5 Time management tricks I learned from years of hating Tim Ferriss

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I have hated Tim Ferriss for a long time. I have hated him since we both had editors at Crown Publishing who sat next to each other and I heard how difficult he is.

I didn’t blog about it because first of all, I’m sure the buzz about me is that I’m difficult, too. And also, his book, The 4-Hour Workweek, was a bestseller and mine wasn’t. So I figured people would say that I’m jealous. And really, what author is not jealous sometimes? I mean, every author wants to write a bestseller.

But at this point, two years later, my hatred goes way beyond jealousy. My hatred is more selfless than that. And while I do understand that Tim is great at accelerated learning, the time management tips I have learned from him stem from the energy I have spent hating him:

1.Don’t hang out with people who don’t respect your time
This all started at SXSW conference in 2007, right before Tim’s book came out, when he was promoting the hell out of it to bloggers. Of course, this was not a bad idea, and to be fair, Tim was brilliant to start this book marketing trend. But that is beside the point. He approached me after my panel and said, “Can I get you coffee? I’d love to talk with you.”

I said, “Uh. No. I have plans.”

And he asked who with.

I wasn’t really sure. I knew there were cool people to hang out with after my panel, though, and I knew he wasn’t one of them. I gave a vague answer.

He said he was also meeting three people, and he name-dropped them. I can’t remember who they were. But they were fun, interesting, and I wanted to have coffee with them. So I said okay.

Then Tim couldn’t find them and I had coffee with only Tim.

Then I realized this was his strategy all along.

I told myself not to be pissy. I told myself bait-and-switch is the oldest sales tool in the world, and it’s my fault for falling for it.

I even wrote a blog post that included his book.

2.Cut to the chase: Tell people who are full of sh*t that they’re full of sh*t
When his book came out, there were vacuous, annoying comments all over my blog directing people to his book. Like, “The topic of priorities is an interesting one. I like how Tim Ferris handles that in his new book,blah blah” and then there’s a link to the book.

At this point I knew Tim, sort of. And I called him on his phone and told him to tell his employees to stop spamming my blog.

First he implied it was his fan base and he had little control.

I said that I thought he was full of sh*t.

He said he’d make sure there were no more comments like that on my blog.

3.Self-centered people are more likely to waste your time
Really, when I found he was spamming my site, I didn’t call him first. First, I emailed him. And I got some sort of crazy response about how he is only checking email twice a day and then instructions on what to do.

I emailed him back to tell him that I do not want automatic emails from him every time I try to contact him.

Which generated another, identical response about how he doesn’t check mail.

So I called him to tell him that he is generating spam back to me to tell me about his email checking and I don’t care. If he wants to check twice a day, fine, but don’t clog my in box with emails about it.

He said he’d take me off his list.

I am STILL getting this sort of spam from him. But the scope has widened. For example, now, he has commented on my blog and he forgot to say that he doesn’t want to be alerted to new comments. So every time there’s a comment, he spams everyone in the comments string, telling them that he doesn’t answer his email.

It’s insane. I cannot believe how many automated announcements I receive saying that Tim does not have a Blackberry. (Yes, the email really says that.) What if we all sent automated emails like that? Email would be totally nonfunctional. What if Tim just shut up about his email and if he thinks its fine to answer twice a day, then he should do that? And not spam everyone about it.

4.Productivity is about meeting your goals, not getting out of doing work
The week that Tim actually works a four-hour work week will be a cold week in hell. Tim got to where he is by being an insanely hard worker. I don’t know anyone who worked harder at promoting a book than he did. But the thing is, he didn’t call it work. Somehow, sliming me into having coffee with him to talk about his book is not work.

Fine. But then his four-hour work week is merely semantic. Because everything Tim does he turns into what the rest of us would call work, and he calls it not-work. For example, tango. If you want to be world-record holder, it’s work. It’s your job to be special at dancing the tango. That’s your big goal that you’re working toward. How you earn money is probably just a day job. So most weeks Tim probably has a 100-hour workweek. It’s just that he’s doing things he likes, so he lies to you and says he only works four hours. He defines work only as doing what you don’t like.

It’s childish. It’s a childish, semantic game. And it reminds me of him winning the Chinese National Kickboxing Championships by leveraging a little-known rule that people are disqualified if they stop outside the box. So he pushed each of his opponents outside the box to win.

He is winning the I-work-less-than-you game with a similarly questionable method: semantics.

5.Time management is about making time to connect with people
The idea of time management only matters in relation to how important the stuff is that’s competing for your time. The stuff that makes time management the most difficult is relationships. Which Tim does not excel in.

Fine. Not everyone has to be good at making real connections.

But Tim runs around telling people who have lots of relationships competing for their time how to think about work/not work, forgetting that in the real world, where people are not assholes, time management is not an equation or a semantic game because relationships really matter. And figuring out how to judge time in terms of competing values is the hardest thing of all.

Tim is all about time management for achievement and winning. But there are not trophies or measurements for relationships. There is only that feeling that someone is kind. And good. And truly connected.

And Tim is not.

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  1. t1
    t1 says:

    Brava!

    I subscribe to Ferris’ blog just so I can be constantly reminded of what self-centered tools sound like.

  2. Kathy
    Kathy says:

    My husband sends me lots of your posts because he thinks it will help with my own blog. He’s been a subscriber for years. I hooked into one of your online webcasts on blogging several months ago. I haven’t really taken all your great advice, but I don’t have 60,000 subscribers (yet). I love this post for too many reasons to count. I have too many Tim Ferris’ in my life.

  3. Ally
    Ally says:

    My god! After the first 3 to 4 minutes of his TED Talk I couldn’t help but feeling he was a complete egocentric dickwad. The world would be a better off with fewer of his type – yuck!

  4. Christopher
    Christopher says:

    nothing better to do than complain about other people? Time to look inwards and start enjoying your own life rather than envying Tim’s. That’s what his whole book is about – enjoying LIFE! I wish you the best, please spend your time bringing up your own life rather than trying to bring down his, though.

  5. Melissa
    Melissa says:

    I have read both your book and Tim's book within the last year, and I found some of the questions I have had about him, questions that had haunted me after reading his book, have been answered by your post. Thank you for your refreshingly honest take on Tim and the theories he espouses.

  6. Cathy
    Cathy says:

    I really thought your blog here was tongue-in-cheek. It was very funny, and I suppose true in a way. But this guy really has some novel, interesting ideas. His 4 HR body book is hysterically funny…especially the chapters on sex. He is beginning to remind me of the movie Being There.

  7. JK
    JK says:

    I find no evidence that you are better than Tim or anybody else. Not convinced. So, you are just borrowing Tim Ferriss’ fame to get more traffic to your website.
    1. He was respecting by seeking you out and trying to learn about you. You ignored and disrespected by turning it down, with disrespect… Are you really a career adviser? So do you teach people not to bother people because their time is important? How do you get anything with that attitude? So, how do you connect with people with your precious time if you don’t take the initiation? No sense in your post at all….
    People succeed by being nice to people and helping them. Ms. Trunk, I think you are full of shit.

  8. MindStrategist - „¢
    MindStrategist - „¢ says:

    You have raised some valid points. Great tips on time management. You got to be able to say ‘no’ to lesser important activities/people so you can focus on the more important ones. Yes, relationships do matter and it is difficult to quantify the value of relationships. At the same time, Tim has offered some fantastic tips in his first book, and if nothing else, has at least got people thinking about the potential of online business.

  9. phil
    phil says:

    I have a problem commenting here simply because I believe that if Ferriss thrives on anything it’s attention. What anyone says about him, positive or not, does not change the fact that we are all talking about Tim, which suits him just fine – there’s no such thing as bad publicity. The best thing will be when people stop paying attention. Nothing withers an ego faster.

  10. anne-mette jensen
    anne-mette jensen says:

    Penelope, you crack me up.

    (Haven’t yet read Tim Ferriss but have been wondering if I should. I see I haven’t missed too much)

  11. Bill King
    Bill King says:

    Wow. I didn’t read all of the comments, but from what I see no one gets the joke. Am i the first? It is obvious that the author really admired Tim. Am i wrong?

    I love how each tip has supporting comments that seem to slam Mr.Ferris, but aren’t really addressing the point. It is a fun technique for getting people to read the blog and sit back and watch. Good job. You have a new reader/follower.

  12. Juan Ramirez
    Juan Ramirez says:

    When I find myself a little irked by Ferris, I just grin and think about all those folks who bought the new book and are out there choking down lentils and spinach for breakfast and running into the restroom to do air squats at lunch. Truly priceless!

  13. Rob
    Rob says:

    Folks:
    Ever consider that this particular post is marketing for Ferris’ book? Positive or negative, it’s still publicity. I wouldn’t doubt that it is/was contrived to be such.
    Rob

  14. Harry
    Harry says:

    Hi,

    After reading 1/2 of his book, I recognized that a book on time management shouldn’t drag on for so long. If “Coles Notes” sold a version – it would be a best seller since the same message could be done in 15 pages.

    Also – I was so unimpressed that he has published another book about fitness that I (prematurely) started the blog “TerribleTimFerriss”. Your page is so succinct that I actually don’t need to write that blog anymore.

    Thanks for seeing through the chintzy sales garbage that he spews. It’s people like him that are seriously going to ruin the modern world.

    Yours,

    Harry

  15. Ami
    Ami says:

    I had to laugh when I read this post, because everything you stated was so true. Particularly point 5.

    One thing that you said that I found invaluable was how Tim only considered the things he disliked to be work. This is actually an interesting concept that needs to be explored. Am I really working 50 hours a week if I truly enjoy and excel at what I’m doing? Maybe not. Will have to think about that one for a while…

  16. Get a life
    Get a life says:

    Get a life. You sound like a 10 year old girl. You are jealous, bottom line ! Donate your computer to chairty and move on with your life so that maybe you will grow a pair in the future.

  17. Susan
    Susan says:

    Hate? Really? Hate! Save that for people who murder, beat children, cause terror and the like. You’d sound less bitchy and more professional.

  18. Ray Burnsey
    Ray Burnsey says:

    You know, you make some really good points, but like most things context is everything and any point can be used to support just about any argument with either the right context or the lack of context.

    It’s a good post in any case and a beautiful example of linkbait.

  19. andrew
    andrew says:

    I read…and loved tim Ferris book. But something didn’t feel right so often because I don’t know the man. It was like a having a millionaire real estate client and thinking. I want to be like him. Only to learn he kind and polite to you because you take care of him but hes and asshole to his wife and his kids think he’s a workaholic. I completely agree business is not about winning but about relationships.

  20. Pascal
    Pascal says:

    Just heard of Tim Ferriss today, but your blog got me remembering an observation I heard once… Wouldn’t it be great if people posted true anecdotes about these gurus – Robbins, Dr. Phil, Ferriss, Chopra, etc? You know, family members who won’t speak to them anymore or old roommates who hated their dirty habits.

    Instead, we get sanitized websites and publicity stuff or sycophants who’d smile while the guru wiped his mouth on them.

    The truth is family and friends know these guys are narcissists, obsessive compulsives, manipulators and brats.

    But who wants their guru exposed, right?

  21. Ernesto
    Ernesto says:

    I loved this. I literally could not believe what I was reading when I picked this up at B&N. Is it just me, or does Tim basically seem like a version of the guy who wrote “I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell” that actually takes himself completely seriously? I wish I could ask him questions like “If I was born in the third world, who could I hire to be MY personal organizer?” or “What should I do if I think that someone being dumb justifies ripping them off as much as someone having cerebral palsy justifies mugging them?”

  22. Caleb
    Caleb says:

    Time is the same for us all, but always seem to run out. While it is true that time must be set aside for people, preparation is the key to any effective use of time. Without time set aside for preparation, your time with the people is not as effective.

  23. Jake
    Jake says:

    You have a few valid points but the thing is that if you like what you are doing then why call it work? I enjoy playing Video Games and if I had time to play them 10 hours a day 7 days a week I would. But I would not call that work even though I would be excelling at whatever game I was playing with that much time invested in it.

    Tim Ferriss is just trying to help people. I would have never created my business if I hadn’t read his book. I’m not saying he is the best person in the world but “hate” is a strong word for someone who is helping a lot of people get out of the rat race.

  24. Kyle Monk
    Kyle Monk says:

    This article made me laugh, I love it.

    I’m not going to lie, I read the 4 hour body (a pirated .pdf you’ll be happy to know) and it actually really helped me. Between the supplements, exercise and lifestyle changes I felt incredible, and although his book wasn’t directly responsible, it was the spark that got me out of a pretty dark time.

    However, the fact that he is obviously such a dick doesn’t surprise me that much, I’ve got nothing but respect for you as an underdog, but also in a way I can’t explain I have more respect for him for being such an asshole. I don’t buy into him, I buy into success (not that i’ve ever actually bought any of his products) and he has that in droves. Who cares if it is bullshit, nothing in the Bible is true but Jesus came off pretty well from it.

    Anyway, love the article, looking forward to reading more of your stuff.

  25. Malte
    Malte says:

    Hi,
    I am a fan of Tim, and I really think it is interesting to hear another view of his work. I think it is never good to only listen to one “guru” and not get another opinion. I can understand everyone of your arguments and can imagine most beeing true, but because of some, like him not defining work in the common way, those are the reasons I am fascinated by him. He is able to sell his book, because he makes it look new and interesting to you whatever he is talking about. And his info is not useless, so for me its ok. You could always troll about marketing strategies.
    In the end I like this post and will read some more.
    Viele Grüße from Germany
    Malte

  26. RJD
    RJD says:

    Couldn’t agree more. I just described him to my co-author as a “self-congratulating capitalist who’s a little creepy.” While I’ve skimmed his books (thank you public library systems!), his own 20/80 policy seems to apply his writing as well–about 20% of what he says is worthwhile (if that much), and the rest is masturbation.

    Your time management tips get to the heart of the topic–literally. Managing time has a lot to do with honoring what’s important to us. So maybe Tim really believes he’s not working because he’s having so much fun, and he equates work with grueling boredom, but given the series of anecdotes he offers in his books, I have to wonder how much he’s really getting out of his life and if there’s anyone he can truly share it with. Sad. :\

    P.S. I promise that even though I don’t read my email except a few times a day, I won’t spam your blog letting you know it. ;)

  27. Michelle
    Michelle says:

    Good for you Penelope. I remember his blog marketing blitz and it was brilliant, but the book (or plan or whatever) was obviously snake oil.

  28. I Love Free Music
    I Love Free Music says:

    Time is the same for us all, but always seem to run out. While it is true that time must be set aside for people, preparation is the key to any effective use of time. Without time set aside for preparation, your time with the people is not as effective.

  29. Joshua
    Joshua says:

    –Productivity is about meeting your goals, not getting out of doing work
    “….his book, The 4-Hour Workweek, was a bestseller and mine wasn’t.”

    –Self-centered people are more likely to waste your time
    “But at this point, two years later, my hatred goes way beyond jealousy. My hatred is more selfless than that.” Selfless hatred? o.0 That's a new one.

    –Time management is about making time to connect with people
    “I have hated him since we both had editors at Crown Publishing who sat next to each other and I heard how difficult he is.”

    “I told myself not to be pissy. I told myself bait-and-switch is the oldest sales tool in the world, and it’s my fault for falling for it.”
    –5 Time management tricks I learned from years of hating Tim Ferriss

    I’d rather listen to an asshole (not my opinion) than a hypocrite.

  30. Fiona Kelly
    Fiona Kelly says:

    I thought there were some “food for thought” ideas in Tim’s book and he pointed me in some good directions re websites, etc. but my underlying feeling throughout the book was that I didnt like the guy at all.

    World champion tango dancer? WTF? Who else competed in that competition? And look at the clips on the web, he hardly moves! Anyways, I love the way you dont hold back! go girl! YOU just won another reader!

  31. majnoon
    majnoon says:

    You seem incredibly, incredibly hard up for this guy. I’m not trying to be an asshole, and I’ve honestly never heard of him before in my life. I only ended up here after following a Gawker link to this story. But yes, there’s more going on here. All this passive aggressiveness in the article. You were either scorned by this fellow, or his egotism has you hot and bothered. “How dare you sir!” Save it sister….

  32. Sylvia
    Sylvia says:

    Clever post. Guess it took the New York Times to finally get a snarky comment out there about TF, since it sounds impossible to do via his blog. Applause to Penelope for making it happen. I bought the book and read about 20 pages – silly. There is no magic potion.

  33. Edward
    Edward says:

    These are awesome tips.
    I agree though, sometimes resentment might not be the best way to solve things. There was a saying by a great philosopher: Hatred is like clutching a knife by the blade. Pain is inflicted on the bearer. :)

    Good luck!

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