One of the worst pieces of career advice that I bet each of you has not only gotten but given is to "do what you love."
Forget that. It's absurd. I have been writing since before I even knew how to write – when I was a preschooler I dictated my writing to my dad. And you might not be in preschool, but if you are in touch with who you are, you are doing what you love, no matter what, because you love it.
So it's preposterous that we need to get paid to do what we love because we do that stuff anyway. So you will say, "But look. Now you are getting paid to do what you love. You are so lucky." But it's not true. We are each multifaceted, multilayered, complicated people, and if you are reading this blog, you probably devote a large part of your life to learning about yourself and you know it's a process. None us loves just one thing.
I am a writer, but I love sex more than I love writing. And I am not getting paid for sex. In fact, as you might imagine, my sex life is really tanking right now. But I don't sit up at night thinking, should I do writing or sex? Because career decisions are not decisions about "what do I love most?" Career decisions are about what kind of life do I want to set up for myself?
So how could you possibly pick one thing you love to do? And what would be the point?
The world reveals to you all that you love by what you spend time on. Try stuff. If you like it, you'll go back to it. I just tried Pilates last month. I didn't want to try, but a friend said she loved the teacher, so I went. I loved it. I have taken it three times a week ever since. And it's changed me. I stand up straighter. (I'd also have better sex, if I were having it. The Pilates world should advertise more that it improves your sex life: Totally untapped market.)
Often, the thing we should do for our career is something we would only do if we were getting a reward. If you tell yourself that your job has to be something you'd do even if you didn't get paid, you'll be looking for a long time. Maybe forever. So why set that standard? The reward for doing a job is contributing to something larger than you are, participating in society, and being valued in the form of money.
The pressure we feel to find a perfect career is insane. And, given that people are trying to find it before they are thirty, in order to avoid both a quarterlife crisis and a biological-clock crisis, the pressure is enough to push people over the edge. Which is why one of the highest risk times for depression in life is in one's early twenties when people realize how totally impossible it is to simply "do what you love."
Here's some practical advice: Do not what you love; do what you are. It's how I chose my career. I bought the book with that title – maybe my favorite career book of all time – and I took the quickie version of the Myers-Briggs test. The book gave me a list of my strengths, and a list of jobs where I would likely succeed based on those strengths.
Relationships make your life great, not jobs. But a job can ruin your life – make you feel out of control in terms of your time or your ability to accomplish goals – but no job will make your life complete. It's a myth mostly propagated by people who tell you to do what you love. Doing what you love will make you feel fulfilled. But you don't need to get paid for it.
A job can save your life, though. If you are lost, and lonely, and wondering how you'll ever find your way in this world. Take a job. Any job. Because structure, and regular contact with regular people, and a method of contributing to a larger group are all things that help us recalibrate ourselves.
So if you are overwhelmed with the task of "doing what you love" you should recognize that you are totally normal, and maybe you should just forget it. Just do something that caters to your strengths. Do anything.
And if you are so overwhelmed that you feel depression coming on, consider that a job might save you. Take one. Doing work and being valued in the community is important. For better or worse, we value people with money. Earn some. Doing work you love is not so important. We value love in relationships. Make some.









Thanks for this post! I will forward it to some friends.
Posted by John Smith on 12/18/2007 at 01:11pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
Right on the money. This gives great clarity to the dilemma that (nearly) everyone faces as they look for their American Dream.
The sex metaphor — perfect! And your candidness regarding your relationship is yet another reason to read you. With regard to that particular struggle, continue working and doing the right thing. Provided you know what's important, your goal, where you stand on things — you have a great shot at navigating the troubled waters.
Good luck and thanks for your excellent writing.
Posted by Bill O'Neil on 12/18/2007 at 01:16pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
What is your Myers-Briggs personality?
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ENTJ :)
Posted by Dan McKelvey on 12/18/2007 at 01:16pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Now this is a blog post that hits home with me. Good one PT.
HR Wench
Posted by HR Wench on 12/18/2007 at 01:19pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Good stuff Penelope! I do not love my profession with a deep passion but it enables me to do the things a do love.
I see something similar in tech all the time. "I don't want to work on that software project because it is written in (insert language you don't like). This really just sells you short since for most people it is the end of producing great software that people use that is satisfying, not what language it is written in.
Posted by HiTechDad on 12/18/2007 at 01:25pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm not at all surprised that you're an E, T, and J. I am, however, surprised that you're an N instead of an S. Were your results close on that one?
And good article. As a recent college graduate, I got a lot of flak from my career services department for not seeking out my "dream job." My dream job is what I make of it–I don't want to waste time and money chasing rainbows.
Posted by Anna on 12/18/2007 at 01:28pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Yeah, whenever I see that, I want to be like: "So who's gonna do all the stuff that isn't fun? Oh, you mean they get paid a lot more money, to entice them to take on those jobs? Doesn't sound bad."
It's a truism in my field (software development) that the unsexy work (gov't contracts, B2B integration) is some of the most lucrative stuff.
And the fun stuff (e.g. video game development) is awful. They underpay, they have mandatory overtime, they treat people like crap and — if they don't like it — there are a hundred other equally-qualified geeks waiting in line to "do what they love."
(Oh, and yoga has been awesome for my sex life. And, no, not by virtue of its fantastic male:female ratio.)
Posted by Joe Grossberg on 12/18/2007 at 01:32pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I never thought about it that way. Thanks.
There's a new, 3rd edition of Do What you Are.
Posted by Jeff Hunsaker on 12/18/2007 at 01:47pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
As a new professional struggling to find my way in my chosen career path, it is posts like this that help me to realize that I may actually be going the right direction. Just because I don't always love what I'm doing, doesn't mean that I'm not good at it or that I feel satisfied from the work I do.
I've been a subscriber to your blog for a while, but have just recently started REALLY reading it. I'm glad I have. Excellent insight. You inspired me to buy a book or two (including yours!).
Posted by Erik on 12/18/2007 at 01:53pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I very much agree with the advice. Just doing something to be with people is very good for any idealist who is swimming around in their head trying to decide what their destiny will be. I am INFP, which used to feel a bit like a curse, but I have found a number of niche activities in my company that have made me happpy at work. I run the monthly "call onto the carpet" status meeting, which is an energy drain, but somehow fun! I think people like that I am compassionate and tend to be solution-oriented rather than blaming or dealing in personalities.
Posted by Sifi M on 12/18/2007 at 02:12pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I dont think that you need to choose between the things you love,especially since you can combine them!
You love to write and you love sex! HMMM why not write a book about sex, remember, sex sells!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Dan on 12/25/2008 at 03:23pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I just stumbled on this great article as well. Somewhat related in that smart people (sounds like an INTP type which I am) tend to hate money. If you look at money as a tool and your job as the means to which produce this tool then it really helps re-frame your perceptions.
http://www.onmoneymaking.com/why-many-smart-people-hate-money-plus-crucial-distinctions.html
Posted by HiTechDad on 12/18/2007 at 02:12pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope:
You are a freakin' genius, Gal.
Posted by Alan Wilensky on 12/18/2007 at 02:24pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
Excellent post – right on!
We can't always control our destinies, no matter how hard we try. As a result, we put too much emphasis on landing that dream job or starting a business that nurtures our souls (with all the perceived freedom and success that can provide).
We do, however, have every opportunity and everything we already need to live a dream life.
David
Posted by David B. Bohl at SlowDownFAST.com on 12/18/2007 at 02:31pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I've picked bones with your posts more than once, but you've driven a few nails home here. Even J.K. Rowling or Tom Brady have to spend many hours in conference rooms arguing over contract details. There's a show about artists who ignore all those annying little details and focus on the fun parts–it's called Behind the Music.
As for sex, well, it illustrates quite vividly how wide an ocean often lies between doing something for fun and doing it as a job.
Posted by Colin Kingsbury on 12/18/2007 at 02:34pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
There's a post on a similar topic on Trent's (www.thesimpledollar.com) blog.
Not to sound unpatriotic or anti-American but a lot of American culture is about how you can do anything you want and how the sky's the limit, but those ideas are misleading. The reality is you don't know if you'll like something unless you dive right in and try the job. We should be advocating 20-somethings to just starting working – take a job if it sounds interesting enough – spend less time debating the choices. Who knows what kinds of doors it could open unless you simply try.
I left journalism a year and a half ago and needed a job. I took some random job off craigslist and I didn't know if it would work out. while I don't enjoy my job the industry (international business) itself is fascinating and exciting. and a lot of doors and side jobs have opened up by being in this industry.
the worst that could happen is the job sucks. chalk it up to hindsight and move on to the next job until you're comfortable. as long as you have money to eat and you're close to the people you love, everything else will fall into place.
Posted by sfordinarygirl on 12/18/2007 at 02:35pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
In response to yesterday's post, I wrote on my blog: "I’m a strong believer that if we follow our heart, our own path, money will follow."
Being a European, I tend to see "do what you love" as meaning "do what you are good at", or "do what you are." You can't be someone else. It's better to find a job that suits you than one you might irrationally love.
Posted by Tim on 12/18/2007 at 02:51pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thank you for writing what's been on my mind for a while now. I've been struggling with this "find your passion" and "do what you love" language for a couple of years. And I've come to really disbelieve the statement "Do what you love, the money will follow." I've done plenty of things I've loved, and the money stayed far away. I've done many things I've thought were tedious, but the greenbacks appeared in my wallet and bank account. I think we need a total overhaul of this misleading, possibly damaging Success language.
Posted by Mike Ambrose on 12/18/2007 at 04:00pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I couldn't agree with you more. Often, trying to get paid doing what you love turns what you love into work. That happened to me. Like you, I always could write. So I became a journalist. And it made me miserable. And then I didn't write for me for a long time.
I've always been successful as a marketing director. I like it – but I don't consider it my "calling." And yet it has lead to some really cool opportunities to help other people. Things that I do consider my calling.
Now that I've finally figured out that you don't have to get paid for what doing what you love, I now write more than ever. And occasionally I get paid. But that's not why I do it.
I can also enjoy my job more, because I'm not expecting it to be some cosmic experience anymore.
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Amen. There is something really comforting about hearing practical decisions that people feel good about. I don't think all practical decisions are honest. Some are based in fear. It's up to each of us to know what is true for us. Sometimes it's a lot of trial and error to know what feels right. Trial and error in the practical-job realm are just as important as trial an error in the dream-job realm.
-Penelope
Posted by Suzanne on 12/18/2007 at 04:03pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I agree with you 100%. I love web-design, but without money how can I market myself to others to make money designing websites? Instead I found a job as an Internet Marketing Specialist (ironic huh?) especially when I was looking for a basic receptionist job. I love my job and I do try to incorporate what I love into my job (designing banners and site templates for our company blog). I guess I'm one of the lucky ones.
P.S. I agree with the whole sex thing…truth be told people whom do have sex for living don't love sex…LOL!
Samara
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This is a great example of the process to go through to find a job. The thing you love to do is often what you're good at, and somewhere, in the scheme of things, what you're good at, or a piece of what you're good at, is what you can get paid well to do. Finding that intersection is important.
–Penelope
Posted by Samara on 12/18/2007 at 04:15pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Great post Penelope. I couldn't agree more.
We live in a society that places more emphasis on our careers as a way to define ourselves as people than any other. The ability to answer the question, "What do you do?" in a way that sounds impressive seems to make more than a few Americans approach their careers all wrong. At the end of the day, the goal is a satisfying and successful life, not just a great career…I hope we continue to see a shift towards people putting their careers in better perspective – posts like this will certainly help. Thanks!
Posted by J.T. on 12/18/2007 at 05:19pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Good post. I would advise young people nowadays to try to get a job and do college at night. Work for a company that gives tuition reimbursement.
Getting early work experience and not getting bogged down by student loans will put someone light years ahead of the game.
Posted by Phil on 12/18/2007 at 05:35pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I love this article. I love your writing style too. It is so refreshing. I hope I am not the bearer of bad news but, please do not write about your sex life. Why? There are thousands, possibly millions of sick men in society. Every day a women is raped or murdered by some sick male. I am not anti-male either. Ilove men, but testosterone is a dangerous hormone. Don't advertise. I hope you have a body guard, an unlisted phone number and address, a security system and possibly own some form of physical self defense. There are too many nuts out there.
Posted by C on 12/18/2007 at 06:27pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This post seems to contradict a lot of things you've written in the past. Seems that you're just trying to gain brownie post since people slam you for 98% of everything else you write. Good job–mission accomplished!
By the way, I agree with Tim, the European.
Posted by C.P. on 12/18/2007 at 06:28pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I read your article. First let me say I think I understand what you are trying to say. Next let me say it's the first blog I've ever read and by that statement also the first blog I've ever responded to. I wouldn't even know how to go about finding a blog and I can't imagine learning anything from one. Your blog happened to land in my lap because of a newsletter I received.
That said, I've been basically out of work since Nov 2001. I wasted 2.5 years doing low pay retail, what a bummer (I had to claim I was retired to get that job). I got lucky and worked for 10 months on a contract at a major bank in mainframe (something I love but the job was way over my head). I consider myself totally unemployable even with a college degree and way too many years of experience.
All your points are noteworthy, however I don't see any of them helping me. My bottom line is I can't get a job, I'm terrible at networking and my age and my hearing aids make employment almost impossible. Am I down over all of this, you bet. I like what you said, and if I had a young body, current skills and could hear what the person across the table was saying I just might get a job. In the meantime I'll keep plugging away at job sites and getting my one call a month. I might add that the calls rarely create an interview and when they do it lasts for 5 minutes because I can't hear.
Posted by Ron on 12/18/2007 at 07:24pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think some of the seeming contradiction in this post is simply what is left out – in making the point that "non-love work" can be truly useful, especially if you're spiraling out of control stressing over what you love… You kinda missed the point that for a lot of people, the problem is two-fold: (1) They DON'T know what it is "they love", and (2) They tend to be unhappy in their job.
If you're both of those, you damn well better at least figure out what it is you love, and if that means quitting a job to find out, it'll certainly be worth it.
But, it's also true that, if you can fit your love into those precious few non-work hours, and/or work a job you're well paid for and good at while trying to start up a business based on what you love on the side, that's a damn good thing.
But I strong disagree that you shouldn't TRY to cover expenses doing something you love. Because those that can have an amazing flexibility: they can more easily excuse overwork without feeling too stressed out by it, and/or they can simply work LESS as they get better at doing the job.
Not everyone who loves to cook should work in a kitchen, though. The key is to understand whether or not you CAN do what you love as WORK, or if it MUST be an escape from work. Knowing which of your loves/interests fall into which category is the key.
Posted by Deano on 12/18/2007 at 07:37pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hmmm..Very thought provoking. Do what you are! That is true – because you may not be as good at the things you love as who you are, if that makes sense. So, I love playing guitar…but I'm not as good at that as I am what I do.
Posted by Matt Bingham on 12/18/2007 at 07:48pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
"The reward for doing a job is contributing to something larger than you are, participating in society, and being valued in the form of money."
I think the above things are all overrated and not that appealing. For me, what matters is the money and what it can buy. If you can find something profitable that you also enjoy doing, then great.
By the way, the MBTI test didn't tell me what I can do, only what I can't do, and I already knew that. I have some of the characteristics of my MBTI type, but I'm not particularly strong in the strengths.
Posted by Eileen on 12/18/2007 at 07:52pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I wish I had read something like this when I was going through the quarter-life crisis you so eloquently described. It would have helped me get over that feeling that somewhere there was a "perfect job" that would fulfill every dream and desire and would be something I dearly LOVED. That idea is such a heavy burden! Thanks for the wonderful insight – it's given me a lot to contemplate.
Posted by Chrissy - The EA on 12/18/2007 at 08:53pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Brilliant.
Before husband/kids, I worked in International Development and really did do what I loved for a few years. I traveled all over! I was making the world a better place!
But when husband/kids came along, doing what I loved became a huge hassle. Who wants to go all around the world when you have a newborn?
So, now I work part-time in a job-share and do what I (mostly) like, in an office that I like, with a boss whom I really like and most importantly – with a schedule that I love.
Now I do volunteer work to fill the "save the world" need and take as many vacations as humanly possible to fill the "travel" need. But what I truly *love* is the flexibility that my current job offers to do these things.
Posted by K on 12/19/2007 at 12:31am | permalink | Reply to this comment
You're absolutely right. I have a real passion (sometimes obsession) with computers. I love them, to the point that my wife allots me at least 1 hour a weekday (3 on a weekend) for personal "geek" time, where I can do whatever I want with my computers and not be interrupted. But I couldn't imagine working on them for a living. Frankly, I'm not objective when it comes to them. So if I were doing what I love as a job, then I would (a) become (more) consumed with it, (b) probably become so specialized that I miss the big picture, and (c) eventually burn out and have nothing else to look at for enjoyment.
Not to mention, my love of computers and technology has helped in my actual career (investment management), since I can utilize what I know to streamline procedures, increase efficiency, etc. Doing so just got me a promotion into management (office with a window AND a door), and a rather sizable raise. Which I can then use to purchase more computer toys.
As for the marriage / sex life, well, we all have our issues when it comes to that.
Posted by Norcross on 12/19/2007 at 01:16am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Great post Penelope.
I'm an ENFP. and I love that book. I've talked to you before about wanting to get out of public education, but the funny thing is that according to my personality type, teaching is a good profession for me. LOL.
But apparently so is copywriting, marketing and journalism. I think the underlying commonality here is that in all of these careers you have to be perceptive when it comes to people and you have to be able to communicate effectively. So does this all boil down to the cliché "I'm a people person"?
I absolutely agree with your statement that we are multifaceted and I'll even take it a step further that most of us are good at more than one thing.
A good friend once advised me that teaching takes place in more than just the K-12 classroom. The same can be said for any of your readers' personality traits.
Posted by Sandra on 12/19/2007 at 04:57am | permalink | Reply to this comment
This is a great post, with great advice for anyone, no matter their age or current position.
Posted by Sam Davidson on 12/19/2007 at 08:10am | permalink | Reply to this comment
There are 2 kinds of successful people- some who start out very small doing what they love,often working unnoticed for many years. This takes great faith in oneself. The other who follow the tide and let it take them to their riches (quite a few oil tycoons, large retail/hotel chain owners are in this category). Van Gogh never made any money from any of his paintings in his life. Should he have got a well paying job instead of painting ? JK Rowling too would have spent months working on her first book, without having the certainty if it would sell. So sometimes, you need to have the courage to do what you love.
My own experience has been to know which way the river is flowing, and know which way you want to go. Let the river take you as far as it can towards your destination, and jump off and proceed on your own.
Like Joe Grossberg, I loved graphics programming, but there were no well paid jobs in this field, so I compensate by doing this for free (participate in open source projects) in my spare time, and letting my programming skills ( which really are a side effect of my love for graphics) help me make a living !
Guy Kawasaki's blog has some advice on doing what you love as well:
#9 Pursue joy, not happiness.
This is probably the hardest lesson of all to learn. It probably seems to you that the goal in life is to be “happy.” Oh, you maybe have to sacrifice and study and work hard, but, by and large, happiness should be predictable.
Nice house. Nice car. Nice material things.
Take my word for it, happiness is temporary and fleeting. Joy, by contrast, is unpredictable. It comes from pursuing interests and passions that do not obviously result in happiness.
Pursuing joy, not happiness will translate into one thing over the next few years for you: Study what you love.
Posted by some programmer on 12/19/2007 at 08:42am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I am a Pilates teacher and have been for 4 years. I can vouch that you should follow what you love!
Teaching Pilates and yoga has been the first time I've really enjoyed and believed in my work. I'd tried other jobs before that but none of them gave me that feeling of discovery and worthiness. I trained for most of a year in the Authentic method of Pilates and since then I've taught in Australia, Singapore, Malaysia and United Kingdom. Do what you love and you've got a great chance of enjoying your job and being successful!
Posted by Sophia Oh on 12/19/2007 at 09:02am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, you are SO right! The sure way to make yourself miserable at work is to need way too much from it–identity, validation, AND (whew) pleasure, in addition to money, structure, and skill growth.
I've been astounded for years at the persistence of this "advice" and even more astounded that anyone actually follows it. It ignores reality (both personal and economic) to a degree that is almost cruel.
Posted by Arlene on 12/19/2007 at 11:59am | permalink | Reply to this comment
For the most part, I agree with this very practical advice. However, I need to say something about going after your dream. I'm guessing that most of your readers are younger and have still have plenty of time to sell their soul to standard workforce. That being said, take a few, even more, years to chase your dream. Penelope did it with her dream with Beach Volleyball and if timing of the sports popularity would have been better (It's going to be big by 2015), maybe a couple inches more of height and some good performance enhancing supplements, she would probably be finishing up her career collecting money from athletic sponsors for wearing their tattoo on her arm.
So what about your dreams? Are you a potential Rock Star? Artist? Future President? Model? Pro Athlete? Give it a try because it sucks to be 40 and wondering "what if." I am a musician and I never gave my love for music a fair chance. I realize this now that I'm older and not a day goes by where I don't wonder if I could have made it. You see, I got my first intern job in a Date Center between 10th and 11th grade in high school. I was making $12 an hour at age 15 when my friends were making $3.25. The next summer, they called me back and paid me $14. So now, at age 40, I have been in I.T. for 25 years, "like" what I do, have a fancy title and make a decent living. You know what? I would trade it all for one hit single.
Oh, I almost forgot. Penelope, what's up with all of the lack of sex comments. You are so Hot!!!!! I know I would sacrifice half my 401K for you! Run away with me!!!!
Posted by Danny on 12/19/2007 at 12:35pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Great advice (or un-advice). I took the advice to do what you love. Quit my high paying job that bored me and took a 70% pay cut to do what I love…coach football.
All of the things that I loved about it (teaching, competition, planning, relationships etc) turned to stress points. The worst part was, I had no escape, because it was what I loved to do. Adding the stress of making a living off my passion turned my passion into an unbearable emotional cancer. My health began to fail as well (I am in my late 30's!) I went back to my old job after 2 seasons.
Now I put my hours in at the office, and use my passion as a release and realize the enjoyment I had before. It was a rough lesson to learn, but one I will not soon forget.
Posted by Rich on 12/19/2007 at 12:36pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
That was Data Center above not Date Center. Although, that would have been cool too!
Posted by Danny on 12/19/2007 at 12:38pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Right on. If you can find a way to love what you do, great. But the search for the perfect job assumes once you find it, you are done. Like everything in life, you don't usually find it as much as you find your way and make it great.
Posted by Dave Atkins on 12/19/2007 at 01:22pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Ms P-
One word…decalf. You are all over the map on this post, I am not sure what you mean, but I think I agree with you.
I think that folks need to look at this from the other side…it is not about "doing what you love"….it is NOT DOING WHAT YOU HATE!
There are lots of things I love to do, and many fit into my job. But what I not longer do is the crap that I hate doing. There are other people who can do that, and they are happy to do these tasks.
True, we need a way to earn a living…. but if you are stressed out and unhappy then do something else. However, if you love (or atleast like) the tasks that make up your job, then the stressful times are no big deal.
Posted by thom singer on 12/19/2007 at 01:23pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
It is funny that you mention pilates. A few years back I decided to chase the dream, I quit my job as competitive facial hair artist to become a pilates instructor for a large corporate health initiative.
The mantra should not be "Do what you love" but "Do what interests you". Doing what I loved did not pan out because of too much other bureaucratic B.S. that went along with it and it ruined my love of pilates. Now I am back in the rat race doing my facial hair art, it brings stability, creativity and is a real growth area. Just do it, is correct.
Posted by Mark on 12/19/2007 at 01:38pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
competitive facial hair artist? this is the boring job you quit to become a pilates instructor? i don't even know that that means.
Posted by elena on 03/05/2009 at 09:13pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Excellent post!
Another point to consider it that doing what you love as a hobby or avocation may not be what you'll like doing as a vocation. I love playing classical piano, but if I have to work on a particular piece because that's what the orchestra I might be playing with wants to play it definitely becomes WORK. Then you have to get on the stage and perform when and where you promised you'd be. No excuses for a bad performance. The next morning you wake up and get to read how some music critic thought you did your job! I'll stick with being an amateur and LOVING IT.
I also love to ride my bike. I'm a serious road cyclist. But if I had to get up every morning and train in the wind, rain, up hills etc. whether I felt like it or not because it's my JOB I might not love it anymore.
Everything changes when you do something you love as a profession.
Posted by John on 12/19/2007 at 01:51pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks Penelope, this article really hit home.
Posted by Dan on 12/19/2007 at 02:24pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
My ex-step-grandfather is a passionate music collector, mostly jazz. His basement is filled, floor to ceiling with records (those old, black, round things) and CD's. He's got encyclopedic knowledge of recording down there. Once in awhile, he would be asked to guest host a local jazz radio show and he was so good, the station owner offered him a job. He turned it down. "If I HAD to go do a radio show every day it wouldn't be fun anymore." Smart man.
Posted by Chris on 12/19/2007 at 02:33pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm afraid I'm going to have to stop reading your work. Even when I started ducking any column that clearly telegraphs that it's going to be about your marriage, counseling, and so on, I keep getting taking unaware by side references to same. Argh. This is a shame, because I value much of what you have to say otherwise.
Not that you're likely to take this advice, but perhaps another venue for your writing on this subject would help people like me enjoy your work? Clearly you 'love' to bring up these subjects; maybe it shouldn't be your 'work' here?
Posted by Stephen S on 12/19/2007 at 03:26pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope –
I liked it but was somewhat confused.
Why choose one thing you love? Why limit yourself? Why not choose more than one thing? Yes, we all become sick of even the things we love after a while. Everyone needs a break. But that's why we love the things we do – we keep going back to them.
My grandfather told me, "Do that thing you would do even if no one paid you to do it". But, also being an ENTJ and a borderline Type A, I'm not stopping at one thing. There's too much to see / do / experience. Myers-Briggs shows tendencies, and that's as good a place as any to start.
Doing the thing or things that fulfill us most may or may not involve work. Hopefully they don't. Hopefully we understand ourselves well enough to find them, whatever they may be.
Posted by Jerry on 12/19/2007 at 04:37pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Read the article… agree with the points… your fans and comment geeks (no offense) write really long responses… I can't read them all, though I wish I could… I have no social life cuz of work and I'm 30… I'm tired… waiting for retirement…
Posted by Steven on 12/19/2007 at 08:38pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I have to agree and disagree with your analysis, Penelope. On the one hand, I think it's a bad idea to make your one and only true passion your job. If you do that, you will just have your professional life, and if that goes sour, you will have nothing to fall back to in your free time.
But on the other hand there are times when you have to do what you like, and that really needs to be the deciding factor. I firmly believe that you cannot finish graduate school unless you study something you're enthusiastic about; if you choose a career requiring an advanced degree just by how much money you will get, you are probably setting yourself up for failure.
Posted by Mathias Ricken on 12/19/2007 at 11:32pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
As Tim, Jerry, and a couple of other commenters have pointed out, this assumes that there is only one thing you love. Aren't you what you love? Is it a crime to love more than one thing?
It can be stressful to work at one thing that you love and have that stress make it something you hate. I'm taking Creative Writing in uni because I love writing but now I can't stand it! However, it's not the writing I can't stand per se; it's being judged on my writing, writing for an assignment or academic purpose. I prefer writing as a means of expressing myself and letting my thoughts go – which is at complete odds with university writing.
So when you end up with a job you "love" but turn out to detest, see if there's something about the framework of the job you're actually detesting. Maybe you don't like to be dictated by others. Maybe you don't like having to micro-manage things. Maybe you'd rather work on the fly, on your own schedule, instead of a pre-determined one. Maybe you are anti-authority, or maybe you like a lot of authority. Maybe you only like it in small doses (I love Jelly Belly jellybeans but I can't stand more than 2 or 3 at a time).
Barbara Sher has a great series of books about Scanners – people with more than one passion trying to juggle them all. She argues (and I agree) that trying to pick one thing is futile. Rather, a Scanner should make space for their passions, no matter how small. Sometimes some passions don't need to be expressed the whole way – for example, you may love both sewing and painting, but while you're passionate about the business of fashion and get to express your sewing skills that way, you may be content with just painting a picture a month and no further.
I think an issue many of us are facing is that if you are good at something, or you're passionate at something, you HAVE to go ALL THE WAY with it. You *have* to make money, or you *have* to be a successful expert, or something. A lot of budding craftsters, for instance, tend to focus too much on making things they can sell – rather than just enjoying the process of crafting. Just enjoying the process has become underrated.
In short: You can't separate what you love from who you are. They're integral to each other. Trying to do something you don't love (and therefore isn't what you are) will only tire you. However, there are different ways to express your love for something, and you can love many different things, so it's up to you to find that balance that works for you. Whether it becomes a hobby or a job or something in between…that's your call.
Posted by Tiara on 12/20/2007 at 01:39am | permalink | Reply to this comment
haha, another way to put it:
People don't respect amateurs anymore! Everyone has to be a professional at their passion, apparently…
…but says who? Why can't amateurs get respect?
Posted by Tiara on 12/20/2007 at 01:40am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I find Penelope smart, for choosing carefully selected topics that are bound to :
1) create controversy by giving advice contrary to expected beliefs
2) appeal to the majority (95%) of people who sell their souls and abandon their real dreams because they are afraid. This will help them 'rationalize' their choices and make them feel better.
Posted by Anirban on 12/20/2007 at 02:12am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Interesting:
"People will choose to work because they love what they do. " – Penelope Trunk, in 'The end of work as we know it.
Posted by Anirban on 12/20/2007 at 03:20am | permalink | Reply to this comment
As a veteran of two successful career changes, I couldn't disagree more w/this post. The key to a successful career is finding a. what you love and b. what you're good at and c. identifying the intersection between the two. Many of us are good at things but aren't passionate about them. And if you get stuck JUST doing something you're good at, you will burn out eventually out of sheer boredom. Conversely, as you note in this post, you may fancy yourself a jazz singer but have no ability in that field so it just won't work.
Finally, not to nitpick, but as the person who commented above me just noted, I think you've suggested the exact opposite in at least 2 other posts in the past year.
I'm a big fan of your blog but must disagree on this one. thanks….
Posted by delia boylan on 12/20/2007 at 05:49am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Life is a journey enjoy the trip and do not look for the destination. So far in my career I had received 'Love what you do' advice many a time and I am still in search of that thing which I love. When I begin love the job. suddenly something happens and there is stone in the water and ripples.
Posted by Bob Mould on 12/20/2007 at 07:56am | permalink | Reply to this comment
stupid advice. and get married before you have sex again if you want a good sex life. you are advocating the most mundane/dated advice in history….work hard for $$$$ and play hard on the weekends. wow, groundbreaking. I feel sorry for you.
Posted by brad on 12/20/2007 at 09:25am | permalink | Reply to this comment
The recent post telling parents of 20 somethings to give their kids a chance to find what they truly love doing before settling for a job with a big corporation seems to contradict this article.
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I can see where you'd say that. Giving people time to find their way in the world is different than telling people they need to find a perfect, dream job.
-Penelope
Posted by leslie on 12/20/2007 at 02:14pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope-Call me, you know the number:)
Good blog. Thanks for your insights.
Posted by D Shawgo on 12/20/2007 at 05:30pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This is great writing. I hear what you are saying but I can't help but see – QUITE PLAINLY – that you are doing what you love now. Do you get paid to write? You are great at it. I can tell your entire heart, mind and soul is in it. it's crystal clear. You say you like sex better than writing, and I know this is brazen for a stranger to differ with you since I don't know you at – but I differ with you. I think if you were having sex all the time, your first love WRITING would be calling you from the bed. It's my own personal observation, and I could be entirely wrong. But I think you are doing what you love, exactly, you have found your passion, perfect bulls-eye, and I applaud you and I hope you are getting lots of $$$$$$$ for it.
I think the only way to be happy in life is to do what you love.
I like inspiring people, making people happy and writing, and I don't get paid a lot of money for it, heck practically none at all, but it's what I love and having found my total purpose in life I wouldn't dream of going back to a steady paycheck. I just want to be happy every day. Doing what I love.
You're website is awesome. I'm glad I found it.
love, lisa
Posted by Lisa Natoli on 12/21/2007 at 09:03am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Also, to reply to one of the comments above – happiness is NOT temporary and fleeting. I can absolutely state this is true. HAPPINESS IS CONSTANT AND UNCHANGING. It's our natural state. Everything else is opposition to our natural state of happiness. One must actually use (waste) energy to be depressed, angry, sad, lonely because in order to be these things you have to oppose the natural state of happiness.
Happiness is what is what we are. It's how we were created. Everything else was learned here in space and time.
Posted by Lisa Natoli on 12/21/2007 at 09:08am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
Thanks for this and all your posts. I left six figures as a 26 year old PR spokeswoman for one of the biggest consumer goods companies in the world three years ago to "do what I love" – write and perform music, release an album internationally and tour the world! I used my PR skills to get lots of good ink, including being featured in Billboard Magazine, NY Daily News and many other publications. But what I haven't done is break even. I cashed in my 401K, sold my car, moved to NYC and now what? Even though I know I'm great at doing "what I love", the real money in music comes from huge record labels, not independent ones, and now, at 29, I find myself setting music aside, a bit resentfully at that, and looking to re-enter the workforce.
I am faced with starting over from scratch (and without transportation unless I force myself to stay in New York just for the MTA, which is crazy), and I'm extremely overwhelmed.
Hindsight is now of course 20-20, and I completely agree with your opinions above (NOW.. only after experiencing being "broke" and – gasp – unemployed!).
Now I just have to practice positive thinking 200 times more than I did when I left security for the unknown in an idealistic effort to make the world a better place. And maybe watch "The Pursuit of Happyness" over and over and over again… ;*)
Posted by Malena on 12/21/2007 at 10:42pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm going to the wiring here…specifically the DNA variety. If we all are one in six billion, which is true, then we must live what we were made to do. I see it as living out what has been poured into us. I was almost 40 before I figured out what that was…the poured stuff.
I agree that we shouldn't speak in terms of what we love to do. That almost places the answer outside of ourselves when the answer has been inside us all the time.
Unfortunately, the world we live in conspires to choke out all that makes for a great life. And far too many people give in…
Posted by Eric Pennington on 12/21/2007 at 11:56pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Someone was telling me this a few weeks ago, and I poo-pooed him as another small-thinking naysayer trying to crush my dreams. Now that Penelope is saying it, I feel like I poo-pooed prematurely. Now I must ponder.
Also, some sex workers do continue to enjoy sex when it is their livelihood. I had a friend who was a professional dominatrix. When I asked her about it one day, she gushed about how much she loved her job and how she couldn't imagine doing any other kind of work.
Posted by Charlie - hope&spray on 12/23/2007 at 04:39am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I agree that people often misinterpret the meaning of "Do What You Love." They think that if they are passionate enough about something, they'll be able to get someone to pay them to do it. However, last time I checked, our economy isn't made up of professional beer drinks, or bad novelists, or phone sex operators.
In the throes of my very own quarter-life crisis, I have to agree with Penelope that "doing what you love" isn't meant to be directed to just your job. No one loves just one thing, one function, one goal. Happiness is like a puzzle, it takes a lot of smaller pieces that need to learn how to fit together in order to fulfill your ultimate vision.
Posted by The Office Newb on 12/23/2007 at 07:21pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
"The pressure we feel to find a perfect career is insane." So, shouldn't we start with forgetting our careers? And then do what we love?
Posted by Mattijs Kneppers on 12/24/2007 at 07:38am | permalink | Reply to this comment
An interesting post, which has generated some really fascinating responses. I think the post does contradict others posted on the site, so perhaps that´s something to bear in mind. No matter though, so long as it gets people thinking and it helps them.
My own feeling is that there are a couple of things to remember. Firstly, do what you love and the money will follow places too much emphasis on the financial rewards. I`ve struggled financially like many people, so I know as well as anybody how important that is, but the evidence from positive psychology continually tells us we don´t get any happier for having more than a reasonable amount of income. Whatever that is! Doing what you love – happiness is not about the money. It´s about a balanced approach to life, based on pleasure, relationships and meaning.
Secondly, there's room for doing what you love in life, but who says it´s just the one thing? Not many people would realistically be able to earn a living doing solely what they love, and I certainly wouldn`t advise making oneself ill in the pursuit of such an occupation. However we can try to do more of what we love at work, or re-frame our attitudes to work to learn to get more out of work, if necessary. Or working to enable us to do what we love outside of work is a worthwhile pursuit. That´s the gist of our article on doing what you love.
Regards
Phil
Posted by Phil on 12/25/2007 at 09:39am | permalink | Reply to this comment
How about "Do what you like"?
I love playing classical music but I'm not good enough to be a concert pianist and job market for teachers of the arts is crowded.
I like computers, wall street —> business analyst.
Posted by Jeremiah on 12/26/2007 at 07:59am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I love all of the feed back on this post! It has given me things to think about. I too have fallen into the trap of thinking that I have to find something that I love to do for a living. Unfortunately for me (fortunately for them) I have a husband and a father that both love what they do for a living. Doing these things for employment and to support a family did not tarnish the love of the jobs for them. I find myself comparing myself to that and feeling a little jealous at times that I have not found that thing that I love. I thought I was all alone!! It is good to know that I am not alone out there in the abyss of jobs and careers!
Posted by Carol on 12/28/2007 at 10:13am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I was happy to see this post, as it is something I definitely have been telling a few people I know. I work to provide enough so I can do the things I love. Ever since reading "Your Money or Your Life" by Joe Dominguez and Vicki Robin, I've come to terms with the fact that my job does not define ME.
But I think a few commenters hit it on the head as well. Somehow, finding a job you can tolerate and really succeed at usually involves something you love. I love research, detail and writing, and so my work in the legal profession provides me with a lot of those things. Do I live for my job? No. Does having those things make it easier to continue my job? Definitely.
Posted by Lane on 12/28/2007 at 11:51am | permalink | Reply to this comment
"Don't do what you love, do what you are"?
Especially when this advice is geared to those at the beginnings of their career tracks, I see it more of a limiting way of looking at things.
It isn't only like one is something and most likely will be the same/similar forever, she also "become"s something different than what she is every passing moment. And I believe, it is doing things we feel passionate about that adds a lot into that becoming.
"Love what you become."
How about this?
Posted by Necati Topyıldız on 12/28/2007 at 09:02pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Oh, C'mon folks. Let's cut this thing to the quick.
Isn't the real problem how to make enough money, fast enough, young enough, that you can free yourself from the rat race, without having to do things that suck.
Once you own your own life, then you can do anything you want, *regardless* of the income. You want to be a hedonist, fine… you want to solve cancer… fine too.
So job one is getting out off the entrapping terrain of the economy as it has been built, to keep the vast majority fueling the fortunes of the few, true?
Interestingly I asked three of four business schools if they had expended any research effort on how the average person could do that, starting with little or nothing. And if the they hadn't just what were they studying, since this question is the most important business question for the most people.
Only one answered, and stated essentially, "You raise a good point, but we don't have an answer, here's the link to our catalog".
Interestingly one of the silent questionees was Harvard Business School… LOL! They know they are trying to churn out the elites, not allow for defectors to freedom. LOL!
Isn't it about time we hold our leaders feet to the fire to take us where *we* want to go (which most likely is to live as well as they do) rather than were they want to take us?
Posted by flmason on 01/03/2008 at 06:38pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
From one writer to another – I totally agree with the sex part ;)
Posted by j on 02/23/2008 at 10:40am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, an absolutely bloody brilliant post, wow like a shot of tequila, wow! It has hit the right places, thank you SO much!
Lise :^)
Posted by Lise Sutherland-Fraser on 03/12/2008 at 06:53am | permalink | Reply to this comment
thanks so much for this advice as well as the advice to take the myers-briggs test! changed my life……
Remain Blessed~
Posted by grace on 04/08/2008 at 07:43pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thank you so much Penelope for your candid commonsense wisdom. I am one of the people that thought that a job would complete me or whatever. It takes much stress off of me to know that I am totally wrong. I'm taking your advice and now that I see clearly, I'm heading in the right direction. :-)
Posted by Ashln on 05/18/2008 at 11:55pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
" do what you love " can be explained according to every single point of view. It can be considered good or bad advice or nether depending on how you look at it. For example, I can tell you this now, do what you love, if you love not getting paid for what you love doing then this is the action you love to do. If you love to consider this advice as bad advice and not follow it. You are yet "doing" (writing-action of doing)" what you love" ( trying to convince others doing what you want love is a bad advice).
Posted by Hope on 05/30/2008 at 01:59am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks Penelope! Many of your points struck a chord with me. My career is a process that continues to unfold along with my life. There are certainly days when I love what I do but there are also days when I work for the rewards you mentioned.
Posted by Ellen Hart on 06/16/2008 at 12:15am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hi P-
I'm an INFP.
At 46, I've been a product of this kind of thinking, not doing what I loved but doing what paid the bills. Along the way I've been lucky enough to have good health insurance, buy a house and cars and pay them off and work on a retirement. I've taken lovely vacations and eaten at wonderful restaurants. I've done what I love in my spare time. But I can tell you that when you've been doing the "smart" work thing for almost 20 years, it's gets *really* old. Yes, I'm planning on sticking with this agency until I take early retirement (55) but last month I put my foot down and left a more lucrative classification because it was just too hard to get up in the morning.
I took a significant pay cut to move to where I am now. And although I don't love it, I hate it less than what I did before and as a result am able to get to work on time most days. But I still have a tedious slog ahead of me which feels alot like a waste of life.
Be aware all young 'uns. Pragmatism will keep you financially secure which is a very non-trivial thing… but life is also shockingly short. Make time and bank some resources for calculated risks. You're going to need that for the long haul.
Posted by Asild on 06/16/2008 at 12:35pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Maybe it's more of avoiding work you hate rather than finding work you love…
Posted by Jeff on 07/27/2008 at 01:48pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
My problem is, I hate who I am.
So doing what I am is not satisfying.
There's not much "I love" doing in life.
But I'm at the same time, I'm a really "fortunate" person given my background. My parents came to Canada from a rural village in Pakistan. Most of my relatives still live there in desperate developing world conditions and the overwhelming majority of them that are around my age work as grunt labor in the middle east or are foot soliders in the military patrolling in either the disputed terrority of kashmir or along the border region with Afghanistan. So needless to say, I should count my blessings but the thing is, they have what I lack, a sense of belonging and they understand that their dreams are just dreams.
It makes me think of this quote from the movie Fight Club..
"… our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off. " – Tyler Durden
and it speaks to me…all of my life, I had these wild dreams of being "somebody"
But now I'm in my late twenties and I'm realizing that I'm a nobody, just an average schmoe, working some lame engineering job, chronically shy and anxious…
But that's who I am, so I gotta be "happy" with it.
Posted by A Nobody on 12/03/2008 at 04:26pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Ok…You're Awesome! I just thought I'd tell you that… I've been "trying to find my passion" which is the inevitable euphemism of "find what you love to do" and needless to say, 3 years and no results, have come and gone. Frustration, however, continues to find it's unwelcome place in my life…. Do what you are…. Now that's a fresh approach. Next stop…who am I… Got any suggestions on answering that question? Life …
Posted by G on 12/05/2008 at 05:24pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
God, I needed this post right now in my life. I'm a college junior with life plans veering away from my parents' life plans for me and… I'm supposed to graduate next year and I want to do something totally different than what they ever expected of me and blahhhhhhh.
Posted by Eunice on 12/14/2008 at 04:13am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hi,
I just stumbled upon your site, and so far I'm loving it. You seem to be one of the few thoughtful bloggers out there in the blogosphere. You don't tell people how to live; you explore life.
This is an interesting topic. For me personally, it really is difficult to balance doing what you love with your career. Say I love to write fiction. My "strengths" dictate that I should pick a career that involves writing. But in order to make decent salary and just survive, I take a job at a large corporation, doing very technical or industry-specific writing. I would only take the job because it allows me to make money to live and keep on doing the things I love to do.
But if I want to advance and make more money, I'd have to work longer hours, excel even more at my job and perform at a higher level. Maybe this means that I read less fiction, spend less time writing and have less time to devote to non-paying activities.
Eventually, I'd find myself working more and being less happy. And maybe I'd also feel like an automaton and that I'm stuck in a rut. This is what happens to most twenty-somethings. They work and work in the hope that they're building a foundation for "what they really want to do." But at the same time, they find themselves becoming further and further distanced from the life they want to live.
It's the dilemma of the starving artist. So the question has everything to do with one's ability to be happy with either a more satisfying career or a lower standard of living.
Just some thoughts from me, a fellow blogger. I'll keep reading your blog!
Posted by Jen Blogger on 12/15/2008 at 04:04pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Very thought provoking. Do what you are! That is true – because you may not be as good at the things you love as who you are, if that makes sense. So, I love playing guitar…but I'm not as good at that as I am what I do.
I liked your article.:D
Posted by bilgi on 12/19/2008 at 04:54pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
You touch on a good point: Follow your strengths. The hidden point there is that our strengths are things we like doing, otherwise how would we have gotten good at them? The secret ingredient is Economics. As you said, you have to find someone to PAY you for it. It all has to balance. If you do something just for the money, you will earn every penny of it. Trust me.
I worked on a project in a dying computer language because the company was too cheap/insecure to use anything remotely new. It did nothing for my career and the stagnation the project caused was awful. The comapny got some benefit from it but in the end but at the end of the project, they said "Thanks and good bye". Try explaining THAT on your next job interview.
Find something you LIKE to do that you can also find a way to provide value to someone for doing it.
Thanks for starting a dialog about this!
Posted by Scott on 01/06/2009 at 09:05am | permalink | Reply to this comment
i stumbled upon this article the day after i wrote somthing in my journal that started off by saying "my wonderfully loving and caring parents have set me up to fail in the real world". i even had chapter titles like "its OK just be happy". they were great at being loving parents and not great at being motivating parents.
Posted by Jenna on 02/20/2009 at 03:56pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I don't think people in the zen mindset should follow the advice of "do what you are." They'd probably end up as bums.
I think striving for greatness can give us either elation or dejection. Would Steve Jobs have raised Apple from the ashes had he not done "what he loved to do?" I read his Stanford speech, which gave me some perspective while I struggled with figuring out what I'm "meant" to do my soph year of college.
Maybe greatness is overrated. Greatness has nothing to do with love One thing I think people tend to overlook is the pressure that comes along with that mindset of "I have to be great." I think an important question is: would you love what you do even if you were bad at it?
Posted by Mike on 03/08/2009 at 05:52pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I agree. A huge problem with doing what you love is that it doesn't necessarily make you money. For example I love video games but I cannot make money off it. Very few video gamers make money of playing it, and even then your only two options is either tester or tournament player. I'm bad at both so I can't make money off doing it, sadly.
Posted by Tips on 03/20/2009 at 06:38am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks for your post. I am going through this right now, and you helped give me a new perspective.
Posted by John on 03/22/2009 at 02:55pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
What a brilliant deduction! This is something I desperately needed to hear.
My parents have told me my whole life to do what I love. They mean well – they both have jobs they hate.
I actually have the book you talk about – Be What You Are. I haven't looked at it in years. I will be reading it again starting today. I will figure out what I am good at. I will get back on the right path.
Thanks so much for being so honest and helpful!
Posted by Erica on 03/23/2009 at 10:37am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Sorry to necro this post, but you are one of the few people out there speaking truth on this topic, Penelope. "Do what you love" is stupid advice.
"Do what you are" can also lead down the path of misery, at least to the extent that some of us have personalities which are allegedly very well-suited to careers such as teaching or social work, where being treated poorly by both clients and superiors is pretty much de rigeur.
Nonetheless, I agree with a lot of what you say here and I thank you for it.
Posted by Ben Lurkin on 03/27/2009 at 07:07pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I agree with Mike (03/08/09) that some of us shouldn't "do what we are." I have been doing that off and on for years – I am depressive, inattentive, neuro-psychologically messed-up, and I have mounted up a remarkably unimpressive resumé as a dilettante, a layabout, and a mooch.
My successes in life are necessarily small. I have talents, but they are narrow, because I do not accept frustration – I just don't. Game over, switch off, bye-bye. I wrote one book, many years ago, I have played on 3 record albums, and do very occasional work in "vanity editing" (basically rewriting for style, something there's no steady market for).
I am proud of all those achievements, but I am not interested in being an achiever. Professionalism, in anything, means you keep doing it until you are goddam well told to stop. "I'm burning out" or "I can't take any more" is never acceptable. (I could go on forever on this topic, but anyone invested in the real world would call it whining, so I'll stop there.)
I am about to take incompletes in 3 out of 3 courses in what I had hoped would be an achievable and sensible MA program in English. I will, as I make up those "I"s on the grade sheet, be counseling and coaching with some hopefully smart and caring people about what I can do to approach work, time, and life more constructively and with more self-care. The trick this time will be learning to believe in myself – and in that I will be starting from my usual place, near zero.
Posted by Paul on 04/15/2009 at 01:01pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
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Posted by Ann on 05/13/2009 at 12:01pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
amazing post, seriously
Posted by mr luggage on 06/07/2009 at 08:23pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
I find it interesting that some people get paid for sex, but hate it. The trick is finding a way to do what you love and get paid for it. And I don't mean to make a pun out of "trick," I just believe that when you find that winning combination it will be magic!
Posted by CK Reyes on 06/08/2009 at 10:55pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I know how it is at times chasing that dream!
I am in my early twenties and I have already started my own business which is making money! Unfortunately I see so many people trying to chase a dream that is not believeable,measurable & acheivable, however I would have to say that if you don't like what you do and it is making you unhappy it's not the end of the world, move on
I've been told I can't do it, I have to settle but I refuse to and I am glad I haven't and Will NEVER give up!It's hard work and sometimes I do get down, but I always get up! and I LOVE LOVE LOVE it!
No person ever got to 80 and is lying on their deathbeds thinking "I should have worked more hours at that job". Life is too short to do what you hate!
Posted by gainsvillesun on 06/20/2009 at 08:15pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Incredibly insightful. If more high school and college graduates were aware of your advice, many years of angst –waiting for the epiphany–would be saved. It's too bad that so many people feel like failures (I know I did for a long time) because they haven't found their "calling." For about 99.5% of us, a career is a CHOICE, not a eureka moment of discovery. And while it might be entertaining or depressing to ruminate about the outcomes that a different choice might have yielded, it's so much healthier to recognize your career path as simply one of many viable options — a pathway, not a destination. Many, many types of work can be fulfilling to the same person, and happiness stems from many, many other sources!
Posted by Katie on 06/24/2009 at 05:33pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This article describes my life to a T. You took the words right out of my mouth but put them better than I could.
I couldn't be happier that I found your blog during what is my quarter-life crisis. It is truly fate..
Thank you Penelope!!
Posted by Carla Mitchell on 07/05/2009 at 10:02pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Like the poster above, I stumbled upon this article at what feels like the perfect timing. It's very well written and insightful. I'm 24, have been messing around with computers since the age of 4 and work a 9 hour/day job on them doing technical work. I hate it.
ENFP. That' me. And I know what I love to do in my free time, but I would never make a career of it, because it wouldn't pay me squat. So the real question is, how do you discover what you're inherently good at, opposed to what you enjoy doing?
I have some ambitions in life with regards to traveling, where I want to live, etc… but I would need a lot of money to meet those goals. It's becoming daunting finding an overlap between when I enjoy doing, what I'm good at now but what I'd essentially kick ass at down the road. Some sort of plan would be nice. Any advice on formulating said plan? :)
Posted by HWS on 07/08/2009 at 09:22pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Yeah, I feel the same way. There's so much I want to do in life…move to new places, travel, find a rewarding career, but still find a significant other. I'm 23 (almost 24), and I feel overwhelmed almost all the time, feeling like there aren't enough years to achieve all of this without my life passing me by. I've event tried to move to New York and pursue a career in television but it was to no avail..
I'm always jealous of the people that are "doing what they love," and that I don't have that. I would be happy to take anything that both stimulates me and that's I'm good at just to provide a good life for myself.
And I don't want to go through life in a dead end job and stay in the same town I grew up. AHHHH this sux! But thanks for the blog.
Posted by puta1 on 07/08/2009 at 09:42pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Wonderful post. I expected a pessimistic writer writing something that was the opposite of what everyone was saying. :) Imagine my surprise when you said "do what you are". Nothing is ever closer to the truth than that. And I thank you for a new angle of looking at the whole "do what you love and get paid for it" thing. This will be one blog of note. :)
Posted by Tribu on 07/20/2009 at 08:10am | permalink | Reply to this comment
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Posted by Rockstarbabu on 07/23/2009 at 05:58am | permalink | Reply to this comment
This is rubbish. You speak out of both sides of your mouth! You say a job "can ruin your life" but then say also that a job will not make your life complete, so don't worry about doing what you love. I can't decide what you really are saying and truly believe. There's nothing wrong with trying to find a job you love. We spend approximately 70% of our weekdays at a job. The remaining 30% are usually some kind of end of day rituals that are merely preparing us for the next work day. Why in the world would we not want to pursue something we love during that time? Life is too short to deal with a horrible job just because it enables you to play with your dog on Saturdays or do some other thing that is likely just a speck on your weekend. Is it always achievable? In many cases, yes. You just have to be willing to accept what comes along with it. If your goal is life fulfillment, and not sporting the BMW, you can most likely pull it off. Why let a job ruin your life?
Posted by Jason on 07/26/2009 at 12:37pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Lucky me I do what I love… Brazilian Jiujitsu & Vale Tudo at South America… and I LOVE what I do… and guess what, all works just fine!
Posted by Jose Martino on 08/05/2009 at 01:50am | permalink | Reply to this comment
It's so easy to offer the advice "do what you love" but actually that can be really distracting as well as in many cases unattainable. I suppose the difficulty is in realizing what it is you are good at, sometimes people are unsure of their strengths. Perhaps we should spend more time focusing on what we are good at rather than chasing a career in doing what we love. As you said, we would do the things we love regardless.I particularly liked the comment "The reward for doing a job is contributing to something larger than you are, participating in society, and being valued in the form of money" I have never really looked at it from that angle.
Posted by Leanne Cumber on 09/10/2009 at 08:58am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
Interesting post… and, yes, this is the same "interesting" one would use when describing one's feelings about a painting one does not care especially for when the artist is eagerly awaiting an "honest" opinion.
In short – some stuff I liked some I didn't.
I've got no problem shaking up the status quo "do what you love". I keep reminding my boys (at least 1 offically diagnosed with Asperger's – probably hereditary) they would soon tire of eating cookies if they got jobs tasting cookies.
One the other hand, I've worked at jobs I liked and some I hated. I prefer stuff I love now and always.
You're a writer. I'm a writer too. We both know it's a part of who we are. We also know lots of people who "hate writing". Should they write even if they are excellent writers? Of course not.
So if you put your suggestion in black and white by offering a choice of doing what you love or what you hate… the choice becomes clear – at least to me.
The counter to "doing what you are" is succintly made by those who hate who they are.
Besides, I seem to be somewhat hyperactive and lack a certain focus – in other words – many jobs bore me after a few months.
So here is my alternative… try find work where you do mostly stuff you like doing – or at least – don't mind doing.
I've outlined a process in these job tips articles
All in all, I'm glad I found your blog. While we won't agree all the time, I do find your stuff engaging and challenging.
Regards,
John
Posted by John Hundely on 09/10/2009 at 09:55am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Wow…i would hate to have a person like you in my life. Maybe that's why you might be having such a shitty sex life.
Bottom line…don't listen this girl, but if you're into felling depressed and want advise from an uninspired underachiever, your at home on this blog.
rw
Posted by RW on 09/17/2009 at 11:09pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
If there is a underachiever in the house, maybe you are the one! If you would take the time to understand what is wrote, you would understand fully.. It's not about, not doing what you love , more so doing what you are good at.. Things other than sex! Besides maybe she has not found the right man with the right thoughts ! YET !
PEACE!
Posted by Max on 09/24/2009 at 02:08pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Your writing is great, I've been struggling with this very problem, For the last 5 years I've been developing businesses like crazy , now after 17 fully made business ideas, I have no idea what to do with them..I got tired of it. I made them, but don't want to work them. Some tell me to sell them , others tell me I'm crazy ! But everyone knows I develop companies that do not exist.. After reading your blog, It made me realize , maybe I need to be going all of what I've done, What I love is my family , what I do is up to me! Also you made me realize , maybe I need to hire people to run my companies. I can make 50 new jobs with what I have done. Right from the start. Thank you Penelope
Posted by Max on 09/24/2009 at 02:02pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I was always told "Do What you Love" so I did – BFA in theatre, working at a theatre for 5 years. And I'm miserable. I don't love what I do anymore.
Posted by Vicki on 09/27/2009 at 06:23am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I LOVE this post! P, you rock my socks.
Posted by Marian Schembari on 09/30/2009 at 11:27am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I love this article!
I find that when I take something I love and attach "job" or "work" to it, it becomes something else completely different. Work is work, and people forget that. I think people's understanding of – do what you love – is skewed and taken to literally.
Do something that makes you feel valued. Finding achievement in work, for me and I think most people, is what makes a job appealing.
MissMentor
Posted by Lisa on 10/01/2009 at 04:24pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
One weak point in your arguement…
If you love who you are and love your strengths, then doing what you ARE is the same as doing what you LOVE.
Posted by Ryan on 10/02/2009 at 12:09pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
You make some interesting points…
In many ways, I believe that the primary cause of people "getting stuck" is the result of an excessive reliance on "either/or" thinking… when actually tends to be MUCH more than two answers (yes/no, dark/light) to any situation.
Using myself as an example, I have always been "a writer," and I knew I wanted "to write" from age six on. And what I have done "for money" has always had a heavy writing component, even if I never made a living "writing stories." I've been a technical writer, a grant writer, editor, newsletter creator, copy writer and much more. And yes, I've sold an article and story or two, along the way.
The buzzwords-du-jour tell us to "think outside the box." Again, the implication is that we must be IN the box, or OUTSIDE the box. I say, "throw the stupid box AWAY, and invent yourself from the ground up!"
I can appreciate that may be a daunting approach for some, requiring leaps of faith not everyone is willing to face.
Posted by Peter on 10/04/2009 at 01:13pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This advice is pretty solid. I have heard it before: "you need to be practical and stop with all those wishy-washy dreams"! In other words; maintain the status quo and forget "passion" – it is just so unrealistic.
OK, I subscribed to that bit of "practical" advice and left a great opportunity in a fully-funded PhD program to do something that would "make me some money." Well, just five years into it I realize that the people who control what I do and how I spend most of my time (and how much money I make) went ahead and got that PhD. Now I am left wondering 'what if?' because I know that my current path will not allow me to leap-frog these individuals and hence I will ALWAYS play second-fiddle to someone with more credentials. I didn't know this when I threw away my opportunity. You learn as you go – and things change as you see what's really out there. I do believe that if you have the opportunity to REALLY do something that most people can't – give it a fair shot and don't worry about the critics: they don't believe in you and never will. Believe in yourself. You can always work a second job (e.g., deliver pizzas, work a night job, etc.) which can pay the bills while you hone the skills for greatness. At least if you fail you can say "I tried" and put aside the demons of regret which appear as a result of planned mediocrity.
Posted by robert on 10/12/2009 at 11:21am | permalink | Reply to this comment
This is the statement about how to (and NOT to) choose a career/job that I have ever read. Everyone should read this article. Everyone.
Posted by Jenee Geer on 10/20/2009 at 03:55pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm a strong believer in Joseph Campbell's advice to follow your bliss. He even claims that when you do that opportunities will arrise as if by magic. He says to do what you love with no consideration of practicality. His version of Hell is doing what everyone else expects you to do; he tells us we can do what we want to do.
In my life it has worked out. Growing up I was a science and electronics geek but I excelled at high school band and jazz ensemble and my director thought I could be a successful musician. As soon as I thought it a possibility my dream was to be a jazz trombonist and I busted my tail for years toward that dream. When this wasn't happening (even with all my hard work I just wasn't good enough) I found myself working my way through college in unskilled jobs. I didn't have a car so I bought a bicycle for transportation but learning more about bikes I got bit by that bug and started to hang out a lot at my bike shop. Eventually I was spending so much time there that the owner just hired me. I did that for years as well as riding every free moment and racing as often as my finances allowed. Then one of my customers sold me his Atari 800 computer when he got an Apple ][. I was figuring out BASIC and took a computer science class just for fun and did so well there that my professor recommended I take some more classes. After a few classes I found myself being recommended for a research assistant position and from there became a systems administrator. While doing all of this I discovered this thing called the Internet. This was years before the World Wide Web took off but Usenet News, anonymous ftp, gopher, archie, veronica, WAIS, and Internet BBS's started taking up way too much of my time. I was attracted to UNIX and C when the smart students were learning MVS, Cobol, Ada, RPG, etc. When the Web took off I was well positioned.
I consider myself to be a living example of being able to follow your bliss and do well. I have to admit that computers and networks are getting stale. I still don't know what I want to do when I grow up.
Posted by Al Dente on 10/22/2009 at 11:05am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Dumbest thing I've ever read.
Posted by John on 10/28/2009 at 09:27am | permalink | Reply to this comment
brilliant!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by cait on 11/18/2009 at 08:10pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm not sure I agree with you here Penelope. I think the idea behind "do what you love" is that if you are passionate about it, you will work harder at it, learn more about it, and get very good at it.
Traditional career sites like http://www.brightfuturespress.com are full of resources built on the "do what you love" premise.
Would you ask a person who loved basketball, like LeBron James, to become an accountant?
Posted by glr on 12/01/2009 at 08:18pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
If I followed this advice (do what you love) I would be a porn star
Posted by The Padrino Dot Com on 12/13/2009 at 08:27am | permalink | Reply to this comment
what do u think of this
Posted by Gregory Overton on 12/18/2009 at 02:00am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I feel like you know me. You just captured everything that was wrong with my last job and my quest for a new more meaningful one. Do what you love is so overused and doesn't work! You expressed what I have been struggling to communicate to those who don't understand this notion. THANK YOU. I am addicted to your writing- can't wait for a rainy day to read every single post…maybe a rainy weekend.
Posted by Elizabeth Lee on 01/07/2010 at 11:45pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Well,
I think you just gave me the breath of fresh air that I needed. I am a stay-at-home mom who has to go back to work very soon. I always believed you have to do what you love (that way it doesn't seem like work.) But you are so very right: I am doing what I love (caring for my children; volunteering at their schools.) It is true, people value money and although mothering is the hardest job I have ever had, society doesn't value it. So, I'm just going to find a job, just get one as you say. I always put more than 100% in everything I do (and yes, that is exhausting at times) so I may not LOVE the job, but I will certainly DO the job.
Thanks for the push I needed to jump start this job hunt.
Posted by tbgreb on 02/12/2010 at 11:45pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Okay, I just said I'm ready to jump start the job hunt, but honestly, I don't know how.
Posted by tbgreb on 02/12/2010 at 11:51pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope!
You raise some interesting points to ponder! I happen to have the luxury (?) of currently working in an environment I love, providing a service I love, creating a community where most everyone retreats for a hours of bliss after a full day trapped in a career serving only as a (financial) means to an end. I manage a rapidly growing yoga studio in Southern California, which allows me to facilitate health and bliss in several people's lives on a daily basis. With a PhD in Biomechanics, however, some may say I am successfully underemployed! On the verge of receiving an offer for a position "I should do" (more in-sync with my PhD than full-time yoga), I am honestly torn – weighing out the non-financial compensation more so than the financial compensation of each … And yes – I am a 35 y/o woman, about to get married, and planning on kids … more fun factors to weigh in. For love or money? … in my career that is.
Posted by Kat on 02/18/2010 at 12:14am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Kat – I hope you choose love! Unless your family will suffer from not taking the higher paying job, I think you must follow the job that you will enjoy more. I have learned the hard way that more money does not make you happier! Most of the waking hours of your week are spent working, so you should follow the path the gives you more joy, more fulfillment. It doesn't matter what degrees you have or what other people think. Ignore the money and decide which job is truly a better fit for you right now. You won't regret it if you stay true to yourself.
Posted by Laura on 02/18/2010 at 12:43pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This is bull crap. You have to LOVE your job, or else you will go into burnout and quit. You should just say that this article is made for losers with no specific talent- so yes, they need to take ANY JOB. However, if you are any bit crative, then be an entrepreneur. If you are funny, use it. If you want to find a job, a job that suits you, just CREATE IT. We have one life to live and sorry lady, but 40 hours a week in MY LIFE, not just a part of my life. We must love, chersih and grow with our jobs. Maybe if you enjoyed your job more and took chances, your sex life would be better and you would be less eager to give dumb advice.
Posted by Odda on 02/24/2010 at 08:58pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm a big fan of your blog but I must disagree with you on this one.
Posted by MLM Training on 03/02/2010 at 08:30pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
Just found your blog today and read a few of your posts. This one caught my eye as you say because everyone tells you this is the way to go and yes I've succumbed to this advice too. I wanted to see what you had to say about why it was bad advice as I had never read or heard anyone take this tack on this advice.
I absolutely loved your honesty in this posts and the others that I have read and plan to keep reading.
Good stuff.
Chris
Posted by Chris Imamshah on 03/03/2010 at 09:23am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I was initially attracted to your post because I disagreed with your title. However you laid the bait well and your statement about not doing what you love, but doing what you are is absolutely brilliant.
I suppose we all come across people who for some reason or other hate their job or their business. No doubt the original advice came from this issue where love is the opposite of hate. The biggest problem with people who hate what they are doing is that their insincerity and nonchanlence shines through. Eventually, this can cost them the job or business.
Perhaps they just aren't doing "what they are"!
Great post and twist on some old advice.
Cheers,
Posted by Ric Raftis on 03/04/2010 at 12:48pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Arghhhhhhh! It bothers me that I know that my expectations of finding a perfect career are insane… and that I should stop putting that kind of pressure on myself in my late 20s.
It's a terrifying thing to accept and let go of. At the same time, I've been pushing myself to 'find' my dream job for a few years now… it's only made me miserable at my current job.
I’ll read the book you suggested. Perhaps the idea will stick!
Great post!
Azi
Posted by Azi on 03/08/2010 at 04:01pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I can't fully agree with this purely because I have persued a career for financial reward and not for the love and I'm not happy with the job I have but am financially secure. Yet my father left an industrial job to start a career as a sports coach which he's done for 20 years now and hasn't looked back. He works for the love of it?
Posted by Tim Hart on 03/16/2010 at 07:59am | permalink | Reply to this comment