I have had two abortions.
The first one was when I was twenty-seven. I was playing professional beach volleyball. I was playing volleyball eight hours a day and I spent two hours a day at the gym. I noticed that I was getting tired more easily, but I thought it meant I needed to train harder.
Then one weekend, a doctor friend on a visit saw me drop a plate one day, and a vase the next. I told her my hands just gave out because they were so tired.
She said I was anemic. Then she said, “Maybe you’re pregnant.”
“I’m not,” I said. “I have a regular period.”
It turns out, though, that you can have a regular period and still be pregnant.
And I was. Fourteen weeks.
My friend said, “Schedule the abortion now. You’re already late for it.”
I didn’t do anything. I was in shock. My boyfriend was in shock. Neither of us had ever had a pregnancy. I couldn’t believe the whole process actually worked, to be honest.
I told my mom I was pregnant. She said, “Get an abortion.”
I didn’t say anything. I wasn’t really thinking I had any choices. I didn’t have a job that could support a child. And I wasn’t sure if I was planning to marry my boyfriend, although we were living together. I knew that I had big ideas for my life and I hadn’t figured things out yet.
My mom got militant. “You’ll destroy your career possibilities.”
She riffed on this theme for a week, calling me every night. Her passion is understandable. My mom took a job when I was young because she hated being home with kids. She endured interview questions like, “Does your husband want you away from home working?” She was one of the first women to become an executive at her Fortune 500 company. She blazed trails so I could have career goals that required an abortion to preserve.
Here’s what else happened: Other women called. It turned out that many, many women I knew had had an abortion. This is not something women talk about. I mean, I had no idea how ubiquitous the procedure was, at least in my big-city, liberal, Jewish world.
Each of those women told me that I should get an abortion so that I could keep my options open. “You’re a smart girl. You can do anything with your life right now. Don’t ruin it.”
My boyfriend was laying low. He was no slouch when it came to pro-choice politics and he knew it was, ultimately, my decision.
But the minute I said I would get an abortion, he was driving me to Planned Parenthood.
You had to go once to set up the appointment, and then go back.
When I went back, I had a panic attack. I was on the table, in a hospital gown, screaming.
The nurse asked me if I was a religious Christian.
The boyfriend asked me if I was aware that my abortion would be basically illegal in seven more days.
I couldn’t stop screaming. I was too scared. I felt absolutely sick that I was going to kill a baby. And, now that I know more about being a mother, I understand that hormones had already kicked in to make me want to keep the baby. We left. No abortion.
My boyfriend started panicking by suddenly staying really late at work and going out with friends a lot. I stopped playing volleyball because I got tired so quickly.
People kept calling me: They said, “Think about how you’ll support the child. Think about what you’ll do if your boyfriend leaves you. You’re all alone in LA with no family. How will you take care of yourself?”
People gave me advice: Get a job. Once you have established yourself in a career, you’ll feel much better about having kids. Figure out where you fit in the world. Get a job, then get married, and then have kids.
I scheduled another abortion. But it was past the time when Planned Parenthood will do an abortion. Now it was a very expensive one at a clinic that seemed to cater to women coming from Christian countries in South America. I knew that if I did not go through with it this time, no one would do the abortion. I was too far along.
So I did it.
I went to sleep with a baby and woke up without one. Groggy. Unsure about everything. Everything in the whole world.
People think abortion is such an easy choice–they say, “Don’t use abortion as birth control.” Any woman who has had one will tell you how that is such crazy talk. Because an abortion is terrible. You never stop thinking about the baby you killed. You never stop thinking about the guy you were with when you killed the baby you made with him. You never stop wondering.
So the second time I got pregnant, I thought of killing myself. My career was soaring. I was 30 and I felt like I had everything going for me – great job, great boyfriend, and finally, for the first time ever, I had enough money to support myself. I hated that I put myself in the position of either losing all that or killing a baby.
I didn’t tell anyone I was pregnant. I knew what they’d say.
So I completely checked out emotionally. I scheduled the abortion like I was on autopilot. I told my boyfriend at the last minute and told him not to come with me.
He said forget it. He’s coming with me.
I remember staring at the wall. Telling myself to stop thinking of anything.
The doctor asked me, “Do you understand what’s going to happen?”
I said yes. That’s all I remember.
I got two abortions to preserve my career. To keep my options open. To keep my aspirations within reach.
I bought into the idea that kids undermine your ability to build an amazing career.
And here I am, with the amazing career.
But also, here I am with two kids. So I know a bit about having kids and a career. And I want to tell you something: You don’t need to get an abortion to have a big career. Women who want big careers want them because something deep inside you drives you to change the world, lead a revolution, break new barriers.
It doesn’t matter whether you have kids now or later, because they will always make your career more difficult. There is no time in your life when you are so stable in your work that kids won’t create an earthquake underneath that confidence.
I think about the men I was with when I had the abortions. They were not bad men. One is my ex-husband. So much of life is a gamble, and I think I might have had as good a chance of staying together with the first guy as I did with my ex-husband. And I am not sure that my life would have turned out worse if I had had kids early. I am not sure it would have turned out better. I’m not even sure it would have been that different.
You never know, not really. There is little certainty. But there are some certain truths: It’s very hard to have an abortion. And, there is not a perfect time to have kids.
And I wonder, are there other women out there who had abortions in the name of their career and their potential? What do those women think now?


P,
I'm sure you will get a slew of immature comments to this. And also a bunch of bashing. And you might even lose a few readers.
I commend you for talking openly about things that nobody talks about. That is why you're so successful. I also appreciate how you continue to relate the "crazy topics" (first oral, now abortion) back to your career.
Great post. Keep it up.
Posted by Sydney on 06/17/2009 at 08:11am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Sydney, I think you're right about Penelope getting a slew of immature comments to this post. Not only immature comments but also rash, judgmental, etc. Penelope is well aware of this potential outcome. It's the kind of 'high risk' post (very personal) I couldn't post about myself. Penelope's story is one story and she's not alone. I think you'll see that in the comment section here. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and their opinion will say something about themselves – good, bad, or something in between. I'm hoping it's a process where we all can focus on the learning aspect.
Posted by Mark W. on 06/17/2009 at 09:33am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Right… because anyone that could possibly disagree with her must immediately be labelled as immature, rash, and judgemental. I have to give you credit though… at least you didn't throw out "racist" and "homophobic."
Of course, you'd probably label this comment as all of the above, anyway.
Posted by Technologist on 2009-06-19 19:50:37 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
I think this is the sickest thing I have ever read. Thank goodness you aborted a child for your volleyball career. I think we all know how that turned out. This might be it for me. Reading your blog is starting to make me feel slightly less happy than watching films about Nazi death camps.
Posted by Steve on 06/17/2009 at 08:25am | permalink | Reply to this comment
And this is why I just subscribed to your blog.
Posted by Liz on 06/17/2009 at 02:25pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks for this article – i will now start reading your blog :) I have had 2 also but not necessarily b/c of career but b/c i dont want the house in the suburbs, hubby and 2.5 kids – american dream. I do want a career and success and to enjoy life w/o kids. there is nothing wrong in that. Thanks for posting this blog!
Posted by julie on 2009-06-21 17:34:06 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
Steve, your comment certainly proclaims your opinion, but it adds absolutely nothing to the discussion and won't change anyone's mind. If changing minds is your goal, why not go about it more constructively?
Posted by ember on 06/17/2009 at 02:43pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Amen.
But it's all about the page views, right? I wonder if there are any stones left unturned…
Posted by jennyg on 06/23/2009 at 09:28pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I haven't had one, but thank you for reiterating that there's no perfect time to be a parent. It's not easy being pregnant in this economy, that's for sure. I appreciate your insight.
Posted by mamaworker on 06/17/2009 at 08:27am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I also wanted to second this opinion- the message that I took from this and I think speaks the loudest to me at least is the lesson learned. There is no perfect time for being a parent. Abortions are never really forgotten. And you may have had to take this path to have learned that, but just by you sharing your experience, it can maybe help someone face this tough decision a little more knowledgeable. There's the possibility that some woman today will read this and think, I can keep this child and still have a shot at a career.
That to me is positive. Very positive. Controversial posts will always be controversial. But it's important that stories are out there, so the someone who needs it can read it and learn from it.
Personally, my situtation is wishing to have a child, and lots of people telling me to hold off, husband included, for the same reasons that you were told not to have children and that led to the decisions you made in life.
So thank you, for pretty much stating that it's not the case.
Posted by Vicki on 06/17/2009 at 12:42pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
..I agree.
I asked myself many times what would happen, if I would get pregnant, before finishing high school, before finishing University, now, in Japan where it seems having a child is quite a difficult matter.
In high school, and during University, I would seriously consider abortion. Even if I know I would feel guilty forever. I would have considered it as an option even now, although I've finished my studies, but just got an entry level job as engineer. But your shared experience got me to think about it. Once again. And in the end, that's right – you'll never know the future, but kids will undermine your stability anyway, at any moment, even if perfectly planned. Thank you for sharing.
I really think you're great. I started reading you within this week, and I'm amazed.
;)
Posted by Sarah on 2009-07-29 21:35:27 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
Wow, this is a powerful subject to share about, Penelope. Obviously, some of it has stayed with you, and it's brave of you to share with everyone. There's no perfect time for anything, but you did what you felt you had to do, and it's noble of you to share the feelings you had with others and help provide guidance for other women.
Seems like you are perfectly happy with your family (and your career) now though! :) Props!
Posted by Cody McKibben on 06/17/2009 at 08:27am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Cody, I think your comment is meant to draw attention to yourself – and your site. Unfortunately, being a jackass does not make you clever.
Penelope, I disagree with a lot in your post but I appreciate that you shared your story.
Posted by Nicole M. on 06/18/2009 at 07:25pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Nicole, why do you state that Cody was being a jackass? Your comment is incongruous.
Posted by WordSprite on 2009-06-21 02:35:56 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
Are you going to go on Maury and tell us how you were raped by your neighbor next?
You will do *anything* for attention, won't you? Typical of people who desire validation but have accomplished nothing.
Posted by John on 06/17/2009 at 08:30am | permalink | Reply to this comment
This was a wildly angry comment that does not seem to have anything to do with the post… get some exercise.
Posted by Doug on 06/18/2009 at 04:47pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
wow. i can't ever imagine haven't the guts to share something that personal.
i haven't had an abortion but i have been sickly paranoid about not having kids for the same reason – my career. i have had only one real "scare" in my life and even then (happily married, successful and financially comfortable) i actually considered having one.
i do wonder though, was it really the career that made me think that way? or maybe that i just really didn't want a child at that time? maybe i was using my career as an excuse (albeit it a crappy one) to justify how i felt.
z
Posted by zoe on 06/17/2009 at 08:44am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thank you for your courage to share such a personal story. I enjoyed reading it!
Posted by Linh on 06/17/2009 at 08:51am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Well, I've dinged you recently for being overly-sensational, but I think you're saying something here that needs to be said. I only hope people will read the WHOLE THING carefully enough to understand the messages.
I am curious—is the career you envisioned at the time of each abortion the career you have now? In other words, did you turn out to have the career that you meant to have, or a different one? Or was it just "career success" in general that you were aiming for at the time, without a specific picture of what that looked like?
Posted by Kerry on 06/17/2009 at 08:54am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Amazingly courageous post! This is why I read your blog. It's raw and completely honest.
Posted by Jenny Lee on 06/17/2009 at 08:55am | permalink | Reply to this comment
It seems some of your yahoo fans have followed you here.
I read the title of the post and said "Oh. My. God. What has she done this time."
You managed to describe a difficult (lifechanging/agonizing) decision with candor and your trademark brutal honesty.
Kudos for being honest enough to walk the truth road ~ between villification and glorification.
cheers, blessings, and keep it up.
-aaron
Posted by aaron on 06/17/2009 at 08:57am | permalink | Reply to this comment
It's not noon yet and two men already think you are nothing based on your choice of "abortion"! Wow!!
It is really brave of you to talk about this intimate topic publicly. I cannot even imagine what it takes to own your decisions (good and the bad) that much to be able to write about it in your blog.
I really hope I don't have to make this choice, but if I do, I know I will think of how to take care of the baby before I think of how much I love the baby cos its my baby. All that hormone telling you to keep it aside I see no point in bringing a baby into this world only to neglect the child later. I know a lot of people get turned off when I say this, but a lot of those ppl who tell me I am wrong also happen to be friends who are lousy parents to their kids.
Posted by TD on 06/17/2009 at 09:00am | permalink | Reply to this comment
TD, most parents are lousy parents, in my experience. We do mess up our kids (passing on our insecurities and weirdnesses), just as we were messed up by our parents. But there's a lot of wonderful stuff to pass along too. Watching from outside, you can't really tell much about a family relationship. I would encourage you to reconsider the possibilities if you are ever faced with this difficult decision.
Posted by Erica on 06/17/2009 at 04:02pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
TD, you may think that your friends are lousy parents but as Erica saidyou can't tell a lot about a family relationship from the outside (I'm speaking from personal experience). Also parenting techniques that you may think are lousy well if you became a parent you may find yourself developing a sneaking suspicion of calrity and understanding with regards to raising children.
Posted by KC on 06/22/2009 at 06:55am | permalink | Reply to this comment
TD, you may think that your friends are lousy parents but as Erica saidyou can't tell a lot about a family relationship from the outside (I'm speaking from personal experience). Also parenting techniques that you may think are lousy well if you became a parent you may find yourself developing a sneaking suspicion of clarity and understanding with regards to raising children.
Posted by KC on 06/22/2009 at 06:55am | permalink | Reply to this comment
TD, you may think that your friends are lousy parents but as Erica said you can't tell a lot about a family relationship from the outside (I'm speaking from personal experience). Also parenting techniques that you may think are lousy well if you became a parent you may find yourself developing a sneaking suspicion of clarity and understanding with regards to raising children.
Posted by KC on 06/22/2009 at 06:56am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I come here on a daily basis to read your amazing blogs, Penelope, but have never commented before. I just have to commend you on writing this post today. I am a working mother working in the administrative offices of a Planned Parenthood. Not everyone agrees with me working for this organization. I really appreciate you putting this out there. Thank you, Penelope. This type of honesty is why I read your blog.
Posted by Amy on 06/17/2009 at 09:00am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Deluded and appalling.
Posted by Russ on 06/17/2009 at 09:00am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Deluded??? How could you possibly call someone who has had two abortions and then looks back on it as perhaps not the necessary choice, "deluded"? Sounds like you're the deluded one, but by what, I haven't the faintest clue.
Posted by Scarlett on 06/18/2009 at 05:50pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
thanks so much for sharing this story and what you've come to understand as a result of the decisions you made in life. sister, i give you so much credit for being so exposed and vulnerable to the world – i guess that is why you are so successful. i came from a completely different background: small town, "conservative" values. i wanted a career and it seemed like everyone around me wanted kids. i grew up thinking abortions were OK b/c everyone around me despised gals who had them. And besides, i wanted to get the hell outta there. As I aged and had more experiences I developed a much different opinion (minus the misogyny) but I have also been fortunate to never find myself in the situation of having to make such a tough decision. so, thanks.
Posted by melissa on 06/17/2009 at 09:03am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm confused. You said in your CNN interview that whether one thinks it's right or wrong, abortion is legal, and we should all support people in exercising the rights that we have. SLAVERY WAS A RIGHT! Does that mean everyone should have had slaves prior to 1864 because it was legal? There are a host of other laws that have been on the books (as recently as 60 years ago) that many people find offensive. Not all laws are moral or ethical.
That being said, you also said in your interview that 75% of women have miscarriages. As far as I can tell 100% of women poop, but that doesn't mean we need to blog about it. It really is okay to keep some things private, or to discuss them only with a counselor or clergyman (or physician if it's about pooping).
Posted by Mary B on 01/28/2010 at 03:27pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks for saying this. I think it's a bit sensational, but I do think you make good points. And thanks for saying, in not so many words, that women don't want abortions. None of us want them, pro-choice or not. I haven't had one, and can't imagine it now that I have my own child, but I wouldn't want that right taken away. We just have to be aware of the hefty price we pay for it. If we could all just work together to educate each other on sex, we'd be much better off.
Posted by Kristi on 06/17/2009 at 09:04am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm curious, after your first error, why you didn't learn from your mistake and use protection. It clearly wasn't a good experience for you the first time.
Posted by j on 06/17/2009 at 09:04am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I always wonder if the people who ask this question are virgins. If you are having sex 100-200 times per year, even with protection you have at minimum a 2-10 percent chance of getting pregnant. Over 10 years that chance gets a lot bigger. Do the math. No "protection" is 100% effective.
Posted by Veronica Sawyer on 06/17/2009 at 09:20am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Veronica has it right. After 10 years even on the pill you have a better than 50% chance of becoming pregnant at least once, using typical failure rates.
Posted by F on 2009-06-17 09:37:07 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
I hate to be "that person" but your chances of getting pregnant with protection do not increase with time. Your error rate stays the same. That means you have a 2% chance the first time you have sex with protection and a 2% chance the 200th time you have sex with protection.
If cumulative chance were actually true, we'd all have a better chance of winning the lottery as we played more.
Posted by Lance Haun on 2009-06-17 11:51:52 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
Funny but if you read her twitter you'll see she's still not on the pill.
Posted by Rachel - I Hate HR on 2009-06-17 20:26:30 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
Veronica is right, here.
@Lance – What people are doing her is shifting into giving cumulative probabilities. Instead of listing the probability of getting pregnant per year (or per time having sex), they're giving the probability of getting pregnant over eg a 10 year period of time. That IS higher than the chance of getting pregnant over a 1 year period of time, even if your failure rate doesn't change. This is the best way to think about failure rates of birth control.
Posted by M.D. on 2009-06-18 08:34:33 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
Many people use protection, it fails, and they get pregnant–they just don't know it, because they miscarry before they're aware of the pregnancy. Failures in BC are probably even higher than the 2-10%. I'm in my late 40's. Most women I know have had failures at some point or another with their BC. Some had unplanned kids, some had abortions, many have had both.
Posted by Francine on 2009-06-18 10:17:35 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
Actually one of the mechanisms of the pill is to make the womb a hostile environment to a conceived child… read the PDR. Little abortions happen everyday without anyone knowing… anybody but God that is.
Posted by Doug on 2009-06-18 16:51:09 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
You have the same probability every single time you have sex. How is that ignorant? The 1000th time you have protected sex doesn't mean you have a larger chance of getting pregnant. The act of taking your 2% chances over a 1000 times is the only variable.
Look at the context of the comment I was actually responding to before you throw your jabs at me.
Posted by Lance on 2009-06-19 00:17:58 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
Those rates aren't exactly true. Failure rates for birth control are independent of each other and are not cumulative. Second, failure rates are usually understood to be x% per month, rather than per sexual episode (since there's only one egg per month). So even if you're using fairly liberal failure rates (99.0%, say, for modern birth control methods) then you don't really have better than a 1.5% chance of becoming pregnant in a twelve-month span (it's the sum of the function .1*(.99^n-1), n=1 through 12). In the real world with proper use pregnancy rates while using some form of contraception are more like 0.1%.
Posted by Colage on 2009-06-19 18:50:38 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
Penelope first I want to say that the 'j' that posted this comment is not me, the regular poster 'J'. Really want to make that clear.
Second, you have balls of steel for sharing your story and pointing out that when it comes to an unplanned/unwanted pregnancy, no choice is easy.
Posted by J on 06/17/2009 at 10:07am | permalink | Reply to this comment
>>>>
I hate to be "that person" but your chances of getting pregnant with protection do not increase with time. Your error rate stays the same. That means you have a 2% chance the first time you have sex with protection and a 2% chance the 200th time you have sex with protection.
If cumulative chance were actually true, we'd all have a better chance of winning the lottery as we played more.
Posted by Lance Haun on 2009-06-17 11:51:52 |
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Not really relevant to the overall discussion, but Lance's comment is so ignorant that it needs to be replied to. This is akin to saying that if you flip a coin 200 times, you have a 50% chance of never having seen tails, when the correct statement is that on the 200th flip there is a 50% chance of seeing a head or tail, whereas the odds of the 200th flip being the first tail are astronomical. And yes, the more you play the lottery the better chance you have of winning at least once, even if the chance of winning on a single ticket is the same, and the more you have sex, even if the failure rates are the same, the more likely you are to get pregnant at least once.
Posted by F on 2009-06-17 12:10:41 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
The only 100% way to not get pregnant is to not have sex.
I became pregnant the first time we used a condom because it broke
(I know this is pretty late in the game but I figured it needed to be said)
Posted by leah on 07/03/2009 at 11:15pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I love the dudes that complain about being an attention whore. They keep reading, don't they? What kind of asshat does that? I don't read motherfuckers I don't like. Unless I want to be pissed off.
Nother fine column. There is little certainty. Not even when you're trying to have one on purpose. I think all you can really know is whether or not you're ready at the time.
Posted by LK on 06/17/2009 at 09:04am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thank you for your honesty in this incredibly personal story. An unexpected pregnancy is a choice that many women have to make, and no one should be demonized for making a decision that made sense for their life at that time – especially not in a completely legal endeavor. You are a brave woman, P; it is posts like this that are helping to create an open dialogue about such a sensitive issue.
Posted by Amanda on 06/17/2009 at 09:05am | permalink | Reply to this comment
My hand is raised.
Posted by S.O. on 06/17/2009 at 09:05am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm impressed that you shared this with us. I'm sure this will provoke a firestorm of controversy.
Posted by F on 06/17/2009 at 09:12am | permalink | Reply to this comment
wow. thanks for opening up a dialogue that is usually cemented shut. i'm encouraged by the conclusion that you came to.
Posted by priscilla on 06/17/2009 at 09:14am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Great, but difficult topic and I applaud you for your honesty. That said, I strongly disagree with the comment "anytime you have kids, it will be difficult for your career".
When my wife and I decided that we wanted to have a family, I decided that I could no longer stay in my career of seven years. It was not possible to do that and (IMHO) be a good parent. So I resigned and took a job for $100K less.
My pre-family job was Strategy Consulting with Accenture and my success was based on 80% travel. I could have taken a few months or looked for a 'local job' but I knew that that would be temporary.
So with 80% travel, I could not be the father I wanted to be AND my wife would have not had me around to help her with the new baby.
After having three kids, I see how easy it is to totally screw-up children by bad parenting and how hard it is to be a good parent. Deciding to have a child has a lot more responsibility behind it than deciding not to have a child.
So my conclusion would be that there are good times to have children in your career.
Great topic,
Will
Posted by Will at Virtualjobcoach on 06/17/2009 at 09:21am | permalink | Reply to this comment
So Will, it seems that despite the fact that you initially stated that you disagree with her statement regarding balancing career and parenting, you are really agreeing with it because you had to give up your 6 figure job that required 80% travel for a lower paying one which requires less in order for you to be the parent you want to be. Is there any really good time to have children in your career? What if your wife had worked as well? The fact is that we are often forced to decide between earning the livelihood we'd like to and being the parent we'd like to. My guess is that your former boss didn't care whether you had a family life or not but just that you gave work your A game 100$ of the time. That true for most careers. Talk to a doctor, lawyer or corporate executive about how often they get to see their kids.
What truly a shame is that (and many of us have found this out now) now matter how much of an A game player you are, when your employer is lower on profits then he/she wants to be you may find yourself with more of a family life then you'd care to have.
Posted by Dave on 06/17/2009 at 02:07pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
i am profoundly impressed by the courage and candor of this post!
i am a pastor in cincinnati, and would consider myself pro-life, but i try very hard to remember to defend not only the unborn life, but the life affected by an unbearably difficult choice. this is a story and topic that in generally off limits, or hidden behind political and religious rhetoric. thank you for bringing it out so dialogue can occur. congrats on your professional success, and i am certain you are a fabulous mother. blessings.
Posted by Tim Dunn on 06/17/2009 at 09:23am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thank you for this post. I'm another one of the women who made the choice to have an abortion to keep my career options open. I'm bewildered that there haven't been more more "me too" comments on this blog as of yet, as you suggest, it's likely many women have made similar choices.
What do I think now? It was the right decision at the time. I was pregnant at 18 and drinking heavily. In the following five years I earned a Computer Science degree (I can't imagine doing that and caring for a newborn). From there I've had opportunities that led me to a great job in a great area.
Now I'm 35, it's been 17 years since my abortion and I've done enough therapy to realize I do want children and I'm concerned about my biological clock. I agree with Penelope that there's never the perfect time to have children when you have a career and maybe I would have achieved it all even if I had had the baby, but it's hard to imagine that life. Instead I'm happy to be moving forward with the healthiest relationship of my life and seeing where that leads.
Thank you again. I wish I felt free to blog about this.
Posted by BJ on 06/17/2009 at 09:34am | permalink | Reply to this comment
@BJ, I've never had an abortion to protect my career. However, I've always been extremely careful not to get pregnant for a number of reasons, including career. It's not quite the same thing, but I can understand where you are coming from.
Posted by Caitlin on 06/18/2009 at 02:08pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I am turning 35 this year and got pregnant at 19 and had just broken up with my fiance. I decided to have my daughter and within a few years, I had a Computer Information Systems degree. It was an incredibly difficult time though not impossible. Now, at the age of 34, married, financially stable and with two kids, I'm more likely to consider the options because it's not a path I want to go down again. We've taken extreme measures to prevent this from happening but if it did, I would have to consider my options. As you say, I think I made the right choice then and this would be my choice now.
Posted by Shannon on 06/18/2009 at 07:31pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
you. me. same boat.
Posted by Heather on 06/21/2009 at 11:52am | permalink | Reply to this comment
You have already gotten enough comments on the abortion itself and will undoubtedly get more. I don't care if your story about the abortions is true or not, you've hit on some good points, which I think are the crux of the working parent discussion/dilemma. They are:
(1) It doesn’t matter whether you have kids now or later, because they will always make your career more difficult. There is no time in your life when you are so stable in your work that kids won’t create an earthquake underneath that confidence.
(2)[T]here is not a perfect time to have kids.
Although the tide is shifting a bit–or media wants us to think it is–the responsibility of rasing kids still rests primarily on the woman's shoulders. She's the one whose career will "suffer." She's the one who has to figure out the perfect or imperfect timing of pregnancy. She's the one who gets alternately praised and criticized for her decisions.
The other thing to remember, though, is that eventually kids grow up and live their own lives. And we all are living longer, healthier, more productive lives, so there's plenty of time for a career (or a dozen careers!) if you want. This sounds a lot more exciting to me than toiling for 50 years at the same drudge work for my entire life.
A good book on this is "The Comeback" by Emma Gilby Keller http://www.thecomebackbook.com/. It's not preachy and it has some inspirational stories featuring real women who have had careers, given them up for family and come back…better than ever.
Posted by JB on 06/17/2009 at 09:34am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Very difficult topic. It sounds like you've forgiven yourself and have learned a lot from the difficult choices you made and the experiences that followed. Whether that's true or not, please know that the God who created you loves you: always has, always does, and always will. Nothing you can do will ever change that.
Posted by Michael on 06/17/2009 at 09:36am | permalink | Reply to this comment
This is why I read your blog. Great post. Keep it up.
Posted by S on 06/17/2009 at 09:41am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, Thank you for your honesty and sharing your story. Your point is clear that an abortion is hard and there isn't a perfect time to have kids. It's not as though you have answers but rather your pertinent experience, that so many women can relate to. Unfortunately, women remain silent on these issues instead of sharing, understanding and discussing their options and past decisions.
Posted by Grace on 06/17/2009 at 09:43am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Wow. I am a new reader and this is a well-written post. I commend you for telling such a personal story.
There is no easy time to be a parent. I have not had an abortion so I can only imagine the pressure you must have been under to make the best choice you could at the time. I have two kids and I’m going through a painful divorce—if I've learned anything it's that life throws you curves.
Work provides a kind of stability and balance to my home life. I'm a better mother because of my career choices.
Posted by January on 06/17/2009 at 09:45am | permalink | Reply to this comment
This is the best entry that I have read from you in a long time.
Thank you for your honesty with this. I can't believe how many women dared to give you assvice. Do you feel resentful over that? Do you think you were bullied into having an abortion? Having an abortion should be a personal decision and your mother honestly, sounds very intrusive and pushy.
I never had one, but I did wait too long to have kids in the name of my two careers (dance and software development). And honestly, I've made much bigger strides in my software development career since I've had my son. The dance improved on many levels, but I've still to get back in the shape I was before.
I am sorry I waited so long to have kids.
Posted by ioana on 06/17/2009 at 09:55am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I had an abortion before I had a career. That baby would have had a very unhappy life with a very unhappy mother and an absent father. Now, I have a career and relationship that can support a happy child, with happy parents in a loving relationship. No regrets.
Posted by hayley on 06/17/2009 at 09:56am | permalink | Reply to this comment
My son stopped moving for 48 hours in the middle of my wife's pregnancy (it turns out because he'd shifted positions). For 24 hours we wondered if we'd lost him. I was astounded by how connected we both felt to him even at 12 weeks. Just before we had the ultrasound that showed he was fine, my wife burst into tears over worry that he was dead. Even just writing this now is difficult.
Having said that, I can really appreciate the wrenching emotions that must accompany any woman's (couple's) decision to abort. We should all strive to be understanding rather than condemning of anyone who finds themselves making this difficult decision. Life decisions are difficult enough without people around us constantly judging not just our actions (which we could argue is fine) but we who make them (which is not).
Posted by Alex @ Happiness in this World on 06/17/2009 at 10:02am | permalink | Reply to this comment
It seems that people always see the the black and white of a situation. Either they believe you killed a baby or they believe that you protected your future by having an abortion. What some may not realize is that you weren't just protecting your future, but that of the child you may of had. Abortion is not an easy subject, but it is something that happens everyday.
I have been on the pro-life side and on the pro-choice life. For me I believe Pro-Choice is the best. I hate to say this, but if my mother would have thought of me or my siblings when she got pregnant then there would have been several lives saved. My mother had three children that she could not support, one she gave up for adoption and she turned out to be a Meth addict, one she gave to his father and he is now in jail after a drunk driving accident that put someone in a wheelchair, and then she kept me. We lived in group homes, cars and shelters I ended up being on my own at 15 and have had struggles.
I am doing fine for myself, but I do wonder what the world be like if my mother had aborted any of us. Would her life have been better?
No abortion is not the answer to unplanned pregnancy, but ultimately the choice is up to the person that is pregnant. Who are we to judge and who are we to tell P that she is a bad person. I applaud her and I think that she is brave for admitting her past.
I can't say that if I was in her position that I wouldn't have made the same decisions she did.
You have a lifetime follower in me P!!! Keep challenging the expected and expanding our minds.
Posted by Nicole Leach on 06/17/2009 at 10:05am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Your comment reminds me of the part of Freakonomics by Steven Levitt and Stephen Dubner where they write about the connection between the legalization of abortion and the lowering rate of violent crime.
That said, you've overcome a lot. Best of luck.
Posted by JB on 06/17/2009 at 10:20am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Levitt and Dubner were wrong, and have been forced to admit it.
http://www.isteve.com/abortion.htm
Posted by Andrew in Toronto on 2009-06-17 14:44:47 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
I commend you for this honest and timely article. For me, it is the self-flagellating ending that I found so uncomfortable to read. I am sorry that you seem to still have a hard time making peace with your decisions. I suspect that I may be much older than yourself and my opinions are more in tune with your scrappy mother's view of options for women and their children, but the truth is, everyone's situation is different. What I am very glad that you shared however, is that this is rarely a decision that is made lightly and it definitely leaves scars of shame and sadness.
Posted by LA on 06/17/2009 at 10:13am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, people who love your blog love it because you're blunt and don't mince words, so I'm going to do that, too.
You wrote, "People think abortion is such an easy choice–they say, 'Don’t use abortion as birth control.' Any woman who has had one will tell you how that is such crazy talk."
Why is that "crazy talk"? You used TWO abortions as birth control, merely to maintain your lifestyle. Neither one was necessary for your health or the baby's. It was apparently an agonizing decision both times, but both times you came down on the side of killing someone else rather than accepting a change in your life.
I'm glad you think about it a lot, and I appreciate the underlying message of your post. However, it's a logical fallacy to believe that a woman's emotional agony before or after an abortion justifies the abortion. Yeah, it's hard on the woman–but she doesn't die.
Posted by Jane Greer on 06/17/2009 at 10:15am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Jane, although I can't speak for Penelope, I don't think she's trying to make the point that her emotional agony justified the abortion. I believe she was just trying to describe what the decision was like for her (and frankly, for many other women). If she was trying to make any point with her description of the emotions she experienced upon making this decision, it was that abortion is never an easy choice for the pregnant woman–which seems to be a common misconception among some pro-lifers. Women who have abortions or who want to have the right to have abortions are not soulless, heartless, emotionless, un-thinking individuals.
Posted by Meridith Levinson on 06/17/2009 at 12:29pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Meredith: No, of course, "Women who have abortions or who want to have the right to have abortions are not soulless, heartless, emotionless, un-thinking individuals." HOWEVER, they're focused on themselves and their emotions to the exclusion of anything and anyone else.
More to the point, though, WHO CARES about these women's emotions? Emotions come and go. What we're talking about is dead babies who will never be allowed to have ANY emotions. Yes, babies. They're not tricycles. They're not puppies. They're human babies. We were all fetuses once, and we're here having this conversation ONLY because the first nine months of our lives were respected as much as the following years.
And by the way (this is not for you, Meredith, but for some other commenters here): why is it that PT is "brave" for talking about her abortions but those of us who disagree with her are "nut cases" and "wackos"? A couple of weeks ago, lots of people disagreed with her theory that bloggers don't need to tell readers when they're being paid to write about a product; those people didn't get called names by other commenters. Is it only "wacko" to disagree on the subject of abortion?
Posted by Jane Greer on 2009-06-17 15:21:51 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
"I want to tell you something: You don’t need to get an abortion to have a big career. Women who want big careers want them because something deep inside you drives you to change the world, lead a revolution, break new barriers.
"It doesn’t matter whether you have kids now or later, because they will always make your career more difficult. There is no time in your life when you are so stable in your work that kids won’t create an earthquake underneath that confidence."
I hope people actually read the crux of your message and think about it rather than get into the usual debates about abortion. That is too much to ask of some people though.
Posted by Lance Haun on 06/17/2009 at 10:16am | permalink | Reply to this comment
For me talking about career guidance cannot and should not be the focus when abortion spawned the discussion. It would be like talking about whether or not the blue shirt was a good choice when watching a news report about the mobs in Iran right now. The sub points, although good for another discussion, are irrelevant when more promient and important issue is the main topic.
Posted by Jackie M. on 06/17/2009 at 10:26am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I don't think abortion spawned the discussion though. I think the intersection of life and career did and abortion and children are certainly a factor in life.
People can debate abortion politics all day and never convince a single person to change their mind. It is fruitless.
Posted by Lance Haun on 2009-06-17 11:45:57 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
How horrible. Fetus feels pain at 10 weeks.
You must have been in a great of pain as well. I don't know if blogging helps, but please know there is healing available.
Me and my ex had two abortions when we were young. ALL advice was to abort — no, I don't think I'd even call it advice, more like every voice we heard was to abort. And we never honestly opened our minds to allow our consciences to give us much advice either. We never talked about them afterward. But I don't think we ever stopped thinking about the babies.
When the divorce hit, the abortions were the last thing on our minds, but now looking back, they were the purple poopy elephant in the middle of the living room of our marriage.
Thanks for casting a light on the elephant, even for a few brief seconds.
God, have mercy on us and on the whole world.
Posted by Tators, Precious on 06/17/2009 at 10:17am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Reading this post made me sick to my stomach. Two of my sisters are unable to have children due to a condition they were born with. My oldest sister, who is engaged, would give anything to have just one child. And then there are people, such as yourself, that take for granted the gift that they've been given.
Did it not cross your mind that there were loving parents wanting to adopt your child? That you could have given him or her life, and yet continued with your own? Or was it just easier to end it when the baby is small so you didn't have to dwell on the consequences of your actions? An unplanned pregancy is difficult. But there are alternate options as well.
So often people that are against abortion are called names and judged because they see this "choice" as taking a life. I guess I'm willing to be called those names in order to stand for those that can't protect themselves.
If you are unwilling to face the consequences of sex, which is having a child, then don't have it. Or choose to deal with those consequences in another way, such as adoption.
The usual response to this is that it's hard to give a baby up. But it's easier to kill it? I really don't follow the logic here.
You say, "The boyfriend asked me if I was aware that my abortion would be basically illegal in seven more days." This is the biggest flaw in the pro-abortion movement. At 11:59pm your baby is legal to be aborted, but just one minute later it becomes a baby and it is then illegal to abort it? When will we stop playing God and making up rules as to when life exists versus when it's not. It's the unknowns of when this line is drawn that should lead us to outlaw abortion altogether.
My question back to you: when does your baby become a baby? Is it at 12:00 after the magic day has passed (as decided by your state's legislature)? Is it when the legs have been delivered? Is it when the head has been delivered? What is the magic day, hour, or minute? If you cannot answer that question, then how can you say you did not kill your children?
Although I agree with most feminist viewpoints, I cannot associate myself with that group because of their pro-abortion stance. Instead of focusing on real issues, like 1 of every 4 women getting assulted in her lifetime, they continue to put abortion at the front. That somehow taking a life of your child makes you more of a woman.
Posted by Jackie M. on 06/17/2009 at 10:19am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Life begins when it is self supporting. A fetus capable of life outside the womb should not be aborted, but delivered. Before that – there is potential for life, but it is dependent on the goodwill of the owner of the uterus.
Think this is harsh? How about all the people who die waiting for kidney transplants, marrow transplants and blood transfusions. Their lives are just as sacrosanct as any fetus – yet we would never force someone to give up their kidney, their bone marrow, or even their blood to save someone else's life. We can urge them to – tell them its the right thing to do, tell them we will support them through the procedure – but we cannot FORCE them.
Why? Because one of the most basic human rights is the right to control what happens to one's own body. If you cannot force the donation of blood, you certainly cannot force the use of a uterus.
Posted by Susan on 06/17/2009 at 11:05am | permalink | Reply to this comment
This is called the "Bad Samaritan" argument, and I think is one of the most legitimate legal arguments in this country right now.
Posted by M.D. on 2009-06-18 10:08:40 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
So you're saying an infant is "self supporting" life and does not need a mother or care to live? True, if we left infants by themselves, they would live until a normal age. All of us, after all, are so completely independent that we are altogether unlike fetuses.
Posted by fool on 2009-07-18 02:44:25 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
This is simply untrue if it were so as soon as someone is rendered paraplegic after an accident you would classify them as dead? Why do people mourn a miscarriage; if it is not for the loss of an eagerly awaited child?
The truth is at the moment of coception the wonder of a new human being entering the world has begun and the sad thing is so many of them are executed in the womb.
We live in unnatural times for it goes totally against Nature for a female to kill her young The natural instinct of a mother is to defend her young to the death.
Posted by M on 2010-01-27 02:02:52 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
As a woman who is adopting a child, I find your statement ridiculous. Women who get pregnant and have abortions aren't denying me a child.
Honestly, you NEED to talk to your sisters before you blab their personal fertility details on the internet. I would be mortified if someone in my family wrote such personal stuff about me!!
My guess is that Penelope's child wouldn't even meet your sisters' adoption standards. Ask your sisters what their qualifications are for their adoption. They're probably like most couples who only want "perfect" babies. This means no exposure to alcohol or drugs. Want to bet that since Penelope didn't know she was pregnant, she probably had a few beers. Meaning that your sisters wouldn't even have considered her babies. If Penelope ever took an anti-depressant then your sisters wouldn't want her baby because of what's called an "exposure to mental health issues." If Penelope's children would have had any signs of a disability at birth, your sisters wouldn't have wanted her baby, either. It's much more likely that Penelope's aborted children would have been placed in foster care than adopted … just letting you know.
Now, your sisters might be open to alcohol and drug exposures, exposures to mental health issues, and children with disabilities with their adoptions … but most couples adopting in the US aren't. (And dear LORD please don't put it up on the internet what their actual preferences are because it's NOT YOUR STORY TO SHARE.)
People who are adopting want to adopt children whose birth parents made the choice to put the children up for adoption.
Posted by Erin on 06/17/2009 at 11:41am | permalink | Reply to this comment
P referred to what she did as 'killing the baby'. So your argument and questions to her on 'when does life begin, when does a baby become a baby' seems a bit out of place in regards to her post as she is not arguing that point.
And I can see asking a woman who is currently pregnant and considering an abortion if she has also considered adoption, but what is the point of asking someone years after the fact?
You talk about the alternatives of unplanned pregnancy – adoption, having the child and abortion are all options and all of them have consequences. Just because you don't care for one doesnt make it any less of an option.
Posted by J on 06/17/2009 at 12:09pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
wow Jackie, very well put. I couldn't have said it any better. There are always so many options before someone has to die. And in terms of when a 'fetus' becomes a 'person' – 4 year old children can't even take care of themselves yet. Does this mean they aren't fully people either?
Posted by E on 06/17/2009 at 12:45pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
i'm pro-life, but I think you're blinded by your passion here, Jackie. Penelope admits that it was a baby she was killing. "My question back to you: when does your baby become a baby?" I don't think she is confused about that. One reason it is so hard to talk about subjects like this is that people stop listening to what others are saying because they think their point is more important.
Thank you for your honesty, Penelope.
Posted by Janet on 06/17/2009 at 03:14pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
So all women who can bear children have to take responsibility for the fact that your sisters can't? Grow up.
Posted by TKB on 06/17/2009 at 10:40pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
If you're against abortions, don't have one.
Posted by Noah on 06/17/2009 at 11:00pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Jackie M. I think that you mis-spoke. When you said pro-abortion, you meant to say pro-choice. Just as instead of saying that people are "pro-life", they should simply be referred to as anti-abortion.
Posted by Emily on 06/18/2009 at 09:05am | permalink | Reply to this comment
My question back to you: when does your baby become a baby?
How about when it can live on its own outside of my body? That definition works well for me.
Posted by abdpbt on 06/19/2009 at 05:56pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Jackie M., beautiful post!! I agree 100%! My oldest sister is having trouble becoming pregnant and she is 40. She may never get to have a child. Adoption is a selfless, life-affirming choice that saves a life a creates or expands a family. Abortion kills.
Posted by Becca on 10/03/2009 at 10:39am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Okay, I read this post and was totally disgusted and grossed out but I came back to post a comment at the risk of being late for my 11:00 appointment.
First off, Here's a bit of reality: No woman ever gets pregnant unless she wants to at some level. It's a truism we don't want to admit and I know this from firsthand experience and 20 years of close observation. If you didn't want to get pregnant you would have avoided sex or used birth control in the first place. Unless you're living in a religious compound or are an underage minor in a tragic situation, you as a woman have complete control over your reproductive organs.
Second – and here's what everyone is thinking but is afraid to point out about this post. You had 2 abortions and now have 2 children with special needs? My heart breaks for you because clearly you must be a tortured soul. I'll leave it at that.
For some reason as I age I'm getting more militant in my views. I never had strong feelings against abortion until I was unexpectedly pregnant at 40 with a very successful career. I say unexpectedly, but I knew unprotected sex was risky and was totally in love with a great man who also knew the consequences of unprotected sex. We both wanted a baby but would never consciously make that decision so fate and our actions made it for us. The best accident we ever had is 3 years old and has totally changed our lives in a way words can't explain. Yes, I gave up my career for motherhood after she was born and cut my monthly expenses from $20k to $6k in order to do it. So long BMW but for all the right reasons. During the pregnancy experience I saw what happens as life develops and have 6 months of grainy pictures to prove it. Since then I can't even wrap my mind around why anyone would want to have an abortion. Women – and this includes teenagers – have the obligation to themselves and society to wise up about birth control and make better decisions that are in line with their values, career goals and financial situation before playing sperm-roulette.
Posted by A on 06/17/2009 at 10:22am | permalink | Reply to this comment
"No woman ever gets pregnant unless she wants to at some level"
That's just bullshit. Rape victims? Developmentally disabled adults in group homes? Helloooo?
This is biology, not that "The Secret" crap. You can't will a pregnancy (ask any infertile woman).
I debated whether to subscribe to the comments. I think I shouldn't have.
Posted by Kerry on 06/17/2009 at 10:27am | permalink | Reply to this comment
BS. Every heard of failure rates? Even the pill has an 8% yearly failure rate in practice.
Posted by F on 06/17/2009 at 10:34am | permalink | Reply to this comment
A – Exactly how do you expect women to have intimate relationships with men without sex? You've confused "wanting to have sex (and the high level of intimacy that comes with it)" with "wanting to have a baby". Absolutely not true. You can be profoundly in love with someone, commit yourself to spending the rest of your life with them – and still not want to have a baby, with them, or with anyone else.
Or in the case of some married women who have had abortions – not want to have ANOTHER baby with them.
Posted by Susan on 2009-06-17 10:55:55 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
"No woman ever gets pregnant unless she wants to at some level."
I'm sorry, but I find that really hard to believe. Do you mean also while using birth control?
"It's a truism we don't want to admit and I know this from firsthand experience and 20 years of close observation."
What kind of observation was that? Did you select women randomly from a population and ask them these questions? Did you ask women who have gotten abortions whether they wanted to get pregnant? Did you ask women who have never gotten pregnant whether they never wanted to get pregnant? Or is it based on anecdotal evidence of observations of those around you?
Posted by Irina I on 06/17/2009 at 10:51am | permalink | Reply to this comment
It sounds as if from your story that at 40 years old with lots of life experience and options in your life the pregnancy has turned out to be a blessing?
Yes you had to "give up" a lot of material comforts but you had been given the option to create them in the first place. That is one of the points of Penelope's post.
You are viewing the whole situation from your own exclusive perspective. Even at 40 years old with all your "20 years of close observation" have you been unable to cultivate any empathy for other people's situations? And I dare say you will offend women out there that are genuinely trying to have a baby and are unable to fall pregnant for what ever reason.
Posted by Gerty on 06/17/2009 at 05:34pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
The comment above was directed at "A"
Posted by Gerty on 2009-06-17 17:35:58 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
Wow, I keep thinking I've read the most wackadoo response but the ante keeps getting upped. No woman ever gets pregnant without wanting to? Are you fucking kidding me? How fertile are you? Or, rather, how prudish are you? Because if you are very fertile, let me assure you, at some point your contraception WILL FAIL. So the choice is to not have sex at all, which I cannot imagine anyone would recommend as a viable option or even an ideal for which to strive, or to deal with unplanned pregnancy.
It's one thing when the whackadoo men come on here and say this crap, but women doing it is repulsive.
Posted by abdpbt on 06/19/2009 at 06:04pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thank you for posting this. I also had two abortions and I felt exactly the same way you did – both times.
I'm going to be 30 next year and I sometimes wonder if my choices (the decision for my career and against kids) will determine how my life is gonna be. I'm scared not to have kids at all and live a lonely but successful career woman life.. Thats probably not true but the thought lingers.
Thank you for sharing your story! Whoever can't take the realness behind this needs to keep it moving.
Posted by Anja on 06/17/2009 at 10:26am | permalink | Reply to this comment
What I'm impressed with is the honesty in this post regarding the pressure from external forces and extremely mixed feelings in regard to these abortions. While I wouldn't call myself 'pro-life' as I don't want to associate myself with those people, I don't like abortion, and I don't think it's something I could have done myself (and thus made every effort to not be in that position!), I've found myself feeling angry and judgemental at times when I've heard or read the opinions of some staunchly 'pro-choice' women who seem to glorify the right to abortion to some sick level where they appear to revel in the act of ending a fetus' life. However, when I read an honest and sincere testimony to the difficulty and regrets that come with the choice of abortion, it softens my heart and reminds me that abortion is not as black-and-white for most women as those people in the extreme portions of this debate would like it to be.
Penelope, if there is anything good I have learned from reading your blog, it is that I should not wait for the perfect time to have children in regards to my career. Thanks for all of your honesty about your personal life, it's really invaluable.
Posted by SL on 06/17/2009 at 10:27am | permalink | Reply to this comment
If you look at the data, 60+% of the abortions in this country are of college age women who abort their babies in very similar circumstances.
It isn't for the health of the mother.
It isn't because of rape or incest.
It is to preserve the idealized vision of career potential coupled with lack of emotional and financial support from the father and extended family.
Conception takes place within the context of recreational sex between two people "playing house" together, without a mature recognition of what sex is and what it is for and what it demands of us.
Our culture is consumerist in its approach to sex, relationships, life meaning and life itself.
Your story is not unique, it is really very typical. Know this, a civilization can not stand for long on this as a foundation.
Posted by Columcille on 06/17/2009 at 10:27am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Wow, the spokesperson for sex AND civilization! You must be very busy!
I'll tell you what, when civilization crumbles, feel free to say you told us so. Seriously, were you expecting to change anyone's mind with this tripe?
Posted by Noah on 06/17/2009 at 11:24pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Made the same choice 3 years ago now. Every now and then, the reality of the choice hits me: seeing a newborn, watching my friend's child grow who is the same age that my baby would have been. The other realities of my choice present themselves as well: a BA, a successful start to a career, an end of that earlier relationship, a greater disposable income, and I am sure, more to come. Doubtless, I would be happy and successful with a 3 year old; however, my life would look very different than it does now. There are a lot of us out there, it is time we shared our stories. Thank you.
Posted by Nat on 06/17/2009 at 10:30am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I have been reading and enjoying your blog for a while but never posted before now. Thank you for posting about a subject that is normally so secretive. Many, many women in America have abortions – 1, 2, or more – and very few talk about it. I have worked at feminist organizations for many years, including working with women who need abortions, and one thing I have learned for sure – no one else can decide for you how to handle a pregnancy. I don't think anyone who has not been in the situation can say honestly what they would do or how they would feel if they were pregnant and didn't want to be.
I also appreciate the earlier comment that said "no regrets." Many women are confident that they made the best choice to have an abortion – best for themselves, their spouses, their families, their children…although it is not an easy choice it is often the best one, made for good reasons.
Posted by M on 06/17/2009 at 10:35am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thank you for sharing this with us.
I, too, have had an abortion, but my story is somewhat different. I never felt like I was killing a baby and I've never had any regrets. Yes, the procedure itself was unpleasant. But, for me, nothing was worse than the moment I found out I was pregnant.
Posted by j on 06/17/2009 at 10:35am | permalink | Reply to this comment
My experience was the same. I never felt bad for it afterward but I hated being in that situation in the first place. I cried when I found out I was pregnant and hated that I'd have to get an abortion, but absolutely knew that this was the right thing.
I now have a child with the same guy as the aborted pregnancy, and having that child under different and better circumstances only underscores that I did the right thing.
Posted by a on 06/19/2009 at 06:10pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I too had an abortion at the age of 27 (and yes, I was on birth control. Newsflash – no method is 100% effective). I did not have an abortion to "save my career" – I had one because I believe I am totally unsuited to raising children. 13 years (and no children) later, I still believe this to be true. Parenting a child requires certain abilities, personality traits – and above all, an enthusiasm for the job. To become a parent while lacking any of the capabilities necessary to be a good one is profoundly irresponsible.
thanks for tackling such a difficult topic.
Posted by Susan on 06/17/2009 at 10:38am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
My heart is saddened for you and your loss(es)…know that you and all the post-abortive women who've posted here will be in my prayers today.
I think it is necessary for pro-choice women to read eachother's statements and understand they are not alone in their pain and silent suffering. I also applaud you for calling abortion what it is…the killing of a child and the wounding of a woman.
For anyone who is interested, here is a resources for post-abortive women to seek healing: http://www.rachelsvineyard.org/
And more stories from women who have been through this terrible ordeal.
http://www.silentnomoreawareness.org/
Peace and blessings to you and all.
Posted by Mickey on 06/17/2009 at 10:57am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thank you for providing this information.
Posted by Tators Precious on 06/17/2009 at 03:54pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Wow, this is an extremely powerful post and look how many women it resonated with!
Notice that, to this point, most of the negative and bashing comments about abortion are coming from men (I think 2 men vs. 1 woman). Which makes me think of a class I had on images of women in French cinema, where we saw all these films where women are often feared by men. I feel like those basher male readers view you as an uncontrollable fury (an image which I really love…by the way :-)) and are threatened by that.
Which is not to say that I think all male readers on this blog are like that (little disclaimer). I was very happy to see a lot of supportive posts from both genders.
Finally, look at how many women are thanking you for this post! It is truly a great one and you have touched many women with it.
Posted by Irina I on 06/17/2009 at 11:00am | permalink | Reply to this comment
If this post has an underlying message, it's this: "feelings" don't necessarily reflect reality.
One woman here said that she's had an abortion but didn't "feel" as if she were killing a baby. Hmmm. I don't "feel" that this twelfth mohito will make me drunk, so it won't, right?
Another woman writes that she had an abortion because she was totally unfit to be a mother. It's nice that she recognized that, but the reality was that if she had stopped thinking about herself for a while, her child could have had ANOTHER mother–an adoptive, loving, competent one.
Arguments in favor of "choice" focus solely on the woman's immediate "feelings" but don't point out that feelings come and go while reality is with us always.
Posted by Jane Greer on 06/17/2009 at 11:17am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm the one who feels I would not be a good parent.
Yes, I was thinking about myself.
Yes, it would have been very generous of me to go through pregnancy and allow another woman to raise the baby. As generous as someone who donates a kidney to save a stranger's life.
I'm not that generous. And no, you can't force me to be. Anymore than you can force someone to donate a kidney if they don't wish to.
Yes, when it comes to my body – my feelings DO count.
Posted by Susan on 06/17/2009 at 11:47am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Exactly!
Feelings, thoughts, reason – it doesn't matter the word choice. You did what you wanted with your body, and that's your decision to make. It's your life.
I once looked into being a marrow donor after finding out how much they are needed to save living, conscious people. It turns out it's nothing like donating blood! I feel a little guilty for not being generous enough to do it, but it's my choice to make. We do not owe our bodies or time to others.
Posted by Klaire on 2009-06-18 07:14:51 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
What guarantee does any woman have, should she decide to go through with a pregnancy and give the baby up for adoption, that it will be a) adopted in the the first place and b) adopted by a "loving, competent" mother? You are living in a dream world. In this country prospective adopters only want perfect babies, as another poster noted. They will travel to Russia, China, or Korea for a healthy baby, before they adopt one here that has even the slightest issue. If the aborted fetuses in Penelope's case had turned out to have even the slightest "defects," they would likely NOT have been adopted.
Posted by Francine on 06/18/2009 at 10:36am | permalink | Reply to this comment
It is simply not true that couples are not willing to adopt babies that are not perfect. There are waiting lists for those seeking to adopt children with Down syndrome.
Posted by Mags on 2009-07-09 23:38:27 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
Don't advocate adoption unless you have first hand knowledge of the trauma suffered by the adoptee FOR LIFE. Adoption IS NOT always the answer!
Posted by Betty on 10/07/2009 at 11:34am | permalink | Reply to this comment
As a 25 year-old navigating the first steps in my career and thinking about the big Future Decisions (e.g., kids v. no kids) I really appreciated your insight on this topic. Thank you for sharing your story and point of view so frankly – I will always remember this post.
Posted by Hillary on 06/17/2009 at 11:17am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I thing there may be a generational thing here too. I'm about the same age as you P, and when I got pg at 29 I honestly thought abortion was the only option. It certainly had been the path taken by several of my friends, usually with the support of their mothers.
Fortunately for me (and my son who will be celebrating his tenth birthday this weekend) my boyfriend (now husband) was very definite about wanting to keep the baby. For some reason I had assumed he would run scared, but he didn't!
Now I wonder what my reaction would be if my daughter came home pg at any age – and I think my response would be "keep it, we'll work it out".
We were raised by women who saw motherhood as a trap and abortion as a much needed way out. With a huge amount of thanks to the work they did opening doors for us, I don't think we're as likely to see motherhood and career as mutually exclusive.
Posted by Carol on 06/17/2009 at 11:18am | permalink | Reply to this comment
"We were raised by women who saw motherhood as a trap"
Carol, you raise an excellent point that needs to be emblazoned in bold, written about and put on billboards. Some of the greatest roles (wife and mother) a woman can undertake in life have been degraded quite a bit in popular culture/among women.
Yet, this is less true today than ever before. PT, was fed a lie by her mother and other women, and her post basically says that. A marriage and children will present challenges to your career that a single, childless woman doesn't face (TRUE), but it is not the career-ender, trap, etc., that it is often presented as. Therefore, I think a lot of women "may" be having abortions under somewhat false pretenses…which I think is sort of what P is saying?
Posted by Dara on 06/17/2009 at 02:20pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
this is a good point
Posted by Kay Frommelt on 06/18/2009 at 11:03am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I found it breath-taking that Penelope would write about her abortions. Many of my Gen. Jones peers made this difficult choice but it remains closely guarded information. If more real-life stories were told, maybe the endless, spiral, polarizing debate about abortion would improve.
There is long term psychic pain whether one chooses abortion or gives a baby up for adoption. The emotional toll can also involve the father. An unwanted pregnancy often destroys a relationship. It makes the partners aware of the profundity of sexual intimacy in a society that condones hookups. Sex as a recreational activity ignores this human dimension.
The woman who wrote about her own decision at age 40 to become a mother was insightful and made me realize that the situation has fundamentally changed for younger women. Having a baby no longer means the end of a career. The workplace has changed and in doing so become more accommodating. In the late 70s and early 80s, having a baby out of wedlock usually led to harsh consequences and severely truncated opportunities for higher education and professional work.
I have often wondered by Penelope and younger women appear so determined to bear and raise children when their interests and circumstances are not condusive to the task. Now I have an insight. They benefit from changed attitudes and laws and enjoy the support of their mothers or both parents. Their partners assume a larger share of the childcare work and enjoy knowing their children.
We cant go back to a recent, barbaric time when women risked their lives to abort. Women will continue to need abortion for a wide variety of reasons in the US. In other cultures the ethics of abortion are different. The debate is about sex selection. Where there is inadequate birth control, many women are compelled to abort multiple times. Choices have expanded for this generation. They can choose to raise a child alone without bucking convention. Abortion is a decision that must not be made by a partner or parent. Fortunately the stigma of illegitimate birth is a thing of the past and in many situations a woman can count on the support of her partner and workplace as she embarks on motherhood.
Posted by Kay Frommelt on 06/18/2009 at 12:11pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm another in the list of long time readers, first time commenters. I just wanted to say thank you for this post. I have always appreciated your honesty and candor…
I have never had an abortion. I use various methods of birth control and have been in a committed relationship for many years with the same great guy. But I recognize that no method of birth control is 100% effective. And this is a conversation my boyfriend and I have had. Because we both know enough to know it is always a possibility. And the answer in our heads is that although we're both pro-choice, we don't know what we'd do. Abortion is a difficult, gut-wrenching choice. I don't think adoption is any less of one. And keeping a child we aren't equipped to support or parent in the way we would want to seems selfish to us and detrimental to the child. The reality, I think, is how can you know what you'd do with certainty if it hasn't happened to you?
Thank you for articulating the difficulty of one of the options in a series of choices I hope I never have to make.
And thank you, too, for reminding us that there is no right time to have kids. There is no right time for anything in life. If you wait around for the perfect time for everything in life, you risk never doing anything.
Posted by bfg on 06/17/2009 at 11:21am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Someone said it beautifully here:
Let's apply that to everything. Commerce shouldn't only revolve around men and their reproductive cycles. And the guilt that people feel changes from country to country. The US is notorious for placing guilt on women and how they choose to control their own bodies, while telling the world that they're the "Land of the Free" and the "best country on the planet". For greedy straight white christian men, yes. For everyone else, go to hell.
Posted by Kandeezie on 06/17/2009 at 11:32am | permalink | Reply to this comment
oh thank you for expressing this so clearly!
as a gen-xer who grew up puzzled by these messages, it has only made my b.s. antennae more sensitive when it comes to hearing men (and the women they control) come down on PT for her honesty. they not only read whatever they want to, they are also more than ready to pounce upon anyone who admits they made a difficult and regrettable decision more than once in their lives.
these are the people who don't fill her shoes (or live in her potential), but are very ready to tell her that the solution is to carry to term a fetus that may not have any better life as an adoptee, nor are they offering this baby their home and sacrifices necessary to raising a well-adjusted adult. it's always someone else's job to do that.
these are the same people who think killing the abortioner is the answer, and that gay people have no right to marry and enjoy a legally-recognized family life.
yes, only in america do we fight to maintain the right to deny others their rights, as long as it suits our personal ideology–conflating their "love" for god (and interpreting his word) with their well-founded hate for humanity. why on earth are they lurking about on career blogs, anyway?
to dan, ms. greer, and others who spew nonsense guilt trips and "evidence" that god punishes your body when you abort, may someone, some day save your children from your ignorance.
Posted by thatgirlinnewyork on 06/24/2009 at 03:58pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I appreciate your honesty. I had an abortion the summer after my sophomore year in college ten years ago. I loved the father at the time but knew that we were not in it for the long haul. I faced raising a child in that atmosphere, quitting college to give birth and adopt amidst public scrutiny, or having an abortion. I had the abortion and never looked back. I do not sit and contemplate how old that child would be or what that child would look like today. I have no feelings of regret. Instead, I have a successful career, am finishing an advanced degree, and every night return home to a man that I love unconditionally and our beautiful 13 month old son. Life could not be better and I am at peace with MY choice.
Posted by Julie on 06/17/2009 at 11:32am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Having had an abortion when I was 20 as i didnt want to deal with a child when i felt so youg, you can imagine my devastation at now being infertile. Im 37 have been trying for 5 years with 3 failed IUIs 3 failed IVFS and 20,000euro lighter (blocked tubes, so no miracle baby possible) I now bitterly regret that abortion. all i know is that i would give anything or give up anything to have children. Career is so unimportant when you cant have family. When family, friends and neighbours get to have kids and you dont the pain is intolerable. You feel so left out,so disconnected. Now I work for myself for the simple reason that I can avoid having to listen to moms at work complain/boast/both about their offspring as I just might give go crazy. You are very lucky to have had 4 pregnancies (though you chose abortion for 2 of your babies) and then to have 2 kids in your late 30s. There are many thousands of women like me who can't gamble on waiting till their late 30s to have healthy children. So please be careful as for many women they leave it to late to get pregnant (our fertility drops from age 30, rapidly declining from age 35 and for many tey are infertile by age 38-40), be grateful for your own fertility and ability to have kids and career. Not all of us have that choice.
Posted by caroline on 06/17/2009 at 11:35am | permalink | Reply to this comment
adopt.. there are many unwanted children out there and you sound like someone who could provide the love they need.
Posted by funkright on 06/17/2009 at 11:40am | permalink | Reply to this comment
True Caroline, I bet most women who abort probably get what they have coming to them later on in life. It's simply justice. Either you want children later, end up with special needs children, or like my sister's friends, are stuck with nightmares of your infant coming at you with a knife in her hand.
I bet NARAL doesn't teach about that.
By the way, I know many who would love to adopt who can't have children and there is unlimited demand to adopt babies.
Posted by Dan on 06/17/2009 at 02:25pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
So, Dan, you think having a special needs kid is some sort of punishment?
Even if that characterization of millions of children were correct…what about people who have special needs children who haven't had an abortion? What sin are they being punished for?
And is the reverse true? When we see "perfect" children, should we infer that the parents earned those children by being perfect themselves?
I'm really interested in the logic here.
Posted by Kerry on 2009-06-17 14:33:00 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
Kerry, there is undisputed evidence that abortions make it more difficult to have healthy children. Sorry that your left wing "choice" at all costs public schooling didn't teach you that, but yes, you reap what you sow.
Personally, had my daughter been born with two heads, special needs, one eye, or whatever it wouldn't have mattered one iota to me, I love her for the wonderful gift that she is, not a choice at all.
Posted by Dan on 2009-06-17 15:57:07 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
Dan, I never made a "choice," so I'm not sure why you're casting aspersions here. I don't think I mentioned anything about my schooling either.
I just find it interesting that you think having a special needs kid is a punishment. You're essentially saying, "Hey, kid, you're messed up because your mom is a whore." Even if you're pro-life, characterizing a kid's struggle as a punishment for the parent is unkind at best.
I would say that there are probably other parents that also feel that their children are a gift, and don't appreciate having you characterize them as a burden, especially a burden that the parent deserved.
But I think it's unlikely you and I are going to come to an agreement here, so I'm going to go back to work.
Posted by Kerry on 2009-06-17 16:07:04 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
Dan: "Kerry, there is undisputed evidence that abortions make it more difficult to have healthy children."
Dan, care to provide a link or two to this undisputed evidence?
Posted by Jack on 2009-06-19 07:02:43 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
I bet most women who abort probably get what they have coming to them later on in life. It's simply justice. Either you want children later, end up with special needs children, or like my sister's friends, are stuck with nightmares of your infant coming at you with a knife in her hand.
None of those things happened to me. I had an abortion at 19, and at 25, had a wonderful child. She's not only healthy and beautiful, but smart. At 13, she's carrying a 3.8 GPA, has a ton of friends and is physically active. She hasn't gone hog-wild crazy over boys like some of her peers, and when she does think about a boy she might like, they are always "sweet geeks." (She doesn't seem to have inherited the "bad boy" thing from me!)
I have never regretted the abortion, and it was 20 years ago now.
Maybe you shouldn't paint with such a broad brush.
Posted by Ishtar on 2009-06-19 17:13:38 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
You sound pretty gleeful about the idea of something bad happening to another person. Hate is hate, whether you think you have a good reason or not. If you oppose abortion, well ok, that's your right. What you don't have, is the right to wish harm on someone else. The fact that you're using this issue to promote violence makes me question what's really going on. Do you really think someone can deserve "a special needs" child, and that's a punishment? For what, exactly?
Posted by Liz on 2009-06-20 13:23:44 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
Sorry Kerry, just saying that if you kill your baby, there are going to be penalties to pay, you reap what you sow. Sure, I think special needs kids are a blessing, but Penelope does not, so they are a hassle for her and I am not part of this feminine lovefest you are holding.
Thank God for conservatives or there wouldn't be any children, at least ones that aren't in jail, divorced or killing more babies.
Posted by Dan on 06/17/2009 at 04:58pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thank God for conservatives or there wouldn't be any children, at least ones that aren't in jail, divorced or killing more babies.
. . . or closeted homosexuals meeting in bathrooms in airports, or gay-bashings, or black men tied to trucks and dragged to death, or faux Crusades in the service of oil interests in the Middle East, or religious hypocrisy . . .
the list goes on and on, really.
Posted by abdpbt on 2009-06-19 18:23:59 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
BTW she never said she has special needs kids. You should apparently re-read her article.
Posted by Deseret Rousseau on 2009-06-22 14:34:53 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
sure, dan–just conservatives who decide to trip off to bueno aires for a fling, leaving a wife and four sons to founder–but at least he refused those stimulus funds!
while you're so quick to tell women how to lead their lives, why not begin your preaching with your own, morally-bereft brethren?
Posted by thatgirlinnewyork on 2009-06-24 16:07:05 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
while i'm sorry for your condition, it's very likely that your tubes were as blocked when you were 20 as they are now. how do you know you could have carried to term? women who can carry OR make the decision to abort don't owe you an apology, as bad as you feel. perhaps your revelation to have children should have come earlier in life, as most women who try to become pregnant after the age of 28 are considered older and at risk by medical science, and have for some time.
Posted by thatgirlinnewyork on 06/24/2009 at 04:12pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
After I read this line 'I got two abortions to preserve my career…' I almost jumped down to the comment section to tell you what a sick b*tch I thought you were..
but then I read the whole article.
My heart aches for your realization, after the fact, that the choice you made needn't have been the one.
Do your best by your children and trust that they'll have clearer opportunities where they will not be placed in the same position and with the same advice you received.
Posted by funkright on 06/17/2009 at 11:38am | permalink | Reply to this comment
From a comment above:
"If you are unwilling to face the consequences of sex, which is having a child, then don't have it. Or choose to deal with those consequences in another way, such as adoption."
So… people either don't have sex EVER unless they are ready to commit to a child OR have sex but only if they are committed to your preference of adoption?
Pro-choice or Pro-life… let me make this clear IT IS JUST YOUR OPINION. No one has the right to enforce their opinion on anyone else and yammering about it or berating a blog columnist will certainly change laws and make everyone see your point I'm sure.
Penelope, great post. It doesn't matter if I agree with your life choices or not (I believe a wise man once said… let he who has not sinned cast the first stone) I appreciate the fact that you write openly about your life and people are able to feel better/worse/anything after reading your blog. You make people think, feel emotion, react with your writing and that is what a good writer does.
Posted by Jessie on 06/17/2009 at 11:43am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Any woman who has had one will tell you how that is such crazy talk. Because an abortion is terrible. You never stop thinking about the baby you killed. You never stop thinking about the guy you were with when you killed the baby you made with him. You never stop wondering.
Bullshit. Complete and total bullshit. YOU felt that way, and I'm sorry for your suffering. But as another woman who has had an abortion – as a woman who has had an abortion and has never regretted it for a second, who honestly has to calculate mentally to figure out how many years ago it was, who only thinks about it when someone reminds me – don't you DARE try to tell me I've "never stopped thinking about the baby I killed." I didn't kill a baby. I stopped a pregnancy that would have resulted in a baby after nine months. Big damn difference. Kindly refrain from claiming to speak for all women who have had abortions. You don't have that right. Nobody does.
Posted by Jadelyn on 06/17/2009 at 11:59am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I saw Jadelyn's comment after posting and I must say I agree with her. Not all women are traumatized. And she's right, you didn't kill a baby and neither did she.
And we can't speak for anyone but ourselves.
Posted by Joselle on 06/17/2009 at 12:09pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
It's odd that you say we can't speak for anyone but ourselves and yet you say to PT "you didn't kill a baby."
There are obviously two very different opinions on this so don't speak for PT either.
Posted by Dara on 2009-06-17 14:49:06 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
I completely agree with Jadelyn's comment. Just because you, Penelope, are suffering through guilt as a result of your abortions does not mean that every woman who has ever had an abortion suffers the same guilt.
I think it is great that you opened up this sensitive topic on your blog. I think it has only a tenuous connection to the topic of your blog, at best, but I see where you're coming from. But to automatically assume that "every woman" who's had an abortion has the same feelings of guilt and regret that you have is going a little far; projection much? Since you've been through so much therapy, I assume you're familiar with that topic.
Posted by Ariella on 06/22/2009 at 03:38pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
"…I think it has only a tenuous connection to the topic of your blog, at best.."
There is a tenuous connection between my reply and your comment, but in answer to your thought here, the connection of the issue is not to the career aspect as much as it is to the brazen aspect.
Sometimes I wonder whether this was written to give career advice 'at the intersection of work and life', or whether it was to be a brazen post that would attract controversy and comments, and therefore readership. Given the trend of the past few blog postings, I am unfortunately inclined towards the latter.
Posted by Jack on 2009-06-22 16:07:04 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
I think Jadelyn sounds a little hostile and over-defensive. Maybe there's a little more feeling behind her abortions than she cares to admit.
Posted by AG on 2009-06-25 09:18:31 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
Penelope, thank you for sharing your story, even while knowing you would most likely get a shitstorm of judgmental comments.
For those who think you are exploiting your life and seeking attention, I don't see this post or any of your writing in that way at all. In fact, as a writer myself, I know there's probably lots you keep hidden and protected. We tell our stories because we have to. It's important for us to tell our stories–especially about abortion, pregnancy, and parenting–because some women find abortion traumatic, some women find it a relief and no one response is the right one. Abortion, pregnancy, and becoming a parent are things we all deal with on some level, either intimately or indirectly. And almost no one tells the truth about any of them.
Thank you for telling your truth.
Thank you also for saying that there is never a convenient time to have children. Really, there is never a convenient time to do anything that matters in life. It will always be a bomb going off in your life. Which is why you've just got to do what you want, realizing that means there are probably two or three other things you'll have to say no to in that moment.
Posted by Joselle on 06/17/2009 at 12:05pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Times have changed and I think those of us who came after the first wave of trailblazing women do have more options. There are more men that want an equal role in parenting, and I agree, if you want a career and children all you need is the will to do it.
So, the conversation needs to continue to be how do we reduce the number of abortions while leaving the right to have one in place? (and abstinence isn't it) And I think this is a conversation that those who are Pro-Choice are wanting to take on. The truth is somewhere in the middle.
Posted by nelking on 06/17/2009 at 12:06pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thank you for saying this nelking. Morally, I consider myself pro-life. But when you have over 1,000,000 abortions in the US each year, you just realize that making it illegal will not make abortion go away.
We all need to focus on is reducing the number of unplanned pregnancies that lead to abortion. That will require a multi-pronged approach.
I don't agree that abstinence isn't part of that approach. It most certainly needs to be. However, it certainly isn't the ONLY one.
Some countries, like the Netherlands, have managed to keep abortion BOTH LEGAL and RARE. That is what we need to do here in the US, as well.
Posted by mysticaltyger on 09/30/2009 at 10:48pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I wept when I read this. Almost thirteen years ago, in a city where I knew almost no one, I did NOT have the abortion. Instead, I freelanced for nine months, then drove myself to the hospital where I had the baby, alone. Later, I lost a few friends who wouldn't stop insisting I was ruining my career, even as the beautiful baby girl learned to walk and do the princess wave. A couple months ago, I lost my job, in a city where I know almost no one. A week later I wept while that beautiful girl — the one I shouldn't have had?— brought the house down as the star in her school's production of Annie. I still don't have any idea how I am going to support her. I just know that I'm always glad I didn't let anybody else choose for me.
This is the most important thing anybody has ever said on the subject of abortion and careers. "It doesn’t matter whether you have kids now or later, because they will always make your career more difficult. There is no time in your life when you are so stable in your work that kids won’t create an earthquake underneath that confidence." This time I wept because I don't understand why we are still pressured to equate families with ruined careers. Thank you for having the courage and the heart to be so frank with us.
Posted by Teresa Jay on 06/17/2009 at 12:10pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
"This time I wept because I don't understand why we are still pressured to equate families with ruined careers."
Very well said!
Posted by bill on 06/17/2009 at 12:32pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Amen, and how much do we ignore the scenarios of successful careers equating to ruined lives/families? Hence, "the intersection of work and life," eh?
Posted by Dara on 2009-06-17 15:19:33 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
As someone who can't have children, but desperately wanted to be a mother, this post made me sick to my stomach. I'm so glad that my daughter's birthmother chose making an adoption plan over an abortion.
I know you don't care, Penelope, but I have unsubscribed my self from your blog.
Posted by EG on 06/17/2009 at 12:12pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
People who get pregnant against their will are not the breeding sows for those who can't get pregnant.
Posted by Klaire on 06/18/2009 at 07:32am | permalink | Reply to this comment
>>People who get pregnant against their will are not the breeding sows for those who can't get pregnant.<<
Excellent.
Posted by ioana on 2009-06-18 16:09:03 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
Rape and incest victims may "get pregnant against their will." Those who have consensual sex gamble (knowing that birth control carries a risk of failure) and lose. It's like comparing a guy who lost his shirt in a poker game to a guy who was mugged. Neither one of them wanted to lose all their money, but the gambler is not an innocent victim.
Posted by Mags on 07/09/2009 at 11:48pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This is why I read your stuff – you aren't afraid to say what's on your mind. I applaud your honesty and bravery. Keep it up!
Posted by Alex on 06/17/2009 at 12:16pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Many women have had an abortion because of college or career goals. Interestingly, many of these drop out of college and fail to reach their career goals. Like you, women can't stop thinking about it, some more than others, leading to depression and destructive lifestyles. Abortion has a terrible impact on the individual, as shown by scientific research. Even the U.S. Supreme Court has acknowledged the harmful effects of abortion on women (Carhart v. Gonzales). Women are beginning to talk about what abortion has done to them now. Many will stuff their feelings, but a decade or more later it will haunt them. Many never tell anyone. They suffer in silence. Abortion changes you.
Posted by anne on 06/17/2009 at 12:18pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This isn't usually the case. Stop cherry-picking from poor studies just because they agree with you. Most studies show that there is no "post-abortion syndrome."
Posted by Klaire on 06/18/2009 at 07:34am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks for your honesty. Regardless of what side of this issue readers are on, it helps us understand one another when we hear such an honest, frank perspective.
Posted by Alexis Grant on 06/17/2009 at 12:26pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Wow. Very intense post. I admire your ability to share the most intimate details of your life. I don't know how you do that. It's something that baffles me, because I don't think I could do it if our situations were reversed, but it's also why I love reading this blog. If you want honesty and vulnerability – Penelope's blog is a good place to get it.
I don't have any interesting insight into abortion. I think it's one of those really tough social issues. Since I'm a man, I've never been there, so I don't know what it's like. I'd like to think I wouldn't have done it…but I really don't know. I was born to two 15 year olds who talked at length about getting an abortion. I'm glad they ended up choosing to let me be born.
In any case, thanks for sharing. – Todd
Posted by Todd @ The Personal Finance Playbook on 06/17/2009 at 12:26pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thank you once again for being so open and honest. It is not something many women or mothers are good at – but you are amazing at it.
Keep it up – not matter what silly, mean comments you may get here. Your audience truly appreciates your point of view and your life lessons.
Posted by Leanne Chase on 06/17/2009 at 12:27pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I have always been strongly pro-choice, but after reading this, I can't help but want to be pro-life. Thanks for sharing.
Posted by Kayla on 06/17/2009 at 12:27pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thank you for having the courage to write this. I find it interesting that in general your blog is about encouraging people to sacrifice things in the name of a career. Time, sanity, wardrobe, be taller, be prettier, etc. The conclusion I’m drawing from this post is that a child is something that should NOT be sacrificed in the name of a career.
That’s a powerful message, coming from you, and I’m so glad that you shared it with us.
Posted by Erika on 06/17/2009 at 12:29pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
You mention two different guys who supported your decision to abort. Certainly, you had the final say, but I wonder about men and abortion as well. Do they think about it down the road? Wasn't their uterus getting scraped of a little ball of tissue at a Planned Parenthood; kind of leaves a much fainter taste in the mouth to send someone else off for such a procedure, I would think.
With all that, I'd be curious to see the experiences of men involved in the decision to abort — I definitely read the few male comments on here with interest. And, as far as those corporate power players you're always doing intensive fieldwork on, do they support it? Have most men sitting at the long table in a boardroom driven their honeys to a Planned Parenthood at some point in their lives? Are their reasons similar to the ones you laid out above?
Posted by Dree on 06/17/2009 at 12:37pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
My then girlfriend, now wife, had an abortion nine years ago. I already had two teenage daughters at the time, and she had no children by her first husband, by her choice. We were in our late 30's/early 40's at the time. Her mind was made up the minute she was late for her period. I knew I had to be supportive, and be with her through throughout the process, but I didn't feel I had any standing in trying to suggest alternatives. I know I can in no way relate to the agony of the choices women face, but as a man, it's hard to relate the extreme difficulty of facing the issue of an unborn child compared to the woman you love. People with militant political views can't begin to understand what that does to a person.
I think of that unborn child often.
By every rational standard, it made sense. Our life together is very good now, and the topic has never been discussed. But as I enjoy Father's Day this Sunday with my now 20-something daughters, I will wonder about that possible 9-year-old.
Posted by A Man on 06/17/2009 at 01:51pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks for that. Although women bear the burden of physically bearing a child, the man involved also sees his life significantly impacted by having a kid.
It doesn't make sense to say that an abortion wouldn't also have an impact on the male partner, even though I don't think it's talked about very much.
Posted by Dree on 2009-06-18 15:24:26 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
Thank you for this post P. It, and the comments it has engendered (pun fully intented), have exposed superbly the banality of evil. Despite your bitter regret, you simply cannot bring yourself to state explicity and unequivocally that you made the wrong choice, twice, for the wrong reasons. You hedge in order to preserve your pro-choice street cred. It is hardly a lesson to tell others you've suffered. Those who do evil must suffer the consequences. It would be justice now if at least one of your investors had the courage to withdraw his or her support for your company, since your "career" was your overriding good. But I hope rather for mercy, because you at least suggested to other women contemplating a similar choice that they don't have to choose abortion. "Pro-life" and "pro-choice" would be terms without distinction if more women chose NOT to abort. If you lead just one woman to forgo an abortion because of your post, it will be a mitzvah.
Posted by Maus on 06/17/2009 at 12:43pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I wrote earlier that I am impressed that Penelope shared this with us; I still am it takes a great deal of courage to share such a personal, and controversial, topic. Unfortunately, I'm not surprised about the actual abortions. In male-dominated, or previously male-dominated, fields having a baby can really put a crimp in a woman's career, and not in a man's. I wouldn't be surprised if many woman have to wrestle with this choice, especially in fields like mine where most people aren't established until their late 30's, or more often, their 40's.
Posted by F on 06/17/2009 at 12:50pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
@Dree – it's also interesting to note that men in politics are much more aggressively pro-life and judgmental than their female counterparts. It's easier for us to treat the issue as black & white.
Even when using birth control, the risk was enough to make me finally commit to a vasectomy – and I'm only 28. My wife and I are fairly certain we don't want kids, but if we change our minds later we are happy to consider adoption. But we are absolutely certain that we don't want the drama and lifelong emotional stress that comes with making a hard decision about abortion.
Men, if you want to know what it is like to make a hard decision over a nuanced matter, think seriously about getting a vasectomy.
Posted by Male poster on 06/17/2009 at 01:00pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
While it's so expected that 75% of the comments on the post would miss the point of the post, it's infuriating to see all of the 'how dare you abort your babies because I/my sister/my cousin/my neighbor can't have one' comments.
Give. Me. A. Break.
Adopt.
You, your sister, your cousin and your neighbor have your choice of children to adopt. They're probably not all tiny little babies. They may also be of a different race. But if this is a problem, you may want to rethink parenting in general.
Posted by MZA on 06/17/2009 at 01:04pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
MZA and those of you who preach adoption as an answer to infertility,
Yes of course you are right, it is a workable solution for someone who wants to raise a child and it is the best outcome for many people who cannot produce their own flesh and blood.
But as a psychologist who happens to be infertile, there is a necessary grieving process to come to terms with being unable to carry on your own bloodline, it is such a traumatic thing to happen to a couple who want a family. The added torment of failed fertility treatments and the financial cost of this route is something that has to be experienced to be believed.
You cannot be a responsible adoption parent until you have grieved the loss and this can take years. And the adoption agencies need to see that you have come to terms with your grief and have ended your treatments before you can begin the long journey of adoption. It is not for everyone, not all of us are cut out to adopt. I dont think its selfishness, its just that it's a primal deep rooted thing to want your own child and see the continuation of your family line in grandchildren as well and you need to grieve this loss. Would you say to someone who lost a child that they should adopt? I hope not!
Posted by caroline on 06/18/2009 at 09:28am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I can appreciate it is a grieving process for those who cannot procreate, making it even more irrlevant to others decisions to do it or not to do it.
Recently, there was a kick ass job that I turned down to the chorus of "think how many people out there don't have a job, how could you do that"?
The theory is really the same. If PT had given the child up for adoption there would be the opportunity to parent this child by someone else. I gave up the job offer so there is the opportunity to take this job for someone else.
But the fact of the matter is they won't hire someone else for that job at this time because it was made for my skill set and I was recruited to it. And most of the time, people who suffer from infertility aren't looking to adopt "just missed the abortion procedure babies" – instead they are just pissed off and mourning not being able to get what they want how they want it.
So I will agree with Caroline's point, infertile couples (and anyone who fails in a goal they have structured their life to live) need to grieve, so what us fertile people do with our potential or actual fetuses isn't going to help them make it through that personal process.
Posted by Amy on 2009-06-24 12:17:07 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
I understand that the focus of this post was that there is no right time to have children. That being the case, there should have been more focus on that point, once you linked it with the abortion part. Too much emphasis there is going to bring alot of bad reactions to your post.
I would like to see you expand more upon the ability to have a successful career and children at the same time.
Posted by Nicole M on 06/17/2009 at 01:04pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I am pretty pro-life, but I adore how you have written about this, Penelope. I hope the young lady in the Motherlode blog yesterday (http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/16/choosing-not-to-keep-the-baby/)reads this post.
It's impossible to know how things would have been, and equally impossible, I think, not to wonder.
Posted by Jane on 06/17/2009 at 01:05pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
P: thank you so much for telling your story. It takes courage and integrity to be forthright about the paths our life take in such a public forum. I, too, had an abortion, and I too, have a child now. I still wonder what my life would have been like if I hadn't aborted that baby. It's something I will always live with. And I feel that all women should have the option to make their decision for themselves.
Posted by lola on 06/17/2009 at 01:22pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thank you for telling this story. Until I became a Mom, I, too, had bought into the whole "Wait until the right time" nonsense that I had heard since I was in elementary school. After the baby (in my thirties) I realized there was no right time. Hah, hah. My old job, though high paying, was pretty lame.
I don't work now and I love it. I'm outdoors most of the time and I can make pies and bread. Watching my kid grow up is a HOOT. Sure, I do housework, but that's better than going to meetings and staying late at work and office politics. I threw away all of my programming books recently. Hallelujah!
Posted by A Mom on 06/17/2009 at 01:23pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thank you P for this post. As a woman who is at the beginning of my career I have struggled so much with when to have kids and this has just confirmed my belief that I should have them whenever I'm ready and not when my career is ready. I'm lucky to have many examples of women in my life who had children young and today have extremely successful careers but that may also depend on your idea of success. My own mother had me at 23, my brother at 25 and since then has changed careers about 7 times.
It makes me very upset that there is still this strong societal pressure for women to do it all and we (women) are the ones who make it worse for other women. I wonder if you would have made different choices had you not had the pressure put on you not just by your mother but by society in general to have this amazing career.
I'm interested to know what happens to men's careers when they take parental leaves versus women.
Posted by TB on 06/17/2009 at 01:26pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thank you for sharing this. Thank you for your honesty.
I am sorry you had to go through those experiences.
I had an abortion when I was a single mom. I knew my boyfriend and I were not long term, and I could not be the single mom of two children. (Birth control failed, if that matters to any of the "pro-lifers" out there.)
You're right. It is absolutely not a decision women make lightly, and anyone who thinks it is has never been there and has never known someone who has (or has made that person feel so ashamed that she'll never open up to them).
I have two kids and am in a happy, stable family now.
Careers may not be a "good" reason. Survival may be.
Let's all stop judging until we walk in someone else's shoes.
Again, thank you for being brazen about this difficult topic.
Posted by C. on 06/17/2009 at 01:30pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thank you for writing this post. Thank you for showing that a choice to have an abortion is always a difficult one. Thank you for bringing real perspective to the subject.
Posted by Kristi on 06/17/2009 at 01:31pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This post was really touching. I actually shed a few tears, because it brought up my own what-if questions, even though I've never had an abortion. I'm 32 and I always thought I would be married with at least 1 or 2 babies by now. Instead I'm single and not sure if I will ever be a mom, because I'm wondering if I will ever meet the right man. So basically, whether you've had an abortion or not, there will always be what-ifs. Although, I think that the what-ifs involved in terminating a pregnancy must be heartbreaking on a level that I can't fully understand, because I've been fortunate enough to never be faced with that decision.
I have had a few scares, though. In high school, at age 16, when my period was almost a month late, I knew that I would probably have an abortion if I was pregnant. It would have been a very tough choice and I don't know if I could have gone through with it after all- but I didn't feel like I would have been strong enough to handle a pregnancy, much less a child. Then, when I was 29 and had a pregnancy scare, I knew in my heart that I would want to keep it, even though the potential father was an asshole. As bad as it sounds, I was a little disappointed (but mostly relieved) to get my period.
Thank God I wasn't pregnant after all, but it made me realize that maybe casual sex is more than I can handle at this point in my life. I know that if I had an accidental pregnancy, abortion would not be an option for me. I really don't want to turn my fun, no-strings-fling guy into the father of my baby.
Anyway, the point to my rambling would be that be that abortion is an incredibly personal and difficult decision, but then again, so is having a child. There just aren't any easy answers. I'm actually kind of against 2nd/3rd trimester abortions, but would not want to make that choice for anyone else. While I might not ever opt for it, I can't say what is right for another woman.
Posted by anne on 06/17/2009 at 01:41pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks for mentioning the casual sex angle. I'm a gay man. I've had plenty of experiences of "casual" sex. At age 39 and after learning some things the hard way, I totally understand that there really is no such thing. Gay or straight, it doesn't matter. Even putting aside the risks of disease and unplanned pregnancy, having sex with people you're not committed to does has a high probability of real and lasting emotional damange. As with any risky behavior, the more "cauual" sex the greater the damage.
Posted by mysticaltyger on 09/30/2009 at 11:13pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I too have have gone through both the abortion process and even worked for Planned Parenthood. I've almost lost what I thought were solid friendships because of my choices for my body and for where I work and volunteer.
Kudos to you for being brave to share your story. I commend you!
Posted by Jill on 06/17/2009 at 01:44pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Great article. I am pro-choice and a man. Therefore, I can only imagine the pain, confusion, ambivalence and fear that pervade making a decision such as the ones you made. I think though that as a society we've been fed this belief that you can have your cake and eat it to regarding reproduction and career. My wife and I found out the hard way that this is a lie. After four years of assisted reproductive therapy we now have one child, but we'd wanted more and certainly didn't expect to go through as much as we did. Nature intends us to reproduce before our mid thirties, after that, it's increasingly risky and harder to accomplish. Yet, society wants us to concentrate on building a life and we put off important decisions because it's "inconvenient". We need to make parenthood easier and more affordable in combination with better education regarding birth control and it's use. This way we can avoid young women having to make the gut wrenching choices you did.
Posted by Dave on 06/17/2009 at 01:44pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Good point about about needing to make parenthood easier and more affordable. We could start by streamlining high school and college so that people can graduate more quickly. The means less bureaucratic BS from colleges and universities and discarding the idea that the college years are supposed to be for partying. As things stand right now, it takes a lot of people 6 years to get a 4 year college degree.
Posted by mysticaltyger on 09/30/2009 at 11:19pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Great post and comments!
One of the tedious things about living in Italy is that too often, your fertility and body are considered as public – rather than private – property. As I chose not to have children, I've found myself on numerous occasions having to try and explain my choices to incredulous women. (Men, strangely enough, don't seem that bothered by my choice.)
For those commenting that women are selfish to abort when so many can't conceive, I'd say that you're in danger of falling into this same mindset. Women are not baby-machines, owing it to society to repopulate. Our bodies are personal, as are our choices over our fertility.
Posted by Clare on 06/17/2009 at 01:46pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I have my own personal feeling about abortion but I don't find it appropriate to impose it on others. It's such a complex and personal issue that I don't understand why many people want to apply a single, sweeping judgment on all situations and circumstances.
The only part of the post that (initially) made me uncomfortable was the consensus advice, being given to Penelope from family and friends, that having a child in those cirumstances would "ruin" he career plans. I believe the better assessment is that an unplanned childbirth will "change" your career / life / relationships / etc — but individual circumstances will impact whether it is for better or worse.
That seemed to be the thesis that Penelope was conveying toward the end, based on her further perspective and life experience.
One of my sisters had 3 unplanned pregnancies, all on birth control (3 different methods!). The second and third were after she was married, but the first was while she was a senior in high school. She made the personal decision to have the baby, despite the fact that she already knew she was not going to marry her boyfriend. Religion was not involved in the decision, btw.
I believe she made a significant sacrifice in terms of what she could have accomplished in the conventional definition of career / ambition, because the rest of her siblings have been pretty successful and she is every bit as talented and driven.
Her decision changed her life in a profound (and especially in the beginning, very difficult) way, but it worked out. She eventually met and married a fantastic husband who adopted my oldest nephew and has been a wonderful dad to him and their other 3 children.
My sister does not have a high powered job or career, but she has found ways to to fulfill her ambitions and define herself as successful, at least in my eyes. She's taken all kinds of college classes and other learning seminars that have expanded her knowledge, skills and confidence. She is involved in community organizations that meaningfully impact her life and the people around her. And of course, she has a beautiful family. She's an inspiration to me.
For many women, making the same choice as Penelope is the right one — for the mother as well as the unborn child. I just hope it isn't portrayed as the only one.
By the way, I am not running for elected office but my sister approved this message.
Posted by terrence on 06/17/2009 at 01:46pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I laud you for having the courage to talk about a topic that a lot of people sweep under the rug. I am childfree by choice. I recognized very early on that I didn't want children. And fate stepped in (hysterectomy at the age of 30 for cancer) to make sure I didn't have any children.
When I first started reading your article above, I wasn't sure where you were headed with it. I cannot imagine what it feels like to be pregnant so in that respect, I cannot imagine what you felt during and after, and to this day.
But this is a subject that galvanizes people in good and bad ways. I am thinking of the death of the "abortion" doctor and the brilliant lunacy of someone who so insouciantly kills human beings who kill what is arguably still only no more than a parasite in a woman's body.
And I also recently read an article here:
http://www.limelife.com/blog-entry/Is-the-Workplace-Unkind-to-ChildFree-Women/5835.html
that suggests the opposite of what you experienced in the workplace: That being childfree is a detriment to your career because you are perceived as lacking nurturing qualities and are cold and heartless. So … can't win for losing, it would seem.
Thank you for sharing your very emotional and compelling story.
Posted by Joni Mueller on 06/17/2009 at 01:48pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Holy crap to some of these comments. I applaud you for your honesty but this post just made me sad. I hope anyone who reads this that is trying to decide between career and children will think twice. Both take hard work but at the end of the day a career is just a job. It's dangerous to have too much of your identy tied up in your "career".
Posted by Ann on 06/17/2009 at 01:53pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Playing devil's advocate here: One could also argue that it's dangerous to have too much of your identity tied up in being a mother. When the kids grow up and don't need their mom any more, empty nest syndrome can be psychologically devastating.
I don't mean to down-play the importance of being a mother and the gratification that can come with it, but it's certainly not the end-all, be-all for every woman, either.
Posted by Meridith Levinson on 06/17/2009 at 02:15pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
There are many difficult lessons learned here, both from your experiences, and from the discussions above. Let it be said, however, that no child is unwanted. There is an overwhelming abundance of infertile adoptive parents waiting endlessly with hope and open arms for the child that can only come to them by someone else's "mistake." Please consider (you, Penelope, and any of your readers here) that just because a child was conceived without intent, and would be an imposition to your career or otherwise stable life, does not mean the child should not get to exist. It is very respectable for a person to evaluate their state and determine that she or he is unfit for parenthood, but the backup plan should have more to do with getting that child to someone who IS dying to become a parent rather than simply eliminating its existence.
Posted by Michelle on 06/17/2009 at 02:01pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Let it be said, however, that no child is unwanted. There is an overwhelming abundance of infertile adoptive parents waiting endlessly with hope and open arms for the child that can only come to them by someone else's "mistake."
Sure, if your unborn baby is white. If the above statement was actually true, there would be no children in foster care.
Posted by Rosie on 06/17/2009 at 04:31pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Which is precisely why our future child is not.
I am certainly hoping that our culture and our churches will grow to take on an active role in caring for the orphans of America, and the world.
However, having considerable knowledge of the requirements for foster caregivers, and comparatively those of adoptive parents, I see little comparison. In every way, it is much easier to foster than to adopt, and in many cases parents choose the fostering TO adopt track…which of course proves that foster care is also parenting given by those who would otherwise not have had the opportunity, had a mother not birthed and given up the baby she considered a mistake.
Posted by Michelle on 2009-06-17 16:55:49 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
I don't think you should necessarily tie your identity to your children either.
I think one point that is missed in all of this is if you don't want kids, take steps not to have them — and be put in this position — in the first place. Because face it, not all people are meant to have children or be parents.
But I do agree with you, Ann, that this is something that anyone who is sitting on the career versus mommyhood fence really needs to read.
Posted by Joni Mueller on 06/17/2009 at 02:02pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think some people need to realize that it MAY not be a career vs. mommyhood issue. I just got approached 4 weeks ago about a semi-promotion, more responsibility/higher pay role at my workplace due to some re-organization and I'm about two weeks away from my due date!
Let's be real ladies. Who you are is who you are. The only "traps" in life are the ones we allow to be traps. My workplace can see and realize I'm almost 9 mos pregnant, but they're negotiating with who they know me to be as a worker/professional, not "a 9 mos pregnant lady."
Posted by Dara on 06/17/2009 at 03:12pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
My sister was in the same situation when she was 19, pregnant and didn't even have a relationship with the father. My parents BEGGED her to keep her baby as that was the way she was raised, oldest of five kids, and we have loved him ever since. Mark is now 21 years old and attends Marquette University in Milwaukee, where my wife graduated from.
He's the light of my sister's entire life. She never married. His father is still out of the picture living in Colorado, but in a strange twist of God's will, both of his DIVORCED grandparents have taken an active interest in his life, even showing up for his high school graduation.
I miss my daughter, 14 days old and at home while I slave away at work.
Posted by Dan on 06/17/2009 at 02:07pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Great post, Penelope.
Kids and career are something I think about a lot. I'm 18, and when I was a kid, I never doubted having kids. Now, I feel torn between kids and career – probably because my mom didn't pursue college when she had me. Of course, I'm not ready to have kids right now, but it's still something I think about.
Thanks for writing about this. Reading about successful women with kids is more empowering than hearing about people like Oprah who don't have kids but are successful. Keep being awesome! =]
Posted by Andi on 06/17/2009 at 02:22pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thank you for sharing this. I to have had two abortions, both times while I was on the pill. I do not want children and had taken every precaution to prevent an unwanted pregnancy. That being said, it was still a difficult thing to go through and a hard decision to make. The procedure was uncomfortable, and somewhat painful, but nothing compared to the absolute dread I felt when I found out I was pregnant. I am happy with my decision and have no regrets.
I find it very sad that anyone would read this and take it as an opportunity to disrespect you. Shame on those of you that did. Bravo for speaking your mind about such a controversial subject.
Posted by Carly on 06/17/2009 at 02:32pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
woo hoo! I saw the title of this post and knew the wild and wacky commenters would have a field day…check out Motherlode, Lisa Belkin's NY Times parenting blog. She has been posting about a pregnant college student all week – same issues, different time in her life. Smart bloggers think alike!
Posted by prklypr on 06/17/2009 at 02:36pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hmmm…while I was reading this I kept thinking to myself, "doesn't she know she could have a career and kids too?!"
What a waste.
At least you eventually learned that and are talking about your experience. I do think it's strange that some people have a checklist to accomplish before they have kids. I can understand that. I have 3 kids and I sometimes wish I had the major career at the same time, but I made a choice to stay home with the kids. I love it, but career thoughts still creep in. I couldn't maintain the two, but many women do.
Interesting post…
Posted by min on 06/17/2009 at 02:42pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
P, I'm one who has been reading for a while but never commented. I think that a lot of the comments are well thought out, on both sides. However, I find it interesting that those who are against the decision you made a long time ago feel the need to vilefy you. You clearly still feel guilty for your decisions, and no one can hurt us as much as ourselves. That being said, I had an abortion at the age of 22 which I have never regretted. I knew I wasn't ready to have a child and neither was the guy I was with. I wasn't sure I could give it up for adoption once it was born because I had been drinking during that time, since I didn't expect to get pregnant. Using birth control is not 100%, every type has a failure rate of some sort. As for the silly statement that every time someone gets pregnant it's because they want to- that's just BS. I have never gotten pregnant since, even while I was married. Now I am with a great guy and neither of us wants children and are making sure that doesn't happen as much as we possibly can. No matter what others say, I will never feel guilty for my choice because it IS my body, not theirs and they were not going to raise that child for me. All of those who like to judge others should remember that the Bible says "judge not lest you be judged yourself" and "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Try to understand others rather than damning them.
Posted by Jeanmarie on 06/17/2009 at 02:54pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
P – Thank you for sharing your story. I am always greatly appreciative and in awe of women brave enough to go public with their abortion experiences. You're right when you say no one talks about it, yet everyone knows someone who's had one.
Thank you for helping other women who may be going through the same struggles.
Posted by Jackie (not M.) on 06/17/2009 at 02:57pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I am amazed once again by PT's openess, but it's obviously a huge topic to a career-related blog and even larger as a societal issue. I'm am staunchly pro-life and I feel incredible sadness for the struggles PT faced and may continue to deal with based on her decisions.
I would be interested for PT to do a follow up if she has any data about women who actually have abortions for career/lifestyle convenience reasons(what it means career wise, mental health, etc) by the numbers versus women who choose to keep the child. I'd really love to know how much it affects outcomes. We all hear so much from proponents and opponents of abortion who don't have any experience with it (including me). I'd like to know more from the women who actually have done it (both in scientific studies and qualitative stories like PTs).
Posted by Dara on 06/17/2009 at 03:04pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Dara,
I see many comments from pro-life people (even a pastor) above and while I am on the opposite side of the fence I respect theirs and your point of view. If more people were willing to listen we might be able to stop hiding and talk openly about it. And maybe if we talked about it openly, women would have more information when making the decision. We would definitely be more likely to seek the help we need to cope with it. Being pregnant is scary enough and an abortion is even scarier than that, we shouldn't have to feel alone and afraid of public condemnation (or that of our loved ones).
I had an abortion at age 17. I was an honor student and cheerleader, a good kid with real potential. I had always been pro-choice but when I learned I was pregnant I decided to keep the baby. My mother wanted to help me take care of it, my boyfriend wanted to get married and raise it together in our home town. My father was livid and irrational; he tried everything from threats to bribes to get me to have an abortion. He shamed me to the breaking point and I agreed to have the procedure. I did the best I could with the information and emotional maturity I had at the time. I don't regret my decision, I have forgiven myself and I know it was the right thing for me.
So I am happy to share with you my "outcome." I'm crying as I write this because I just realized I have never talked about it before so I thank you in advance for your sensitivity…
I moved out on my own before graduating from high school. I got emancipated from my parents and worked at a fast food restaurant to pay $50 rent for one room in a single-wide and buy food and gas. I lost my boyfriend and many friends when they found out what I’d done.
But with merit scholarships, student loans, and two part time jobs I graduated from a state university in the top 10% of my class, one semester early. I got a job at a large consulting firm and am doing well. I’ve been promoted quickly and get high evaluations. I have been a "big sister" to a (now) 17-year old for 3 years; I volunteer at the Special Olympics, Boys & Girls Clubs, and participate in fundraising walks for the American Cancer Society and Avon Foundation. I've traveled often and lived abroad for over a year.
I am trying to become a person who will have more to offer my future children than my 17 year old self could have given the child I didn't have.
Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to have an 8 year old, but not very often. I don’t look at my decision with sadness or shame or regret and I certainly don’t think about it every day. I agree with PT, there is no “right” time to have a baby. But there are definitely “wrong” times and that was the case for me.
Some women who've had abortions are unable to have children now – that is my greatest fear. It actively haunts me, not just a thought that occasionally crosses my mind. (To the person who commented above that you reap what you sow: please refrain from responding here. It was a heartless and hateful remark that doesn't belong here or anywhere else in public discourse).
If I became pregnant now, I don’t know what I’d do. I’m not in a relationship and am certainly not financially able to support a child. I’m at the beginning of a good career that I don’t want to give up. I would probably do it again, to be honest. I don’t believe that a fetus is a baby or that abortion is murder.
Thanks for inviting me to share my “outcome” with you, Dara.
Posted by L on 06/18/2009 at 08:21am | permalink | Reply to this comment
You do reap what you sow. That doesn't just go for abortion, that goes for any negativity or poor decisions you make in life.
Since this is a career blog, it goes for burning bridges. If you burn a bridge and later find out that comes to haunt you, you have reaped what you have sowed. When I quit my last job in Taxconsin, I was extremely greatful to my employer, thanked them for hiring me, and asked if they would take me back and they said they would gladly. Should I ever need them again, and I am not arrogant enough to believe this could never happen, I will be in a much better position to get hired than if I had burnt that bridge.
In that case, I will reap the consequences/benefits of my previous actions and the way I acted.
Posted by Dan on 2009-06-19 11:49:21 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
Wow. Just wow.
I'm really glad you had those abortions. But they were for such selfish reasons. I am very pro-choice, but I think the reasons you had those abortions were very, very wrong. But it would be even more wrong to have such a selfish person try and raise children.
The people I feel the worst for is your actual children, because I highly doubt you've changed, the tone of this post was just so… selfish. Your poor kids.
Posted by Ashley on 06/17/2009 at 03:27pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Ashley, I am pro life, but your comments are just ignorant. Why would you be pro choice and then admonish her for her reasons? Her reasons are her reasons. I never thought I would end up defending this action, which I don't, but saying your pro choice, which is supporting infanticide, and then saying there are pre conditions to this is totally INCONSISTENT.
Posted by Dan on 06/17/2009 at 03:47pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
How dare she have goals and ambitions! How dare she think about herself! Doesn't she know that she is a woman and thus her life should revolve around children?
(sarcasm)
Posted by Klaire on 06/18/2009 at 10:39am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Klarie, I agree, I 100% support my daughter, now 18 days old, having goals and ambitions.
However, if my daughter were to ever see a baby as a burden and not adding to her life, I will have 100% failed as a parent in raising her right, to know the difference between right and wrong, to be a good, loving person as God intends her to be.
By the way, my non aborted "burden" of a nephew, born to my single sister at age 20 with the man no where to be found, is doing very well, thanks for asking.
Posted by Dan on 2009-06-19 11:45:42 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
Thanks for sharing. Never had one. But, this post will definitely help those who are thinking about it. I had a baby two years ago, derailed my career a bit, but I'm right back on track. To all the career women out there…keep the baby. The other stuff will owrk itself out. You have no idea how strong and resilent the human spirit is :)
Posted by Grace B. on 06/17/2009 at 03:27pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I am usually just an avid reader but this post has compelled me to comment.
I had an abortion when I was 19. I did not consider my options because at the time I really felt like there was no other choice. I never talk about it now, except to my best friend when we have had a lot to drink or to my husband when I am especially low. Even now, I find it difficult to type this – I am at my desk in a corporate law firm. I think that we need to talk about this topic more. Not in terms of how it might or might not affect a career, simply in terms of how it makes us feel.
I was truely in love with my boyfriend at the time but we just couldn't make it through the pain and the grief. I guess we were just kids ourselves. I think about him sometimes as is only natural when you share something that huge with someone.
I am now 26 and married to a wonderful man and we are hoping to start a family soon. People talk about the what-ifs but I am certain that my husband would have still loved me even if I had met him with a toddler in tow.
I think about the baby that wasn't a lot – to the extent that I fear that my desire to start a family is in some way to make-up for what I did.
Above all else I would love now to have a conversation with my 19 year old self. I would tell myself not to be afraid – that life has a way of working itself out regardless.
I take such comfort from the other comments posted here – other women sharing their experiences. I feel less alone. And that is all anyone can ask for.
Posted by N on 06/17/2009 at 03:41pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
While I appreciate your candour, I question how any responsible person can get have two unwanted pregnancies. There is absolutely no need for this so yes, in spite of your denial, you used abortion as a method of birth control – twice.
And yes, I know that no method is 100 % which is why anyone that doesn’t want to be pregnant should use two. Condom plus the pill – every time.
Posted by PGS on 06/17/2009 at 03:51pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
That's an unfair burden to place on women. The pill has nasty side-effects, some of which are simply unbearable for some women.
Posted by Klaire on 06/18/2009 at 10:42am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Its so frustrating to hear stories like this… when my husband and I want nothing more than to have a baby and some feel like they can just say "oh not right now, maybe later" to the miracle they have been given. Do you know how much of a miracle a baby is?
I want to say it sounds like you regretted your decisions, but I'm not entirely sure… and I'm not judging, it just makes me sad in my own situation. We all make our own decisions.
I dont know that I'll be reading anymore…
Posted by BP on 06/17/2009 at 04:01pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
BP, hang in there, my wife and I had two miscarriages (a baby is just as much responsiblity for a man as it is a woman) and have been blessed with the most beautiful girl in the world. Honestly, people thought we had a C section baby because her face came out without flaws (this wouldn't matter to us anyway) and she is a breeze to take care of compared to the horror stories we heard from others not sleeping through the night.
Keep your head up high, say your prayers, and keep going to the doctor until they figure out what is wrong. We had to be on Lovenox, but once we started those shots up, the rest was easy (certainly a blood thinner is not fun to be on, but the pregnancy itself was easier than most, as was the birth).
Good luck.
Posted by Dan on 06/17/2009 at 04:51pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Just because you are having a hard time having a child doesn't mean that she didn't have a burden placed on her by becoming pregnant. One person's blessing is another person's curse.
Posted by Klaire on 06/18/2009 at 10:45am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Also doesn't mean that in reading a "career" blog I want to stumble upon an abortion topic. Although with Penelope, I guess anything is possible.
Thanks Dan :)
Posted by BP on 2009-06-18 12:54:24 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
You are welcome BP. Hang in there, a child is the best thing that will ever happen to you, and even as a man who has desperately wanted to be a father his entire life, our baby has easily exceeded our greatest expectations.
I can't stop thinking about her, my daughter, I am just crazy about everything she does, her yawns, her little hand movements, her beautiful eyes when she finally wakes up to peek around the room, it's just incredible.
As for the other comment, a baby is not a curse, there are people who get pregnant who are a curse, the baby is a blessing. Why should my daughter live because she is in the lucky sperm club? Ever child is equally important.
Posted by Dan on 2009-06-19 11:39:23 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
Hey P,
Thanks for the honesty. I too have had abortions and they are never easy. You're right, you never get over it and you'll always wonder, was it really worth it. It will never seem to be; especially as you get better and better at navigating life. I think career and abortions have a lot to do with each other b/c there is no doubt that having a kid may set you back farther than you're ready and willing to go. Navigating maternity leave, no matter how long you've been with a company and no matter how much they like you, can be just as stressful as carrying the kid for 9 months. You find a way when you're dealing with it but sometimes its hard to fathom taking the parenting direction when you know you aren't ready.
Tough subject, great discussion!
Posted by Tiffany on 06/17/2009 at 04:22pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
While I appreciate P's candor and her experience, a few things bother me about this post.
1. Two unwanted pregnancies. Really? I have been with my now husband for 18 years. Lots of sex. Appropriately used birth control. No unwanted pregnancies. Not because I am not fertile– quite the contrary. I have been pregnant three times, each time within two months of trying to conceive. I would just think that after one traumatic abortion, a woman would be more careful about avoiding another, clearly unwanted, pregnancy. Because birth control, when used according to directions, works well. And is certainly less controversial than abortion.
2. These abortions appear to have been entered into. . . almost under duress. They don't seem to the product of unfettered choice. While I would never stand between a woman and her legal right to choose, it seems almost as if these choices were made by others, which plays into the regret. And makes me sad. While I adamantly believe in the right to choose, I don't think the choice should ever be made under pressure. It's a choice for the woman, about her OWN body and her own abilities to care for a potential child. Not about what someone else thinks or wants.
3. The regret. While this is a genuine experience for some women, for many, many others it is not. While the anti-choice camp has talked for many long years about the negative mental health effects of abortion, recent studies suggest that this is entirely inaccurate, and that many women feel a profound sense of relief and well-being after an abortion. So I guess I feel like the tone of the article was a *warning,* based on P's personal experience of regret, which is hardly the case for most women. It comes across a bit as if, "I had this choice and I made it for myself not once, but TWICE. . . but now you really shouldn't make it for yourself. Because it's terrible and uneccessary." And I guess that her choosing to abort twice but then her implicitly telling others not to bothers me more than a little.
Posted by Mollie on 06/17/2009 at 08:14pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Someone hit the nail on the head — selfishness.
There is no denying that a unique, unrepeatable human life exists at conception. That human life is violently stopped by an abortion. The question is — with that life in the balance — what issue could be worth taking it.
Career? Convenience? Lifestyle? Selfishness indeed.
There might be an argument for abortion that's not selfish, but I haven't heard it.
[btw, I currently have two wonderful friends who were conceived by rape, and you probably do too and don't know it, so I can't buy the exception for rape/incest. A painful crime doesn't go away if a baby is killed.]
As far as men fearing powerful women, the sad truth is that while half of all babies are female, more than half of the babies aborted in the USA are female. And it's worse in other countries with legal abortion. Ladies, we are killing our daughters.
Anyway, if anyone cares to google "demographic winter" we might agree this will be academic in a few decades.
Posted by Tators Precious on 06/17/2009 at 04:27pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Oh god. I don't know why I bother but that Demographic Winter trailer is the most racist, xenophobic, misogynist alarmist crap I've ever seen. And I've seen some stuff.
Basically it's a movie about how there aren't going to be enough white babies in 2050. Oh the horror!
Posted by Joselle on 06/17/2009 at 04:53pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Yeah "no denying" life begins at conception. Glad you solved that millennium-long debate for us.
There might be some pro-lifers that can have an intellectually honest debate, but it ain't you (and it really isn't Dan).
Posted by Noah on 06/18/2009 at 12:10am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Uh–you had abortions when you didn't want to, so no one should have an abortion? Even when they are clear about what they want, and do just that?
Having a baby isn't just about a career, either. It's about maturity. If in doubt, wait! It's far worse to raise a child without the maturity required for a stable family. I have seen too many women I *wish* had aborted, as they didn't have the energy or maturity required to lovingly raise their children (to say nothing of the fathers!). Dysfunctional children grow up into dysfunctional adults, who have more dysfunctional children…
Posted by Anna on 06/17/2009 at 04:29pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
If you aren't mature enough to have the baby, you aren't mature enough to have the sex. So stop. It's really that simple.
Posted by Maus on 06/17/2009 at 06:13pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I never have wanted children. Guess I should never have sex then.
Posted by Kate on 2009-06-28 22:11:55 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
@PGS
I'm sorry, but that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Using abortion as a methods of (reckless) birth control simply means not taking any precautions (condom use, pill, etc.) while sexually active. And, since Ms. Trunk didn't disclose her method of birth control – you're jumping the gun on your opinion of Ms. Trunk using abortion as a means for birth control. I understand you acknowledge nothing is fool proof – but accidents DO happen.
Anyway, I thought this was one of the more interesting posts to date. I think women are made to feel that kids are a hindrance (and the "burden" always falls with us). Therefore, we feel much more "forced" into a corner when choosing our career versus having children. It's a little bit sad because there's an either/or option. There seems to be little negotiation between the two.
Posted by Raven on 06/17/2009 at 05:03pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
"It doesn’t matter whether you have kids now or later, because they will always make your career more difficult."
This is the one point in your post that has me worried. Because while we can certainly tell that you have "something deep inside you drives you" and thus you would have succeeded no matter what, other women want a career but might not be as driven as you to make it happen after having a kid. Don't try and tell me there aren't tons of women who have children when they're young or broke or lacking a support system and then never amount to anything more than being a mom, with their dreams unrealized.
Posted by Anca on 06/17/2009 at 05:32pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Having a "career" should not be the point of your life. Living your life which includes family,friends is what is important. The job pays the bills so that you can enjoy your life.
All these people wasting their lives and it all comes crashing down when they are downsized or laid off.
When i die, i will be remembered ultimately by my family not by my co-workers. I hope my last thoughts are about my loved ones, not that last form-w38 I filled out.
Posted by Jay on 06/17/2009 at 05:32pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Jay,
Everyone has different wants. If Penelope wants success and a career, she has that right. You trivialize Penelope's choices because they are not yours. Everyone's idea of the perfect legacy is different. Besides, why are you reading this blog if you aren't interested in 'career' oriented people? Maybe you should be reading something more family oriented, and ride your high horse out of here.
Posted by Mhughes on 06/18/2009 at 08:11am | permalink | Reply to this comment
This is an amazing, honest, thoughtful and undoubtedly painful post. It, like many of your very personal posts, sent a little shiver down my spine. Thank you for your willingness to say what you really think.
I have always been pro-choice/anti-abortion. A position that sits fine with me, even though it seems contradictory to others. I am grateful to this country that you were able to make the choices you made, and am grateful to your humanity that you recognize that these choices do not come without emotional consequences.
And to those who would judge you – both for your choices and your regrets – I hope that they one day learn compassion.
Posted by Sharma Hendel on 06/17/2009 at 05:35pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
There's been many comments, so I'll just make three points: First, I had an abortion at 20, last year of college. I still think about the (possible) child, who'd be 11 now. What I don't remember ever thinking about when I made that choice was my career (and now I'm a "successful" professional in finance, 11 years later). I do remember thinking that I definitely did not want to have a child with the man I was with at the time – yes, of course you're thinking – why did I have sex with him? Well I was on the pill, but more importantly, our relationship just happened to go downhill pretty quickly around that time, one of those unlucky coincidences in life. And when I made the decision (with his grudging "support" and I'm being generous in calling it that) The other factor in the abortion is that I had some health issues at the time – pregnancy-related – that made the idea of going through with it much more difficult. But mostly I looked at my partner and didn't want to fight for joint custody with him. I never for a second thought about my career despite caring about it a lot, over-achieving in school, etc. but basically I think that children or not I would have been an achiever and child-care wouldn't have gotten in the way of that. Second, for all of you who have suggested adoption as an alternative to abortion – you live in a fairly isolated world-view in my opinion. I am not white (South Asian) and my partner at the time was white (WASP)… I'm pretty sure that most of you rhapsodizing about adoption aren't thinking of little brown (half-brown) babies, which mine would have been – you're thinking of little blond-haired blue-eyed children that would fit right into your family paradigm. So, confront the race issue in adoption or don't go one about how you/your sister/someone you know would gladly have adopted my "child" — what Americans look for in adoption, sperm bank catalogues and egg adverts say otherwise. Speak to that or shut up about adoption. As someone else said, non-white babies are much more likely to end up in foster homes subject to 15-18 years of god-knows-what kind of horror. Third, I just want to note because I'm 'that person' that these comments (approx 150) have not actually been all the judgmental, etc of PT. It seems more like a love-in to me. I'm indifferent to that, but it's pretty annoying to read all these comments comforting PT for being so brave as to share this and trying to shield her against criticism when 'judgmental' comments have actually been like what 10? Anyway, just wanted to note that since I don't think anyone else has.
Posted by A. Singh on 06/17/2009 at 05:52pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think you are strong for being so candid. I hope you know that sharing this is helpful, honest and amazing. Don't let the idiots get you down :)
Posted by Mel on 06/17/2009 at 06:23pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
"What some may not realize is that you weren't just protecting your future, but that of the child you may of had."
Dead children don't have a future.
Moral event horizon.
Posted by Mark on 06/17/2009 at 06:59pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
wait, sorry, so the first one counted as abortion? Cause if it did, this blog is a lot more stylistic than I thought…
Posted by mark on 06/17/2009 at 07:04pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
P,
I applaud your candor and bravery to "out" yourself on this topic. Never been pregnant, never would WANT to, but I will defend with my life another woman's choice to decide what is best for herself and her unborn child.
To the men who are pissed off at P and think she's a killer, etc, STFU. It ain't your career, it ain't your life, it ain't your baby…
Posted by H on 06/17/2009 at 07:54pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I am a visitor here. I was very moved by the account of what it is like to be a mom, and to have had this history. I am stunned by the comments. I am hurt that many of the most obnoxious seem to have been authored by men. This is not easy, and the post is not meant to give the reader the recourse to ease. No matter what one thinks of the rights or wrongs, what about the human experience, and sharing that experience?
Thank you for sharing in this brave way.
Posted by Mark A. Clifford on 06/17/2009 at 08:14pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I wrote a blog a while back on how I was raised a "pro-life feminist" and grew to be a pro-choice mother of two of my own and an awesome stepdaughter (Maybe they weren't mentioned in the blog, but they were there; they always are.)
http://ecochildsplay.com/2009/04/16/from-pro-life-feminist-to-pro-choice-mama-my-transition/
I, too, received the backlash of comments and some really great supportive debate.
One poster linked to this, and before anyone else spouts on the "Give it up for adoption" thing, READ THIS BLOG. Read all of the comments. Learn what adoption really means. It's not for the faint of heart, either that choice or this blog:
http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2009/03/breaking-silence-on-living-pro-lifers.html
Natalie Angier, a biologist and the incredible writer of "Woman: An Intimate Geography" writes:
“Recently, though, scientists have found fetal cells surviving in the mother’s bloodstream even decades after the women have given birth to their children…
For all the reasons I remain a staunch supporter of abortion rights…It is vicious to force a woman to bear a baby she doesn’t want, to prod her vengefully upon the compound priming of pregnancy and force her to be imprinted…”
(You can and should read a clip from her book here: http://books.google.com/books?id=GuFz4r64ETkC&dq=NATALIE+ANGIER+wOMAN+an+intimate+geography&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=MNXnSYj1NtuJnAeE9NGEBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4#PPA319%2CM1
Posted by Cate on 06/17/2009 at 08:17pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thank you so much for the pointer to http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2009/03/breaking-silence-on-living-pro-lifers.html
Her story, and the comments, were both painful and crucial to read.
Posted by Erica on 06/18/2009 at 12:12pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
It take a lot of courage to put your business out there. I didn't know what to expect when I read the blog title.
Thanks for sharing and being honest about your experience.
When I was in college I had 2 pregnancies with the same guy (pretty stupid). I was a young Christian woman with hopes of a successful career as an engineer I would be lying if I said that I didn't think about abortion. I even thought of adoption. I felt like a failure for getting pregnant.
I kept both sons who have brought me much joy. It was not easy, but I was determined to be a good parent even though I started off on the wrong foot.
Recently, both sons graduated from college with honors and are working in industry at prominent, well-known companies. They were raised in a single parent home until I married when they were in high school.
Today, my career is not what I expected it to be, definitely not amazing, but I'm not bad off. I am an engineer with an MBA who is reinventing herself as a marketer in a global company. Would my career be amazing if I had the abortions? Maybe. But I know I'd be miserable with guilt because I sacrificed my children for my career. And if I was miserable with guilt, I probably wouldn't have my amazing career for very long.
Posted by Marsha on 06/17/2009 at 08:51pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Wow, I appreciate you sharing, can't imagine how it feels to share this. Have not been a fan of the sexual posts, I cringe actually. Not because they are not well written, they are. Not because they don't tell a good story, because they do. But because I value your insight, expertise and knowledge in the career world (and in life in general) and cringe because I am uncomfortable of your career advice with oral sex. And now I feel like you've shared a very personal side, and I realized, I need to get over myself and cringing. I am 30 years old so I know how sex, life and career go together. Probably too much if you look at my dating past… many times mixing business, boss and pleasure. But my point is that you shared some personal moments that make me realize you are a real woman. Not just some great writer with great advice. And I like that.
Posted by calisara on 06/17/2009 at 09:11pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I disagree.
I've had 3 abortions. I only think about any of them when the topic of abortions comes up. I had my reasons. They were compelling. Abortion was the right choice for me. I have no guilt.
I have to agree about thinking of the man I was with tho. I think about him every day. But then I'm still married to him 40+ years later.
We have 3 wonderful grown children that we were able and prepared to love and raise for a lifetime.
Wishing you peace.
Posted by alice on 06/17/2009 at 09:22pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
The author is very courageous to bring up this story from her past. She's wondering if her career was worth killing 2 babies for and the answer is pretty obvious. Pro choice means pro baby killing- painful or not. Of course it's a hard decision- It's a horrible thing to do. At least this woman has the honesty to realize the horror of what she has done.
Posted by Magictime on 06/17/2009 at 09:35pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
There is a line from the Joy Luck Club that goes like this: "This feather may look worthless, but it comes from afar and carries with it all my good intentions."
Comment #170+ may look like just so many more worthless words, but they come from afar and carry with them good intentions.
I wish you would have never had to go through all this. I'm sorry you got such bad advice.
Some commenters have never been through anything.
They had their Lucky Charms pureed for them.
Today, you didn't link to anything.
We love your links, but today, not one.
We all need links to back us up.
But, today, you stood alone and testified.
You are brave and this sacrifice serves a great purpose.
Here is a line from Keillor:
All of the lovers and the love they made:
Nothing that was between them was a mistake.
All that we did for love's sake,
Is not wasted and will never fade…
Posted by jenx67 on 06/17/2009 at 09:41pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I don't think I said a lot about it in this personal blog-essay on my regrets about my one and only abortion (and only child), but career was an element in my decision. I felt I hadn't accomplished anything of significance yet (I was 36!!) and never would if I had the child. That seems like such bullshit to me now.
Posted by amba (Annie Gottlieb) on 06/17/2009 at 09:45pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
PC,
I was dating a girl that got pregnant during our relationship, and we went back and forth over the entire thing about what to do. I was a stupid kid of 21 or 22 and we ended up getting an abortion. I've lost touch with her since then, but I know she's going great and has a husband and child now.
Our major reasoning to do this was b/c we were "too young" and "didn't know how we would raise a kid," which, in hindsight was wrong.
I think about it constantly and would give up every relationship, friend, and luxury I have now to undo my decision. There's only one person other than us that knows about this and will stay with me for the rest of my life.
I know it must have been hard to not only make the decision, but live with it and discuss it on a blog.
Thank you.
TS
Posted by TS on 06/17/2009 at 10:33pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
PT and fellow readers,
I have read almost every single comment related to this post, and in some strange way it has made me reconsider my thoughts about not wanting to have children (I even recently blogged about not wanting to have children http://kaneisha.com/?p=229). Your post and the following comments make me wonder if my unenthusiasm about having children is tied to my ambitious career goals. Maybe my fear of not attaining my career goals dampened what used to be quite a lot of enthusiasm about having children. Hopefully I won't be put in the situation of having to make this choice until I am ready to do so–but then again, there's never a perfect time. Thanks for sharing your story.
Posted by Kaneisha | The Dream Catcher on 06/17/2009 at 10:36pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
A child does change your life, but it need not stop you from your goals. The thing is, Penelope, when you were first pregnant, did you have the maturity and the focus to be both an ambitious career woman and a mommy? Maybe you are making things work now with job and kids because you have that much more experience under your belt.
You know, I almost think that having kids IMPROVES your chances of a great career. Though children take up your time, they also teach you to prioritize your time and push yourself harder. Before I had kids, I used to think I was busy and that I worked so hard. Now, I think – what did I do with all that free time? Before kids, I watched TV shows, went out with friends, slept in on the weekend. Now I understand how limited my time is, and I make the most of it. I'm 40 and I have MORE stamina because between the kids and work, I just have to keep going. And I'm doing better career-wise for it.
Posted by Grace on 06/17/2009 at 11:29pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
You know, I almost think that having kids IMPROVES your chances of a great career. Though children take up your time, they also teach you to prioritize your time and push yourself harder.
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Eh, sounds 'having kids teaches us to prioritize our time better'. Is it only me, or does someone see something wrong with this logic?
Posted by Jack on 06/19/2009 at 11:01pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I will say that children do affect your ability to do unexpected over-time, or go on impromptu business trips if you can't get good emergency childcare. Some of my co-workers without kids resent this. Because of this, there is a chance that you will get passed on for a promotion/raise. There are some jobs where you are expected to sell your soul and put the job above everything else. Kids are not conducive to these environments, but I don't understand why anyone would want to work in these places anyway.
Posted by Grace on 06/17/2009 at 11:39pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think only that had I had the baby, I would now be forever attached to a very emotionally abusive and man and the damage my years did with him would be so much worse.
Posted by bells on 06/17/2009 at 11:43pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
To the commenter that said having a career shouldn't be the most important thing, I agree that money and status shouldn't be one's reason for living. However, don't underestimate the importance of the right career. Gandhi wasn't very nice to his family, and I'm really glad he chose the career. Cheers to Mother Teresa for not giving it all up to raise her own babies. Yes, I know, we are not all as wonderful as these two selfless icons, but I'm still glad that some ambitious cook cares about making me a beautiful, life-changing sandwich at my favourite deli. We all must do our part!
Posted by Grace on 06/17/2009 at 11:48pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
You wrote, "You never stop thinking about the baby you killed. You never stop thinking about the guy you were with when you killed the baby you made with him. You never stop wondering."
No. YOU never stop wondering. I never started.
15 years later and I *know* I made the right choice. I have never been sorry.
I'm sorry for any suffering you have endured, but don't generalize it out to every other woman on the planet.
Posted by Michelle on 06/18/2009 at 12:28am | permalink | Reply to this comment
That's my experience too.
A child is a lifetime commitment. To enter into it prematurely or ill equipped is asking for a lifetime sentence for yourself and the unsuspecting child/ren who deserve/s your total commitment.
I don't regret either an abortion or a child. But then I, as I suspect you did, entered into my pregnancies and my abortions with great thought and didn't make a decision until the right one was very clear. That meant what was right for our children and our family as well as me.
Posted by alice on 06/18/2009 at 01:15am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I found that a very sad post. I support your right to choose whether or not to continue a pregnancy, but the thing that comes across is that, at least the first time, it wasn't really your choice. I wonder if things would have been different if your mother had supported you better? I'm sad that that was the choice you felt you had to make.
Posted by Quatrefoil on 06/18/2009 at 01:37am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think this post is less about "choice" per se than it is about there never being a right time for kids, regardless of how well or how poorly-equipped you may be for it at that moment.
And because one has no way of knowing how things would have turned out either way, it almost seems as if whatever decision one makes is moot. Hence the constant wondering. Or as Michelle above said, there is no point in wondering at all.
I never thought about it that way before, so i must say, this post is food for thought.
Posted by Jun on 06/18/2009 at 02:01am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I had an abortion last week. It was horrible. But necessary for a number of reasons. Most of them nothing to do with my career. I don't want kids and do all in my power to avoid getting pregnant. I wonder if those who think you are nothing for having an abortion would prefer it if I had had an unwanted baby?
Posted by Tyforthepost on 06/18/2009 at 05:31am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Your directness and honesty about something so sensitive is a beautiful and rare thing. Thank you.
Posted by Myster Lar on 06/18/2009 at 05:36am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I had two abortions within six months of each other in 1977. It was a terrible six months. The first was from using an IUD, the second with a diaphragm that I later found out had not been correctly fitted. Both with my then-lover, now-husband, who I have been married to for 31 years.
No regrets, no therapy. I paid close attention to every phase of my decision. I refused general anesthesia and instead had a local: I did not want to be asleep, I wanted to take full responsibility for it. I lobbied the hospital to allow my lover to be present at the operation (he wanted to, but they refused). I wrote an article about hospital policies afterwards that was published in the city newspaper. Later, my lover and I went into the forest and sat near a dead tree, with a sapling growing out of it, while he played the flute. We acknowledged life and death and the mystery. My mother was dying of cancer at the same time.
I did not have the energy for any of this during the second abortion. But I have no regrets about that one, either. I have chosen not to have children (my husband already had two), and for about ten minutes every year or two I think, "Oh, we'd make great parents," but I never think twice the two abortions.
I used to be more public about my abortions but as the screaming has built over the years, I have learned, wisely, to be more discreet. The raging over abortion in this country is ridiculous.
Posted by Louisa on 06/18/2009 at 06:37am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Someone above wondered about those who chose to keep their baby. I'm one of those.
Did it affect my career? Most certainly.
Would I make the same decision again? You bet. Whenever I look at the resulting child, now a beautiful, successful young adult, I'm simply amazed at what I would have missed had I gone a different route.
I got pregnant when my boyfriend (now husband) and I were in college. We both quit, got married, raised our family and worked jobs that weren't necessarily what we originally planned.
But you know what? Things have a way of working out.
The things we gave up, though seemingly important at the time, in retrospect, really weren't important at all. We still have had successful careers, a comfortable life and many opportunities. God simply led our lives in reverse order: kids first, college and careers second.
What we have now is far better than any career. When my husband and I reflect at the end of each day, it's our children we talk about, not work. We have this special bond between us. Together, we made a baby and together we watched her grow.
Posted by Late Bloomer on 06/18/2009 at 06:48am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thank you. So did I.
Don't see posts like this often enough.
Posted by Adaelamoon on 06/18/2009 at 06:55am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thank you for your courage.
The only thing that's unnatural about abortion is the eerie silence afterward. As a friend told me, it's the secret club that nobody wanted to join. You aren't allowed to talk about it out of fear of the nutcases out there, out of fear of backlash.
It's the rhetoric surrounding abortion that makes it so emotional. In countries without this rhetoric, having an abortion is like have an appendectomy.
Having the courage to speak out breaks this silence. If more women spoke out, this eerie silence would be gone, and the anti-choice movement would have lost their sick power.
Posted by Nancy on 06/18/2009 at 07:05am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Life is hard…No matter how old you are. Age provides one with perspective. An unplanned pregnancy for a young, single woman has to be terrifying. The choices are to keep the baby and deal with the stigma and hardships of being an unwed mother, being "stuck" with the wrong person and trashing your career prospects. Or, having an abortion – which can be done without anyone knowing. I can understand why someone would choose the latter.
I think that choice is fueled by the expectation that success and happiness are a destination. Climb that mountain and you'll reach some plateau where all of your aspirations will converge. It's just not true…Life is a roller coaster with no guarantees…success, money and happiness both come and go at different times in your life whether you have kids or not.
Posted by JR on 06/18/2009 at 07:06am | permalink | Reply to this comment
So much to say, but I can't find the words… Thank you for sharing such a personal story. I only wish more people would have the courage to do the same.
Posted by Grateful on 06/18/2009 at 07:09am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope -
I have enjoyed reading your blog for a number of months. A comment for those in a similar position to your earlier career.
My wife and I have two beautiful, wonderful children from career driven, motivated women such as you. There is another option: adoption. In both of our examples, the mother was young, college bound and career minded.
This is a tough topic and you did a reasonable job discussing the issues. Very brave of you. Please know I am simply stating that adoption is another option. It is the only option for some of us.
David
Posted by augie32 on 06/18/2009 at 07:53am | permalink | Reply to this comment
This needs to be spoken about. Penny, you have taken alot of flak for being forthright in the past. As the current slew of comments show, that trend continues now. Please do not let this topic drop as it will probably affect alot more people (women) even in these enlightened times.
Your job as is blogger is to make people think and see things from a different perspective; with this post you certainly do that.
Thank you!