This is a guest post from Dan Schawbel. He is 25 years old and already, the New York Times has called him a "personal branding guru." Dan's book is Me 2.0: Build a Powerful Brand to Achieve Career Success, and it just came out today.
Personal branding describes a process where individuals differentiate themselves from a crowd by articulating their unique value proposition, whether professional or personal, and then leverage it across platforms with a consistent message to achieve a specific goal. In this way, individuals can enhance their recognition as experts in their field, establish reputation and credibility, advance their careers, and build self-confidence.
Here are five reasons why Generation Y is better at this process than everyone else:
1. We have the least amount of responsibilities.
Personal branding is a very time consuming exercise that most adults don’t do because of the sheer amount of responsibilities they have, which are priorities to them. However, the more time you invest in your personal marketing efforts, the more successful you’ll be. For Gen Y, the amount of hours we have left after classes, interships and jobs, is still greater than an older person in the workforce, with twin babies, a pet dog and a list of errands. Millennials can stay up till 2 or 3 a.m. growing our personal brands using social media tools, such as blogs and social networks like Facebook, LinkedIn and Brazen Careerist, to become more well known in our industry.
2. We're already marketing ourselves intuitively.
We’re all marketing ourselves without thinking much of it, but Gen Y is doing it on steroids. Gen Y is all hyper-connected with mass media, including the fact that their cell phones are an extension of their hands and that we go online more than any other generation. Every time we send out a text message to fifty of our friends or update our status on Facebook to a few thousand friends, we’re marketing ourselves to our world. Then our network spreads our messages to an even greater audience in just minutes. The many marketing lists we’re building online, such as Facebook friends, Twitter followers, and YouTube channel subscribers, are assets that will be useful today and in years to come. Companies that we work for can get the word out for free using our networks.
3. We are equipped with a bottomless pit of marketing tools.
Every communication channel is a marketing tool, and since Gen Y is the most plugged in generation, there isn’t a tool we don’t touch. Aside from the phone and in-person meetings, Gen Y has instant messaging, Skype, social networks, blogging, podcast and more. By using these tools, Gen Y delivers messages faster and in different forms, so we can build our personal brand in a shorter period of time. Members of Gen Y are very proficient using these tools because we grew up with technology and can easily adapt to the changing technological landscape, whereas other generations have a longer learning curve.
4. We understand how to build personal connections to build a brand.
Gen Y’ers are the masters of social media, which means we understand that marketing exists through other people. We use social media tools to put us in touch with other people who can help make us more successful. Since we are young, we can connect with older generations who can share experiences, lessons learned and other career advice. We are more productive at work by being connected to more people who can help answer questions. Gen Y-ers can position themselves in their company as the go-to-person for all technology needs, making them an invaluable asset to their work group.
5. They have no choice but to be marketing mavens.
Standing out among the millions of job seekers is quite hard in this economy and the competition to succeed in any industry isn’t declining anytime soon. Internship hiring will be cut by 21%, co-op hiring by 11% and 22% less jobs for 2009 graduates, according to NACE. The amount of pressure on millennials is immense and it forces them to rethink the way they are perceived and how they market themselves to stand out from the pack. Gen Y can showcase our website, blog and other unique items that can differentiate us, relative to other applicants that are applying for the same jobs. We spend more time figuring out what makes us unique, compelling and marketable to employers because otherwise we'll be jobless.
This is a guest post from Dan Schawbel. He is 25 years old and already, the New York Times has called him a "personal branding guru." Dan's book is Me 2.0: Build a Powerful Brand to Achieve Career Success, and it just came out today.





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Posted by tinyhands on April 7, 2009 at 9:56 am | permalink |
Good article, thanks alot for the info.
Posted by DakotaSiouxCasino on April 7, 2009 at 9:57 am | permalink |
I think #3 can go both ways, especially with Gen Y. Some Gen Yers aren't aware how easily they can create a negative personal brand because of the size of their network. So I agree that Gen Y does great self-promotion but might add be careful what you're promoting.
As always, thanks for the insight Dan.
PS – hi P'lope! :)
Posted by elysa on April 7, 2009 at 10:05 am | permalink |
Wow, biggest tool ever.
Posted by k on April 7, 2009 at 10:11 am | permalink |
Although I applaud the enthusiasm for Dan's Me 2.0 concept and the clever term, these are not new concepts. The channels and the technology are different, but the overall "build your brand" and networking are as old as business itself.
Posted by Wendy on April 7, 2009 at 10:13 am | permalink |
I think the last point you make speaks volumes: 'They have no choice but to be marketing mavens'.
That is the situation we are in, like it or not – using the web to network and promote yourself is no longer a 'bandwagon' to jump on – it's a way of life for 20-somethings, and it's necessary, for better or for worse, for people to use the power of the web to market themselves, build there personal brand, and get noticed. But, the process is two-fold. We have to not only ourselves, we have to focus on contributing to the community, adding to discussions, providing a unique perspective, giving people something to take-away and remember us by. We have to be proactive and outgoing.
It's not as easy as saying 'This is why I'm great and here's why you should love me'. It's about adding value to everything you do. And THAT is where you establish a reputation, THAT is where you mold and shape your personal brand. Not only in your own neck of the woods, but in communities in networks all over the place.
Reach out, and you'll be amazed at what you get in return for your efforts.
Posted by Matt Cheuvront on April 7, 2009 at 10:15 am | permalink |
The critic's message is that "we" are also good at marketing because of high ego drives and self-absorption which is why I caution Gen Y'ers to be balanced in their approach.
I think the good part about your argument is that you are a great example of that balance: Someone who gives back enough to others that people don't mind when you want to share a bazillion stories about your book. But I've seen those who are only interested in serving themselves and being self-absorbed and those are usually the social media dumpster fires you read about.
Balance baby. Balance.
Posted by Lance Haun on April 7, 2009 at 10:18 am | permalink |
So what's the message here, or is this just mental masturbation? I can't imagine anyone is googling blog posts on how great gen Y is. Let's move on to something else.
Instead of talking about how great you are, how about some tips for how previous generations can adopt gen y's self-marketing mentality?
Posted by Anna on April 7, 2009 at 10:26 am | permalink |
Anna, that's a fair point. I'm never terribly fond of PT's twentysomething guest posts, and I'm never sure why. I think you nailed it for me.
As a 24 year old, I wish my generation would spend more time solving genuine problems and less time congratulating ourselves for how special we are.
This post would have been infinitely more useful and accessible were its angle "What Gen Y can teach you about branding yourself."
Posted by Danilo Campos on April 7, 2009 at 10:46 am | permalink |
@Dan: This is yet another example of grand, sweeping statements backed up by absolutely nothing. You don't necessarily need to include hard statistics, but what about examples of how this works? Right now it's just you saying it, and that doesn't demonstrate anything at all.
Besides, neither branding nor personal branding is new. Labels? Yes, fairly new. Tools? Sure, lots of those are new. Concepts? Not at all new.
Posted by KateNonymous on April 7, 2009 at 10:42 am | permalink |
I know that if I want a dose of pablum, I can rely on the Twentysomething feature @ Brazen Careerist. One question — if you're in your twenties and haven't accomplished much yet, what are you promoting? The promise of accomplishment, or perhaps just nothing at all? The first point — "Personal branding is a very time consuming exercise that most adults don’t do because of the sheer amount of responsibilities they have" — had me laughing out loud. I read it as admitting that Ge Yers have nothing better to do than to promote themselves.
Get a hobby, already.
And get off my lawn!!
Posted by GInger Rose on April 7, 2009 at 10:45 am | permalink |
Hey Ginger – I agree with your point here, this post does come off a bit as 'We have nothing better to do than to personal brand ourselves'. Speaking as a twenty-something Gen Y'er myself – I see personal branding as nothing more than putting yourself out there and engaging with others. It's really nothing specific to generation-y, the only difference is, we grew up in this tech-savvy environment, so maybe we have a step up and know how to use these 'new tools' to our advantage.
It's not about promoting myself and my professional accomplishments. You can look at my resume, and while it's nothing to slouch at for a 23 year old, it's not impressive by any means. I promote myself as a human being, I promote my passions, thoughts, emotions, and opinions – I am actively involved in countless numbers of conversations and ongoing discussions. Each one leaves a bread crumb back to the 'ME' in everything – who I am, my personal brand, and the legacy I continue to build around myself.
I don't think it's restricted to generations, I just think we have grown up as the web-generation and learned from an early age how valuable of a tool it can be to advance your 'personal brand' to the masses.
Posted by Matt Cheuvront on April 7, 2009 at 11:12 am | permalink |
Hi, Matt. You promote yourself as a 'human being', not as a worker, in the workplace? How odd. I thought workplaces were a place to do, you know, work. 'Hire me because I give good talk' seems to be the sales pitch. Talk without results is, as they say, pretty cheap.
Posted by GInger Rose on April 7, 2009 at 3:05 pm | permalink |
What I notice about this guy is that he can't spell "achieve" correctly. So the take-away brand message I get is: Remember not to hire this guy for public outreach, because he can't even get right things that he must have seen ten thousand times.
Posted by Martha on April 7, 2009 at 10:59 am | permalink |
Are there any Gen Y's in a profession other than marketing? Doesn't seem like it, unless you count blogging from Mom and Dad's basement while half-heartedly searching for that "dream job" as a profession.
Posted by Bill on April 7, 2009 at 11:06 am | permalink |
Interesting article, but I disagree with the premise that Gen Y is the most productive, lined-in, networked generation.
The biggest thing I see is Point 4; I'm not sure that Gen Y has some innate ability to build a network that leads to brand building.
This implies that individuals of Gen Y population as a whole each have some inherent personal brand to build and promote.
I would be surprised to see any sort of evidence or research that indicates the majority of this 20 something population have so individually self-developed at this point in their young careers, that they have a personalized and developed "brand" to offer to the world.
Kudos to the generation as a whole if they do though!
Posted by david on April 7, 2009 at 11:21 am | permalink |
With respect to #5, this is quite frankly, baloney.
In the early 1980s, we were in a recession as deep as this one. Young workers had just as much difficulty finding employment as they do today. The difference I see is that many GenY who think marketing and personal branding is all they can do have chosen to surrender any effort in doing what it takes to build a resume or work experience that then translates to an employee with value to a prospective employer.
You have to have accomplished something beyond blogging about your European sabbatical after college and what you did with your friends last weekend. That has NO value in the corporate world.
But if accomplishing something means that you waited tables, worked in a warehouse, made copies for the accounting department, or other such mundane work (which quite frankly many of my fellow boomers did to get their feet in the door) to make ends meet and get independent and into the workforce, that is at the very least an indication of your character and determination to succeed.
Waiting for the dream job and assuming that blogging and affiliate marketing from home as the extent of your job experience is not in my humble opinion the pathway to that job where you can earn a good living on your iPhone working from wherever you want when you want.
Posted by Steve on April 7, 2009 at 11:59 am | permalink |
I think you meant, "upper middle class college graduate generation Yers with a support system"
Everyone has errands and the less people you have helping out with that stuff, the less time you have for self-marketing. The reality that the gen Yers have more time than an older persons in the workforce, with twin babies, a pet dog and a list of errands HAS ALWAYS BEEN TRUE for "upper middle class college graduate generation Yers with a support system"
This a a "time" "age" and "money" issue and not a generational issue. All good points here, but its all applicable to segments of the other generations. I saw these patterns with "rich Gen X friends" and my mother saw it with "rich Boomer friends".
Steve, also has a good point.
Posted by boohoo on April 7, 2009 at 12:19 pm | permalink |
I agree with the comments wondering just what all this "personal branding" actually does. Yes, I see it's getting your name out there and you're networking with lots of people. And yes, networking is important (I suppose the term networking is outdated a bit?)
But, really, what are you DOING? When do you actually get any work done? All this time spent blogging, twittering, and whatnot is very time consuming and if you are anything but a marketing person, it definitely takes away from constructive action time.
Has anyone spent much time going through Brazen Career bloggers? Read 2-3 people's blogs and you've read them all. They all write about the same things, they all link back and forth to one another, and they all feed each other with comments. It's a given when Penelope covers a topic, within a day the trickle affect starts with each of her Gen Y bloggers. There's so much self-analyzation and wondering about life I want to yell "quit thinking, get off the computer and start living!"
Posted by sophie on April 7, 2009 at 12:49 pm | permalink |
Damn Sophie. Somebody finally nailed it. When will all these bloggers:
1. Come up with an original message,
2. Actually accomplish something?
Posted by Nailed IT on April 8, 2009 at 4:27 am | permalink |
Bravo Sophie. Bravo.
Posted by LuckyK on April 8, 2009 at 8:17 am | permalink |
If Facebook and Twitter are such great marketing tools, why do most of their users only broadcast things like "[Name] is sooo hungover from the party last night!" or "[Name] does not want to go work today!"
Posted by Melanie E. Dunn on April 7, 2009 at 12:55 pm | permalink |
If that's all you see, you're doing it wrong. :D
(In other words, it's more about how you choose to use these tools … social networking platforms are more about authenticity than credibility and – as such – arre resistant to standard marketing practice. Admitting imperfection and weakness encourages others to deal with you as a person, rather than some faceless marketing bot. But yes, if the hungover and the workshy are dominating your feed, you need to find yourself some better contacts.)
Posted by Justin Pickard on April 7, 2009 at 1:14 pm | permalink |
Actually, Twitter, etc. aren't resistant to corporate marketing practices. Soon, Twitter marketing will be standard; the learning curve's a little steep, but I still remember a pre-commodified web.
What I keep reading in these comments is a lack of distinction between the 'authentic' self and the 'professional' self. I think it's an appealing dream to be able to live a full integrated life, where the person you are with your friends and family can be the person you are at work. But trust me, no one at work wants to hear about your benders, whether or not you're being authentic.
Posted by GInger Rose on April 7, 2009 at 3:11 pm | permalink |
It doesn't matter one bit if you market yourself if you can't get the details right.
Was it the New York Times or U.S. News and World Report that called this guy a guru? (See the intro and the bio at the end of the post).
Posted by Lyrehca on April 7, 2009 at 12:59 pm | permalink |
Really? Again with the Gen Y self promotion? Why? Is this generation's collective capability so much in question? Doest thou protest too much? Is this generation so busy marketing itself it doesn't bother to do its homework about other groups? Crikey, every generation can claim it has more tools to work with then the prior one. Does the number of marketing tools at one disposal automatically translate into the users being better marketers? I suppose it does if the party claiming credit thinks no further than its own nose.
Posted by Gene on April 7, 2009 at 1:00 pm | permalink |
Sophie's comment -
"But, really, what are you DOING?"
Couldn't be said more starkly than that.
Marketing-cum-networking-cum-blogging … In the 90s, pyramid schemes were all the rage (I get you to get 5 people to join/link, who in turn each get 5 more people to join/link…) – seems they still are.
You know the score.
People are connected, but what is actually produced?
Posted by david on April 7, 2009 at 1:12 pm | permalink |
Off the top of my head: wikipedia, hexayurts, ubuntu, Barack Obama, OhMyNews, The Huffington Post, protein folding, Craigslist, eBay, $500 genetically-modified organisms, and large swathes of the microfinance sector.
I mean, I do understand your point, but this kind of navel-gazing/contact-gathering (at its least self-indulgent) is actually at the root of a whole lot of peer production practices … things that wouldn't have previously been possible … and a model that seems to be proliferating at great speed.
Posted by Justin Pickard on April 7, 2009 at 1:29 pm | permalink |
Gen Yers may use the above, but in that respect, that makes them consumers rather creators.
Craigslist – developed by Craig Newmark c.1995 (genX)
Ebay – by Pierre Omidyar c.1995 (genX)
Huffington Post – by Arianna c.2006 (boomer)
OhMyNews – by Oh Yeon Ho c.2000 (genX)
I think navel-gazing is essential, and does in fact lead to the next generation of trend-setters.
I just have yet see Gen Y as trend-setters Currently.
By like all generations, their time will come …
Posted by david on April 7, 2009 at 2:43 pm | permalink |
Reasons that Personal Branding is silly for GenY:
1. It's too early to brand yourself. Imagine Luke Skywalker's personal brand before he met Obi Wan. No significant experience = nothing to talk about.
2. Despite what you think, you're not unique or compelling. I've met you before. A hundred times.
3. The people who matter don't see your brand. People who don't have time to use Facebook or MySpace certainly don't grasp the subtleties of the medium, let alone trust it enough to base decisions on it.
4. Your blog is boring. It's great that you're going though self examination and that you're learning about human nature and the things that make the world work. It's just not compelling to anyone but your peers.
Tim Dellinger
Posted by timdellinger on April 7, 2009 at 1:26 pm | permalink |
In response to Tim
1. You may not have 'experience' to brand, but it's never too early to start networking, communicating, and engaging within personal and professional communities.
2. So no one is unique or compelling? What makes someone unique? Are we all, and by 'we' I mean everyone, not just twenty-something’s, just boring sheep that no one cares about? Sounds like a pretty pessimistic outlook on life.
3. I'll agree that personal branding is more than putting yourself out on social networking sites. You have to get OFF the computer and meet people, but the two can go hand-in-hand.
4. I disagree – self examination is a part of life, an unexamined life is not worth living. I'm not trying to drop philosophical jargon on you (even though I just did) – but I learn a lot about myself through the process of self examination and self actualization. Other's opinions and ideas (while many should be taken with a grain of salt) contribute to my overall growth as a human being. It sounds like you are too quick to discount other's opinions and throw out the 'no one cares' card.
Posted by Matt Cheuvront on April 7, 2009 at 1:36 pm | permalink |
"it's never too early to start networking, communicating, and engaging within personal and professional communities."
– that's true, but you can do that without a brand. Indeed, you'll look less like an ass without the whole 'brand' baggage.
"So no one is unique or compelling? "
– I think what he means is that if everyone is a chattering brandbot, he's heard it before.
"You have to get OFF the computer and meet people, but the two can go hand-in-hand."
– that's right, and in some cases computer contact facilitates face to face meetings. In other cases, they can inhibit them. When two brandbots get together, it's ugly.
"self examination is a part of life, an unexamined life is not worth living."
– nothing wrong with self-examination, but do you have to share it all?
Posted by GInger Rose on April 7, 2009 at 3:18 pm | permalink |
At least stop saying "we." I'm 26, but I'm not like you, and this is getting embarrassing. Penelope, these columns are stupid and they hurt your personal brand. Should I even bother going through the list of problems here?
1. The bios at the the top and bottom don't match. You only need one, and was it the NY Times or US News and World Report?
2. Not every 20-something has your life. Really. What about poor people? People who didn't go to college? People who (*gasp*) don't own a computer? You can be young and still have responsibilities.
3. What is a "longer learning curve"? That phrase doesn't mean anything. While we're at it, less vs. fewer: while there are some good prescriptivist arguments for using them interchangeably, your usage was jarring.
4. You didn't actually say anything that is useful to anyone else. You've branded yourself, to be sure, but you've branded yourself a tool.
The thing about branding is that it's like dressing well, or being able to make interesting conversation. Those things are hugely helpful in your career. But if you have no actual substance, they won't get you far. I'm a scientist. If I don't ACTUALLY PRODUCE RESULTS, nobody will care how charming and unique and special and snowflake-like I am.
Penelope: please stop posting this guy. The posts make you look bad! What if a potential investor comes to your site, skims this column (investors are busy people, after all), and then leaves in disgust because he or she thinks that you wrote this nonsense? Or even that you endorse it?
Posted by DT on April 7, 2009 at 1:43 pm | permalink |
Bravo!
I wish more young people (and I don't say that deprecatingly at all, even though I could be your mother) wrote (and thought) like you. You even noticed the bad grammar. Wow.
I wish everyone (young, 'young,' and 'old') would stop to question the status quo instead of chasing their own tails. Okay, one's own tail is familiar and interesting, but there's a lot more out there…. The examined life is not narcissism. It means not being in denial about one's flaws and true motivations; that self-knowledge brings us closer to what counts: connection to others in an honest and cooperative manner.
Too much of 'branding' (and other business-world paradigms) seems to focus on ambition as its own reward. You don't have to be under 30 to be a money-mad, tunnel-thinking egotist with no regard for anything that doesn't provide support for # 1. If, on Earth Day, no less, we want a hint of how we got to the point of soiling our own nest so egregiously, I vote for that!
Posted by Lou on April 22, 2010 at 11:35 am | permalink |
Have to agree with Anna, Danilo, and KateNonymous.
Penelope, I would encourage you to stop showcasing all these boring guest posts from my fellow know-it-all Gen Y-ers. We're not all so fixated on blogging about social networking and marketing.
Posted by Anca on April 7, 2009 at 1:51 pm | permalink |
Okay. . . so Gen Y has more time to market themselves using social media. Is that different than the time that Gen X or the Boomers had to market themselves using cocktail hours and actual networking sessions? If so, HOW is it different?
"Exposure" is not the same as "marketing." I see no evidence ANYWHERE in this article that relates to the forethought and self-knowledge necessary to create a cohesive personal brand.
Posted by Sara on April 7, 2009 at 1:53 pm | permalink |
You've apparently got the sizzle, but what about the steak? It's great that Gen Y can stay up until 2am without lots of consequences, but can you deliver large and complex projects on a global scale?
Posted by Robert on April 7, 2009 at 2:25 pm | permalink |
As a 23-year-old, I think I can fairly say, "This is why people hate 'millenials.'"
Posted by Adam on April 7, 2009 at 2:25 pm | permalink |
I find much of what Gen Y is contributing is revived from previous generations and re-purposed for current technology. The problem comes when they don't know that they've borrowed it and don't understand it's context. They run the risk of tripping over the same rock as their grandparents who had their own little awareness revolution. I have high hopes for gen-Y to contribute something original that really boosts the GNP.
Posted by Bob Shawgo on April 7, 2009 at 2:29 pm | permalink |
My thoughts exactly, Bob. The last time I had a good laugh on this site was when I read that the boomers had polluted the environment. It seems the Ys don't know who to credit or blame.
Posted by Marcia on April 7, 2009 at 5:02 pm | permalink |
I've read through some of the comments, and as a part of this so-called "Gen Y" who loves to blog, here's my 2 cents.
1. I personally have gained a lot out of social networking. Although I don't particularly have a strong online personal brand, I find a lot of value out of using Twitter and blogging in the right way. I've connected with many people in the fields I'm interested in; I was able to email them for job and career advice and was able to gain SO SO SO much incredibly helpful information regarding jobs out of college. This was very beneficial to me and I think personal branding helps to connect you to those people and helps you definitely improve your own knowledge and skills in terms of job hunting and figuring out what you want to do in life.
2. Even though I am only 20 and a current college student, I don't think its fair to say I (or my peers) have absolutely no experience. Sure, perhaps I don't have extensive experience working in a corporation or firm, but I do have my own interests, passions, and talents. I have taken on significant leadership positions throughout my college career and have worked on starting up and revitalizing clubs on campus. I've lead teams of students, and I've written for the daily newspaper at my school. I think I'm a hard worker, both in my studies and also in my activities. And through my major I have learned a lot about the world – politics and economics. Is that so wrong for me to want to create a personal brand showcasing my interests? Many personal brands for 20 somethings aren't all about claiming they are an expert, but just about speaking from the experience they DO have, even if it's little, and drawing important lessons from that that we can impart to others.
I do think it's wrong to say that EVERYONE in my generation wants to blog and establish a personal brand, but I don't think its ludicrous for us to want to do so as part of our personal and professional development.
Posted by Akhila on April 7, 2009 at 2:34 pm | permalink |
Woo woo Gen Y is the most awesome generation ever! It's fantastic that our generation is social media savvy but let's be real; the low barrier to entry of social media has created a glut of crap columns, self proclaimed experts, and repetitive/ recycled sets of "tips, tricks, dos, don'ts, top 10's, 11's, 12's" and any other numbered list that is more reflective of the limit of the writer's ideas rather than an judicious selection of truly top concepts developed through experience and trial and error.
Personal branding is a valid skill and the expanding number of mediums by which you can achieve it are exciting; but there are only so many ways you can tell people how great you are. At some point we as a generation (and country not to get too preachy) should turn our attention to the true value add (product quality/ development, consumer satisfaction, competitive advantage, etc.) that can be gained through social media tools rather than the bs perceived value add (almost everything posted on this blog and the crazen bareerist).
Posted by Adam on April 7, 2009 at 2:37 pm | permalink |
@ Ginger – I promote myself as a worker and a human being. I am a worker right now, working for one of the largest Ad agencies in the Southeast, but my HUMAN qualities are what make me a good worker and an asset to any company. My results in the workplace (and outside of it) speak for themselves. We (collectively) sell ourselves as a 'total package' not just a widget that can come in and function within a specific heavily structured task. There are some companies that require that, and to those, I show no interest. I have no right to be extremely choosy in my career path at this point, but I know what kind of environment I will and will not be super-successful in. Can I do something I don't love and that I'm not passionate about, of course – but in the end I want to use both my work and human talents and want a company that enables and encourages both (my current situation is such). I talk the talk and walk the walk.
Posted by Matt Cheuvront on April 7, 2009 at 3:21 pm | permalink |
"I have no right to be extremely choosy in my career path at this point, but I know what kind of environment I will and will not be super-successful in."
I'm impressed that you have such extensive self-knowledge at this point. I think what puts me and some of the other commenters off here is that I don't see any possibility that you might… you know… learn something about yourself in the future that throws much of this in disarray.
I conduct research on youth and development, and let me tell you, when you're in your mid twenties you're still figuring things out. Hell, I'm in my forties and I'm still figuring things out, and have the humility to acknowledge life as a big learning curve. It's the arrogance of such a position which makes me feel sorry for you. You know already, for sure, what makes you happy. What do you think of Penelope's earlier advice to try out lots of things when you're young? Really. Do it now, it'll be a lot easier than when you're older. In my twenties I was a musician.
And yes, I'm sure you're a very unique and special people, but you need to realize that there are lots and lots of unique and special people in the world, and success often depends less on branding than on dumb luck, and some hard work.
Posted by GInger Rose on April 7, 2009 at 3:28 pm | permalink |
We can banter back and forth all you want – you can be right, I can be right, neither of us can be right – your 'elder' status does not make you an expert on me knowing what I do and do not like. I’m not an expert, and I never claimed to be. You seem to be labeling me as an 'arrogant know-it-all' which is FAR from the truth. I'm 23, I graduated college a year ago, I have NO IDEA what I want to do with my life – I am going to try new things, I have pondered everything from selling billboards to opening a coffee shop to joining the Peace Corps. Believe me – I am extremely open-minded when it comes to trying new things.
But yes, as amazing and as shocking as it may be, at the age of twenty three, I know I will never fit in to a company that doesn't value me as an employee and give me some room for creativity. I will never be a pencil-pusher doing something I hate. I'm not doing that right now, I love my job, it's great experience, especially for someone my age. If I have to take a step back at some point and do something less appealing, I'll take two more steps forward after that.
Look, I don't claim to be an expert on life or the human condition, but I am far from this 'over entitled lazy know it all' stereotype you and several others slap on anyone under the age of 30. I'm entirely independent, I take care of myself, I don't depend on anyone but me, I'm not sitting at home taking handouts, I'm 23, supporting myself 100%, paying for a brand new car, about to get married, living my life and loving it, learning, growing, and yeah, on the side, promoting the hell out of myself so I can establish some cred amongst my peers and the general public. Personal branding isn't all for nothing. Some people sit quietly and pay their dues to gain respect, some people promote the heck out of themselves and what they have to offer – I do a little of both, and there is nothing wrong with either.
We can agree to disagree and leave it at that. I see your points and I think they are valid, but I think you are too quick to label me without knowing anything about me.
Posted by Matt Cheuvront on April 7, 2009 at 3:42 pm | permalink |
"But yes, as amazing and as shocking as it may be, at the age of twenty three, I know I will never fit in to a company that doesn't value me as an employee and give me some room for creativity."
Which is to say. . . you're just like everyone else. NO ONE can be truly happy somewehre they don't feel valued and have no room for creativity. That's not something unique to Gen Y.
Posted by Sara on April 8, 2009 at 8:20 am | permalink |
I think the real question then is:
Why do you feel the need to promote yourself as a human being?
Posted by Carol on April 7, 2009 at 3:30 pm | permalink |
Am I the only one that thinks when Gen & becomes "older person[s]," as he so gently points out, with "twin babies, a pet dog and a list of errands," that their lives are going to completely fall apart? They seem to be very good at managing online assets, etc., but I see nothing that indicates actual life skills from the majority that I meet. I think they have a very shocking reality to come crashing down upon in their future. This is a generation that is looking more and more self-serving and self-reverential than the yuppies did in the 80s, and they're going to get served a rough landing when they realize life is not all about networking. What a mess the next decade or so is going to be, and what frightening chaos their kids are going to be.
Posted by Tom on April 7, 2009 at 3:40 pm | permalink |
And on top of all of this, was anyone else struck by how jargon-filled the introductory paragraph was?
"differentiate"
"articulate their value proposition"
"leverage it across platforms"
"consistent message"
"enhance their recognition"
And that's in just two sentences.
Posted by KateNonymous on April 7, 2009 at 4:14 pm | permalink |
This comment thread is eerily familiar. It reminds me of when I got out of college in 1990 and everyone called us Gen X slackers. Then the Bush I recession hit and we were unlucky dead-enders who would never earn more money than our parents. Then Netscape went public and we were technological geniuses who were re-writing the rules of business. (Once upon a time a company had to have rising profits for eight consecutive quarters before it could IPO). Then the dotcom bubble collapsed and we were ponzi schemers trying to sell pet food and toothpaste online.
Then actual ponzi schemers destroyed the economy. Then Gen Y came along and we were irrelevant. Thank god.
Posted by Derek Scruggs on April 7, 2009 at 4:17 pm | permalink |
Great post. I can see it's creating quite a stir in the comments. The sign of a great blog.
Posted by Sharon Wilson on April 7, 2009 at 6:05 pm | permalink |
The comments have much more value than the initial post.
Posted by Marcia on April 8, 2009 at 11:32 am | permalink |
With all the on-line branding, differentiating, and leveraging going on
I don't see how anyone besides Gen Y has time to Twitter. Fortunately, for those of us who are now irrelevant due to our busy personal lives there is Flutter. http://tiny.cc/WhEuw
Posted by Leslie on April 7, 2009 at 6:44 pm | permalink |
Okay, so the real problem I have with these posts is the instinctive impression they give of the writer as essentially Paris Hilton wanna be's.
In a country where you are facing major economic crisis and are in a society that has had at least 5 mass shotings in the last few weeks these posts say that the writers are completely self aware but don't see what's going on around them. I didn't see any reflection of what is going on in the "real" world in this writing, and as such it actually reads as out of touch and dated.
As pointed out in other comments, other generations have done / faced all that you are facing and in many instances have harnessed it to a much better effect, continuing to write how good you are is actually harming your brand, not enhancing it. Not to mention the damage it's doing to Penelope's brand.
Posted by Tania on April 7, 2009 at 8:00 pm | permalink |
A review of Dan's book on Amazon says almost the same thing you point out – that they are Paris Hiltons (famous for being famous, she; successful for saying they're successful, they):
"This kid started to write about personal branding years ago, and he's only in his early 20s right now. His success stems purely from him talking about his success; Schawbel hasn't a long-established career to draw from true personal experiences. Clearly, Schawbel is asserting that he's a born personal branding guru, and that, unfortunately, is farthest from the truth. While Me 2.0 offers some valid advice, I would take much of the author's anecdotes with a grain of salt, given his lack of extensive industry experience."
This generation, or at least this facet of this generation, isn't out of touch. They're entirely in touch, all the time, with themselves and only others of their ilk that serve them and have little use for anyone or anything that doesn't further their careers. It's rather sickening and saddening that we're seeing the zombie spawn of yuppies when it seemed like nothing could be worse than the yuppies themselves. I am truly worried about what the future holds for us as these self-centered, shallow, ego-driven machines slowly take over the world. They don't seem particularly talented at anything but talking about themselves. Are they going to be relying on us "older people" to actually do the work for them?
Posted by Tom on April 8, 2009 at 8:04 am | permalink |
I totally agree with everything on here! Its funny I didn't even mean to but have done a damn fine job marketing myself and actually blogged about it a while ago!
http://tinyurl.com/cr9uu2
Posted by Catie V on April 7, 2009 at 9:42 pm | permalink |
i agree that my gen y staff are better at the twittering and networking and blogging than i am. i'm running a project and they are networking, blogging and twittering. because of gen y arrogance, they assume that i don't know what they are up to. For my staff who are productive, i don't really care. For my staff who are busy writing eco newsletters in lieu of working on deadlines and so forth – well i hope that the networking pays off.
however most jobs eventually require some sort of skills or competency. all of the self promotion in the world will not trump actually doing work and getting actual work experience.
Posted by nadia on April 7, 2009 at 11:23 pm | permalink |
Don't hate the player, hate the game. Dan is putting himself out there, and is opening himself to all the praise/scorn that will come his way. Question to those who say he can't spell, or hasn't produced any real work. He has his own book and has been praised by NYT. How many of us can say that. Plus the kid is only 25 yrs old. Anyone else write a book by their 25th birthday? Boomers thought Gen X (my classification)were slackers, but someone pointed out we as a group invented some pretty cool stuff or built some incredible organizations. Gen Y will too…and the next generation…and so on. Congrats Dan, keep writing and keep branding.
Posted by Kevin on April 8, 2009 at 12:26 am | permalink |
This post makes me embarrassed to be part of generation y. People above have made excellent points. The poster is indeed generalizing as if all of us are upper middle class college graduates with mom and dad's couch to fall back on and nothing better to do than sit around rephrasing the same cocky I'm-so-hip-and-important-because-I-can-make-myself-appear-that-way-online garbage. Anyone can make a pretty web site and network. But what's behind it? Why not take advantage of your youthful energy and ideals to do something that might actually help this world (without broadcasting it)?
And seriously – 'branding' yourself at age 25? Let's take a cue from other cultures and see what we can learn from those with experience before blabbering to everyone else on how best to do things.
Posted by Laura in London on April 8, 2009 at 6:05 am | permalink |
Congratulations on your transformation from a human being into a pack of cigarettes.
Posted by Ken Wolman on April 8, 2009 at 6:11 am | permalink |
That's the funniest thing I've heard all day.
I'm not taking the piss here but have you seen this guy's video resume? I think he has Down Syndrome.
Posted by Nailed IT on April 8, 2009 at 6:47 am | permalink |
If the two Gen-Y's that used to work for me had spent a little less time "branding themselves" and a little more time "working for the man" during the forty hours they were being paid I wouldn't be on Gen-Yer #3. On both counts they were relieved of the stress of having to show up at 8:00AM since they felt the need to bypass the web filter we have in place (we're IT they have the ability) to complain about how "the man" is infringing upon their rights to express themselves with "his" inflexible work schedule.
Never mind they knew the schedule when the contract was signed and both started trying to modify their schedule within a month. Me, I'll take angry and bitter Gen-Xer's any day. At least they seem to remember the tech crash and realize "the man" isn't here to help with them find themselves between 8:00 and 5:00.
Getting fired for blogging about / from work is often called being "dooced". Would the two Y's above have been "branded"?
Posted by phineas g. on April 8, 2009 at 7:14 am | permalink |
Gen Y is the greatest generation in the history of the world, and Dan Schawbel is the greatest member of Gen Y. Other than a few presentations for a crappy tech company, what have you really DONE? Personal branding should lead to opportunities, not just twittering your unemployed friends how great you are.
Posted by 34 year old guy on April 8, 2009 at 7:33 am | permalink |
Wow, Laura from London has made the best comment yet. We need to be listening to her.
Emily Yoffe's article contributes our suffering economy to the narcissism of America. Of course, we can't blame just Gen Y for the "I'm-so-great, I-deserve-it" style of consumerism. We're all guilty of that.
Rough times are good for us. They keep us in check. We're forced to realize we're not inherently anymore special than the next guy and that, yes, if we want to get somewhere in life we're going to have to work hard, pay our dues and wait our turn just like everyone else.
Posted by rennie on April 8, 2009 at 7:45 am | permalink |
I'm going to be the old Luddite here – don't we still have a major issue in turning "presence" and tech networking into $$? I have no doubt that someone so young that he has no responsibilities has much more time than an adult to be out there twittering, commenting on websites, blogging, etc. – but how is that going to turn into a career, a living, cold hard cash? THAT is the jump that must be made before any of this amounts to more than narcissism and chatting with one's friends electronically.
Also, yes, Laura from London rocks. Great comment.
Posted by MJ on April 8, 2009 at 8:29 am | permalink |
Well, how useful is all this interconnectedness if it isn't put to good use?
While there are certainly people taking advantage of, and utilizing these tools for dissemination of information and overall communication, I also see a lot of junk that gets published and passed on. This morning I had two updates from friends with a new status of their dentist appointment. I mean, really, who wants to hear that!
I would say less than 10% of friends actually publish worthwhile information, and have something valuable. So I can't say that Gen-Y can brand themselves better, but I think it's worth saying that they know how to use the tools that are available to better brand oneself.
Now here's another effective use of these tools that also better prepares Gen-Y:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/08/world/europe/08moldova.html?_r=1&hp
Posted by Daniel C. de A. Botelho on April 8, 2009 at 8:39 am | permalink |
Which is to say. . . you're just like everyone else. NO ONE can be truly happy somewhere they don't feel valued and have no room for creativity. That's not something unique to Gen Y.
@ Sarah – I never made a claim that I (or Generation Y) was overly unique or extraordinary – we (collectively) are victims of circumstance – we grew up in different times, we use different tools than past generations did to promote ourselves, in the end, we're all striving to achieve common goals, but might be using different methods to do so.
Posted by Matt Cheuvront on April 8, 2009 at 8:47 am | permalink |
Personal branding is important especially in this state of economy. What about relationship building? There's no talk about solid relationship building which also builds your personal brand. Never underestimate the power of an in-person conversation. Since you have so much time building your personal brand, how about helping me? I can help you to build skills for a face-to-face network.
Posted by Shelley on April 8, 2009 at 9:27 am | permalink |
I'm disappointed that Dan Schawbel hasn't responded to any of the comments. Dan has put himself out there and the community has taken the time to read and respond to his post. This article is better for the comments that you just don't get in a one way broadcast version but a response from the author would be nice.
I did like – "Since we are young, we can connect with older generations who can share experiences, lessons learned and other career advice."
So my response is – Since I am 'old', I am more than willing to share .. and learn from young and old. Please do us a favor and try not to use the 'Gen Y' and 'better' classifications together so that it's easier to have a conversation.
Posted by Mark W. on April 8, 2009 at 9:45 am | permalink |
Here we go again.
Doesn't matter what your age is, if you have passion for your field everything else will follow, including your ability to 'brand' yourself in your field.
Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn for your 'branding'?
I worked at Microsoft for over 10 years and even I snicker at that. You may want to revisit why you are putting so much importance on those sites.
But then again, I was only able to retire early and switch careers before the age of 40, so what the hell do I know?
Posted by finance girl on April 8, 2009 at 9:59 am | permalink |
As a boomer the perceived arrogance of the author certainly does annoy me. However, I must congratulate Mr. Schawbel on being savvy enough to convince a large group of people, including the NYT, that he is an "expert" in his field. Is he savvy or is the audience gullible? I'll leave that to the experts.
I do have to wonder though that with everyone working so hard to brand themselves, at the end of the day, who is actually doing the work? Last time I checked inventing ones self is not actually a product or service to be sold or exported.
I also must take exception to the assumption that Gen Y is better equipped to utilize the technology of today. Those skills are simply a matter of desire, initiative, and need. Not something that is unique to any particular generation.
As far as being plugged in and connected 24×7, Gen Y can have it. I don't need to be Twittering or posting to Facebook while I'm out with friends, on a dinner date, or perusing the aisles at the grocery store. I'd much rather hear someone laugh during a discussion we're having as opposed to having to read "LOL" or "ROFL". Call me old school, but I still prefer my personal branding and networking to be conducted on the golf course, at a dinner party or ballpark. Its leisure, its enjoyable, and its personal.
Now I must be off. I'm involved with a personal project to brand myself online as a ruling monarch. Wish me luck!
Posted by Steve on April 8, 2009 at 10:10 am | permalink |
I totally agree with the "fewer responsibilities" factor. Millennials' demands for a customized and simplified lifestyle have re-written the rules for effective marketing techniques. I posted similar entries on my blog, marketingshift.com , this week.
Posted by Matt O'Hern on April 8, 2009 at 10:15 am | permalink |
Learning how to use spell check would go a long way towards giving these "tech-savvy" wannabe gurus a hint of credibility.
Posted by Steve C. on April 8, 2009 at 11:27 am | permalink |
I love it when Penelope posts her Twentysomethings posts…they're HILARIOUS, and always good for a laugh. The comments are even better; the indignant Gen Yers defending themselves from the howls of mirth from their more experienced colleagues and insisting that they're just the next step in evolution and no one understands how wonderful they are.
All I can say to a few of my twentysomething colleagues and colleagues-to-be on here is that someday, it's incredibly likely that life circumstances will force you to take a job that IS a "pencil-pushing" position that does not "value you as a person" and fails to acknowledge your status as the Specialest Snowflake Of All.
At that point, you'll have responsibilities and committments, car payments, rent, or even *gasp* CHILDREN. And it's going to be a terrible, terrible shock to you when suddenly, what YOU want and YOUR demands and expectations aren't the most important reasons to make employment decisions anymore.
Good luck, and feel free to blame your parents for most of the inevitable pain. They should've (figuratively) smacked this petulant narcisissm out of you YEARS ago, forced you to get a job, or at the very least given you a realistic deadline for moving out of their house.
As an employer, I find very little value in "brand," unless it's backed up by substance; as such, I've already turned down more than one twentysomething who's marched into a job interview and started making demands and boasting about their wonderfulness. They branded themselves, all right…as people I would not under any circumstances want to work with.
I've also hired more than one Gen Yer who totally broke down this stereotype, and who are incredibly hard-working, bright, responsible and talented. Not one of them tried to send me to their Facebook so I could "'get' their brand." Bad branding, in other words, is far far worse than no branding at all.
Posted by Kate on April 8, 2009 at 12:01 pm | permalink |
If you want to see the power of social networking tools in action you need look no farther than the front page of the New York Times.
"Protests in Moldova Explode with a Call to Arms on Twitter"
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/08/world/europe/08moldova.html?scp=2&sq=Moldova&st=cse
The article alleges that 6 people were able to mobilize a crowd of 15,000 in a matter of hours to do something that while somewhat scary may bring about real political change. Comparing this to similar episodes in the history books makes those events look glacial in evolution by comparison.
I am 25 and was initially skeptical about the usefulness of social networking, but now see that it has become an amazing tool to do things outside of the internet world. I want to start a blog about social entrepenuership and start building my personal brand. I think that the post above does a good job of pointing out an important fact that personal branding is all about selectively marketing yourself, learning how to emphasize strengths and seek help to improve weaknesses. I think Gen Y may be better at social networking than any before precisely becuase we are conditioned to constantly making these choices. We are constantly considering what information to mke public about ourselves and the best way to find instant answers to things we don't know.
To that end, Does anyone know where I can get good advice on the technical side of starting a blog? I have seen a lot on this web site about why to start a blog and how to conceptualize it, but I have not yet seen much about the technical how.
I really appreciate the daily dose of inspiration this community gives.
Thanks,
Posted by J. Atkinson. on April 8, 2009 at 12:04 pm | permalink |
One thing I find interesting is the notion that every GenYer is tech savvy. They know they technology they use, and some don't even know it that well. From others, I have learned some cool stuff. I know plenty of GenYers who don't know how to use Outlook that well, schedule meetings, use Word, Excel, solve small PC issues, etc. Some use Twitter, some don't. Some don't use Facebook, some don't text that much. Which, of course, makes them just like every other generation – you know what you have learned to know, probably for a job or hobby. Please don't make the assumption if you hire someone from this generation that they are going to know everything about every technology tool they use – they don't – and that's okay. I have usually had to learn something about a system, tool, whatever, at every job I have had. Again, this is what happens when you deal with arbitrary categories like generations.
Posted by Maria on April 8, 2009 at 12:30 pm | permalink |
"Emily Yoffe's article contributes our suffering economy to the narcissism of America."
Oh please!
A confession here: I read these kiddie-blogs(occasionally) to amuse myself with the functional illiteracy of the bloggers and their followers in the comments sections.
Their time would be better spent reading some real literature rather than chattering away on the new media sites. Reading professionally edited literary works is an enjoyable and effective way to get a free education, especially in the use of the English language. If that's too time consuming for you, you could try keeping an old boomer tool handy: a dictionary.
Posted by Steve C. on April 8, 2009 at 1:56 pm | permalink |
It's true that gen y is more adept at social media. I see that everyday. I'm surprised at how many older people, however, who actually *apply themselves* ultimately become equally effective.
Posted by Christian on April 8, 2009 at 3:13 pm | permalink |
I can't resist one last comment… what is all the networking gaining you? If you're lucky, there's a shred of information or a legitimate job connection mixed in with all the social exchanges. But if you can't do anything with that information or connection, it's useless. I think, specifically, of a comment one of our interview subjects had to say about the perpetually networked: "They are ideal cocktail party guests, knowing a little about a lot". Unless you can transcend the superficial knowledge and actually synthesize it into intellectual gold, it's still just dross and a bunch of fluff in your head.
Posted by Ginger Rose on April 8, 2009 at 4:29 pm | permalink |
@ Ginger – 'all the networking' landed me a job that I'm very happy with right now, I've met some amazing people which has translated into 'real life' friendships. So I guess I'm one of the lucky ones.
To each his own Ginger, it isn't for everyone.
Posted by Matt Cheuvront on April 8, 2009 at 4:34 pm | permalink |
I think it is because people on average are waiting longer to start families and have kids. A lot of people are leaving marriage off until they are well into their 30s. Very different from the baby boomers.
Posted by I Need Money on April 8, 2009 at 5:04 pm | permalink |
It'd be great to read a post from a Gen Y who's actually done something real and tangible, other than self promotion. Hugh Evans is a great example. He's an Aussie who started "doing stuff" in High School, started a successful organisation, wrote a few books, advised Government, speaks around the world. He's probably used some personal marketing to raise his profile, but on the back of some impressive work. He is 25. Sign me up for that post.
Posted by Sally on April 8, 2009 at 5:07 pm | permalink |
Matt Cheuvront, where do you work? I take it you have the day off today?
You've posted at least 5-6 comments on this topic alone, throughout all times of the day. If you're at work and have time to be so involved in PT, you're either not doing your job or you need to find a more productive position.
If you're at work and I'm your boss, I'm thinking of firing you.
Posted by rennie on April 8, 2009 at 9:15 pm | permalink |
I'm not in the office this week – but thanks for your vote of confidence 'rennie'.
Posted by Matt Cheuvront on April 8, 2009 at 9:29 pm | permalink |
Uh…no…while I agree with the premise that Gen Y is a lot better at self-promotion than us crusty old X'ers, I disagree with the idea that this adds value in the economy we're living in today. Frankly, if I saw a little less marketing and a little more doing, listening, and owning (as in "your program, your problem") from the Gen Y crowd I'd rate your career prospects a bit higher.
Frankly, having managed and coached a number of Gen Y's, most of whom are smarter than me (and had better academic records, not that mine is shabby), I'm of the opinion that you guys (as a group) are incapable of working your ass off to execute someone else's idea and program. I'm talking about hard, highly unglamorous, detail-intensive work. You guys do great work when it's your way…but slack off when I want you to do it my way.
Here's a little career tip – at the end of the day, most managers value discipline, consistency, and loyalty over potential and initiative. This isn't personal – the hard reality is I can build and run a large team of people if THEY ARE HIGHLY DEPENDABLE AND DO THEIR JOBS (disciplined, loyal, and consistent performers). My effective span of control is limited by the degree to which I can rely on people to do their jobs without my supervision. And when the team is down to only a couple of swings at bat (which is a good summary of this economy), the firm's survival odds are maximized by having a core of people who can consistently crank out solid (but not brilliant) results rather than a high maintenance "swing for the fences" type who wants to do it their way.
By the way – I'm not putting down innovation, creativity, and marketing…in fact they have been key elements of my personal success. However – without a solid foundation of execution skills, you will not have the respect to move past the early stages of the talent show.
Posted by sixtypoundhound on April 9, 2009 at 2:34 am | permalink |
This is definitely accurate! I'm 24 and am very conscious that much of my online activity is self-branding.
I've transfered my social media savvy to my job, so that my non-profit now has a Twitter account and a Facebook page. These tools are essentially free advertising that is relationally-based, which is much more powerful in forging a connection with interested parties.
I've also harnessed the power of social media to raise awareness and funds for other causes I'm interested in. I created a Facebook cause called "Save MOCA" that has raised $500 and has almost 4,000 supporters. I know maybe 10 of the people who joined, and yet this group has grown geometrically in a few weeks.
I've even monetized my blog so that, should my blog grow in popularity, I could potentially make a substantial side-income from the advertising dollars.
It's worth noting, too, that Gen Y is a fairly indulged generation and we are self-centered. (This may due to the stage of live we are in, as well). However, despite this, or maybe because of it, we are also very active on behalf of causes we believe in, and I think since they are important to us, we believe they must be important to others, as well. We constantly feel the need to express ourselves and to define ourselves. The problem therein is that sometimes this can lead to over-sharing, and pre-maturely acquired intimate knowledge about someone we don't really know.
Posted by Nicole Garton on April 9, 2009 at 4:04 am | permalink |
I had the pleasure of interviewing Dan for Total Picture Radio and I found him to be smart, hard working, and passionate about his idea of personal branding. Dan does have a day job (EMC). When he was writing his book, trying to find a publisher, 69 agents turned him down, laughed at him, and told him to "come back and see me when you're famous." Well, guess what? He's famous.
Dan's success, like so many of the people I've interviewed from every generation, has to do with the fact that the Dan's of the world believe in themselves, their ideas, and absolutely refuse to give up.
Posted by Peter Clayton on April 9, 2009 at 12:23 pm | permalink |
a bunch of useless fluff and another post about someone's book. C'mon, get back to the good stuff.
Posted by prklypr on April 9, 2009 at 1:32 pm | permalink |
I know this is terribly unfair…but I am so so so so so sick of Gen Y. Sick. There is no substance behind the hype. And they may be slick at self promo, but their 2-WAY communication sucks. It's about what you can do for them and if you don't step into line, they sulk. I've seen it so many times. They get flustered and confused when they hear no. And they are adept at working social media, but basic, basic conversation? Not so much. I think I am just so over the generational analysis and ranking. Whenever I see the title Twentysomething, I sigh, swear, roll my eyes and move on.
Posted by Hutchie on April 9, 2009 at 1:34 pm | permalink |
Mmmmm, I don't know. I checked out this guy's website to see what he was about, and I found some things to be… bizarre. I really hate to be critical, but for someone who puts himself forth at a personal branding expert, I feel like he needs some image coaching himself. His video resume is super awkward and halting, and it's obvious he's reading off cards or something (there's a part where he actually looks down to see what to say next. is that really his best take? if so, maybe forego the video resume). I can't imagine listening to him give an actual speech. Also, his press photos also look awkward and unnatural, like a 15 year old dressing up in his dad's suit.
I feel like taking advice from him on personal branding would be like hiring an image consultant whose friends think she needs to go on What Not to Wear. Public speaking and knowing how to put forth the right image to succeed are both hard skills to acquire and I'd be much more forgiving of someone who wasn't putting himself forth as a personal branding expert.
Posted by Sara on April 9, 2009 at 3:57 pm | permalink |
Whatever. Talk to us again in 20 years.
Posted by marianne on April 9, 2009 at 11:25 pm | permalink |
Dan, you raised some excellent points. Really appreciated!!
Posted by Dubai Jobs on April 10, 2009 at 8:51 am | permalink |
Most 20 somethings are into slick, smooth, fast, furious and have the constant "look at me" attitudes. But lack experience,that only being on this planet affords you.
How about problem solving, conflict resolution, creative blocks, compassion for others (not just YOU) and personality discernment while in conflict? No amount of marketing/technology can afford you a better branding resume than working with lots of people face to face, without being half attentive because your device is calling. Humble yourself…..you become better at it with time too.
Posted by Bette on April 10, 2009 at 3:00 pm | permalink |
I don't think you could pay me enough to write for this audience. It amazes me how this blog brings out so many nasty comments. No, you don't have to agree with someone or his opinions, but is it necessary to be so personally vindictive?
I think that all of these mean remarks are from people who are jealous that a 25-year old has managed to make a name for himself – and publish a book. Just remember – what goes around comes around. Someday, someone will be there to trash you. Hope you can take it as well as you dish it out.
Posted by Marci on April 10, 2009 at 4:42 pm | permalink |
Truth is a bitter pill to swallow. People commenting here are being truthful with what they are saying… finally. None of this glossy "I'll say you're a genius on your blog and you say it on mine" crap…
Generation Y is like a train wreck. It's so fun to watch unravel.
Posted by Truth Hurts on April 11, 2009 at 4:42 am | permalink |
A welcome response to all those whinging MSM stories about the trouble with Gen Y in the workplace.
Posted by Xavier Truman on April 11, 2009 at 6:32 am | permalink |
I think you're spot on! Technology has allowed everyone, but especially Gen Yers, to become microcelebrities.
I can't speak about an entire generation, but I can say Dan Schawbel is better at marketing himself than almost anyone else from 8-80.
Posted by Shawn on April 11, 2009 at 6:15 pm | permalink |
One of the best quotes I've ever seen is very applicable to Gen Y'ers and to a lesser extent other generations:
Never mistake activity for achievement.
By John Wooden, famous UCLA B-ball coach. Ultimately, business will value an individual's achievements and results. The Y'ers assume that texting and twittering and Facebooking and networking are results. No, their activity – they are impediments to results in the work place.
Posted by Mickey Van Roo on April 13, 2009 at 5:03 pm | permalink |
"Standing out among the millions of job seekers is quite hard in this economy and the competition to succeed in any industry isn’t declining anytime soon."
Sorry…but it's not hard at all… all they have to do is learn to read and write.
In the last 2-3 years I've received perhaps three dozen resumes and I'd give every one, except for 2-3, a C, D, or F grade. (And no question my worst subject is English so there's no issue about me being unfair.)
And!..on occasion when I marked up a resume and sent it back the reply was a variant of "Well I'm not applying for a writing position so it you don't like what I write don't hire me."
Posted by Randy Zeitman on April 15, 2009 at 2:26 pm | permalink |
I agree with this post to a certain extent- yes Gen Y'ers are getting out there and gaining popularity among their networks, but what about all the people who don't yet subscribe to that kind of networking as legitimate? I just spent a year working for someone who looked at his computer as a fancy word processor. Yes, he is behind when it comes to being tech savvy, but he is a successful baby boomer who still values face to face interaction and a strong handshake. If Gen Y'ers don't learn these valuable skills, I'm afraid they will lose out on a lot of opportunities they won't find on Facebook and Twitter. I'm 28, right on the cusp of X/Y and I'm trying to mingle the "old-fashioned" with the "hip" marketing to remain relevant across the generations, and that's a full time job in itself! The book would be more effective if it outlined how these skills could be applied cross-generationally (yes, that's a new word…)
Posted by Angela on April 15, 2009 at 7:44 pm | permalink |
Individualism is a privilege, not a right. You earn it by not being it. By supporting someone else's brand, not promoting your own. By providing exchange value first, then focusing on your own utility.
Yes, you're right, loyalty is one-way – upward. It's still the price of admission.
Posted by Paul on April 18, 2009 at 1:33 pm | permalink |
Gen X built all the stuff Gen Y plays with to keep them from being too productive.
Had to keep the competition down somehow.
Posted by Kevin on April 18, 2009 at 3:10 pm | permalink |
"We understand how to build personal connections to build a brand. Gen Y’ers are the masters of social media…"
I suppose in a sense that's true. But what Gen Y doesn't understand is that sheer numbers of connections aren't the same as quality connections. Gen Y needs to learn that having hundreds (thousands) of "friends" isn't the same as having (or being) a real friend. A relationship is always about authenticity and truth, and the ability to form real connections, not just having followers on twitter or "friends" on facebook.
I work and go to school with many Gen Y people. In my experience, for all of their internet knowhow, none of them seems to be able to connect on a deep level. If you want a great personal brand, stop trying to manufacture one with miscellaneous tweets and become a person that other people know, like, and trust.
Posted by Diagoras on April 21, 2009 at 3:22 pm | permalink |
Diagoras is right. Especially about the word "become." You, Mr. or Ms. Gen-Y, are going to have to go out of your way to reach out and be positive to people who may not reciprocate. To people you may not even like or respect all that much.
And you're going to have to do it all the time, until it becomes second nature. Once you feel yourself getting sick half to death of it and asking, "What about me? When is there some me-time?" – you'll know you're on the right track.
This is a major lesson not just Y's, but a lot of us X's, still have to learn. Life is not just hard: if you do it right, it is at times absolutely f*!!ing impossible. If you don't feel like giving up sometimes, you just aren't trying hard enough.
The reward is all on the come. Once you are connected with others, you will be part of something that can see you through a lot and bring you a lot of joy. But until you put everything you have into it, you will get nothing out of it.
That is what perseverance is: you keep on keeping on because you believe, abstractly, with no need or thought of reinforcement to keep you going. And that's why Xs and Ys don't persevere well.
Posted by Paul on April 22, 2009 at 12:51 pm | permalink |
Typical American shite .. since when is a person a "brand" [1]. It's bad enough that the marketdroids have convinced individual members of the public to look upon themselves as a "consumer". What? I'm a PERSON! Maybe I'll buy some piece of crap from some stupid company ..or maybe I won't. What the hell is happening to the world! This mentality is going too far. I've been writing complicated software for 15 years so maybe I'm missing something. People, please step away from the Interwebs.
- John
[1] From the built-in dictionary in OS X:
"brand |brand|
noun
1 a type of product manufactured by a particular company under a particular name : a new brand of detergent.
• a brand name : the company will market computer software under its own brand.
• a particular type or kind of something : the Finnish brand of democratic socialism.
2 an identifying mark burned on livestock or (esp. formerly) criminals or slaves with a branding iron.
• archaic a branding iron.
• figurative a habit, trait, or quality that causes someone public shame or disgrace : the brand of Paula's alcoholism.
3 a piece of burning or smoldering wood : he took two burning brands from the fire.
• poetic/literary a torch.
4 poetic/literary a sword."
Posted by John on May 11, 2009 at 2:39 am | permalink |
Differences…. It is truly amazing how often we, as humans, tend to focus on what makes us different from people around us… He is young… His ideas are bizarre. Just 25- what would he know? Tech savvy- does that really come with being born in a specific time period, even if technology is more readily available? "Generation Y" a completely different breed. But are they really?
In my opinion although the surface details seem dissimilar, the soul of each generation remains the same. When parents look at their children and can't help but focus on the outlandish differences, I feel that if they looked a little harder, they would see more similarities of their own past. Although environment does play a crucial role in the upbringing of each generation, equally does genetics. At the end of the day the "differences" may often be the hidden or forgotten traits of the past generations.
In generations pasts & generations to come, there we be each category of "people". Their will be that are tech savvy, and ones that will never truly understand outlook. As well as the groups that praise peace & happiness, or ones that rebel to seek their own freedom. 8-Tracks, cassettes, down to the first telegrams or even more historical- starting the first fire. Technology is defined by its essence of being-beyond who is creating or learning it. We may not exactly remember who invented what, but we do have a pretty good idea of what came first. Each generation's technology is build on those past.
As per the communication skills: Generation Y can make meaningful contacts, just the same as those in past generations. Some people may have better social skills, skills that may make them more profitable, but there will also be those in every age group that lack the very same communication devices.
I just feel, that for the overall well being of all generations, we should not be pinpointing our differences, but rather embracing our similarities. In the end that is how good contacts are made. That is how we place a guiding hand on our futures.
Posted by Kelly Cahill on May 11, 2009 at 10:57 pm | permalink |
Gen-Y's are a baby boom generation. Power by numbers.
Posted by Tyler on May 16, 2009 at 5:28 pm | permalink |
This post may be late in response – somehow via a LinkedIn group I found my way to this post – but the comments were very interesting; a fascinating insight into the cultural shift that technology has created. Social Media Marketing and “Branding” by the Gen Y’ers has usurped “diets” as the landmark craze of the decade. You can find any number of books, blogs, websites, experts, and gurus, ready to guide you through the covert workings of monetizing your presence online. And just like the next big “Sure-Fire Diet”, the patina quickly wears off once the user discovers how much work is actually involved and how much time it takes to realize a return on investment. In other words, telling someone [or blogging about] how to accomplish something, is infinitely less time consuming that actually doing it.
The worst of the World Wide Web is a conversation that involves reducing humans to a demographic and squeezing out the largest common denominator. Intense commercial marketing is conducted toward this juicy demographic by the hippest hucksters on the planet. As television ushered in the age of excess and we all believed we had to have two cars in the two-car garage, so to, do we appear to need everything that is flashed on the Web.
The computer age is laying waste to the meek and the mighty, equally. As technology engulfs jobs, people, economies, and transforms our very understanding of existence, it completes the cycle by rendering old systems of knowledge obsolete. It is in this transformation that we are both blinded and lead.
“Print technology created the public. Electric technology created the mass. The public consists of separate individuals walking around with separate, fixed, points of view. The new technology demands that we abandon the luxury of this posture, this fragmentary outlook.” Marshall McLuhan wrote this in The Medium is the Massage in 1967 – long before computers consumed our every waking moment. His prophetic observations predicted the "invisible environment" and I give you the World Wide Web. The clarion call for symbiosis is echoed throughout other socio-historians work. In 1988, At the Edge of History author William Irwin Thompson – an equally prophetic mind – predicted that a “wave” was on the horizon for the nineties, and to him it looked like a Tsunami. He summarily referred to an "emerging global economy" being connected via a network of computers. It is precisely this connection that banishes borders and demands a new vision of life necessary for our evolution to continue. But are we really able to realize this vision of connection?
To be clear, I’m in no way against technological progress – only the misuse of technology. Civilization has flourished based on Man acquiring technology and learning how to manipulate his environment, thus ensuring his survival. Once Stone Age Man switched from food-collection to food-production, the technologies he created would beget trading routes, towns, and the need for centralized hierarchies to control production and consumption. Not far off would appear Kings and paupers, the Pharaohs and the pyramid builders, and the middle class and Bernie Madoff.
What will be the outcome? The disenfranchised will perish, as always, and Darwinian evolution will kick in until successive generations – surviving by living off the fruits of a new world order – stumble upon the next big technological advancement. I predict it will be time-travel, but we won’t be here to verify that. Just take if from me, time-travel is a shoe in.
Cheers,
Deborah Johnstone [Baby Boomer Extraordinaire]
Posted by Deborah Johnstone on July 24, 2009 at 11:18 am | permalink |
Deborah Johnstone, "social darwinism" is NOT "darwinian evolution" and they are not the same thing. What you are talking about is "social darwinism" sprinkled with a little "environmental determinism".
Posted by boohoo on July 27, 2009 at 9:37 am | permalink |
Here's how I came to this blog post: I searched Google for the term "sick of gen y" (with the quotes). It was the very first listing.
Posted by Tron on October 27, 2010 at 7:19 pm | permalink |
Really great to see the power of social media
Posted by social network on August 1, 2011 at 12:03 pm | permalink |