When I was growing up, there was lots of chatter in the media about how models gave girls bad role models. Today that's old news. What we should talk about now is how the media portrays moms.
Take a look at the spread in People magazine of Jennifer Lopez and her one-month-old twins. The photos are so elegant that at first I thought it was a parody. But in fact, it is mommy porn: the visual fantasy of what being a working mom could be. And it really could be that, if it weren't that someone like Jennifer Lopez must have a household full of helpers in order to keep her career on track while she has kids: a cook, a trainer, two or three nannies, a cleaner, an assistant, a stylist. And others I'm sure I can't even imagine.
Here's another example of mommy porn: Angelina Jolie, and her fifty kids. She has a rule that the nannies (plural, yes, each kid has their own) cannot be photographed holding the kids, because it's bad for Angelina's image as a mom. But this is the problem: It looks like these very successful women have it all, even though they don't.
Here's what happens: Some reporter interviews someone about their big job. And then the person ends up talking about the mythic work-life-balance topic. And they say something like, "Throughout my career I did [insert something that is supposed to be wonderful for children] for my kids." And now, of course, we must assume that the kids are doing fine. But why do we believe that? Why do we even ask? We have no hope of learning the truth. After all, there are very few people in the world who are in a position to say that their career is, as they speak, harming their kids.
So journalists writing about moms being moms are not reporting the truth. It is propaganda. It is parents saying that they lived their lives in a way that was good for their kids. But really, who knows? The reporter has little ability to check. So all we're left with is the parents giving their subjective and hugely biased opinion that their kids are turning out fine.
I'm not saying that every kid is messed up from their parents' careers. I'm saying that I'm sick of learning about how famous families want us to think they are doing by looking at what is really only mommy porn, what is really just parenting propaganda.
So look, in the interest of truth-telling, I'm telling you this: people are not being honest about what it's like to be with kids. People are scared to admit that they would rather be at work than with their kids, because work is easier than parenting. (Notable exception: Sally Krawcheck.) If I have to read about how much someone loves their kids one more time, I'm gonna puke. Because we all know that parents love their kids. It's not interesting. It's not helpful. It's not even very relevant. For anyone.
What's interesting is the part where parents love their kids but don't love being with them on a daily basis. It's very scary to write. But I'm telling you, if the feeling weren't ubiquitous then there would be no one to be in middle management working 9-5 because they'd all be home with their kids, doing freelance work after bedtime.
People are choosing to go to work rather than stay with their kids all day. But no one talks about making this choice because they are scared their kids will read it. I'm not sure what the right answer is. I just know that somehow there has to be a more honest discussion of parenting in this world.
So with all the mommy porn, the media does a lot to make us think that work life balance is possible, in the same way anorexic bodies without treatment for anorexia is possible.
So there's real damage from mommy porn. Everyone begins thinking that every woman should be parenting gracefully while working full time. This gives people the temerity to ask me, nearly every day: Who takes care of your kids?
That's right. The genesis of this rant is that I was meeting with an investor – a guy in his early 40s – and we were talking about my travel schedule and he asked, "Who takes care of your kids?"
I told this to one of my board members and he said, "What??? Why did you answer that question?"
I said I answer it because I get the question every single day. Literally. And I don't think twice about it anymore. But in fact, it's a totally offensive question. Here's how I'm so sure: I tried it out on Mr. Sales Guy. And even though Mr. Sales Guy and I work the same number of hours, he said something to the effect of, "I'm not really sure what goes on with the kids all day, you have to ask my wife." He answered the question as if we were doing girl talk. As if I had asked him, "What brand of tampon does your wife use?"
So I want to tell you something: Women earn more than men in most major cities today. And in corporate America, up and down the ladder, women and men are on equal footing in the workplace in terms of who gets paid what, as long as neither party has kids. But the level of expectations people have for parenting is absolutely insane. The mommy porn feeds this problem. Everyone is drawn to the ideal of Angelina Jolie as the perfect combination of careerist and mother like the Pied Piper's tune, and these attitudes are more exhausting to me than any amount of actual parenting ever is.









You couldn't be more correct. My wife has come to the realization that she can't be everything all at once, and that it's OK. As a new attorney, she works a lot of hours, and I've picked up the slack with our son. When she was home with the baby for the first 9 months, she was super-Mom. A tough transition, at least from my vantage point.
Luckily, she doesn't give two s**ts about what celebs do, since she knows that world is fake.
Posted by Norcross on 06/10/2008 at 11:12am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
Very interesting blog post. I'm still relatively young (male) and do not have kids yet, but I wonder how the hell I'm going to do it when I'm older and decide to. It's not a stay at home world anymore, that's for sure, but I'm not sure it should be either. My mom gave up her career and her training as a speech pathologist in order to raise me and my sisters and I am forever grateful. However, I wonder how this next generation of nanny raised kids will end up (not saying I'm the greatest myself). I'm sure this post will generate a lot of angry moms and dads, but I think you bring up a very important issue for working parents and will generate good discussion. Also, I love the new term "Mommy Porn"
~Chris
Posted by Chris Gammell on 06/10/2008 at 11:12am | permalink | Reply to this comment
"Mommy Porn." I love it. This is the problem I have with magazines like Real Simple and TV sitcoms. It's the myth that women are supposed to all think at the end of the day, "My, that was tough, but gosh, don't I have it all?" There's no reality to it – it's like Life in a Pottery Barn Catalog. Why is it so shocking to hear someone say they don't want to be with their kids 24/7? Isn't that just being human?
My blood boils at the thought of someone thinking it's OK to nose around about how a woman cares for her children. I love Mr. Sales Guy's reaction.
Posted by Holly Hoffman on 06/10/2008 at 11:14am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Very true. People buy into the "happy parent" myth because they want to believe it. Parenting is not as easy as it appears in the media. One difficult child can sap a parents resources. Studies have actually shown the overall happiness does go down when juggling a career and kids. Of course, people don't want to hear about such studies.
Posted by Charles on 06/10/2008 at 11:24am | permalink | Reply to this comment
If a mother gave Mr. Sales Guy's answer ("I don't know, ask my husband / nanny/ daycare provider") what would people think of her?
I'm just back to work after mat leave#2, but only half time and flex hours. What I love most about being back so far is how quiet my office is — I can finish a thought. That's a stress of parenthood — never being able to finish a thought, a sentence with an adult, or complete a task (like laundry, cooking, cleaning) without dozens of interruptions. Playing with the kids is the easy part.
In the mommy porn world, mommies only need to do the easy parts.
Posted by Wendy on 06/10/2008 at 11:27am | permalink | Reply to this comment
This is a great post. "Mommy porn" may be a strong term, but the gist of this post is 100% correct.
We should never, never place any credence in the lives of multimillionaire celebrities. How they live is completely irrelevant to the rest of us.
Posted by Jim C. on 06/10/2008 at 11:28am | permalink | Reply to this comment
"Mommy porn?!"
Thank you, Penelope. This syndrome has needed a name for at least 30 years, probably longer. Mia Farrow, Joan Crawford, all soap opera families, the Waltons…mommy porn role models, all.
Posted by Arlene on 06/10/2008 at 11:34am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Wow, I am not used to this level of bitterness in your posts.
Here are two things I think you overlook:
1) you ASSUME all women have your personality type and work a 9-5 as an alternative to being with their kids, i.e. out of choice. This is not the case for most working women. Their working is borne of necessity, and mostly, they wouldn't be able to make as much "freelancing".
2) How do you know Angelina Jolie/Jennifer Lopez are not great mothers? Implicit in what you are saying is that they actually ARE great mothers and you are just jealous of the wealth they have amassed to facilitate their lives. They probably spend more time with their kids than you do and it is probably QUALITY time BECAUSE, as you rightly say, they have cleaners, stylists, chefs etc. That doesn't make them bad mothers. That makes them successful in their careers. You are always going on about personal branding….here are two women that have built such successful personal brands their jobs consist mostly in being themselves. And you are ragging on them.
Posted by David on 06/10/2008 at 11:37am | permalink | Reply to this comment
You talk about women who build 'brands'. What does parenting have to do with your 'brand'?? Isn't branding what you do at work? Your bankable skills? You career?
By building brands around 'being themselves', these women have incorporated parenting into their mass marketed image, i.e. what will sell best. So you're proving Ms. Trunk's point for her, right?
Would YOU include a picture of yourself with the kids along with your professional resume? Didn't think so.
Posted by Robin on 01/24/2009 at 08:06pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
David, I may be projecting, but I think Penelope is reacting to the impossible expectations that are set up when Angelina, or J. Lo., or Gwyneth Paltrow ("I simply *everything*") are featured, looking like they have it all with no effort. The truth is, that standard is next to impossible for most of us. And seeing them set up as the avatars of perfect working motherhood doesn't help.
I don't think Penelope is saying those women are bad mothers for having all that household help (she uses a nanny herself, and has written eloquently about the choices she's had to make to be able to afford that help). She's saying it's NOT THAT SIMPLE.
Posted by Erika on 06/10/2008 at 11:52am | permalink | Reply to this comment
You are absolutely right. This is one topic I have only obliquely touched on my blog (see "Low Bar for Daddy" post) as my wife and I have talked about it and concluded that you just can't say the truth about all your feelings about parenting in public unless you want to be pilloried. It is not socially acceptable to be ambivalent about parenting. It is easier for me to disregard the Daddy porn because there is so little of it as men are still not really expected to do anything but love being a father.
Posted by Dave Atkins on 06/10/2008 at 11:52am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I agree in general with the concept of Nanny Porn.
I checked out the people.com site and found this quote from Marc Anthony, the father of J. Lo's kids:
"It's just us, man. We're figuring it out and having a great time," he said. "She expects me to help and she makes no bones about it. I get the late shift. I get literally from 10 on because we don't have a nanny. It's just me and Jennifer figuring it out. From 10 p.m. to 8 [a.m.], that's my shift."
So….not sure your argument holds up for that couple, other than as one poster said, they are so wealthy they don't have to work. Are you saying that these people are lying about preferring to be with their kids?
Posted by Another Gal on 06/10/2008 at 11:55am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I loved this post. I don't have children, and perhaps that is why many of my friends with kids tell me privately what you just said publicly. They can't tell anyone else because other parents make them feel badly if they ever say anything other than "having kids is the best thing I ever did in my life." (Which I'm sure is true, along with everything else that's not so great.)
I think if people were more honest about what it's really like to raise kids, it would be a lot EASIER for women, because their expectations about how to juggle it all would be realistic (instead of all the images you get from the media as you describe in your post.)
I do think women are getting to talk more openly about the challenges these days (as evidenced by the growth of "mommy blogs"), and I think that is a very helpful thing and will cure a lot of the problems created by "mommy porn."
Posted by Sydney on 06/10/2008 at 11:56am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, everybody lies about parenting because no one wants a late-evening visit from the local Child Protective Services office acting on an anonymous tip.
Posted by Jenny on 06/10/2008 at 11:56am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thank you for this post. I'm four months pregnant with my first child and still trying to figure out how I'm going to navigate Mr. Sales Guy conversations.
I detest Mommy-porn and I can think of thousands of other examples in the media (and in my own pre-natal yoga class). Luckily, I grew up in a family with four children, my mom went back to work 8 weeks after each delivery, and we all went to an amazing, affordable, daycare. I am so so so thankful that my mother did not stay home with us everyday and that she had her own professional life that I was able to learn from and aspire to. Now that I'm getting ready for motherhood, I'm so glad that I have her as my example. I know it's not going to be like the magazine-spreads but my kid(s) will turn out okay; we all did.
Posted by annie on 06/10/2008 at 12:03pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Great post.
Chris – you've given yourself away as a non parent by the assertion that such a post will generate "angry mom and dads". No it won't. This is so on the money it ain’t funny.
We've taken selling and buying “the dream” too far on every level, so much so it is indeed becoming a bit of a parody of itself – parenting is just where it falls into such clear focus. With two gorgeous kids I know my wife has the harder job as a stay at home mum (right now) – and she'll have an even harder job to find and re-invent herself post that period of her life.
But just because corporate have been legally "encouraged” to "accept and integrate" mum returners, it takes a lot longer to change deep held beliefs. And that question, "who looks after the kids", is one of those ‘saying so much through saying so little’ moments. As a mum it would surely back foot you immediately – by such an “innocent” question they are immediately calling into question your maternality, a fundamental achilles for any red blooded mother.
I liked your approach with Mr Sales guy, Penelope – maybe next time you get asked such a question (if not accompanied with a clear deeper awe of your powers of striving to get / be aware of any kind of balance whilst maintaining such a full on career) go straight back to the question asker with
"What your favourite position for love making these days?"
“None of my business – damned right it's not! Now to why I'm here today. Business.”
Misogyny is as rife as ever. Mostly we (men) can’t help it, almost certainly it’s a subconscious blunt male reaction to things we don’t understand and therefore scare us – the power of a woman. But unless our own shortcomings are laid out bare in front of us by the strong and brave (in an understanding non-confrontational way – because you’re better at that than we are) then there’s still such a long long way to go.
Posted by Alex on 06/10/2008 at 12:13pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Sydney — I'm not sure the proliferation of mommy blogs really helps with the "mommy porn". I'm more inclined to think they exacerbate it, just from the other end. Instead of idealizing have-it-all, do-it-all motherhood, they're glorifying the grunt work. If celebrity motherhood stories are the porn with the big budget, Philip Glass score, and slick production values, then mommy blogs are the Tonya Harding-esque porn with no budget, MIDI soundtrack, and shot with a cell phone cam. Both sides are incredibly annoying and neither side does real, thinking moms any favors when it comes to the Mr. Sales Guys of the world.
Posted by Jenny on 06/10/2008 at 12:18pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I love that term — "mommy porn." It will be my new favourite phrase.
You're right on the money about the trend too. It's not just in pop culture, it's in the shopping too. I don't know about you, but I don't think spending $3000 on a stroller makes me any more capable of parenting, but the mommy porn shows that it does.
I love my kids, of course we all do, but I love them more for all the hours I get away from them.
And I never thought too hard about the Mr. Sales Guy conversations, but I have them with women in business settings as much as with men. Of course, with women, it's usually another mom commiserating.
Carla
Posted by Carla on 06/10/2008 at 12:24pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
It's all part of the myth perpetuated so that normal people will always feel like they can never win, never achieve, never do more. They hear that so-and-so wrote their first novel while holding a 6 month old on one knee and they look at the novel they have been trying to write the one evening a week their husband agrees to handle the kids so she can go to the coffee shop and try to get it done and then wonders why she can't, because she's exhausted.
It's not so much mommy porn as it is mommy myth.
and if ANYONE believes that jennifer lopez and marc antony are raising their kids with no help they are smoking crack. even if there is no 'nanny' there is certainly household staff to cook, clean, do chores, and manage things. it is nowhere near 'on their own'. more myth.
Posted by coyote on 06/10/2008 at 12:29pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Parents need to get over themselves, and how they think the world views them.
Ultra-productive career people are not at home wooing over their kids … they either have a housewife, or unfortunately, a househusband, or possibly a nanny at home rearing the kids.
Mommy porn is a fantastic term to describe this delusional perception that some people give of "having it all."
I think it's sad when people can't say to themselves and the world, "I proudly have my career, and still my kids are in good shape."
Perhaps some parents have misplaced guilt over the idea of not being with their kids 24/7, when in reality, their kids probably don't even need them around half that much.
To each their own if you choose to work, stay-at-home, or try to find balance.
Just be honest about who you really are, versus selling the mythically perfectly balanced career-family arrangement.
Great post, PT!
Posted by David G. on 06/10/2008 at 12:44pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I don't think you should be using that term. If you are writing a blog about the work life balance, many of your readers might be reading from the office or company machines at home.
This term could raise flags with corporate filters and reduce the number of readers to your site by triggering alarms preventing future viewing of your blog from work computers.
Posted by Jim Eiden on 06/10/2008 at 01:03pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Let me guess. The investor you mention here passed, didn't he?
Posted by Jonathan E. on 06/10/2008 at 01:13pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This really TICKS ME off. There should be a disclaimer (in the interest of honesty) every time Angelina is photographed with one of her children: Nanny in background holding diaper bag! "……Angelina Jolie, and her fifty kids. She has a rule that the nannies (plural, yes, each kid has their own) cannot be photographed holding the kids, because it’s bad for Angelina’s image as a mom.
Posted by Katybeth on 06/10/2008 at 01:31pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I appreciate so many more of the answers in this post than I thought I would. Maybe it is just me as a guy, but I feel that parents should just raise their kids how they feel or how necessity dictates. Who cares how J Lo or Angelina Jolie is raising their kids. Their situation is different from yours.
My wife is a stay-at-home mom by her own choice. Honestly, I love that she is able to do that. I could not. What is great for me, is that I get to juggle my career and parenting. And I love the balance that it gives me.
We just need to realize that everyone is different and parents shouldn't be striving to be like the Hollywood mom or the mom blogger. Instead they should just be the mom that they envision as a "good" mom. (Obviously mom can be switched for dad)
Posted by Brent Wong on 06/10/2008 at 01:34pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Yay, P: Once again you've said something that needed to be said.
I hate the image of Angelina. I don't care how many third world countries she's helping. She's admitted to having a gun in her house. She's had an incredibly unstable past. We all make mistakes, but I worry about the safety of her children. Good thing she's got the staff she does.
Posted by mamaworker on 06/10/2008 at 01:46pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Great post. All the celebrity mommy porn really gets to some people! I have 3 kids and have tried it all – back to work 4 days/week after 3 months leave with the first two, then starting my own home-based consulting business after the 3rd. After 5 years balancing working at home with 3 kids, went back to work part-time, and for the past 4 years have been working full-time again, out of necessity.
So I see it from every angle and let me tell you, there is no easy solution. One person's dream situation is another's nightmare. I've met moms who say flat out that they could never handle staying home, and moms who say the complete opposite. I've seen moms who balance the work/family thing pretty well and those who fail miserably. We all know great nannies and awful moms…and super moms and abusive nannies.
I will say that working from home for a couple of years helped me build a network of stay-at-home/work-at-home moms (and a few dads) that I could rely on for support when I went back to work, which is a godsend. Whatever your choice, do what's right for you and your family!
Posted by prklypr on 06/10/2008 at 01:57pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
"So there’s real damage from mommy porn. Everyone begins thinking that every woman should be parenting gracefully while working full time"
This is true, and I also think that it isn't just the "Mommy Porn" that shows the lies…it is also the fact that I (technically a Gen Y-er but I consider myself cuspy of Y and X) have been lied to about EVERYTHING (Money, getting a degree, work, how marriage works…you name it).
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Eve, I love this comment. It's so true. I gave a speech today, and having read your comment beforehand changed how I spoke. The way we talk about the trappings of adulthood is absurd. We promise each other so much, as if it's coming, as if things will be easy. And it's all so hard. I go out in the world, and I can't believe how dishonest things are. And I come back to this community and feel lucky that there is a common understanding among us that what we've been sold is not working. Thanks for reminding me that this post applies to a lot more than being a mom.
-Penelope
Posted by Eve on 06/10/2008 at 01:57pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks for writing this post! Although I haven't written about it online, in my offline life, I have been honest about the fact that staying home with my kid would drive me batty in no time flat. My schedule as a teacher is just perfect in this regard. The summers? He is at day camp at this very moment. It is what we both prefer. Last summer we were in each other's hair all summer–he was bored, I was exasperated. Perhaps it would be different if we lived in communities where there WAS community for moms and kids at home, but I haven't found that to be the case.
Yeah, you just know that Angelina Jolie doesn't get stomach bugs and have to change diapers in between throwing up. Stuff like that.
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I really appreciate all the people weighing in and saying that staying home all day makes them nuts. I found it was so hard to face myself at first — to realize that I was one of the people who cannot stay home. I have found that it's a hard process to get to a point where someone, like Bloggrl, or the many others in this comment string, can say publicly that staying home does not work. I am so so grateful to all the parents who have been honest with me over the past six years since I had kids. The honesty, even if it was in private, helped me to see myself more clearly.
–Penelope
Posted by Bloggrrl on 06/10/2008 at 02:15pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Stuff worth reading:
http://www.reason.com/news/show/125163.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1202940,00.html
I believe Penelope has linked to Daniel Gilbert's research before.
Personally, I think people are happiest when they get what they want – if you want kids, you will be happier if you have them, and if you don't want kids, you will be happier if you don't have them. But people should know realistically what they are getting into, and the "Mommy Porn" industry produces nothing of use to anyone except itself.
Posted by Pirate Jo on 06/10/2008 at 02:24pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
You are absolutely, 100%, spot-on with this.
Personally, I dream of staying at home and raising my (future) children. But because my husband and I both need to work, we're actually putting off getting pregnant until we can "figure out" how we're going to work this. Meanwhile, I'm 36, and my husband is 39. We don't have time to waste.
Meanwhile, JLo and Halle and Angelina are gorgeous, glowing, relaxed, and hailed as amazing role models. Give me a break. I could use a personal staff to keep it all together right NOW, never mind when I have kids.
Posted by mary on 06/10/2008 at 03:00pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope:
This is a great blog. I just found it and really like what I see.
I like the long length of your posts. I try to keep my blog posts to about 600 words, but I have been advised that they are too long — so now I'm experimenting with about 300 — 400 words. Don't know if I like it yet.
I don't have kids, but I would be fed up if I did and was always asked questions about how I took care of them and worked — of course, no one would aske me that question, because I'm a guy.
I've subscribed to your blog and will read every day. Keep up the great posts with the thoughtful content.
Posted by Bud Bilanich on 06/10/2008 at 03:05pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Very interesting article. It is a shame. I believe this is what has caused such an increase in autism recently. If parents are not constantly interacting with their children, especially very early on prior to school, children miss out on crucial social interaction with their parents.
I read about these topics in a wonderful book called Emotional Intelligence by Daniel Goleman. I really suggest the book to everyone, especially those with autism or parents of autistic children.
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Of course I have to weigh in here and say that autism is not caused by bad parenting. But, in fact, it's just another assault on women who work full-time to even think, for one second, that this would be true.
Irony: If you had emotional intelligence you would never post a comment saying that autism is caused by bad parenting.
-Penelope
Posted by Kevin Cannella - OfficeArrow on 06/10/2008 at 03:14pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Angelina Jolie can afford to hire multiple "wives".
Posted by leslie on 06/10/2008 at 03:14pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Great post. Having actually been the primary caregiver for my kids when they were infants (I was crazy enough to try taking care of both Jason and Marissa at work, and my friend the CEO was crazy enough to let me), I know more than most non stay-at-home husbands how much work it is to care for children. Work is a breeze in comparison, and being a primary caregiver has made me way more efficient than I was before I became a dad.
Unfortunately, my experience was very unusual. I doubt many people have jobs where bringing a baby in to work every day would be allowed. And I probably would have worried about things like advancement if I weren't a member of the founding team.
The challenge that faces most of us is simple–do we tell the truth about parenting? I'm often reluctant to discuss parenthood with VCs I don't know well, simply because I think it hurts my chances of fundraising.
I'm an investor myself, and I know for a fact that I'd rather invest in the insane, driven entrepreneur who will do anything to win. I just don't want to hang out with them, or, God forbid, work for them.
Posted by Chris Yeh on 06/10/2008 at 03:26pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Woo…Hoo…somebody finally said it. I love my daughter but I was secretly thrilled to send her to daycare. And guess what, she was glad to go too.
How do I know this because she didn't cry once on her very first day at 13 months and has never cried or whined since. The daycare said she was so well adjusted.
Fast forward eight years later. This time away has made our relationship much stronger. We're both social butterflies and love our own time apart.
Oh and unlike most moms, I work from home and have done so for five years.
Posted by Jennifer on 06/10/2008 at 03:28pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hey…just another take on the subject: a rant by Rebecca Walker (daughter of Alice Walker) that's a take on the experience of being parented by a mom that didn't try to have it all:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1021293/How-mothers-fanatical-feminist-views-tore-apart-daughter-The-Color-Purple-author.html
I read it this a.m. and was thinking about it along generational lines (Rebecca and I are the same age, and I saw a reflection of my own Gen X take on Boomers), but there's also a critique of "classic" feminism and a healthy dose of debunking the mommy porn issue PT describes.
Just more food (fuel?) for thought.
Posted by JenFlex on 06/10/2008 at 03:29pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Understand your thoughts. Remember continue to find helpful adults who are willing to spend some time with the kids that you can trust so that they are times away from them. It is important to spend enough time away from them that you can deal with them reasonably well when you are there because you had a break. It is a dramatic undertaking. Then you do the best you can to do all the things required and expected and realize that you can only do so much. Love helps cover for mistakes so make sure they know you love them even when you are angry or they have failed in some way. Hope the balance gets better for you.
Posted by Don B. on 06/10/2008 at 03:30pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I couldn't agree more. It is a shame that celebrity moms aren't more upfront about how much help they truly have. They are being blatantly dishonest and are doing a disservice to women.
Posted by klein3351f on 06/10/2008 at 03:34pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Kevin's comment about autism is completely outdated, inaccurate and untrue. Autism is not a result of 'distant' parenting as was widely believed in the 1940s. It's a complex combination of a number of factors: the strongest being heredity, most often from the father's side. And not only Kevin's comment inaccurate, it's cold and tactless considering Pen's personal experience with Autism.
Posted by Susan on 06/10/2008 at 03:35pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Great Post.
I think the worst channel on TV right now is E! My wife watches it all the time. They gush over how these celebrity moms "are great parents" & "love their kids".
The latest thing that made me sick was one E! reporter was talking about Jamie Lynn Spears and said "she is looking forward to being a mom" and "will make a great mom".
Posted by Neil C on 06/10/2008 at 03:43pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
"It is a shame. I believe this is what has caused such an increase in autism recently." – Kevin Cannella
"And not only Kevin’s comment inaccurate, it’s cold and tactless…" – Susan
Let's be real.
Kevin is an a**hole.
There's no way he wrote that comment unknowing about PT's situation.
So he read "a" book re autism.
And he thinks the limited knowledge accumulated from one book makes him expert enough to make a blanket statement re the causes of autism?
If he believes that, he's more of an idiot than his post reveals.
Posted by David on 06/10/2008 at 04:00pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Right on, Penelope! I will freely tell anyone who'll listen that after 9 months of mat leave with my little girl, I was desperate to get back to work. I love my daughter, but let's face it, I also love my job and at parenting I am just an amateur. I'm quite happy to pay qualified, trained professionals to take care of her during the day. I would love to do away with the cultural myth that mothering is my true calling and my only source of fulfillment, and the expectation that I would choose to stay home if I were not financially required to work.
Posted by Jenny on 06/10/2008 at 04:04pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
As an American woman living in the Netherlands, I have gone back in time and live in the 1950's. Only 6% of women with children work 35 hours or more and you are a "Bad Mother" if you work more than 3 days per week. The avg. is 12-15 hours per week, which results in women working completely low level jobs.
My kids are one year old and four years old. When I first visited a day care center for my son, I asked how many of the kids (out of 60) were there 5 days and the answer was a shocked, none of course!! In most schools, the mother is still expected to pick up their kids (by bike) for lunch at home and then bring the kids back to school. All schools are off on Wednesday afternoons too.
The culture and structure of this society perpetuate the pattern and the question of who takes care of your children comes up less often because it is assumed that you work part time!
I do work full time + and it isn't for the money. I run a non-profit incubator and business center for women entrepreneurs and my baby-sitter earns more than I do as I build up the business! I do not wish I could stay home all day every day with the kids, but I know that I am one of few that can say it guilt free.
People are also shocked that my husband "helps out" so much!
Posted by Suzy on 06/10/2008 at 04:12pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Awesome post!
Those "who takes care of your kids" – style questions aren't limited to business contacts, either. My own mother would ask me the most insulting questions about my girls' day in daycare. Things like, "Do you wonder if the girls will start thinking that (the babysitter) is their mom?"
Posted by GenerationXpert on 06/10/2008 at 04:14pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
excellent post.
I stayed home with our daughter for her first two years and as grateful as I am for having had that experience, I thought I was loosing my mind and needed to get back to work asap. I was just not cut out to be a SAHM. It doesn't mean I love my daughter any less, it just means I need some time away. My husband is now the stay-at-home-dad and wonderful at it. I am extremely lucky & thankful for all that he does. But still I get comments from people about how i'm not a good mom for pursuing my career or that my husband must be a pushover or wuss for staying home…that's just such crap! We don't have to prove anything to anybody, but its shitty that people say stuff like that. Parenting is not one size-fits-all, when are people going to get that?
Posted by Fitarella on 06/10/2008 at 04:27pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
The myth of satisfying parenthood is a biological defense mechanism that humans evolved for the perpetuation of the species. In all likelihood (admittedly not certainly), at some point, you too will lie to your children so that they will develop the desire to procreate. The question is, will you lie out of love, or spite? :D
Posted by tinyhands on 06/10/2008 at 04:29pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Interesting post to get us thinking.
I forgot who said this on a keynote/seminar, 'People don't like to lie, but they have no problem misleading people'. So it's not really a lie, they do take care of the their kids … occasionally or maybe less than that; but they misleading us by leting us think that they are supermommies.
Many of us do this all the time, it could be the face you show at work, in front of your client/boss/director, your kid's teacher or going on a first date. Would those be lies or just be misleading?
Many interviews with entrepreneurs would write how they got their success, but not their failures & making them look like super-entrepreneurs. Can we call that Entrepreneurism Porn?
I guess I'm so use to it & everyone does it, that don't consider a problem but just part of being human/social. (Image vs the real-situation)
Posted by Ian on 06/10/2008 at 04:40pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
"So there’s real damage from mommy porn. Everyone begins thinking that every woman should be parenting gracefully while working full time."
This attitude also hurts women who DO prefer to stay at home — if they're not working outside the home in addition to raising the kids and managing the household, they're regarded as unambitious or lazy.
I stayed home for almost two years and mostly enjoyed it. When I started getting restless, I was lucky enough to find a 20 hr/wk telecommuting contract in my field (software). Even with this level of work I find a cleaning person and a part-time nanny absolutely essential to function. So many bloggers out there are trying to do it all without help and boy do they sound stressed!
Posted by T. on 06/10/2008 at 04:48pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I read the Rebecca Walker article posted by JenFlex. Very, very interesting.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1021293/How-mothers-fanatical-feminist-views-tore-apart-daughter-The-Color-Purple-author.html
There's a danger in parenting with a view towards others' expectations rather than your child's needs– whether those expectations are 1970s radical feminism or having Angelina Jolie's lifestyle.
Posted by Sakoro on 06/10/2008 at 04:52pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
People are always telling me that it's easier to be at work than at home with the kids. I've even been told this by people I met less than 5 minutes before. I've had people stop me and ask me why I don't go back to f/t work in an office somewhere.
People say, things like, "How can you handle it? How can you stand it? Doesn't it drive you crazy? I can't do that. I'm not that kind of person. How can you do it? You're not that kind of person. You must be going crazy. My kid is a monster — I couldn't handle being at home with him." and so on.
Maybe it's because I'm at home with my kids all day AND I run a business from home. People feel like I must know what it's like to want to go back to work…and that they can safely tell me how much they hated taking care of kids all day. They figure I must understand how grueling raising kids is.
I was pretty shocked when people — even complete strangers — started telling me these things. But I slowly realized that a lot of people go to work because they don't want to be at home with their kids. In fact, if you look around, a lot of stay at home parents have their kids in extended preschool, with a nanny or in daycare for 15 hours a week or more. Even the people at home don't want their kids full time.
So I'm an anomaly. I'm at home with my kids all day. I work during naps and after bed time. Right now, I wouldn't have it any other way. I'm making good money, leading a successful career and raising my own family. My partner and I share parenting and home duties. We're weird, I guess.
But is all this a secret? Not that I can tell. If it's a secret, it's an open secret. But maybe it's only something people tell to WAHPs and SAHPs.
Posted by Andrea >> Become a consultant on 06/10/2008 at 04:57pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
True, women have achieved relative equality of opportunity in various sectors of life, but I sometimes wonder if this is only because society has somehow mentally separated "women" from "mothers"—as if the latter is not merely a piece of the former, as man is to father. It’s as if a "woman" is her own person, with rights, and worthy of respect. But once a woman becomes pregnant (once she has sex, really), any pretense of equality goes flying out the window, and it’s almost taken for granted that she becomes property of society—someone whose uterus can be controlled, belly can be touched unbidden, life choices can be questioned, and private life can be intruded upon. Issues that relate to a woman’s reproductive life (including how she parents) are in the public domain, and it’s the undoing of so much the feminist movement has achieved. This goes beyond issues of pro-life/choice, and I think it will be the feminist issue of my (as yet childless, Y) generation.
You know (and I duck and cover as I say this), I don’t blame the women who participate in the mommy porn. In a sense, Angelina Jolie and the military mom are victims of the culture too, and sad reminders that even the most powerful women are not more powerful than our America’s fidelity to this mommy myth.
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I think I probably agree. The media. Yes. I blame the media. But it's hard to blame moms who participate. It's so hard to navigate this terrain, that however people do it seems okay. You will never hear Angelina saying how other people should parent. She is careful about that. It's a fine line. For all of us, maybe.
Anyway, I hate to think that you feel like you have to duck and cover, because I love a comment like this that is challenging. So thanks for that, Jennifer.
-Penelope
Posted by Jennifer Lynn on 06/10/2008 at 04:58pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Excellent post. I don't love all of your posts, the one about how much it would cost to install WIFI at the farmer's house kind of bugged me, but this one is right on.
It bothers me too, how we all have to feel the same way or at least – let's be honest – give the same shiny plastic cover stories (the ones our society accepts) about life choices.
And the things that bug me that you write about in this post tie in my mind to another subject that bugs me – the glorification of the wealthy, comfortable Harvard Law mom who tells the NYT how wonderful it is to not work and be provided for as she "finds herself" or makes handbags or does whatever the licensed and educated do when real work** gets too hard. God forbid their kids ever become challenging and no longer as fun to be with or impressive looking…what does she do then, go back to the office? Breed cats? Whatever looks best in print, I suppose.
[PS - haters, come at me - making handbags at home or keeping a mommy blog IS NOT A REAL JOB - those ladies have taken a potentially productive professional license out of the economy, and shame on them for not sucking it up as the lower and middle classes are forced to]
"Haters come at me" I love that. The extra spunk in the comments makes me so happy.
-Penelope
Posted by Marla on 06/10/2008 at 05:14pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
"But the level of expectations people have for parenting is absolutely insane. The mommy porn feeds this problem."
Strangely enough I read this post and all I could think about was flexible work arrangements. I know that the two topics don't seem to go together so let me explain.
I've read a couple of articles recently about the gas price increases that have stated that a high percentage of workers say they could fulfill some or all of their work responsibilities by telecommuting yet only 4% of companies allow it. So it seems to me that there are some pretty insane expectations around workplace as well.
What makes it common to the parenting challenge is that in both cases the insane expectations are driven by a focus on the wrong outcome. Why are some supervisors and companies obsessed with physically observing an employee doing their job? And why are parents judged by the amount of time that they spend with their children?
In the case of work the focus should be on outcomes, e.g., claims processed, questions answered, sales closed. In parenting I doubt that reasonable people could agree on one standard that applies to all situations but 'hours my child is physically in my presence' is certainly the wrong one.
Posted by Connie on 06/10/2008 at 05:44pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Nothing much new to add to this facinating conversation. But, honestly Penelope, doesn't this comment of yours sound just the slightest bit condesending?
"But I’m telling you, if the feeling weren’t ubiquitous then there would be no one to be in middle management working 9-5 because they’d all be home with their kids, doing freelance work after bedtime."
Wrong.
Some people are working 9-5 not because they want to get away from their kids, but because they don't have any other option to pay for $4.00/gallon gas.
They aren't highly educated, totally wired, socially networked, internet 2.0 workers. They lack either the education, opportunity, skill set or budget to buy a bitchin' laptop and get that sweet freelance gig.
You live in Madison, right? Wander on over to a middle-middle class neighborhood on the far east side and chat some of those people up about the plethora of freelance opportunities, OK?
The mommy porn thing though is right on the money.
Posted by Rcket on 06/10/2008 at 05:57pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
While you're absolutely right (My wife LOVES People and Us magazines and reads them religiously…so I kind of *ahem* peek at them), you of all people have to recognize that the MSM, magazines included, care about circulation and advertising revenue – not how their magazine may or may not affect the public perception. And I know you know this.
Case and point: Us magazine reports on Hollywood glamor, fashion, etc… Yet, since it's a weekly issue, when there's no real news to report, guess what topic always makes the cover: Weight loss. Always. And they show a picture of some sweet, young thing scantily clad in a bikini or similar and invariably tell you how you can lose 200 lbs. in one week by eating only chocolate ice cream.
The cover isn't just mommy porn, it's female porn (without the explicit, exposed body parts) selling the idea to women that you too, can become hot and skinny by following a totally unrealistic diet. Unrealistic because people can't just eat one Fig Newton and they can't afford the personal chefs making healthy meals thrice daily.
So really, I guess I was just agreeing with you but pointing out the fact that I know you know why they do it. The difference is, they get paid to lie and you get paid to tell the truth – so I understand why it's frustrating to you because you don't have to lie. It's just that lies are more interesting than the truth. Just look at how the media portrays political stories. Obama's famous 'bitter' remark dominated the headlines and all the MSM outlets for an entire week when everyone whose IQ was over 70 knew what he really meant, yet they still spun it and milked it for all it was worth because it's not really about truth.
Posted by Adam on 06/10/2008 at 06:09pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
"My own mother would ask me the most insulting questions about my girls’ day in daycare. Things like, “Do you wonder if the girls will start thinking that (the babysitter) is their mom?”"
GenerationXpert, it seems like every time I read one of your posts I think, "Hey, I resemble that remark!" I'm right smack in the middle of Generation X, however you measure it – born in 1970 – and I think one of the biggest differences between Generation X and Generation Y is the fact that our parents are so different.
I can't fathom what it would be like to have a Baby Boomer career-oriented mom. Mine stayed home and sewed clothes, gardened, and did macrame. I think it was really boring a lot of the time for her, and living in such an isolated area she didn't have many other people to socialize with. But I also think she dreaded the idea of a job, and she is really sort of agoraphobic when it comes to getting out and being around people where there's more hustle and bustle. I thought growing up in the sticks was dull because there was never anyone else around, but she seems to like it. At any rate, although she does have some clerical skills, those jobs never paid enough for her to justify driving 50 miles to the nearest city every day. When I was in college she had a job in a nearby town that lasted around ten years, until their branch shut down, but she was never a career woman.
Our parents have more in common with Generation Y's grandparents.
Posted by Pirate Jo on 06/10/2008 at 06:27pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I definitely agree.
And why isn't there any Daddy porn? Gee I wonder. (Men aren't under the delusion that they'll have to "do it all." at least nobody's lying to us about that.)
Posted by Sumayya on 06/10/2008 at 06:41pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I heard Suzy Welch (Jack's wife) speak in April, and someone in the audience brought up the question of work-life balance (she has 4 grown kids). She rather unabashedly called it bull – she didn't want to be home with the kids, she preferred the career, and she wouldn't be where she was if she tried for both. She said it was a big joke in her house when the kids were small when she'd spend a couple hours on Christmas morning playing with them. I think her point was that it's not worth worrying about, that they end up fine in the end, but she later let it slip that she had a full-time nanny.
Afterwards, the group I was with (all women, some married with kids) talked about that point in particular quite a bit – we all decided that while it seemed her kids didn't have a mother, they really did. But it wasn't Suzy Welch. So yes, you can have it all, if you can afford to have a nanny and a host of other personal services. Honestly, seeing my friends with kids (none of my own), I know instinctively that there's no way to "have it all" – you make enough money to buy help or you prioritize.
And frankly, I think that's the way life should be. Reality, however, is not what sells magazines.
Posted by Cassandra on 06/10/2008 at 07:23pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Mommy porn. So right on.
p.s. I have a house husband.
Posted by KP on 06/10/2008 at 07:58pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
So, who takes care of your kids?
Posted by Frank on 06/10/2008 at 09:17pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
"Mommy Porn" — brilliant! You sparked a blog for me today, because this is a problem that affects a LOT of moms, both those who stay home full-time and those who have to go to the office, whether part- or full-time. And I think it's especially hard on single moms, who might *want* to be home with their kids but who must hold down a job out of necessity.
I want to share an insight from one of my readers, who said, "In its essence, porn is gratification without the commitment, investment, and work." In light of that definition, you have *definitely* hit the nail on the head as far as what those fancy photo spreads of the rich and famous mommies really amount to.
And I think you have identified a real problem: good, hardworking, capable women are being undermined by images that simply are not realistic. Anyone could be "supermom" if they had a whole staff to help them. But most of us can't afford to hire a staff. So, we just keep plugging on, doing our best to keep up with as much as we possibly can, while wishing we could be more.
Posted by Editormum on 06/10/2008 at 09:25pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Mommy porn – what a great post. But I totally agree with the idea that the real danger lies in that moment when we start to parent to others' expectations rather than doing the best we can for ourselves AND our children given where we are at and what we have got. The key is intent – but that is not something that we need to justify to others, just ourselves. I loved it when I was home with my kids; I love it equally now that I am working fulltime. And my kids love me and know they are loved. Isn't that all that is important?
Posted by karynp on 06/10/2008 at 10:55pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I work part-time (3 days/week). As I leave the office, invariably, someone will say, "Enjoy your day off." I always turn back and answer, "Well, actually, *this* was my day off. I got to drink a whole cup of coffee, answer e-mails, finish something I started, and have 4 adult conversations."
I do love being home with my kids. But I also love working. For me, that has meant a part-time solution with a 50% pay cut, to make both of those things happen. It's worth it, but never do I think I "have it all." I have half: half a job; half the time with my kids. For me, that works out just fine.
Frankly, I think the world would be a better place if everyone worked part-time (regardless of their parent status), but that's a different discussion.
Posted by K on 06/10/2008 at 10:56pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Great post, Penelope! Here's my take. We have two kids, 4 and 5. I am an oral surgeon. After I had my first child, I made the choice not to go back to work full time. I work two days a week.
I honestly do not know how people with kids can juggle working full time. I do not know how they do it. Unless they have a nanny, which I do not, by choice.
Maybe it is just me, but I could not work my particular job full time and juggle all the things like sick kids, grocery shopping, laundry, car repairs etc.
What's my point? I completely think the "you can have it both — career and be a mom" is a myth. Something has to give. Either you give up the bulk responsibility of raising your kid, and put your kid in daycare or w/ a nanny… or you give up something in your career so you can spend more time raising your kids.
Personally, I chose to give up the career part. I don't regret it at all. And I am not lying about this. I even sold my practice so I wouldn't have to deal w/ all the nonsense that goes along w/ ownership. HUGE relief. Spending time w/ my kids is much more rewarding to me. Do I sometimes want to throttle them? Yes! Do I have some relief when I go to work? Sometimes… but dental patients are often equally as high maintenance!
Thanks for your blog, Penelope. I have been enjoying every post since I discovered you!
Posted by Debrina on 06/10/2008 at 11:50pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Great post.
Folks don't forget that "mommy porn" doesn't just sell magazines, it sells the OTHER stuff IN the magazine. The Bellini cribs and Orbit carrier that advertisers put in when the magazine calls them to tell them about the great story they're doing on the celebrity mom and dad. And the photos — you just know that often the celeb parent doesn't have to BUY any of those items – though they can well afford to – because the manufacturers give them freebies just for the photo ops.
Posted by Robyn on 06/11/2008 at 01:24am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Okay now seriously, is anyone looking to Angelina Jolie and Jennifer Lopez as role models? And does anyone seriously think Angelina is carrying those kids more than a few meters on those skinny little arms of hers? Of course there are nannies lurking in the background! They're right next to the make-up artists and the personal trainers.
Posted by melanie gao on 06/11/2008 at 02:10am | permalink | Reply to this comment
"Everyone is drawn to the ideal of Angelina Jolie as the perfect combination of careerist and mother." Really? Everyone? Strange, I've never heard her described like that. She's merely another self-absorbed Hollywood wacko, of which there has never been a shortage.
If I were Angelina's publicist (a horrifying prospect, other than the money) responding to this post, I'd point out your $50,000 house manager, full-time nanny and cleaning service.
Posted by Bill on 06/11/2008 at 06:30am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Great Post. Love "Mommy Porn". Can you trademark? :)
How's this for an answer to your Sales Guy:
Q: "So, who takes care of your kids?"
A: "I do."
Period.
Because the fact is, you do take care of them. By working and providing for them, by making sure they have care, food, medical attention, and yes, going to a reasonable number of soccer games and kid-birthday parties.
But most importantly, you are taking care of them by taking care of YOURSELF. By doing meaningful work that contributes to society and your own well-being, you are filled up as an adult, so that you don't need your kids to "complete" you, like so many sad parents do. Our society has this myth, as you indicate that we're supposed to focus on our kids or they'll be messed up, when that undue, inappropriate "focus" is what actually damages them. Keep up the good work. By working and contributing, and showing your kids that this is OK, you're being the best parent possible. Congratulations.
Posted by Dave on 06/11/2008 at 07:12am | permalink | Reply to this comment
The troubles of raising kids is the payback for all the trouble you gave your parents. Your kids will hopefully get their payback because the fun is being the grandparent. Then if you get rattled and have had to much you march the kids back to your kid.
Posted by Don B. on 06/11/2008 at 07:34am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Oh my flipping God–THANK YOU! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! I am so glad someone finally stepped up and told the whole world that we cannot and will not live up to the super mom image. Good grief!
I have 4 kids and it is HARD. When I tell people I work from home they act disgusted that I send my kids to daycare. How can I work effectively when they are constantly on top of me 24/7? No one asks my husband where the kids are all day, no one cares. When I want to go on a business trip the first question everyone asks me is the same question you got, "Who will take care of the kids?" or people will assume I can't go somewhere or do something because of the kids.
And yes being a parent is difficult and it's no fairytale. And no babies don't sleep through the night by 6 weeks and there is nothing wrong with you when they are still waking up at night. lol. Someone needs to write a book on the real deal of parenting.
Posted by Shannon on 06/11/2008 at 08:13am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I love your article here. I am a full time working mom. My house is a mess, behind on bills, I am exhausted and work is stressful and I am behind. However, when I get home from work I spend time with my kids, reading, playing games, on the Wii and just goofing off. I have a husband who shares the responsibilities of the home. They eat healthy most of the time. They are at a sitters and summer camp right now. I have been strong enough to say, I would not make a good stay at home mom and I love my job. I don't want to give it up. They don't have autism. I am offended that anyone would actually buy into that line of BS that this is why there is an increase. I know many children that have stay at home moms and they still have autism or bi-polar or aspergers or speech impairments etc. Kevin being the ignoramous that he is needs to find some other books to read and educate himself. I am assuming he is not married and has no children.
Posted by Jennifer SD on 06/11/2008 at 09:59am | permalink | Reply to this comment
You are so right on with this one. The other gross angle to the Angelina Jolie media saga is that the media paints a picture of Jennifer Aniston being left by Brad Pitt because she didn't pop out a kid soon enough. Because she wanted to make movies. And poor Brad just wanted a nice baby momma. The nerve of her ambition! Only Jennifer Aniston and Angelina have tabloid covers that say, "Where are Jen's babies!!!" and "Does Angelina pay enough attention to Shiloh?" Brad Pitt, meanwhile, is just cruising along. That's the other part of the circus that makes me want to puke.
Your anger is righteous and your truth is very needed.
Now I'm going to read the 70 other comments.
Posted by Joselle Palacios on 06/11/2008 at 10:20am | permalink | Reply to this comment
J-Lo's a working mom? Working her ass off in the gym, maybe, or working her credit card to a nub shopping–but other than that, does she really count as a "working" mom when she's not either making a movie or recording an album? Same for Angelina. And LMAO at the comment about her lugging babies around with those little stick arms–amen!
My feelings about this topic are all over the place. I was a stay-home mom for 8 years, and during that time thought moms who put their kids in daycare were selfish and were kidding themselves thinking the kids would be fine–obviously only a kid with a mom at home full time would be fine. If you stay home with kids and hang around with other stay home moms there is MUCH tongue clucking–and lashing–about selfish working moms and their poor neglected kids. It didn't help matters that I was raised being told by my stay-home mom that working moms were selfish and how it was so sad for the kids. The fact that this advice was being given by a woman who stayed married to a man who physically abused both her and the kids should have tipped me off, but somehow it took me about 35 years to make that connection and figure out maybe I was drinking the wrong KoolAid.
I was committed to being home with my kids because I honestly thought it was best for them– but I was miserable. I tried to be one of those women who LOVE being a mom and doing activities with the kids and have infinite patience; the truth was that I loved my kids but hated being a full-time mom, was bored, and was trapped in a horrible marriage because I had no income.
Once my kids were in school I went back to work–first part time then gradually to full time. Now I can't imagine not working–the idea of being a stay-home mom makes me hyperventilate with dread. School's out tomorrow and I cannot imagine what I'd do if it was just me and the kids all summer–damn right I'll be happy to be at work.
The problem is that the whole thing has so many facets–yes, I prefer to be at work, but when the kids are sick or school's out for whatever reason, part of me wishes I just was home and didn't have to worry about childcare. Do I think I'm a better role model to my kids as a working mom? Definitely. Do I feel guilty that I can't go on field trips? Yes–but at the same time I'm thankful I can use work as an excuse because I wouldn't want to go if I were home anyway. Try being a stay-home mom who opts out of any kid-related activity—it doesn’t go over too well.
I guess I'm just divided on the subject: I would like my kids to have a stay home mom, but I don't want to be a stay home mom.
I do have to say that if you haven't read Leslie Bennett's The Feminine Mistake, you should. If I had read that back when I was a stay home mom I wonder if it would have shocked some sense into me. Even if my husband became a millionaire I couldn't go back to being a stay-home mom after reading that book.
And Penelope–my hat's off to you for dealing with this stuff on top of parenting an autistic child. If I were you I'd want to scream at people who questioned me about my parenting–let them walk a mile in your shoes and I'm sure all you'd get would be a handshake and a bewildered "how do you manage?"
Posted by Maggie on 06/11/2008 at 10:45am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope – you need to read this article.
It's a tie-in w/ what you are saying, but is about how we treat children like royalty – I think you are making a great point about "mommy porn." But there is also a new breed of "kindergarchy" where parents are expected to do everything for their kids, love them every minute of every day, play them mozart and bend over backwards to cater to their whims, just so they don't screw them up. Maybe they are still screwing them up. Maybe no one knows how to be a good parent.
Maybe you can love your job and spend 70% of your time at it, or be a mom spending your afternoons playing cards, leave your kids to fend for themselves, and they'll still turn out okay, love you, and you love them. Read the article.
Posted by Milena on 06/11/2008 at 10:54am | permalink | Reply to this comment
This had me thinking for two days. You're right, there's no great role models for moms, and people are always going to critize/comment/judge your choices one way or another. No one critizes the men. I got "advice" from strangers since the moment I was pregnant (Why are you eating that?) until today (why are your kids in daycare full-time and you only work part-time?) and constantly feel on the defense (beacause I commute…so I can get stuff DONE…because, because…). Sometimes I actually lie to people about how much I work so they don't think I'm lazy, when the reality is I am afraid to admit that, as you said, I like my time at work away from the kids, I even like my commute so I can read and walk and think, and on my time off I actually take time to sit on my butt and watch TV sometimes. There. I SAID IT!
PS My husband has ZERO guilt. He is a teacher, home for the summer, and we are keeping our kids in daycare. Sure, they won't be there as long during the day, but if I were home for the summer without kids, can you imagine the questions I'd get? And when people question our situation, they question ME still, not HIM! They want to judge, but somehow know they'll get a reaction from me, while he's just like, "Hey, I tried it last summer, it sucked, so they're staying in daycare."
Posted by Erika on 06/11/2008 at 10:56am | permalink | Reply to this comment
As usual, Penelope, a fantastic piece of writing and a wonderfully colorful and descriptive term: "mommy porn". You really have a talent!
My wife and I are raising 7 kids … 2 bio, 4 adoptive and 1 foster, while maintaining two near-full-time jobs. Everyone assumes that my wife stays at home to care for the kids and seems appalled when they find out she works 4 days/wk.
We came to the realization early on that our work lives gave us opportunities to interact with other adults and get a breather from the stresses of family life. Our time together as a couple keeps us grounded and (semi-)sane. There is a certain sense of fulfillment in the work, as well as in the raising of our kids, but making a life out of just one or the other wasn't enough for either of us.
I appreciate the honesty and candor that you provide in your piece, as well as the comments others have left.
I admit that there are days when I go home and scream in my pillow. Days when I dread what is waiting for me at home. Days when all I really want to do is have some quiet time to myself away from the kids. That doesn't make me a bad parent. I have those same feelings about work too, and no one calls me a bad worker.
Admitting that parenting is hard and that we all get worn out sometimes is being realistic and knowing our limits. Denying it is only inviting disaster. The representations of parenting in the media consistently paint the picture of an impossible lifestyle … anyone whose life is that effortless and composed is living a lie.
Thanks again for the insightful and honest article.
Posted by Todd K on 06/11/2008 at 11:01am | permalink | Reply to this comment
When people ask me who takes care of my kids, I say, "My kids are old enough be home by themselves. As long as the leashes aren't too tight and there's plenty of fresh water in their bowls, they do just fine." That usually is the end of that ridiculous question.
I for one have never denied I prefer to work than be at home all day everyday with the kids. Even they know it. Hell, some kids probably prefer their mom to work outside of the home too!
Posted by Valerie on 06/11/2008 at 11:22am | permalink | Reply to this comment
P – you're the best. My Austic son is 5 now and I have never apologized for taking 4 weeks maternity leave and, agast, leavomg him with his father until he was 6 months old. It was the best decision for our family. I couldn't stay home. It's just not in me. I had him with me in the office checking email when he was just 2 weeks old.
He's been in dayhomes and daycares. He needs that interaction with other kids. My husband and I need to work – for financial and happiness reasons.
Society is nuts. Just the other day, while chatting with an executive at the multi-national company I work at, I mentioned looking at job postings outside my home country. He instantly asked what my husband does and whether or not he would be willing to move. I couldn't help but wonder if he would have asked that questions if I was a man!?!?
Posted by Tara P on 06/11/2008 at 11:30am | permalink | Reply to this comment
What about the idea that maybe parents would rather be with their kids, but choose not to so they're secure in knowing they are making money to provide for them?
I bet more people would go with the freelance work/stay-home-with-kids route if there weren't so much uncertainty in having a non-traditional job.
Posted by Margaret on 06/11/2008 at 12:14pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
What gets me about the whole thing is that underlying all the mommy porn is the myth that not only are moms supposed to lead the ever-elusive balanced life but that we are supposed to do it alone. Where are the dads? Hate to say it all you dads but you're kind of lucky in that whatever you do is above and beyond the expectation of fatherhood because, well, as of yet there is no expectation!
We are a society of supermoms and invisible dads in a world of nuclear families and all of it is a lie. Apparently it doesn't take a village – it takes one superhuman woman.
And don't even get me started on the post-pregnancy anorexic starlets who parade into the media proudly showing off their emaciated bodies two weeks after giving birth.
How much more insane is this going to get? And these starlet babies are all a way of keeping up with the Joneses – little bitty trophies that say, yes, she did it all and maintained her ideal body weight, didn't get a single stretch mark and manages to get plenty of rest, keep the house clean while continuing to make movies, all with a Stepford smile on her face.
The media sets women up in a "don't hate me because I'm beautiful" competition that divides, conquers, keeps us silent and perpetuates the myths (lies).
Whew. I think I'm done.
Posted by Anne on 06/11/2008 at 12:15pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
For once I really agree with you. It's nobody's business but a parent's where children spend their day, as long as they're not being abused. I think the focus on Hollywood mommying is disgusting.
When I discuss the issue of possibly having a baby with my husband, I have always made it clear that I don't want to be the default caregiver–I want equal footing (with the notable exception of breastfeeding). I wouldn't tally who changes how many diapers, but I would expect that people would respect that I don't want to be the primary parent, I want to be one half of a team.
I love the term mommy porn, and I think it's a subtle tactic that's being employed by an ever-increasingly conservative MSM to convince all women to go have babies instead of working.
Posted by Kate Hutchinson on 06/11/2008 at 12:43pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
These magazines let you escape out of your daily life once a while and its the single reason why it sells so cheap. You can choose not to read the cheap stuff. Next time some one asks you about kids just look interested and ask them back if they have kids.
BTW celebrity supermom phenomena is like they credit of work done by every one else around. Use your resources while they use theirs. Calling it Mommy Porn is not going to help you.
Posted by jess on 06/11/2008 at 12:53pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I am a 23 year old woman working and pursuing my bachelors degree in Miami, FL. Although I am not a mother and have no plans on becoming one in future, I have come into contact with many women in my age range who are deeply infatuated with the ‘mommy porn’ out there. I can't tell you how many times I have been involved in conversations with women eager to become mothers and believe that the transition will be seamless in the sense that they will: take their 3 month maternity leave and then jump right back into work with no problems. I am dumbfounded by how easy they perceive motherhood to be.
In my workplace I have also witnessed people asking the women who have children and work full time “Who takes care of your children?” while not even thinking to ask the men in the office the same question. I think the equivalent stress-inducing question that women without children get asked is “When do you want to have children?” People are always astounded when I respond with “I don’t think I plan on having any children.”
I am the oldest of four siblings and two parents who are both 41 (they were 18 when they had me), so I was the third parent of the household taking on many extra responsibilities (babysitting by age 12, contributing financially, driving kids around, etc etc etc).
People often pressure me because I don’t want to have children with responses like “Oh, you're young, you will change your mind” or “Why don’t you want to experience one of gods greatest miracles: giving life to another human being?” etc etc …. I respond with a remark that usually drops their jaw and shuts them up right away: “I feel the same way about children as I do about animals: They are fun to play with, but I don’t want one of my own.”
Now, I realize that I may change my mind in the future about wanting to have children, but your post further reinforced my belief that people are entranced with an idealized fantasy of what it’s like to be a parent and those who either say they don’t like it 100% of the time, or may not even want to be a parent will be ridiculed in the public eye.
Posted by EveDragon on 06/11/2008 at 01:46pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks Penelope,
Now that I am newly single and grieving my own shredded fantasies of marriage and family with my ex, I feel totaly surrounded by Mommy Porn. All of my friends have kid blogs where they post only the best most flattering pics of themselves and their beautiful well behaved kids and it truly can get overwelming. I dont mean to sound bitter at ALL, as I am sincerely happy for them, but I do think that my generation is hell bent on not revealing much when it comes to honesty or transparency with regards to child rearing. We are all so demoralized and sick of hearing about our parents problems (boomers) that we are reluctant to admit that we are facing age old problems that everyone faces. I say we, because while I'm not married and not a mom, I think this applies to other areas of our lives as well.
While I dont think we should all wallow in only the challenges, of course, I miss celebrity moms like Roseanne, who would teach us how to make corn flake casserole and stand by their kids when they are barking like a dog in class. Maybe you are my new Roseanne :)
Anyways, I know people will read this and think I'm some angry jilted 30-something with a chip on her shoulder, but I have to say that the number and intensity of Mommy Porn sites, magazines, companies, blogs, and articles is even more overwelming when you are no where near, it puts the whole "fantasy" completely out of reach and can be pretty demoralizing.
BUT with that said, I suppose there's got to be something to be said about celebrating working moms and in general, celebrating women? Its hard to tell what is considered a step forward these days….
Posted by Dorothy on 06/11/2008 at 01:49pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
My first dose of Mommy porn was the maternity fasion magazines…pencil thin women with bellies in 4" heels and fitted clothing. I was no slob ( I swam, ran and did yoga)during my pregnancy but I did not look like them and neither did anyone else I knew.
Thanks for helping us laugh about the propaganda!
Posted by Michelle Dusauzay on 06/11/2008 at 01:51pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Great post about honesty in the media and the portrayal of the moms.
Even if jlo doesn't have a nanny I am sure that they have house staff or assistants who do the regular chores like laundry, and making food, etc which can really eat up your time. For me and my wife, those chores are the real distraction from watching our son because it takes time to do them and trying to do the chores while watching him is usually completely ineffective. God bless the kids who can just sit with a puzzle or a book and be occupied for 20 minutes while the parents do the dishes but my son isn't one of those kids.
Posted by Matt M on 06/11/2008 at 02:03pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
So Penelope, do you realize you have a habit of beginning every other sentence with "So?"
Posted by Jonathan E. on 06/11/2008 at 02:12pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks to those who sent the articles from the weekly standard and Alice Walker. I enjoyed them both thoroughly!
Kindergarchy indeed. I watch the one young child in my partner's family basically control all their decisions. On Mother's Day recently, grandma gave the little girl a present, because she said "please" so nicely when they were in the store shopping for a mother's day gift for the girl's mother.
I said to gramma, shouldn't there be at least one holiday a year that the girl doesn't think is about presents for her? Silence.
I'd like to add, that I think rampant materialism that really resurfaced in the "Greed is Good" era in the 80s is also part of the problem.
Good article Penelope, I learned a lot from you and from the posters.
Posted by Another Gal on 06/11/2008 at 02:33pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'd suggest to you, P, that the problem isn't that working people aren't being honest about the reality of the work/life "balance," it's that people like you and Emily Gould have created a world in which it's okay to look in other people's windows and report back to the rest of us about what's going on there. Day by day, post by post, you are personally dismantling the social norm to one that encourages and rewards voyeurism — by using yourself as a guinea pig and a profit center. Your business model — your brand — is based on it. The consequence of this is that people create an image of a false reality to protect themselves from criticism. Movie stars are at the forefront of this because they are the biggest trophies of the papparazi. People aren't lying: they're protecting themselves from unstoppable intrusions into private parts of their lives that were once sacrosanct.
Bloggers like you are doing what a good business does: creating demand for its product. The product is a look into your private life. And as demand for this product spills out into the market, the product gets differentiated to meet each niche — including people who don't want their private lives talked about. The investor who braced you probably has no idea that his question violated a taboo because the taboo is being undermined by … you! If you can't or won't close your drapes — and, believe me, Angelina cannot close her drapes at this point, through no fault of her own — then you have to defend yourself from criticism by presenting an unassailable image. I hesitate to say this is "lying". Angelina, like the typical businesswoman/mom, is simply pimping her brand, as you've advised her to do.
By the way, P: getting punked as you were by the investor may be uncomfortable, but it's likely to still be profitable, possibly MORE profitable. Brittney Spears' fake image of having-it-together has collapsed, to be replaced with the brutal reality of her disfunction, but it's keeping her in the spotlight and her record sales are strong as a consequence. Her brand is adapting to the market, as every good brand must. One strategy you have is to lie about your reality as a parent — like Angelina. But another strategy is to not lie — like Britney. Both are profitable. Try to move past your pain and see the profit possibilities in all this.
Posted by Dan Owen on 06/11/2008 at 02:33pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Love this post. My bookshelves are lined with books: “Spin Selling”, “Good to Great" and then in-between is “Going Back to Work”, A survival Guide for Comeback moms, winning strategies and essential information for recharging career or staring anew.
PLEASE. This screams sick. I tried to read about how to accept that i'm a worker,somebody tell me it's ok to like to work.
I love being a mom, but I love working too.
I worked, had my son, went back to work 3 months later, kicked ass.
At 19 months quit, stayed home for 2 years, almost went crazy as I planned play dates with moms who are hung up cindy’s skills and how amazing their children are.
Went back to work, all the mommies in the neighborhood didn't say congratulations on your new job, They said “why would you go back to work if you don’t have to”, they just don’t get it.
I can’t do it all but I’m happy and it appears my son is too (or so his progress report says).
Posted by Dina Medeiros on 06/11/2008 at 02:41pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I have to say this post didn't resonate with me.
I have 5 kids, from 18months to 19 years, three teens total. One in college, another about to be. Two in diapers.
I have been working full-time since my oldest was 9, the year of my divorce. Put myself through college, remarried, put him through college.
He became a Realtor (aka "unemployed") and now plays a lot of video games.
He's supposed to do laundry – I haven't seen a clean pair of undies hit my dresser drawer in weeks! I was thanking God this morning when I found a thong stuffed in a corner… 2 sizes too small, but clean.
Believe me, I would give almost anything to stay home with my babies and run my household…well, except become homeless since that's what would happen if I quit my job.
I really do like being with my kids all the time – I find the effects of my parenting become cumulative. Plus, my kids are fun, cool people in the making.
Posted by kristi on 06/11/2008 at 03:09pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think the secret to being a working mom when it comes to TV is commercial breaks and older kids.
All the dual income families I know send their kids to daycare, and when they're old enough, public school. Or Grandma pitches in. Or they have a nanny. I have yet to meet a working mom who doesn't have help. I have yet to meet a working mom who is able to balance everything. It just ain't happening.
But keep in mind that the Mommy Porn is no different from any of the other media and advertising messages we see. "Drink this beer, and you'll have parties everywhere you go." "Eat at this restaurant, and you'll have fun parties with your friends." "Buy these clothes, and you'll look hot too."
Mommy Porn is no different from Fashion Porn, Food Porn, Car Porn, or Beer Porn. It's all designed to make us wish we weren't who we were, and to solve that by buying the new product.
Posted by Erik Deckers on 06/11/2008 at 04:27pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Love the phrase "mommy porn." Never thought of it that way, but that's what porn really is–fantasy. I'm 22 and not planning on having kids anytime soon, but I'm already scared. I'm having enough issues with the work-life balance as is, and all I have is a boyfriend and a cat! Thanks for the candor, as always.
Posted by Janice on 06/11/2008 at 06:50pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Just wanted to say fantastic post, and great insightful comments! The gender inequality around expectations of parenting are so outrageous it makes me happy that I don't ever want children…
Posted by Emily on 06/11/2008 at 08:44pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Excellent post…thought-provoking and candid, as always. It's nice to hear an authentic voice about the challenges of parenting – there are so many questions and such fine lines about what is best for kids, what is best for parents, and what is best for society at large…
Posted by Stephanie on 06/11/2008 at 09:30pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Has parenting always been this hard? To me it seems obvious that adults, much as they love their children, don't want to be exclusively involved in their children's world.
I had a stay-at-home mother, but I don't remember her ever playing with or doing activites with me or my younger siblings. We were too busy playing amongst ourselves and with our friends, her involvement would have been weird. Meanwhile she was busy doing her own 'grown-up' things: socialising, household tasks, community work, shopping. She could not have told you what subjects we were doing at school, let alone helped us with homework, but whenever there was any problem – if any of us were distressed – she was straight onto it and helped us. I never doubted that she deeply loved us, but I was glad that she also had her own life and I pitied other kids whose mothers could recite all their test results and could talk of little but what Johnny was up to.
Penelope, I know this wasn't the point of your post, but the increasing normalization of over-Momming sets up unreal expectations for all parents – working or not.
Posted by budgie on 06/11/2008 at 09:32pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Interesting article. I also read part of the nyt article about women 21-30 in nyc outpacing men in terms of median wages. I did only read the first half of that– but it seemed to indicate that it only applied to the median salaries of full-time workers.
I think that is a bit skewed. I say this because a lot of times in a married family it makes more sense for the woman to stay at home with the kids when otherwise her wages wouldn't be high enough to cover child care. Where the man will generally work regardless of his salary– bringing down the male median salary.
Furthering the parenting theme, I think a lot of the women that choose to focus on their careers in nyc are those that have some degree of success to it. If a woman is at a point where she can choose career over family in her 20's, she's more likely to do that if she's more successful and thus making more; increasing the female median.
These are all just observations and don't dismiss the study. However I can't really see it as a tool for comparison against the 70s when wages were so more higher for men as a sex, and not yet something to triumph over in terms of equality. For that you'd want a study of something like comparing 100 men and women of roughly the same education in the same career roles– and see how things shape up.
Posted by blink on 06/11/2008 at 09:36pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
A great post Penelope. I think that even though we see these celebrities and the media making motherhood out to look so rosy and um clean, that moms talk to each other and are now putting it out there in the blogs (mommy bloggers) so people are really starting to get a sense of how challenging it is to be a mom and even a dad these days.
We have so many more demands on our time and women have so many more options than they once did. Which as a sidenote is part of the reason our public education system is not as strong as it was when many of us were going through public schools…the really smart, educated women had very few career choices and 'teacher' was one of them. Now they have more options.
If you haven't read Dooce, you should. She gives a pretty raw view of motherhood and working motherhood at that.
Nex time someone asks you who takes care of your kids tell them if they are so concerned about it that they are welcome to babysit. :-)
Posted by Aruni on 06/11/2008 at 10:14pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
There must be somthing in the air. I was chatting today with a female co-worker who is also a Mom on this topic as well. I did find that while on both maternity leaves over the past 6 years, I yearned to return to work. For me, I could get back to normal if I was back in the office. It was the routine of the day-to-day tasks that I needed back into my life. I feel "free" when I am at work. I call the shots. I make the daily decisions. It like I have this other personna and you know what it feels good. I hope I can be an example to my daughter that you don't have to feel guilty anymore about wanting to have it all and pulling it off. It's not easy but it is rewarding.
Posted by Chris on 06/11/2008 at 11:09pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Really interesting blog post. I have a kid and I know how difficult it is to raise even one kid (forget about 50), if he/she is naughty and mischief monger.
Posted by Sachin on 06/12/2008 at 01:58am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I loved the post. Being a mother of 10 year old twins, I, too, notice the media hype about motherhood. I especially notice Angelina Jolie and wonder what she will do when her kids are in school and have to study their state captials, complete a book report and do their math homeowrk in the same night. Here's a shock: they need help. Who will help her kids? Some things you just can't pay someone to do. Good luck Angelina.
Posted by Susan Kennedy on 06/12/2008 at 07:18am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks for the post, but a topic that you only grazed was the one where as a society we are outsourcing parenting and warehousing our kids from 8-5 so that we can "give them everything we didn't have" i.e. the big screen TV's, video games and great vacations.
I feel that these are simply excuses people use to justify to themselves not doing the hard work of parenting themselves, and I believe those children (on balance) are missing something more than their parents can buy at a store.
Personally, I'll take a parent (either Mom or Dad) at home and actively engaged along with an older TV, a ball to play with in the yard, and those road trips with the pop-up camper any day.
Please understand I'm not saying you can't have a career and kids, but the idea of balance is a fallacy.
Posted by bill martineau on 06/12/2008 at 09:49am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Since I spent a lot of time in grad school reading and researching the women/body image/advertising/media issue, this post sparked so many thoughts for me.
Why is no one researching this, for one. And if they are, why don't I know about it? Seems like just as critical a societal issue as others mentioned. Especially in the context that these celebrity mommies are so powerful in terms of how they can move family spending – because they tap into the mommy audience, who make most of the spending decisions for families. Who is selling anything these days? A celebrity (mom), that's who. Who is buying it? A mom, and from any level of the socioeonomic spectrum.
How crazy is it that the very consumeristic culture that drives families to need two parents working to keep up is driven by the very people who perpetuate this same mommy porn, this myth of balance, which hits at the very heart of women and professionals everywhere, tells us we are wrong not to be perfect, feel perfect, look perfect, etc.
We are told we can have it all, do it all, buy it all, because see, these people do it. It's just the same emotional manipulation as the images of 90-lb teen models on covers of seventeen has over teenagers, only this is aimed at adults. And I daresay, adults care about their families and their careers just as much as teen girls do about their bodies.
Posted by Tiffany Monhollon on 06/12/2008 at 10:28am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I love it, Penelope. It is true. As a mom of two with a busy career, I wish I could hear more. I told my boss he should be trained on how to manage women with kids. His wife stays at home. I try to explain that I do what he does and what his wife does. And to be honest, I want to be with my kids but I also don't mind getting away. I meet with as many women as I can with kids to see what they do and how they stay sane.
Thanks and talk more about this.
Posted by Joy on 06/12/2008 at 10:52am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Celebrities are normal people like us, granted with more money…:-), who get to be put on a pedestal by the media and ultimately us, the public who consumes the media. Of course they can not do it all and they have lots of help(nanny, stylist…). I would only know how good they are as parents if I observe them in their natural environment and talk to their children…, which is not happening! Thus I do not pay attention to the Mommy Porn or set up my values based on that.
However, I do agree it sets an unfair and absolutely fairy tale standard for other moms as media influences the us willingly or not.
I am amazed by how much celebrity crazed we are as society… I think celebrities are the new royalities, they replaced a symbol and status royalties and aristorcracy in old Europe held.
I grew up in Communist with no media or celebrity what so ever. Media only lauded the brutal dictator Ceausescu and the Communist system and we all knew it was a big lie. Thus my skeptical Romanian side, copupled with my journalism background always questions what she reads/views in the media.
I am getting married in 2 weeks and planning to have children soon and I am scared to death as how I will be able to cope with a stressful career in online media and a child. But I will figure it out as I go about it and try to look at Angelina and the likes for mere entertainment purposes!
Posted by Iuliana Calin on 06/12/2008 at 10:59am | permalink | Reply to this comment
"What’s interesting is the part where parents love their kids but don’t love being with them on a daily basis. It’s very scary to write. But I’m telling you, if the feeling weren’t ubiquitous then there would be no one to be in middle management working 9-5 because they’d all be home with their kids, doing freelance work after bedtime."
If that feeling is truly ubiquitous, then I must be a weirdo because I really do like spending time all day with my ten kids. I like it so much that instead of sending them to school, I chose to home school them so I could enjoy their company more. The thing I really don't like about staying home all day for the past 21 years is the housework.
Posted by The True Vine on 06/12/2008 at 11:08am | permalink | Reply to this comment
My wife, who raised 5 kids on her own before she met me, read this and shrugged. She said she was way too busy housing, feeding, clothing and mothering her kids while holding down 2 jobs to worry about "mommy porn". Everything that didn't directly contribute to her focus on her kids got put aside, and that included her dreams of college and other aspirations. She said she stopped believing in fairy tales and the "June Cleaver" syndrome, the day she got served divorce papers in the ICU after an accident her ex-husband was at fault for. She said that she just didn't have the time or energy to worry what other people thought of how good a mother she was, she just did what she had to, to make sure the kids were taken care of, even if it was at the expense of her health, life and sanity.
Posted by jrandom42 on 06/12/2008 at 12:18pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Obviously, this post has hit a nerve. I love the phrase "mommy porn", but it's worse than that, isn't it? It's all the different types of advertising/marketing porn – "eat this food and be slim, happy, and loved", "drink this beer and your life will be a total party", "buy this car and be admired/respected/lusted after", etc. You've coined the phrase, but I had my "aha!" moment years ago when Oprah went from fat Oprah to skinny Oprah. The marketing blitz for various Oprah-diet related products started – books from her nutrionist/personal trainer/cook are the things I remember most clearly. I remember thinking that if I only had a nutrionist who hid all my Twinkies and a cook who prepared healthy meals for me so I didn't have to go to the drive-thru and a personal trainer who followed me around and chased my lazy butt off the couch – well, I'd probably look great too! Life is so unfair! ;) We just have to learn to block out all those images that advertising tries to put into our heads. It's surprising how much simpler life becomes when you no longer feel the need to keep up with the Jonses (/insert subliminal message: they just bought a new car, you should too!/end subliminal message) ;)
Posted by Dave on 06/12/2008 at 01:12pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
The drudgery, boredom and stress of housewifery and full-time parenting was the original starting-point for 70's feminism. It's a shame that we still haven't reached a point of honesty and common-sense on these issues. There's a lot of lying, and much failure of responsiblity for ourselves and for our kids, but mostly for ourselves.
On stay-home parenting, there's no obligation and there's no single truth of the experience that applies to every mother. Some hate it, some love it, most enjoy it up to a point as long as there are limits. Most women prefer being with their babies for about the first year, even though it may well be hell, because they think the sacrifice worth it- if you want them all day long homeschooling in their teens, that's a different level of parenting most people aren't interested in.
Everybody is different. What I loathe, hate and despise more than anything is the preachy belief that I am right and everyone else is wrong, or neglectful, or making their kid unhealthy, or lying, or (insert abusive moral judgement here). Not that people don't do these things. They do. But parenting, especially mothering, really needs to clean up its community act and start acknowledging that different families have different needs and preferences, and that's fine and good.
Kids need *their* mom and *their* dad, not some clone ideal person that does things "perfectly".
The media lies. We need to teach our daughter to be critical and sceptical of the media. Hollywood is a myth. Anyone who thinks they should model themselves on Angelina Jolie is a fool.
Parenting is hard hard hard hard work. People who love that are either talented and doing it brilliantly well, or lying, or not really doing it very well and they don't care. How do we know which? We don't.
Tip for new parents: find a more experienced parent whose style *you* admire, whose family seems happy, and ask them to mentor you.
Career tips for the parenting career, please. A professional, responsible approach to this job, the same as we take to our other work. Kids are the people you love, but parenting is work. Penelope is right that it's not about puke-worthy love love love. It's hard, skilled, intense, difficult, challenging, 24/7 work. Sharing it with others is vital for most people's sanity, but making the whole picture work takes a major learning curve for most of us, especially those of us whose own parents taught them little worth modelling, who don't have a loving extended family for support etc.
(Thanks for letting me post such a long comment so late in the day. Vitally important issue, so glad you posted about it.)
Posted by Alice Bachini-Smith on 06/12/2008 at 01:31pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Being a mom is hard. I am a mostly stay at home mom of 2 young children that have no particular special needs. I have a mommy friend that has 2 special needs kids. Our families spent a year living together to try and help each other.
I think the ideal is to work a few hours a week 10 to 20 (depending on current needs), but spend the bulk of time taking care of my own home & children.
I think making it a priority to form a strong bond with your children is important.
I'm a Jesus believer. Jesus shows us a great example of relationships. He had 12 disciples. He was closest to about 4 of them. Having a handful of close relationships is really fulfilling.
It makes sense to protect the relationships of those who you live with, and those who, you were given to, as a mentor.
That said, having someone else help with your kids is not new (or bad).
The most prosperous peoples (health, happiness, above poverty) work together. That includes women at home connecting with others to get what they need, like sanity breaks or time to do work that is not child friendly.
I don't get why someone asking who helps you with your kids is offensive? Maybe I don't understand the intent of the persons who ask you.
Who thinks that superstars raise kids w/o help?
Posted by Autumn on 06/12/2008 at 03:14pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thank YOU for contributing to the myth that all women go back to work because they don't want to be with their kids. And that we all have easy alternatives and options.
Also, you're perpetuating another myth–that no one is honest about parenting. Actually, I had heard so much about puke and sleepless nights that I was suprised that I actually loved another human enough to WANT to clean up puke at 3am.
Posted by Annette on 06/12/2008 at 03:27pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I work full-time and find that I am a much better mom now. There are days when I want to play hooky from work and stay at home with my chicken. I do have a flexible and respectful work environment where I'm able to stay at home should EM fall ill.
We are lucky enough to be able to afford a live-in caregiver (nanny) and that alleviates much of the stress other working moms have – time pressures, deadlines at work and juggling day care.
I'll echo almost everyone here – parenting is hard work. I also get annoyed at media and celebs who work in collusion and propagate the myth of the glamorous hollywood mom.
Posted by Christine on 06/12/2008 at 04:43pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Fantastic post! I am a parent of three and I can relate! I enjoyed the article very much!
Mark Salinas
Posted by Mark Salinas on 06/12/2008 at 07:51pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
So that explains why I'm not a size 4 after childbirth (or for that matter, before childbirth!) I enjoyed your post Penelope.
I believe the greatest gift a mom can give herself and her family is the ability to choose. It is very freeing when you decide (not your spouse or your wallet) which path to take.
As an "older" mom (okay, so they noted I had AMA…Advanced Maternal Age Syndrome on my chart) I feel fortunate that my career was well established prior to having children and our finances were in order. I'd like to be able to say that it was all planned, but this simply was not the case.
knowing what I know now, I encourage young people to do whatever they can today to provide themselves with the ability to choose. For example, if you contemplating going back to school for your Masters degree and you are childless, I say go for it. The more choices you have the better off you will be and the happier you will be.
I have done some incredible things in my lifetime and still continue to do so. I have two beautiful children and together we have figured out what works best for our family. We reserve judgment on what others choose. Except for those size 4 mom celebs who keep showing up on daytime TV to give the rest of us fitness tips.
Posted by Roberta Matuson on 06/12/2008 at 10:22pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
nice work Ms P …. true indeed. Go see http://www.thirdontheright.blogspot.com for a slice of real australian working mum stay at home dad reality bliss I actually don't mind the mummys doing mummy porn – if I could make decent money from it I would glam up too and dress my babes in cutesy pie matching outfits …
Posted by Leanne on 06/12/2008 at 10:35pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I've got my pitchfork and torch! Who are we lynching again? Is it the magazine editor, the celeb, or the men?
The gentlemen who said that men do not subscribe to the idea that they have to be perfect or do it all was exactly right. It's simply not realistic to think that you can have it all or do it all as a man/woman or a father/mother. Just roll your eyes and maybe have a good laugh at such ideas. In the meantime be the best parent/spouse you can be. Also know yourself and do what is best for the family (this includes yourself as well. Not just your spouse and kids.) Don't let completely unrealistic crap in the media bother you. Just live in the real world instead.
Posted by Steve on 06/13/2008 at 03:17pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This posts and the comments are very telling. The post starts off nice with a critique of celebrity culture but then the rest doesn't seem to have any focus or believability. As a father of a six year old I read all the books that talked about the myths of parenting and was told by countless parents of the sleepless nights, drudgery, poo filled diapers, etc. that every existing parent tells prospective parents. The fact parenting is hard is no secret and I'm surprised you think it is.
Plus, only a couple of million people at any time watch E or read US Weekly. The other 300 million people in this country probably have a vague or little idea about Ms. Jolie-Pitt and her brood of kids.
Also, I work the normal 8-5 schedule with no travel and extremely rare weekend work. I have the perfect balance between work time and home time (as does my wife) the way it should be. Why everyone else wants to accept the high stress lifestyle…for what? You only live once (unless you are Shirley Maclaine).
And for the women who criticize men, why do you accept the behavior that you dislike? Why aren't you demanding more from the fathers of your children? I know several fathers on the street we live on who don't help out and who have little or no interaction with their children. Consequently, their boys are always at our house. And my question always is why do these women accept this? Why have children with this type of father? My wife works the same 40 hours a week I do…it makes no sense that I wouldn't be involved in running our household or helping out with our son as much as she does.
Unless tragedy or circumstance intervene, life in our country is not harsh like so much of human history is. We do not need to forage for food and shelter like most people have had to do in human history. Our "stressful" jobs are a piece of cake compared to most of the developed world so some of this parental whining seems to be a bit unseemly. And if the economics of raising a family in the US are making you stressed – higher costs for education, healthcare, energy and food -then for once vote for your economic interests.
Finally, quit blaming the media! Are you all just a bunch of lemming like robots with no critical thinking or analysis skills? You are the one making the conscious choice to allow the media into your life. I could care less about the celebrity mother du jour. If those magazines or tv shows make you feel bad as a parent – easy choice there – don't read or watch it.
Posted by Travis on 06/13/2008 at 06:34pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Reminds me of Kelly Ripa's opening monologue on SNL when a guy gets up and says and says, "You're 33, and you got 3 kids?", turns to his wife and says, "We only got 2 kids! Why can't you look like that?!"
I think you were a little harsh on the guy who asked, "What do you do with your kids?" It's out of line, but reasonable. I was wondering the same thing myself. When my wife leaves town on business, the mother-in-law steps in to pick the kids up from school and watch and feed them until I get home from work. (There's a deal with the devil, I'll tell you.)
As a parent of an adopted daughter, I get that kind of question all the time. "Is she yours? How much did she cost?" You just let it slide like water off a duck's back. People are often curious, and clueless about the point at which conversation slips over the edge to impropriety.
And ease up on Angelina. That's my future wife you're talking about.
Posted by Frank on 06/14/2008 at 10:08am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Why do our kids take a back seat to business and our egos. I will be losing my job (due to budget cuts) on July 3, 2008 (IT dept for a So Cal City), when I interview for a new job the first thing I think of is how many hours do they expect out of me and will it diminish my time with my family. If our culture would revolve around family, relationships and people instead of $$ and work, we just might have happier kids.
Relationships are a 2 way street and cannot be controlling on either side. If you cannot handle it don't get married and have children. Remember people are not experiments.
Posted by Alex on 06/16/2008 at 04:40pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, this may be an old fashioned thing to say but here is something I observed about an American friend of mine who was then married to a European and lived in Europe.
When she was travelling for work, her mother-in-law wanted to know who will look after the husband. Tired by the same questions again and again, she once said: "Well you never ask me who will look after me when he travels. Are you telling me you have raised such a useless person for a son who cannot fend for himself for 2 days?"
The point is that women overwhelmingly get asked questions related to care, childcare and household duties. Men don't.
May be your board member is right after all? And that there is no need to answer these questions as these are your private arrangements? A smile and a question whether they would ask this question if you were a man may upset some but may benefit many in the long run.
Posted by Shefaly on 06/17/2008 at 02:09am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I will never understand why people have kids only to hand them over to someone else to raise.
Posted by Rachel on 06/17/2008 at 08:24am | permalink | Reply to this comment
You bring up some great points.
I used to run a website about finding fulfillment at home, and heard so many of the stories that you refer to here: women confided to me over and over and over again about how much they love their kids but how they just can't be around them 24/7.
After tons of conversations like this, I came to the conclusion that 99% of the reason for that is the sheer isolation that people outside of the workforce face in modern America. We weren't meant to raise kids on our own little desert islands, and to attempt to do so is extremely psychologically difficult. I wrote it up here if you have any interest:
http://www.suburbanceo.com/abouthesite/mystory.php
Great post, thanks!
Posted by Jennifer (Et Tu?) on 06/17/2008 at 12:12pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Your post make me think, made me mad and made me talk about it… so kudos, that is what a post should do.
People lie about parenting all the time. They talk about the great joys and it is a great joy. But they don't recognize it is hard. And gues what, it is hard. My husband and I decided that someone would stay home full time and at some point we would switch. So, I am about to suspend a strong career to go home and raise my son.
I can think of nothing more wonderful. Will it be hard? Yes. Will it be boring? Yes. Will it be worth it? Yes. I am sure it wont be all sunshine and roses, but, neither is working all day.
I feel sad for people who don't want to be with their child all day. Maybe if they would have spent more time raising them, they would like them a little more
Posted by Tracey Parsons on 06/17/2008 at 12:46pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
While it may get some people's panties in a wad, I'll be first to say I love the phrase "mommy porn" and think it is an excellent description of what so many people are after today.
You can't have it all. You CAN have balance. There is a difference between the two. Big difference.
What is funny is that I find the religious crowd craves "mommy porn" more than any other sphere. It is odd.
Posted by TheNormalMiddle on 06/17/2008 at 04:23pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Why mommy porn? Why not mommy idealism or mommy unrealistic freaking expectations or …
So okay, mommy porn is easier to say and connotes the same meaning.
Posted by Dale on 06/17/2008 at 05:52pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
So who does take care of your kids?
Posted by Jo on 06/18/2008 at 10:54am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Wow Rachel, Jo and others. You epitomize the another side of the spectrum to the supermom/mommy porn. Those who think "good moms" can only be the ones who spend ALL their time with their children. Why does having a job automatically mean someone else is raising your children? Are you planning to stay at home and home school your children until they are 18? So is every parent who sends their child to school at age 5-6, letting someone else "raise their children"?
At what point is it ok to let your child spend substantial time with another adult who is not their parent? The babysitter, daycare worker or school teacher won't take my child to the doctor when they are sick, attend their ball games or get up in the middle of the night to scare away the boogeyman. They won't be the ones whom my children run to show off their painting or crafts they made at school/daycare etc for approval. I don't believe that you have to be with your child 24/7 to raise them. It just depends on how big an impact you make with those hours after work, on vacation, on the weekends.
This hits close to home b/c my husband and I are trying for our first and I'm fortunate to have the option to either stay at home or work. I still want to work even though I won't need it financially. I don't think that makes me a bad woman, potential mother or person.
Posted by Dara on 06/18/2008 at 12:54pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Dara,
You are 100% correct. Given that most children are in school until 2:30, and that most children in afterschool programs do the same things as other kids with stay at home moms do at that time (Do homework or play with friends), this dogma of the 24/7 Stay at Home Mom is absolutely bogus.
And as Freakonomics illustrated, it is more the environment a child grows up (loving, educated, healthy parents) then whether or not one parent stays at home that makes a difference in a child's success.
Plus, I'm tired of working class or middle class parents, who have to work, having their situation devalued. Those men and women are no more bad parents then women who stay at home are always good parents. And if you are an overly dogmatic, rigid person; it can be argued that increased exposure of that type of personality is probably more harmful then being exposed to various adults with different temperaments.
Also, a great deal of the world has housekeepers and nanny's (because costs are cheaper) and after traveling around; I can tell you the kids in other countries are so much more sophisticated and less insular in their worldview than their US counterparts.
Finally, this notion we have always been a culture with stay at home moms illustraes a complete ignorance of history. Until after WWII, most children didn't attend school past 8th grade and usually had to work to support the family. The Golden era of stay at home Moms was the 50's and 60's and just look at the literature and popular media to see how stultifying an existence so many people thought that was.
Posted by Travis on 06/18/2008 at 03:56pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Actually I think it is worse than you describe because you are only touch a part of it. In 1992, when our oldest child was in first grade we decided to homeschool our children, and we are within two years of having completed that cycle with our third child. There were multiple reasons for doing so, one being, more time with the kids than less. As the father, my role in that was minimal. My wife had the talent for it, I did not. IOur teaching styles would conflict, and the kids didn't need that. Our kids have done well under her tutelage. Our oldest son just graduated from college as a Phi Beta Kappa. So, it is working for us.
When my oldest son joined Boy Scouts, I ended up the scoutmaster for his troop. Think: small entrepreneurial business staff by all volunteers. I ran it for seven years. What I saw is the other side of what you describe. Where celebrities have trophy children, other parents treat their children in a different way. There is no concept of child development. Only child activity. Fill their time up with activity and something may stick. If a family can't afford the nanny, then the scout troop, or the ball team, or the dance class becomes the nanny. The kids are dumped at the activity, and the parents leave. There is no parent-child interaction except some lame reporting function in the car on the way home.
You are right raising children is a lot of work. It creates conflicts beyond the career ones. It forces the professional to make choices about their values. What I have found is that as I engaged my children more in real human interaction, not simply filling their days with activities, that I became better at my work. It was a conscious choice to follow the path that we have. It was out choice, and we and our children have benefited from it.
Posted by Ed Brenegar on 06/19/2008 at 03:17am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Awesome post. Loved your response to Kevin.
Posted by Laura on 06/19/2008 at 09:27am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Eve, I love this comment. It’s so true. I gave a speech today, and having read your comment beforehand changed how I spoke. The way we talk about the trappings of adulthood is absurd. We promise each other so much, as if it’s coming, as if things will be easy. And it’s all so hard. I go out in the world, and I can’t believe how dishonest things are. And I come back to this community and feel lucky that there is a common understanding among us that what we’ve been sold is not working. Thanks for reminding me that this post applies to a lot more than being a mom.
-Penelope"
You are welcome! Its one thing I tell the young 20 somethings that are especially stressed out. That much of what you are upset about may be because someone told you it, and it was a Myth!!
Posted by Eve on 06/20/2008 at 10:05am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I am very interested in attachment parenting, and in the process of learning more about it, read The Continuum Concept by Jean Liedloff. She spent some time with the Yequana Indians in South America in the '70s. She noted that the kids seemed happy and sane and actually listened to the adults most of the time. The babies didn't even cry much. And what struck me was that you didn't see the social isolation of mothers the way you do in this culture. At the same time, they didn't leave their children with strangers. The whole community saw children as their responsibility and everybody kind of kept an eye out for the kids.
I swear, the current setup in our culture of completely separating work from home is not good for kids or for anyone, really.
And I *do* like being with my child. No, I don't like it when she misbehaves or constantly demands my attention. I suppose I could argue that I wouldn't like that in adults either, but *she is not an adult.* I think that's where a lot of parents in this culture fall short, assuming kids are just miniature adults and expecting them to behave accordingly. It has led to, from an evolutionary perspective, some pretty bizarre parenting practices and some fairly miserable kids.
I think the rich folks who hire nannies are closer to what works than isolated middle-class nuclear moms are. They've got that extra pair of hands or two to help with the kids, and not just from 8 to 6 when the daycare's open, either. If hubby bothered working at home they could trade off, but I guess most men have other priorities. (Those of you who actually help with your kids, and as more than a token gesture? That is exactly what you should do. I'd thank you, but I shouldn't have to thank people for doing the right thing.) And two people still aren't quite enough. Kids need a *community,* and so do adults. Maybe bringing back some version of the extended family would not be a bad thing.
Posted by Dana on 06/22/2008 at 09:46pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
great post. :)
and you might wanna think about paging your comments. xD
Posted by Jenny on 06/22/2008 at 10:44pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
While I have little to no respect for the vast majority of pop star/fashion/millionaire 'babes' there are a few who have made a serious commitment to their children including stopping their careers or putting them on hold for a few years to actually look after their kids, others who have basically said 'got my millions, now I'm gonna take care of my kids'.
Not all of these 'super' stars are bad parents to my mind in most cases it is a situation where the sheep are leading the sheep – 'Oh, darling, you MUST have a nanny', 'bottle feeding is the way to go, you don't want to ruin your figure', et al.
Good post, enjoyed the other comments too.
Posted by Milander on 07/04/2008 at 04:52am | permalink | Reply to this comment
David, well-put. Why is it, no matter how simple or straight-forward, the truth isn't good enough anymore? Journalism is emulating sensationalism: exaggerate until it has a negative twist. If the person explains: say they bragged; if they smile: change it to smirk. I seemed ok about Jolie (no worship nor hate), until an entertainment reporter compared her with Mother Teresa! Now I must remind myself who said it, that Jolie's not promoting herself (not that way.. I think).. The media found that button alright; I resent it… Now on to Jennifer Lopez and Marc Anthony. (Btw, I liked her second husband and Hated bennifer. Ok, enough – back to 2008) Some in the press are making this harder than it is (and now they got me – I care!): When asked if they had a nanny, they said they hadn't hired another nanny for their twins since the last sometime that spring. Lopez still isn't filming or recording yet. Other parents try to go on a "date" for an evening too. I guess if there's no "nanny", (press il-logic)it means that couple can never go out? Time for common sense: not everyone wants or has a nanny. In NY, Jennifer and Marc live near family, relatives, friends. So, here's the POINT: *Jenn and Marc don’t need nannies when they have friends and family traveling with them. They have more trust in them than leaving their babies with some strangers. ;)
I feel better now.
Posted by GabrielaM on 07/04/2008 at 07:35pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Oh this post made me laugh out loud. Even just the title. It reminded me of years of reading and posting on AOL message boards about parenting and the infamous "to work or not to work" debate, and the overwhelming feeling that a huge number of these women were full of it when it came to what they said about the kind of parents they were. People aren't always truthful about parenting because they want to appear to be the "bestest mommy ever." I got over that years ago. I just want to survive it with my sanity intact.
Thanks for the great post!
Posted by Becca on 07/09/2008 at 01:42am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I value reading your posts often…Are you going to blogher 08 in san fran? hope to meet you sometime soon…happy bloggin' :) Tre ~
Posted by Tre~ on 07/09/2008 at 09:17pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I enjoyed reading your blog, but I guess I'm not the type of woman that enjoys reading these magazines celebs appear on. I don't even watch TV (I rather much watch movies). I stay away from gossip blogs too.
So what I am basically saying is that I don't know how these celeb mom's look like or what exactly 'mommy porn' is. I just know that I am not trying to be like anyone. I had already set reasonable goals and expectations before I became a mother. I'm 24 now and I have a beautiful baby. I wish I could do everything under the sun for my new baby girl, but even with the so called time most people think a homemaker would have I just don't have enough of it.
Posted by Jennie on 07/13/2008 at 03:53pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Wow Penolope,
Just heard an interview you did and had to check out your Blog. I'm thoroughly impressed and am learning a lot as I'm about to start one myself. This topic is fascinating and I can tell you that on either side of this elephant all of our observers will just not find complete satisfaction. It largely matters how close our family comes to finding it however.
I am a Mompreneur that has found a rewarding measure of balance. I am also confronted daily with whether or not my 3 year old is in pre-school. Amazingly this is prompted by comments about how articulate she is, as though the logical explanation is that this results from a large group setting somehow. They often identify that while they have made another choice their child could not possibly do what mine does. I have not chosen to raise her for the purpose of engaging in this intellectual comparison game, but find that this is a major preoccupation for a lot of parents. I have chosen to follow her lead and my family’s heart. I hear a number of your posts here indicating that they could never do what those who have support are able to do. It is very healthy to reevaluate whether or not our outcomes are working for us, in the same way we would do in revisiting a strategic business plan. We tweak is as we go to produce an optimal outcome long-term. We parent imperfectly but powerfully when we choose to. I appreciate the confirmation that it is our right to choose. And if our family in inspired as a result we are most likely on the right track. But if they are not flourishing it may be time to pull that strategic plan out one more time. Thanks for making me think about why I have intentionally designed my life this way, and in the meantime…
Believe well!
Adelaide Zindler, B.S., Fp
The E-School Coach
Posted by Adelaide Zindler, B.S., Fp The E-School Coach on 07/23/2008 at 05:38pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
We're brainwashed. I love calling it Mommy Porn. People, InTouch and all those other mags peddle it like pimps. I couldn't agree with you more!
In fact I am the author of a post that pissed many a mom off entitled 10 Reasons I Hate My Kids. http://www.momlogic.com/2008/06/why_i_hate_my_kids.php
Posted by Erin on 07/23/2008 at 11:36pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
While I do agree with *most* of your post… I take a lot of offense that women who choose to go to work do not love being at home with their children all day. I did stay home with both of mine, because it was easier, and I could. Then I worked 9 to 5 when my youngest was old enough to be weaned. Not because I didn't love being at home, but because it made the most sense. I made more, and hubby CHOSE to be the at home parent. He loves it. I now work from home full time, so I can be both.
Some women work out of necessity to keep food on the table. Some women do work because they prefer it to all day parenting of their kids. Do not assume we do not love our children, because you will encounter some extremely irate women.
Posted by Junebug on 08/04/2008 at 01:08pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Mommie Porn – no kidding, we're supposed to be perfect moms with perfect kids making perfect meals with perfect makeup. In a miniskirt.
Posted by cchiovitti on 08/05/2008 at 12:22am | permalink | Reply to this comment
That is THE most refreshing thing I've read since I got sucked into the blog world!
Posted by Aimee on 09/13/2008 at 06:59pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
On the subject of Mommy Porn (and ugh…I saw the Jennifer Lopez picture), what I really want to know is how many of these 40ish first time celebrity moms are aborting Down Syndrome kids? Are we to believe that the genetic abnormality just never visits them because they are so beautiful and popular? Or is this precisely why none wants to tell news of their pregnancy until after the first trimester?
Parenting is hard, but one gets acclimated. I even home school 3 girls! It is, after all, a great privilege, honor and delight if–like anything else–you work hard everyday to build the kind of work environment that you want.
Posted by Grafted Branch@Restoring the Years on 09/14/2008 at 12:11am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Why mommy porn? Why not mommy idealism or mommy unrealistic freaking expectations or …
So okay, mommy porn is easier to say and connotes the same meaning.
Posted by onufer on 10/20/2008 at 05:37am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I enjoyed reading your blog, but I guess I'm not the type of woman that enjoys reading these magazines celebs appear on. I don't even watch TV (I rather much watch movies). I stay away from gossip blogs too.
So what I am basically saying is that I don't know how these celeb mom's look like or what exactly 'mommy porn' is. I just know that I am not trying to be like anyone. I had already set reasonable goals and expectations before I became a mother. I'm 24 now and I have a beautiful baby. I wish I could do everything under the sun for my new baby girl, but even with the so called time most people think a homemaker would have I just don't have enough of it.
Posted by chicks on 11/21/2008 at 08:31am | permalink | Reply to this comment
As a part-time (or 'shared care') parent, I completely agree with your comment that it is hard to write about loving your kids but not loving being with them ALL the time. I strive to do this, as I think it is important to inspire and to reassure other parents who also experience difficulties, as well as the joys. Thank you for doing this so well.
Posted by Anna Colette (aka Part Mummy Part Me) on 11/24/2008 at 10:08am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I've got my pitchfork and torch! Who are we lynching again? Is it the magazine editor, the celeb, or the men?
The gentlemen who said that men do not subscribe to the idea that they have to be perfect or do it all was exactly right. It's simply not realistic to think that you can have it all or do it all as a man/woman or a father/mother. Just roll your eyes and maybe have a good laugh at such ideas. In the meantime be the best parent/spouse you can be. Also know yourself and do what is best for the family (this includes yourself as well. Not just your spouse and kids.) Don't let completely unrealistic crap in the media bother you. Just live in the real world instead.
Posted by top-post.ru on 12/03/2008 at 03:46am | permalink | Reply to this comment
As someone who has made the choice not to have kids, I have to say that the part that actually bothers me the most is that so many mothers I know talk about of both sides of their mouth:
On one hand, they are stressed, lonely at home, and unhappily doing the lion's share of the domestic work while their husband's lifestyle seems to have barely changed at all and they feel completely unable to say anything to most people for fear of being judged.
Only to then have them do the same to those of us who do not want to have kids, pointing out that life is incomplete without them and implying that we are somehow deluding ourselves that a life without kids is even worth living.
I think the most insidious thing about "Mommy Porn" isn't so much that mothers eat it up, it's that even knowing that it's total crap, they still try to spoon feed it to the rest of us.
Posted by Alora on 01/17/2009 at 10:23pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I totally agree with what you are talking about. You see these celebrities all the time on the television, or in the magazines with their children; smiling and looking like it is so easy to raise children, especially when they do have a lot of help. I have 2 children of my own and I can honestly say that I would rather be at a job because you are right it is easier to deal with other people then children. Don't get me wrong I love my children with all my heart and would do anything for them, but i am home with them on a daily basis and sometimes I just wish I had an outside job.mothers at home
Posted by Shannon on 02/19/2009 at 09:06pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'll tell you what, raising kids is one of the hardest things you will ever do. It also is probably one of the best things that ever happens to you, aside from getting married to your lifelong (hopefully) love.
Watching them grow up and deal with failure and success all at once and finally see them become the best of best at what they do, fulfilling their destinies is probably the best thing that can ever happen.
You'll see, and at that moment you'll be so proud you'll wonder what else your kids could accomplish.
Posted by Suzie Harfnan on 03/20/2009 at 07:29am | permalink | Reply to this comment
parenting should not be for everyone…..i saw today i mother probably not even 23 years old, feeding her crying baby in a restaurant and not even touching the poor child, she was feeding the poor thing while it was seating on the high chair and she was on her phone
Posted by mr luggage on 06/07/2009 at 08:51pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Amen, Penelope….and I just love that term "mommy porn". It's GREAT!
Posted by mysticaltyger on 02/09/2010 at 07:48pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Frankly, I think the world would be a better place if everyone worked part-time (regardless of their parent status).
Posted by MLM Training on 03/02/2010 at 08:41pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Mommy Porn. Love it!
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Posted by wedding photographer swansea on 03/12/2010 at 10:17am | permalink | Reply to this comment
there's a lot of truth to this, but i have to say that i don't think that "People are scared to admit that they would rather be at work than with their kids, because work is easier than parenting" in every case. i think a lot of people go back to work because they HAVE to and if given the choice would rather be at home with them.
Posted by amcclaran on 03/16/2010 at 09:28pm | permalink | Reply to this comment