at 08:52pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Seriously? They were going to withhold his inheritence if you made their lives hell? Dude, they'd be DEAD. That's some massive spite, there. Why not just put a hair in your toothbrush or something? Is it really neccessary to reserve the right to strike at you From Beyond?
You can't put people like that near your kids. Forget you. (No offense, but you're a big girl). These people can't be around your boys.
You do write so beautifully. It will get better.
Posted by Elizabeth on 12/07/2009 at 09:19pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I've read most of the posts so far and most are positive toward you but I found a few that should be put in the round file. Like the one who said you should give up what you want just to be with him. Are some of these people on crack? This is the 21st century. I know it's hard to move on. I'm close to your age and I've done this dance many times. I have a strong personality and a lot of men can't deal and maybe it's because I let them know it. The question you should ask is, "Was I too strong for you or were you too weak for me?" Tell your kids the truth, that the two of you are not together. They'll adjust because they young, but if they see their mother caving for a man, that sends a far different message especially since they are boys. I do have a question: why stay in Madison. I'm an east coast gal and the midwest holds as much excitement for me as a wet biscuit! You don't have to return to New York but either of the coasts might be a better option for you being that you're very open and people in your area will smile at you and then hate you at the same time. As far as the farmer, you know the saying, "man up, shut up or get out. Since he didn't do the former, the last one fits. He's whipped by his parents, immature and probably couldn't make a decision past what to have for breakfast. He'll probably never grow up. My advice: grieve a lot, acknowledge the loss in your life and eventually the wounds will heal. No one likes rejection but in this case his family sounded like a group of assholes that I would have had so much fun tormenting with a sharp wit of sarcasm throughout dinner! Be glad that you don't have to be related to them. Give some thought to leaving the Madison and move somewhere that has progressive thinkers.
Posted by Celine on 12/08/2009 at 01:32am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope!
You have generated so much love and caring and community, it is beautiful. I feel for you and my heart breaks for you. I am going through a similar situation. If I had all of these incredibly supportive people rooting for me, it would lift me up. Just reading them helps! I hope you do not feel lost for long – just look at all of these lovely comments and take heart. You are doing great. Hang in there. Hard to believe it won't feel this way forever, but it won't. We promise.
xxx
Posted by jenny on 12/08/2009 at 03:44am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Don't worry about the people from your past, there is a reason why they didn't make it into your future.
I just use this mantra all the time for break-ups and it really works.
Posted by alicyn on 12/08/2009 at 08:19am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, here is a realist's point-of-view:
Let's face it, the farmer's parents don't like you and the farmer is choosing blood over water. The land is simply the vehicle by which the farmer can end the relationship and still live with himself. Or perhaps it is the reason you are choosing to live with? Perhaps if you write about the land and not about all the reasons you gave his folks not to like you (via content on blog plus who-knows-what-else) you don't have to acknowledge your role in the break up. It can all be the farmer's fault.
Good for you for calling the farmer out. You needed out of that relationship. That takes guts. Acknowledge the truth behind the break-up and you will be able to make better choices in the future. Best wishes for future happiness!
P.S. It doesn't escape notice that this post helps repair your image. Way to turn a negative into a positive. You are one smart lady!
Posted by Candace on 12/08/2009 at 08:28am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hi Penelope,
I read your blog religiously, but hardly ever post (my writing skills somehow seem inadequate whenever I read your blog). I know everyone else has said this already, but I am so sorry you are in pain.
I know some have written that you should not force the farmer to decide between you and his land. I think they're wrong. Perhaps if you were 20, without kids, that would be a viable choice. But you're not, and you have kids to consider as well. I agree that children are resilient, but I don't think this mitigates their need for stability and positive lessons about self-worth, self-esteem and standing up for what is right.
The farmer is wrong to cower to the demands of his parents – grow up! The farmer is also wrong for stringing you and your kids along; breaking up with you and then finding his way back into your life; over & over & over again. He needs to recognize that it is not only you he is hurting, but your kids as well. If he can't grow up enough to break away from his mommy, he at least needs to recognize that his behavior is BAD for your kids.
I am sure there will come a time when he will try to make a place for himself in your life again, that is his pattern, is it not? At that point you will need to choose whether to stand by your principals that you & your kids are worth being top priority or whether being lonely and lost will trump all of that. I've made both decisions in my own relationships.
Best of luck & choose well.
Posted by Chloe S. on 12/08/2009 at 10:42am | permalink | Reply to this comment
why would you accept to be with someone who does not and will not put you first? Mixing family and business I often a bad idea and perhpas it's best, although painful, to know that now rather than continue down a path with a probable similar outcome.
Good luck
Posted by mamapjama on 12/08/2009 at 12:44pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
A good friend who is both wiser and more experienced than me in this thing called life told me at a similar moment in my journey "it is the structure that you miss, not the person". Change, of any type, is hard. Comfort is easy.
This too shall pass… but the pain you feel is real.
Posted by Conor Neill on 12/08/2009 at 01:25pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
something to remember throughout all the pain and heartache- if it didn't hurt, if relationships weren't truly hard, then they wouldn't be worth it.
everything truly valuable is hard.
that's what they keep telling me in ju jitsu, a practical place for dealing with one's demons.
feel better!
Posted by jill on 12/08/2009 at 01:26pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think there's something I'm missing here.
Because I think that if the parents, down the line, hate me enough to force the farmer to choose me or the farm, he’ll choose the farm. So I figure he should just make that choice now, before I move to Darlington, WI with my kids.
Why make that bet? You two are *not* married now, but I think that would change things. I can see that you're trying to swallow your heartbreak pill now rather than face another divorce, but is the farmer really the divorcing sort? If he made a commitment to you over cake and under the cross (or, over the wine glass in a napkin), would he really forsake his promise for his parents' whim? Is he that kind of guy?
I dunno…it seems a little premature to me. But I've never been divorced, or even married for that matter. I have to wonder about this cutthroat commitment to making an informed decision, above all else.
And yes, I believe you'll bounce back. Of course you will!
Posted by Dree on 12/08/2009 at 01:36pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Whoops, just read your new post. Consider me updated, and best of luck.
Posted by Dree on 12/08/2009 at 01:48pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope;
This piece of writing is so well crafted.
You are a truly beautiful person(woman.),
Your sensitivity, wit and grace comes across from within your blog.
I would wait in line for a chance to court you.
http://richardsher-digital-art.blogspot.com/
Richard
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Posted by Richard Sher on 12/08/2009 at 01:41pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Choose your kids, always. I just don't think you will ever have any regrets over that choice. I have been reading your blog for years. Honestly, I never liked that guy…
Posted by Rebecca Gonzalez on 12/08/2009 at 11:16pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I read your posts out of order. Here I would only say that you are choosing sadness now over sadness later. You have no idea how the parents will react to you or how he will react to the parents reacting to you. It could be that he does the wrong thing. It could be that he stands up to his parents and tells them to F off. If you love this guy and you feel like he's a good role model for your kids and you feel like farm life is for you–and that basically all of the other pieces are in the right places–then just go live on the farm already. Who cares about the inheritance. So what? Cross that bridge when and if you ever come to it.
Posted by Alisa Bowman on 12/09/2009 at 09:15am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Geez. Sorry about the Farmer. Guess now I don't want one, either.
But I will take the pear-granola muffins and men writing long emails that make me less bummered.
I've been in the position of explaining a failed affair to the kids. Of course, they already knew. Mine are teenage girls and catty as hell. At least you don't have to put up with your boys saying you drove him to it because you're so insane.
Hang in.
Posted by Nancy Imperiale on 12/09/2009 at 03:38pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope–
I love your blog for your honesty, humor and ability to scruntinize yourself and your life in a way that is helpful to others. This blog about "unpacking" the advice you were given is thoughtful, generous and filled with the pain of your loss. To be able to think so clearly while in pain is a rare gift. Thank you for sharing your courageous approach to life.
Dawn
Posted by Dawn Robertson on 12/09/2009 at 05:19pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
"But I actually know a bit about being lost. I’ve been through it before. I have been jobless, and I’ve figured out what’s next. I’ve hated my career, and I figured out how to switch. I’ve been dumped many times by many men, and I’ve always thought no one would ever love me, and I always fall in love again."
That's beautiful Penelope. And so true. Reread that over and over several times a day. Post it on your fridge…hide it in a drawer, a pocket, under a book.
Your blog is so honest. And you have such a gift. It's actually the farmer who seems so lost.
Posted by Rhea on 12/09/2009 at 06:18pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Your methods are sane… you're doing great. To quote the lady at the bakery: "NEXT!"
Posted by heidi on 12/09/2009 at 07:26pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
What a wonderful inspiring read, the emotions are raw and beautiful. Making being lost is as human as breathing. Everyone can relate to the end of the world feeling, and few much like you, and maybe a little bit of me. Who have broken through with the realization that just maybe, everything is going to be ok.
Posted by Logan on 12/10/2009 at 01:17am | permalink | Reply to this comment
william asked me to post this sonnet here for you.. he wrote it 400 years ago this year. it remains true.
Let me not to the marriage of two minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O, no! it is an ever-fixed mark,
That looks on tempests, and is never shaken,
It is the star to every wandering bark,
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken.
Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeksWithin his bending sickle's compass come;
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error, and upon me proved,
I never writ, nor no man ever loved.
Posted by jen on 12/10/2009 at 03:35pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Love is not to be bartered for.
It is something that is all around.
You need to find and embrace it.
The blog will not matter then.
Posted by Samite on 12/10/2009 at 07:08pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
First, Darlington is exactly half a mile away from HELL and loaded with women who still think claw bangs are the way to go.
Second, he was good practice. I adore him despite his choice and lineage and you should be quite pleased with yourself for not ending up with some
high school art teacher from Stoughton who braids his pubic hair as your first post-divorce relationship.
Finally, when you're about sick of wallowing in the sadness of it all, just do what I do and relax in your utter irrelevance. I started to write a book with this theme in mind but filled less than one page and said all I had to say. The jist is that only when you truly appreciate how insignificant a