It's hard to underestimate the impact of good social skills on your career. In fact, across the board, in a wide variety of businesses, people would rather work with someone who is likeable and incompetent than with someone who is skilled and obnoxious, said Tiziana Casciaro, professor at Harvard Business School, whom I spoke to on the phone. "How we value competence changes depending on whether we like someone or not." And people who lack social competence end up looking like they lack other competencies, too.
When it comes to holding down a job, social skills matter today more than ever. For people who want to break into a popular field like entertainment, for example, the only way to differentiate yourself at the bottom is to be likeable.
Many fields that used to be havens for loners, like programming, increasingly require exceptional people skills. "The jobs that are staying in the United States are those that require regular touch, face-to-face contact with clients or a manager," says Erran Carmel, chair of the Information Technology department at American University. The people landing those jobs have great social skills because of the difficulty of "managing teams that are distributed across cultures."
And as the need for social skills at work grows, the bar for good social skills gets higher. Until the 1970s, a smart child uninterested in playground politics was considered eccentric but okay. Since the 1980s, educators see the playground as essential training for the future, and kids who can't navigate are often sent to experts for extra help with social skills.
"Today a variety of therapeutic approaches can teach a child social skills while their brain is still forming," says Amy Berkman, a therapist working with New York schools. "Therapies we're using now, like cranial sacral and sensory integration did not enter the mainstream until twenty years ago." The result is that each year, those entering the workforce come in with a better likeability factor than the year before.
Most of us have to work at being likeable. Fortunately, Casciaro's research shows that the biggest impediment to likeability is not caring. So if you "just decide you want to do better," you probably will.
Take responsibility for yourself," says executive coach Susan Hodgkinson. "Everyone needs to know that they are responsible for creating healthy, productive relationships at work." No one is going to make you likeable. "The people who are likeable actually care about other people and care about the connections they make."
Being good at talking to people requires that you figure out what interests them. Casciaro recommends a tactical approach: "Find the hook that makes your similarities more visible. For example I might meet a man in his 60s and I'm a woman in my 30s but we both like basketball."
Also, figure out how to help someone else get what they need. "Recognize what you're trying to get done and who you are trying to get it done with. Then think beyond your own stuff to what the other people want," advises Hodgkinson. Think of this as project management synergy, or resume empathy; you need to help others reach their goals. This will make you more likeable and then more likely to reach your own.
And, don't discount flattery. "Usually the reason we like someone is because we think they like us," says Casciaro. It's the rule of prom-dates: He was ugly until he asked you to prom, and now he doesn't look so bad. Since there is no prom at the office, to make someone feel liked, Casciaro suggests, "smiling and listening to make someone feel liked." "But it's not a personality popularity contest," Hodgkinson says, "you need to stay true to yourself while still expending empathy in order to connect."
It's hard to do, but Casciaro says that people are much more likely to notice an increase in your likeability factor than an increase in your skills. So next time you consider areas for self-improvement, choose interpersonal coaching over office skills and you'll likely get more bang for your buck.









Isn't it disturbing that people need coaching in this? I just make sure I say hello to our security guard at the door each morning and I say thank you to Ramone (I even asked his name) when he empties the trash in my office each day. It's the simple things that our parents taught us like "Say please and thank you" that seem to make the difference.
Maybe I should become a interpersonal relations coach!
Posted by Benjamin Strong on 07/18/2006 at 10:34am | permalink | Reply to this comment
isnt it disturbing that u could think like that, and post a comment like this! Im glad to see u that u have nailed the character trait of being a pampas jerk down, way to go!!!! u obviously never had any kind of social disorder, for those of us that aren't perfect like yourself, social skill can be a very difficult task to conquer. And can be a very frustrating experience. And very upsetting to the person that is affected by these disorders. Oh and im glad u asked him for his name, that will get u a nice little golden halo in heaven some day. and before u become a interpersonal relations person try to get over yourself and maybe deflate your head a little.
Posted by jon on 12/10/2008 at 02:50pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I totally agree with the other person who responded to this. Benjamin, perhaps your social skills aren't as great as you think. You have managed to upset total strangers with a comment.
Posted by Maya on 01/13/2009 at 08:12pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Whoa go Benjamin =D, i'm glad you made the response to that first comment, man that person was so egotistical and arrogant it was just pathetic.
Posted by Jane Donaldson on 01/11/2010 at 06:57am | permalink | Reply to this comment
"people would rather work with someone who is likeable and incompetent than with someone who is skilled and obnoxious"
This is a sore topic for me. :(
I am naturally a pretty shy person, and many people that I've worked with or attended school with have mistaken shy for surly. It's only after people get to know me better that I open up and become more friendly/chatty/outgoing. I've tried to improve this over the years, but it's hard for me to act like that around people that I don't know well.
The problem came to a head a couple years ago when I was promoted to a supervisor in my dept. The oil quickly seperated from the water and I found out that a lot of people there really disliked me, for reasons I could not pinpoint (beyond they had a bad impression of me because I'm not a gregarious person; I'd never done anything to purposely be "mean" or "unfair" to anyone!). It made it very difficult for me to do my job supervising these people because they had zero respect for me as a superviser, and less as a person. I tried very hard to do my job well and impress my boss, but other supervisors who were doing a worse job than me were better liked and respected by the other employees, and were able to accomplish tasks more easily. It was very frustrating, because I hadn't taken the job to make friends, but I certainly hadn't taken it to make enemies! I had to leave ASAP.
Now, I'm fearful to attempt a manager-style position again because I'm worried that the same thing will happen again.
Penelope, you mentioned in an earlier post about how you think you're the kind of boss that everyone likes working for. How did you simultaneously cultivate likability and respect? How can you make your boss happy while making your subordinates happy, too? Obviously, your boss should take the cake, but if you lose your likability/respect with your subordinates, it will be more difficult to make your boss happy.
Posted by Diana on 07/18/2006 at 11:13am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Diana, thank you for sharing your story. Your post is a good lesson for everyone about how important it is to be likeable if you are going to manage other people.
Great managers connect in an authentic way with each person they manage and with their boss. In this way, a manager can help each person get what they need. It is very hard to make that connection if you are shy.
Shy people should ask themselves if they are genuinely interested in other people on many different levels. Some people are not that interested, and that's okay. But in order to connect with peole you manage you have to truly be interested in them — enough to want to help them figure out what they want and how to get it.
Diana, if you really, really want to manage people, and you really want to learn to connect, then I think you can. It'll take a lot of work, though.
Read some books about making friends (Dale Carnegie, Sonia Hamlin) and about managing yourself around other people (Roger Ailes – You are the Message)
But also, not everyone needs to be a manager. There are ways to have thriving, interesting careers without managing other people. Don't rule that out.
Posted by Penelope Trunk on 07/19/2006 at 12:19am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Comment better late than never:
My toddler daughter seemed to be developing extreme tendencies of shyness so I read the book "The Shy Child," by Philip Zimbardo. His idea that struck me most was that shyness is a form of self-centeredness.
The shy person is unable to take focus off herself: always feeling insecure, wondering how others perceive her, worried about not knowing what to say…me, me, me.
To combat this, the shy person should turn her focus to others. Her thoughts should be: What can I do to make my coworker feel better? What is interesting about my coworker that I should get know? How can I go out of my way to show my coworker I respect her?
The shy person needs to recognize she isn't the only one that feels insecure…we all do at times. And we all need stroking. She needs to think of others and reach out to them.
I read that book for my daughter almost 30 years ago. Today she is outgoing, successful, and very much not shy.
Posted by sL on 11/25/2009 at 07:20am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thank you for your article. I read it with interest. The importance of social skills do play an important role in the workplace, but I must say that competence is far more important.
With respect to your comment " When it comes to holding down a job, social skills matter today more than ever."
Well this is true but it results in a not so healthy attitude. This is the kind of attitude that has turned American schools into a popularity pageants and Americans into uncompetitive dolts in the world economy. While in graduate school, I met many foreign students who could barely speak English. This limited their opportunities for social interactions in the school with more "socially adept" Americans. However, their performance, even in a foreign environment using a non-native tongue, far surpassed their native-speaking counterparts. Quite frankly, I would rather have my children be more competent than they are popular. While I am not disparaging fitting in with the group, but often popularity becomes a trap, feeding one's ego and vanity until one becomes so afraid or beholden to "fitting in" that s/he trades off the pursuit of truth and knowledge in order to fit in with the group.
Being liked is one thing, but not nearly as important as competence. often it's a "one or the other" tradeoff. Americans naturally do not like someone who is more competent than they are, and groups maintain a dynamic that discourages individual performance above the rest.
This is jealousy, a human reaction and extremely prevalent in groups. It is like a virus, feeding and spreading throughout a group and becoming a barrier to high performance. However, my foreign friends have come from a culture that has a spirit of cooperation that pushes their group to cooperate and excel rather than those Americans who undermine and stifle each other's performance.
So the answer is simple. When it comes to the worklife, competence is more important than popularity, and is a must in order to maintain our competitive stance.
Posted by CT on 07/20/2006 at 05:49am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think the crux of your post is when you write, "Well this is true, it results in a not so healthy attitude."
Your email is sort of a social criticism — what you wish for our society. And I'm sure you're not alone in wishing for a world where social skills were not so highly valued.
But in our reality social skills are highly valued. So if you want to succeed today, you need social skills.
I think a lot of people justify their bad social skills by saying that society shouldn't value them so much. But even a social critic will do better in work and life if he or she has good social skills.
Posted by Penelope Trunk on 07/23/2006 at 07:01pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think you can get by if your social skills are not the best as long as you work in a place with people you gel with. In my case I have terrible social skills. I do not get along with most people that I work with, but there are several people that I have always gotten along with very well. At times I wish that I only worked with those people that I get along with. I understand I could work on my social skills to get along with a wider variety of personalities, but to me I would feel fake. At this point in my life it is more important to me that I be myself.
Posted by Josh on 08/11/2006 at 09:49pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
"people would rather work with someone who is likeable and incompetent than with someone who is skilled and obnoxious" This has been me most of my life. Only now am I seeing myself from the outside in and learning. You are becoming a good source for these lessons. Thank you.
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This is such an important comment. It should remind us all how incredibly difficult it is to see ourselves from the outside, but also how important it is. The real changes come in this way, I think. But I have found, for myself, that this is the hardest stuff to face.
-Penelope
Posted by paul on 01/21/2007 at 11:13pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, I've been reading your blog for sometime now, and I felt the need to reply that you left Dale Carnegie out of this post. Then I saw that you had posted it one of your comments here. :)
I have read many books on self-help and psychiatry, and I think that book is the best one of all. I can say, without exaggeration, that "How to Win Friends and Influence People" changed my life. It's probably had more positive effects on my life than any other book I've ever read. And I've read the book a lot, at least 20 times or more.
I will certainly check out the other books you've mentioned in that same vein. I have not seen you mention Dale Carnegie specifically in any of your posts, but I've only probably read half of the ones you've made total, so I may not have seen if if you have.
Since I'm already replying, I also wanted to say it's awesome that you respond to blog replies. I think this puts your way ahead of the curve in blogging and very few other bloggers I read do so. It makes it obvious that this blog is not just an exercise in narcissm (as some blogs are), but a reflection of your earnest ability to listen and understand others.
And remember, Dale Carnegie says it's not flattery if you mean it! (I saw you mentioned flattery in your post.)
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Hi, Dave. Thank you for saying that you like that I respond to comments, because for every comment I respond to I feel like I let a really good one slip by.That said, I am not letting you slip :)
The Dale Carnegie book is great, (though I'm partial to Keith Ferrazzi for the same topic). But I just want to clarify that neither author is useful to someone with autism. Carnegie and Ferrazzi teach you to use the skills you were born with. People with autism don't have those skills.
-Penelope
Posted by Dave on 01/22/2007 at 05:22pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, I just happened to read your blog. I was let go from my company for the issue you just mentioned. I didn’t realize until now, how important is to be liked at work and, how competence unfortunately falls in to a second category.
At my last job as you mentioned before, I had worked like a horse leaving me with not much time to socialize perhaps, I put myself in that position because, I am a very shy person who finds very hard to make conversation.
Been fired over social issues is very traumatic, and I have changed myself one hundred degrees to the idea, that at my next position what would matter to me the most, will be my social circle than the pile of papers at my desk.
Posted by Sara on 06/01/2007 at 08:41am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I Do Realize That People In The Workplace Would Rather Have Co-workers That They Get Along With Than To Have Someone On The Team Who Is "Unfriendly" or Shy. But To Go As Far As To Say That "People Would Rather Work With Someone Who Is Likeable and Incompetent Rather Than With Someone Who Is Skilled And Obnoxious" Is Beyond My Comprehension. Most People In The Workplace Do Not Really Care For Their Jobs. So To Expect Alacrity From Employees Is A Stretch. But If Someone Is Shy And Does What Is Required Of Them At Their Job, Then Just Let Them Be Shy. If Co-workers Aren't Getting Their Egos Stroked By A Certain Member Of The "Team", And The Team Seeks To Have The "Non-friendly" Member Removed. That Just Shows The Insecurity Of The "Team". Not The Shy Loner.
Posted by sammy davis on 06/01/2007 at 11:12am | permalink | Reply to this comment
CT's comments are spot the mark, IF we want to have a better std of living in the future.
Unfortunately, PT's response is also on the mark. ("… in our reality social skills are highly valued. So if you want to succeed today, you need social skills.") As testimony I know I have been let go because I was not social enough, (ie, socializing in the ofc, and/or drinking or partying after work), prefering to get things done and having accomplished more than those that remained.
I find incompetence in the workplace repulsive, regardless if the colleague is warm, friendly and empathetic. Apparently I wrongly assumed that we are paid to get a job done. This is no longer the case. Social ties are the "ties that bind".
So how does CT's comments fit in? Re-read the conditional clause. Our society no longer feels it is important to achieve higher stds of living. We have achieved Nirvana; unfortunately, we have been there and are now headed backwards. Today's thirty-somethings have a lower std of living than their fathers. (See recent WSJ article). And this trend will continue until society changes its values.
It is very sad commentary that as a society we find it more important to have good social skills, than to be competent. This will only continue to diminish our std of living. We will complain about our failed policies, about the high cost of healthcare, gasoline, … and fail to see that it is of our own (un)doing. But we will enjoy it, because we are likable.
As I look back, it now makes sense. Our educational stds have plummented. HS is no longer a place for education, but rather for socialization (ie. learning how to socialize). Witness how poorly our HS students do in international comparisons. We require 12, and soon 14 yrs of education once pre-K is mandatory, to be at the bottom of the top 30 industialized countries; and they achieve this in 10 yrs. A few yrs back I saw a HS principal on a "news show" brag that imparting knowledge in the classroom was no longer important. He was proud however of the social skills that his students have learned in the student commons. If that's all these students know (social skills), is it a surprise that this is what they value? People like people who think like themselves (see referenced HBR article).
My objective in life is to maximize the talents/abilities that have been bestowed upon me in order to make a better place for my kids and grandkids. (That must sound really trite to those 30-somethings.) And that takes effort, which is seen as unsocial. However this drive to achieve, learned in school, is what yields accomplishments, increased productivity and in turn a higher std of living. (ECON 101 … Oops I forgot. Nobody studies this anymore; it's too difficult and offers no redeeming social skills.)
We will continue to see our std of living erode, and more quickly as the dollar continues its slide, until society changes its values. At least we can take comfort in the fact that we will be likable, as we huddle in the dark under the no longer used freeway overpass. (Guilty as charged of sarcasm.)
Posted by working nerd on 06/01/2007 at 08:32pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hi Penelope, I've just started a new job and I have to say within a week I've become your biggest fan! Thank you so much for providing real wisdom and clarity to the 21st century workplace. With your advice I've smoothly transitioned into my job. I know you must have a busy schedule, but would you ever be able to answer/give advice over email? If so, I'd love to be able to chat w/ you and get advice! I think everyone who reads your blog will have much more success in their jobs/careers! Thanks:)
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Hi, Jess. I can answer quick, specific questions via email. I also do coaching on the phone based on an hourly fee.
Penelope
Posted by jess on 06/13/2007 at 10:24pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I enjoy your blog very much. I am a manager in a state organization. As far as social skills go, I am pretty high on the scale, as far as I can tell from feedback. But the jist of it truly is caring. If you care about others you will usually care about how well you are performing in your own job as well. There are people here who appear to have good social skills but aren't good on follow-through. I privately (at home!)refer to them as mere schmoozers.
Posted by Sifi M on 08/28/2007 at 07:18pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
I like this article very much. I work in Silicon Valley and I continue to marvel at the observation that the people who are creating new technological paradigms for communication are actually the least able to communicate in person-to-person interactions!
BTW, I read your articles with great interest even though I have been in job market for 25 years. Many of your articles have an X or a Y bent (Gen X, Gen Y that is), but they still are quite relevant to me because your topics focus more on skills for a new workplace than on skills for a particular type of person in that workplace. Thanks, Dan
Posted by Dan Geiger on 11/23/2007 at 06:27pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
The assumption that people aren't likeable because they don't really care about other people is inaccurate. I care about people but I'm not likeable. I was a runt of a child and teased mercilessly and beat up by bullies. I learned to be quiet to avoid being noticed. I feared people and on some level still do. I fear not fitting in and I fear making social blunders like forgetting names. I take criticism about my personality very hard. Some people think I'm a snob because I'm quiet, some say I'm too goofy, others think I'm too serious, but they all have an opinion and it's almost never complimentary. My latest criticism is the daily comments by my boss that I don't smile enough or show enthusiasm. The fact is I'm a good person and I care very very much about other people. I'd like to have friends and feel like someone cares about me. But more than that, I'd like people to stop criticizing me.
Posted by Beth on 01/01/2008 at 04:10am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Personal example from my own career: I've been the quiet type, going about doing my job with little notice and only occasional interaction with other people. I got replaced as a senior network engineer at a major company, by a very likeable, but totally technically incompetent idiot. He had no clue at all what to do when the company lost its data in a fire (caused by his shutting down the air conditioning in the server room), mainly because he never had to deal with anything remotely like it, because everyone else was covering for him.
By this time, I had another job with a company I really liked, and my former employer called me to oversee their data restoration and bring their business back on line. As tempting as it was to tell them to stuff their problem back into my replacement's in basket, I outlined a plan and set my rates accordingly. I offered them the choice of letting my successor do the job from my broad outline or letting me do it my way at my rates. They chose to pay me to come in as a consultant and do the job, and even paid a 20% bonus when I finished the job 2 weeks early.
I may not have been likeable, but guess who got the house, car and vacation in Hawaii paid for by their former employer?
Likeability only extends as far as when it comes into conflict of getting things done right.
Posted by jrandom42 on 01/07/2008 at 07:36pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I disagree that most of us have to work at being likeable. Unless we are horrible human beings to begin with, that is.
I find that the majority of people have to stop caring whether people like them. It is then that they suddenly become the most popular person in the office.
Posted by klein on 01/17/2008 at 11:46am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Maybe yall can help me. I have recently taken the job of activities in a nursing home. And I replaced a girl that wasnt doing her job to benifit the residents. The nurses and the CNAS are hateful to me and actually have belittled me infront of residents. I have tried to make friends with these people. They just are so hateful that I dont understand how they can be around these people and be like that.
any suggestions are welcomed. Thanks a milllion
Posted by Amanda on 02/11/2008 at 01:37am | permalink | Reply to this comment
My feet smell really bad.
Posted by Jose Ayayaya Jr. on 03/28/2008 at 07:08pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I too disagree with the association of likeability and care for others. I find that more and more, in order to be liked you only have to conform to others' expectations and be just what they want you to be, which 99% of the time means "to be like them".
I care very much about others, to the point that I deeply respect their peculiarities and differences. As I expect the same from them, I get the cold shoulder in return, because I refuse to stifle my personality.
This ever-growing trend towards conformity and superficiality is a big social problem, and the type of advice being given here and at most career counselling services does not help.
Posted by Christian_R on 09/29/2008 at 09:36am | permalink | Reply to this comment
"I'm actually distrustful of very social people. "
Now see, I am going into a technical profession and I face prejudice from people like you…and you know what? I had to learn my social skills, as I was born Ms. Analytical…and, even though I am a very nice person, I have to put up with attitude from people like you…why don't you look at your attitude? When you assume I am stupid/incompetent because I "appear" outgoing, you are guilty of what you charge.
BTW, I am the parent to a child with autism, so don't think I am not sympathetic/empathetic to the challenges faced by those who lack social skills even though they desperately want them.
Posted by Chaimirija on 03/19/2009 at 02:02pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
To Chaimirija, I apologize if my post offended you. I wish you the best with your son. After reading my post, I do see how I could come across as a bit of a jerk. I only meant to share part of my life which was actually quite painful. I don't think that came across as well I intended here.
I said that I was "distrustful" of very social people because, FOR ME, it's hard to tell when they're being sincere. Charm can hide a great deal of a person's true intentions.
I should add that I probably feel this distrust because growing up I was abused, teased and tormented by social people. My shyness was no match for the quick witted socially adept bullies. Believe me, I don't want to make anyone feel bad in any way. That was not my intention.
Posted by fluffytail on 03/19/2009 at 05:11pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Actually, I think I owe you an apology for jumping on you. I just feel bad the way I am treated sometimes, even though I know why. I even said on an interview that I accept everyone for the way they are—unless they are mean. Some of the ways I have found you can tell the good from the bad are: 1) see if they are nosy, and 2) see if they trash anyone else. Oh, and see if they are users, as in they are super nice if they think you'll do their work for 'em. Act stupid and then see how friendly they are. The most popular boy in my son's class not only singles him out, he gets his little followers to jump in on it. Well, they got suspended for a little prank on Friday. But, he doesn't know who to trust now, so he doesn't trust anyone his own age. Only adults.
One way I got over the pain of being teased (and quite frankly tormented) is I always call offenders out on their behavior. I think it is safe to say, a bully is usually weak, and 90% of the time they will back down. The other 10%, well, you can find yourself in a confrontation. This happened to me twice as a kid, and both times I won. With words. I absolutely DESPISE bullies. That is why I don't like it when someone assumes I am one. And, you don't have to get into an arguemnt with a bully to get your point across. You just have to be super confident around them. And super friendly. Stand tall, always, and look 'em in the eye. I swear, they are like demons and live off of fear. If they happen to be nuts, and keep at it to gain control, soon enough they'll hang themselves. Workplaces are getting fed up because bullies sap productivity.
Don't let those what happened when you were younger crush your trust. Then they win. It makes me sad that you feel badly still, but, boy, do I understand. Just be open-minded with everyone you meet. Some of us are now super empathetic due to our experiences.
Posted by Chaimirija on 2009-03-20 19:52:18 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
I was the kid in the playground who had a hard time socializing.
At 4 years old, I spent more time analyzing other people than anything else.I didn't know how to socialize with other children.I couldn't approach them. they all seemed to be entertained and fascinated by things that I thought were boring and mundane. I used to think,how is it that that toy can keep that kid entertained? Or why do kids who draw outside of the lines get praised for creating such a big mess? I couldn't understand how they were oblivious to so many things.I spent most of my thinking, not socializing.
So you're right in saying that being social is a skill. It's NOT easy for people. Some of us just aren't born with it.
In my case,I probably couldn't connect with the kids because I was too busy having deep thoughts to be pushing a plastic shape through a box. I didn't think that others thougt about the same stuff, since they were fascinated with everything,so I isolated myself.
I cared about people and wanted friends,I just didn't know how to approach them.needless to say,I was unpopular with everyone-teachers and students.I suffered a lot for this.
I think it's sad that the world punishes people like me. People are more impressed by the wrapper than what's inside.little do people know that the that social person will give a you a compliment but I would give you ALL of my self, if you needed it.
I will say this though. I have a manager who hires people based on how much she likes them and not much else. She's been there 5 years and she's slowly been replacing old competent staff with "song and dance" people (that's what I call them).Basically she's trusting and giving responsibility and praise to the wrong people. The result, those people have been underperforming and she hasn't met her goals lately.she may be looking for a new job soon.
I should also note that people like me aren't impressed by "song and dance." I want to see results. I'm actually distrustful of very social people. I'm not fooled by flattery or manners.I'm sure I'm not alone on this.there are managers, like me, who are impervious to flashing personalities.So it kind of negates some of this. I find it hard to believe thay only socially adept people are given raises and put in charge,regardless of ability.
Posted by fluffy tail on 12/13/2008 at 12:24pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Bless you fluffy tail. i am right there with you about being shy, analytical and competent. sometimes the "e" people (extroverts) forget that the whole world isn't an "e."
i just think the more homogenizing we do to our culture the more we loose as a whole. different is what causes creativity. not being the same.
so shy people…ROCK ON!
Posted by Figaro's Folly on 12/18/2008 at 05:12pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thank you, Figaro's Folly. It does feel good to know I'm not alone.:):)
Posted by fluffy tail on 01/20/2009 at 06:19pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Came to this a bit late in the day, but here's my tuppence worth;
Diana, your post being the first on the shyness subject, I address this to you, but may be useful to everyone.
You describe your own situation pretty much the same as I would describe mine.
I too am mistaken often for the surly non gregarious person I am not, but I am working on that after finding an article about Introvert Personalities; it isn't something bad or wrong, it's just different. I found it enlightening
Posted by trainbaler on 02/15/2009 at 07:18pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, while this is a really interesting and encouraging to know, I see people with so-called social skills but are mostly fake. And I see these people get ahead in the company for this fakeness.
I like to believe that I am honest, kind and fair although I am not the most sociable person around. But it seems that the old adage "good girls finish last" is true, much to my frustration. In fact, I was told more than once that I am "too friendly" for a job (read: you are too nice and kind and you need balls of steel to work in this company).
Posted by MJ on 03/18/2009 at 09:47am | permalink | Reply to this comment
There is a good book on this subject:
How To Make People Like You in 90 Seconds or Less.
Mike
Posted by Mike Mirzamani on 08/10/2009 at 01:50pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
this subject hits real close to home. my experience has been that todays society will openly discriminate against those are not social butterflys.
many quiet people i have met are very intelligent but are relegated to either jobs that bear the responsibility without the benefits, (thats ok, they don't like to be in the lime light anyway…..right?) or are given tedious jobs UNTIL the make or break assignment comes up and NO ONE wants to take the heat if it fails. so who do they call? the quiet bright guy but the boss gets the credit when it succeeds. seen that before.
also because many quiet people are intelligent, the bosses who got their positions by politics (it just shows they know how to use…i'm sorry manage their assets) are nervous around bright people who could make them look bad and or see right through them.
one thing about leaders who are social butterflys is they have a tremendous fear that someone will see through them and figure out there is no substance.
this article is sad in that it tries to justify a discriminatory policy set up by those whose only asset is to placate weak peoples egos. one poster is correct…we are supposed to be at work to produce…you know why america became the strongest nation in the world? just like we're supposed to be in school to learn….oh, sorry.
sorry about getting keyed up, but this shallow argument about likability is more important to competency is like saying i would rather have a friendly doctor who made me feel good about myself but didn't know diddly to a grumpy old doctor who never missed a diagnosis. jesus, its not like i'm gonna spend weekends with the doc drinking. why do i care if he is a grump?
Posted by i'm with you on 09/22/2009 at 03:32pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
wonderful insight
Posted by chaimirija on 09/25/2009 at 09:02am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think this is a great article as it pinpoints the fact that what makes life and work enjoyable and fun and interesting is the social interactions we have in them. And that if we feel down and blue and bored it can be cause we get too wired up in gaining technical knowledge to do all by ourselves and thinking we have to be perfect to be loveable… and then getting bitter and bitchy from the feeling of loneliness and marginality and the overwhelming magnitude of mastering IT ALL… instead of getting to know our true strengths and abilities and look around for someone to work with that we can create real-time real-life synergy effects with.
it is not about fake. it is funk.
Posted by Mariane on 09/26/2009 at 08:54am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Humans are social animals, we only survived because of our ablity to work with each other and in order to do that is to be liked.
The same thing a shy person looses out on in life, is the same thing that the company looses out on by having a shy person around.
Being outgoing and social is the most valuable skill a person can have in life, work, love…. everything. In fact for most of the time humans were on this earth (perhaps including now) if you couldn't fit in you were killed, or starved..
so now we have invented these private spaces were someone can live cut off from everyone, not happy, but they can survive, its not normal, its sad.
I am both people here, people loved me when i was young, i have a endless imagination, funny, smart…, but i was small so people picked on me, i am not serious about school so the good kids looked down on me.
Now that i am old, people are mad if they see me meeting new people,having fun, dancing crazy, still considering myself any artist even though i kind of suck, stuff like that.
Basicly i figure people should be nice to everyone that hasn't did anything really bad and forgive them for there faults, the only people i hate is people with this high moral compass of there own can be a hippy or a upper class yuppie, that judge others for just going with life and being themselves.
Someone was pointing out standards of living of americans now and before and people from around the world being "bettery", well i am Canadian first off, i will tell you what propelled the Americans (and Canuks) is our abilty to not only work hard but to play and to make jokes, and to make music, and to attempt big things,and to be Social !
If you want to see how screwed up a overworked, boring, antisocial, unfriendly enviroment is , just go sample the middle east, or parts of asia, or even France !
If the standard of life is going down, its because it was too high, to wasteful and we live on a limited planet with only so much resources to waste (and thats shameful to me to waste) and its going down because people are snobby, uptight, scared, in fear and have never grown up to face themself and get over themself,
If a company wants to do good in this day in age, it has to have people that say hello, if a city wants to stay save it has to be fun and social, if the human race wants to survive we have to get along, be nice to each other, don't judge people buy there outside, and most of all, give it a shot, accept that friend are more important than all the riches in the world.
You can come to where i live and you can buy a property for 1/2 a million, or you could come here and make friends and be offered a rental at less then the property taxes, by a property and get everyone distances, you life will suck, be social and giving, you will have endless parties, boat trips, people will bring you smoked salmon and fresh pot they grew in the yard… its big difference.
Anyone with any smarts will see how important it is to be social and liked.
Posted by jimbo on 09/26/2009 at 12:22pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
ps, i am not that well liked, i am very critical, i have a big mouth, a chip on shoulder, i am lazy, i get lucky in my finances and spoiled in many ways, things i don't really even think i deserve. But i am very nice, i will listen and help anyone, i will give my shirt of my back, i want to help everyone, i will stroke you ego if thats what you need at that time..
But many people seem to hate me at 1st meeting, i make a bad 1st impression, people will say, "when i meet you i thought you had no substance, now your my faviourte person" (someone said this to me and it was crushing.
"sorry about getting keyed up, but this shallow argument about likability is more important to competency is like saying i would rather have a friendly doctor who made me feel good about myself but didn't know diddly to a grumpy old doctor who never missed a diagnosis"
I guess for a surgery you wouldn't care, but for a family doctor you need to communicate, my family doctor i grew up with was such a nice guy, funny nice, the kind of guy you could tell at 13 you were smoking and he could tell you whats wrong with it, no problem, never scared of needles with him stuff like that, then we got this old fart that scared the heck out of our whole family, my sister refused to see him so we switced doctors.
the bottom line is in life the best most useful people, the ones that have created a high standard of living, are able to do what needs to be done, and if it works or not, they smile and the work with others well,
So both things are important, if someone is not able to work in a social setting there are useless regardless of their skill set. If someone is social they will learn to do what needs to be done, people will be happy to help, and to "fit in" they will learn to get the job done right. they are a better person to have on your team.
The worst type is smartass that ignores everyone and can't get along, they need to be canned.
Posted by jimbo on 09/26/2009 at 12:38pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
zoinks I had a dreary remark and it didn't post for my incompetance:-]
I'm just saying, most socially incompetent are plain normal people made who they are by our society. up until the 60's at least, Social skills were always seen as something frivolous people worked on, and serious decent people just made sure they "did" the right thing and were confident on being judged by their actions not social skills. (i'm from working stock of you didn't notice) Now in Jerry Springer USA the socially appealing are ascendant. This won't last but the damage which we are already seeing will.
As for the application of social skills to work environments it makes some sense to be socially skilled, but as an unskilled person I have always encountered social skills in the form of manipulation and abuse of those the skilled one looked down on or feared because they sensed their own inferiority.
Many like me lack social skills because of how or where we grew up. There are things done to children that affect them for their whole lives, effects that cannot be changed or avoided by positive thinking or knowledge. Perfectly normal people who would be like anyone else sans the harmful event.
Yet we can be taught as adults if we find a teacher, how to function with others and even how to have the power to get from others what we want just like those who get things from us do.
but where oh where is this teacher for me? :-] seriously where?
Posted by memememe on 10/14/2009 at 09:35pm | permalink | Reply to this comment