5 Time management tricks I learned from years of hating Tim Ferriss

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I have hated Tim Ferriss for a long time. I have hated him since we both had editors at Crown Publishing who sat next to each other and I heard how difficult he is.

I didn’t blog about it because first of all, I’m sure the buzz about me is that I’m difficult, too. And also, his book, The 4-Hour Workweek, was a bestseller and mine wasn’t. So I figured people would say that I’m jealous. And really, what author is not jealous sometimes? I mean, every author wants to write a bestseller.

But at this point, two years later, my hatred goes way beyond jealousy. My hatred is more selfless than that. And while I do understand that Tim is great at accelerated learning, the time management tips I have learned from him stem from the energy I have spent hating him:

1.Don’t hang out with people who don’t respect your time
This all started at SXSW conference in 2007, right before Tim’s book came out, when he was promoting the hell out of it to bloggers. Of course, this was not a bad idea, and to be fair, Tim was brilliant to start this book marketing trend. But that is beside the point. He approached me after my panel and said, “Can I get you coffee? I’d love to talk with you.”

I said, “Uh. No. I have plans.”

And he asked who with.

I wasn’t really sure. I knew there were cool people to hang out with after my panel, though, and I knew he wasn’t one of them. I gave a vague answer.

He said he was also meeting three people, and he name-dropped them. I can’t remember who they were. But they were fun, interesting, and I wanted to have coffee with them. So I said okay.

Then Tim couldn’t find them and I had coffee with only Tim.

Then I realized this was his strategy all along.

I told myself not to be pissy. I told myself bait-and-switch is the oldest sales tool in the world, and it’s my fault for falling for it.

I even wrote a blog post that included his book.

2.Cut to the chase: Tell people who are full of sh*t that they’re full of sh*t
When his book came out, there were vacuous, annoying comments all over my blog directing people to his book. Like, “The topic of priorities is an interesting one. I like how Tim Ferris handles that in his new book,blah blah” and then there’s a link to the book.

At this point I knew Tim, sort of. And I called him on his phone and told him to tell his employees to stop spamming my blog.

First he implied it was his fan base and he had little control.

I said that I thought he was full of sh*t.

He said he’d make sure there were no more comments like that on my blog.

3.Self-centered people are more likely to waste your time
Really, when I found he was spamming my site, I didn’t call him first. First, I emailed him. And I got some sort of crazy response about how he is only checking email twice a day and then instructions on what to do.

I emailed him back to tell him that I do not want automatic emails from him every time I try to contact him.

Which generated another, identical response about how he doesn’t check mail.

So I called him to tell him that he is generating spam back to me to tell me about his email checking and I don’t care. If he wants to check twice a day, fine, but don’t clog my in box with emails about it.

He said he’d take me off his list.

I am STILL getting this sort of spam from him. But the scope has widened. For example, now, he has commented on my blog and he forgot to say that he doesn’t want to be alerted to new comments. So every time there’s a comment, he spams everyone in the comments string, telling them that he doesn’t answer his email.

It’s insane. I cannot believe how many automated announcements I receive saying that Tim does not have a Blackberry. (Yes, the email really says that.) What if we all sent automated emails like that? Email would be totally nonfunctional. What if Tim just shut up about his email and if he thinks its fine to answer twice a day, then he should do that? And not spam everyone about it.

4.Productivity is about meeting your goals, not getting out of doing work
The week that Tim actually works a four-hour work week will be a cold week in hell. Tim got to where he is by being an insanely hard worker. I don’t know anyone who worked harder at promoting a book than he did. But the thing is, he didn’t call it work. Somehow, sliming me into having coffee with him to talk about his book is not work.

Fine. But then his four-hour work week is merely semantic. Because everything Tim does he turns into what the rest of us would call work, and he calls it not-work. For example, tango. If you want to be world-record holder, it’s work. It’s your job to be special at dancing the tango. That’s your big goal that you’re working toward. How you earn money is probably just a day job. So most weeks Tim probably has a 100-hour workweek. It’s just that he’s doing things he likes, so he lies to you and says he only works four hours. He defines work only as doing what you don’t like.

It’s childish. It’s a childish, semantic game. And it reminds me of him winning the Chinese National Kickboxing Championships by leveraging a little-known rule that people are disqualified if they stop outside the box. So he pushed each of his opponents outside the box to win.

He is winning the I-work-less-than-you game with a similarly questionable method: semantics.

5.Time management is about making time to connect with people
The idea of time management only matters in relation to how important the stuff is that’s competing for your time. The stuff that makes time management the most difficult is relationships. Which Tim does not excel in.

Fine. Not everyone has to be good at making real connections.

But Tim runs around telling people who have lots of relationships competing for their time how to think about work/not work, forgetting that in the real world, where people are not assholes, time management is not an equation or a semantic game because relationships really matter. And figuring out how to judge time in terms of competing values is the hardest thing of all.

Tim is all about time management for achievement and winning. But there are not trophies or measurements for relationships. There is only that feeling that someone is kind. And good. And truly connected.

And Tim is not.

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  1. Rilla
    Rilla says:

    Someone may have suggested this already, but I’d filter all of his auto-response emails straight into trash.

    I have no idea who this Ferris fellow is and I’m online a LOT, so his marketing isn’t that great. ;)

  2. Funny
    Funny says:

    I see this is old but I did laugh a little bit. Thanks.
    It’s odd his sign is in Cancer. I would peg him as a Sagittarius or an Aquarius.
    Meh, anyway. That was kinda funny.

  3. Peter
    Peter says:

    I hope you are not still holding a resentment. They are time wasters and the ongoing ill will is exhausting and guess what-Tin “wins.” It’s a poor use of time and to blog your rant doesn’t cast a positive light on you-you come off as a petulant child. Meanwhile Tim is going on about his business and pays you no mind. I would return the gesture. Don’t talk about him verbally or online, don’t complain to him, banish him from your life and mind. Why should you care what he does and how he does it? Really he’s accomplished a lot, semantics or not. I’m much of a fan of his either, so I’ve already spent too much of my precious life energy talking about him. I’m going to spend some time reading your blog. My two cents and thanks for the forum to give it. :)

  4. Richie
    Richie says:

    i consider Tim “a canary in the coal mine” basically there were philosophers during the Roman empire who sat around pointing their finger,while Rome burned, today we call them bloggers. Corporate America employs many of the “shortcuts” outlined in Tim’s book. Consider it a wake up call. Jobs are leaving this country. Nowadays people sit around at desks and stare at screens all day producing absolutely nothing. All books are based on opinion, whether fiction, non-fiction or science. Opinions are like A-holes everybody’s got one, and everybody thinks everybody else’s stinks. Britan went much the same route, the government took over the auto industry in England. The government broke up Range Rover and Jaguar etc and sold them off to American car companies.Sound familiar ? The economic system in America is operating like an inverted pyramid scheme, how long will that last ? Obama Care, or whatever you want to call it, is going to tax everyone in this country. What amazes me is the way the divide and conquer game still works. The democratic system smoke screen blinds us to the fact that this country is really run by corporate shortcut makers and takers. Thank you Tim !

  5. Krista
    Krista says:

    Amen. I have hated Tim Ferriss and thought he was bullshit since I first read Four Hour Work Week. “Yes” on posting this.

  6. James
    James says:

    As much as I do agree with much of what you said, the bashing is unnecessary… it just makes it look as though you’re speaking out of some emotional psychosis rather than straight logic. The points you made are valid in the sense that one with a moral fervor would feel quite the same, but as far as business is concerned, Tim is very successful and his methods have shown that through and through. I don’t like Tim Ferriss either – I’m a moral person, and I think he’s a douche – but to bash a successful business model because of it’s moral basis (or lack thereof) when a business isn’t required to have a moral basis to be successful… semantics. It’s spiteful and the only conclusions are about him as a person – not about his business model, which it looks like you just used as an excuse to bash him. Do I like Tim Ferriss? No, but unfair, biased contentions wrought from a bruised ego are something I dislike even further.

  7. Matthew Dotson
    Matthew Dotson says:

    Your blog reminds me a lot of Kathy Griffin’s character on Seinfeld: Sally Weaver.

    Sally Weaver becomes famous for trashing talking Jerry Seinfeld.

    Penelope Trunk becomes famous for trash talking Tim Ferriss and other well-known bloggers.

    I can tell you that positivity inspires me much more than criticism, which doesn’t inspire me to do anything.

    I can also tell you that I have bought these “other bloggers'” books and haven’t bought yours.

    You’ve succeeded in the short term of getting me on your website a few times, but I will never buy any of your books and I will certainly not tell my friends about how you inspired me.

    Continue posting critical blogs trash talking the people who are more successful than you and see how well that goes for you in the long run.

  8. Stephanie
    Stephanie says:

    I came across some of Tim’s websites and he reminded me of my ex. I suspect Penelope is right about Tim. Pushing people out of bounds to win? Well, I suppose that is one way of “winning”.

  9. Lela
    Lela says:

    Using Tim Ferris as a subject for this post undoubtedly led more people to read the post, so great marketing there! (and I suspect great revenge!).
    I’ve read the book and I’ve recommended it to others, not because it’s a bible, just because it does help one to question certain things and as with all books, I try to take what works and leave what doesn’t.
    I don’t think anyone deserves to be publicly lambasted for their personality, even if in your experience all you say is deserved, however, this post worked for you, so I’m sure you’re not complaining!
    The comments on the post made just as interesting reading!

  10. josh
    josh says:

    in that case, your article about reasons not to travel… well you are full of shit, really full of shit.

    people that think they cannot connect with another culture are people that are too busy or not paying attention while traveling. you are successful no doubt, but full of shit on that note.

  11. Samantha R.
    Samantha R. says:

    Damn, bitter much?

    It’s hard to take anything you say seriously when every sentence just oozes bile. Wow. Lady, you really just need to let it go and get a life.

  12. Brad
    Brad says:

    Great post! I confess that the title sucked me in because I have a fairly low opinion of Tim. Glad I checked the post out – GREAT life advice!

    Having said that, I have two of his books. So who’s the dummy there? Sort of like reading Elmore Leonard books, I know they peter out about mid-way, after the characters turn stale, but I still buy them. Thinking of starting a club for “Flat Learning Curvers” like me.

    Keep up the great posts.

  13. Jim Estill
    Jim Estill says:

    Great post. I, too, dislike people who shortcut. I generally lack the courage to speak my mind about someone who has achieved the success Tim has. I should learn from you.

  14. Girlbehindscissors
    Girlbehindscissors says:

    This article made me lol!

    When I read 4HWW, I found it both inspiring and depressing. I was inspired to think differently about my business and to read other books and blogs along a similar line. I also started a blog, which is making me no money at the moment, but I’m not sure I care about that. I also totally agree with working smarter, not harder.

    The lifestyle Tim has seems unrealistic and unobtainable, and at the same time sounds unsustainable. It seems knackering constantly moving around!
    The ideas and businesses he creates seem so difficult to achieve and sounds like the types of businesses that are created in the vein of 4HWW are schemes and almost-scams. In fact, since reading it, I have come across hundreds of these information products with the same old sales pitch “300% money back guarantee” “get £million worth of bonus material free” “buy quick before the offer expires in 30 seconds!”. It has made me trust online businesses even less!!
    Everyone is pretending they want to help you, but really they just want your money – just like Tim!
    It makes me feel uneasy, but maybe that’s the reason I’m not a millionaire?

    What is wrong with having an actual home? Why can’t he enjoy spending time in his home town? (Tax reasons perhaps?) What’s wrong with enjoying working with actual people, face to face, providing a real service?

    As for relationships, if you want the 4hww life, it seems you have to be prepared to do it alone. Tim seems like a very lonely person to me, where are his family and friends?

  15. Cathy
    Cathy says:

    I couldn’t stand him from the moment I read that he only hires as VA’s (virtual assistants) people in India and pays them about $4/hr. That made me sick. If you are a U.S. citizen, hire VA’s in the U.S., and pay a decent wage. People here cannot find work in large part because of outsourcing. It’s bad enough that the corporations are doing it, but you get people like Tim writing books encouraging it, bragging about it, and explaining how to do it….argh.

    I’m getting irritated and disgusted again just thinking about it, so I will not go on.

  16. dan
    dan says:

    i just opened up the tim ferriss blog and i change my mind. i really really hate him so much

  17. joe12@aol.com
    joe12@aol.com says:

    your clearly still Jealous, it shows.. Your dialog along is tough to read because you are so angry, grow up

  18. Taylor
    Taylor says:

    Tim promotes positive thinking and goal setting. From reading your blog it is full of negative thoughts and hatred. Successful people don’t care what others may think. Also intelligent people don’t say “full of sh*t”. Why would I read your book and have your negative attitude floating around in my head.

  19. Rob
    Rob says:

    I love that no one has caught the real awesomeness of this post. Brilliance is so much better when so few people see it. Penelope obviously adores Tim, which is why she wrote a great article on what he does. She also knows that he’s not for everyone, and wrote for/ made fun of that audience too. Clever girl, Penelope, I appreciate it for what it is.

  20. brad
    brad says:

    This is by FAARRR the MOST commented article you have. Seems to me you wanted some of that Tim juice;) And you got it – because I am here now…
    DAMNIT;(

  21. kristie
    kristie says:

    Tim Ferris’ blog usually provides very helpful information, but I find his constant self-patting-on-the-back cringeworthy. I love his content, but regrettably, I almost can’t stand him :( He tries way too hard to appear smart, even though just a few years ago he was an unknown who wrote a “terrible book proposal” (I quote an industry insider), but then rose to fame with the help of others. My advice to Tim would be to keep up the great content, but lose the egotism. If not, in the long run it’ll definitely catch up with him.

  22. Melissa
    Melissa says:

    Penelope,

    I found your blog in searching for info about Tim and was relieved to find a post calling out all the things I’ve been bothered by him and his book. It all seems like a sham to me.

    I like you even more because you are a fellow homeschooler :)

  23. D. S.
    D. S. says:

    I didn’t read Tim’s book far enough to get to the cheating at Kickboxing part. I didn’t hate it as much as you did PT, but I saw quickly that these are good tactics for being “the boss” or specifically a bad boss.

    Kudo’s for exposing the floods of spam his systems give you and correctly identifying its insidiousness, sounds like he has a “professionalism” problem in this regard.

  24. Thomas
    Thomas says:

    Look. We get that you struggle with Tim Ferriss, but at least to me, I would never consider you a mentor or thought-leader. You seem like a loose cannon, and that’s the most devastating characteristic anyone in any kind of business can project. Problem is, you do not seem to care about this fact at all.

    I’m not saying you’re a bad person. This is my first time at your blog. You seem to love your kids. But you are certainly speaking to a very specific A temperament — the very kinds of people who get promptly fired in a work situation, bug the hell out of everyone with their vitriol, or if working alone as a blogger, post blogs like this that are just this visceral manifestation of the fact that you can’t handle your own bitterness and shame.

    I’ve benefitted tremendously on numerous occasions from Ferriss’ guidance. I would not be where I am today without it. And the most astounding thing is that I”ve never paid him one red cent for any of it.

    If you want to piss on someone like that, go ahead. But you gotta at least entertain the possibility that the reason you aren’t anywhere near as well-known as Ferriss is in part due to your deep, ugly, and very unfortunate bitterness and hatred, whether toward F. or any one else.

    I wish you well, really. But I urge you to get help with your anger. It’s not making you money. SERIOUSLY.

  25. Lucy
    Lucy says:

    I have never before read your blog and know nothing about you. I did, however, read this post and felt compelled to reply.

    Penelope, this was hands down the most negative, opinionated post about a specific person that I have ever read on the internet. The whiney tone that you employed is also painfully reminiscent of middle school.

    I didn’t come here to defend Tim (I do believe that he is a genius, has worked very hard in his life and is an expert at finding shortcuts or “hacks”), but rather to express the pity that I feel for you. You insult and degrade a man who you say “name drops” and is self-centered. In the ‘about’ section of this website, underneath the photo of your face, you wrote (or your assistant wrote?), “Penelope Trunk founded four startups. Her most recent is Quistic. Her career advice runs in 200 newspapers.” . To me, that appears extremely self-centered and self-serving. Which is fine! Because this is your website! Just like Tim Ferriss’ books and websites are *his*.

    I also feel that your post has an incredibly ironic and poorly thought-out ending. You wrote, “There is only that feeling that someone is kind. And good. And truly connected.

    And Tim is not.” after a whole blog post that solely consisted of insulting another human being.

    If you, the author of this post, are reading this comment, and think to yourself, “that’s probably one of his interns at work,” you are mistaken. I neither know nor work for Tim Ferriss, but I did feel compelled to defend a man who, in my opinion, you harshly and unfairly criticized.

  26. Martin
    Martin says:

    Thanks a lot for your article Penelope! I believe Tim has some good advice but it’s definitely not all for me. I like his automation ideas but not the exploitation of any profitable niche just to get income from it.

  27. John
    John says:

    What I found about Tim’s time management section in his book is, simplify. I have to confess he is an expert on these things.

  28. Corey
    Corey says:

    Penelope, I just found your site and trawled around some of your articles, including several of the ‘advice to women’ ones. I admire your ability to give controversial advice then back it up with statistics, but then I came upon this post about Tim.

    It comes off as spiteful. It goes against the ethos I get from your blog, which is to do what works, no matter how unorthodox or immoral, because you know it works from scientific studies. Your prompt to get plastic surgery, for example, is a hard pill to swallow, but you make a good point of it being an objectively good idea for dating and for earning more as well as respect.

    But then you go and slam Tim for doing what worked to get coffee with you, question his kickboxing championship, and call his definition of work childish. But these are all things that I would think fall precisely within your life ethos of finding what works and doing it. They’re not clean, they’re not pretty, but they work – he won, he got coffee with you, and his title sold a bazillion more copies because of the shifty phrasing.

    It’s all very machiavellian, and since I’m a newcomer to your blog I can’t presume to know your philosophy, but this post comes off as an spiteful ad hominem piece condemning him for the very same methods you recommend.

    just my two cents.

  29. max millar
    max millar says:

    Nice post. Like your style. Call a spade a spade. And great to see someone peel back the layers on Tim – because how do you become as successful as he is on 4 hours work a week ?! That’s a crock right there. Great book title though.

  30. logan
    logan says:

    I’m a little surprised how petty this post is in regards to an innovative thinker such as Tim.

    I suppose his particular philosophy is a threat to the status quo. After all, Americans work to live not live to work.

  31. Mike
    Mike says:

    Tim is full of crap and appeals to the most naive and ignorant that want an easy dream life. No one read one of Tim’s books and made a lot of easy money.

  32. Jenn
    Jenn says:

    I like this article. I just watched a TED Talk by him on “strike out fear, learn anything” and after the 15-minute video, realized I had been completely misled. It was really a 15 minute talk on “hear how great I am”. I hadn’t actually learned anything. He struck me as inauthentic and conceted. I think you’re a good judge of character Penelope.

  33. clement
    clement says:

    I you hate the guy, wwhy the hell did you add all those links?

    Interesting article by the way. I loved his book but i agree with you on your points.

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