This post is from Clay Collins, author of the blog The Growing Life.
Generation Y is known for rolling into work late while wearing headphones, and dressing as if every day were casual Friday. We're often seen TXTing in our cubicles, taking breaks, and instant messaging. While these images don't exactly encourage others to view us as bastions of uber-productivity, we're often a hell of a lot more productive than previous generations.
Here are seven reasons why my generation (Generation Y) is often more productive than yours:
Reason 1: We use the best tools
Generation Y is more than comfortable doing the experimentation necessary to find the right tools and technologies for most effectively completing a task. We understand the company's project management software better than you do because we are comfortable playing with it. And we can probably recommend 2-3 other tools that would work better in the situation because we're not afraid to rely on nearly-free, online productivity tools from unknown companies. Our to-do lists are carefully maintained, prioritized daily and synced with our PDAs and iPODs.
Reason 2. We're good at automating
Generation Y has grown up with technology and we believe that computers can do just about anything (or that they will someday). So when we're receive a task, the first question we ask ourselves is: "how can technology make this task go faster?" Sometimes our efforts to employ technology make things more complicated, but quite often we end up successfully automating a repetitive task, saving ourselves and our companies thousands of dollars.
Reason 3. We get better sleep
Previous generations have lived by Ben Franklin's aphorism: "early to bed, early to rise, makes a man healthy, wealthy and wise." Generational Y intuitively knows what psychologists have confirmed: that a significant percentage of the population is much more productive when they go to bed late and get up late. Simply put, you're more productive when you follow your biologically determined circadian rhythms and get up when your body tells you to.
Reason 4: We're much more likely to love our jobs
Since Generation Y switches jobs much more frequently than previous generations, we're much more likely to be doing things that (1) we're good at, and (2) we actually like. All the job switching and repositioning we do means we're much more likely to end up with professions that are actually suited to our passions and talents. And every productivity guru knows you're most productive when you're doing things you actually care about.
Reason 5: We stay up to date in our fields
Another upshot of changing jobs so frequently is the need to stay on top of the latest developments in our fields. Because job searching is a somewhat continual process for Generation Y, we're likely to teach ourselves new skills, or pay for training, even if our employers don't because we want to stay competitive. We see training and skill-building as our own responsibility – not something that our employer will necessarily do for us. And our lifestyle choices reflect a passion for constant learning and development .
Reason 6: We're experimental
Generation Y is continually doing research and development at the individual level. And because Generation Y cares more about getting new experiences and learning new skills than about not making mistakes , we're willing to try new things, be creative, and take new angles. While this experimental approach might not result in quantifiable productivity, it leads to the kind of shifts in thinking that save time and money over the long haul.
Reason 7: We don't "go through the motions"
We've seen our washed up parents work shit jobs they hate, and we won't go through the motions for the sake of job security. If you're an old-school boss, then this won't be comfortable. However, not going through the motions for the sake of going through the motions actually makes us more productive in the long run.
Clay Collins is author of The Alternative Productivity Manifesto, and Quitting Things and Flakiness: The #1 Productivity Anti-Hack. Clay also writes about lifestyle design at Project Liberation.









Great post! And it's all so true. As a recent graduate (from grad school), I was discussing with a supervisor & friend the daunting and discomforting nature of working an 8-5. Why? — because of #3. 8-5 disrupts my natural rhythm, and I'd be much happier working 10-7.
Posted by Ashe Mischief on 07/31/2008 at 11:26am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Man I love this post! Check out my last post on Do You Feel Like a Toby Sometimes. http://blog.talentdrive.com/talentfilter/2008/07/do-you-feel-like-toby-sometimes.html
Posted by Alex Cantu on 07/31/2008 at 11:38am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Clay
If your goal was to be provocative – BINGO!
"washed up parents" Ouch! A little judgmental?
I congratulate on your confidence and enthusiasm, but a little moderation, tolerance and patience might be in order.
It's good to be on the leading edge, but you might might want to stay off the "bleeding" edge.
You're mindset is not going to contribute to the solution, so you're part of the problem.
Regarding the use of technology, mentor an older co-worker in the use of web/enterprise 2.0 tools to enable them to do their work more effectively and efficiently. Don't teach them tool, teach them how to use it in their work. You'll learn too, about the business of your company, and build a relationship that will yield benefits that might surprise you.
Ask Ryan H what his mother might think of your post.
Posted by Joe Wehr on 07/31/2008 at 11:48am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Is there any generation that couldn't say this? The technology is new, but the principles aren't.
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You're right. Just about every generation can say this. Since World War II, productivity in the U.S. has doubled. Doubled. This is due, of course to improvements in technology, but also in our understanding of human productivity. Every generation is getting more productive than the previous one.
–Clay
Posted by KateNonymous on 07/31/2008 at 11:51am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Golly, another post by some kid who thinks that nobody over 35 is capable of learning a new skill or using technology. Look, son, I was writing scripts and macros when you were at your mother's teat. We Xers and Boomers are not all lifeless automatons who cower in our cubicles all day, unwilling to speak truth to our corporate masters. Some of us have known about work-life balance for a while now, thank you very much. I suppose that every generation thinks of itself as the font of all worthwhile knowledge–I remember well thinking how clueless my old colleagues were when I started. But eventually you realize that you don't know everything, and that your elders may actually have accumulated some worthwhile life experiences. You'll get there eventually, and I hope to god that you don't have to listen to Generation Z telling you how worthless you are when you do.
Posted by Grumpy Gen-Xer on 07/31/2008 at 11:54am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Seriously? I could write about the positive attributes of every generation and show how it has a positive effect on their business performance. I didn't know it was a pissing match about who was more productive though so I came unprepared.
I guess I'll just have to start with your numbers showing that Gen Y is more productive.
Err, nevermind.
Gen X and Boomers have done stuff in the business world. Their success is proven by results. Look at the Fortune 100. Gen X and Boomers are all over the place. We aren't there yet.
An argument like this rings empty to businesses because there are no numbers or results to back it up. Until we do something, we're not going to be respected for bucking the unpleasant things about working.
Posted by Lance on 07/31/2008 at 11:55am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I can say yes to all of the above reasons, and I'm way past my twenties. I've met many people in their twenties who do not exhibit any of these traits. I don't see any reason to categorize people by age, it's too simplistic and doesn't add to our understanding of how people work and learn.
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Yeah, analysis based on age is often too simplistic. I agree. Still, there are some notable cohort effects.
It's important to note that what I'm describing is a general trend that applies to averages among large populations. There will always be exceptions (and in this case, there are many). But I see positive developments as well, and many of these positive developments often co-vary with age. That's all :-)
–Clay
Posted by Harold Jarche on 07/31/2008 at 12:03pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I can definitely see the advantage of Gen Y being able to easily find the best tools for the job. At one of my last jobs, one of the hardest parts of my job was not finding tools that would make our lives easier, but teaching my co-workers to use them. Luckily, they were open to learning, but I did still have to spend a significant amount of time writing down each new step as clearly as possible.
It's amazing how different our generations are in our basic comfort with computers and new programs.
In response to a commentator about, the reason I think we Gen Yers feel the need to write articles like this is because – when we are in the workplace – a lot of Boomers treat us like ignorant kids who aren't capable/productive.
And yes, we do work a little differently, but the workplace has also changed a lot. We can't depend on job security, and paying our dues probably won't pay off because we won't be there (either due to our own choice or not) long enough. So it's not surprising that our generation feels like we have to look out for ourselves more.
Posted by Katie Konrath on 07/31/2008 at 12:10pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I usually like your column a lot. I will often print out a post and tack it up on the bulletin board for others. However, this is the most blatant ageism I have seen in a while. And it doesn't even have the virtue of being true.
Are you comparing Y to X or Y to the baby boomers?
Posted by Tim in SF on 07/31/2008 at 12:12pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Well, all I can say is that you really need to get to know more people than your 'washed up parents'… It may even be worth losing some sleep hours. And looking up from your bots. :-)
Posted by Shefaly on 07/31/2008 at 12:14pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm not sure what's more interesting. The way Gen-Yers compare themselves favorably to other generations, or the way other generations resent the comparisons.
The fact of the matter is Gen-Y is way too arrogant. We think we're really hot stuff and can beat the pants off of anyone else when it comes to a contest of productivity and money-making ability. We think we're light-years better, but we're actually just slightly different.
Most Gen-Yers are better with computers than previous generations. That's not to say that previous generations are lacking in intelligence. Far from it. It's thanks to our parents and even farther back that we even have computers. Bill Gates is older than my Dad and he's undeniably influenced the progression of computer software and hardware in incredible ways. He wasn't the first one to invent computers either.
That being said, I usually have an edge in computer use and productivity than most people over 40. Why? Because I grew up with them and as Clay points out in Reason #6, I was experimental with them. That's the key to learning and keeping up with advances in computers. No class or set of classes can do the same thing, because things are always changing. You have to keep experimenting and figuring things out on your own. Otherwise you're stuck doing things by the book, and the book isn't always right about the fastest simplest way to get the computer to do what you want it to do.
In a nutshell, we're arrogant, but we do have a couple excuses. One is that we do know technology. That's not a very good excuse, but it is an excuse. Second, we're young. Arrogance is something that we'll hopefully grow out of given a little time to gain experience and realize how fragile we really are. :)
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In response to this: "that's not to say that previous generations are lacking in intelligence."
I think you're right. It should also be noted, however, that there is a LARGE pool of data in the psychological literature showing steady in robust increases in IQs in the general population over time. The generation under me will, as a population, score higher than my generation, etc.
That's not to say that we're smarter. It's just to say that, over time, each generation is getting progressively better at scoring well on a test that was designed to test the ability to be productive workers in this modern society.
–Clay
Posted by Michael Henreckson on 07/31/2008 at 12:15pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
As an academic librarian, I have to disagree somewhat with points 1 & 2. No doubt there are 20-somethings out there who really are on the leading edge of technology and automation, but a lot of the students I see have never explored technology beyond Google, Facebook and instant messaging.
I am currently teaching a class on online research to a small group of teens who've been hired as summer research assistants. I handed out a pre-course knowledge survey to get a sense of where they're at. In addition to lacking any traditional library research skills, these students all indicated that they are unclear about what a database is, are not making use of RSS readers to keep track of feeds, and aren't using social bookmarking tools.
Now compare this to most of the librarians I know. Most of my colleagues are reading and writing blogs, subscribing to feeds for both blogs and academic journals, creating wikis, using screencasting software to produce online tutorials, and even, in some cases, inventing their own apps. Most of the people I'm thinking of are in their 30s and 40s.
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Right. Most librarians are going to be better at using library-related technology than teenagers. My hunch, however, is that most 35-year-olds will know less about how to use technology, in general, than the teenagers.
I think it's important to remember that librarians have MAs in "library and information studies" and that the general population does not. So that probably skews the analysis.
–Clay
Posted by dewey_decimal on 07/31/2008 at 12:35pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
sorry, but….who cares? did you write this to justify all of those text messages? because regardless of how productive they may have been, you still LOOK like you're completely wasting time with personal stuff.
and that's not good for anyone.
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I think it’s much better when managers manage results, not appearance. I’d rather work with someone who’s twice as efficient as the average employee, even if they look like they’re doing 1/4th of the work.
–Clay
Posted by francy on 07/31/2008 at 12:53pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Ditto what Harold said–I can say yes to them all too and I'm 40. One thing about all the Gen-Y stereotyping is that, as dewey says, while most 20-somethings are familiar with YouTube and Facebook, many (most, to gratuitously generalize as you do) have no idea about technology–or work, or life, for that matter–beyond that. Just because a person can send a text message doesn't mean that they're an edgy go-getter.
One thing that doesn't compute for me is the disconnect between the ubiquitous over-achieving high-school and college students–all AP classes and extra goes at the SATs to ensure the best possible score and supercharged activity schedules–and these laid back, who cares how much I make as long as I'm happy 20-somethings. These Gen-Yers you're talking about–how did they manage to switch gears from "I must get all As and be in all honors classes and play by the rules to get into the best possible college" to "Who cares if I make mistakes?" young professionals?
I love Penelope but my one criticism of Brazen Careerist is that having all Gen-Y bloggers is getting kind of old. Every post seems pretty much the same as all the others: Look at me, I'm 20-something and I have figured out the secrets of the career universe. Ok–we get it already! How about some other perspectives?
Posted by Maggie on 07/31/2008 at 01:02pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks for the nice laugh this morning. Since most Gen Y'ers seem to use these vaunted technology skills to post embarrassing photos of themselves on Myspace and Facebook while somehow not figuring out what Spellcheck is means I'm not too worried about the Gen Y competition.
I wonder if there will also be an epidemic of neck strain (to go along with the video game and social networking induced carpal tunnel) because of all this Gen Y navel gazing.
Posted by Aaron on 07/31/2008 at 01:03pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
@ Maggie I can answer your question about the overachieving high schoolers because I was one. I had a full 16 college credits before I entered college, despite not taking a single AP test my senior year. I lettered in track, swimming, band and bunch of other activities. I was also did two youth in government programs, and went to state every year in a creativity competition. Then, in college, I graduated a semester early despite switching my major 4 times.
What happened to me is that I learned that people can work really hard doing everything they're supposed to do, and excelling – but still be laid off because the company wanted to cut costs.
Companies broke their deal with the workers, and I no longer feel compelled to play their silly game.
I have no problem doing the dirty work for a company, but I want my contribution and abilities to be recognized, and I want to work on something that matters.
Posted by Katie on 07/31/2008 at 01:21pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Clay
Thanks for giving everyone a chance to hurl grenades at you. You made it way too easy.
On the other hand, you've stimulated discussion and engagement. Attractive for potential investors in Brazen Careerist.
In future posts you might want to focus on what you've learned from the feedback to this post (failure is often more valuable than success) and suggest ways to make the workplace more engaging for young people and to build relationships with older co-workers.
Hold your head high, you're trying to make adifference.
Joe, a Boomer (1947) with a Gen Y mindset
Posted by Joe Wehr on 07/31/2008 at 01:28pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Generation Yers! We need to start encouraging positive views of us by being productive in the first place. Somebody took the whole thing about 'washed up parents' too sensitively first of all. Parents aren't washed up, they're just getting older. Then again, I'm wondering if I'm going to find an office-job by the time I'm thirty. I'm 27, post-college.
Posted by Supernetuser on 07/31/2008 at 01:28pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
@Michael Henreckson
Thank you for your acknowledgment of the contributions of previous generations and the tools they provide so that succeeding generations can be more productive. Each generation has its own strengths and unique experiences. A productive workplace with a range of generations (one form of diversity) will seek to work together and maximize each generations strengths rather than emphasize their generational differences.
Posted by Mark W. on 07/31/2008 at 01:30pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Clay:
The one thing that I learned that is key to your success – more than anything else – is the way you get along with your coworkers. Emotional Intelligence. People really don't hire,promote, invest in, and buy stuff from people they don't like. It's probably not fair, but it's true. Therefore, if you go around telling other generations (who at this point make up the majority of American workers – Gen Y is just getting started, man) how much better you are then them, they will not like you. And you have a really hard time getting ahead.
Another thing to remember is with age come wisdom. My grandmother may break the remote control to her television every six months, but she has really good advice when I get in a jam. She doesn't have a computer or a cell phone – but there are lots of things she knows that I couldn't even begin to grasp.
So, in the future, please remember that every person in their 20s since the beginning of time has thought that their cohort was the best generation of all time. When you write posts like this, it makes you sound like a punk (and I really don't think you are.)
Posted by GenerationXpert on 07/31/2008 at 01:52pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
fantastic post! really enjoyed reading it. I completely agree about we seek our own training. Absolutely. I would also add that much of our "training' is just by first hand experience. Our generation is inventing the tools that make life faster and more efficient and we are more apt to try them and make our own tweeks. Twentysomethings are a bit lazy in that they don't want to "reinvent" the wheel- we rely on a few to invent it for us and then the majority just adapt that wheel to our best use.
Thanks for a great post! Would love your opinion on my blog sometime. I talk about the joys of being a twentysomething and going from college to corporate.
Posted by MsCatalysta on 07/31/2008 at 01:55pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
All those reasons and all that productivity, yet Gen Y has yet to really DO anything except blog about what they're capable of doing. I don't see it. Not impressed.
Posted by tinyhands on 07/31/2008 at 01:57pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I grow weary of the Gen Y superiority complex. Congratulations, you've mastered Twitter and Facebook; so now you are ready to be CEO. Perhaps previous generations also drew from a bottomless well of narcissism, but we didn't blog about it ad nauseam.
You kids are damn lucky there's no draft because if you think corporate heirarchy is a problem, the military would crush you. Before we "washed up" hacks empower you to spend company revenue and potentially alienate clients, we will test you. Sadly, I find many of you utterly lacking in anything but enthusiasm and an outsized sense of entitlement.
Posted by Maus on 07/31/2008 at 01:58pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
@GenerationXpert. Great post. I agree with you completely.
Posted by Hope on 07/31/2008 at 02:05pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
How difficult is it to stay "up to date" in your field when you've only been in the field 5 years?
I'm impressed when I see people pull that trick off for 30 years (or more).
Posted by Ken on 07/31/2008 at 02:26pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
"Reason 2. We’re good at automating"
We are getting so good we are automating ourselves out of our jobs. Then our productivity drops to zero :-).
Ben
Posted by Benjamin on 07/31/2008 at 02:48pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Yup, and Generation Y also invented sex.
Posted by Andrew on 07/31/2008 at 03:15pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Boy, does this hit some nerves! How soon did it take to get 20-25 comments!?
I'm a tail-end boomer, although I hardly consider myself one. My Gen Y kids come to me for IT advice since I work in that field and they do not. I regularly update my skills, not because I'm of a certain generation, but because it's a necessary component of the field in which I I work.
Here's the real glitch of Clay's far out analogy. Generation Y is just starting out. Most are not even married, let alone have kids. Heck, some of them keep moving back home with Mom and Dad! So, sure, they can quit their jobs whenever they're bored, or go back to school for the latest trend.
But life's a circle. Like the rest of us, Gen Y will also grow older. They'll get married and have kids. They'll stay with a job longer, until they're guaranteed a better one, because they have dependents. Taking classes to updates skills won't be as affordable or accessible. Goodness, by time they're 40-50 yrs old, they may have even been working for 20-30 years and be tired of it, no matter what they're doing! (But they won't be able to quit because they'll still be taking care of kids, since they started so late).
Every generation has been there, each in our own way. Every generation thinks we know it all when we're 20. We get even worse when we're 30, because we have a few years' experience under our belt. By time we hit 40, we start to realize the more we know, the more there is we don't know.
Beyond that, I haven't a clue, since I haven't gotten that far. I look forward to a whole exciting world yet to come.
Clay, I hope you write a follow-up in 20 years. It's sure to be good. And likely a bit humbler.
Posted by sophie on 07/31/2008 at 03:37pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
In a word: bullocks.
I think I probably know people from any of the recent generations still in the workforce that exhibit several of these traits, myself included. And I know those who are and aren't productive on both sides.
Bottom
Posted by 1wineDude on 07/31/2008 at 04:08pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Wait till his circadian rhythm gets out of whack because he has to get up early for his kid. Oh, that's right, Gen Y will have an automated and up-to-date schedule for parenthood, job, and life.
Ah, Clay. You're so funny:-)
Posted by rennie on 07/31/2008 at 04:13pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think the best part of this whole column and the comments, all of which I find completely hilarious and so typical of Gen Y thinking it's superior to anyone else, is this comment from Aaron:
"I wonder if there will also be an epidemic of neck strain (to go along with the video game and social networking induced carpal tunnel) because of all this Gen Y navel gazing."
I think we Gen Xers are just jealous that we didn't get a chance to be as arrogant as you Gen Yers, because we didn't get to enter the workplaec as easily as you, because there were too many boomers, not leaving enough jobs for us when we left college. So while we're truly bitter at your attitude, we're also just jealous that when we held that attitude, no one gave us the platform to gaze at our own navels.
http://40-nowwhat.blogspot.com/
Posted by Carla on 07/31/2008 at 04:14pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I won't rehash all the earlier comments (although Aaron, Maggie, MichaelH: Yesyesyes).
My comment is item 2: I think there really is an age-related thing going on there. I was a total night owl until I hit 30. At that point, it was like turning off a light. Night and day difference, pun not intended. I don't think I'm alone, either.
Clay, talk to me in 10 years after you've had a kid or two, and tell me how much of a night owl you still are, okay?
Posted by Jenflex on 07/31/2008 at 04:16pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Productive at what? All your points are very true, but real productivity is about getting the right work done and doing what matters to the customer/client/business. Your productivity can be perceived as wasted time withou results that matter to others.
Posted by Dave Atkins on 07/31/2008 at 04:40pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Prove it, Clay.
Posted by Roger on 07/31/2008 at 04:42pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Very provocative post! I agree with much of what has already been said by others, and sophie really said what I would have.
As the washed up stepmom of a couple Gen Y'ers, I realize that the workplace has changed, that the contract between employer/employee has been broken, that results are what count, and that being at your desk for 8 hours does not mean you were being productive.
I also remember being smarter than all of my older coworkers! I am excited to see what Gen Y will eventually accomplish because you do have a lot going for you, despite what many would consider as the strikes against you. You are bold and intelligent. I truly hope and believe the accomplishments of Gen Y will be spectacular!
But, go easy on us old people though – keep in mind we stayed in those dead end jobs to provide you with computers, cable TV, cell phones, and all that other technology you're so comfortable with.
Now move out of my house so I can start living my life for me! *grin*
Posted by rainie on 07/31/2008 at 04:47pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
You might understand technology, but only with experience can you really get the insights into how the business world works.
A lot of times these newly minted grads come out of college thinking they know more than those before them, only to be cutoff at the knees.
A perfect example would be the dotcom heyday. There were a lot of B2B companies who were out to eliminate the middle-man. And these B2B sites based their entire business model on price. They'll match buyers and sellers over the internet and take a percentage of the transaction.
Guess what, middle-men are still around and most of these B2B's are defunct. Had they had the industry insight needed from experience, maybe they could have put a robust platform together that incorporated more than just cost savings.
As I've gotten older, I've learned to respect and admire the ingenuity of previous generations. Each has something to give.
Without the hard work of the Greatest Generation who not only endured a Great Depression, but fought WWII (and many in Korea), we wouldn't be here. To think we know better than the previous generation is arrogant and disrespectful.
Another prime example from the dotcom days, remember the "New Economy?" Everyone was going to make tons of money, customers were just going to appear and the economy would grow forever. These were new companies who did business the new way.
Guess what, when it all came crashing down, these companies laid their employees off, and many of these companies did a very bad job of treating their best asset like an asset. Many of these firms upon implosion lost sight of the human dignity of their employees. Some of these companies set up conference rooms and fired people en masse. Others laid people off by email or cell phone.
But the previous generations didn't hide their humanity behind technology. They handled issues face-to-face.
These generations were not perfect, sexual harrassment, and racism was an unfortunate part of the culture in the US. But to wholesale dismiss entire generations because you are more technically savvy is in effect repeating the arrogance of previous generations.
Posted by Jim on 07/31/2008 at 04:50pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
One of the big faults I find with GenY'ers is that while they think they are masters of technology, they're more frequently just bamboozled by smoke and mirrors.
I work in the field of design arts and media. I was lucky to do my training just before the advent of computers. As a result, I learned to *draw* first and foremost. With a pencil and paper. OMG OLD TECH!
Towards the end of my studies, computer graphics began to be more and more part of the toolkit, and I incorporated them appropriately. And over the decades since, I have taught myself HTML, CSS, Flash animation, and now video editing and post-production. Not bad for a 43 year old Luddite.
I have also observed that, in the later generations of designers, the whole process begins and ends with the computer. Most of the younger designers I have seen never even pick up a pencil. And frankly, their work suffers as a result. The basic connections that drawing makes between the hand, the eye and the brain are absolutely fundamental to the design process.
Instead, I see kids who can play with Photoshop till the cows come home, but the result still lacks the fundamentals of good design, and is frankly a swanky looking mess.
The other problem I see is not one that is confined to GenY, but seems to be strongest in that generation, is a completely uncritical approach to information. If it's on Wikipedia, it must be true. If it's on "Idol", it must be awesome.
"Awesome" is the buzz word of Generation Y. Everything is "awesome". No critique, no evaluation, just a reflexive, unthinking enthusiasm for the "awesomeness" of everything they see on Youtube.
Posted by Clownfish on 07/31/2008 at 06:31pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Gen Y has never dealt with economic uncertainty. Gen X dealt with it right out of high school + college. But we're probably coming up on some rough times –when people get laid off. And have to get crap jobs. And start rethinking all of their job hopping…
Posted by Jay on 07/31/2008 at 07:43pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
shhhhh. nobody tell clay. Gen Y – they're just the latest crop of young people to be low-man on the totem pole, bled for pennies, and pounded into something useful.
Posted by lamb on 07/31/2008 at 08:58pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Geez, I'm 26, and think Clay is full of it. I can tell you right now that at best, his description represent the so called 'go getters,' which are not as numerous as Clay would have us believe. Well, onto the points
1) That is very funny. I can tell you flat out that the majority of people I know of all ages don't know jack about technology. Yes, us young'uns may be better at using technology than those older than us, but on average most people of our generation are still clueless beyond MySpace, Google, Facebook, etc. I've actually gotten a few bewildered stares when I told some of our contemporaries that they should switch to Firefox.
4/7) Please, many of my friends hate their jobs. I'm a freelance computer programmer. I love programming, and I love the flexibility, but most of my friends aren't so lucky. I have a friend with a BS in Engineering (with a 3.6) who is currently an Assistant manager at burger chain. I have a another friend who is a bus dispatcher with his degree. Don't give me the "all of us love our jobs" routine. Most of the individuals I know, in spite of being very intelligent and hard working, do not.
6) Of course we experiment. That's what people do when they don't have any experience to utilize. I'm fairly certain other generations did the same thing until they found out what worked.
Honestly, I'm getting fed up with the generational pissing contests. Our generation does things differently because the times are different, not because we are unique and special among the stars.
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Now, for some other comments:
@Maggie: I have to agree with Katie. Many of us followed the rules and got good grades no longer have any idea as to why we did it. I was valedictorian of my high school class. When I look back at those years, I feel like I was a race horse, being driven towards a goal that wasn't my own at breakneck pace.
My parents never pushed me like that, but everyone else did. All I and my friends heard was the constant refrain that you had to do well in school to make it. We had to be competitive to make it into a good school. We had to be involved in hours of after school activities and then do hours of homework and studying, all this while our more laid back friends spent their time being young. Then, we got into the good schools, got good grades, and because of this, we were supposed to be rewarded.
We weren't. I've already recounted the story of my friends. As for me, I did well in college but went for months before I was able to land a job. I spent two years as a substitute teacher looking for work. Finally, I said to hell with it and decided to start my own business using my programming skills. These weren't skills I picked up in college. No, these were skills I picked up over time by reading books and researching on the internet, picking up not only the basics but also touching on areas of computer science and software engineering as well.
After all of this, I can't help but look back and feel like nothing but an idiot. I and many of my friends worked hard and sacrificed. We gave up a lot of our teenage years to do what were we supposed and in the end got squat. It was only by doing everything I wasn't supposed to, by learning on my own even though my training wouldn't be recognized and by opening my own business in spite of the risks that I finally did "make it." ( All I feel my experience has left me with is a desire to not suffer this sort of treadmill based lunacy again.
@Clownfish:
While it is generally the rule, I will say that neither I nor my siblings, 19 and 20, do not rely on technology in this manner. My sister is an artist who draws freehand and only uses the computer for inking. My brother barely knows how to use photoshop, but draws freehand.
I can also sadly say that I've seen this reliance on technology in other areas as well. I've seen some very nice looking websites where it was obvious the designer who coded them relied on a WYSWIG and didn't know a thing about coding. On a site I was recently contracted to program a back end for, I saw tables used for layout, inline CSS, and a large white image used to set the background. Needless to say, I am not looking forward to pulling apart the pages to use as templates.
Posted by VigilanteNighthawk on 07/31/2008 at 09:22pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
You lost me at "TXTing".
Posted by Susanne on 07/31/2008 at 09:35pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
VigilanteNighthawk, you will go far. You write and you write well, something many of your contemporaries are still learning.
I can't believe your hard work in school is all for naught. So you're not working in the field you studied. Not many people are. But what your high school and college years did was teach you discipline and perseverance. You obviously learned the fundamentals of language, writing and math. You now possess the solid foundation to go in any direction you choose.
Posted by Adunate Word & Design on 07/31/2008 at 09:59pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Imagine a large corporation with numerous project management applications, all desktops are unique, each users' choice of applications changes regularly as and when new/better ones come about, core systems and applications are fully personalised individually. Gosh, is there order in chaos?
The values of Gen X works very well at the individual level, but by it's nature not scalable.
Let's see how it is when family, children commitments and responsibilities come along.
Posted by Boon on 07/31/2008 at 10:43pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
@VigilanteNighthawk:
You're quite correct: What I should have clarified is that the trends I see in what I called the design arts and media (as distinguished from the fine arts) are prevalent in younger designers, not because they are "GenY", but because they are of the generation of designers who have been educated in an age where traditional drawing skills have discarded in favour of the whiz-bang instant gratification of high-end software.
Oh, and I'm so with you on the badly constructed website. In my experience, it's usually more cost-effective in the long run to simply rebuild such sites from the ground up.
Posted by Clownfish on 07/31/2008 at 11:00pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I've had it with this place. I'm out of here. This is really the last straw I need after a hard day of work–some ignorant 20 something punk telling me he's superior?
Look buddy, I work in the internet field, I manage a high profile internet business, and I'll tell you the 20 somethings on my team can't even think their way through a problem. If it's not written on the board or in a book or on the net, they can't create it. If they aren't told EXACTLY what needs to be done they can't seem to figure it out.
Twitter, Facebook, etc are not changing business. They are not business models. They are not changing things.
Mark Zuckerberg didn't invent facebook, he is a prop used by the venture capitalists to make it seem like it's being run by the gen yers. The person running that company is :::gasp::: a gen x/late boomer with a stellar record.
Sorry buddy, but you just lost Penelope a reader, this type of post is just too much troll baiting, not useful, not fact based information (only ONE link on the whole thing?), just your opinion. And just like buttholes, everyone's apparently got one.
This is just like in 1995 when the internet changed from really smart people to a place where anyone with $1500 and a packard bell could get on the internet and spout bulls*it.
there are plenty of other blogs with good informative and thought provoking, not troll baiting commentary, and I'm headed there.
Posted by Another Gal on 07/31/2008 at 11:52pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I always said, early to bed and early to rise gives you the same number of waking hours as late to bed and late to rise.
Posted by Dale T on 08/01/2008 at 05:45am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Folks,
This site has dumbed down to sensationalism (PT's divorce) and troll bait (this POS "article"). I'm out of here. PT, this is the type of crap your business model is built on?
Posted by mark on 08/01/2008 at 07:10am | permalink | Reply to this comment
@Jim testify brother
just cos you can push buttons on an IPhone done means you know anything about how a mobile phone works.
And I suspect the spoon feed nature of today tecnology stops people really learning stuff – ill give you an example I’me a late baby boomer or early gen X depending on how you look at it.
I took one of the first class my high school offered in programming as was in the middle tier as I’me dyslexic an got moved down a set.
In my CSE class we started with Machine language (ok a cut down training language but still proper machine code)
My first job was at a world leading RnD organisation where I would get given interesting problems like how do we get a 3d plot of the droplets from a fire sprinker system where the pattern has been captured using multiple filters and time lapse photography and shots of variable focal length to get the Z axis information
Had to work that one out from almost first principals with the enginner whose project it was and then write the low-level interfacing code to the A0 digitizer we brought and projected the images on.
Posted by Maurice on 08/01/2008 at 07:36am | permalink | Reply to this comment
This post is excellent. At least we now know that PT isn't the only one out there trying to give some "expert" advice!
Posted by Jon S on 08/01/2008 at 09:13am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Quick question: While your being so productive at getting work done are you in fact getting it done any better?
Being a IT recruiter for 20+ years (you know the career path the internet was going to wipe off the face of the planet)and the owner of my own company I learned my craft (sales) at the feet of my father and have trained many others over the years. However, the ones that truly succeeded were the ones that understood the business not necessarily all the new tools that can make us more productive. Because in my business if you can't sell it doesn't matter if you can use all the web tools in the world.
Posted by bill martineau on 08/01/2008 at 09:50am | permalink | Reply to this comment
While it is great that Gen-Y has embraced the technology of their day, I agree with a prior comment, so did past generations. Technology is great when it works but occasionally you must work without it and that's where Gen-Y may have a big problem. A previous post had a great suggestion with a slight correction. Work with a mentor to learn the non-technology stuff and help them with the tech stuff. A 50 year old isn't going to consider a 23 year old a mentor no matter what how much they know but they will be willing to help. That way everyone benefits.
Posted by Allen on 08/01/2008 at 10:00am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Let's look past the so-called content. Here's a guy who knows how to create buzz; has written and sold books. You create buzz in large part by being controversial. Truth generally has little to do with it.
Let's have a round of applause for Clay, for demonstrating how to successfully promote oneself. Not the least of which is by getting himself a guest slot on Penelope's blog, one of the current stars in the controversy and buzz-creating business. Marketers and job seekers everywhere, take note.
I have largely ignored the incendiary and non-verifiable assertions ("discussing" or "having constructive dialogue" about said assertions would again create more buzz—witness the response to this post). I say hats off to the marketing genius, who laughs all the way to the bank.
Posted by Nick Holt on 08/01/2008 at 10:03am | permalink | Reply to this comment
just notice clays comment "It’s just to say that, over time, each generation is getting progressively better at scoring well on a test that was designed to test the ability to be productive workers in this modern society. "
er mate EPIC Fail! you obvisly did not pass statistics 101 you dont grok what a fracking iq test measures do you.
Posted by Maurice on 08/01/2008 at 10:03am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I didn't know I was still in high school ("why our group is better than yours")?
Regardless of age, or 'generation', humbleness and appreciation for those that you can learn from (yikes, that may mean people who are older than you-!-) goes a long way.
Arrogance and a sense of entitlement only makes you look like a jerk, (I don't care how old, or young, you are, it's offputting at any age).
Posted by finance girl on 08/01/2008 at 10:58am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Clay,
I encourage you to explore the diversification in the Millennial generation. I am on the cusp of Gen X and the Millennial. In addition, I prepare Millennial students for success in their career trajectories. Thus far, professionals studying generations at work have only considered the middle class to upper middle class Millennial population (this would be twenty-somethings that can afford to stay current with technological trends), not the millions of Millennials that come from a less affluent socio-economic background. Class can be a beautiful equalizer in the workplace. While technology can certainly be one way to qualify the advantages of a generation, personality is personality. I find that my less affluent Millennial students tend to be more successful than my more affluent Millennial students. I say this harboring on the edge of grossly generalizing, but still. Could it be that they work hard because they have no other choice? Professional laziness is professional laziness. I think all generations share that, but I am inclined to believe that this is a trait that becoming increasingly commonplace for a certain class of Millennials. Perhaps the Millennials that had the "helicopter parents" in college are at a less of an advantage than the Millennials who did not. Again, I am connecting dots at the risk of making obscene generalizations. I think that the topic of class diversification in generations will be one that professionals will need to explore as they develop strategies to minimize all generation's challenges and maximize their strengths in the work place. Thoughts?
Posted by B on 08/01/2008 at 11:10am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Motivated, intelligent and emotionally mature people span generations. This ain't anything new. The same old claptrap gets spouted by each generation while they're in their twenties – it's a hallmark of the arrogance of youth and the voice of inexperience.
It was a good laugh though. I spotted stuff in there that I said in my twenties.
Posted by Chris on 08/01/2008 at 11:15am | permalink | Reply to this comment
There's a kinder, gentler version of Clay on The Growing Life. Based on this post, I thought he'd be the poster child for self-entitlement. While he typifies the parents of Gen Y as "washed up," he personally thanks his for teaching him how to be an unreal person. According to that particular post, we should aspire to be unreal, not real people. I guess their washed up jobs gave Clay the means and foundation for all of them to have an unreal life.
Being a money person, I was looking for some hint of his impoverished young adult life so I could make an example of him. But what I found is a pretty cool guy (who left home at 15 to start his first business), living his edition of the Secret, with a revenue stream he's grateful for (an income snowball as he calls it) and a professional life that exudes abundance. Clay's peers and Gen X could all learn something by taking note.
Posted by Queercents on 08/01/2008 at 11:40am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I just have to say a big congratulations to Clay! You may not know/remember me but we were in the same class in college…But besides that point, I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed the post.
Posted by Natalie Davidson on 08/01/2008 at 11:47am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I usually cringe when I read the "my generation is better than your generation" post, but I think you missed the biggest attribute the younger generation has…networking.
Gen Y/X seems to get more done through their peer groups and their peer groups are ever expanding. Much of this is technology driven, and I don't give anyone much credit for 'e-lationships' (# of myspace friends).
Business is, and always will be, about relationships. Technology has enabled introverts and people who don't want to kill time at happy hours the ability to connect and maitain a valuable network. This generation has certainly mastered these skills.
Posted by Rich on 08/01/2008 at 12:14pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Find ways to bridge the generation gap and get past the 'my gen' versus 'your gen' garbage.
Ageism is not cool.
Posted by TotallyConsumed on 08/01/2008 at 12:22pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This post seems totally inconsistent with Clay's writings in is The Growing Life blog. Over there, he seems like someone you'd root for to succeed, not someone who stirs up the pot for the sake of self-promotion.
I tend to believe Clay's heart is in the right place, but intentionally crafted this post to fit some of the themes Penelope covers (generational differences). In the process of trying to be interesting, he came off as arrogant.
Just be yourself, Clay.
Posted by Jason on 08/01/2008 at 12:25pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
@Queercents
You're right. And that's what is so disappointing about this post on PT's site. It seems completely out of character with the revolutionary, optimistic spirit Clay nourishes on his own blog.
It seems as if all PT is about is self-promotion. It that is her fundamental career advice for these young men and women of Gen Y, we can see the toxic effect it has by witnessing Clay's transmogrification.
Posted by Tom on 08/01/2008 at 12:29pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Big Thanks for this post!
Every word rings true. Enjoy reading your blog and will def look into your books.
:)
Farida
Posted by Farida on 08/01/2008 at 01:05pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm kind of getting tired of people using generation classifications to justify a particular work style. Hey, I'm and old Gen X guy but I stay on top of current technology, I read Blogs obviously, I text on my phone, my music no longer has a physical presence, I serf the web even without having a reason, I'm on Linked in, myspace, face book, and others. I even do a lot of this stuff while at work. The difference is, I actually give a shit about getting the work done and having it done when I said it would be done (always looking for more efficient methods including automation).
My point is this, I understand the stereotyping of the various generations and that is fine. However, no matter what generation you are, you have the ability care about and take pride in your work. And it is okay to want others to have a positive perception of your work ethic. A lot of these posts remind me of they way kids in high school used to act. If they sucked at sports for example, they just said, I don't need to play these stupid sports, I'm too cool anyway. Rather then taking on something they were good at, they chose to blow off potential in other areas and go smoke out back. Others might have sucked at School Work, so they just chose to be mediocre in study rather then understand what was preventing them from exceeding mediocrity. I think your intention with this Blog was to illustrate how your generation is more productive however, all you have done is demonstrated why a good portion of your generation continues down the road of Mediocrity.
I have hired many Gen Y's that are smart, hard workers, get the job done fast and efficiently, automate where possible and guess what… They show up on time, don't abuse the dress code, have a good work ethic and attitude, actually care about they way people perceive their work, and more importantly, how they are perceived as a person. These are the leaders of tomorrow. As for myself, and these hard working Gen Y's with a good work ethic, we would like to thank all you Gen Y slackers that think you have some right to live and work in your own lazy, content, mediocre style. Thanks to you, it is very easy to be successful in business today. Thank You for setting the standards so fucking low, that those of us that give a shit are easily advancing and finally getting fair compensation. Keep up the slacking!
Posted by Danny on 08/01/2008 at 02:03pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
From a dinosaur, and as an antidote to Clay's 7 points, I propose the following 7 attributes for success:
1) Communication via the direct route, formerly known as "people skills," including honesty in speaking as well as sincere listening;
2) Analysis & logic in one's own brain, prior to and apart from analysis and logic as it exists in computers;
3) Problem-solving with and without the assist of technology;
4) Global responsibility and an altruistic impulse towards global issues;
5) Ethics and ethical decision-making;
6) Ongoing efforts to see the big picture;
7) Humility as we begin to perceive the big picture over a long lifetime.
CAK
Posted by chris on 08/01/2008 at 02:11pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
To all the insightful folk who have responded so far, I am surprised that no one noted that this appears to be the content of the negative ads put out by McCain v Obama. Does anyone else see an application here?
CAK
Posted by chris on 08/01/2008 at 02:15pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Ahh to be twenty and know everything again…
Posted by Charles on 08/01/2008 at 02:42pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
"We’re much more likely to love our jobs"
and the next line is…
"Since Generation Y switches jobs much more frequently"
Where is the love here? Why switch.
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“how can technology make this task go faster?”
and the next line is…
"Sometimes our efforts to employ technology make things more complicated…"
At least we can have complication at a more productive rate.
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"cares more about getting new experiences and learning new skills…"
"might not result in quantifiable productivity…"
"leads to the kind of shifts in thinking that save time and money…"
Are these skills productive or not?
Some very contradictory ideas here.
Generation X and the generation before that created the iPods that Generation Y are lapping up.
If owning an iPod and PDA makes you feel important, productive and like you know it all – more power to you.
In their natural habitat the Gen Y'er can often be seen TXTing in their cubicles, taking breaks, and instant messaging. Known for rolling into work late while wearing head phones, because they took the bus…everyday is tattoo and designer jeans day!
Clay I think you got suckered by pop culture created by Gen X.
Keep consuming baby!
Posted by Jordan on 08/01/2008 at 03:05pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Most Gen Xers could probably dig ditch faster than I would, or run faster, or party harder (well probably not party harder) but I think I get my point.
Certain attributes diminish with age, others become better honed. That's life now and in the future when your kids think you are ready for blue hair and a permanent vacation in a Florida retirement facility at 40:)
Your way of saying this though has alot of undies in a bunch but it is a universal truth. The young are quick, but with age (should) comes wisdom.
Keep writing kid, you have a bright future
My old 2cents worth:)
Posted by Dale on 08/01/2008 at 03:40pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Clay writes: "…we’re not afraid to rely on nearly-free, online productivity tools from unknown companies…"
@boon
Yes! My first thought was, "oh my god, think of the security risks of having some unknown company maintaining all of your project data! And how will teams share data?"
Anyway, I am on the cusp of X&Y myself (more Y than X) and I think this is a lot of BS. In the surface, I agree that yes, I am probably more productive than my older counterparts, in terms of output. But I am in no way more productive in terms of success. My boss (cusp of X & boomer) has 20 years on me and there is no tool or training in the world that is equal to an additional 20 years of life/work experience. He can solve problems in five minutes that I've been mulling over and researching for a week. Productivity doesn't matter too much when all you can claim is that you're fast.
Posted by Lauren on 08/01/2008 at 03:50pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Charming. The irony of "The Growing Life" is not lost on me.
Posted by Judi in Boston on 08/01/2008 at 04:11pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks for this! I am SO tired of hearing boomers and X-ers wax on about how underrated/arrogant/silly/unengaged our generation is. It’s insulting and untrue and I’m sick to death of it. It seems like every time I have a conversation with an older person about the future of work/politics/economics –whatever- it turns into them giving me a million reasons why "nothing will ever change–you'll see. You’ll be just as cynical as we are one day, so there’s no use trying." I am so over it.
Clay, thanks for pointing out how we might actually get stuff done. Really. Good work!
p.s. Clay’s post was about how much more *productive* we are; not how much "better" we are. It seems that certain commenters are protesting waaaay too much.
Also, in order to analyze these things some generalizations are necessary. Of COURSE not every twenty-something knows a lot about technology, and not every boomer is ignorant about it. But the data suggests that the twenty-something is more likely to know about technology than the boomer.
Being angry about it doesn’t make it any less true.
Posted by Jennifer Lynn on 08/01/2008 at 04:12pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Jennifer, the irony of your post is superb.
Posted by Roger on 08/01/2008 at 05:31pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Sounds like you're describing Generation X to me. Who invented all these tools you're describing?
All of this is missing the point anyway. As Penelope constantly writes, your interpersonal skills are far more important than your productivity and how good you are at the technical side of your job. Strolling into work late, wearing headphones and texting from your cubicle might not stop you doing your job well but it's all about perception.
Intrigued by Ashe's comment about working 8-5. Surely an 8am start isn't normal? Back in Australia we used to talk about the 9-5 and in the UK a 9.30am start is quite usual. I'm not sure where the extra hour came from – it's meant to be an 8 hour working day after all.
Posted by Caitlin on 08/01/2008 at 06:53pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, these Twenty-Something posts are getting a bit repetitive. This is the first one for a while, but those of us who are longterm readers have read this all before. It's a different byline but it's the essentially the same post – and it's attracting the same old comments too.
There are so many interesting things a 20-something could write about in regards to their experience in the workforce. I don't want to read about what makes their generation different or special – they can tell me that 20 years from now. But I would like to hear about the experience of a college graduate job hunting, their experiences in their first job, how they manage their careers a few years down the track when they're starting to go for midlevel positions and decide what they want to focus on.
But you know what? I would also like to hear from women dealing with maternity leave and childcare, the workplace experience of minorities (beyond anti-Christmas flame bait), how older people deal with retrenchment, how people retire earlyor work beyond retirement. I would like to hear real, specific stories that may or may not illustrate a wider trend, not just generalisations.
I would also like to hear about different types of jobs. Reading this blog, you'd be forgiven for thinking the only two options are corporate office job v entrepreneurship. How does one get to be a photographer or an opera singer? What's it like being a tour guide or a teacher or a farmer?
The generation stuff was a vein of gold for you but it's been exhausted and it's time to dig deeper and give us something new.
I'm really enjoying your posts lately by the way – the more narrative writing style works for me.
Posted by Caitlin on 08/01/2008 at 07:11pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
You are loosing readers by writing in such an arrogant tone. I admire your obvious creativity and intelligence and I always read your blog in hopes of finding some nugget of inspiration. But lately I've been very disappointed by the lack of depth in your writing and research. This post in particular is just a simple insult to the hard working previous generations. I agree with some of your observations about the acceptance of technology in gen-y. But any gen-y who thinks they can produce more value to the corporate world than a more experienced worker is just a fool. Like the Bible says, "humility is before honor."
Posted by Bryan on 08/01/2008 at 11:13pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Gen Y invented sex, too.
Why does every generation think they're the original rebels and new thinkers?
I was sure WE were…Boomers sucked, Gen Jones knew better, but then Xers came, etc…
Nothing new, Junior. Hang in there though…You'll read/hear/see/telepathically input the same idea in a few years…
Posted by Michael on 08/02/2008 at 12:35am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Clay, that was an interesting post. Thank you for that. Now get me a cup of coffee. And make it snappy! Don't stall for time with Starbucks wireless service.
Posted by October Regret on 08/02/2008 at 01:17pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think these are ideas that everyone should take on board to achieve a better balance….not just gen y.
Posted by Chris Bauman on 08/02/2008 at 09:33pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
PS – I think gen x is starting to take a lot of these ideas on, however it has just taken them longer to do it.
Posted by Chris Bauman on 08/02/2008 at 09:35pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
My goodness! Such rancor among the generations. All right, kids, I'm a 40yo single mom of 2. The LOST generation. The one no one ever talks about. The kids of the early Boomers. And IMHO, y'all all need to take a deep breath and stop flinging poo at each other.
I taught myself BASIC in the early 1980s, and added Pascal, MLX/machine language, and Fortran in high school, and went on to college-level BASIC and Advanced BASIC. I was the first person in the history of my college to tutor a computer class at the same time I was taking it — couldn't skip the core courses, even if you could pass the final on day one. I developed computer systems and protocols at the first three jobs I had after graduation from college.
You know when I got behind on technology? When I started raising the next generation. When you shift your focus from keeping up with your peers to keeping up with your kids, your life changes. It's inevitable. Even after I re-entered the work-force, I didn't have the time to devote to learning like I did when I was young. But I fit in as much as I can, when I can.
Now as for the generational pissing contest, EVERY generation that has ever been, or ever will be, is different than the preceding ones. The world changes, and the generations change with it. Knowledge is lost as new knowledge is generated. My kids don't know what an LP is … I grew up listening to 45s and 78s on a pint-size turntable. My baby brother doesn't remember a time when there weren't CDs; I remember 8-track. I drive a car all the time; my grandmother remembers when a car was a novelty, and only rich people had them.
Get over the differences already, and celebrate the similarities. We all want to get ahead. We all want to raise our kids to have more, do more, and be better than ourselves. It's just the definitions that change as the technology and the world change.
Posted by editormum on 08/03/2008 at 10:15am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm a 35-year-old parent who's tech-savvy. I don't take offense to your comments, but instead I just shake my head and remind myself how thankful I am that all the stuff I wrote in my early 20s isn't online! It would be so embarrassing to look at now. People are so arrogant when they're young. The trick is growing older & wiser while keeping your youthful spirit and shedding the pretentiousness.
By the way, was it your generation that invented all this technology?
Posted by JT on 08/03/2008 at 06:15pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
PT,
Thanks for sharing this article. This helps shed some light on how "Gen Y" thinks as I mentor quite a few of these individuals. I do see a gap between generations as I fall into Generation X. I do see a lack of respect for the other generations as they have paved the way for us.
Well, I guess every generation feels they are better than the other. This will always be an ongoing battle.
Posted by Reggie Waller on 08/03/2008 at 07:34pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Every generation has good points, and every generation thinks they are better than the one before. Too bad so many of you still live in your parents' homes. I think that's going to come back to bite you in the long run. Life is short. Get out there on your own.
Posted by Quillity on 08/03/2008 at 07:44pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
That's seven good reasons
Posted by Quasar9 on 08/04/2008 at 08:34am | permalink | Reply to this comment
@ Editormum:
"..I’m a 40yo single mom of 2. The LOST generation. The one no one ever talks about."
Actually you will find that yours is Generation X, which is not where all this labelling business started but where it started getting traction. :-)
Posted by Shefaly on 08/04/2008 at 08:44am | permalink | Reply to this comment
right on, editormum!
Posted by prklypr on 08/04/2008 at 08:54am | permalink | Reply to this comment
@VigilanteNighthawk and Katie–thanks a lot for your responses–you totally validate my suspicions about all the teen "gunners" with their million activities and GT courses. I always say that by the time one of these kids graduates from college or grad school, they'll be so burnt out they'll be ready for retirement and not at all up for the careers they were presumably busting their asses for.
There should be a blog or book geared towards these overachieving teens (probably are already some, I'm sure) telling them how it is once the dust has settled and they've worn themselves out with academics and activities. Seems to me that would be a good use of Gen-Y expertise; rather than trying to sell Gen-Xers and Boomers on why they're better, how about telling teens/undergrads to scale it back because it's not worth it in the end? I'm sure parents everywhere would hate you though ;)
Posted by Maggie on 08/04/2008 at 09:15am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Perhaps #8 should be, "We're self-aggrandizing."
Posted by francy on 08/04/2008 at 09:51am | permalink | Reply to this comment
This post helps justify my thoughts & stereotypes of Gen Yers.
1) they are know-it-alls who can't listen to advice
2) They have little big picture perspective of the real world since they are the first generation that didn't keep score in sports & stayed inside on the computer during the summer instead of being out in neighborhood playing with other kids.
3) They are not team players & damage morale of the staff by coming in late & playing by their own rules.
This attitude that "your boss is out to screw you so screw him first" attitude is damaging to a career. I'll give Gen Yers credit only for knowing new technology but any intelligent Gen Xer or baby boomer can be trained.
Posted by Neil C on 08/04/2008 at 09:53am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I actually hope that what you say is accurate, despite the arrogance of it. If Gen Y really is as "productive" as you claim, then could you "pls" fix the housing market, gas prices, and malfunctioning voting booths? "k thx"
Posted by David Smith on 08/04/2008 at 10:58am | permalink | Reply to this comment
As someone who's about as Gen-Y as she can get (I'm 25, a recent MA graduate with an exciting and shiny new job, and I live in Williamsburg, Brooklyn… let's just skip right past all the skinny jeans jokes), I will concede that Clay's tone is far too arrogant. It's completely pointless to get where you're going without remembering where you've been, and I think that's the biggest mistake Clay makes in this post. It's a shame if his attitude is accepted as typical of my generation, because the truth is there are a lot of bright, sensitive, open-minded youngsters roaming the world. We see our parents not as "washed up" but as brilliant thinkers. As trailblazers. Sure, we think it's funny when their text messages come to us signed "Love, Dad", but we also know our moms can do long division in their heads while we can barely divide up a bar tab without our handy tip calculators. I can type a hundred words a minute and find anything on the internet in ten seconds flat, but come on, my dad went to Woodstock. We get it. We're young, but we weren't born yesterday.
We're the generation that was raised to believe there is no "better" and "worse" – only "different" – but it seems to me that the people here bickering over which generation gets the gold star are the ones who beat that ideal into our heads in the first place. So let's all pretend we're grownups for a minute and face what's right about Clay's post: today's twentysomethings are the current crop of people who are "old enough to know and young enough not to say no", as a song says. We're smart, we're ambitious, and we're relatively burden-free. This is our time, so get used to it. Give us our due, because you all know perfectly well how quickly it'll be over.
Posted by Lindsey on 08/04/2008 at 11:05am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Very intelligently put Lindsey.
Do you blog anywhere?:)
Posted by Dale on 08/04/2008 at 12:58pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Not Being An Asshole Boss May Boost Employee Morale
WAUKEGAN, IL — In what is being called a breakthrough discovery in worker-administrator relations, a study released Monday in the Journal Of Occupational Science found that not being a total asshole supervisor may be linked to improved worker spirit. "In nearly every trial, we found staff morale runs considerably higher when bosses don't read workers' e-mail over their shoulders, complain about their superior salaries, or act in any way like giant, self- centered assholes," said Erica Gorochow, one of the study's researchers. "Similarly, we found that typical dick manager phrases like 'I don't disagree' can weaken worker disposition by as much as 63 percent." Although the study's findings have already sent shock waves through the business community, Gorochow warned that some of the results may have been compromised, as the bitch lead researcher was breathing down her neck the whole time.
Posted by The Onion on 08/04/2008 at 01:03pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Yep, I'd agree with a lot of comments up there – the points of this post is an admirable one, but the tone shoots it in the foot. No need to be sniffy about "the opposition" (whose shoulders you're standing on).
Getting past the tone, the points are very stimulating and worthy of heaps of discussion (I see that's taken place. More fool me for missing out on it until now).
There's one thing that need definition, though: productivity.
Gen Y is absolutely blindingly brilliant at multitasking a social-networking and having a squillion balls in the air. But I'd argue that this way of working can foster superficiality, a skimming of the surface because you simply don't have time – a lack of depth. There's one plus about 'going through the motions' (perhaps the only one) and it's that sometimes, it's the only way to get real deep into something. If your attention span is become goldfishized by the mental traps of multitasking, you might give up before you get anywhere useful. Sometimes there are short cuts – but are they useful, better ways….or are they *short cuts*?
Productivity is volume, not width.
Posted by Mikeachim on 08/04/2008 at 07:53pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
@The Onion — awesome!
Posted by junger on 08/04/2008 at 08:08pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm replying to this post for a second time, just to help get Clay up to 100 responses. I posted early in the game, then left the topic because, after all, we're starting to all say the same thing. But I came back to it today out of curiosity.
As I read postings, I'm reminded of how the media portrays Gen Y and how, as a parent of 20-yr-olds, I find it irritating. The media focuses on Gen Y's inability to grow up and settle down. Yet when I look at my children, their friends and other people their age, I see some pretty phenomenal people.
No, they haven't settled down in the sense we did at their age. They are constantly switching jobs and they're not getting married or having kids. Who cares? As long as they're taking care of themselves and don't expect me to finance them.
My kids and their friends have traveled the world over. They have done humanitarian projects, joined the Peace Corp and done pro-bono work. But credit goes both ways. Yes, Gen Y are adventurous and noble people but they also have grown up in a world connected by technology, making it smaller and more accessible than it ever has been. They also grew up with the encouragement of their parents to do these things, whereas my generation was encouraged to "go out and get a job…"
Finally, here's one factor we haven't covered at all regarding Gen Y: The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Yes, Gen X is fighting the war. And yes, probably there are still Gen Jones and Baby Boomers fighting. But it's Gen Y that's going over as young 19-20 yr and doing a majority of the dirty work. They are a whole generation of people that have lost limbs and will suffer a lifetime of emotional baggage. That baggage will carry over into their children's lives.
Editormum was right on when she said each generation is different than its predecessors. If they weren't, society would not be evolving. Eh, each generation evolves as it ages, does it not? And yes, as editormom said, we should stop the pissing contest because for each difference we have, we can also find a similarity.
We should be the first era of generations to get along and work well together – it's very likely we'll be in the workforce with each other for quite a long time.
Posted by sophie on 08/04/2008 at 10:38pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
You may be younger and more productive, but I'm older and sneakier. If it's generation warfare you want, bring it on!
(said with tongue planted firmly in cheek, a characteristic that ages well)
Posted by Curmudgeon on 08/05/2008 at 08:48am | permalink | Reply to this comment
As much as I found this post irritating in its arrogance (kiddo, you haven't HAD the problems and losses to overcome yet – the ones that make you a strong and better person – but they come to everyone so you will, and check back in then on your awesomeness) I guess I'm a little bit Gen Y too at 38. I roll in (to my flexible hours professional job) when I do, because I know better than the older guys where the tools are and I get better work done faster. While dressing in a businessy way that still lets them know "I am not you." I won't say anything about loving my job, since that changes day by day, but I'm sure not going to be one of those sad, pathetic figures who thinks that showing up at 8 am and conforming are they keys to success. Conformity is death.
I've never thought of my late 60s parents as washed up, but I find it profoundly sad and disturbing when the 50s/60s colleagues of my Dad or my self (for example, the 58 year old down the hall who had to take 1 week sick time post-op) cannot seem to find life or meaning outside of work. Their identities WERE IBM-man, or General Motors-man, or Exxon-man, or Shearman & Sterling-man, and they seem lost and miserable when retired or forced to stay home after a bypass. There is so much of value and interest in this world, so very little of it at those jobs, how sad that they have it all backwards.
Posted by MJ on 08/05/2008 at 10:43am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I must say that your first mistake was in opening your mouth. Your lack of respect for yourself and others shows! I must be ancient in your mind but I must tell you that I have worked for supervisors with your mindset and the lack of respect they showed for their subordinates was shocking. I am one of those people that was required to work long and hard just to make the new "fresh out of college" department supervisor "look good". I was responsible for all tasks in my department while my new supervisor spent hours on the phone with her sister-in-law (actually timed one phone call at 2 hours)when she wasn't using new technology to browse the web for recipes, furniture, clothing and real estate. No lie! The girl could not spell worth crap! Not even with spell check! Wanted to know if "pallet" was spelled with one "L" or two. During our wonderful weekly meetings this aforesaid "sup" took credit for everything that I had accomplished. I quit giving her any info that she could use in these meetings. The department manager actually came to me and told me that it was my job to "make her look good". I asked him to put it in writing. He did. I will not even begin to tell you the times that I had to cover for the "Y's" when they wanted to spend a long weekend at the lake or to go bowling.
It has been pretty much the same story since the "Y's" have gotten it into their heads that technology has somehow made them superior. Nothing can replace hard work and respect for yourself and others.
Posted by Stephanie on 08/05/2008 at 11:39am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Anyone else here besides me think Penelope is hot? I love the way you get people going. I assume you pre-read your guest blog posts and you were probably laughing with excitement when you thought about posting this one. Anyway, with all the negative feedback you get and keep right on growing strong, I admire you. No, I love you, run away with me you beautiful Firecracker of an Angel!!!! LOL
Posted by Danny on 08/05/2008 at 11:55am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Sorry–I forget who's comment this was: "As long as they’re taking care of themselves and don’t expect me to finance them."–there's the rub. Read a handful of the blogs on this site and I bet you'll find a decent number of them are living at home and/or otherwise still supported by their parents.
Here's my response to this post: http://motherwhatnowredux.blogspot.com/2008/08/you-want-career-advice-look-no-further.html
Posted by Maggie on 08/05/2008 at 12:07pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I apologize for referencing the "Y" thing. I suppose that I should refer to specific incident and person (s). Hope's post about up-dated skills is so true, lol. I needed the laugh. I just want to say that when all is said and done…your subordinates can make you or break you. A manager or supervisor is only as good as his subordinates allow him to be. One mistake on the part of someone he needs to "make him look good" can certainly be the nail in the coffin.
Posted by Stephanie on 08/05/2008 at 12:13pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Isn't technology wonderful? Has anyone noticed that these posts are out of sequence? My posts were "I must say that your first mistake was" and "I apologize for". I do not believe that I have ever refered to anyone as a "Firecracker" or an "Angel". let me see…..
Stephanie
Posted by Stephanie on 08/05/2008 at 12:19pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Interesting take, Sophie. And your post reminded me why Clay's was so irritating. He didn't mention the 150,000 families fighting overseas (most of them Gen Y) because for his part of the Gen Y cohort, they don't exist. Sadly, for most of America they don't exist. Instead of making a group sacrifice, the rest of us were told to go shopping, increase our debt, buy a bigger house. It's why the majority of Gen Y (online) come off as superficial twits because that is our culture turned them out to be.
But for the 67% of Gen Y who didn't get a college degree and who have tough jobs (including the military), life isn't rolling out of bed in the afternoon and spending the day in front of a screen typing to the world how marvelous you are. The story in today's LA Times about the 22 year old soldier not wanting to fall asleep because he fears the nightmares he knows will descend on him is not a perspective you will see on Clay's blog or the very similar equivilants foundthroughout cyberspace).
Posted by Aaron on 08/05/2008 at 12:39pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Ack. And look at what's happened.
The tone has polarized nearly everyone. It's Gen X/other vs. Gen Y. And the more polarized people get, the more backed into a corner they feel, the more they lose that useful middle ground where things can be thrashed out without all that shouting. :)
Hands up who has traits of *all* generations under discussion? Nearly everyone? So much for generalisms, then. We're not mutually exclusive.
So, going back to the points themselves -
Point 3. I know that the evidence suggests that many people are the genetically-determined chronotype "night owl".
But wouldn't you agree that because of the slightly-longer-than-a-full-day circadian rhythm, it's easy to fall into a habit of getting up slightly later and slightly later that *is* undiscipline, or even laziness? Fine if you're genuinely a night owl, but for the vast majority of the population who fall between extremes, isn't sleeping-in a slippery slope?
Posted by Mikeachim on 08/05/2008 at 01:49pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
So I'm guessing you wouldn't be interested in an "Old-Timers' Day" at work?
http://tinyurl.com/6r8usn
Posted by Andrew G.R. on 08/05/2008 at 02:29pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This is an amusing reply from Clay:
"It should also be noted, however, that there is a LARGE pool of data in the psychological literature showing steady in robust increases in IQs in the general population over time. The generation under me will, as a population, score higher than my generation, etc.
That’s not to say that we’re smarter."
I'm glad you didn't say that to make previous generations feel horrible. That would have been really obnoxious of you!
Posted by Clarice on 08/05/2008 at 02:30pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Dude, you had me until the "washed-up parents" comment.
People who have a compelling, powerful point to make usually don't have to be cruel about it, Clay. For example, Penelope is frequently blunt. But it's an economy of words, never cruelty.
I think one important oversight in your analysis is that Gen Y workers are frequently working with other Gen Y workers. ANY time you have ANY group of workers with similar approaches, analytical styles, and work ethics, you are more likely to have a better, more productive work environment.
I agree with Mikeachim that productivity is not simply hitting all of your marks. Work is not a game of Tag; some things require more in-depth analysis.
I am, at 39, fossilized and ancient to a Gen Y'er, but I have also always had the ability of recognizing gaps or deficiencies in plans and in the "big picture". You can only do that when you go deep and really understand what's happening.
Unfortunately, the bright things Clay has said here are drowned out by a tone that sounds like the road rage-a-holic's complaint about traffic: "It wouldn't be so slow and inefficient if all of these slow, old people would just get out of MY way!"
Posted by Patrick on 08/05/2008 at 03:09pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Forgot to mention:
In the face of the assumption that Gen Y is strictly an age thing….
http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/06/25/what-generation-are-you-part-of-really-take-this-test/
Posted by Mikeachim on 08/05/2008 at 04:37pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
From my experience in working with a variety of 20-somethings, I have to agree with your list. Reason #4 is key. Workers that enjoy their work are motivated intrinsically. And, as a business owner, that's a welcome trait in any employee!
Posted by Ellen Hart on 08/06/2008 at 01:35pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
You forgot reason #8 – don’t have kids yet.
I’d love to sleep in too, but I have to leave the office by 4:30 in order to pick my kids up before day care closes and so I can get home at a reasonable hour and enjoy my kids and my husband before we all have to go to bed.
I’d also like to be more geek-y than I am, but refernce #8. Six years ago when my son was born my computer at home was on its last legs. I got a new computer when my son was about six months old. I was able to open the box at 10pm the day it arrived to look at it. Then I closed the box and didn't have the time to get it up and running for two more days. Prior to having kids, I would have snuck out of work early on the day a new toy arrived and would have been fiddling with it for hours and hours before 10pm.
But you know what I was doing? I was raising the next generation – you know the ones that will write articles about how much, much more productive they are than those old fuddy-duddies, Generation Y. I'm teaching my kids that everyone has value and different points of view are to be appreciated, so hopefully the article won't be from them. But, if my son or daughter wants to write a post like this twenty years from now (when you’ll be in your forties or fifties – ohmy!), I’ll try to put in a good word for you guys.
Posted by Sherri on 08/06/2008 at 01:51pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
"Yes, Gen X is fighting the war. And yes, probably there are still Gen Jones and Baby Boomers fighting. But it’s Gen Y that’s going over as young 19-20 yr and doing a majority of the dirty work. They are a whole generation of people that have lost limbs and will suffer a lifetime of emotional baggage. That baggage will carry over into their children’s lives."
And how is this any different from when my father came out of the interment camps to fight WW2 in Italy and France? How is this different from me and my friends who went to Vietnam, and only I came back alive?
"The story in today’s LA Times about the 22 year old soldier not wanting to fall asleep because he fears the nightmares he knows will descend on him is not a perspective you will see on Clay’s blog or the very similar equivilants foundthroughout cyberspace."
My father still has nightmares of fighting in France and Korea, and I still have mine from Vietnam. They never goes away, but they do become more muted by the passage of time.
The veterans' support group I've been a part of for the past 2 decades, is taking the point on welcoming home the vets of Iraq and Afghanistan. We do our best to give them a safe environment where they can talk about their fears and nightmares, and we do our best to impart our hard earned wisdom, whether it be on navigating the VA bureauacracy, how to tell one's spouse what you've seen and done, to helping them find vet-friendly workplaces.
How could we not? These are our sons, daughters, nephews, nieces, and the neighbor kids. We owe them at least that much.
Posted by jrandom42 on 08/06/2008 at 03:52pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I was the 3rd to post – way back on July 31. There are now 115 posts.
Great recent posts by Aaron and jrandom42 and the lack of a shared sacrifice for the war in Iraq and the Vets from prior wars stepping up to care for the returning Iraq war Vets.
When are we going to act like we realize that we're all in the same boat and focus on what we have in common and can achieve together as opposed to touting how one group of us is so much better than the rest.
Isn't that what we dislike in our politicians – the way they try to make themselves look good by making their opponents look bad?
If we're going to move forward, we can't act like this is a zero sum game.
Let's focus on what each of us has to offer and what we can do to help each other.
Posted by Joe Wehr on 08/06/2008 at 05:03pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
It's the washed up parents bit that got me – provocative. I am 49 – so a baby boomer! But my youngest is 12 and my oldest is 24 years old.
As a single mum I have to work – I am lucky to work for myself. But, I still have to be up early to get the kids to school – wish my circadian rhythm had an answer to that one!
I'd love to be able to change jobs at the drop of a hat but when do I have the time to look for another job (I love my job by the way and I am paid accordingly – why would I leave?) and I wouldn't have the handy cash to help my gen y as she enjoys her job changes and purchases the latest equipment/technology.
Gen Y are lucky that their washed out parents are still stable and secure enough to help them out at these times. In my case, the buck stops with me!
So, I am hoping that the gen y person who wrote this post has a great sense of humour and that it wasn't really a serious post. My beautiful gen y children are having a great life and that is what I want for them. And we all get together and celebrate our lives; we don't pick on the differences.
– Supporting the emergence of an environmentally sustainable, spiritually fulfilling and socially just human presence on the planet as the guiding principle of our time.
Posted by Anna on 08/07/2008 at 07:37am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I have followed the Gen Y topics for about a year now. Here are a few additional thoughts:
Clay your washed up parents held jobs (they hated? OK) in order to feed you and provide for you. It may not have been what they wanted to do, but they did it out of necessity and there is nobility in that – that is character building and somthing to be respected – by you.
When I read about Gen Y – it’s usually because they are blogging comparisons between them and other generations. Not the other way around. Hmmmm….
Clearly all Gen Y's "positive attributes" are being buried by the arrogant, unsubstantiated mediums through which they are delivered. That is Gen Y's responsibility for sure.
Talent or technological expertise is wasted if it’s not grounded in virtue. Humility, patience, diplomacy, kindness, wisdom etc….Yes teenagers and young adults can be ignorantly arrogant but they can be equally virtuous as well.
Why don't we see more virtue? Well, Gen Y did not raise themselves. Perhaps we older generations need to assume more responsibility for any lack of virtue in Gen Y.
Posted by Mary Elizabeth Bradford on 08/07/2008 at 08:11am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Alternatively you could title this "Seven Reasons Gen Y has a LOT to learn by 30."
Trust me, when I was fresh out of school, I thought I knew EVERYTHING – how to be more productive, how to do things better and faster than the people who'd been there for years, and I was there to bring it all around and make a big difference.
And it took time, but now at 30 I truly see that I did not know even a tenth of what I thought I knew at 22. With a little experience and time I've learned that I am not better, smarter, faster, but I am me – unique and with my own perspective. Everyone has their perspective and the thing that gets you the absolute farthest in life is recognizing the value EVERYONE brings to the table and working together.
The sooner Clay and his like get over the need to have a banging contest over why they're superior to everyone else and recognize they didn't get where they are on their own, the better off they'll be in the workforce.
Although I guess it explains the fresh out of college kids who complain about $32k a year and full benefits because "I don't get an office" and "I have to be here at 8?"
Posted by Kelly O on 08/07/2008 at 10:38am | permalink | Reply to this comment
"At 18, I thought my parents were washed-up, obsolete and totally out of it. By the time I turned 27, I was shocked at how smart, clever and ingenious they had gotten in that time."
Posted by jrandom42 on 08/07/2008 at 03:16pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
In response to the post copied below about managing to results, not appearance, I wanted to make a couple of points. You'll do better having both the appearance and results of productivity, especially in a down economy. Managers invariably ask how much productivity is being lost to all those non-productive activities, and how many responsibilities of the people who don't look productive can be absorbed into other positions. Get your work done as accurately and efficiently as possible. Once you've done that, look for more work. Keep the text, chats and websites and all the other distractions to the absolute minimum until the work day is done. Don't fall into habits that companies overlook during good times that they will not tolerate during the bad times.
Posted by dewey_decimal | July 31, 2008
sorry, but….who cares? did you write this to justify all of those text messages? because regardless of how productive they may have been, you still LOOK like you’re completely wasting time with personal stuff.
and that’s not good for anyone.
* * * * * * *
I think it’s much better when managers manage results, not appearance. I’d rather work with someone who’s twice as efficient as the average employee, even if they look like they’re doing 1/4th of the work.
–Clay
Posted by dodger on 08/07/2008 at 05:37pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
@ Clay: Then you've never managed people. The point is that others resent those who don't "appear" to be working hard and being rewarded. It demotivates. Your idilic belief of who you would rather work for is irrelevant.
Posted by Joel on 08/07/2008 at 09:52pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hello? The PC has been out for awhile now. I was on the first Apple at my university in 1982. Umm, that was like 26 years ago people, and I think we all know how to use computers now, which by their nature, automate tasks (again, duh!).
It's the worshipping of youth culture that's convinced this naive author that his generation is so superior in their computer abilities. He comes from a generation of kids who were all told they were superior because they learned computers in elementary school rather than in college. So what?
Television is to blame as that's where we all learned "how someone's 5 year old was better on the computer than him". I am an advanced computer user, so it was very annoying. We all learn what we need to learn when we need it.
Oh and by the way, you guys didn't invent disgruntlement either. Again, you are getting attention to your whining because you remind them of their kids, and we have a culture of parent servitude in this country for your generation, because we worship youth.
Posted by Andrea on 08/17/2008 at 08:14am | permalink | Reply to this comment
This is the most self serving piece of bullshit I have read on any blog in a good long time.
Are you really better than me? Really, do you believe this in your heart and soul? Did you mommy tell you how wonderful you are today.
PLEASE. Please. please. Realize every younger generations thinks they are more cleaver than the earlier ones. In the 60s they knew their music was better. They said "don't trust anyone over 30". Your self love is not real, it is a product of being young.
I am so sick and tired of these types of generational arguement posts. You know what the facts are. I mean real facts, not how you feel….
Every generation has good people. And schmucks. Sure, technology changes, and those who are exposed to it when young adopt it faster and have an easier go with it. But it does not make the "old school guy" bad or yesterday's news.
I think that everyon who reads crap like this post should stand up and cry "STOP" and not put up with it any more.
BARF.
Posted by thom singer on 08/19/2008 at 02:59pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
If this is the way Gen Y wants to think of themselves, then let pride go before the fall. There's a point at which a thoughtful and maturing person will realize why his parents/elders did what they did; until then, the child is sure that he is smarter than his elders.
Posted by Matt on 08/20/2008 at 02:02pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
So I took a look at this kid's blog. He's in his 20's, with little life experience or success, offering self-help advice!!! Now he's rebranding it to something called Finance your Freedom. Something tells me it will be more about financing his freedom :)
Posted by Aaron on 08/21/2008 at 12:39pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Reading this post reminds me of my three young sisters (in their early 20s) – too young to know that you sound smarter when you keep your mouth close.
I am a 29 year old civil engineer. Even though I am licensed by my state, I have been in the workforce long enough to know that I do not know enough. I am thankful to all my baby boomers mentors.
To me, being good around technology is just another trait for being a successful engineer. Just like the person who have been with the company 20 years and has "institutional knowledge."
I think you thread that balance right when you get the respect of your older working peers without having to tell everyone how great you are because of your youth.
Posted by Government Careerist on 08/21/2008 at 01:44pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Better tools and technology may translate into more productivity, but let's not confuse it with a good work ethic. Every generation may be more productive than the next (as someone pointed out earlier) but they're also lazier than the previous.
It took previous generations a lot of work to make life so good for you lazy little sh*ts.
Posted by praxedis on 08/22/2008 at 08:45am | permalink | Reply to this comment
As an editor, I have to say that I'm fairly distraught by the lack of writing ability and knowledge of grammar demonstrated by my Gen Y interns to date. You may be productive, but if you can't use language to explain your productivity, no one will know it. Being a writer, you seem to be the exeption rahter than the rule.
My suggestion: Perhaps your Gen Y cohorts should take some time off from TXTing to write actual thank-you notes, by hand, to someone who actually had to pay some dues and paved the way for you.
Posted by Emily on 08/22/2008 at 01:45pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Emily–I totally agree with you and once blogged about this exact thing and Penelope read it and commented on it.
http://mizzinformation.blogspot.com/2008/03/experts-new-clothes.html
Posted by Maggie on 08/22/2008 at 02:18pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I wonder if this guy's "washed-up" parents paid for his education, fed him, and put a roof over his head.
What a jerk.
Posted by Karen on 08/28/2008 at 01:05pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
When we removed instant messenger for our team of 30 Gen Y's productivity went up… a lot. Yes Gen Y's might know how to automate better and use better tools but imagine what you could achieve if you removed the pointless distractions from your day.
As for being better at your job because you switch jobs more often… I really doubt that. I don't know about what others think but considering Gen Y's move on average every 18 months, you may learn your role in that time, but it's highly unlikely you'll master your role and there's a big difference between the two.
Posted by Justin on 10/14/2008 at 05:01pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
nice entry
Posted by mr luggage on 06/07/2009 at 08:45pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
you're wrong about sleeping and waking up whenever your body tells you to..it's been proven that the brain needs at least 8 hours to rest and compensate for activity gone on through the day.this is from a study straight from the foundation for sleep as well as a study that was initiated and published regarding sleep disorders. not some hair brained california college study.a person's brain..every person's brain..needs 8 uninterupted hours of sleep once every 24 hours.i'd love to argue that with you if you have ANY other opinion.you twenty somethings that claim you get by easily on 5 and 6 hours of sleep are fooling yourselves./ also,your opinions clearly make it obvious how arrogant you are. if that attitude is typical of most 20 somethings ,heaven help us all!!!
oh and jumping from job to job is irresponsible not creative or 'open mindedness'. alot of the terms and explanations that you use are merely excuses to be irresponsible..period.
Posted by djteel on 07/19/2009 at 12:09pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I have to agree with this. Although Gen Y may seem like everyone has ADD, I think that technology has given people the tools to multitask and achieve more. Plus with Gen-y, if they don't like the job, they will leave and move elsewhere. You're less likely to get stuck with disgruntled / slothful employees.
John – Stay young, stay safe!
Posted by Safe on 12/14/2009 at 01:24am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Oh Thank God!
The twentysomethings are here to save the business world – what a relief.
Just too bad they're so ill-mannered they don't know how to pick up a phone, return a call, write a thank-you note, accept constructive criticism, or offer help to a customer; they can't spell, write freehand, communicate face-to-face, tolerate differences, dress professionally, wake up on time …but hey, who cares?
There's probably an app for that.
Posted by Slacker GenX on 03/19/2010 at 05:58pm | permalink | Reply to this comment