Brace yourself for the most thorough compendium of research I've seen about how good-looking people get more of everything. The book is Looks: Why They Matter More than You Ever Imagined, by Gordon Patzer, professor at Roosevelt University in Chicago and former dean at California State University.
It is well-documented that good-looking people make more money than everyone else. Taller men make more money than shorter men. If a woman is just 13 pounds overweight, she is penalized at work. (Hat tip: Recruiting Animal.)
We are hard-wired to treat good-looking people better and it's pretty much impossible to overcome this tendency. Patzer shows that this salary discrepancy is true even in law firms, where the partners doing the hiring are acutely aware of how illegal it is to favor good-looking people. Researchers at University of Texas, found that even mothers treat good-looking children better than average-looking ones.
Unintentionally, of course.
Before you complain about how unfair all this is, Patzer shows that good-looking people are actually better for the company's bottom line. This is because highly attractive people actually earn more money for a company than average looking people. One study in Holland, for example, showed that companies with better looking management consistently billed more hours at higher rates than companies with average looking management.
And, while good-looking executives cost a company more money (because they have higher salaries), they actually increase the bottom line so much that the unconscious premium in pay that people give to the good-looking is actually a wise investment.
So what should you do if you are not good looking?
1. Stay out of sales and management.
These areas are where tall, good-looking people have the strongest advantage in objective performance measures, according to a study by management professors Daniel Cable, of the University of North Carolina, and Timothy Judge of University of Florida. This makes sense to me because leadership is so much about charisma, and charisma is so much about looks. And it makes sense that people will buy more stuff from you if they are attracted to you. (Hence the huge industry of turning cheerleaders into salesgirls.)
2. Be honest with yourself.
The more honest we are about where looks matter a lot, the less time we'll waste doing something we probably won't excel at. (This is where women have an advantage over men because women better understand where they fall in the spectrum of good-looking.)
For example, all else being equal, a good-looking woman will negotiate better for a company than anyone else—even a good-looking man, according to research by Sara Solnick of the University of Miami and Maurice Schweitzer from Wharton. Good-looking women drive harder bargains than everyone else, and good-looking women get more concessions than anyone else. (Makes sense, right? Since these are the women in highest demand for reproducing, the genes for good looks must come with genes for having a sense of entitlement when it comes to negotiating a good deal.)
3. Get plastic surgery. Maybe.
Before you get all over me about how insane this advice is, think about this: When I was a young girl, I remember hearing women talk about if it was "okay to dye your hair." Today we don't think twice about it. No one cares if you do or don't, and many styles actually emphasize unnatural hair colors.
To be honest, I am way too scared to cut anything on myself. But still, plastic surgery makes total sense to me.
We don't flinch when we hear that Cameron Diaz got a nose job or Brad Pitt had his ears pinned. It seems like a reasonable thing to do given their profession. And look at Chelsea Clinton. She did a few changes just as she hit the adult world as a consultant at McKinsey. She's not an idiot, and she certainly does not seem obsessed by her appearance. But she realized that she was not great looking, and the plastic surgery seems to have made some improvements.
And just ten years ago, I remember talking with my friends about how gross Botox is. But my friend Sharon, who is a hairstylist in Los Angeles, says that the majority of her clients—who range from normal housewives to corporate lawyers—have had some sort of Botox injection. She says it's so mainstream in Los Angeles that it's almost a statement if you don't have it.
My editor tells me that I'm going to get killed with this post. So here is my first pre-emptive strike: This post stems from my genuine worry that I will be behind the curve. I worry that I will be philosophizing about plastic surgery while everyone else is getting it and not even thinking about it. Like Botox. Or, here's another example: Shaving off all of one's pubic hair. Gen Xers debate it and philosophize about it while I just learned from Cosmo magazine that more than 75% of women in their 20's just do it. No big deal.
Second pre-emptive strike: Every woman I know who is considering plastic surgery after having kids never ever would have considered it before that. It's a time-of-life thing more than anything else, I think.
So my prediction is that soon we will all capitulate to the undeniable evidence that we have more opportunity in life if we are better looking, and it's relatively easy to buy good looks. So we will. It will be something everyone does as they graduate from college, and not just the most rich and privileged kids. Plastic surgery will be for the go-getters and career-minded. Just you wait and see.









You'd be amazed what a simple chin implant can do.
Posted by A.J. on 04/08/2008 at 09:43am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I am a tall good looking man and I have breezed through interviews and various advancements in my career and have really climbed the latter. I have a six figure salary and have a pie job. I'm the type of guy that hates dressing up, doesn't own a hairbrush and couldn't tell you what the latest fashions are.
Since I've got the looks, my wife lays out my clothes–I walk in and am offered positions that Harvard graduates of avergae looks could only dream about.
Posted by Tim on 09/26/2009 at 03:14pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
it's "ladder," pretty boy! :-))
And Penelope, all wishful thinking aside, would you really go under a knife to look 13% better??
Posted by anna on 2010-03-16 18:38:56 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
Botox and limited plastic surgery to correct defects is one thing, but it is possible to go to far with plastic surgery, especially for older people.
Getting old is part of life, I don't understand the subculture of people that think having one's face stretched back looks good or even remotely makes one look younger. I see this occasionally in women and men. It is a definite "look", and it DOES NOT give an air of "authenticity" (an important trait for any brazen careerist).
Posted by helix on 04/08/2008 at 09:45am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Interesting. But naturally good looking people have grown up with the various entitlements bestowed upon good looking people. Surgery can't give someone that kind of experience. And good-looking people (especially women) rarely recognize how attractive they can be.
Posted by Jennifer on 04/08/2008 at 09:51am | permalink | Reply to this comment
You're kidding, right? She has good-looking parents, and she always looked lovely to me. She was a CHILD when she was in the White House. Kids go through awkward periods. But it was always clear to me she was a swan in the making.
Posted by Maureen on 07/24/2009 at 08:17am | permalink | Reply to this comment
You definitely can't blame Chelsea Clinton for having work done. She used to look like the oldest brother in Hanson. MmmBOP.
Posted by goathair on 04/08/2008 at 09:53am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
I can hardly take this seriously, sorry. But just to play along…
It would follow, then, in our skin-deep utopia-seeking, that plastic surgery will become a required hurdle in the hiring process.
This not-so-sci-fi vision will create some interesting cultural division:
1. Ugly people freelance, beautiful people climb ladders.
2. Ugly people who get plastic surgery still have bad genes. So procreation without a little gene splicing is a no no.
3. Ugly people will become the new untouchables. Oh wait, that's already true…
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Lisa, this comment is so smart and so fun. Thanks.
Penelope
Posted by Lisa Gates on 04/08/2008 at 09:54am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Will it happen – eventually maybe. But for now there's still a lot of snickering in the workplace about various – ahem – enhancements, so in the near future I think people still run the risk of not being taken so seriously. I know, you weren't necessarily talking about boob jobs, but today people are still funny about other people's displays of what could be put down as "vanity"
I read somewhere recently that some doctor now does implants on the top of people's heads to enhance their height (adding 1-2 inches) – instead of people having to wear raised soles in their shoes. for now he is mostly doing folks who have a height requirement for their jobs, but it might not be long before he's getting a lot more business. My head is already on the large side so I won't be having that done;)
Still I think it is a shame and not necessarily a healthy thing. Just think of all the kids that won't look anything like their parents; "Mum, if your nose is so pretty and Dad's too, why oh why do I have such a honker."
"Don't worry dear, we'll send you off to good old Dr. Blade before your first college applications interview."
Posted by Rupert on 04/08/2008 at 09:54am | permalink | Reply to this comment
You Rock! Thank God you're around to write about the stuff everyone else is scared to. My only comment would be that I think the secret sauce is not just in being good looking because when we meet good looking people who are either complete idiots or extremely pretentious pricks, we're turned off. However, if you meet a good looking guy or girl who is genuinely kind, sincere and humble….game over. We'll buy everything they sell and probably follow them where ever they go. I think good looking alone is not enough.
….From what I hear I think you're right about girls in their 20s and shaving.
Cheers
Posted by Seth Mattison on 04/08/2008 at 09:56am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Balls to the wall…agree or disagree, you have to admire it. And I think the 'looks are important' point is a point worth expressing, especially to those young enough to do something about it and see a real difference in their earining potential.
Even if you don't go as far as surgery, just being more conscious of looks and grooming (without going crazy) can help immensely.
I think this even helps those who didn't win the genetic lottery and aren't planning to do anything about it; sometimes just knowing reality, whether you like it or not, can help you accept it and come up with plan B (ie, stop killing yourself trying to excel in your sales job, stop beating yourself up because no one hits on you in a bar, and go find your niche in a different career and go about meeting mates in a different way). Of course there are exceptions to every rule, but in most cases at least knowing the truth can't hurt you.
Posted by J on 04/08/2008 at 09:58am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I don't disagree. Although the plastic surgery for career advancement might be more regional.
I'm wondering if the Cosmo survey can be statistically accurate of all US women in their 20's, Cosmo readers perhaps…
Posted by Jenny on 04/08/2008 at 10:01am | permalink | Reply to this comment
First, let me say, I totally admire people who are willing to say what everyone else is thinking, even if it's not the PC thing to do.
Second, shaving… I had to explain this to my 50 year old uncle last summer… even guys do it now… get with it Penelope!
Third, can I just repeat my first point? This is what makes our country great… keep writing about the truths that no one else wants to acknowledge (especially ugly people).
Posted by Sean on 04/08/2008 at 10:05am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I definitely think plastic surgery is regionalized. CA and FL seem to have a boatload of women (and probably men, but the women are more obvious) who have been "enhanced."
As for aging, two words: Joan Rivers. Don't go there. After a certain point, it's pathetic.
Posted by Hope on 04/08/2008 at 10:06am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Where are all these good looking people? Maybe they all move to NYC or LA because they aren't around here. I'm not saying people I work with are ugly, just that they're normal and don't look like they stepped out of a magazine.
Personally, I'd rather spend my money and time on something more fulfilling to me than my looks. If that means I don't climb the so-called ladder, so be it. Life can be about so much more than who's the best looking, who's the richest, who's the most successful.
I wish our culture would stop veering into this Brave New World la-la land and get back to reality. But after seeing on TV this morning that 10-year-old girls are waxing and 6-year-olds are getting pedicures, I guess I'm the one who's living in a dream world.
Posted by Shannon on 04/08/2008 at 10:14am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Frankly, I'm surprised that this is news to you. This story sounds like it's so ten years ago. You're *just now* figuring out that people are getting plastic surgery as a career move in the business world?
Posted by Briana L. on 04/08/2008 at 10:18am | permalink | Reply to this comment
__This makes sense to me because leadership is so much about charisma, and charisma is so much about looks.__
If we're talking about leadership being "the guy with the hair that lead worldcom and worked hoard to maximize shareholder value" then yes, I'd agree with you.
If we're talking about real leadership (you know, the earth-moving world-changing people-uplifting kind) then I'd have to say…
Winston Churchill
Golda Meir
Margret Thatcher
the Dalai Lama
Posted by aaron on 04/08/2008 at 10:25am | permalink | Reply to this comment
worked hoard?!! wow…that was a slip…
Posted by aaron on 04/08/2008 at 10:25am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, I didn't know whether to take you to task for such a shallow post, or to say, hallelujah, this is an issue that is eating at the women's workforce.
It's not easy being a mature worker,in the tech plantations, that means anyone over 38. for women, it must be a killer.
Posted by Alan Wilensky on 04/08/2008 at 10:27am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Fantastic topic. Of course it's easy for me to say that, since my handsome mug doesn't seem to have held me back in the business world….
More seriously, I think this is a great post because its shock value makes people realize the importance of appearance.
There is a continuum of image manipulation. People don't hesitate to get glamour shots for online dating sites; why is this acceptable when plastic surgery is not?
What about gastic bypass surgery for the overweight?
I have a friend who is a talented, smart, Harvard MBA. After having three kids, she gained a lot of weight, and her husband (a wealthy investor, also a Harvard MBA) left her.
After her kids grew up, she had gastic bypass surgery, lipo, a nose job, and breast implants. She's much happier, and doing well in work at in her personal life.
What I will say is I think that you should explore wardrobe, diet, and exercise changes first. No matter how much surgery you get, if you dress badly, eat poorly, and have no muscle tone, you're not going to look good. Conversely, a well-dressed man or woman with a phenomenal physique is going to do well. Most facial flaws can be mitigated with the right hair and accessories.
Posted by Chris Yeh on 04/08/2008 at 10:32am | permalink | Reply to this comment
PT –
While I agree that people enjoy looking at good lookers more than others I think there's an underlying assumption here that got missed:
You assume the people who are good looking have something tangible or relevant to say or sell. You can be the best looking person in a crowd of sales people but if you're an airhead and too shallow of personality to hold a conversation people will see through you in a heartbeat.
Looks only still get you so far. There's too many people out there who have a really good bullshit meter. Looks may get you in the door but if you don't have a clue you'll get kicked out just as fast as you were brought in.
Too bad there's not surgery to get people a clue.
Posted by Jerry Matthew on 04/08/2008 at 10:37am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I don't know about the plastic surgery being a good idea or not… I personally am not a fan of women who appear to have work done.
As far as good looks being beneficial in sales, that is definitely true. I started my own record label while in college and when me and my other artists would sell CDs hand-to-hand – either at school or the club, etc. I always sold more than them, and I always made the majority of my sales to women. Naturally, I would brag to the rest of the group that I sold more because all the women think I'm cute and want to sleep with me. Even though I was only playing around and kidding with my friends, I always believed there was some truth behind that. And I still do, thanks to this research, lol.
Anyway… as far as 75% of women in their twenties shaving their pubic hair – I'm actually surprised that number is that low. (I also wasn't aware that that was even an issue)
BTW, tomorrow is my birthday – I'm turning 22, and it hardly seems exciting when compared to past birthdays (16, 18, 21)… does it just go down from here?
Posted by William Peregoy on 04/08/2008 at 10:39am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thee revolution continues! Eye told you Genesis P'orridge would be a hero! He got breast implants and eye think everyone should, really — men and women.
Eye also think quoting Cosmo is stupid. Wheye do we care what shallow vapid women who live to please men think? Eye also think that having kids is stupid, so don't meyend me.
Posted by J. Liz on 04/08/2008 at 10:44am | permalink | Reply to this comment
You don't necessarily need plastic surgery. Many people can greatly improve their appearance by paying more attention to grooming – hair style, buying good clothes that fit, losing a few pounds, wearing makeup, etc.
Posted by andy on 04/08/2008 at 10:46am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Another funny post, I know am not good looking and really suspect any good looking green horn till they prove themselves, over and over.
I am extra careful and dont let good looks of someone cloud my decisions.
Posted by ralph on 04/08/2008 at 10:49am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Don't work P, you won't need to "save face" on this subject – your right.
Posted by foghornboy on 04/08/2008 at 10:52am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Plastic surgery for career enhancement is definitely regional at this point… but I do feel it’s on the horizon because celebrities have embraced it so much over the last 5-10 years. There will be a trickle down effect, and maybe in 10 more years it will actually reach the midwest. Not that I want it to, because I can’t see myself ever going under the knife either – I prefer getting away with low maintenance looks in my career.
What would be interesting about the mother/ children research is if they tested other characteristics as well. Do parents favor the children who are most like them? Children who are smarter? Children who are most athletic? I can see all of these being an indicator of why parents favor one child over another.
I was having drinks with my own father one night and he admitted that while he loves both my brother and me, I’m his favorite. My brother has already sensed this and complains to me about it all the time… but part of that is because I’m more like my father than my brother is.
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So glad that you brought this up, Monica. Because there is great reserach about parenting that didn’t fit in this post.
Patzer shows that advantages of the good-looking start the day they are born. Mothers attach more effectively to better looking babies. This is unconscious — hard-coded into our DNA to ensure the survival of the human race.
For example, researchers at the University of Texas found that mothers of good-looking babies are less likely to view the child as interfering in their lives than do mother of less attractive infants. Mothers of attractive babies play with them longer than mothers of average-looking babies. And researchers at Francis Marion University found that neonatal nurses inadvertently give better care to better looking babies; plump, healthy babies get more attention than babies with lower Apgar scores.
So there is something to consider here — which is that plastic surgery as an adult cannot make up for the self-confidence boost one gets by growing up as a good-looking kid.
-Penelope
Posted by Monica O'Brien on 04/08/2008 at 11:00am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
I love when your posts are so different than anything I'd find elsewhere. The fact that I agree or disagree has nothing to do with it – I appreciate all of your posts regardless of where I stand on each topic.
That said, I just want to point out that you've got a decent set of blogging balls.
Plastic surgery as a career must-have, didn't see that post coming.
Then the pubic hair comment.
The content in your posts is never the same old dreck. You really try to shake things up every now and then. And I love that.
Posted by apronk on 04/08/2008 at 11:02am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Not to slam you, Penelope, but your looks haven't brought you to much success, have they?
Posted by Rose on 04/08/2008 at 11:11am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penny,
It's really sad when the packaging becomes as or more important than the contents, but that day dawned long ago. Having said that, I believe that one can work around one's physical attributes, or the lack thereof, by branding one's self.
For example, everyone at my office goes to T.C. for IT help. He's developed a niche for himself as the IT guru. No one can displace him from that position because he earned it through his smarts and credibility built over time. T.C. is also 5ft 9ish and weighs about 400lbs. He uses his wit he's got a funny/sardonic sense of humor, and his integrity to engender trust and likeability. But he's done this over time.
Time is not the friend of the job applicant. In an interview it's difficult for someone to prove her or himself worthier than others, but one can provide cues to establish one's credibility as a candidate, over a better looking individual with the same qualifications.
Life is a game. And learning to play has everything to do with strategy (also known as the optimal use of one's resources).
Making a end run around the rules by having surgery is okay for some, but is in my opinion, is unnecessary for most. Like the song says, "… use what you've got to get what you want." It's really all about intelligence and reading the situation. So hold the botox and fire up the ingenuity.
Just my two cents worth.
Posted by Dale on 04/08/2008 at 11:12am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I can't imagine who's surprised by this. Plastic surgery 'features' already have their own aesthetic. You know people have had work done and it doesn't look good or bad (in most cases, hopefully), is just 'is.' We all accept and it looks normal to see people with plumped lips, pulled cheeks and no surpised facial expressions.
My next thought after reading was 'Can I use this post to justify the $145 moisturizer I've been fantisizing about?' We'll see, but for now, I'm going to rejoing my running group and make an orthodonist appointment.
Posted by Muneerah on 04/08/2008 at 11:16am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Okay now my thoughts,
1.) I still feel that the way a person carries themselves physically defines how one receives them (gracefulness, class, confidence). Above anything, these are key for a successful career. Plastic surgery and good looks alone won't advance you if your overall physical personality is less than adequate.
I think, regarding personal appearance, health plays a much bigger role than attractiveness. I imagine that the overweight have a more difficult time advancing their career versus a healthy but not so attractive person. Perhaps gastric bypass is the next career must-have?
2.) If one must resort to plastic surgery for their career, let me remind you that it is very possible that this will not help you at all if you are lacking in other career-necessary areas.
3.) Let me also remind you that it is nice to be able to move your entire face around rather than only have control of your lips *cough cough* Greta Van Susteren *cough cough*.
Posted by apronk on 04/08/2008 at 11:17am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I know you are right about attractive people being more successful, but I still don't think people should go under the knife for their careers. However, I also think you should let your garden grow.
Posted by GenerationXpert on 04/08/2008 at 11:20am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I love your Brazeness! You speak the truth and sometimes that's hard for people to hear. You are only stating the facts. It is true that tall me are promoted quicker as they are perceived by others to be leaders.
Keep the honesty coming…
Posted by Coach Phil on 04/08/2008 at 11:26am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Anyone who has set in the Doctor's office and looked at the Drug Reps would not be suprised at this post. I never realized that there were so many cheerleaders who were biology majors.
Posted by Bill on 04/08/2008 at 11:40am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Apparently the reasons for unattractive people not going far in the professional world all visit your blog (the Penelope bashers).
@bashers, Grow up folks. Attitudes like that had already grown tired back in the days of riding the elementary school bus. Have you not advanced intellectually or emotionally since then? The preceding question is obviously rhetorical, because the evident answer is a resounding "no".
Anyway I came back because I forgot to comment on the topic of shaving one's pubic assets. I honestly can't imagine anyone putting that much thought into it. It's hair people. Don't over-analyze it. Hair grows. Things go back to normal if you realize you made a mistake. Spend your valuable brain time on more important things.
I do, however, feel that every female needs to try it once. Just once. If you don't like it, don't do it again.
Spoken like a true 20-something female, eh?
Posted by apronk on 04/08/2008 at 11:40am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I've been reading your blog for several months and haven't said a word, but I can't NOT react to this one.
I agree good-looking people have advantages.
I hope you are wrong about the trend you've predicted. Plastic surgery helps if you have a schnoz or something visibly out of proportion. It can help with your confidence in such a case.
Plastic surgery will not help insecure "normal" looking people, because it will not have the positive effects on your confidence that you expect, and it's that being-comfortable-in-one's-own-skin that makes attractive people attractive in the first place. It can't be faked.
P.S. And guys who prefer the all-shaved female genitals should be dumped. I'm all for grooming, but I'm not going to look like a 5 year old.
Posted by sumayya on 04/08/2008 at 12:07pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I actually disagree slightly. I think that a very good looking woman has a disadvantage because people are jealous/ automatically assume she's a bimbo.
I think it's better to be "pleasant" looking than drop dead gorgeous. Otherwise you attract jealousy and unwanted attention.
I speak as someone who is not beautiful but can be "pleasant" looking. I've never longed to be beautiful
Posted by Vidya on 04/08/2008 at 12:18pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I agree with you in principle (pretty people have it easier in life), but I also think that there aren't that many truly ugly people around, either, just plenty who don't take care of their appearance. Have you ever watched "What Not to Wear"? Many of the people on the show look so much better at the end, and they only change their clothes, makeup, and hair. I think doing that first will probably eliminate the need for majority of plastic surgeries. I think right now preference for plastic surgery is regional (LA, FL), and is more dictated by culture rather than "need". You have to be very careful not to go overboard and end up looking like Joan Rivers. There are also many many people who prefer the natural look – my husband informed me that he'll divorce me if I ever get plastic surgery (LOL! – I'm not ugly, but not a supermodel either). As far as shaving, he prefers the "groomed" rather than the bare look. Less work for me!
Posted by IMK on 04/08/2008 at 12:23pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I agree with Dale. Genuine self-worth and identity must come from within. Whether a person is traditionally beautiful or not so attractive, it's a bad idea to tie up your sense of self with how you look. I firmly believe in working with what you've got. Every time I see a man or a woman who's obviously had some sort of work done, my first reaction is mild sadness, not "that person is very attractive." Most of the time the person looks like an older person trying desperately to run away from his or her age–especially if you look at the neck line or hands in comparison to the shiny plastic face. Invest your money in something a little more meaningful, or at least less risky. Plastic surgery won't help with self-acceptance in the long term.
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It's interesting that you should bring up self-worth. An interesting topic, but not actually part of the post, right? The topic of this post is your worth in the market place. I mean, that's what a lot of career advice is – how to be the most valuable in the workplace, and how to have fun doing that. We are not our careers. Our careers are a part of us. Our self-worth comes from lots of different things, one of them being how much fun we have in the work we do.
Penelope
Posted by Jennie on 04/08/2008 at 12:25pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Guys, gals who spend a lot of resource grooming have a great sense of insecurity
and are inherently low on confidence, they just cant fake it for long. For perfectly normal looking people, going after a picture perfect look is not going to help them at all.
All of us are going to age and maintaining good health is way rewarding then falling for insecurity of looks which the beauty industry and, (cant make it work for you) consultants tell you all the time.
Posted by ralph on 04/08/2008 at 12:28pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
It seems that people can't have an intelligent discussion on a topic that is obviously relevent in the society we live in today. It is a fact that image and looks matter.
Plastic surgery does not mean changing your looks, only when you go to a bad plastic surgeon. What it is about is improving on your exsisting features. It also boosts your self confidence, knowing that you look your best!
Posted by Enna on 04/08/2008 at 12:32pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Having undergone plastic surgery, I know I look the best! and I am soo.. confident, Now that's intelligent.
BTY, whenever I think of FL, LA now the first thing that comes to my mind is the housing bubble.
Posted by kate on 04/08/2008 at 12:42pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Unless your picture on your header is photoshopped to all hell, I'd say you have no reason to be thinking about plastic surgery anyway. Look like a keeper to me!
On the flip side, I'm sensing this extreme push toward the "sex sells" mentality from you recently. It seems like every post you've got some pretty wild references thrown in for good measure. I know you've got the abrasive thing pinned down as your style/gimmick/whatever, but if you're as transparent in your writing as you seem to insinuate, I have to be semi-worried.
I wouldn't mind seeing you get back to the roots of the whole "useful-career-advice" thing. The whole shock-blog thing is losing me.
But what do I know. You're the one with the subscriber count out the roof, I'm sure.
Posted by Ed Borden on 04/08/2008 at 12:45pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I have been in sales for years and it is just a truth in this business. Attractive people who are in good shape make more money. If they are lucky enough to have intelligence and common sense, they usually are top producers.
This discussion reminds me of an ongoing argument I have with my mother. I can remember telling her I had started weight watchers because I made more money when I was thinner & I like to make more money. To me it is just a fact, but it made her irate. Mom felt it was grossly unfair that obese or average looking people who are smarter are paid less because of their appearance.
I am a realist & don't put any judgments to these societal truths. I am lucky enough to be good looking and have some intelligence, but I have to work hard at my weight and struggle with it regularly.
Plastic surgery never occurred to me until I had my daughter 3 years ago. Now I am starting to see the slow effects of approaching 40 with alarming speed & it is not seeming as far fetched.
Topics like these seem to spur so much emotion that I guess I shouldn't be surprised to see the angry comments. After all, it is not a "fair" premise and we often cling to fairness as a truth.
Posted by Julia Stone on 04/08/2008 at 12:51pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I met you in person at an event in Chicago, and I wouldn't change a thing if I were you.
You are way better looking than your blog picture above.
You are also in great shape.
Now as far as plastic surgery goes, I wonder if Abraham Lincoln could get elected in this day and age of fast media (internet, TV). The camera just became commercialized when hewas in office.
H. Ross Perot was a very successful sales rep for IBM. He is no Brad Pitt.
Posted by Jim Eiden on 04/08/2008 at 12:58pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
There are more ways to persuade somebody to do something for you than just relying on that person liking you. Car sales people are almost never liked yet they can get you to make what is for most people the second largest monetary purchase of their lives.
Check out the Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion by Robert Cialdini and you might add some additional arrows to your quiver.
Posted by Andrew on 04/08/2008 at 01:05pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Here's my prediction – this will be like getting a tattoo – all of the cool kids will do it, and then the next generation of kids will come along and see how foolish it is and -not- do it (preferring some unheretofore discovered way of annoying mom and dad) and some day VH-1 will show "I love the 2000's" with washed-up D-list celebs cracking wise about all of that crazy plastic surgery.
Entertainers (and make no mistake, that's exactly what PT is if she wants to keep the gardener in rubber galoshes) have a completely warped perspective on the world and it's only because of their access to mass media that the message gets passed on the those poor little 11 and 12 year old Athenas who just haven't -realized- that they're like, totally fat and they just need a little foundation to make a boy like them.
So PT would probably say, yeah but that's the world, let's embrace it in all of its perversions and eccentricities because at the end of the day what matters is how happy I can convince myself I am. Or not.
Posted by h-j-s on 04/08/2008 at 01:07pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Although this is kind of provocative, I think you're basically calling it like it is. Or will be…
I admire people that will do what it takes to succeed, but this might be a little much. But maybe it's just because I'm not used to the idea yet. Really enjoyed this post, Penelope!
Posted by Jaclyn on 04/08/2008 at 01:07pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
may be now you will write about sporting gadgets that show you care about creativity like apple products.
Posted by jake on 04/08/2008 at 01:21pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
…And look at Chelsea Clinton. She did a few changes just as she hit the adult world as a consultant at McKinsey. She’s not an idiot, and she certainly does not seem obsessed by her appearance…
That's a great example.
Posted by flint on 04/08/2008 at 01:38pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
As someone who is newly in the job market at oh my God, age 53, I can tell you that I've had to rethink sensible shoes, lose 15 lbs, snap up the wardrode (I'm so busy with this, I don't have time to even think about what needs lifting) and improve my banter. And the truth is, I'm having a lot more positive results in this job search process – sad but true, proper grooming and an updated, healthy appearance gets you further down the road.
Fair or not, you youngun's will want to keep those gym memberships current at whatever cost!
Posted by Becky Clontz on 04/08/2008 at 02:00pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Yes, Plastic Surgery is the way to go. Just ask Priscilla Presley. And boy, it's so true that Bill Gates and Steve Balmer often get confused with George Clooney.
A true sense of self-confidence is earned. You don't purchase self-confidence.
Your vision of the future is fairly bleak. It's a sad world when we promote/idealize image over substance. More and more we are moving to a society where nothing is valued more than something. Where what you say is more important than what you do. Where spin becomes truth. Where one is admired for merely being controversial–even when what that person says is silly and trite. Where being provocative is more valued than possessing wisdom.
Let us not forget that the road to hell is being paved by consultants.
Posted by Tim2 on 04/08/2008 at 02:08pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I should read this post before commenting but time is so limited so I'm not going to. I stopped reading after the first paragraph. It's not that I don't think there's some grain of truth to this (I tend to think that if the discussion exists at all, no matter how outrageous, well then it is factual, even if only marginally so). It's just, there's so so many ugly and fat men who make a lot of money and have a ton of power, that this dog just won't hunt. Sorry.
Maybe it's because I read a ton of research all day, have studied it for years, and can smell bad studies that don't meet even the most basic parameters of scientific inquiry a mile away. Or maybe it's because I find your practical career tips with a personal bent so much more compelling than these really far-reaching, meant-to-be- inflammatory posts. So, I'll just skip over it, take what I like, and leave the rest. Ta!
Posted by Joselle Palacios on 04/08/2008 at 02:32pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
A couple of posts ago you brought up anal sex, and now it's Pube Plucking for Career Success!
I can't wait to hear your opinions on the latest trend of anal bleaching (see, e.g., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_bleaching).
I'll even give you the title for that post for free: What Color Is Your Poop Chute?
Posted by Jonathan E. on 04/08/2008 at 02:39pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Great post, Penelope! There are two points I'd like to add:
1) You know someone is a great salesperson (even if that's not his/her profession) if his/her mate is much better looking. I've seen average-looking people be held in higher esteem after others meet the babe or hunk on their arms. Employers know that that person must have great sales skills – thus much more desireable – when this is the case.
2) If the sale is between two equally good looking salespeople with equal sales skills, the sale will always, ALWAYS go to the taller one. (Says the 5-9 former salesman)
- Mike
Posted by Mike Thomas on 04/08/2008 at 03:08pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I was right on track with you until I read this:
"This makes sense to me because leadership is so much about charisma, and charisma is so much about looks."
Now, for you, that may seem true, but I think that's a VERY heavy statement to write. You have missed the point completely on charisma, which is most definitely not something you can attain by getting plastic surgery. Charisma is something people have within them and can only be expressed by truly charismatic people.
Your equation is backwards, in my opinion. We VIEW charismatic people as more attractive, but that attraction is more about how that person carries themself. It's not about plastic surgery or making the outside more "pretty." That's just a cop out.
There's WAY MORE RESEARCH that PROVES that attraction and charisma is subjective and definitely reliant on how the person acts. It outnumbers the research you have to back up that "leadership is so much about charisma, and charisma is so much about looks."
I admire your candidness about this, but I think there are some things you've missed. It's a shallow representation of the work place and doesn't even take into account WHY these people are attractive, but ASSUMING that they all look like models, when, chances are… they don't.
Posted by Jamie on 04/08/2008 at 03:30pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I just have 2 words for this…Olivia Goldsmith. She died on the operating table during cosmetic surgery at 54. She was one of my favorite writers and I was blown away when I heard about her death. She had seemingly everything … numerous books, books turned into movies. One of her novels was even about plastic surgery, so she knew the problem. But I guess nothing helped her lack of self-worth.
Posted by Bobbi on 04/08/2008 at 04:37pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
It's been shown that even before infants can see clearly (their vision is very blurry for many months as they develop) they favour a good looking face. Symmetry and eyes are very telling. They are more trusting of a good looking person – which is true throughout life.
Posted by t h rive on 04/08/2008 at 04:47pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
I have to agree with your post but want to look at it from a slightly different angle. My four year old son has Down syndrome but doesn't "look" like he does. He doesn't have the typical features many people associate with Down syndrome. He is a rather cute little boy with a sweet personality. He has several classmates with Down syndrome who all exhibit greater features of DS. At the risk of offending people these other students look like Corky from Life Goes On. My point is this. My son gets more positive attention from the teachers and staff than his peers. My wife and I are convinced it is because of his looks and personality. It may not be right, but it's a fact of life.
Posted by Benjamin Strong on 04/08/2008 at 04:48pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
@h-j-s:
I cannot wait for this show!
Posted by Rachel on 04/08/2008 at 04:58pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Wow, the entertainment value of these posts just keep going up. Forget about career topics like the Wall Street Journal reporting today on how tough it is for the Class of 2008 to get a job, or writing about the increase in the unemployment rate, or how Boomers are delaying retirement and the effects that will have on Gen Y, or even writing about how tough it is for returning Iraqi War veterans to get a job; Penelope is going with Anal Sex, Pubic Hair, Plastic surgery and advocating the elimination of proper grammer/spelling.
And we love her for it! Admit it, other then some of the more nakedly ambitious Gen Y'ers who post here just to promote their unread, poorly written blogs; most of us just love the sheer entertainment value of a woman who is obviously living on the edge. From "brazen" topics to calling another woman writer "fatty" to the name changes, to the offending appearances at blog conferences and checkered, slightly altered biography; I cannot think of another more fascinating blog. Throw in all the guys with their lame flattery in the hopes she'll email them or have sex with them when she is on the road; and I say keep passing the popcorn! To be honest, I'm not sure who comes off looking the worse for it.
Regarding the plastic surgery post, I am curious about this sentence:
"My editor tells me that I’m going to get killed with this post"
Do you really have an editor for your own blog or was this a recycled post?
And I work for the government here in the OC; your LA and S. Cal references are laughable for their generalizations. It is only a small part of the society buying into the celebrity myth; usually the shallow, vain yet curiously deeply insecure part. The working poor especially have no use for it neither do the large immigrant/ethnic populations. And frankly, most normal, well-adjusted people don't have the time either.
Posted by Sidney on 04/08/2008 at 06:03pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
You imply that Penelope advocates bad spelling and poor grammar. Yet you have a spelling mistake in your reply.
"Admit it, other then some of the more nakedly ambitious…"
The "then" in the sentence above should be spelt "than". I am correct, no?
Posted by Mike on 01/29/2010 at 09:00pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
As a lawyer, I've never heard of any law which makes it "illegal" to discriminate based on good looks. Discrimination based on race, national origin, color, religion, or sex — all of these very illegal, as has been well documented. But discrimination based on ugliness? Maybe it depends on the state, but I've never heard of it. I'm not sure where Patzer is getting the information here.
Posted by Dave on 04/08/2008 at 06:14pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Generally, employers are free to set dress codes and appearance standards, including requiring a "professional" look. And courts around the country have said companies can set different rules for men and women about hair length, jewelry, and clothing.
There are some limits, of course. Michigan has a statute barring discrimination based on height and weight, for instance. Obesity is considered a disability in several other states. The regulations implementing the Americans with Disabilities Act say employers can't refuse to hire qualified workers who have conditions that do not interfere with their ability to do their jobs, such as medical conditions that periodically cause some involuntary movements, skin pigmentation problems, harelips or other facial disfigurements. Fear of customer or co-worker reaction is simply not a legitimate business reason. (29 C.F.R. 1630.16)
A good rule of thumb is if the appearance is a result of personal choice, such as a tattoo, piercing, hair color, slovenliness, then you can choose not to hire that person. If it is something beyond their control like a birth defect, that should not be held against them. To be safe, assume obesity falls into the latter category.
Posted by Ann Kiernan on 04/08/2008 at 06:18pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Do. Not. Read. Cosmo.
Posted by HR Wench on 04/08/2008 at 06:24pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
The gist of this post – that looks matter, I agree with.
But for most people, it's really hard to make yourself good-looking through plastic surgery, so it's not a good career move to do it since the results will probably only be temporary. As you mentioned in one of the comments, it's difficult to change who you are on the inside only by looking on the outside.
I also think that the notion of what is good-looking and beauty in general is changing and for the better. A lot of young people don't care about this so much, and their extreme self-confidence to begin with does make them quite attractive.
Beauty is uniqueness, more now than in the past hundred years or so.
Posted by Rebecca on 04/08/2008 at 06:32pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Every time I look in the mirror I think "it's a good thing I'm a cartoonist."
Posted by Andertoons on 04/08/2008 at 08:02pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
You'll find me under the knife (regardless of the type of surgery) as a last resort. If you want to improve your appearance the first place to start is with yourself by implementing a nutritious and controlled calorie diet, an exercise plan, and adequate sleep. It's not easy to put into action and maintain as part of your lifestyle but the benefits are worth the effort. You gain a more toned body and improved mental and physical health with a new self confidence because it was you who made these things possible. It's old fashioned advice because it's still true. If the above doesn't work to your satisfaction you'll at least have picked up some good habits. It may be that plastic surgery will be for the go-getters and career-minded. It's a herd I don't need to or will follow.
Posted by Mark W. on 04/08/2008 at 09:03pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Interesting post…I just got back from a conference where there were legions of Botoxed-Betties wandering about. Frankly, it is not attractive. Contrast this over-done, made-up fakery with the true beauty of a woman like Jane Goddall (who also spoke at the conference). She is accomplished, successful, lovely, seventy, with a simple ponytail and a serene (and unsurgically-altered) face. The sad fact is that no matter how much surgery you have, you only delay the inevitable — we'll all be old ladies soon. Better to focus on being an interesting person with something in your head and something to say.
Posted by Stella Commute on 04/08/2008 at 09:27pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Somewhat sad, but true. I see it in my own firm, where people with a better appearance tend to climb higher. However, I've also seen a lot of women (and men, but in a different capacity) who are not attractive by any means, but have made the climb due to being (pardon my tone) an outright bitch. No charisma whatsoever.
That being said, I'm fortunate that I am 6'1", athletic build with a full head of hair. I'm sure it's gotten me somewhere. And being white has helped as well, unfortunately.
Posted by Norcross on 04/08/2008 at 10:39pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I was blown away by the audacity of this post, but even more disgusted by all the commenters who agree! What a sad, sad state of affairs it is when a great career blog and all the followers are thinking "yeah, it's perfectly reasonable to get major surgery and adapt to society's beauty standards if it will improve my career"
I thought we had advanced a bit more. This is the 21st century, afterall. Rather than focusing on that which we have little control over (the looks we were born with) why don't we focus on that which we have a great deal of control over — our skills, our adaptability, our education, our competency. Oh wait, you can control your looks — just spend thousands of dollars on plastic surgery, it will do wonders for your career!
What kind of values are you guys teaching your kids by this?
How depressing. Maybe you all need to get outside in this nice weather, enjoy the company of great people, and, you know, live your life instead of living to work?
Scrap this blog, why don't we just all head over to hotornot.com?
But then again, I guess you're not called Brazen for nothing!
Posted by Flying Squirrel on 04/08/2008 at 10:55pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I always wanted to talk about pubic hair in my career oriented articles but I could never figure out how to slip it in. Thanks for showing the way.
Posted by Recruiting Animal on 04/08/2008 at 11:00pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm approaching 50 much faster than I'd like to think. (Is it okay that I'm reading Penelope Trunk?)I subscribe to the Maya Angelo philosophy of a Phenomenal Woman, not as a consolation since I'm pleasant-looking enough, but because I see great truth in it.
A woman – or man – is so much more beautiful when they display a confidence and happiness within themselves. A so-so looking woman who is well put together in terms of grooming and dress, carries herself well and smiles is much more attractive than the beautiful woman who lacks confidence and continuously frets about her looks. Is this just my opinion? Maybe. But I've observed lots of evidence to back it up.
To the poster approaching 40 and thinking more openly of plastic surgery– know thyself and love thyself! I've loved my decade of being 40. It's been liberating. I've finally accepted the cards I've been dealt and learned to appreciate who I am, which for women is always a tough thing to do.
As for shaving…cripes, doesn't it itch?!
Posted by Phenomenal Woman on 04/09/2008 at 01:40am | permalink | Reply to this comment
What about people who overestimate their appearance? What becomes of those who think they are more attractive than others perceive them to be? Is it that people treat more attractive people better, or is that people who think they are attractive are more confident and therefore become a bit more successful because of that confidence?
Posted by Dale on 04/09/2008 at 06:19am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Your money or your life?
Remember that surgery comes with greater risks than lower salaries: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23807734/
Posted by Sunwoman on 04/09/2008 at 08:27am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
All the data you cited is probably sound; it's your conclusion I take issue with. I don't think good-looking people are charismatic because they're good-looking; I think it's because they're confident. In fact, I think a large part of good looks comes from confidence. You say that "women have an advantage over men because women better understand where they fall in the spectrum of good-looking," but I think you've got it backwards. I'm a guy and not a terribly good-looking one, but I SEE myself as good-looking (sorry, we can't help it). And that delusion has done my career a world of good. And you're calling it a DISadvantage?
And as for boob jobs — are there guys out there who respond to that? If so, I don't know any.
Posted by Don on 04/09/2008 at 09:18am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Attractiveness/charisma includes more that just genetic looks. There are simple things every person can control such as looking trim & fit by exercising, dressing well and projecting a good personality.
My point here is I don't like the idea that an unattractive individual can't be successful & take control. Plastic surgery is too rampant today & uniqueness is not appreciated. (Has Jennifer Grey done anything since she got her nose fixed?) I fear that the world is becoming like that Ethan Hawk movie "Gattaca" where everyone is pigeonholed based on genetic characteristics. While attractiveness doesn't hurt it sure doesn't guarantee anything.
Posted by Neil C on 04/09/2008 at 10:41am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Interesting post. I totally agree. I wouldn't reccommend going out and getting surgery for an upcoming job search but I would say losing that extra 10 lbs can go a long way for most people.
Also, a great smile can make the world of difference. So I would definately recommend invisilign for someone who has crooked or overlapping, or gapped teeth, and white strips work wonders.
Posted by Tamieka on 04/09/2008 at 11:52am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Wow… I think I value freedom from makeup and from appearance-enhancing surgery a lot more than I would value whatever increment to my salary might result from embracing them. I'll just have to get by with whatever brains and charm can accomplish without them.
Posted by Emily on 04/09/2008 at 12:03pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks for the thought-provoking post. I worked at Guidant for 10 years, and the CEO was Ron Dollens, a gnome-like man who stood 5'7", stocky build, goofy grin and a bump on his chin. But Ron was a dynamic salesman who could rally employees. He was likeable, approachable, and retired rich. There are too many other factors in success to isolate looks as the prime ingredient to success.
Posted by JeffB on 04/09/2008 at 01:10pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This presumes that plastic surgery makes you better looking. I'm not convinced that's actually the case.
Posted by Caitlin on 04/09/2008 at 01:57pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
PS I think you'll find that when pubic hair is removed, the method of choice is waxing rather than shaving. It's not somewhere that you want stubble.
Posted by Caitlin on 04/09/2008 at 01:59pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I totally agree with you. I don't know if it's necessarily true that blondes have more fun, but I think it's definitely true that good-looking people do. Whether it helps you get a job, a date, a better deal on a car–whatever–the reality is that looks matter in this world.
I'm the first to admit I've had "work done." I know it's helped me succeed because it's given me confidence–and confidence, in my opinion, matters as much as looks do. I was lucky because when I got my "enhancements," I was home with kids and not working so didn't have to deal with showing up at the office on Monday 3 cup sizes larger; I do think that may not have worked in my favor. But showing up at an interview now…I can't say it's hurt me.
Same with botox–I wouldn't want to show up at work with huge bee-stung lips or scabs from a face-lift, but I have no problem with people thinking I'm younger than I am. One thing is for sure–regardless of whether looks matter in the work world, age most definitely does, especially if you're a woman.
The weird thing is that even though I've had this stuff done I STILL judge other women who have the same things done. I know I get just as many points deducted for looking the way I do as I get added—I’m not so naive to think that everyone looks at me and thinks gee, she looks great! I think ultimately it's more about confidence than looks; I feel better about myself and I know that comes across in the way I present myself. I don't think a smooth forehead and a nice rack would necessarily get me a job, but if it helps me come across as more polished and professional I’m sure not complaining.
Posted by Maggie on 04/09/2008 at 02:22pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I must agree, when I was 20lbs lighter, the reception got from people was must different than the one I get now. Then I was treated as automatically "in the know" and it was assumed I had something to contribute to the conversation (I'm a writer, I talk to lots of people). Now, people make the assumption that I know very little, and am less than articulate.
That's why when I can, I conduct my business via email. That way I don't have to explain to those I am talking to that yes, I am familiar with contemporary theories in my field. Plus, you don't see the shock/sadness/smugness in peoples' eyes upon lumbering into a room.
Posted by madeleine on 04/09/2008 at 02:56pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This is why I loved the cartoon in the New Yorker showing a little dog at a computer: It says: "On the internet no one knows your a dog". Most of my clients think I am younger than I am, and e-mail is the reason.
Regarding face lifts etc: make sure you don't have to go anywhere for 6 weeks after words, otherwise people will think you were a victim of a crime or spousal abuse. Its worth it but you have to plann your life around it.
Posted by leslie on 04/09/2008 at 03:07pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Very interesting post – and one that I think makes a lot of valid points.
This isn't a new idea, or news, to anyone who has been in high school. It's startling to be reminded, though, of the power of appearance in what we often see as a meritocracy.
I think someone in your comments thread made a valid point, too – looks, like connections or famous parents, can get your foot in the door. But then to sustain that momentum, you really have to bring it in terms of talent, intelligence, and know-how.
I'm a clean-cut, well-dressed guy, but I am also overweight. (And not by a little.) I've observed an inverse corollary to your statement – that many people underestimate my creativity, intelligence and knowledge. I actually use this to my advantage, because people seldom anticipate the strengths of my contributions and are caught by surprise – in some cases, this is the 'opening' I need to get that proverbial foot in the door, as it were.
Posted by Patrick on 04/09/2008 at 03:14pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Okay, this just opens the door for a huge societal flaw discussion. Before I dive into that, a quick note on point 1. Stay out of sales and management… I can almost agree with this from a Sales perspective but not so much in management. True, an attractive person would have an advantage out of the gate, but once you are in the door, you can prove yourself so valuable in management that your looks won't matter.
So, back to my main point, and please bear with me while I attempt to make this point. You bring up a bunch of facts that are true but I don't think they are true to a basic a level. I closely relate this to a problem in society that has bothered be for a long time. I call it Vocabulary victims. I grew up on the poor side of the tracks in a 80% Hispanic community. Of that 80% Chicano student base, about 10% of us could actually speak Spanish. About 90% of that student base had parents where English was a second language even though Spanish was not taught to the children. What you end up with is a culture of students with lousy vocabulary, terrible grammar, and they don't even have the excuse of English being their second language. I'm 40 years old and still trying to overcome this obstacle.
Now, these students grow up dealing with "outsiders" that have a massive vocabulary, great grammar, and clean American English with no accent. This creates a self-esteem issue that I thought was unparalleled until you brought up this topic on looks. What you have is people that are actually very intelligent and probably have abilities beyond belief that could contribute to the advancement of our society. They problem is, they themselves believe that they are inferior and begin to loose faith in their own level of intelligence when they interact with outsiders. This interaction with outsiders starts at a very young age and increases in frequency as they continue to grow until finally, they are adults that must interact with American public. The thought they have (but will never admit) is this… I can't speak like that person so I must not be as smart as they are. I have yet to figure out a way to combat this problem but your topic on looks is very similar. A person that grows up being "not so good looking" encounters a similar growing up experience that beats on their self esteem day after day into adulthood.
The point I'm trying to make is this. Whatever the cause is, it comes down to self esteem. If you believe in yourself, you are Good Looking! For example, Bette Midler is Beautiful.
Posted by Danny on 04/09/2008 at 03:48pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
OMG. I'm sorry, but this is the reason why places like LA and Florida really are the seventh layer of hell, and why the dumming down of America in the 20th and 21st century is a sad truth. At least one good thing about the slowing of the economy is that maybe people will start to reevaluate themselves and their values. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be attractive, healthy, sexy or vigorous, and if a little work can help you out, then fine. But really. Really? I agree, this version of the future is bleak and while I'm all for career and confidence, let's take at ourselves and how twisted the media and these so called truths being touted by Cosmo has forced us to become. Do some yoga and meditate, and invest in psychotherapy first. You will sparkle from the inside you, and you'll have much better friends.
Posted by MNH on 04/09/2008 at 07:35pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Here it is: Penelope says what others think. Had a guy friend who got a full facelift in his mid-40s and that was more than a dozen years ago – but I'm in CA. Very tough healing process – incredibly painful. Did he look better – yes.
Posted by Marsha on 04/09/2008 at 07:36pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
The career improving aspects of plastic surgery seem shallow to me, a mid-thirties male, who's had plastic surgery. I think that what you propose is accurate, if somewhat vane. If getting plastic surgery is going to allow a person to pursue their dreams with a higher likelihood of success, then I understand it. I wish it weren't this way, but in reality I find that over time some folks in every walk of life have at least one hurdle cleared if they are attractive.
My choice to get my gynecomastia (man-boobs, for the under-informed) removed was difficult. In the looks department, man-boobs are severely distracting to folks especially if they are on a tall guy (my experience.) This was a very painful operation with a long recovery and the release from people looking at them has been priceless. I am a decent looking thin-haired guy with a mild swagger, a master's degree, professional job, and people generally find me enjoyable. The man-boobs issue for me started at age 6, and I've heard/experienced every distasteful comment imaginable. I found it difficult to deal with the uncomfortable social situations/invitations where they(man-boobs)are either going to be on display, or a weird excuse must be concocted to avoid a fun activity with family and friends. If I find that my career is enhanced because I spend less mental and emotional time dealing with the distraction of concealing my chest, then I am further pleased with my decision.
I feel like the uncomfortable elephant in the room has left and now I don't have to pretend I didn't notice someone taking 3rd and 4th glances to confirm what they saw. I am still recovering from the surgery and my outlook and sense of freedom from the daily stigma for 30 years is still difficult to put into words. Clearly, making the decision to risk my health and wellness was serious. I don't regret it but it took nearly 10 years for me to move forward with the procedure.
At this point, the caring people I have in my personal and professional life have been very understanding and are encouraged by the action I took to deal with my problem. I have no intention of having another procedure done. If someone asks me about my experience to help them decide about their own, I envision discussing their goals and whether the procedure will help accomplish them. Personal risks vs. personal rewards I think, are the most important factors in this arena of modern life. Thanks for the pot-stirring post.
-Craig
Posted by Craig on 04/09/2008 at 09:31pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
i think 'someone' here is just releasing their pent up paranoid fears of why they may not have gotten what/where they want.
Posted by dmx on 04/10/2008 at 07:00am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hey, Penelope. I just wanted to apologize for leaving a comment about this post without reading it. That was pretty rude and dumb.
Posted by Joselle Palacios on 04/10/2008 at 08:53am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope..wow, I'm just wondering if some of your most recent posts are being driven by a desire to "go extreme" in order to drive wbesite traffic, or…well I'll hold that other thought.
So all of us not tall enough, not good looking enough people should avoid sales & management because these "studies" show we won't earn as much? C'mon – you've raised enough venture capital in your time – Wall Street is completely dominated by far too many folks that may have been hit more than once by the ugly stick.
Speaking of that study you link to, it begins by saying once you factor out variables such as education & experience? Come again – what other variables did they exclude…the ability to actually be articulate or to think?
And one last comment in this rambling reply. Your observaton of some major pharmas now hiring former cheerleaders to be salespeople, are you aware of how the dynamics of this job has changed. The title of that role is sales person, the description of the requirements reads more like spokes model.
I'm sorry, in my book smart is still the "sexiest". Looks and height may be wonderful things for popularity contests and ill defined sales positions, but I'll take my chances with personality, intelligience and knowledge any day.
Posted by Stuart on 04/10/2008 at 12:33pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope's right. Right or wrong, it's true. I've definitely noticed that (especially with older men) some negotiaitons are easier- my professional demeanor aside- because I'm a pretty twenty-something.
Let's take the conversation a step further though. If attractiveness/beauty plays such a determining role in career success, we must ask ourselves what is recognized as "beauty" in America (and I speak largely of female beauty).
It's no secret that our society has an implicit heirarchy of beauty, and the darker one's skin and the "black"-er one's features, the lower one falls on that heirarhy. Recall the Harvard study that shows that most people (black people included) demonstrate a preference for "white."
Everyone is familiar with the dialogue on overt racism. But next time we ask why there aren't more African Americans at high levels of industry, perhaps one of the reasons is tied to Penelope's point here– people hire, nurture, and respond well to people they think are good looking. There are always exceptions, but if dark skin and "black" features are (generally speaking) not considered good looking, where does that leave us?
Posted by Jennifer Lynn on 04/10/2008 at 01:24pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Jennifer, it leaves you working for me. I got hired as the CIO of a growing mid size industrial manufacturing company, and our IT department is perhaps the most ethnically diversified department in the company. At last count, (still doing some hiring), there are at least 27 different (spoken) languages in the various parts of IT. None of us are the 'spokesmodel' type, and at least 70% of us are on the Autism/Asperger scale, but we work well together and get things done.
Posted by jrandom42 on 04/11/2008 at 02:49pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I know this comment is coming kind of late, but I think this also depends a lot on the industry that you're in. People is pharma, sales, and certain service careers (bartending, stripping, etc.) can certainly have their careers enhanced by having surgery. But in most of the country there are careers where this wouldn't make too much of a difference, if not be a detriment (writing, academia, even politics for women). I think that each career has an aesthetic ideal (or two) that often correlates more to a sense of style than a perfect nose. Making sure that you're presentable, stylish, and interesting will still get you a lot farther than having this kind of boring LA/Miami look, at least in the Midwest.
Posted by Monica on 04/12/2008 at 03:16pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Add college professors to the list of people who benefit professionally from cosmetic surgery. Case in point: an "older" adjunct professor of English that had Botox and finally got a full-time job (http://chronicle.com/jobs/news/2008/04/2008041401c/careers.h
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Posted by Nikos on 04/13/2008 at 10:10pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Sorry P. I disagree. Ugly babies? Um I'm not even going to try to figure out where you got that research from.
First I don't consider myself particularly attractive. I've always been overweight. Muscley from kickboxing and other martial arts. I hate makeup, my hair spends most of its time in a pony tail or a bun or a cap. I've made more money and have a much better career than any of the polished pampered princesses (Oh they were visions of loveliness) I went to school with.
I keep in touch. Most of them are sadly pregnant with a bunch of kids and hating their lives husbands and jobs. These are private school kids that were given everything by their parents including surgery to correct 'problems'.
I won't bore you with statistics as you can pretty much say what ever you like with them but I'm fairly certain attractiveness comes with a host of issues in its own right that I couldn't be bothered to deal with.
I'll tell you what worked for me. I'm smart as f*. Razor intellect got me where I am. Anything I put my mind to it happens. That sort of confidence shines through in my work and in my dealings with co-workers and all of the management teams I've ever had to work with. (I'm sitting at the head of the programming department for a top ten hospital chain.) Confidence doesn't have to stem from what you see in the mirror. It isn't bound up in your clothes or having the right hair or the right cheek bones. If a person needs these things to further their ends I'm not going to look down on them. But I will say that people don't need these things to be successful in the work world. In sales or anything else. All a person needs to do is know themselves. Know their limits and their job well enough to project the right attitude.
P, you gets the FIE for making it sound other wise.
-Diz
Posted by Diz on 04/14/2008 at 10:22am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Despair.com said it best and has the last word.
http://www.despair.com/beauty.html
Posted by jrandom42 on 04/14/2008 at 12:30pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I would also note that in most instances and in most places it is not illegal to hire someone because they are attractive (or unattractive).
http://www.laborlawyers.com/showarticle.aspx?Ref=list&Type=1119&Cat=3387&Show=10362
Posted by C on 04/14/2008 at 01:06pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope – you know that I love you but this one takes me back to when you and I first met in cyberspace back when you wrote about this same topic at 2.0. You know me and you know that I look like. Sure I think I'm quite an attractive package (and my husband would agree) but mainstream society might not agree with the junk in my trunk. You also know that I've been uber successful in my sales career. Looks haven't held me back whatsoever, it's what is between my ears that has gotten me to where I am. Well, that and my cute smile…
I just don't want folks starting out to use something like this as a crutch that prevents them for going for it. I've always found that substance (and tangible results) matter more to most people over the package.
Posted by Ginny on 04/16/2008 at 11:02am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope-
I like the comment
" a good-looking woman will negotiate better for a company than anyone else—even a good-looking man, according to research by Sara Solnick of the University of Miami and Maurice Schweitzer from Wharton. Good-looking women drive harder bargains than everyone else."
Any chance you have a recommendation for a good book that covers better negotiating and bargaining strategies for women?
Posted by Lauren on 04/16/2008 at 06:17pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
It's time we HR Pros put an end to this kind of blatant elitism! Here are some ideas of what HR can do to stem the tide of over-valuing physical beauty:
1) To avoid sizeism, heightism and lookism, all Recruiters and Employment Specialists shall wear blindfolds while conducting interviews. HR Pros shall refrain from making decisions based on how attractive, fit or tall a candidate might be.
2) To avoid discriminatng against candidates or employees with whiny or mousey voices, or those who have loud eructations: voice modulators shall be used on all telephones in HR Offices, so as to not allow applicant or employee voices & bodily noises to influence HR perceptions and decisions.
3) To avoid discriminating against the malodorous, sudoriferous and the flatulent: self-contained breathing apparatus shall be worn during same-room encounters between HR Professionals and any employee or potential employee.
If we HR folks don't stand up for the stinky, the homely and the ill-favored, who will?
Posted by Andres on 04/24/2008 at 12:47pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think there's nothing wrong with it. Come on people, this is just a proposal and at the end of the day it will depends on your decision. You will always be the king of your life. No one force you to believe. What ever you're decision, it will respectfully accepted. Just for my opinion, I'm not against with plastic surgery. If he/she thinks this will be her/his key to success on their career,then go! If it's not then so be it. This surgeon are here to help anyone gain their confidence.
Posted by Boulder Plastic Surgeon on 05/15/2008 at 10:31pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Sure, it's just human nature for men and women to be attracted to certain physical characteristics.
Just like it's human nature for pedophiles to be attracted to youthful features.
This is a slippery slope. Erasing moral responsibility in this area leads to a complete loss of moral responsibility in all areas.
Posted by Norak on 05/18/2008 at 06:45am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
Brazen Careerist is a fantastic blog/website/career knowledge source. Your perspective, your topics, and your bold, realistic, tasteful no-holds-barred writing are all right-on-target.
I believe at least some goals of Brazen Careerist overlap with goals of mine concerning the physical attractiveness dimension of a person's appearance. Like Brazen Careerist, we strive to challenge and not to turn away from sometimes discomforting realities in work and life. At the moment I am referring to your post above titled, "Plastic surgery is the next must-have career tool. Maybe."
The title attached to this particular blog post of yours is helpful, provocative, and completely accurate, as well as being beneficially informing, alerting and discomforting to some readers (including myself). Your text certainly reviews and interprets well the content of my book, "Looks: Why They Matter More Than You Ever Imagined."
An abundance of scientifically sound research conducted by many others document clearly that, for both males and females, of all ages, in the workplace and throughout life, individuals, organizations, and society overall place much importance on the looks of a person. Objective scientific research strongly documents that the consequences—whether we like it or not—are that good looking people experience benefits throughout life that not so good looking people do not experience.
However discomforting this reality might be, individuals of higher physical attractiveness do experience benefits in the workplace and throughout life, whereas individuals who might not be so good-looking experience corresponding detriments. In addition, it is my opinion that it is better to acknowledge this reality, than not to be aware of it or, as some people do, hope it does not exist or hope that it will go away if they pretend it doesn't exist. Well, I have concluded, denying lookism/physical attractiveness phenomenon or in other ways turning a proverbial blind eye to it is not the best action on any measure. Refusing to acknowledge something that we do not like or having lack of knowledge and awareness of such things, does not resolve situations deemed undesirable by some.
This current blog post has gotten entirely too long, but I still have several additional paragraphs to add.
In life we interact all the time with people who do—consciously or unconsciously—make judgments about us based on what we look like. Nevertheless, we are not defenseless.
Small differences can mean big consequences. For success in careers and beyond, small differences in a person’s physical attractiveness can translate into big consequences. Accordingly, people should "not do nothing," just because they cannot do everything. A complete makeover is neither necessary nor likely appropriate to reap benefits of looking better at work. And, because many factors (both physical and non-physical) determine a person’s physical attractiveness, most people have actions and alternatives available to them.
Measures taken to increase physical attractiveness can range from routine to non-routine.
Small physical changes with significant consequences can begin with improvements related to grooming, hairstyle, eyewear, cosmetics, fit, style, and industry-appropriateness of clothes, as well as basic hygiene, physical fitness via exercise and proper nutrition, optimal sleep, and basic dentistry.
The other end of the continuum includes cosmetic dentistry, liposuction procedures, pharmaceutical facial filler injections, hair transplants, face-lifts, and other cosmetic surgeries. Of course, technology, ethics, religion, societal norms, social pressures, and financial resources, as well as an individual’s own judgment and motivation, limit such pursuits and changes acceptable for any one person.
At the same time, internal improvements can actually improve judgments about external appearance. Changes in interpersonal styles, attitude, personality, self-esteem or self-confidence, and even education achievements increase a person’s physical attractiveness as judged by others and by oneself.
As I started this post of mine, I again compliment you for your topics and for your bold, realistic, tasteful no-holds-barred writing expressed through the fantastic career knowledge source provided by Brazen Careerist.
Gordon Patzer
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Dr. Gordon Patzer
author of, "Looks: Why They Matter More Than You Ever Imagined"
Posted by Dr. Gordon Patzer on 06/29/2008 at 07:36pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Professionally speaking, this is the biggest chunk of you know what that a person with any form of intelligence has EVER heard! It's an insult to intelligent people. Intelligent people climb ladders, hard working people, ugly or not, progress and so on. Telling people that looks are how one advances shows the lack of intelligence and encourages professional "pimping" not to mention displays a gross sense of vanity.
There are plenty of successful people who are not exactly applicants for underwear billboards but they are where they are because of dedication and hard work. Donald Trumpp, Oprah Winfrey,Bill Gates,Condoleeza Rice, Wesley Snipes, Barb Walters etc… I probably shouldn't even waste my time responding to this less than intelligent website. I was trying to help my nephew with preparing for an interview and ran across this nonsense.
For those of you who believe what was written on this page and for those of you who believe you have to be pretty or sexy to get that job that you want, please think more of yourself. Young people, please possess better self esteem than what this is promoting.
Now, I believe it's time to navigate to a more accurate webpage.
Posted by Michelle Thomas on 07/14/2008 at 09:18pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Nice attempt to justify your vanity.
White teeth, clear skin, snoobs, and tight ass (or whatever plastic surgery you've thought of)ain't gonna do it.
Mediocre — well hell, good looking or dreadful looking people — don't, eventually, go anywhere long term without the rest of it. And even then, not that much further — at least enough to justify surgery. Way to take a kernel and make an ear — out of an obvious concept — people like attractive people and the rewards for that follow.
Damn. Surgery as career advice???? WTF?
I'll take a Tim Russert over Gerald Rivera anyday.
Whatever you've had done — God knows — you should've considered saving it instead.
As much as you probably want to jump off the bridge for hearing it, your appearance isn't enough for anybody to care — no matter what procedures you have, want to have, or been told to have.
Dr. Gordon Patzer, gimme a break. Quit with the shallowest of shallow, transparent, self-serving, shameless promotion. It makes my brain hurt.
BTW: I am considered well above average in terms of looks. Save the B.S. ad hominum attack for someone else.
Posted by Joel on 07/14/2008 at 10:08pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Joel,
Although I disagree with most of what you’ve stated, I appreciate your taking the time to write your comments/thoughts/thinking and I can understand your perspective given your apparent level of understanding (or lack of understanding) concerning the physical attractiveness dimension of a person’s appearance. Physical attractiveness and specifically physical attractiveness phenomenon is far more than meets the eye, to the extent that yes, for both males and females of all ages, “beauty can be ugly.”
I believe that people benefit less by looking the other way (ignoring, disregarding, or denying) than by acknowledging and then realistically idealistically challenging conventional wisdom. Well, I have concluded, denying lookism/physical attractiveness phenomenon or in other ways turning a proverbial blind eye to it is not the best action. In turn, I know my own individual actions will not provide an ultimate solution, but I believe my actions point toward a solution better than taking no action.
Lack of knowledge and awareness does not resolve problems. Awareness about differences experienced by people with differences precedes corrective actions. For too long, people not affected negatively by discrimination—aligned with differences based on race, sex, physical attractiveness, and so forth—believed life to be a reasonably level playing field. At best, their insensitivity was inadvertent.
Best wishes, Gordon
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Dr. Gordon Patzer
author of, "Looks: Why They Matter More Than You Ever Imagined"
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P.S. At this time I am living in India for 6 to 7 months (from July 2008 with my return back home to Chicago scheduled for around mid-January 2009). During these months I am living in the capital city of India (Delhi), traveling within India, and learning first hand how Physical Attractiveness Phenomenon (lookism) compares in similarities and differences in the United States and India. In the process, I am able to inform people within India with whom I speak about Physical Attractiveness Phenomenon and, likewise, I am adding to my knowledge for when I return to the United States. To carry-out this current travel of mine, I have been awarded a highly competitive U.S. Fulbright Scholar grant based on a lengthy (nearly year-long), thorough, five-stage review process conducted in the United States and India.
The U.S. Fulbright Scholar program’s purpose is to build mutual understanding between the people of the United States and the rest of the world. And, it is my perspective, that one important way to achieve this purpose is through better and greater understanding of the role of looks/physical attractiveness phenomenon, which might also be described as, “Looks: Why They Matter More Than You Ever Imagined.”
Established in 1946, award recipients of the U.S. Fulbright Scholar program are selected on the basis of academic or professional achievement, as well as demonstrated leadership potential in their fields. Known worldwide as America’s flagship international educational program, it is sponsored by the United States Department of State, Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs. The Program operates in over 150 countries worldwide and seeks to promote mutual understanding and respect between the people of the United States and the people of other countries.
Posted by Dr. Gordon Patzer on 07/26/2008 at 05:21am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Michelle,
Please, do not deny your nephew the opportunity to secure employment, let alone optimal employment for him. Please do not sell him short. Well intentioned parents, as well as, I guess, other well intentioned relatives, sometimes suggest to those younger, that looks should not matter. Regardless how admirable that the notion might be, that looks should not matter, to tell someone starting their career that looks do not matter is counterproductive when that job-searcher encounters reality outside of the friendly confines of well-intentioned, albeit sometimes unrealistic, relatives.
However discomforting reality might be to you, to not be aware of reality, not to acknowledge reality, or to deny it to others within your potential temporary influence, will not make it disappear. I too might wish what you seem to see through your rose-colored glasses to be true in regard to the physical attractiveness phenomenon, but I’ve removed those glasses of mine long ago based on objective reality in which exceptions to a rule do not invalidate the rule.
Dr. Gordon Patzer
author of "Looks: Why They Matter More Than You Ever Imagined"
Posted by Dr. Gordon Patzer on 07/26/2008 at 05:44am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Dr. Gordon Patzer,
I enjoyed reading your comments and agree with them for the most part. However I would like to add the following to them by commenting on two paragraphs you wrote above -
"Small physical changes with significant consequences can begin with improvements related to grooming, hairstyle, eyewear, cosmetics, fit, style, and industry-appropriateness of clothes, as well as basic hygiene, physical fitness via exercise and proper nutrition, optimal sleep, and basic dentistry.
The other end of the continuum includes cosmetic dentistry, liposuction procedures, pharmaceutical facial filler injections, hair transplants, face-lifts, and other cosmetic surgeries. Of course, technology, ethics, religion, societal norms, social pressures, and financial resources, as well as an individual’s own judgment and motivation, limit such pursuits and changes acceptable for any one person."
I believe almost everyone should start with the small physical changes you describe so they can assess the changes that they have made and take additional steps if they feel it necessary to do so. Behavioral changes such as exercise, good nutrition, and adequate sleep require constant due diligence and are not easy to achieve or maintain. Many people look at plastic surgery as a quick fix requiring little effort on their part. Plastic surgery is surgery with all its' associated risks so to me it would be a big decision. I would want a plastic surgeon who was not only very good and came well recommended but someone who would be willing to tell me a certain procedure would not be in my best interest. I know this is a judgment call but unnecessary work performed is what concerns me here. As you can probably tell I'm on the fence with the issue of plastic surgery but can definitely see it's rewards. Thanks again for your comments.
Mark
Posted by Mark W. on 07/26/2008 at 11:56am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Mark,
Thank you for your comments, and I agree fully 100% with your comments. Furthermore, I would say in regard to the fence location, that it is far better to error on the side of caution side of the fence on this matter (of not taking the cosmetic surgery step) than to take it…as you have stated very well.
Gordon
Posted by Dr. Grodon Patzer on 07/27/2008 at 12:04am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Gordon Patzer, author of Looks: "Why They Matter More Than You Ever Imagined" and a longtime researcher on the impact of physical attractiveness, can run through a laundry list of study results that point to the advantages of being good looking. Cuter newborns in a nursery are touched, held, and talked to more than less attractive babies. Elementary school teachers unknowingly tend to hold higher expectations for better-looking children. Parents may be less protective of less-attractive children.
Then, when people reach working age, good-looking college graduates are more likely to get hired. Employees themselves tend to be willing to do more for better-looking bosses.
Posted by Raffaella on 08/04/2008 at 11:49am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I recently got breast augmentation and I couldn't be happier. Even though I knew it was silly, I always wanted bigger breasts. I think less is definitely more when it comes to plastic surgery. I went with smaller implants and they came out looking very natural and proportionate to the rest of my body. The key is to have realistic expectations – and a good doctor. Shout out to http://www.doctorciano.com in Thousand Oaks!
Posted by Alba on 08/22/2008 at 10:03am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thank you Alba for sharing your decision and action as you've written above. Your message, action, and expressed thoughts have merits on multiple dimensions.
Dr. Gordon Patzer
Posted by Dr. Gordon Patzer on 08/22/2008 at 10:15am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Plastic surgery is not a frivolous decision to make…it is undergoing a major procedure where there are risks involved. It is true that the risk is minimal today. Process has gotten better. Medicine has advanced. But, it is still something one must consider for a while before choosing to have a procedure done.
Posted by AZ Plastic Surgery on 10/21/2008 at 05:47pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Having something active that you love, and keeping in shape doing it is more likely to make you "good looking" in a real and confidence-inspiring way than going to a plastic surgeon. Get real.
Posted by Kate on 12/09/2008 at 05:30pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I am currently over in Taiwan and billboards for plastic surgury are more prevelent that ads for getting a haircut.
Posted by Chris Bauman on 01/04/2009 at 03:12am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I am thinking what plastic surgery really is?
We always think that it was about breast implants, liposuction and etc . . . .
But why? To makes us beautiful and attractive to the eyes of the other people, especially the women. Right? But why it is there are so many people undergo to surgery wherein they are already attractive and beautiful. Instead of prioritizing our personal wanted, why we don’t help those children that have a cleft lip. It is the separation of the lip or roof of the mouth. There are so many children who need our help. There are so many Plastic surgery foundation and charities that accept voluntary help for those children that have this kind of condition.
Posted by amanda on 02/05/2009 at 05:14pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Surgeries make us beautiful and attractive to the eyes of the other people, especially the women. Because we concede that beauty is an asset of an individual. It was about breast implants, liposuction and etc . . . . As of now, many plastic surgery foundations and organizations conduct this kind of medical specialty, for the individuals whose interest is about looking beautiful. But always keep
in mind that aside from us there are more people needs of it. Like, those young children born every year that has a cleft lip.
Posted by Cyril on 02/06/2009 at 11:39am | permalink | Reply to this comment
The health of the people is really the foundation upon which all their happiness,all their powers as a state depend. Aside from being healthy, people will be happy also if they are beautiful and attractive. There are so many doctors, hospitals and plastic surgery organizations that promote this kind of medical specialty.
Posted by Heidi on 02/06/2009 at 11:46am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thank you for this articles author. from here we can choose which should be done and what does not and it will be very impressive.
thanks!
Posted by Observer's hair transplant on 02/24/2009 at 09:18am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'd stick to Botox injections. It'll give you the same benefits without quite the commitment.
Posted by Healthy Skin Portal on 03/11/2009 at 01:10pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I enjoy greatly this discussion about looks, physical attractiveness phenomenon, and cosmetic surgery pertaining to workplace and our pursuits of employment and career advancement. As the author of the book (LOOKS: Why They Matter More Than You Ever Imagined) that Ms. Trunk commented on at the start of this discussion, I am always interested to learn about these topics. My feelings are mixed because a primary theme of my research, writing, speaking, and perspectives is that I, as well as many people, find the related realities to be discomforting albeit true.
The past six to seven months I have had the opportunity to live in India as a U.S. Fulbright Scholar. During that time I studied, spoke about, and organized a two-day, international, scholarly conference focused on the topic and sub-topics of physical attractiveness phenomenon that include cosmetic surgery in regard to the workplace and the many marketplaces in which we find ourselves. And, not surprising to me, there are far more similarities than differences in these regards among the more than 1 billion people in India today as among the less than one-half million people in the United States today. Related, I have here included below a brief newspapers article that published this past week in a mainstream legitimate newspaper news source about graduating college students in China who today are securing cosmetic surgery to aid their employment and career aspirations.
Dr. Gordon Patzer
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Chinese Graduates Go Under The Knife To Get Job
Thaindian News – March 3rd, 2009 – Hefei (China), March 3 (Xinhua)
Appearance matters. That’s what some job-seeking Chinese college graduates say.
Tang Tingting is among 6.1 million Chinese college students who will graduate this year.
She underwent cosmetic surgery to change her simple eye to double eye in which the skin around the eye is reshaped, saying it was absolutely necessary. She thinks it will bring her luck while job hunting.
“The new appearance makes me more confident in interviews,” said Tang. She is a secretary major at a college in Hefei, capital of eastern Anhui province.
She said she has not found a satisfactory job as China is in a severe employment situation due to the economic downturn.
The surgery cost her 2,000 yuan ($292), all provided by her parents, who are farmers in Wuhu City, a 90 minute drive from Hefei. Tang said she was influenced by the current fashion trend. She had consulted the Danfeng Chaoyang Maternity Hospital, a private one in Hefei before she had the operation.
The hospital told her the percentage of college students having cosmetic surgeries has risen sharply.
Small operations such as double eye, nose augmentation or removal of whelks on face cost 1,000 yuan to several thousand yuan, said Huang Li, a doctor in the hospital.
The number of college graduates looking for jobs will exceed seven million this year, the country’s top labour and social security authorities said.
“I have participated in several interviews, but failed,” said a 22-year-old graduate surnamed Zhao. She is an English major at a college in Hefei.
“I felt my face broad and my eyes small,” said the girl. “The appearance made me lack confidence and perhaps affected the interviewers.”
With the support of her parents, Zhao had a cosmetic surgery on her face at the cost of 10,000 yuan a couple of weeks ago to make her face look thinner and eyes larger.
“At least I am more confident now,” said Zhao. She said she believed she would have more chances of success in job hunting after the surgery.
“After the Spring Festival, our centre has seen a remarkable rise of the number of college students who come to have cosmetic surgeries,” said Zhao Yu, a doctor who performed her surgery at the cosmetic surgery centre of the No. 1 Hospital affiliated to Anhui Medical University.
Currently, there are four to five cosmetic surgeries for graduates every day, about half of the centre’s total, he said. He said both girls and boys, mainly in liberal arts and fine arts, had the surgeries.
“Appearance is a representation of a person’s quality and the first impression that a job hunter leaves to the interviewer is very important,” said Wang Kaiyu, a sociology researcher with Anhui Academy of Social Sciences. “It is necessary for a person to display the best aspect to interviewers.”
“But job hunting is not a beauty contest, talent and working capability still remain the most important factors,” he added.
Premier Wen Jiabao said in January that finding jobs for graduates was a government priority.
Posted by Dr. Gordon Patzer on 03/14/2009 at 10:58am | permalink | Reply to this comment
weak individuals have plastic surgery. if one was comfortable with one's self and thus confident and strong then plastic surgery would not even be considered
Posted by mr luggage on 06/07/2009 at 08:47pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Are you sure you meant to write "This is where women have an advantage over men because women better understand where they fall in the spectrum of good-looking." ?
Surely we've all known the attractive woman who is deeply insecure about their looks? If you'd said that men tend to overestimate their looks, whereas women underestimate their looks, I think you would have been closer to the truth. But none of my experiences would lead me to believe that women have a more accurate sense of their attractiveness than men.
Posted by Lawrence on 08/16/2009 at 10:47pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
It's awful how media refers to plastic surgery as a must-have, putting the industry in bad day light. Numerous plastic surgery addicts are on shown, while in fact millions of people are really helped by this procedure.
Posted by Plastic surgery South Africa on 10/02/2009 at 07:50am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Wow. Did you get this job on your back?
Posted by Summie on 10/08/2009 at 07:01pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I should clarify that post….not you. That's what they say to the pretty people ;) After I read it. It seems like it is directed at you.
Posted by Summie on 10/08/2009 at 07:08pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Everyone has to admit that almost all good looking people work in better job or get bigger salary. I agree with you that this is because highly attractive people actually earn more money for a company than average looking people. Personally, I think that it is really unfair. All people should have the equal rights in our democratic world. In my opinion, it is unwise to get plastic surgery due to this. But we can do everything and it’s our choice how to live. Thanks for the interesting article! I will be waiting for other great ones from you.
Posted by Tina on 10/14/2009 at 03:53pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think people need brain surgery to get out of this crisis. There are thousands people who have finished their college but haven't got any job yet. The worse scenario if they get plastic surgery and apply for porn audition, it's the industry that never get bankrupted and would give decent money easily. I prefer the first one though.
Posted by Entry Level Job Search on 10/26/2009 at 02:11pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
nice blog site.
Posted by cathy on 10/28/2009 at 01:06am | permalink | Reply to this comment