I have hated Tim Ferriss for a long time. I have hated him since we both had editors at Crown Publishing who sat next to each other and I heard how difficult he is.
I didn't blog about it because first of all, I'm sure the buzz about me is that I'm difficult, too. And also, his book, The 4-Hour Workweek, was a bestseller and mine wasn't. So I figured people would say that I'm jealous. And really, what author is not jealous sometimes? I mean, every author wants to write a bestseller.
But at this point, two years later, my hatred goes way beyond jealousy. My hatred is more selfless than that. And while I do understand that Tim is great at accelerated learning, the time management tips I have learned from him stem from the energy I have spent hating him:
1. Don’t hang out with people who don’t respect your time
This all started at SXSW conference in 2007, right before Tim's book came out, when he was promoting the hell out of it to bloggers. Of course, this was not a bad idea, and to be fair, Tim was brilliant to start this book marketing trend. But that is beside the point. He approached me after my panel and said, "Can I get you coffee? I'd love to talk with you."
I said, "Uh. No. I have plans."
And he asked who with.
I wasn't really sure. I knew there were cool people to hang out with after my panel, though, and I knew he wasn't one of them. I gave a vague answer.
He said he was also meeting three people, and he name-dropped them. I can't remember who they were. But they were fun, interesting, and I wanted to have coffee with them. So I said okay.
Then Tim couldn't find them and I had coffee with only Tim.
Then I realized this was his strategy all along.
I told myself not to be pissy. I told myself bait-and-switch is the oldest sales tool in the world, and it's my fault for falling for it.
I even wrote a blog post that included his book.
2. Cut to the chase: Tell people who are full of sh*t that they're full of sh*t
When his book came out, there were vacuous, annoying comments all over my blog directing people to his book. Like, "The topic of priorities is an interesting one. I like how Tim Ferris handles that in his new book,blah blah" and then there's a link to the book.
At this point I knew Tim, sort of. And I called him on his phone and told him to tell his employees to stop spamming my blog.
First he implied it was his fan base and he had little control.
I said that I thought he was full of sh*t.
He said he'd make sure there were no more comments like that on my blog.
3. Self-centered people are more likely to waste your time
Really, when I found he was spamming my site, I didn't call him first. First, I emailed him. And I got some sort of crazy response about how he is only checking email twice a day and then instructions on what to do.
I emailed him back to tell him that I do not want automatic emails from him every time I try to contact him.
Which generated another, identical response about how he doesn't check mail.
So I called him to tell him that he is generating spam back to me to tell me about his email checking and I don't care. If he wants to check twice a day, fine, but don't clog my in box with emails about it.
He said he'd take me off his list.
I am STILL getting this sort of spam from him. But the scope has widened. For example, now, he has commented on my blog and he forgot to say that he doesn't want to be alerted to new comments. So every time there's a comment, he spams everyone in the comments string, telling them that he doesn't answer his email.
It's insane. I cannot believe how many automated announcements I receive saying that Tim does not have a Blackberry. (Yes, the email really says that.) What if we all sent automated emails like that? Email would be totally nonfunctional. What if Tim just shut up about his email and if he thinks its fine to answer twice a day, then he should do that? And not spam everyone about it.
4. Productivity is about meeting your goals, not getting out of doing work
The week that Tim actually works a four-hour work week will be a cold week in hell. Tim got to where he is by being an insanely hard worker. I don't know anyone who worked harder at promoting a book than he did. But the thing is, he didn't call it work. Somehow, sliming me into having coffee with him to talk about his book is not work.
Fine. But then his four-hour work week is merely semantic. Because everything Tim does he turns into what the rest of us would call work, and he calls it not-work. For example, tango. If you want to be world-record holder, it's work. It's your job to be special at dancing the tango. That's your big goal that you're working toward. How you earn money is probably just a day job. So most weeks Tim probably has a 100-hour workweek. It's just that he's doing things he likes, so he lies to you and says he only works four hours. He defines work only as doing what you don't like.
It's childish. It's a childish, semantic game. And it reminds me of him winning the Chinese National Kickboxing Championships by leveraging a little-known rule that people are disqualified if they stop outside the box. So he pushed each of his opponents outside the box to win.
He is winning the I-work-less-than-you game with a similarly questionable method: semantics.
5. Time management is about making time to connect with people
The idea of time management only matters in relation to how important the stuff is that's competing for your time. The stuff that makes time management the most difficult is relationships. Which Tim does not excel in.
Fine. Not everyone has to be good at making real connections.
But Tim runs around telling people who have lots of relationships competing for their time how to think about work/not work, forgetting that in the real world, where people are not assholes, time management is not an equation or a semantic game because relationships really matter. And figuring out how to judge time in terms of competing values is the hardest thing of all.
Tim is all about time management for achievement and winning. But there are not trophies or measurements for relationships. There is only that feeling that someone is kind. And good. And truly connected.
And Tim is not.





Awesome.
Posted by david on January 8, 2009 at 11:06 am | permalink |
I have to agree with David on this, they were some awesome tips. I have always struggled with managing my time and over the years I have read a lot of time management lists and articles online, but this one trumps them all! I love how you lay down the law, you just picked up another reader.
Posted by Jobeth Quigley on April 20, 2009 at 6:24 pm | permalink |
I am going to have to agree to agree with both com mentors. Was a good way to spend the last 15 minutes, I wish I could think up a good pun for all this
Posted by Sam on June 22, 2009 at 3:46 am | permalink |
Here's a quick a fast rule on who to listen to:
I come to this blog and read tons of negativity supporting more negativity.
I go to Tim's blog and there is endless positivity supporting more positivity.
Tim strikes me as a likable guy.
Posted by Yizta on October 10, 2011 at 8:25 pm | permalink |
Yes, good tips, and you capture my feelings well. Tim Ferriss makes me tired. While he occasionally will point to something interesting, and he initially grabbed my attention, in the end he is all sizzle and no steak.
While surfing the web over the past few years, I've left half a dozen mildly-critical, non-fanboy comments at his site. Not one comment was published. No notice, just disappeared without a trace. Try it.
This is true. And it demonstrates what is blatantly obvious: that Ferriss' highest value is tightly controlling his brand, and he orients all his activities to the promotion of one thing: Tim Ferriss.
How cleverly manipulative and ultimately boring this triumph of empty marketing Ferriss is.
Posted by Adrian on December 30, 2010 at 3:10 am | permalink |
Can't stand Tim Ferriss either, some great tips.
Posted by Conservation Jobs on April 9, 2011 at 6:09 am | permalink |
You know, these are all good points, and as I understand it, they're all covered in Tim's next book, which you will soon be able to pre-order on Amazon.
Posted by NotTim on July 22, 2011 at 11:42 am | permalink |
First, do you think Tim will take credit for the time management skills you developed through your dislike of him? Second, I might beg to differ about not having measures for relationships…having relationships (unless you're using the term loosely) is the measure. Sure you can fake it, but in the end if you don't make meaningful connections with people, you won't have any relationships.
Posted by Shawn on January 8, 2009 at 11:20 am | permalink |
LOL, btw gread post dud :)
Posted by Images Hosting on April 5, 2011 at 7:49 am | permalink |
Measure for relationships: Facebook.
Just kidding.
Great post!
Posted by K.Rae on January 8, 2009 at 11:24 am | permalink |
FINALLY! Someone who just comes out and says it! I facilitate a roundtable of CEOs and as soon as they read the part about the kickboxing – they said "trash it"..that's no way to do business for the long term.
Had a lawyer tell me that it was "ingenious" on how to work around the rules….go figure!
Thank you for your comment. And, I truly LOVE Penelope's post…finally, someone has said it out loud and said it very well!
Posted by Maria Elena Duron on January 8, 2009 at 6:16 pm | permalink |
I read Tim's book and I could net get it out of my home fast enough. He lost me where he was describing how he
cheatedused a loophole in the rules to win at kickboxing.Posted by Doug Ransom on January 8, 2009 at 11:27 am | permalink |
Actually, this just shows he had a better understanding of the competition than did his opponents. If his opponents were so great, then they should be able to stop some amateur from pushing them around. Not being able to do so only speaks to their lack of skill. A champion fighter would not make excuses, but would instead figure out a way to beat Tim's pushing tactic.
Remember when Indiana Jones shot the guy with the swords? Same deal – Indy was just plain smarter.
Posted by Scott on May 9, 2009 at 8:54 pm | permalink |
Hi,
I understand there is another opinion to Tim's work.
I really think it is a worthwhile read, my suggestion is to read it and make up your own opinion, seperate the wheat from the chaff and find whats good for you.. there is some good stuff in there and I found it opened my eyes to other posibilities that Id never even considered.
I felt 'freer' after reading the book and saw life from a different perspective
Posted by Regi Keys on May 18, 2010 at 7:44 am | permalink |
Tim's opponents in this case happened to be Chinese men that he outweighed by at least 20 pounds, due to his hacking the weight-class system using well-known high-school dehydration techniques.
Even professional fighters, when faced with a guy who is clearly above their weight class by one or two divisions, who shouldn't even be in the ring with them, are not going to be able to come up with a "strategy" to avoid getting pushed out of the ring. Oh, maybe they should have just pulled guns and shot him. (And I speak as someone who has fought in Muai Thai matches.)
Indiana Jones was fictional, btw.
Posted by Andrew R Long on February 7, 2011 at 9:55 pm | permalink |
He wasn't the first nor last to use those Ring Out techniques. He doesn't really seem to claim that he invented/created them, just that he saw the tide turning to using Ring Out.
This has gone on for years now. If they had an issue with the technique, they would have banned it. The simple fact is that most fighters cannot throw someone out of the ring, which is why it was effective.
Posted by Griffin Boyce on May 29, 2010 at 7:31 pm | permalink |
I agree. You can never take anyone and emulate their entire life or model to a 'T.' That's fool-hearty. You have to look at everyone you read, everyone you interact with, every person that inspires you and take what resonates with you and leave the rest behind. I don't have to like a particular author or person to respect their progress and want to emulate areas I want to grow in where they have found success. That's just smart. For time to call his avocations "fun" instead of "work" is just him removing mental hurdles. Every human being wants to escape pain and find pleasure. Tim has just programmed his mind to respond to things that are work with a student's attitude, which is pleasurable for him. Even Anthony Robbins talks about that concept.
Posted by Chris J on August 23, 2010 at 10:44 am | permalink |
There is no honor in capitalizing pushiness. There is honor in talent and hard work.
Posted by T on February 17, 2011 at 4:07 pm | permalink |
"There is no honor in capitalizing pushiness. There is honor in talent and hard work."
I used to think that. I slaved away for my company for 9 years, sacrificing my personal life because they couldn't meet deadlines or plan ahead, and in exchange, I got no real reward.
At the end of it all, I'd rather have good wages and benefits than honor. I should've been pushy and I should've screwed people over, like the beta males posing as alphas who are "running" the company now. Maybe then, I could afford to retire someday. You can't cash honor.
Posted by NotTim on July 22, 2011 at 11:51 am | permalink |
It's not cheating if it's a rule! It's outsmarting the competition.
Posted by lily on March 7, 2011 at 8:40 pm | permalink |
It was not the competition that was outsmarted, it was the game itself. Having "outsmarted" the game in this way, the very possibility of winning was already lost.
Posted by tyandor on May 21, 2011 at 9:52 am | permalink |
They changed the rules after Tim did his rule exploitation thing. Yep, basically whatever Tim does is ultimately not sustainable, aka fraudulent. I don't want to live in a world of Tims, no one does.
Posted by Jeff McNeill on June 9, 2011 at 12:31 pm | permalink |
Good for you. I need to stick up for myself more often and I'm even more inspired now. I was thinking about reading his book but now I'm having second thoughts. It sounded too good to be true anyway.
Posted by Bea on January 8, 2009 at 11:32 am | permalink |
To not read the book because of someone else's smearing is to do yourself a disservice. Like it or not, at least give it a chance to stand on it's own two legs.
Personally, that book energized me in a way no book has before. I admire Tim's approach to a lot of different things (some stuff I don't agree with, he has a sort of amoral penchant at times). I found his theory on simplification of one's life ideal and completely do-able.
I don't think he's tried to pass himself off as a GREAT guy, (he lambasted himself over outsourcing his dating life) but this article doesn't do him justice.
To be honest lady, Tim Ferriss is the ONLY REASON I FOUND YOU.
Hater.
Posted by Ranier on March 6, 2010 at 3:08 am | permalink |
"To be honest lady, Tim Ferriss is the ONLY REASON I FOUND YOU."
haha. TOLD!
Posted by Sasha on June 3, 2010 at 3:17 pm | permalink |
To be honest lady, Tim Ferriss is the ONLY REASON I FOUND YOU.
Ditto.
Lots of things are good in moderation. Most things are less beneficial in excess. Applying Tim's principles in moderation where they are most effective in your life can really make a huge difference. You don't have to go whole-hog like he does. Besides, he's pretty up-front that the idea is not to stop doing stuff, just to shift focus to doing things you like. Indeed, painting doesn't seem like work to me, even though I can sell my art – because I love doing it. I love finding ways to streamline life to allow me to do more biking, painting, singing and cooking, and Tim opened my eyes to some new possibilities.
To not read his book because this blogger doesn't like the author is to do yourself a disservice. I recommend the audio version if you spend time in the car.
Posted by C on June 10, 2010 at 6:02 am | permalink |
Same here :-)
Posted by gé on January 21, 2011 at 12:22 am | permalink |
What Tim does is sell books, and he does it very well. But he also sells hope in a different future which we can control a whole lot more than we already do. His methods are different than just about anyone else's and his ethics surrounding those methods may be different than yours, but does that mean that what he teaches is worthless? Even if he was a "do as I say, not as I do" type of person, does that mean we shouldn't listen and tease out what works for us? If he was telling people to leave their spouses or abandon their children, I could understand the furor.
Even though I don't live my life or agree with some of the choices Penelope makes or has made, does that mean I don't have something to learn by reading her work? She puts her own ideals into practice as best she can and shares it with all of us. While we would hope that someone who writes work that helps people does so selflessly and has other very positive attributes, why can't we just take the work at face value and let the guy be who he is. If he's slimy, fine. Do things differently than he does. We have to walk our own path, after all.
Posted by MindBodyCoach on December 27, 2010 at 2:06 pm | permalink |
I'm highly suspicious of all highly successful people. There is one good way to get there and a million awful, cheap, dirty, lazy, and evil ways of doing it. It actually surprising to see how many go the good route. (I'm not saying Tim did, because it doesn't sound like he did.)
About relationships: They are uber-taxing on time and energy… but mostly energy… which equates to time. Some people are really good at influencing people without really having a relationship with them (i.e. Hitler). No one will argue that such individuals' influence is not far-reaching; the question is whether it's worthy.
The other disturbing thing is that some people are so happy even when they're being so bad. It gives being good a bad flavor. I really hate people like that.
Posted by Ryan on January 8, 2009 at 11:32 am | permalink |
Hitler had an entire country licking their wounds from WWI desparately seeking someone, anyone to bring them back to glory. He played the weakness Germans felt and promised a better life. His relationship was with their wishes.
Posted by Robert MacEwan on August 31, 2009 at 5:42 pm | permalink |
It's an attitude like this that kept me in low paying hard labor jobs for far too many years. Int his case, my parents were dead wrong.
Hard work does not necessarily equal success.
Smart work does. And not paying attention to the naysayers.
It has taken me all 50 years of my life so far to finally realize that all the people who would tell me things like – you can't do that, or that's not the way things are done – were full of crap and interested in only one thing; keeping me down to make their lack of satisfaction with their own life more bearable.
If Tim's a scammer, shame on him. But his ideas are sound.
Posted by Stephen J. Ardent on November 8, 2009 at 12:37 pm | permalink |
I loved this article on time management and people wasting your time and what to watch out for.
I meet time wasters all of the time. It must be part of the human condition I reckon.
They are a pain, but my human-time-wasting detector is getting better with age.
Posted by psychicjim on August 24, 2010 at 7:27 pm | permalink |
I don't know Tim or read his blog. However I am looking forward to seeing a comment from him on this post – if he decides to do so. Qualities that you possess Penelope that I love and shine through in your writing are transparency and the ability to be genuine and honest with your feelings. Evidently Tim does not possess those qualities. I have a feeling this post may easily exceed 150 comments.
Posted by Mark W. on January 8, 2009 at 11:33 am | permalink |
WOW … "Love her for this" … you are finding inspiration in this low ball writing, that does not speak well for you my friend. This is the most worthless piece of writing that I have ever seen. For it to be totally premised around Tim and the authors feelings about him …. I can actually see why your book did not work out. Dont mean to be mean about it, but then you did mention that we should call things for what they are. This is b**t, and I can assure you that I am not a Tim supporter or a Tim stooge or whatever Tim you are so scared. Let us see if you approve this and live by what you said above.
Posted by Lets call me Alex on March 16, 2010 at 10:05 am | permalink |
Thank you Alex.
Posted by Richard on January 28, 2012 at 4:50 pm | permalink |
Controversial post – I love it! :)
Posted by Pipps on January 8, 2009 at 11:36 am | permalink |
Your comment is SPOT ON! I was scrolling down to leave the same comment when I saw yours!
Posted by Nik on January 2, 2010 at 9:03 pm | permalink |
Hey remember that time you started a startup that wasn't really a startup but just another embarrassing way for you to compensate how massively insecure you are about yourself? You know, much in the same way you have to graphically discuss your sex and personal life because you feel like nobody will listen if you're just "you"?
I learned a lot from that too.
Posted by Andy on January 8, 2009 at 11:37 am | permalink |
The best comment on this site.
Posted by BB on October 13, 2009 at 11:38 pm | permalink |
Your comment is SPOT ON! I was scrolling down to leave the same comment when I saw yours!
Posted by Nik on January 2, 2010 at 9:07 pm | permalink |
Agreed!
Posted by gocre8 printing on January 9, 2010 at 4:12 pm | permalink |
At first I thought this would be a headline-grabbing bait-and-switch about how you really DO love Tim Ferris, but now I'm thinking not.
You know who he reminds me of (just from this column and the About page you linked to first)? My exBIL, who left his wife of 7 years and their three children (ages 5, 3, and 1) last year.
Clinical diagnosis? Narcissism.
Posted by Jane on January 8, 2009 at 11:38 am | permalink |
Like possibly most people who got something out of Tim's book, I'm really not bothered what kind of a guy he is personally. Most books these days have ideas that work and others that either don't, or not for oneself, including Tim's book and your book. His ideas have been pretty thoroughly argued against by people who disagreed with them already, but his personality is not really relevant to that process. Priests need good personalities for their brands, career advisors much less so.
Having said that, cult-ish leaders who inspire naively slavish followers generally do have personality flaws. They also tend to be supersuccessful at selling their stuff. And I like your time management tips :)
Posted by Alice Bachini-Smith on January 8, 2009 at 11:38 am | permalink |
Good comment Alice! Probably Tim Ferriss might have some good handful ideas that work for him but the fact that he sells it as easy work is an exploitation of a human tendency of getting easy money, says everything about the kind of followers he is looking for, people who lacks critical reasoning and a decent level of ethics. The fact that there is a legion of followers of him only speaks about the quality of american education and values. I've read better ideas on books that were made non for profit or that were way less successful. What people does not see is that only a handful of de population has the focus and tenacity to implement the book ideas. Good post as well!
Posted by Giuliana on March 15, 2011 at 2:54 am | permalink |
Dude – you're clearly jealous that his books is way better than yours.
This post is a cry for help!
Posted by Geta Life on January 8, 2009 at 11:40 am | permalink |
Thank you for calling a tool, a tool. It should happen more often.
Posted by Macy H. on January 8, 2009 at 11:42 am | permalink |
Beautifully said!! I've read the 4HWW, and although in principle it sounds great, you're right – its worthless if you want to have a life filled with real connections, which is what we, as humans need to achieve authentic happiness.
Plus, Tim is ultra-focus man. That sort of lifestyle is great for ultra-focus people, but seriously, who wants to do nothing but tango for 6 weeks straight? BORING!!
I'm amazed at the amount of groupies this utopia has inspired and the funny thing is, I double ANY of them have achieved a 4HWW. Its bullshit. Thank you for calling him on it!
Posted by caren on January 8, 2009 at 11:52 am | permalink |
Well, I want to do nothing but tango for the rest of my life and don't find it the least bit boring. :)
But I, and many of my tango-dancing friends, also hate Tim for claiming to be a tango dancer.
One friend's brilliant rant on that subject:
http://aberdeentanguera.blogspot.com/2009/05/why-i-dislike-tim-ferriss.html
Oh, and I loved this blog article, and have now subscribed to the blog. Terrific points!
Posted by ShelleyDelayne on June 10, 2009 at 3:01 pm | permalink |
I am wondering if the oral sex article the other day was directed towards Tim? You do sound a little like a woman scorned… So vitriolic..
Posted by malingere on January 8, 2009 at 11:54 am | permalink |
This is sexist and inappropriate. Period.
Posted by K.Rae on January 8, 2009 at 12:12 pm | permalink |
This.
Posted by Michelle on January 8, 2009 at 11:04 pm | permalink |
Just because a woman has a problem with a man, doesn't make it sexist.
I think she covers her hatred of Tim Ferriss pretty evenly and addresses only personality and basic work issues.
I thought this post was hilarious. Granted, i've never read the book, so I have no other side of the argument. But I tend to be suspicious of anyone who claims he or she can be successful in only 4 hours a week.
That said, the point about work/fun and semantics created an interesting discussion for my husband and I. I'm of the opinion that you can love your work but that doesn't make it not-work. And once you're a hugely famous best-selling author, anything you do in relation to the book or the advice you give in has to be considered work. It's just happens to also be a passion or to be enjoyable for you.
Posted by Abigail on January 13, 2009 at 5:27 pm | permalink |
ok.. she sounded like a 'person scorned'.. he did more to piss her off than she is telling us about..
Posted by malingerer on January 12, 2009 at 11:18 am | permalink |
This post had a lot of heart in it and is a great example of why I subscribe to your blog. You deliver career advice while calling Tim Ferris out for being a self-centered, conniving, ethically challenged, cheating, fraud.
Posted by Erin on January 8, 2009 at 11:56 am | permalink |
No, I think she actually said what a lot of people have been thinking, but have been afraid to say.
I read his blog. I bought his book. ANd then I sold his book because it wasn't what I thought it was going to be.
You are right in that time works incredibly hard. Yes, most of it is things that most people wouldn't consider work. But he is not sitting on a tropical island drinking mai-tais 36 hours of the week the rest of us would be working.
He is fiendishly successful, driven, and seems enormously happy. I wish him well. But his approach is not for me.
Posted by karen on January 8, 2009 at 11:57 am | permalink |
Meh, I understand your points AND have read his book. Although a lot of it is not applicable I did take several key points away from it.
About the Tango… He wanted to do that, he could stop at anytime. That's not work.
Work is being fired if you choose not to come in one day. Work is needing a job to afford living.
You know?
Posted by Mike on January 8, 2009 at 12:00 pm | permalink |
This is actually, I think, a core piece of the idea of a 4-hour work week. What is work? I think it might be a totally old-fashioned idea that work is something you don't like. Why does it have to be that?
I think a lot of this blog is about how generation Y is changing that for everyone. Work is about learning and friends and growing and teamwork. All stuff that is intrinsically good.
Also, in a world where you are managing your own career and you have located the intersection of your own talent and what the market will pay for, you can quit any given job any time and do something else that might be more enjoyable.
Finally, I really believe that having work is core to having a life. What we do with our time is our work. It's a very Montessori outlook, I know, but it's worth thinking about.
–Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on January 8, 2009 at 12:11 pm | permalink |
Penelope,
Please don't tell me you've succumbed to the Protestant work ethic. Generations X & Y are the force changing this antiquated mentality. You are their voice and their guide in the job market. Please feed us more than "You can't be Important without doing Important work".
-Sir Topham Hat
Island of Sodar Railworks Supervisor
Keeping really useful engines busy since 1923
Posted by Sir Topham Hat on January 9, 2009 at 12:08 pm | permalink |
You're right on Penelope – "work" in today's world should not equal "stuff you don't like to do but have to".
But for LOTS of people it is still the case.
When Tim calls it the "4 Hour Work Week", he means, that you can reduce the amount of time you spend on stuff you don't like doing but HAVE to.
Like firing his annoying customers that didn't contribute much sales anyways.
He's showing us how to set up a low maintenance / passive income source, which frees up time to go do whatever you enjoy doing, and possibly make even more money.
I respect and follow both you and Tim. I'm sure Tim does come across as sly/manipulative at times, but that's not the part that I respect him for.
It's for the "accelerated learning, and challenging limiting assumptions" bit that I respect him.
I daresay, you "challenge limiting assumptions" too, and that's one of the reasons I respect you!
Posted by Pratik Stephen on February 9, 2010 at 10:36 pm | permalink |
I think there is a fundamental miss with the term 'work' and instead we should shift it to job and avocation. I like Tim's book as it was a refreshing change from what was out there and he gave concrete enactable ideas. I tell everyone they should read it and tell me what they think. Where the book fails, in my opinion, is in this… I don't have a job where I perform a menial task in exchange for money . I really like what I do and wake up excited to do it and it – an avocation. I don't want to avoid doing it.
On the other side, as soon as a friend showed me this post, I gleefully reposted it on my Skype group to the same people I tell to read Tim's book. I'm sorry he caused you angst, but I am grateful for what came out of it.
Posted by Mark Stallings on June 6, 2011 at 10:05 am | permalink |
But if he tangos for 6 weeks straight and then writes about it (or whatever experiment he's doing) in a book or blog which generates money beacause of its stories or experiments…I'm sorry but that can't be described as nothing but WORK.
I'd love to be a free ride skier and live off my sponsors but it would still qualify as my job.
Posted by Lars on January 9, 2009 at 8:06 am | permalink |
It's interesting he's gotten under your skin enough that he got another large plug for his book on a top blog, even it is construed with negative connotations. Knowing Timmy, I'm sure he'll credit his genius time management skills and email spam-backs to somehow entice you to post about it in a fury.
I like when you tell the truth about how people can suck. Even if when it's about yourself.
Posted by Susan on January 8, 2009 at 12:04 pm | permalink |
@ Susan,
I actually don't see many people judging him based on Penelope's opinion. I certainly didn't. I have a lot of books I want to read and my time is precious. I'd rather start with one that hasn't gotten as much valid criticism, and if I get around to it, I'll read Tim's. I simply commended Penelope for speaking her mind.
It sounds like you've quickly formed your own opinion about us too.
Posted by Bea on January 8, 2009 at 12:32 pm | permalink |
Well, interesting. I'm amused by how many commenters, not knowing Tim, nor having read his book, are judging him on the basis of your OPINION.
No wonder the herd mentality is alive and well.
Read the book, form your own opinion.
To restate, an opinion is totally subjective – is says volumes about the "opinion giver," and nothing about the subject.
There is Tim, and there is your opinion of Tim.
There is "The Farmer," and there is your opinion of The Farmer.
People who confuse the two often end up buying swampland.
Oh, Penelope. I enjoyed reading your opinion about what you judge to be the motivations of someone you had coffee with, despite the fact that you confess to hating him before you met him.
When in doubt, borrow an opinion wherever one is available.
Yikes.
Posted by Wayne Allen on January 8, 2009 at 12:08 pm | permalink |
When in doubt, borrow an opinion wherever one is available.
In the publishing world this is known as a "book review." You can't possibly read every book, so you use other people's opinions to decide whether you should even try.
Posted by Derek Scruggs on January 8, 2009 at 12:45 pm | permalink |
I read the book, read his website, and he sounds like a major douchebag. He even looks like a douchebag. If you call a spade a spade, is it herd mentality? Or someone finally challenging said herd mentality that's been running around fawning over Ferris and the 4HWW?
I'd said PT's going against the grain on this one, pretty clearly.
Posted by Holly Hoffman on January 9, 2009 at 12:51 pm | permalink |
@Holly Hoffman
"I read the book, read his website, and he sounds like a major douchebag."
From YOUR blog
http://worklovelife.com/2009/01/news-flash-sex-is-a-distraction/
"I tried the “friends with benefits” thing with GIWS, who actually ended up becoming one of my best friends after our relationship ended, but that got messy fast and I decided for the sake of our friendship that needed to be an “emergencies only” kind of thing.
New Year’s Eve rolls around. And I pick up a guy in a bar. And take him home. I haven’t done it since like, college. "
And you say Tim's the douchebag?
Posted by Jerry on January 11, 2010 at 10:58 pm | permalink |
No, Jerry, I'd say you're a douchebag — your only comment is based on her sex life? She slept with a guy she wasn't married to? Clearly nothing she has to say has any validity.
I had to Google a picture of Ferris, and yeah, he looks like a douche. Especially after having read his book. The tone starts to grate as the smugness wears through.
Posted by Markus on February 23, 2010 at 8:36 pm | permalink |
Penelope,
Tim's whole "Four-Hour Work Week" shtick is a gimmick. A big fat gimmick. And unfortunately, that's what sells books, a gimmicky title. Just look at the book, The Flat Belly Diet. It's the same thing as the four-hour work week. Every woman wants a flat tummy like Giselle Bundchen or Marisa Miller, and they're going go out and buy The Flat Belly Diet in search of the Holy Grail of diets, and maybe they'll lose a few pounds, but they're not going to have abs like Giselle's. I've looked at the pictures in that book, and while all the women in the photos look beautiful, their tummies are not wash-board flat, and they're all shot at an angle to give the illusion of a flatter tummy.
There. Now I've vented and I feel better.
Thanks for uncovering the B.S. on this one.
Meridith
Posted by Meridith on January 8, 2009 at 12:09 pm | permalink |
Not only a fun, brash post calling someone out but your third post this week. Are we going to be seeing more posts from you this new year?
Posted by Lance Haun on January 8, 2009 at 12:17 pm | permalink |
Lance sums up my thoughts exactly.
I like the saucy Penelope.
Posted by Rachel - I Hate HR on January 8, 2009 at 5:27 pm | permalink |
By the time I finished (or rather got tired of) reading this book, I was both repulsed by many of the tactics it suggested and relieved that I borrowed it rather than bought it.
Posted by Lee Potts on January 8, 2009 at 12:20 pm | permalink |
Thanks for writing this.
Things Ferriss does that really annoy me, both on his blog and his book are:
1. redefine whatever the objective measurement is so that he's successful at it
2. lie when redefinitions don't work.
3. trumpet any small success or achievement as a big one, and leave out the pesky details
For instance with (1), he took someone else's advice about not being negative in speech and redefined what the metric was. So he could chew someone out as giving feedback without counting towards his negativity. Um, hello? That's part of the whole challenge if you're a boss or a parent. He writes himself a get out of negativity card.
For (2), he advises in his book to offer for sale a good that's really only an idea, and then use the responses as a beta test for the marketing. With two examples, the boy and the girl, the girl didn't want to market a yoga DVD because she was too honest to do so. She made it first. He obliquely referenced this as her having an ethical issue rather than "I don't want to lie" which is what his advice was.
For (3), he talks about being a tango champion. And he often writes about this in the context of other things, along the lines of tango is about style and grace and strength while comparing it to another activity. But he leaves out that he didn't win on anything we consider essentially tango. He won a Guinness Book record for the most number of turns. Which, coincidentally, he shares with his female dance instructor, because, you know, it takes TWO to tango.
He does have some interesting things to say, but his work reminds me of the book "Never Be Lied to Again" which has some excellent tips but then proceeds to tell you how to lie and trick and trap someone into telling you the truth.
Both are malefic in similar ways.
Posted by Gib Wallis on January 8, 2009 at 12:24 pm | permalink |
What surprises me about this comment is the negativity towards the three things you described about Tim Ferriss.
First, I think in moderation points 1, 2, and 3 are what most people who are good career managers do. Number 2 where you use "lied" I would say that's just a restatement of number 1, where truth is redefined.
The second thing about this comment is you chastise Tim Ferriss for these things, yet read Penelope's blog where many of these concepts are at the root of her advice. How often does advise to redefine the situation so you are successful, or tout small achievements as big ones and gloss over failures?
That's not a criticism to her, I think those things are great advice for managing a career. Maybe Tim Ferriss has more to offer than you think.
Posted by Monica O'Brien on January 9, 2009 at 2:49 pm | permalink |
Tim's book, I think, was more about "lifestyle design" (a term he coined) than working only four hours a week. Tim has said on my occations that the title of his book was hyperbole. It worked too – he's a bestseller.
And really, Tim's book is probably the BEST book out there in terms of a "how-to" on negotiating what you want out of life. Tim obviously a successful guy — which makes him an authority on the topic.
I'm sure someone has also brought up the point that everything should be taken with a grain of salt. Tim has some great points, but also some terrible ones (i.e. auto-responder).
Posted by Mike Waling on January 8, 2009 at 12:36 pm | permalink |
I normally would not get all preachy, but I would urge you to rethink using the term "hate". One, it should be beneath you, and two, do you truly hate him? That is a powerful word, that should not be bandied about to catch peoples attention.
A very practical approach is to respect those you dislike or those who dislike you and appreciate them for the lessons they teach you.
Posted by Jimmy on January 8, 2009 at 12:36 pm | permalink |
I think Penelope "hates" Tim the same way that Tim has a "4-hour work week."
Posted by Jeromy Timmer on January 8, 2009 at 1:37 pm | permalink |
This is by far the funniest comment on here.
Posted by haha on January 31, 2009 at 7:51 pm | permalink |
I agree :) LMAO
Posted by Kitchen Magic on October 26, 2009 at 7:42 am | permalink |
That's it!!!
Posted by Keith on July 8, 2011 at 12:18 am | permalink |
This post might make a few valid criticisms of Tim, but they are lost underneath all the seemingly baseless venom.
Penelope provides a reason and a justification for disliking the guy, but not for hating him. It indeed does make her come off as jealous.
Posted by Brian C on December 11, 2011 at 12:20 am | permalink |
I got sucked in by Timmy for a while–subscribed to his RSS and everything. Then I realized just what you said today: He's a cheat and a second-hander and a huge liar. I dropped him from my feed.
The sad thing is, he will undoubtedly convolute your post and the comments so that in his mind they somehow inflating his success — never doing a lick of "work" while he does so, of course.
Posted by Elsworth Toohey on January 8, 2009 at 12:38 pm | permalink |
A whole bunch of fountainhead fans here?
Posted by Ru on March 26, 2009 at 1:47 pm | permalink |
I didn't know who he was until this post.
He has over 13,000 followers on twitter and actually follows ZERO, which tells me that what other people say isn't important. I loathe him.
Posted by LexieB. on January 8, 2009 at 12:56 pm | permalink |
This is a directly lie and falsification, he responds and talks back to followers, quite a bit, more so than some other bloggers I could name.
If you don't like what Tim has to say and agree with Penelope then fine, but don't make up rubbish lies.
Posted by @AcutelyObtuse on July 14, 2009 at 4:34 pm | permalink |
Really AcutelyObtuse? Ok, name them then? And, um, you do understand how Twitter works, right? If he's NOT following anyone, that means he's NOT seeing anyone's status updates, and therefore it's NOT possible for him to "reply" to anyone.
And do you REALLY think that the great, time-managing genius Tim Ferriss is actually the one responding to people on his own blog lol? Or the one actually writing the blog posts at all? Didn't you read his book? Someone living in a hovel in "3rd world country" is doing it for him for $4/hr lol :D :D
Posted by flow on October 26, 2010 at 5:44 pm | permalink |
Wow – I thought the conclusion to this post would be something positive about him – like 'you hate him so much you can't forget him' or something. But no, it really is just a diatribe about a guy who wrote a book. Which I will now read. I just ordered it from Amazon.
Posted by Ally S on January 8, 2009 at 12:58 pm | permalink |
I feel like I should chime in here with something as I am actually a big supporter of Tim and what he has accomplished and also of P, whom I have had great personal conversations with. While Tim no doubt has some qualities about him that are off center, isnt that what it takes to get ahead in the entrepreneurial world. Maybe not cubicle nation, but to get ahead of your competition and grab the balls of your industry, you need to be a little out of whack.
For anyone who doesn't know the gist of the title, that is pure marketing. No one works 4 hours, whether you perceive what you do with your time as work or voluntary exercises (tango, kickboxing, video games). What he did was bring the ideas of lifestyle design into the forefront of mainstream culture, sold a few books and became someone with a voice.
By sending him email or joining in correspondence, you are opting into his voice. If you don't like it unsubscribe. That is the beauty of life, everything we do is opt-in, from the tv shows we watch to the books we read to showing up to work, we have the choice to say no. The consequences of those choices are not always favorable, but it is an opt-in choice.
I like how you are stirring the pot this week P! Its a great marketing move, if nothing else.
-G
Posted by Greg Rollett on January 8, 2009 at 1:16 pm | permalink |
Thanks for being consistently willing to say what the rest of us sometimes think but are afraid to articulate out loud. Brava.
P.S I saw him in NY this summer and heard him speak; 10 minutes in and every gut feeling I had about his depth was confirmed. A bit like a naked Emporer, complete with room full of adoring fans too impressed with sales numbers to state the obvious.
Posted by Tia on January 8, 2009 at 1:17 pm | permalink |
Penelope, what you said about time management not being an equation but being about relationships rang so true to me I nearly cried.
Posted by Noelle on January 8, 2009 at 1:41 pm | permalink |
I think a better title for Tim's book would be "how to make loads of money and only do 4 hours a week of work you hate." But that wouldn't sell many books would it?
Even if you love your job, there are usually a few tasks that you hate doing. I hate the phone, but particularly voice mail. What I took away form 4HWW was to think differently what we consider typical work. I've since changed my voice mail message to request people send me an e-mail for a more prompt response. The reality is that I never check voice mail.
Auto-responses to e-mail are beyond annoying, but some people will still feel compelled to use them. Strangely, some people still expect immediate responses to all e-mails, despite the fact that a)it's impossible and b)trying to do so would prevent me from ever doing the part of my job that I enjoy.
Posted by Aimee on January 8, 2009 at 1:46 pm | permalink |
I don't know this TIm Ferris guy but what a pompous P.I.G. I'm especially endeared by his automated email responses about how he only checks email twice a day. You are absolutely correct: NA. When he goes to the bathroom, does he include that in his automated email response? "This is TIm Ferris. I only check email twice a day. Also, when I am not checking email, I might be in the bathroom. Other than that, my day is too important to check emails and to wipe my ass.
It's unfortunate that buffons like Tim Ferris exist but you were smart to find the value add: you learned five time management techniques from this fool. Bravo to you Penelope!
Posted by acorn on January 8, 2009 at 1:49 pm | permalink |
I was such a sucker I bought his book before reading the bad reviews on Amazon. (Well, at least I got it with a gift certificate.) Unless you want to sell phony "brain quicken" supplements to college students don't expect to have a four hour work week. I did get a good laugh out of it though. Maybe not $20 work of laughs but it's a book that is definitely worthwhile to read on the toilet or while you're in line at the DMV. Just check it out of the library.
Posted by Sucker on January 8, 2009 at 1:55 pm | permalink |
I have both your books sitting side by side on my bookshelf. While I like them both, I think you are the far better writer. Of course I subscribe to your blog but not to his. You write with sincerity and humility. When reading Tim's work, it always feels like he's bragging.
Posted by Mark Orlando on January 8, 2009 at 2:00 pm | permalink |
P,
This post particularly caught my eye as this blog and F's blog are the only two "personal" blogs to which I subscribe. I've always considered the two blogs as very different: your blog is for professional and more career related advice, whereas Tim's is for more lifestyle and personal life advice. I stumbled onto your blog as I was looking for resume tips and I stumbled onto his blog as I was looking for a way to more efficiently pack for a backpacking trip.
You're right, I've never bought into Tim's 4HWW because it'd never work in a corporate system and he uses technicalities and what he refers to as "life hacks" to accomplish so much in such a short span of time. I also realize that he's a complete douchebag just from his posts, and after watching his show, "Trial by Fire", it pretty much reaffirmed that for me. I don't think the man has one genuine relationship and most of his contacts are people he'd name drop and network with, but never develop something real.
Yes, he does take it to the extreme, but he has a clear goal — to lifehack everything and anything and accomplish much more than anyone before he dies. Doing that makes him extraordinary and requires him to push things aside, like relationships.
It's not for everyone and it's not all for me, but I can pick and choose his advice for quickly obtaining new skill sets for my personal life and I'll stick with you for my career advice to obtain that balance that's perfect for me.
Keep up the good work and I loved this post because it gives me an idea of what the guy is like from someone who has actually met him face to face and didn't fall in love with the guy. It's like reading that one negative review on Amazon. Superb.
Posted by Yang on January 8, 2009 at 2:04 pm | permalink |
Hey, could you take on Steve Pavlina and his polyamory as personal development posts next? I'd buy tickets to read that!
Posted by MJ on January 8, 2009 at 2:06 pm | permalink |
Me too!!
Posted by haha on January 31, 2009 at 7:55 pm | permalink |
bravo. bravo. bravo. bravo.
Posted by Jason Pace on January 8, 2009 at 2:12 pm | permalink |
You are always a good writer, but you're at your peak best when you're pissed off. Go girl. Idiots like this Tim guy need to be outed and outed and outed at every possible opportunity.
Posted by Richard on January 8, 2009 at 2:22 pm | permalink |
Hi Penelope,
Thank you for your honesty and courage to "keeping it real". What a refreshing change. There are too many people out there in the world who say one thing to your face, and stab you in the back when your not looking. Keep it up!
Posted by Alison Charter-Smith on January 8, 2009 at 2:24 pm | permalink |
Who are you people, and how did you get on my computer?
Posted by clvrmnky on January 8, 2009 at 2:25 pm | permalink |
i think (nay, i KNOW) that i love you.
Posted by skampy on January 8, 2009 at 2:30 pm | permalink |
Penelope,
You are a better writer than Tim is. Too bad he spammed your site. That isn't what grown-ups do. Instead they learn to better themselves.
Posted by LT on January 8, 2009 at 2:34 pm | permalink |
I'm always on the fence with your blog, trying to decide whether to delete it from my RSS feed. You may have just won my subscription for life.
I've thought for years that Tim Ferriss fits the classic profile of a sociopath.
Posted by Paco on January 8, 2009 at 2:41 pm | permalink |
Your point about relationships is spot on in my opinion. The thing is though, I think, some people like Tim cannot understand the pure value of supporting a relationship with so much time and energy – they are about having others outside acknowledge their successes and being financially compensated for their work. Quite a few people experience relationhips in the periphery of their lives since they are unable to see the inherent value of mutual support amongst people. It's too abstract for them.
I do think the majority of people do feel though that success isn't real success unless you have people in your life to share it with.
However, people like Tim, truly cannot understand why others place so much emphasis on them (and in their minds "waste" their efforts).
Posted by The Sassy Sexpert on January 8, 2009 at 2:41 pm | permalink |
I was initially turned off by Tim’s strategy to win in kickboxing; however, I then found the similarity of his strategy to a billionaire I admire. Roger Penske. Roger took the rules, found a loop hole, and blew the competition away. He converted a wrecked Formula 1 car into a 2 seat sports car, known as the Zerex Special. This was controversial, but look at the fame and wins behind this small tweak.
Mr. Penske differs from Tim in regards to relationships. He is humble and values his friendships/relationships, so I'm not saying the two are similar in character at all.
Posted by Tiffany on January 8, 2009 at 2:42 pm | permalink |
Roger Penske created a real product that people wanted
Tim Ferris won the right to kiss his own ass and screwed real champions out of a competion for which they undoubtedly trained very hard and in which they all looked forward to competing. so Penske created something/Ferris nothing.Penske has the entrepreneurial spirit/Ferris has dick headedness
Posted by aad on January 8, 2009 at 5:30 pm | permalink |
No Offense. You sound bitter, like a little girl in love who got stood up for the prom.
Posted by Phillip B. Roberts on January 8, 2009 at 2:43 pm | permalink |
She does a little. But it is hard not to with that story. We've all been duped by salesperson trickery in some way and felt like that at some point.
Posted by Samantha on January 16, 2010 at 4:09 am | permalink |
Well, after giving this post some more thought, I think you should stop "hating" Tim – two years is too long. His approach has obviously solidified your core beliefs regarding teamwork, relationships, being self-centered, semantics, etc. Maybe you should thank him for becoming a benchmark – an antithesis – at least in some respects as you have outlined above.
Posted by Mark W. on January 8, 2009 at 2:44 pm | permalink |
This is an excellent post and I'm glad it appeared on Metafilter. I suspected at first that it might just be a vitriolic jealousy rant, but much of what you say rings true to my opinion of Mr Ferris. Thanks for writing it.
Posted by Benjamin Goodger on January 8, 2009 at 2:52 pm | permalink |
I read the 4-hour workweek and was really excited about it at the time. But the more I thought about Tim's advice the more I realized that his were not really strategies to "work smarter" but more along the lines of "how to push your work off on others." It's a potent strategy, one I've seen used successfully many times in the workplace. But I ultimately decided it's not a strategy I'd like to employ for myself.
Posted by The Office Newb on January 8, 2009 at 2:59 pm | permalink |
I just read your post and it makes a lot of sense. I never really thought about it like that.
Posted by geographictongue on August 1, 2011 at 12:09 am | permalink |
Unless you have Asperger Syndrome or something like that, controversy is a mindjail for human attraction. It can be sick and twisted, yet nonetheless true.
Posted by Torley on January 8, 2009 at 3:15 pm | permalink |
Our company nearly collapsed after the owner read The 4 Hour Work Week. Tried to outsource everything.
Posted by Ray on January 8, 2009 at 3:37 pm | permalink |
This is only my second comment to your blogs. I wonder if your content is a reflection of your life. If so, you must be in utter turmoil. I started reading your blog over 1 year ago and the mode was upbeat, authoritative and informational. It has since degraded (apparently around the time of the divorce) to regular rants about your unhappiness. I wish only great things for you but until you start to take control of your life I fear the worst.
Good luck to you in all that you do. I hope things improve, but it's up to you.
"The minute you alter your perception of yourself and your future, both you and your future begin to change."
* Marilee Zdenek
Posted by JMB on January 8, 2009 at 4:15 pm | permalink |
I wonder if this comments are made by Tim assistants, the use of quotes is so familiar!!
Posted by Vera on March 15, 2011 at 3:17 am | permalink |
Tim,
I am sure you'll read Penelope's post in great detail. I doubt you'll make it my comment, but if you do, why not do what you should have done much earlier: apologize to Penelope. To Penelope: you have every reason to feel abused, but please consider your own behaviour here: a mud-throwing article, which reveals your refusal to communicate with him to work things out. A bit childish isn't it? Not that Tim should complain: that's what happens when you're so full of yourself (I admire his accomplishments though).
Posted by F on January 8, 2009 at 4:15 pm | permalink |
Though I often have negative comments to write, I have to agree wholeheartedly with this one.
I can't stand Tim Feriss and could never understand why people weren't able to see through hid bullshit from the beginning.
He is like the 5:45pm piece on the 5 o'clock news. Promises to be great, but after you take a look, it's all fluff and over too quick.
Posted by kleinm on January 8, 2009 at 4:25 pm | permalink |
Childish maybe, but so much fun. I feel like I'm watching Gossip Girl. Go P!
Posted by j on January 8, 2009 at 4:29 pm | permalink |
I find this post totally inspiring. Am I going to hell?
Posted by HR Wench / Jenn Barnes on January 8, 2009 at 4:42 pm | permalink |
Jenn: nope, I think you need to try harder ;-)
Posted by Etienne on January 10, 2009 at 4:32 pm | permalink |
Tim Ferris' book "The Four Hour Workweek" is a HUGE seller for people who do the kind of work that I do. That's because everybody wants to have that sort of lifestyle.
I suppose anything's possible if you have enough money to pay people to do pretty much ALL your work for you. lol
Angela from Aberdeen
Posted by Angela on January 8, 2009 at 4:42 pm | permalink |
Yeah, I can see why. Some things just should NOT be outsourced.
Posted by Angela on January 8, 2009 at 4:45 pm | permalink |
I can't really say that "hating" someone makes you right. I hope you don't think you are.
Posted by Lobsterclause on January 8, 2009 at 4:46 pm | permalink |
I'm quite happy that someone writes this comment on Ferris.
This guy's idea is only "outsource your work".
OK it is great for some jobs (basically homeworking) but it is obviously not relevant for many, many others:
police, firemen, soldiers, doctors, etc.
I hope you'll write a comment on another "genius": Steve Palina…
Posted by d099 on January 8, 2009 at 5:15 pm | permalink |
Wow. I think you're way off base on this one, Penelope.
Tim is far from the maniacal double-talker you make him out to be. . .in fact, if you do ever get to know him outside your short coffee (which by your own admission you wanted to avoid in the first place), I think you would find him to be a warm and generous guy. Just take a look at all the fund-raising he does, for example.
Also, to put it plainly, the underlying theme of Tim's book, and a great deal of his philosophy from my standpoint at least, is INDEED sharing yourself with your friends and family, living life to its fullest, and removing one's self from many of the distractions of life. Not removing one's self from its people.
Take a breather. . .that's a lot of bottled up angst.
I'm also in complete agreement with @Mike Waling on your choice of the word "hate". Seems like a great use of semantics to draw attention to your own opinion, don't you think? It works both ways. Plus, hate. . .jeez. . .such a nasty and vitriolic word.
Cheers,
Doc
Posted by Doc Kane on January 8, 2009 at 5:17 pm | permalink |
I wouldn't exactly call someone generous who tells other people to give their money to a cause he decides is a good one. He's generous if he gives something – money, time, emotional support – of his own, something that's a sacrifice for him. Just as a politician isn't generous because he took money from other people by force and redistributed to other people, for his own glory or votes.
Posted by Markus on February 23, 2010 at 9:15 pm | permalink |
LOVE this post! I never thought about him this way, but you are totally right. For instance, I never thought about the email thing that way before, and it totally makes him look like a moron now that you've pointed it out. He's so arrogant about the whole email auto-response thing–like it's such a revolutionary idea. Really, how many people who work for someone else (which most of us do) can really do his whole "I check email once a day" thing and get away with it? And frankly, who would want to? I check my email constantly–who cares?
Frankly, his book is pretty dated now–in this day and age of everyone being connected all the time, I think it's more of a liability than a plus to be totally unreachable much of the time. There are so many successful people who are accessible via twitter or whatever 24/7; if someone is inaccessible then there's always someone else available right at that moment, waiting to take that business or establish that relationship or whatever.
The thing about Tim Ferriss is that he is a true narcissist–and proud of it. Sure, it helped him become rich and famous–as a result of his own relentless self-promotion. And the thing about the 4-hour work week? You are so right–the book should be called the 24/7 work week because he is always "on" and therefore always working. Sure, he's not chained to a desk answering to a boss 40 hours a week, but every minute of his waking life is devoted to furthering his success. That's work.
And the whole outsourcing thing has always struck me as exploitation.
When you get right down to it, his book is mainly about being a bull$hitter and getting ahead by taking advantage of people.
Posted by Maggie on January 8, 2009 at 5:42 pm | permalink |
This amuses me by the simple irony that I bought both of your books at the same time, and… they're were both actually physically touching on my bookshelf when I opened this.
What doesn't amuse me is that the 5 points above seem thinly veiled around a desire to vent about a personal relationship… jealousy or not.
While this is true, the two aren't at all mutually exclusive. I'll take both whenever I can. I think Tim would agree.
In any case, this post doesn't detract from what I've learned from Tim's book any more than your other personal relationship posts detract from what I've learned from yours. I continue to find value in both.
Posted by Andrew on January 8, 2009 at 5:54 pm | permalink |
Oh, Snap!
I haven't read the comments yet (later, though)—-and I didn't have an opinion either way on Tim Ferriss (okay, maybe a vague opinion about cheesiness and schlock–but nothing too venomous)—
but this is Pure Gold.
Posted by MelissaB on January 8, 2009 at 6:02 pm | permalink |
This is a surprisingly effective rant. When does someone actually rant and make clear, concise points as the same time?
I also have to agree with Meredith's comment – his book comes across as a gimmicky, cheap way to make money. Heavy on the hype, light on the content. Good for making the author money, but perhaps lacking an honest desire to really improve the lives of the people who were suckered into buying the book in the first place.
Posted by Aanda on January 8, 2009 at 6:09 pm | permalink |
I doubt that Penelope is any more jealous of Tim Ferriss than she is of Danielle Steel. We would all enjoy Ms. Steel's sales figures, but few would aspire to her literary accomplishments. By the same token, those who seek to make a genuine contribution to the field of career development have little respect for the narcissistic dilettantes who occasionally blast their way through the best seller lists with "lifestyle design manuals" and various other pop culture offerings.
Penelope often speaks truth to power. As an expert in her field, it is good that she occasionally speaks truth to misguided adoration.
Popular acclaim does not reflect genuine value. The unwashed masses will latch onto a sound bite (or a book title) and break into wild applause. In the case of an entertainment figure or sports celebrity, this is harmless enough. In the case of someone offering a list of irresponsible gimmicks disguised as a legitimate philosophy, there comes a time for the wiser among us to call the bluff.
Posted by Michael Covisi on January 8, 2009 at 6:10 pm | permalink |
Did you seriously just refer to the general population as "the unwashed masses"? Who the f#&* are you? And you're calling out Tim Ferris? What a little bitch you are.
Posted by adboy on August 9, 2010 at 2:13 pm | permalink |
I never thought the book title was about only working 4 hours per week. In fact Tim talks about working a ton to build the business that he was able to turn over to others to run while he lived his life they way he wanted. He did remind me to spend less time "re-acting" and to be "pro-active" in my business. Go get the work instead of waiting for the e-mail/call to arrive. I admire his success and enjoy watching his dance around the world. His book inspired me to re-work my business so I can spend 3 months in Paris and then 3 months in Argentina later this year.
I read 5-6 books a month and thumb through another dozen. I find very few that have as much interesting content as the author thinks they do. Most contain 2-3 good ideas and the rest is filler. Tim Ferriss has a Donald Trump thing going. People love him or they hate him. Think Rush Limbaugh and Howard Stern. The success is out of the edge. Most of what I have read in this post and comments is from the middle. The mediocre, the unfulfilled.
Tim had achieved a success few authors ever see. I applaud his marketing, creativity and grabbing life as he wants to live his life.
I hope you get a chance to rock that black dress!
Warmly,
Bryant Keefe
Posted by Bryant Keefe on January 8, 2009 at 6:25 pm | permalink |
Be irritated by him by all means, but why bother hating him?
Can't you just filter his annoying 'I don't check email' emails where they belong – the spam filter?
Very amusing post though and it's also nice to see someone poking the sacred cows of productivity gurus. I quite like David Allen's GTD system though.
Posted by Caitlin on January 8, 2009 at 6:43 pm | permalink |
I like Getting Things Done as well. That last link is to a post by David Allen, author of Getting Things Done, — about how time management is about making hard decisions about what our priorities in life are.
-Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on January 8, 2009 at 8:02 pm | permalink |
I read most of his book. Lost interest at the end.
I like the stressed Penelope because the veneer is stripped away and the real shows. And it's refreshingly human.
Keep at it!
And even if your company does fail: keep at it, try, try again. There is no success without failure.
Posted by Chris Mahan on January 8, 2009 at 6:09 pm | permalink |
FINALLY…thank you for indulging in a bit of a rant, and hopefully this will lead to more critical evaluation of Ferris' methods.
The only time I ever came close to meeting Tim Ferriss was at SXSW last year. He was flexing his biceps (no kidding) for a cadre of adoring fanboys surrounding him in the hallway. This was an amusing vignette, but very much in character.
He's always struck me as kind of the Martha Stewart of productivity/'lifestyle design' – collecting and rehashing secondhand ideas, wrapping it all up with his on personal ego-driven brand.
Posted by Sean on January 8, 2009 at 7:52 pm | permalink |
This post is why I love your blog. My husband calls you my girl-crush. Penelope keeps it real – yo!
Posted by Erin A on January 8, 2009 at 9:06 pm | permalink |
I did buy his book. Started reading it on a flight from San Francisco to Portland. Left it on the plane – did not miss it. Waste of a good flight…
Posted by Marianne on January 8, 2009 at 9:25 pm | permalink |
this is absolutely classic…
Posted by stu mease on January 8, 2009 at 9:53 pm | permalink |
P
I understand that you are quite respected in the blog world and as an author…Having said that you really have just done Timmy a great service by placing attention to his work and probably providing extra income to his lifestyle!!!(thereby potentially creating a 3 hour work week instead of a 4 hour work week!) Relationship are important, but being selective is probably even more important when time really is equates to your life…would you waste your time/life on people that do not resonate with your higher purpose? oops you did,that was with Tim! You are right he probably did work incredibly hard and now he pursues what he wants to do…sounds like really bad grapes…but I ll buy your book if it helps!
Posted by Trev on January 8, 2009 at 11:23 pm | permalink |
I think she would have linked to and discussed her book in this post if she wanted you to buy it as a result of writing this post.
Posted by Mark W. on January 9, 2009 at 2:16 pm | permalink |
I wonder – did you purposefully spell Tim's last name two different ways?
:-) That was a fun read. Way to be constructive with an annoying and energy-sucking situation!
Posted by SaraH on January 9, 2009 at 12:12 am | permalink |
Ok, truth told, I've picked up a few tips from Tim Ferris' book that were useful to me, even as I arched my eyebrows at his more questionable tactics, like how he practically browbeat the teaching staff at Princeton with interrogations in order to ensure good grades.
But, your piece here is a gem, it really is, mostly because it comes from the gut, and that is the kind of writing I connect with best.
What it is eye-opening for me, also, is what you say about selling a book. I just sort of thought Tim Ferris wrote the book and then someone else marketed it for him and then the royalties came rolling in. Duh, I now know. From what you recount here, there's much more to being a successful author than writing stuff that people want to read. That's a little daunting.
Posted by Systeria on January 9, 2009 at 12:23 am | permalink |
You really never considered that promoting your work was an essential part of being a writer. You. Are. An. Idiot. Why do I get the feeling that most of the people criticizing Tim here are simple, naive and just plain dumb?
Posted by adboy on August 9, 2010 at 2:18 pm | permalink |
I loved this post. I never read Tim's book because the concept of a 4-hr work week is absurd. Striving for it only seems futile. However, I now know that I actually have a 4-hr work week, because I love what I do all day and night. (Heck, maybe I'm down to a 2-hour week!)
Here, I thought I was killing myself with work and needed to try to cut back my "work" hours…Achieve a work/life BALANCE (not blend). Instead, since I actually like what I do in all those hours, I'm not really working at all! Glad I could find out by reading your blog and not picking up a totally useless book. :-)
Posted by Mimi on January 9, 2009 at 12:51 am | permalink |
I was expecting this to be a post about the lessons you can learn despite how you feel. Instead you made it about tearing someone else down because you disagree with how they do business.
I too read 4HWW and thought his tips were just tricks. I found myself thinking, "If he has to find ways to love him job, maybe he's in the wrong career path." I see it everyday: people that do what they're good at instead of what they love and that's how Ferriss presented himself to me.
But it doesn't mean he got it ALL wrong. His method is perfect for other people like him. Today you reminded me of something my grandfather taught me when I was younger:
You have to let yourself learn from every open source. Look at someone and say: I want to do this like them, but I don't like the way they do that so I want to find my own way.
Hate to say it, but I feel like you still have more to learn from Tim Ferriss.
Posted by Eva on January 9, 2009 at 1:07 am | permalink |
Fantastic post! Thank you so much for exposing the real Tim Ferriss for the rest of us who were puzzled by his super human capacity to get things done in 4 hours a week. Hah! What a joke! After hearing only foolish praises about his work for far too long, the truth finally emerges. Great job, Penelope :)
Posted by Aishwarya on January 9, 2009 at 2:06 am | permalink |
(I can't believe I found your blog only in the last month – but there you go.)
I have a new definition of irony:
Brazen Careerist + 4HWW are listed on Amazon is 'titles frequently bought together :-)
Hilarious irony is that the 3rd title is 'The Dip'
Don't know what says about Amazon's algorithms if your book wasn't a best seller? Love your writing and would have bought the book if I was interested in the topic.
Posted by Dennis at Retailsmart on January 9, 2009 at 2:27 am | permalink |
If the economy is going down the tubes and your business is failing start a war. As a strategy it isn't new and it has worked for quite a few countries.
I guess it will be interesting to see if it works for your blog. I guess by the number of comments that you have at least woken everyone up from the holidays and no mention of gob jobs.
Congratulations.
Posted by If all else fails... on January 9, 2009 at 3:02 am | permalink |
Trev said:
> P
> I understand that you are quite respected in the blog world and as
> an author…
Really? You mustn't Google much.
Posted by John on January 9, 2009 at 5:17 am | permalink |
What an utterly bitter and childish way to try to direct more traffic here.
Penelope, once your blog was good, contained tips and insights to make one think about a lot of things. Now it seems that along with your company and personal troubles it has sunk to pure non-sense.
Tim spams you? How about setting up a simple mail rule? All email programs (as well as services) alows you to do that and then you would be gone instead of getting angry about it. Take a lesson from Guy Kawasaki, that guys never writes an angry post and seems to be an overall nice guy – hatred does not get you anywhere.
Posted by John-777 on January 9, 2009 at 6:14 am | permalink |
Example of why TF's ideas suck:
I remember trying to score a lunch date with you last year at a conference we both were speaking at. I had just read Tim's book and added the same auto response to my email. After you agreed to meet me you got my "I don't check email" reply, then got pissy with me. I immediately removed the reply and joined the "Tim Ferriss Sucks" club.
Needless to say, you blew off lunch. We still met but only because I conference stalked you.
Thank you for teaching me this that day:
"5. Time management is about making time to connect with people
The idea of time management only matters in relation to how important the stuff is that's competing for your time. The stuff that makes time management the most difficult is relationships. Which Tim does not excel in."
I've used this story 100 times to demonstrate that point.
p.s. you still owe me a lunch date
Amanda Hite
Posted by sexythinker on January 9, 2009 at 7:57 am | permalink |
Invent a new word for "work" and what it means, and then I will think you are onto something.
Posted by Barbara on January 9, 2009 at 7:58 am | permalink |
I think I love you, well, at least if adding you to my RSS reader is a sign of anything.
Want to have coffee? I'm meeting with a few really interesting people. I'll tell you more after we find them and sign the NDA's. Seriously, you don't want to miss this.
Posted by Matt on January 9, 2009 at 8:42 am | permalink |
This is my first comment on this blog. I followed a tweet by Steve Rubel to get to this piece.
For the record, I did read Tim's book and I did like it. I also thought it was about 50% bull*/%t. But that's true of most "do-this-to-achieve-amazing-success books. I could say the same about this post. I think about half what you said was valuable info, the rest is "blog-posting 101: write a controversial post about someone popular and get plenty of readers and comments.
Not that I'm faulting you for it. It works doesn't it? Look at all these comments. Only problem is…this is the sort of thing that Tim would also advocate doing.
Sorry, I was just following your point number 2…
I am still going to subscribe to your blog by the way.
Posted by Alain on January 9, 2009 at 8:49 am | permalink |
That's the best damn post I've seen from you in over a year.
Posted by Sean C on January 9, 2009 at 9:03 am | permalink |
I don't know much about you or Ferriss (yet). But if anything you say is actually true, I LOVE your style. Saying it like it is. Calling someone out. Just like the old days in Brooklyn, NY where I grew up. Trash this PC b.s.
It was a fun read.
P.S. If you are being satirical, I feel foolish!
Posted by KeepingItReal on January 9, 2009 at 9:16 am | permalink |
Good post, but I can't help but note:
You use Amazon's referral program to link to Tim Ferris' book. That's a little like saying, how I learned to stop drinking alcohol, which you can buy here. Just saying.
Posted by Alexey on January 9, 2009 at 9:44 am | permalink |
If people want to smoke crack, might as well make some dough in the process. It's a built in tick of entrepreneurs.
Posted by Matt on January 9, 2009 at 9:46 am | permalink |
This post and the previous post generated some traffic, as in the past, suggesting a need to stay more focused on career. As a reader what I have noticed by the variety of topics is that they all fit because you can not separate career and life. We all have likes, dislikes, sex, love, kids, play and various things that make up our life. It is not possible to separate our career from our life as they are too interconnected. As such the variety of Penelope's posts are a reflection of the fact our career though not our life is too much a part of us to not include apparently unrelated issues when thinking about or discussing our career. I found the last two posts quite enjoyable.
Posted by Don B. on January 9, 2009 at 9:49 am | permalink |
Penelope I adore you! I couldn't finish Tim's book. I like the concept of free time; but, only to make time for more meaningful connections.
You go girl! -michelle
Posted by Michelle Singer on January 9, 2009 at 10:06 am | permalink |
Good for you Penelope. I remember his blog marketing blitz and it was brilliant, but the book (or plan or whatever) was obviously snake oil.
Posted by Julie on January 9, 2009 at 10:10 am | permalink |
Nicely done P, yet another post that makes me proud to be part of the Brazen community.
I always enjoy reading your posts, but this week in particular, I've really enjoyed reading the comments. You have some very polarized readers here; Tim-lovers and fellow Tim-haters and then some that are in the middle of the road.
Your writing is refreshing and continues to be relevant to your blog's niche. Relating oral to work and Tim's douche-ness to time management is a talent and I wish more people could see that.
Keep it up!
Posted by Sydney on January 9, 2009 at 10:13 am | permalink |
Not to pick sides, but this is the most entertaining blog post I have read in a good while. For shear entertainment value, I give it an 11 on a scale of 10.
QUESTION: You say that Tim's employees were spamming your blog. Is this what PR people do these days? Like, did Tim retain a PR agency for this? And, was it done strategically, on a few blogs like yours and Guy's and Seth's, or on a wide, indiscriminate scale?
I get a ton of PR spam, like "Harry, we are big fans of your amazing blog MarketingHeadhunter.com, and we thought you might like to know that the New England Journal of Medicine has just released an important new study on ginkgo biloba and lower back pain and we thought your readers might want to know …"
Just curious.
Harry
Posted by Harry Joiner on January 9, 2009 at 10:13 am | permalink |
106 106 106!
Agree with all the above. I love Tim too – for his brazenness. But Penny you come across as some one I'd actually like to get to know.
"Epictetus". London
Posted by Epictetus on January 9, 2009 at 10:13 am | permalink |
How can you hate without knowing hime
Posted by Mike on July 31, 2011 at 10:27 pm | permalink |
How can some people hate without knowing who he even is. lol
Posted by Mike on July 31, 2011 at 10:28 pm | permalink |
Awesome. I don't know Tim Ferriss, but he's always sounded like a d*ck to me!
Posted by Holly Hoffman on January 9, 2009 at 10:25 am | permalink |
I love your commenters. Well, most of them. Of course you have a few sad, pathetic people that only have negatives in their life and comments. Anyway, I'm subscribing to your comments now.
Carol
Posted by Carol Saha on January 9, 2009 at 10:31 am | permalink |
yes totally agree. I love tim too. Well said
Posted by Adrian on March 6, 2011 at 1:49 am | permalink |
What is it with all these people and the hate?
Posted by Robert Steers on March 16, 2011 at 3:34 pm | permalink |