Do you belong in NYC? Take the test

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More than 80% of young people say they want to live in New York City, according to Time Out New York. I can understand that. I lived there for seven years. Of course, NYC is amazing. But I have also lived for about ten years each in Chicago, LA, and Boston. And now I live in Madison, WI. And I can tell you with certainty that anywhere you live requires you to give up some things.

NYC has the most extreme benefits to it, but it also requires the most extreme concessions in order to get those benefits. This makes sense. It’s how most of life is. So in order to understand how good a fit you’d be in NYC, you don’t need to look at the benefits — we all want the benefits of NYC. What you need to look at is what you give up.

Here are three questions to ask yourself. You need to answer yes to at least two before you start researching movers in New York.

1. Are you a maximizer?

Optimizers are people who are always looking for the best of everything. You know if you are this kind of person because you are never complacent. You are always trying to find if there is something better. It could be a someone who cuts bangs better, a better pickup basketball game, you keep trading up boyfriends, maximizers are always looking for something better, and they usually get greatness in their lives in many aspects. Non-maximizers can be satisfied with what they have. Each of us falls somewhere on this spectrum. New Yorkers skew heavily to strong maximizers.

This is because you can find pretty much the best of everything in NYC. (Yes, maybe there are some things, like the best ski slope, that you cannot find there, but if that’s what you want most, you probably shouldn’t be in NYC.)

I know you have heard that NYC is expensive. But you will never really know how insanely expensive it is until you live there.It’s like having children. Everyone will tell you having kids is really, really hard. Harder than anything they’ve ever done. And everyone will also say that after all those warnings, they still were not prepared for how hard it was when the baby came. This is what money is like in NYC — you absolutely cannot imagine how expensive it is there until you are there, living day to day.

So New Yorkers constantly have to ask themselves: What am I paying so much for? What am I suffering so much for? Life in NYC is very hard (here’s funny commentary on that), and if you go to any city in the US, there is a bond that ex-New Yorkers have because they know they each understand how hard life was.

I say this to tell you that the only way to justify the cost and hardship of NYC is because you’re an optimizer. You appreciate having access to the best of things. Not everything — you probably have a few things that are really important to you. And you’re willing to trade off a lot of comforts to get it.

2. Do you want to be at the top of your field (or marry someone like that)?

In many cases, people have to work in NYC in order to rise to the top in their field. (Or, they want to marry someone like this — NYC is a very competitive place to find a husband but only because women recognize that the pickings are superior: Maximizing knows no bounds.)

Wanting to be at the top of your field is not for everyone. Business Week reports that eighty percent of generation Y thinks they are in the top ten percent of all workers. So a bunch of you are overestimating your capabilities, right? But the truth is that NYC is very, very competitive, because it’s a magnet for ambitious, strong performers, and if you are not in the top, you will probably not do very well there. So if you do not go to NYC thinking you will work your way to the top of your field, you probably don’t need to be going there for your work.

And, of course, you do not necessarily have to live in NYC to work in NYC, but in order to get a substantially lower cost of living, you would have to move pretty far from the city. This is why New York has the longest commute times of anywhere in the country. This is a fine line to walk, though, because long commutes do a lot of damage to one’s ability to be happy. So you are probably better off paying to high price to live closer to work if you want to get to the top of your field.

3. Do you value an interesting life over happy life?

New Yorkers are not known for being happy. In fact, they are known for being unhappy, and they don’t care.

On balance, New Yorkers understand that most people who are happy are complacent — they like the status quo. And people who like what they have do not do innovative things to change the world. They like the world just fine how it is. This is probably why 95% of New Yorkers voted democrat in the last presidential election. Republicans are typically happier with their lives than democrats. And most New Yorkers are maximizers, and maximizers are almost never happy.

New Yorkers think an interesting life is more important than a happy life. What you really pay for with the exorbitant cost of living and the hard lifestyle is to be surrounded by strong performers, huge ambitions, and constant need for change and innovation. To live in New York City, you have to trade happiness for this. To most New Yorkers, it’s a no-brainer. They would take that trade any day. To most people outside of New York City the trade-off is crazy.

Hat tip: Time Out New York

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  1. Bob Dylan
    Bob Dylan says:

    This article is the most ignorant block of English i have ever wasted my time reading.. your retarded and should probably go to a school not located in new York city

  2. Tomas
    Tomas says:

    Ok, i was thinking to come in NYC, but my bad english (i’m italian) and your truly description make me unconfident to do it… Maybe, in a few times, if you want u can meet me in California where there is less of competition! And if i understand i am a really optimizer i’ll transfer to NYC (that, at the moment, is on my mind and in my heart!)….

  3. Siekdl
    Siekdl says:

    This is the most willy nilly ridiculous hogwash i have ever heard in my entire time on this planet Earth. If anyone reads this and moves to New York based off of it, please take your head (very gently), and decapitate it. 

  4. Siekdl
    Siekdl says:

    This is the most willy nilly ridiculous hogwash i have ever heard in my entire time on this planet Earth. If anyone reads this and moves to New York based off of it, please take your head (very gently), and decapitate it. 

  5. George Arenas Castro
    George Arenas Castro says:

    Great, I’m from southern California but I’m moving to New York for college. I heard its a great place, and if God lets me I will settle a life there… 

  6. George Arenas Castro
    George Arenas Castro says:

    Great, I’m from southern California but I’m moving to New York for college. I heard its a great place, and if God lets me I will settle a life there… 

  7. Joe
    Joe says:

    Young Americans are so strange. Millions of immigrants in NYC make it one of the most interesting cities on the planet. Not one of them moved there because of “Sex in the City itis” and they’re probably not quaffing $100 bottles of wine and artisanal cuisine, nor are they looking to be at the top of their “field.”

  8. NYorker
    NYorker says:

    I have to disagree with the statement that New Yorkers are not happy, I’ve been living here for 8 years and I am a pretty happy person, life is good… I don’t think that we have more unhappy people then other places.. maybe the fact that we are always in a hurry is taken for rudeness (unhappiness)…

  9. Anon
    Anon says:

    I would say I’m an optimizer but to say an optimizer can’t also be happy is silly. Satisfaction and happiness are two different things. I may always search for something bigger and better but that doesn’t mean I’m not happy with what I now have. I’m sure there are all kinds of people in NYC…some love it, some hate it.

  10. Cate
    Cate says:

    I lived in NYC on and off for several years. Loved it at first before it lost its creative edge and charm. Had some high powered, glam jobs here with celebs and glam parties. But the whole time I was plotting ways to leave, yet it was very hard to do so. Despite the perks of NYC, I always thought the city was overhyped, because around me I saw dirt, traffic, construction, and quite a bit of ugliness. My life was apartment-subway-office-subway-gym-apartment; or as I called it, “box to tube to box to tube to treadmill to box”. And if you go to the burbs you have car/mall culture.

    Relationships in NYC are questionable. The city is not conducive to “romance”. You also have to beware of whom you date here, and don’t fall for appearances.

    I’m sure living here can be very nice, and I’ve enjoyed it sometimes. But in this day and age it’s better if you start out with supportive connections and money so you can live well here. Otherwise, I do like the Village and Soho, and there is some remnant of “artsiness” there compared to the rest of the city (despite the corporate takeover of Manhattan). But everyone wants to live there now…

    I grew up in Europe, and I prefer to live in London or Paris, which are more balanced in terms of lifestyle.

  11. Theodore Karabetsos Jr.
    Theodore Karabetsos Jr. says:

    Urban is urban. I haven’t been to Chicago or L.A., but I could imagine; after spending 4 years in NYC, it’s probably just like a different name, geographically located in another elevation. Is that what people like? I dunno. Alot of’em say they love New York, or at least, the shirt says so “I love New York”.
    Mine faded. Now I’m stuck with the I.D. card that singles me out to the haters. I’m I a hater myself?
    I’m having a subway flashback of holding the dirty bar, not sitting for 35 minutes and looking at the people that seem to make that an everyday thing.
    Ok, I’m back in my car in Pennsylvania, big home, but no hype. What you see is what you get. But whaddo I care, I didn’t have the money to enjoy NYC anyway. It was just a look-fest of watching everyelse who had the big dough to go out, look good and smile with friends.
    NYC is merciless to those who it lets stay there in poverty. Pick up and leave. Better to go out and take risks elsewhere. How many people actually succeed in their professions in NYC anyway, out of 8 million people, it’s probably liking winning the lottery anyway. Unless, ofcourse, you think or know you’re better.
    Well, I’m just normal, and will settle upstate or else where. Off to the real world of affordable housing, driving cars, and actually not being constantly observant of the lifestyles of the pricks and famous…

  12. Marie
    Marie says:

    Did you have another post in which you elaborated on why dating is better in cities other than NYC, DC, etc.? I am searching for it and can’t find it!!! Thanks!

    • Penelope Trunk
      Penelope Trunk says:

      Check out Richard Florida’s writing. He breaks down each city by the type of dating you are likely to get there. For example, NYC is great for getting highly desirable men, but the competition is fierce. San Francisco is great for getting nerdy guys, and the male/female ratio stacks way in favor of the woman.

      Penelope

  13. Genean
    Genean says:

    Thank you for this post, Penelope! It’s helped me to define why I have not returned to live in NYC after 3 very ambitious attempts. I can confidently admit that I don’t possess the same drive that I witnessed from people who seemed to thrive there. I also don’t care to be at the top in my field, but I do desire to be EXCELLENT at what I do. I can live anywhere and do that…preferably somewhere where I don’t have to charge the rats for rent. :-)

  14. Alex Hutchins
    Alex Hutchins says:

    Thanks for the inspiring article. This article only made me want to live and work in NYC (manhattan) even more. I want to be at the top of my field, have the best of everything, and be innovative. Though only in 10th grade, eventually I want to be in some corporate office in a NYC office creating a better world.

  15. Elisabeth
    Elisabeth says:

    Its like you read my mind! You appear to
    know so much about this, like you wrote the book in
    it or something. I think that you can do with some pics to drive the message home
    a bit, but instead of that, this is wonderful blog.
    A fantastic read. I’ll definitely be back.

    Elisabeth

  16. Helena
    Helena says:

    I am Brazilian, living in Vancouver, Canada, visited NYC for the first time last year. In the 24h that preceded my trip i was trembling by the thought of the weight of such apple! Almost scared! And boy, ive been travelling…The surprise? I found a warm and welcoming city, polite and smiley people keeping it real all the time!! Love you NY! Wish to see you again soon <3

  17. Dave
    Dave says:

    I lived in the city for 10 years. I did the whole New York thing.
    Never got rich but came out good. Took courses, recorded a
    Record, played in a band. After I left I couldn’t wind down.
    Living in the city teaches you to be alert to subtle things that can become problems. The pace was fast but I could keep pace. The nice
    thing is there is an understanding when things slow down and don’t go well. My bosses always cut slack for the unexpected. It was easy to pick up work. Bosses saw talent and put you to work. I made all my
    freinds there. I can bitch about the crowds, the prices and other
    Issues but in the end the city accepted me and awarded me for my efforts. I went up to Canada and nothing worked out. That is another meaningless short story. Treated badly at work and looking for work. Up here it like every person applying is the right person except me.

  18. Dave
    Dave says:

    I forgot to mention NYC is open to all people workstyles and lifestyles. There are a very few other places where you can can pursue an interest that doesn’t clash with cultural norms. The
    biggest plus you a measure by what you are and your goals. The thing that NYC doesn’t tolerate is laziness. People dress well.
    In many places you need to own a house and a vehicle before you are recognized. Leaving the city I felt like a fish out of water.

    • Angela
      Angela says:

      You are so right Dave! I lived in Boston and it was great but after awhile I began to hate it because you have to fit into the cultural norms too precisely. Most people who really enjoy Boston fit into its cookie cutter stereotypes. I ran as fast as I could to NYC. Not saying that Boston is terrible, its just way too one dimensional, like a lot of other cities. NYC accepts everyone!

  19. Ty
    Ty says:

    I am unhappy every day, constantly surrounded by people who live the same lives with no change. This is why I want to move to New York. So wouldn’t the move make me happy? Rather than it being me living an interesting life but staying unhappy, wouldn’t it be me living an interesting life but finding happiness? Because it’s a change, it’s something more.

    • Angela
      Angela says:

      That’s why you gotta get out there explore. You won’t know if it will make you happy until you try. You know you hate your boring routine life so leave it and explore your options. Trust me, you’ll be glad you did.

  20. Angela
    Angela says:

    The only thing I didn’t like about this article was the happy statement. Being happy doesn’t automatically make you complacent. I’m absolutely 100% a maximizer! I’m freakously ambitious, I get bored easily, I move and talk fast and I’m always looking for the next exciting and interesting thing. However, I am very happy! I think the word you were looking for is satisfied. We are never satisfied and we are always looking for more. You can very well be happy in your quest for more…as in, happy with anticipation and happy that you got this far. So I’m happy where I am now but I can’t wait to get even further. Although I am never satisfied, I am still very happy. Those two worlds can sometimes coexist. Every unsatisfied person is not miserable.

  21. Amna
    Amna says:

    I was born and raised in Brooklyn and have lived here my whole life. I’m 15 years old. Now people may say that because I’m from the city I think this but l think that people from NYC like me are open minded not rude. There is a difference. Secondly, for me I don’t think life moves fast, maybe because I have been born and raised into the culture but I find that NYC life is the only life that is best for me. My family didn’t have money growing up, we are from a low-middle class family and still are and we have been able to mangage very well with the expense. Manhattan is the borough where prices are ridiculous but other than that the Bronx, Queens, Staten Island, and Brooklyn are ok. I’m always hanging out with friends and family all the time, as well as meeting new people and personalities and I would say that you shouldn’t assume unless you’ve lived here for at least 1 year.

    • Susan
      Susan says:

      “I am 15 years old”

      “the Bronx, Queens, Staten Island, and Brooklyn are ok.”

      ROFLMAOROFLMAOROFLMAO^^^This says it all.

      I’d also bet the teenager has never traveled much either. What would she know is the norm elsewhere?

      Speaking of hypocrites and clueless people, how *is* PT and her non-hipster farmer boyfriend doing in rural Wisconsin?

  22. dave
    dave says:

    I lived in NYC. I appreciate the 24 hour public transit. I’m in Texas. Its all big houses and SUVS. My favorite city is Boston. All those schools and educated people. I’m surrounded by methheads and cactus. Mexico has more class than this dust bowl.

  23. Larry
    Larry says:

    As a retired Canadian man, if I could, I would move to New York in a heartbeat. When I graduated from high school, my goal was to go to Parsons School of Design but money dashed that hope. Yet, I still dream of living and working as an artist in NYC.

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