There's a lot of advice on this blog about how to interview: Tell good stories, ask good questions, be a closer. But here's only one most important thing to remember: when it comes to discussing your potential salary, never give the number first.
The right answer to the question, "What's your salary range?" is almost always some version of "I'm not telling you."
The person who gives the first number sets the starting point. But if that's you, you lose. If you request a salary higher than the range for the job, the interviewer will tell you you're high, and you've just lost money. If you request a salary lower than the range, the interviewer will say nothing, and you've just lost money.
So you can only hurt yourself by giving the first number. You want the interviewer to tell you the range for the position, because then you can focus on getting to the high end of that range. But you can't work to the high point if you don't know it.
So if there are two good salary negotiators in the room, it will be a game to see who has to give the first number. Fortunately, the company cannot make you an offer without also offering a salary, so the cards are stacked in your favor, as long as you hold your ground.
So here's a list of responses for all the ways the interviewer will ask you how much money you expect to make. The more times you can fend off the question, the less likely you will have to be the one to give the first number. This works, even if you don't have the upper hand and you really need the job.
What salary range are you looking for?
"Let's talk about the job requirements and expectations first, so I can get a sense of what you need." That's a soft answer to a soft way to ask the question.
What did you make at your last job?
"This position is not exactly the same as my last job. So let's discuss what my responsibilities would be here and then determine a fair salary for this job." It's hard to argue with words like "fair" and "responsibilities"—you're earning respect with this one.
What are you expecting to make in terms of salary?
"I am interested in finding a job that is a good fit for me. I'm sure whatever salary you're paying is consistent with the rest of the market." In other words, I respect myself and I want to think I can respect this company.
I need to know what salary you want in order to make you an offer. Can you tell me a range?
"I'd appreciate it if you could make me an offer based on whatever you have budgeted for this position and we can go from there." This is a pretty direct response, so using words like "appreciate" focuses on drawing out the interviewer's better qualities instead of her tougher side.
Why don't you want to give your salary requirements?
"I think you have a good idea of what this position is worth to your company, and that's important information for me to know." Enough dancing–this is one last attempt to force you to give the number first. Hold your line here and you win.
You can see the pattern, right? If you think you sound obnoxious or obstinate by not answering the question, think of how he feels asking the question more than once. The interviewer is just trying to get a leg up on you in negotiations. If you give in, you look like a poor negotiator, and the interviewer is probably not looking for someone like that.
So stand your ground, and understand that the interviewer is being as insistent as you are. And it might encourage you to know that research shows that if you mirror the behavior of the interviewer, you are more likely to get the job. Sure, this usually applies to tone of voice, level of enthusiasm, and body language, but who's to say it doesn't apply to negotiation tactics, too? Try it. You could come away lots richer.










In principle this sounds good, but it a lot of job ads I've looked at lately include something along the lines of "applications without salary history will not be considered." I suppose you could argue that such companies probably have average to below average compensation anyway.
Posted by Jackie on 02/19/2008 at 03:32pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm really curious to know if there is some value in getting the salary discussion out of the way first, or at least early on. Nothing screams "waste of time" to me than if I put a ton of effort into an interview only to find out the upper end of the range is half of what I'm currently making. I'm sure that goes the other way as well – they don't want to waste an afternoon only to find out I'm way out of their league.
Posted by Derek on 02/19/2008 at 03:38pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I've had two phone interviews with the same company…the first one ended with them putting the open position on hold indefinitely in late 2007. They called back with another opening a few weeks ago and asked me to apply for it on their website. During the initial call, they basically shared the salary range for the position to make sure neither of us were wasting their time. This is quite common in my experience. I'm at a senior level, so maybe it's more common with my years of experience, but why waste either of our time if we aren't in the same ballpark?
That said, it might be a function of the company size, the rigidity of the salary ranges, and the professionalism of the HR person. Because I've had the experience Derek describes…a great interview followed by an offer at half my current salary.
Posted by Hope on 02/19/2008 at 03:52pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
You are correct. I am a professional recruiter and I am absolutely fanatical about getting people to give me a salary range first. Recruiters generally are good at what they do because they are very good at the phones and they are better negotiators than the average public. This puts most job seekers at a disadvantage from the beginning.
Some recruiters care about the long term game plan & will take the time to make sure you are getting a fair compensation plan, most won't. Some see this as a personal challenge to see how much they can squeeze out of you.
At the end of the day, remember that recruiters do this for sport, the hiring managers just want to hire the right person & move on.
Posted by Julia Stone on 02/19/2008 at 04:10pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
It would be nice to know the salary offered before you go to the trouble of applying, but that is where networking and research come in to play. If you've done your homework, you should already know (within a reasonable range) if the job is worth your time.
There are many factors you don't control while job hunting – the employer, other candidates, market fluctuations – but you do control what information you share, and this is great advice for how to hold your tongue on salary. Think of it as one of the few aspects of the process that is really in your court. It can be empowering to plan ahead to refuse to give in.
Miriam Salpeter
Posted by Miriam Salpeter on 02/19/2008 at 04:26pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks for writing about this, until now I felt like I was better off wrestling alligators than answering this question and I'm sure it came thru in the interview.
Now to sit in front of the mirror and practice these answers :-)
Posted by Jonathan on 02/19/2008 at 05:19pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm self-employed and I stick to my guns about my consulting fees — but, back when I was in the regular job force, I wasn't sure what to do when the recruiter wanted salary history. I never reply to job ads with my salary info — if they want me, they'll tell me. But what do you do in an interview where the recruiter wants to know your salary at each job you've ever held? It would be great if you could let people know how to handle that. Should people just say, "Those jobs aren't really relevant to the value I bring to the position you have available"?
Posted by Andrea C>> Become a consultant blog on 02/19/2008 at 05:41pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I always reply that each employer has insisted that salary information remains confidential, which they really have insisted on, and I never had any subsequent questions about that. I guess you can't really argue that you should make public the previous salaries, while keeping this one confidential…
Posted by Marko on 05/06/2009 at 02:02pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Great tips! I appreciate the "real-life" question and answer examples that you provide.
Posted by Stephanie on 02/19/2008 at 06:06pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
A twist on the response to "What is your current salary" is to say that your current position is a very special case. Imply that you are making a ton of money which isn't applicable to this position. You can even say your're embarassed to mention it. If they do come up with an offer it is often higher than the lowball offer they would normally start with.
Posted by asd on 02/19/2008 at 06:10pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I would start asking the interviewer questions about the company's benefit package if I got the salary question. I would let them know salary is only one component of the total compensation and cost to the company for an employee and that I would need to know the approximate dollar value of their benefit package. I would ask about health care, 401k plan, vacation, sick time, etc. details of their benefit package. If the company has a good benefit plan the interviewer should be happy to discuss it and be able to answer the questions. If the interviewer doesn't know the dollar value of the benefit plan you can't answer the salary question because you don't have enough information.
Posted by Mark W. on 02/19/2008 at 06:12pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
"What salary where you expecting?"
Just delay.
"I haven't really thought about it yet. I still need to research what the current range is for this industry/company".
"It has been awhile since I've reviewed the salary ranges for this type of position. I prefer to hear all about potential position's before I start considering what my salary requirements are.
Posted by asd on 02/19/2008 at 06:16pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hmm. The only issue I see with this is that the answers, while fair, could be judged as having a lack of preparation that could hurt one's chances for getting the job.
When applying to jobs, not only is it important to know something about the company to which you're applying, but it's always a good idea to know what the going rates are for your geographical location, and what salary range is acceptable.
Posted by JB on 05/06/2009 at 05:07pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Great tips.
If a company treated me like that in an interview, I would be very skeptical of whether or not I wanted to work for them. Its more professional for a company to make you an offer that they seem fit, and if they try to screw you over in the interview, would you really want to work for that person?
My current employer never treated me that way, and if any future potential imployers did, I'd seriously question why I wanted to work for that company in the first place.
Posted by Joe S on 02/19/2008 at 06:34pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
In some online applications that I have had to fill out, you have to choose a range from a drop-down menu and you cannot move on until you choose something. I have been out of work for 6 months so I don't have the luxury of saying I just won't apply, especially if it is a good position with a good company. I have to choose something. Often, you have to fill in a number, which apparently some people fill in with zeros. I have never had the guts to do that. If you do apply to a position, it is usually a given that you will go through HR and usually deal with one of their recruiters.
I know I should be better at negotiating salaries, but I have never been good at game playing and think it is just ridiculous. Reading that recruiters consider this all to be some big game makes me sick. All the more reason to network like crazy so you can avoid recruiters and get to the hiring managers. They usually handle things a little more straight up.
Posted by MariaMH on 02/19/2008 at 06:43pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
What would you recommend for companies such as mine that have a questionnaire as part of the interview paperwork (application, self identifier form, background check form) there is a salary and benefits form where they ask your current salary etc? I am really curious since I ended up filling out the form honestly, got an offer that gave me about a 12% raise, took it and found that I am actually below the salary range for my position.
Posted by Gary on 02/19/2008 at 06:45pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Great advice in theory but there are two trends that make this increasingly difficult.
Firstly, a lot of companies require an online application using their own web application software. You physically cannot submit the application unless you put a number into the salary expectation field – and they want just ONE number, not even a range. And there is no other way of applying. This is not just dud jobs by the way – this is how some of the best newspapers in Britain recruit.
Secondly, a lot of industries are dominated by recruitment agents (who you sang the praises of in the last post). Recruitment agents won't represent you if you won't tell them salary. Yet they are not out to negotiate the highest salary for you – sure, they earn commission but their primary concern is placing you and earning the commission at all, not exactly how much commission they earn. Read the chapter about estate agents in Freakonomics for more detail – the same principles apply.
Posted by Caitlin on 02/19/2008 at 06:46pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
It is so hard to negotiate when you've been in the job market for months and low on savings. Even if the situation isn't so dire, most people have a natural tendency to want to give the interviewer everything they want. When I interviewed for my first job out of college I had read EVERYTHING on negotiating salary and was coached by several seasoned HR professionals. But when crunch time came I took what they gave me and told myself I'll do better next time.
Posted by Jeremiah on 02/19/2008 at 06:56pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
…whatever salary your paying…
Of course, if you use YOUR when you mean YOU'RE, you might lose a few dollars in compensation :-)
Posted by david on 02/19/2008 at 07:39pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Negotiating salary is such a challenge. Like all things it takes practice to become comfortable at negotiating what you are worth.
Posted by michael cardus on 02/19/2008 at 08:13pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
After 20 years in HR, I agree with the general message of this article, with a few pointers:
1) If you are working with a third party/external search firm, they should give you the range for the position. If they don't have it, don't work with them–their relationship with the hiring company is questionable. You should be able to honestly discuss your compensation history with the external recruiter, and they should advocate for you, regardless of where you are currently paid on the scale.
2) Economics dictate that companies want to buy the most talent for the least money. However, the better companies & hiring managers will do a careful evaluation of what the market is paying currently, as well as the skill sets & current compensation of peers before they start to interview. They have a budgeted range which takes into consideration a candidate's skills, knowledge & experience. Good companies want to pay fairly to keep their top performers & avoid discrimination allegations.
3) Refusing to discuss money may keep you from being selected for the next round of interviews, even if you are a top candidate. It's about saving time, eliminating "tire kicking" & presenting yourself as knowledgeable & confident of your worth. Job seekers should research their market value, just as they should research the potential employer. Stating a ballpark range of $10-15k, with the bottom above what you are currently making, presents you as an interested candidate & keeps the momentum going.
4) Find your market worth by asking professional associations, mentors, and peers at other companies. Even purchasing information from a credible source is a good investment. It's not unusual for individuals to exaggerate their pay, so gather a pool of information & look for trends. You can also ask about a company's reputation for paying well.
5) When discussing the overall compensation & benefits package, it's ok to ask about the compensation philosophy of the enterprise. For example, some pay a slightly-less than market value salary, with a killer bonus (ask what the historical payout has been); others may offer options (ask about vesting etc). This is also valuable information about a company's culture & direction that probably isn't in the mission statement!
Posted by Queijada on 02/19/2008 at 08:15pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
In general I agree with your suggestions. I have frequently negotiated salaries, either giving or receiving. My preference is not to "play games" but to add conditions. So I might say: "My salary requirements are only one part of the total compensation package. I prefer a position with significant upside based on performance but would be willing to consider a higher base salary if the bonus potential is lower. What structure do you use here?" If pushed for a salary number I invert the argument and say "My minimum requirement is $X, (you'd better have a good idea what you want to say before you get this question) for a position and company with an industry leading bonus structure. The way you've described the bonus structure would suggest we would need to go somewhat higher on the base".
Posted by David R on 02/19/2008 at 08:21pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Apologies, I hit send before I was finished …
The second piece is once they have made a salary offer I am happy with I close the negotiations with words to effect of: "I appreciate the efforts you've made to make this work, I think we are close enough that with assurance that this offer is with the range for high performers at this level in your company we'll have a deal. Can you confirm that now or do you need to check on it?" At least twice the written offer has come back higher than the "final" verbal offer. I also make sure to get that last piece in writing as part of the offer.
Posted by David R on 02/19/2008 at 08:28pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Sorry, you lost me at "request a salary higher than the range for the job…and you've just lost money". Can someone explain why that would be?
If the interviewer is interested in establishing your previous salary or current expectations, more often than not he or she may be hoping to low-ball you, but it could sometimes be the case they are really just trying to determine whether then can afford to employ you. I think it depends on the organisation, the position being sought, etc. But if it leads to the interviewer revealing the salary range I do not see where the problem would be to high-ball them, just to break up the pack.
As to the question about your previous salary in an interview setting, I would suggest asking why the interviewer considers that relevant and see where that leads. If you're tough enough to "tough out" salary questions, it seems to me you are capable of being direct and straightforward.
The real problem seems to be how to deal with salary information demands in on-line applications. I sympathise with MariaMH and if it's any consolation I'd rather work with people of her integrity than any number of gouging b'stards (whichever side of the table they sit).
Posted by Terry on 02/19/2008 at 08:29pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
From 2006 – 2007 I negotiated salaries for 2 jobs and moving expenses for the 2nd. The first job I was jobless and rattled and only asked for about 10% more than my previous salary. I regretted that since the workload was brutal and the guy after me made more than double. The 2nd job I did something I'd never done. When the HR recruiter asked how much I made, I told her what I 'wanted' to have made for the current job – which was 20% higher than my actual salary. My request for the new salary was about 35% higher than my existing salary at the time. I was knocked down finally to 20% but that was about 40% more than I currently made.
This might seem unethical but if I followed the 'rules' set out by HR people I wouldn't get anywhere anytime soon. And to be fair the new salary was much more in line with the market for my job type – I just jumped ahead a bit.
Posted by matt on 02/19/2008 at 09:48pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
If they ask, "what is your salary range?" just respond, "am I to consider this a job offer?" If they say no, then say you'll talk salary when you're offered the job. Pretty simple!
Posted by Steve on 02/19/2008 at 11:05pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I've generally worked with recruiters or contract agents and let them manage the compensation portion. I would direct all interviewers to discuss it with my representative as they would know my current salary and expectations. If pressed, I would clearly state that it was the agents policy that we not discuss salary directly with employers. (Warn your recruiter you may use that line first though!)
On the few occasions I've negotiated myself, I've usually be asked "What is your current compensation?" When I was under-valued I would bump up 10% or so and add: "but as you see, I'm actively seeking a new position." Giving them a clear indicator that their offer should be higher, or they won't have much in the way of loyalty. When I was over-valued I would still bump up a bit and add: "but I'm flexible, based on other benefits or performance incentives."
If you're young and inexperienced, find a discussion group for people in your area and in your field and find a good agent. But I wouldn't advise trying it yourself the first time.
Posted by Woody on 02/19/2008 at 11:49pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I have heard of a response to the "How much do you make?" question that seems to make it a "us versus them" scenario:
I would like to discuss my current salary, but as I signed a non-disclosure agreement with my current company that keeps me from discussing any business related proprietary information. You know how competitive the job market is, and if I revealed information about my current company's salary structure, it could be construed as giving you information the company doesn't want in the field. I am sure you understand the nature of the business.
As for a response to "How much do you want?" question, turn the tables and explain that the company is probably limited administratively more to a range than you are, what with internal equity, salary ranges or job bands, etc. Explain that if they were to tell you the range currently associated with the position *and* the factors that determine where in that range candidates are placed (experience, degrees, direct reports or travel, etc.) then we can figure out what's fair.
These scenarios are geared more for larger, more formal companies, not for a small start up (where, let's be honest, how much you make depends on *who you know there* than the experience and hard work you bring).
The one retort I *hate* from the HR person is "How funny, no else has *ever* had any problems discussing their salary with us…but OK……". I hate that psychological pressure of making me feel like I am being difficult or not a team player. I just grin and bear it but it still sticks in my craw!
Posted by Robert in SF on 02/20/2008 at 12:04am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I disagree with the advice not to give a number when asked. Every time I've done it, I've come out well to the good. I won't take up a huge space in your comments saying how, but you can read my blog at the URL above to see a different perspective.
Posted by Editormum on 02/20/2008 at 12:10am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Well, I think you're way off on this one…..(climbing up on soapbox, or high horse now)
As a professional recruiter, my job is to make the best match. There is no benefit for getting a candidate "cheaply" especially on many contingency searches, a recruiter will get a percentage of the comp so therefore getting the most for the candidate is in the recruiter's best interest. But that's small potatoes to finding the right fit and ALL employers now ask candidates for W2 confirmation on what they were making. So what's the point in hedging or bantering?
The other issue is to get away from the attitude that I describe as "buying the house" syndrome. This is where the whole negotiation is viewed by both sides as if it were a house purchase. The buyer wants to get it as cheaply as they can (ie the employer) and the seller wants to get as much as they can (ie the interviewee or candidate). The difference of course is that unlike a house sale, both sides have to live with each other for a long time after the negotiation is finished.
Even though we are in tougher economic times, perhaps a recession, it is still a candidate short market, especially with certain types of positions. My professional advice is transparency and honesty. This is what you are earning, this is what the job pays, we will try to make it attractive to you, but if it does not work, then let's both move on. Time is still the most precious asset that we can never recover so why waste it with clever banter? (in the dating world, lo those many years ago, I was NOT a good game player!).
So, if I'm the interviewer and the candidate comes in with the lines you suggest, and I was working with a recruiter, I will not use that recruiter again…he or she did not do the job right is finding someone that may be a fit. If the person came in on their own, I want a candidate that realizes that every meeting can be worthwhile if a connection is made. In other words, even if it is not a fit, I want every client of mine to have every candidate leaving a meeting singing the client's praises because the interview went professionally and both sides learned something about each oher. The dialogue you suggest is just not in that spirit. I've seen too many people get jobs that were in no way related to the what the first interview was supposed to be for to feel that any kind of banter like you describe in a first meeting would be at all anything but counter-productive.
OK, off the soapbox now, and I don't like horses much anyway.
But, in my humble opinion, for the first time since I've been reading your stuff (which you know I love!), I think you gave bad advice.
Posted by Danny on 02/20/2008 at 12:43am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'd really like to hear (read) what you have to say when the only way to apply for a position is online, and the only way to submit the online application is with a single 'salary requested' figure.
Posted by Milton on 02/20/2008 at 01:02am | permalink | Reply to this comment
My strategy and advice I've been giving to everyone is to state the salary first. And that's the strategy I've been using all the time. I wasn't denied a job because I was a "bad negotiator" either.
One reason is because I know what I'm worth. I do some research to check the salary range for my job with my relevant experience. Then I ask for the appropriate salary based on that range (usually in the upper range). If the company thinks that's too much, then I keep that in mind when I decided which company to work for.
My last job, I was actually offered a higher salary than what I had said initially. Then again that could meant that they budgeted something higher than what I said, and I just undersold myself. Who knows.
But I do see your point. Maybe I should try to play the game if I'm ever in the job market again and see the results.
Posted by JC on 02/20/2008 at 01:04am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
Most companies insist that you put a number first. If you don't they simply get negative vibes and are not interested in furthering the interview. Sorry but HR people think they are the king, and if you can't get over the HR hurdle, yu have no interview with the hiring manager!
Posted by AA on 02/20/2008 at 03:18am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope:
Since so many recruiters have given their views here, it is worth saying the following:
1. If a headhunter is involved, he/ she is beholden to the client and is paid a retainer. BUT for seriously senior roles, his/ her compensation from filling the role is usually linked with what you negotiate for yourself. A more paradoxical situation can possibly never be, because what you negotiate enriches the headhunter who will then become your 'friend' and headhunt you to other positions where you can negotiate for him/ her.
2. If a recruiter is involved, he/ she is usually paid after the assignment is over. In theory he/ she should tell the candidate the salary range upfront but in reality this does not happen due to the incentive structures in place. In theory a recruiter should also help the candidate negotiate but that too does not happen.
Confused yet?
3. So the third scenario is to face the employer directly. Where it is important to understand the "job description" though in truly influential roles, asking for one probably should disqualify you for the job, since you show yourself to be someone tied to job descriptions and not the possibilities arising from the role. (Most senior execs I know practically created their roles in their companies once they were in – and they get paid hand over fist for their capabilities). Anyway so in front of the employer, it is worth asking details and in any case, do your research and back up all that you say, demonstrating your research and networking abilities.
If it truly is an employees' market, as P suggested in a post or two ago, why are you worried after all? In such a situation, should the employee not be able to set the standards or his/ her ability to walk away be taken seriously? Just wondering!
A true employees' market at the moment is India! Capable candidates are overnight doubling salaries and moving to new, more responsible roles with high growth trajectories. Employers are making offers to candidates first and discussing job content later so that they can prevent competitors from laying their hands on good candidates. Sounds like 1980s Silicon Valley? May be.
Posted by Shefaly on 02/20/2008 at 03:33am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hello penelope!
Mind if I make a Spanish traduction of your article?
I´ll send you a literal traduction for you, but I would like to do a little changued version for my own blog in spanish.
Thanks
Posted by frikingeniero on 02/20/2008 at 05:29am | permalink | Reply to this comment
This has become WAY too complicated. I'm a professional corporate recruiter. I have worked for large companies and small ones across industries. I have open positions, and it is my job to fill them with the best MATCHED candidates. Match includes skills set they bring to the position, 'fit' with the team AND desired position for the candidate. I like the people in my company. I want to ADD to the success, not just "fill the seat". If everyone's not happy, along with stressed coworkers, I have more seats to fill all too soon – and I'm NOT on commission. Your desires likely include environment, team, challenge, rewards and compensation. Let's discuss all.
I am asking your salary to make sure we are discussing the right position. It's my job to save people's time and only have them interview viable candidates. If the position pays 60 – 70 and you make 35 – frankly there is a very good chance you are not qualified – or we can talk about why you're underpaid. If the numbers are reversed, you will be insulted after spending time on the phone with me to learn that it pays half of the salary that you are trying to improve upon – clearly this isn't the position for you. Bottom line – it is a conversation. Use the suggestions in the article to START a conversation, not end one. In most companies you are NOT going to get an offer without a signed application to let me know your work/salary history – which is often checked – so why pick this fight.
Answer to the online application question: your desired salary – or a 10% increase over your current salary – whichever is most in line with the market. We're looking for a range, not a bull's eye. You're communicating what position will be a match for you.
This is how I pick a company to work for. I work for companies that pay within the range for the position based on performance – not who negotiated the best deal. I don't want to work anyplace where Joe has done a great job in the role for 2 years and makes 50k, and the last 2 people that came in make more than Joe because they negotiated better and we were desperate. I want to – and do – work where hiring managers and/or HR managers say – "no – we can't go to 55 because Joe's at 50, and I value Joe. They can have 45k and prove themselves". Then we all go home and sleep at night – including Joe.
Posted by maryellen on 02/20/2008 at 05:30am | permalink | Reply to this comment
In spanish:
La respuesta a la pregunta más dura de la entrevista.
En este blog hay muchos consejos sobre como hacer una entrevista: contar buenas experiencias, hacer buenas preguntas. Pero sólo hay una cosa importante que recordar: Cuando te pregunten que salario quieres nunca des tu respuesta primero.
La respuesta correcta a la pregunta ¿Y que sueldo estabas buscando? es casi siempre alguna versión de "no te lo voy a decir".
La persona que dá el primer número estable el punto de partida. Si pides un sueldo más alto que el rango que tienen establecido para el puesto, el entrevistador te dirá que estas demasiado por encima, asi que pierdes el puesto. Si pides menos del limite del puesto, el entrevistador no dirá nada, estas perdiendo dinero.
Asi que solo puedes perder si dices tú primero un numero. Tu quieres que el entrevistador diga primero su número. Quieres que el entrevistador te diga el rango en que se mueve para ese puesto, porque entonces te puedes centrar en pedir más o menos lo más alto que estan dispuestos a ofrecer. Pero no puedes apuntar a lo mas alto si no lo conoces.
Asi que si hay buenos negociadores de sueldos en la sala, se abrirá un juego para ver quien es el primero que tiene que dar el primer número. Afortunadamente la compañia no puede hacerte una oferta sin ofrecer a su vez una cifra, asi que en ese momento las cartas las tienes a tu favor, mientras mantegas tu posición.
Asi que aqui hay una lista de posibles respuestas para todas las formas en que el entrevistador os preguntará cuanto dinero esperais obtener. Cuantas más veces podais "esquivar" la pregunta menos probabilidades tendreis de ser el primero decir una cifra. Esto funciona, incluso cuando no teneis todo a vuestro favor y realmente necesitais el trabajo.
¿Y que rango de salario buscas?
"Hablemos primero de los requisistos del puesto y espectativas, asi me puedo hacer una idea de lo que necesitais" Esta es una respuesta "suave" a una forma "suave" de hacer la pregunta.
¿Cuanto ganabas en tu trabajo anterior?
"El puesto que ofreces no es exactamente el mismo que en mi ultimo trabajo, asi que hablemos cuales serán mis responsabilidades aqui y estimemos entonces un sueldo justo para este puesto". Es dificil para el entrevistador responder a palabras como reponsabilidad o "justo", asi te estas ganando respeto.
¿Que esperas en terminos de sueldo?
"Estoy interesado en encontrar un trabajo que realmente se ajuste a mi. Estoy seguro de que sea el que sea el salario que pagais es correspondiente con el resto del mercado." En otras palabras, tengo respeto por mi mismo y quiero pensar que puedo respetar en esta compañia.
Necesito saber que sueldo quieres de manera que pueda hacerte una oferta. ¿Me puedes ofrecer un rango de salarios?
"Apreciaria si me pudieras hacer una oferta basada en cuanto haceis presupuestado para ese puesto ypodemos partir de ahi". Es una respuesta bastante directa, asi que usar terminos como "apreciar" se centra en ofrecer las mejores cualidades del entrevistado más que su lado más duro.
¿Por que no me quieres decir tus espectativas salariales?
"Creo que teneis una buena idea de cuanto vale este puesto para vuestra empresa, y esa es una informacion importante que deberia saber." Esta es una de los últimos esfuerzos por forzarte a responder una cifra. Mantente en tu linea y ganarás.
Veis el patrón, ¿verdad? Si creeis que pareceis obstinados o "cabezones" al no repsonder su pregunta pensad como se siente él al pregunar lo mismo varias veces. El entrevistador sólo está intentando doblegarte en la negociación. Si te rindes pareceras un negociador mediocre, y eso es precisamente lo que el negociador no está buscando.
Asi que mantened la posición, y entended que el entrevistador está siendo tan insistente como vosotors. Quizas os encoraje saber que estudios dicen que si imitais el comportamiento del entrevistador aumentais las posibilidades de obtener el puesto. Por supuesto, esto se aplica tambien a tono de voz, nivel de entusiasmo y lenguaje corporal, pero ¿quien dice que no se deba aplicar a tecnicas de negociación tambien?
Intentadlo, puede que termineis bastante más ricos.
Posted by frikingeniero on 02/20/2008 at 05:53am | permalink | Reply to this comment
P:
Couldn't agree with you more! In my most recent job (got it last July), my boss asked what salary I was looking for and I responded "You must have something in mind, right?" And he laughed and gave in. But he's a really cool guy and not every employer is.
Posted by GenerationXpert on 02/20/2008 at 08:45am | permalink | Reply to this comment
What if they hand you an "employment application" with the words at the top ALL INFORMATION MUST BE PROVIDED and the signature says it again?
Posted by John Michael on 02/20/2008 at 09:40am | permalink | Reply to this comment
When I read this chapter in your book I chuckled to myself because at first glance I failed this tip miserably. Last year when I got a job I was asked into the boss's office after the interview to "talk" more about things. He asked me and I blurted out the number. After thinking about it I don't think I failed however, and here's why. I blurted out a number that was 25% more than what I was making at my current job. I figured even if they countered I would still have a good raise. They didn't counter, they just accepted the number. With the job I just got salary was never brought up. They offered me a job, I countered and now i'm here. My point is if you have some wiggle room and you are not already at the top of the scale for your position it may not be a bad thing to just get that number out there, especially if you don't "need" a job. Be liberal and see if they bite. To Penelope's point though, I may have been able to get more had I not said anything.
Posted by Matt Bingham on 02/20/2008 at 10:03am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Oh Penelope, I always enjoy your column, but as a professional recruiter (mostly contingency but have also worked onsite as corporate), most of this advice is dangerously wrong!
Here's a little secret….this advice will only work for you if you are a superstar, as in they have to have you and everywhere you go you get offers. Most people just aren't that in demand. So, what happens when you play games like this, especially early on in the process? It is very, very common for you to not get past the first interview. Why? Well, if you're playing games like this and I can't give the hiring manager the information he needs, he may decide, "he/she sounds like trouble, who else do we have?"
Because these questions don't generally come up at the end of the process, they come up at the very beginning. And as someone who says he/she is a recruiter (which I doubt by the way), I have been doing this for almost 15 years, and noone that I know considers this sport.
I usually ask the question on the phone, before a first in-person meeting. Why? To save everyone time.
Here's a tip though, one way you can answer that should work with any recruiter. When I ask you 'What is your current salary?', you can evade the question for a moment if you like, by asking me, 'what's the range for the position?'
I will always tell you. But please know that in my experience most candidates don't hear the full range….they just hear and fixate on the top number (not that I blame them). So, I always explain that it's a range, and that where a person will fall into the range depends on a few factors, their current salary and how that experience relates to the job, and internal equity, meaning how are we paying others in similar roles.
Internal equity is a big factor, huge, in what you are offered. If you are making 100k for instance and others in the group with more experience than you are at 115k, then in most cases, they will offer you somewhere in the 110-115k range, but not above 115k, because that wouldn't be fair to their group. And people talk, and think about how you'd feel in that group if you were making 115k and found out that someone with less experience was hired in at 120k? You probably wouldn't be thrilled….and that's what companies try to avoid.
So, when you are asked for a range of what you are looking for, don't play games. Be confident in your skills and research what the market is paying. A general rule of thumb, if you are going for a somewhat similar role, you can expect a bump in salary in the 10-20% range. It's rare to see more than that, and hard for the company to justify.
So, be aware when you give a range, have that low end be a number you would really be happy with, so if you're making 100k for instance, say you're looking in the 115-125k range, but you're flexible. Leave it at that.
Now when you work with a good recruiter, like me, we do the negotiating for you, and will always tell you salary range on a position up front before you decide to have your resume presented.
There's really no getting around the current salary question I'm afraid. It is one of the benchmarks taken into consideration. Now if you feel it is on the low side, you may want to explain why you accepted it, maybe it was a great chance for you to side step into another industry? Be aware though that if you take a pay cut when you take a job somewhere, that it may haunt you in future negotiations. However, depending on your total years of experience, it might not be that much of a factor, again because of internal equity…which is almost a formula of sorts where they look at total years of experience and how that fits into their salaries, so you could get a good bump up.
But, what you get for a salary is not a number pulled out of thin air. Being evasive on giving salary history is not going to help you because eventually, before an offer is given, you will need to share the information. So why not do it at the outset before you waste your time or the companies? Make sure you're in the ball park!
The way you truly negotiate a higher salary is to stick to your guns and be able to walk away. That's the key, you need to really be able to say, 'no thank you, I can't accept at this number, but I will if you can come to xxx.'
That works….unless it's completely out of the range.
Posted by Pam on 02/20/2008 at 10:15am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I had my first ever interview yesterday and I countered with some version of 'what salary do YOU have in mind?'. It worked in so far as the interviewer gave me a wry smile and a range. But then I didn't know how to react… So my question is, once you've won the 'battle' of not being the first to give a number, how do you negotiate yourself towards the upper end of the scale?
Posted by Vickster on 02/20/2008 at 10:27am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Ahhh Penelope!!! I really wish I would have had this article exactly one week ago! I got a call about a position I really wanted and the HR lady asked a few questions over the phone, one of them being "What kind of salary are you looking for?" I somewhat panicked since I didn't want to answer but didn't know a good way around it. Nonetheless, if I don't get this job I'm glad for the advice for the next time I interview! I love your column when you keep it focused on useful topics like this!
Posted by David H. on 02/20/2008 at 11:26am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm really curious on the range of opinions about this. Some people think this is great advice and say it has worked for them. Others say this is terrible advice and works against the candidate.
So why the two completely different experiences?I think it has to do with the idustry you work in.
Penelope works in a artistic industry. She's a writer. The value of such skills are much more subjective. I imagine that the positions she and her peers interview for, are not very standardized. In these cases, a persons perceived value is very nebulous, so tough negotiating is needed. Such candidate can't really point to specific skills, and add them up to say what they are worth. So the first indication of the job candidates percieved worth is what they list as theyr salary range.
On the other hand, many of us work in industries where our value is much more objective. I myself am a programmer. My value is based on the the number of years experience with specific computer languages and products. My title belongs to a job class that is standardized across the industry. The only wiggle room I have is in how good I am at my job (I like to think I'm above average) and that's not much when you look at the big picture. So such tactics that Penelope suggest would not work well for people like me, and for many others out there.
Posted by Scott Messinger on 02/20/2008 at 11:41am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Scott,
That's a really great point, and as I mentioned this advice does only work if you are a 'superstar' or truly unique as an artist type is. For the majority, it just doesn't work and will backfire on you because each job has a definite range, and budget and playing games with hr/hiring managers isn't going to get you far.
Posted by Pam on 02/20/2008 at 12:00pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
wow these were some awesome tips in answering, not answering the question that all interviewers ask…thanks for posting
Posted by gioperation on 02/20/2008 at 12:32pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
What if i ask for a range, and she gives me an upper range that is lower than what i am worth.
For example, if i am worth 60000, and the HR gives me the range as 40000 – 50000, what do i do then?
R
Posted by Ramesh on 02/20/2008 at 01:02pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Ramesh,
If the range is below what you are looking for, just say so, and if they say it's a firm range, then you just say forget it. Unless you are willing to take a pay cut, which usually is not a good idea. Better to find out at the beginning rather than after you've wasted time for a job that won't pay what you need.
Posted by Pam on 02/20/2008 at 01:37pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Dear Editormum,
If an employer asked me for a W-2 confirmation, that would end the conversation right there! Not a chance in hell would I give them that. Either I'm right for the job or I'm not. I'll perform full disclosure once I'm hired and then ONLY if my job requires that disclosure for conflict of interest reasons.
I'm doing full financial disclosure just to get the job for anyone. That's my business!
People so often forget…to me it's my life…to them, it's a job. BIG difference.
Posted by Baceman Chris on 02/20/2008 at 02:22pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
to John, re: ALL INFORMATION MUST BE PROVIDED.
If you would like to continue the process, fill it out completely. You can hold it, take it into the interview with the salary blank and say "I have to check the exact figure, but I feel I was underpaid there. Is salary history a big factor in determining an offer?" Then – be quiet – and listen to the answer.
To continue being considered for this company, you will need to complete it. If it REALLY bugs you to have to do it, then look at another company – probably a smaller one. This one may not be a fit.
I also suggest only answering the salary question once per company – ideally to the recruiter/hiring manager at the beginning of the process. Sometimes 4 interviewers will each ask you – they're just being nosey! They don't all have an impact on the salary decision. It's fine to say that you discussed that with the recruiter or HM already, and change the subject.
Posted by Maryellen on 02/20/2008 at 03:17pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I always thought that the tried and true rule was that you didn't discuss salary until AFTER you had a job OFFER. In an interview? I don't think candidates should have to discuss salary at all. After the interview is a different story.
But reading some of these recruiter's responses, maybe times have changed and it is now deemed acceptable? Personally, I'm uncomfortable being asked about salary in the interview stage.
Posted by Flying Squirrel on 02/20/2008 at 03:28pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I am currently negotiating for a new position. The application required salary requirements to be considered. I gave my answer as a range–the low end of which is 15% more than I'm currently making. I'm probably not qualified for a job that pays any higher. To be sure, I always check sites like Salary.com to do a little profiling. Very helpful. There are ways to "win" without being coy or beligerant. You just have to be smart. If the range I gave was out of their range, then they wouldn't have called me back…and I still would've won. Most recruiters are good folks who like people and are just as uncomfortable talking about it as you are. The goal is getting the right person for the right job at a salary that makes both sides happy. Work with them to make it a win-win, and you'll come out ahead.
Posted by Brent on 02/20/2008 at 05:19pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I usually e-mail from a separate address not connected to my name asking what the salary is if I have doubts.
Posted by Roman on 02/20/2008 at 06:29pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
THANK YOU! I've tried to figure this out on my own but have never heard some concrete examples like you provided. And I know I used to be dramatically underpaid. When I moved to my present company, I managed to get the interviewer to name a salary, and her first offer was double what I was currently making.
Kinda hard at that point not to stand up and say, "SCORE!"
Posted by Carolyn Bahm on 02/20/2008 at 07:24pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I have to say, as an HR professional without a lot of time on my hands, I get very annoyed with people who won't tell me their salary expectations. I don't want to waste time with someone who wants way more than I can offer. If they aren't willing to answer the question with at least a target salary range, I won't continue the interview process. It sounds tough, but like everyone else in the business world, I'm busy and time is essential. I ask about salary in the telephone interview and reconfirm at the final interview. I appreciate people who know what they want.
Posted by Lisa on 02/20/2008 at 09:17pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Lisa –
As an HR professional without a lot of time on your hands, why wouldn't you state the range you have in mind for the position? If salary is the key factor, you could state your range when you invite the candidate for an interview and you'll know that everyone is on the same page.
If you don't state your expectations, it seems to me that you are playing games with the applicant. (Obviously you have a budget for the job, right?) Hopefully, your applicants have the option to find an employer who is willing to treat them with respect.
Posted by Miriam Salpeter on 02/20/2008 at 09:53pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Miriam- excellent reply. I challenge all you HR professionals to respond to Miriam's challenge. As I have read the comments, the overwhelming theme seems to be HR pros don't want to waste time with candidates that won't state a number.
I had wondered why it falls upon the candidate to go first. It seems that integrity is at stake, and if a number is important to "you", then you should be the first to give that number. Such as the HR pros. If it it so vital, give the candidate the range and then ask for a number.
If a candidate is willing to wait for the number, it is obviously not so pressing. It is obvious that the candidate know they cannot get a job offer without a salary offer. They can wait.
It has been known that a candidate will show up with the same attitude as the HR Pros, not wanting to waste time, therefore wanting to know the range up front. If it is the candidates litmus test, then they should be willing to give their salary requirements first, then ask the range.
As for salary history, crapola. Never has it been honorable or honest to ask the salary range. It is simply an attempt to lowball as much as possible. While trying to get the best price is traditional tactics, and probably not dishonest in and of itself… please don't try to portray it as anything else. The job history and previous duties are the indication of what the candidate is capable of and worth… not the previous salary.
Posted by Michael Cortes on 02/21/2008 at 08:46am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I agree with the questions Miriam and Michael Cortes just posed. If it's such a big deal for an HR rep, they should just state the salary range themselves. In my experience though, I've always been told the range without much fuss (though I usually parry the first 'what are you expecting as a salary' question.)
It's amusing that most of the disagreements are from professional recruiters.
That said, Pam, I like your candor. Do you work with placing financial analysts? If Penelope doesn't mind, can you post a way for potential recruits to contact you?
Posted by Finance Monk on 02/21/2008 at 10:23am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'll give a range if asked and remind the candidate of the various benefits offered. But, the range I'll share won't go to the top of my budget – would you provide that knowing that candidates are going to always come back at the top of the range based on advice from blogs like this one? And, if a candidate does state their expectation at the top of the range, without taking into consideration their experience (and equity within my org – which of course they can't know about) than they've quoted themselves out of the job. It's much more helpful to me for the candidate to share their TRUE expectation so that I can determine if they are a good fit.
Posted by Lisa on 02/21/2008 at 10:31am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I had an interview 6 months ago with an older Texan guy. He asked about my salary expectations and I sort of pussy-footed around it like you're describing. Heh, he got very blunt and said "cut the new age whoo-eey and tell me what you want to make" to which I responded lightning fast "75k sir" and he said "if we decide to offer you the job it'll probably be at least 80". I got the job and he was right.
I think interviewers are wising up to people playing this game. I'm sure some people could have dealt with it better than I but if you really want a job (and I did, I didn't need the job, but I really wanted to work at this place) as an interviewee you don't want to look like an arrogant prick.
Posted by Josh on 02/21/2008 at 11:43am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I would be curious to know if you have used this exact approach and how much luck you have found…
I would say the first answer is adequate because why would you give a salary based off a position you know nothing about?
also I am at a point wher I get recruiters calling me so if they want me and I am not looking I ask them to give me the salary range before I talk about anything else… or I don't move forward.
Posted by B on 02/21/2008 at 11:45am | permalink | Reply to this comment
This technique may work at senior levels but junior level employees all the way up to mid-management might just annoy the hiring manager by playing this game. The tactics you describe may also be more effective in start-ups/entrepreneurial environments than in large companies.
In many companies the salary for a job isn't that flexible and in some cases, it is fixed with almost no room for negotiation. If I were the recruiter or hiring manager and someone played this game with me it would annoy me…as a hiring manger in large companies (Deliotte, Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago) I always wanted to offer new employees as much as I possibly could and by the time we reached the salary discussion I would have already lobbied with my superiors to offer as much as I could to attract the new hire.
If you want to negotiate sometimes its not the salary that you should be negotiating because of aforementioned reasons. If the salary isn't negotiable try to get a larger signing bonus, more perks, more time off, or a company car. Many times hiring managers can offer more flexibility on those sorts of things than they can on the salary.
Posted by Liz Handlin on 02/21/2008 at 11:58am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I once received an insulting salary offer from a company. They added that, "The economy is really bad right now and we're scooping people up at great rates!" When I balked at their offer (which was so far off from what I would even consider that I tried not to laugh), they decided to send me to the COO. The COO tried to tell me it was a competitive offer. Then he said, "Well, that should be enough for anyone to live on." I knew right then and there that I did not want to work for that company. I knew they would never tell a man that $40k a year was enough to live on in one of the most expensive cities in the world. And, further to that, they obviously were focused on lowballing, not paying for value. They were pretty shocked when I walked away and wouldn't even consider their next offer, which was considerably higher.
Posted by Andrea C>> Become a consultant blog on 02/21/2008 at 06:44pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This seems like great advice for any private company but I work for a public institution where salary ranges for positions are set, published and the person interviewing can easily access your current salary. Because everything is transparent ,or so it seems, I'm not sure how to handle salary negotiations. I just interviewed for a position and they offered me the job. Then we talked salary. This was the second time I was asked what salary would make me happy. I already knew what the established range for the position was and managed to avoid giving a number the first time around but the second time around I ended up feeling pressured to give a number so I gave what I thought was fair based on comparisons with people having the same type of responsibilities. But now I'm feeling like I shot myself in the foot. Should I have not given a number? What is the best way to handle these negotiations when most information is transparent?
Posted by Anonymous on 02/22/2008 at 02:39am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Anonymous,
Penelope's recommendations are geared for situations where information is hidden from both parties, and there's a race to gain information advantage. This has to be modified for specific situations like yours. (As you see from the diversity of comments – a lot of variation in what works and why!)
You entered your salary negotiation with an information advantage that most of the others in this thread don't have: knowing the salary range for the job.
When things are already pretty transparent, you're still well served by delaying the conversation until you understand the job (which you did).
The only other thing I might suggest (which you may have tried): when the time comes for someone to name a number within the range, say something like this:
"Based on what you know regarding the needs of the job [and organizations goals, etc] and what I bring to the table, what salary do you think is fair?" Whether you think their number is low or not, ask them to explain it. Then be prepared to explain what you want and why.
If they push you to answer your own question first, mention that it's not your goal to make anyone uncomfortable with your questions. Then simply ask them why they don't feel comfortable answering your honest question. (Watch your tone: you're asking the other person to trust you and engage in a candid conversation. If you sound pushy or condescending or anything other than trustworthy and honest, you're done.)
And better than anyone else on this thread, *you* will know if such an approach may work for you and your organization next time – or if you're better off doing what you did last time.
As noted elsewhere in this thread: successful salary negotiations aren't competitive situations where one party gets to win at the other's expense, The End. You'll need some amount of (mutual) candor and trust to get anything done once you work there. What you say, when you say it, and how you say it are all going to be part of establishing that. The same applies across the table. They work within their own constraints and must earn your trust within those constraints.
Observe your environment, weigh what will fly in it, and decide how you want to proceed.
Good luck!
Posted by a-nonny. on 01/11/2009 at 05:57pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Awesome advice on the NDA, btw.
Posted by Andrea C>> Become a consultant blog on 02/22/2008 at 02:46am | permalink | Reply to this comment
As an interviewer…. I don't feel obnoxious or annoying when I keep asking the question. I just feel sad that people don't understand why this is a necessary discussion. When you reach the point where you need to know that person's expectations, it means you are interested in them, and not in "dancing".
Posted by Andra on 02/22/2008 at 07:01am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm not so sure I agree with this point: "The person who gives the first number sets the starting point. But if that’s you, you lose." – I feel it depends on how well prepared you are, and how well you know yourself and your market.
For example, having job offers (in writing) from other companies on hand is a useful way to justify your worth. This tactic certainly simplifies the whole process. No having to beat around the bush.
Using the above technique is especially useful when it is time to negotiate a raise. On the flipside, if your request for a raise is turned down, you should be willing to resign for them alleged greener pastures.
I guess it comes down to your personality type. Not everyone enjoys the negotiating game.
When you're the best in your field at what you do, you write your own paycheck. Until you reach that point, work for as little as possible in jobs where you gain the most experience (assuming you're young enough to enjoy the short-term loss leader that is).
Posted by Kosta Kontos on 02/22/2008 at 09:07am | permalink | Reply to this comment
How does one respond when, as part of the application process, the company requires a pay stub from your current/previous position? I've run into this awkward position a couple of times. Certainly takes away any bargaining power one may have.
Posted by Gray on 02/22/2008 at 11:12am | permalink | Reply to this comment
If they request a paystub or W-2, I'm not intrested. I have options, thank God.
That's my business and it's only theirs if an offer is on the table. Of course, you never should lie about your compensation. I think that's equally unethical.
Posted by Baceman on 02/22/2008 at 11:23am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm in a highly-specialized field so my experiences might not be relevant to this discussion, but I have never had much trouble with the salary question. There are very few people doing the work I do, we all know how much each-other make, and we know what the market demands.
What shocks me is how often interviewers will try to BS me by saying that their too-low offer is "what the market is offering." It happened a few weeks ago when a company tried to lowball me by $40,000. In these cases I always walk. If a company can't be honest I don't want to work with them.
I don't think there is anything to be gained from being stingy with salaries. In my experience, employers who look to minimize salaries are miserable places to work. I'd much rather work with a company that doesn't mind paying for talent and is more interested in growing a business than a company that is obsessed with cutting costs.
Posted by Hal on 02/22/2008 at 12:15pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
this once again raises a question I've had — are there Agents that act on behalf of employees; like sports/entertainment agents? if anyone has heard of such a thing, I'd be very interested to hear how it works.
Posted by chris on 02/22/2008 at 02:00pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Pen is right in all cases, professional recruiters be damned. However the role of the hiring manager has been overlooked.
In my nearly 20 years in middle exec to C-level positions I have staffed plenty of positions and have negotiated my own comp package in close to a dozen.
Except for entry-level positions, the hiring manager has an annual compensation budget that he must stay within *unless* a special situation (say the chance to recruit a known rainmaker) gives him reason to ask his superiors for an exception. The decision loop for that exception always runs from the hiring manager through his superior chain and then to accounting. HR plays only an administrative role.
I have known of cases where HR had to consider a special situation hire. In every case the recruiter submitted a case that essentially said 'I know this person is very valuable but we're bound by our salary range, so please endorse my rejection.'
My practice, and my advice, are to: A)Make it your goal to discuss your financial negotiating position only with the hiring manager, while; B)Using Pen's advice to extract the employer's position from them.
You are negotiating a business deal just like any other. And you and the hiring manager are the principal, whereas HR are mere agents. You serve your best interests by knowing their ultimate goals without them knowing yours. And as a principal, you negotiate only with other principals.
Posted by Marc on 02/22/2008 at 03:07pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I strongly disagree with Marc's comment. As an HR professional working in a large, corporate environment, it's insulting to read someone name me as a "mere agent" that "plays only an administrative role." In my organization, HR does all salary negotiations, the Hiring Manager has no discretion to hire outside of the set ranges. Yes, Hiring Managers have a budget but imagine what would happen to internal equity if Hiring Managers could offer people whatever they wanted!
Hey, if Hiring Managers want to take on the entire recruitment process (draft advertisements, screen resumes, do telephone interviews, schedule in person interviews, call references, administer background checks, call declined candidates, negotiate salary within the organizations salary grades, write offer letters, plan and schedule orientations and training, follow-up on progress after hire) I'd be happy to let them – it's certainly not my favorite part of my job.
I look at the Hiring Manager and I as a team – we work together using our specialized skills to find the right fit – I use my recruitment and HR knowledge to ensure a fair and equitable process and internal equity in regards to salary; they use their Management skills and functional knowledge to determine if the candidate has the skills and experience to do the job and is a good fit for their team.
Posted by Lisa on 02/22/2008 at 04:04pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Our employer does not allow us to ask about salaries during a job interview. If someone does, they get criticised and told that their question is inappropriate.
Posted by Janine on 02/22/2008 at 09:36pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Marc,
Not a good approach. At most companies it's hr/the recruiter you'll be negotiating salary with. The hiring manager and hr person are on the same team, hr is not out to thwart you, the goal is to get you on board, if you're the candidate the hiring manager wants. At a very small company with no hr department you might negotiate directly with hiring mgr, but other than that it's hr you need to go through. Don't underestimate the influence of hr either…if you are arrogant and condescending to us, the hiring manager will know about it…and they do value our opinion, especially when they are trying to make a decision between several candidates.
Posted by Pam on 02/23/2008 at 10:21am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Many great points already made. In a nutshell?
1. Understand that "pay equity" issues are real for the employer – so they do have parameters. Salary survey information is valuable to establish a baseline.
2. Superstars and Mavericks can do a lot of things, but in my experience, their requests get turned down quite a bit too.
3. Know your BATNA (Best Alternative To a Negotiated Agreement). In other words know where you will walk away and what your options are if your needs are not met with this offer.
At what offer level do the alternatives (look elsewhere, stay where you are etc) look more attractive?
Posted by Marcia Robinson on 02/23/2008 at 11:00am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I am a Quality Assurance Manager and I am looking for work at the moment (mainly in start-ups) if I get asked this question early on in the interview process I tend to say, "Can you give me more information about the job such as how many people I will be managing so I can give you an answer proportionate to the responsibilities?"
This kind of answer is neither evasive nor does it seem that you don't want to answer particularly because the range of salaries for QA are subject to the specific job description and this sort of information usually gives an idea of where in the salary charts this job falls.
Does this work for anyone else?
Posted by Jonathan on 02/24/2008 at 01:44pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
@ Jonathan:
Jon, that sounds like a great response to me. I am also a QA Manager looking for work. Are you in biotech? In the San Francisco Bay Area? If so, then you have already heard chapter and verse of the Radford Salary Survey…the secret tome of salaries and position descriptions. That thing is the bible to HR in biotech out here. Most companies will say that they will pay according to Radford (which includes a *broad* range), but your answer shows the influence you have over the placements within the range provided.
I don'y (yet) manage people since I tend to focus on the compliance side of QA rather than product review…so I can't use the "how many people", "what kind of resource pool" questions.
But I like your specific answer…I will have to think about what makes each job I interview for challenging and unique, and use that as my metric. Thanks for the inspiration!
Posted by Robert in SF on 02/24/2008 at 03:33pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Danny, Penelope did not give bad advice. She gave advice that doesn't suit you as a recruiter. It's actually GOOD advice for candidates.
Within a salary differential of $5k-$15k, your commission does not really change that much. Your interest is in placing a candidate, one that will be a 'good fit' (ie. they'll stay long enough for it not to backfire on the recruiter), sure but your interest is not in getting the absolute maximum salary out of the employer. Only the candidate has the candidate's interests truly at heart.
People have spoken about time wastage and there is an easy solution to that. The employer should advertise the salary range. If the salary range is in the job ad or disclosed to the recruiter or the candidate at interview stage, then there is no time wastage. Time wastage only occurs when BOTH the employer and the candidate are not willing to talk salary first. In my opinion, it's the company that should be more open about their plans and expectations, not the candidate.
Posted by Caitlin on 02/25/2008 at 07:40am | permalink | Reply to this comment
@ Robert in SF:
Rob, don't worry mate we aren't competing for the same jobs (kidding); I am based in Israel and work in the hi-tech (mainly web) field.
All these comments on time wastage are true; the number of ridiculous interviews I have gone on as a result of headhunters not listening to my requirements e.g. absolutely, utterly no outsourcing jobs … I would rather have root canal treatment.
Posted by Jonathan on 02/25/2008 at 04:17pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Caitlin,
I couldn't agree with you more. Very well stated. It's been my experience that a "sucker is born every minute." My advice to candidates is that you always need to do your due diligence and be as well informed as possible. Recruiters (external & internal) are not out for your best interests. I've found most of them to be unethical and absolute liars. It's all a game. Good luck to everyone and take care of yourselves.
Posted by JoeG on 02/25/2008 at 04:25pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
What if you have to apply via a web form that has a field for salary?
Posted by dewey1973 on 02/26/2008 at 02:23am | permalink | Reply to this comment
this was the most stupid advice I've ever seen… The employee ask you for an information and you refuse to give, you will look like a freak.
my advice is to first impress the interviewer, and when he asks for a salary range, simply give a very high salary, the interviewer will obviously say this is much higher than what they expected, which was (and now he says his possible salary, and probably the top limit, so he will not feel so bad for decreasing your expected value). From that, you just have try to convince him that you deserve your proposed salary. The worst thing that can happen is you start working with the top salary possible from their original range.
Posted by alan on 02/26/2008 at 06:06am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I wasn't always able to be the second one to say a number and I suppose that if I was experienced I would have oped better in the situation. I am self employed now and look at the whole monetary negotiations a little different.
Posted by Gloria on 02/27/2008 at 07:34am | permalink | Reply to this comment
In sport, 90% of excellent execution comes from knowing in advance what you are going to do given a particular situation. The same can be said for going into this situation. Be prepared for what is going to come, and have the intestinal fortitude to do what you planned in practice sessions.
Nice post!
Posted by Dale on 02/27/2008 at 04:58pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
How would you deal with this requirement from a online ad
"Please include a cover letter, including salary requirement, with resume"
A well known manufacturing company – mid level tech position
Unless I guess the magic number, my resume gets sent to the circular file unread!
They don't seem to want to provide "state of the art" compensation to enable employees to be "challenged to go beyond the confines of ordinary thinking, search for creative solutions and turn those solutions into reality"
Yet the HR page trumpets: "XXXXXX places a high value on the talent of its Team Members and believes in rewarding them for their efforts. "
They just reward those who play their game
I am considering this position, due to my present state of unemployment.
It is a lower level position but it is out of the city, which in my area translates to an easy $5000 savings just for parking and fuel. So I would look at any position that has hassle free access outside of the gridlock as handing me an additional $5k hidden bonus over their offer just in personal convenience. Conversely, I would not consider a job in the heart of the gridlocked city for less a minimum $10K increase for the same or less responsibility.
So Do I just tell them that my salary requirements are negotiable depending on the rest of the compensation? Or say " My salary requirements are commensurate with the industry norm for this position"
Thanks,
Nosmo
Posted by nosmo on 03/08/2008 at 02:02pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
What would you suggest for someone who is changing careers to a lesser-paying field? If someone is earning $200+ in finance and moving to an HR position (understanding she will take a cut), is the previous salary essentially irrelevant? Should you tell the recruiter your last salary to show what you have been worth?Career moves like this have become a trend.
Lisa
* * * * * *
The previous salary is irrelevant becuase it is a reflection of your worth in the finance industry. You need to find out your worth in the HR industry. It's apples and oranges.
–Penelope
Posted by Lisa on 03/10/2008 at 11:50am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Ugh!!!
If you have a salary with you which are dissatisfied — IT IS YOUR FAULT. The HR person didn't screw you. The hiring manager didn't screw you. The company didn't screw you. You set or agreed to a market value for your services that, upon research, seems misaligned.
If you are finding this out after the fact, you failed to do the research you should have done when you began your search. If the market conditions that led to your acceptance of the terms you were offered have changed, you simply have not responded to those market conditions and asked for a raise. In either case — look in the mirror.
I get a little frustrated when I hear comments from people suggesting that "HR People think they are kings" or "the hiring manager was mean." I have been an HR Manager. I have been an Operations Manager. I have been a headhunter. I have been overpaid. I have been underpaid. You know who "fixed it" when it was fixed? Yours truly. You know who was at fault when it didn't work? That'd be me too.
Do your research. Know your market (both industry and region) and confidently answer the question when the recruiter/hiring manager/hr person asks it. Dragging it out is coy and, frankly, you could very well be wasting your time as well any of the people with your potential future employer who can't hire you if you cost too much. But if you're respectful and have done your research, you just might get directed to another department where your skills, experience and salary requirements can be better accomodated.
The poster who noted that some companies have differeing philosophies on variable compensation made a good point. If you want to hedge your bet you can say, "I currently earn $xxx, with a fairly predictable x% bonus. Can you help me understand your philosophy on base pay vs. variable comp so I can give you a more intelligent answer on exactly what my salary requirements would be if you were to offer me this role?"
Lastly — don't lie. I know there is a school of thought that says you should inflate your current comp. It's increasingly common to require salary verification with job offer and most companies will terminate you if you falsify an application. As third party reference checking increases in popularity, look for this trend to continue.
Posted by Scott on 03/17/2008 at 03:45pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I just the folks here saying "this dancing", "this game-playing", etc…
Okay…How about we play fair…And interviewers, etc. tell us exactly what the budgeted salary range for the position is, so we can…Either say "Sorry, it's not a good fit", "Yes, I am in the ceiling of that range", "that works for me" or something…
If we are at the point of talking money – it means we are interested in the people, the company, the industry, and the position.
If we are willing to be flexible enough to say – YOU set the range…And we will still give you our best…WHY on earth would it make sense to force us to shoot us in the foot either on the up or downside?
Posted by Craig S. Kiessling on 03/18/2008 at 08:46pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks for the advice on negotiating a salary. I am a student attending UW-Milwaukee and will be graduating soon. Knowing the importance of having the employer or interviewer give the interviewee a salary range first is an important point to remember. Also, telling them you need a day to think about their offer, and then counter offering with a higher amount later is great advice.
Posted by Jonathan on 04/03/2008 at 11:37pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I guess this really depends upon where you are in your career and your life. I am of the opinion that if I have thoroughly researched the position, I have an excellent idea of what it should pay. I believe that if they are asking for your salary requirements, they are likely attempting to low-ball you anyway.
In this situation, I know what it is I am looking for in terms of salary and wouldn't want to work for less anyway. I would be tempted to give them MY requirements and see if they can meet it. I wouldn't last six months working for less than my range anyway.
Of course, this is oversimplification from someone whose been self employed for quite some time now. The negotiation strategies mentioned by Penelope are the best strategies to implement for the masses, my personality is just such that I lack the patience for the "dance".
Posted by William Mitchell, CPRW on 04/25/2008 at 11:21pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Here's a really good answer:
$80,000 a year, although I would go down to $75,000 a year if there was something very interesting about the job that would give me the opportunity to learn something new. If the position turns out to be particularly valuable in terms of doing new things and learning new things, I might go as low as $70,000, but not a penny below that.
The idea of not saying a number can be baloney.
I once asked someone who made 50% more than I how he did it. We both had the same job skills. I was actually a little better.
He said that when he emailed a resume, his very brief email included the amount he was looking for. If you say you're an $80,000 a year person, that's how they think of you.
Just take your current salary / hourly rate, add 20% or 40%, and there you have it.
People HATE buying a car, because the guy won't quote a price. Why be a jerk?
Tell them how much you cost. Give them a little range, so they can feel they have negotiated you down a little from your top rate.
Posted by Greg on 12/29/2008 at 03:16pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Some good comments and rejoinders!
The thing I’d have to say to everyone countering Penelope’s advice is – have you ever tried it? I’d ask the HR and recruiters that, too, rather than speak to the hiring side.
I've been placed three in the last 10 years through recruiters. Twice I didn’t get them to name a number first, and both times I could have received better compensation.
And remember, your starting salary affects your raises forever.
The third time, when recruiters called me I gave them multiple numbers for my current compensation. I’d start with the literal number and then translate that into an adjusted gross pay, taking into consideration the differences in work hours, overtime eligibility, vacation pay, personal days, and all other days off.
I told recruiters I wouldn’t consider leaving for a net loss of compensation.
I think having this kind of spreadsheet handy, where you can see how your hourly value fluctuates based on vacation pay and overtime eligibility and parameters, gives you a lot of information to squelch bad offers. Also, if you have that interview where they’ve basically courted you but you don’t know any of the details, you can explain compensation parameters for you.
For my current job, I called recruiters and asked them what skills they would need to see for the salary ranges I wanted to be considered for. I rewrote my resume and took on projects that demonstrated competence for the most in-demand skills.
I interviewed several rounds and when the recruiter said they were writing an offer, but it would be lower than the $10k range we had agreed I wanted to be submitted for.
I told him he'd wasted everyone's time because I would not even hear an offer from him less than that, and if the other compensation factors weren't tempting, even my salary floor wouldn't be enough.
All of this is to say, that with recruiters, you should follow Penelope's advice and STILL get them to name the number first. Do what I did — find the pay ranges and positions they have on offer and market yourself for those positions.
For people dealing with online submissions, there are still phones. You can call HR for a company or a recruiter and say, “Hi, I’m curious if this is a junior or senior position. I don’t want to bother submitting if the pay range isn’t appropriate for my skills and experience.” Use Salary.com and other sites to appraise the range and factors that affect annual salary.
I even did this as a completely inexperienced college kid registering at temp agencies. I called and told them I had great skills and didn't want to waste time if they didn't have clients able to pay for my skills.
Everyone likes to say "depending on experience," but it's key to find out what the experience required before you even send them a resume.
Sometimes you’ll find out they have more than one job. Or you’ll find out that they might want to place someone junior for less money but could pay more for someone with your experience.
Get them to name the number and the requirements and total compensation.
Penelope's point to get them to name the price first holds true here, especially for recruiters.
I’ve tried her advice. It works. I wish I’d had someone articulate it ten years ago!
Posted by Gib on 12/30/2008 at 03:21pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Well, I suppose trying not to speak first of salary… maybe that would work in some cases, but….
In my situation, I’m usually looking for some kind of fair increase compared with my current/previous job. For people in a specific industry, we all pretty much know, more or less, the ranges of most jobs in the local area.
So I would normally say, “My current salary is X”.
If they can’t beat my current salary, I’d hear about it quick.
If they can, I’d hear about that too.
I’ve had no problems saying my current salary.
I guess the attempt at getting the prospective employer to make an offer first is to see if you can get something more than a normal increase. That might be possible, and then again, it might not.
Often I’ve been asked “What’s you current salary?” rather than “What’s your salary range?”.
I have heard of places that say, “OK. Bring in your current pay stub” before they make an offer. If you’ve verbally inflated your salary, you’d be stuck.
So, for me, I stick to my reality. If they expected to pay a lot more than I am currently earning, and I come ‘cheap’, then it means they would not find it difficult to increase my salary next time raises come along.
–Joe
Posted by Joe on 01/15/2009 at 01:14am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I don't think the problem comes from being the first one to give a number. The problem comes from not clearly communicating your worth.
Obviously, salary is a big part of the job-hunting experience. If it's that important to you, you should be on the phone with the HR department before you even send in a resume. I've done this myself, especially with government/educational employers who list a salary classification. A five or ten minute call with the result of finding out the salary is too low saves me the time of spending an hour or more preparing a targeted resume, saves the company the effort of reading that resume, and can save us both the time of conducting an interview.
If you're asked what you're currently making, I'd suggest answering with your current salary and then indicating that you're experience makes you worth more.
You should already have an idea what kind of salary to expect before you even send in your resume so that when you're asked a salary range, you can give an intelligent answer.
Most important, however, is to know what your options are. Do you NEED the job? If so, why jeopardize the job by potentially alienating the interviewer? If you don't need the job, then be honest about what you expect when you're asked, and decide ahead of time whether you're willing to make a counter offer if you're not satisfied.
Posted by Vince on 01/15/2009 at 11:29am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I applied for a job working with a non profit. I have had some experience, but only graduated 2 years ago so I am fairly new or entry level. The non profit wrote back after I sent my application in asking for my salary requirements. I am struggling on my response because I do not want it to be too little, but also don't want to ask too much. Any advice?
Posted by Dakota on 02/09/2009 at 11:39am | permalink | Reply to this comment
From my experience the size of the salary has less or nothing with one's technical or professional level. It all comes with the ability to negotiate and knowing your price.
Posted by Andrew on 03/14/2009 at 10:48pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This sparks some thoughts I've got to get out and organize before they dissipate. Much is made of salary negotiations, but bottom line is that for most jobs there will be more or less an industry standard range for that position. If you haven't managed to figure out what it is until you are actually in that industry, you will eventually. If you are paid significantly higher than that, you become a mark on your employers balance sheet they cringe at if they even hired you in the first place. If you are paid significantly lower than that, you will be highly dissatisfied when you inevitably find out and lose motivation if not consider leaving. This isn't good for the company either. If the job is to be any kind of long term prospect it's in both the interest of you and the company to agree on a salary that is competitive by industry standards.
I'm generally not fond of adversarial "hardball" style negotiation. You're looking for partners not adversaries. If this is the way you approach it, you're still doing little better than a guessing game anyway. Ideally, you do a little "price shopping" research beforehand by looking at salary surveys and talking to people in the know. You aren't really giving up much by stating a salary range at the upper end of what your research has revealed as the standard range. Maybe you'll get extremely lucky and find a company that doesn't have a clue and would be willing to pay way more, but I wouldn't count on it.
Posted by Brian on 03/17/2009 at 09:53pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Employers who ask for "a salary requirement" are not dealing in good faith. What employee in their right mind would negotiate against themselves? This new practice is just a way for employers to circumvent the acceptable tents of "an offer for performance." Perhaps employers are not aware that they are laying the seeds for serious employee backlash who will respond by foregoing the Protestant Work Ethic if they feel they were undercut based on their educational background and experience.
Posted by Joanne Tomarchio on 04/29/2009 at 11:22am | permalink | Reply to this comment
oh, if i only had read this blog a few weeks ago…….things for me would be very different right now
Posted by Michael on 06/02/2009 at 05:23pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm not too sure about this advice. What if you've done your research and have a very good idea about how much the job should pay? In that case, there could be a case for just stating something in that ballpark. If that dollar amount would make you more than happy, why not just go for it? If the employer comes back with something less, then you negotiate towards your number. Otherwise, the possibility of leaving money on the table doesn't seem so bad if the money makes you happy anyway — Plus, you wouldn't have to go through the stress of negotiation. Yes, it could be stressful for some people.
Posted by Steve Nguyen on 06/24/2009 at 01:54pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
There is no other way to "call" the "what is your salary requirement" except to say it's the 21st Century way for
employers to undercut employees. Let's be realistic here and admit that the tried and true method of advertising a job opening worked for decades and always included a job description/requirement and a salary amount which allowed a perspective applicant the choice to apply or not to apply based on that information. It sort of resembles a "contract" wherein an offer is made for a performance with a dollar amount or "consideration." Government agencies are not permitted to "omit" a salary as it is considered "bad faith."
Unless employees truly understand that they are being forced to negotiate against themselves they will unwittingly be placing themselves in a situation to be
exploited.
Posted by Joanne Tomarchio on 07/15/2009 at 10:55pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I just went on an interview during which the employer asked me what my range is to make sure neither party is "wasting time with mismatched expectations". I made the mistake of giving him a range. A week later I got the offer that was 3% (of the salary offered) lower than what I said the low end of my range is. Could I negotiate at least up to my low end? At that point, the offer would be acceptable to me.
Posted by cat on 07/21/2009 at 10:20pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Any help would be greatly appreciated as I do need to either counter or accept before thursday :)
Posted by cat on 07/21/2009 at 10:21pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I was asked by a professional recruiter about my salary expectation I replied "I would expect a salary that is in line with the level and responsibilities of the job, my experience, and the positive and significant contributions I can offer your client." The next day I received an email from her stating the possible salary range of the position I applied for. She asked me "What is your current salary please?" Will it be right to answer her giving the exact figure I am presently receiving or should I not answer her question.
Posted by Neo on 07/23/2009 at 10:26am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I just stumbled across this posting, and thank goodness. I've been sitting here, heart pounding, waiting for a recruiter's response to The Salary Question.
I blended a couple of the responses:
From what I've heard about xxxx — and my interest in the job — I can assure you that it will not be a waste of my time. I'd love to discuss the position responsibilities and work environment in more detail first. I'm confident that whatever salary you're paying is fair and consistent with the rest of the market.
It worked. My interview is scheduled and I dodged another salary question. I am in debt. I always bomb in this area.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Posted by Kelly on 07/28/2009 at 03:19pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
As a recruiter, I think you should now be open. The point of not disclosing your salary is to get the company's information. You've not done that. The ball is in your court, so move the conversation forward on your terms.
Posted by Maryellen on 07/28/2009 at 04:35pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Excellent advise – I am going to pass it along to my network and especially a group called Job Angels on Linkedin.
Russ Kovar
Posted by Russ Kovar on 08/27/2009 at 02:27pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Good advice but simplistic. As others above note, many if not most Web application forms demand a salary for your previous jobs. Many also require a desired salary range in an application — and they want numbers, the form kicks out "negotiable."
Hopefully, a personal contact will bring an interview instead of the Web and then this approach can pay off.
Posted by Paul Hart on 08/31/2009 at 06:11pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
These are some great tips. It is hard not to fall in the "trap" and tell the person about to hire you what you expect. The best approach would be to let them talk first about what they are prepared to pay. Also, it is not hard to know about what the average company pays for a specific position. And yes if you cant agree on a salary there might be other things you can negotiate.
Posted by Investments on 10/04/2009 at 05:50pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Regarding the "Previous Salary" question… I'm thinking of being strait forward and simply stating that I'm not willing to disclose that information. Anything wrong with that?
Posted by Doug on 10/14/2009 at 12:58pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Go to Glassdoor.com, find your current position, and give them a range between mid and top of that level. Higher in range, of course, if the new job will be paying higher than the old. As for what range you will end up in with the new job, ignore that for now. After a year or two you can start pushing for higher figures.
Posted by orion on 11/03/2009 at 04:10pm | permalink | Reply to this comment