5 Time management tricks I learned from years of hating Tim Ferriss
I have hated Tim Ferriss for a long time. I have hated him since we both had editors at Crown Publishing who sat next to each other and I heard how difficult he is.
I didn’t blog about it because first of all, I’m sure the buzz about me is that I’m difficult, too. And also, his book, The 4-Hour Workweek, was a bestseller and mine wasn’t. So I figured people would say that I’m jealous. And really, what author is not jealous sometimes? I mean, every author wants to write a bestseller.
But at this point, two years later, my hatred goes way beyond jealousy. My hatred is more selfless than that. And while I do understand that Tim is great at accelerated learning, the time management tips I have learned from him stem from the energy I have spent hating him:
1.Don’t hang out with people who don’t respect your time
This all started at SXSW conference in 2007, right before Tim’s book came out, when he was promoting the hell out of it to bloggers. Of course, this was not a bad idea, and to be fair, Tim was brilliant to start this book marketing trend. But that is beside the point. He approached me after my panel and said, “Can I get you coffee? I’d love to talk with you.”
I said, “Uh. No. I have plans.”
And he asked who with.
I wasn’t really sure. I knew there were cool people to hang out with after my panel, though, and I knew he wasn’t one of them. I gave a vague answer.
He said he was also meeting three people, and he name-dropped them. I can’t remember who they were. But they were fun, interesting, and I wanted to have coffee with them. So I said okay.
Then Tim couldn’t find them and I had coffee with only Tim.
Then I realized this was his strategy all along.
I told myself not to be pissy. I told myself bait-and-switch is the oldest sales tool in the world, and it’s my fault for falling for it.
I even wrote a blog post that included his book.
2.Cut to the chase: Tell people who are full of sh*t that they’re full of sh*t
When his book came out, there were vacuous, annoying comments all over my blog directing people to his book. Like, “The topic of priorities is an interesting one. I like how Tim Ferris handles that in his new book,blah blah” and then there’s a link to the book.
At this point I knew Tim, sort of. And I called him on his phone and told him to tell his employees to stop spamming my blog.
First he implied it was his fan base and he had little control.
I said that I thought he was full of sh*t.
He said he’d make sure there were no more comments like that on my blog.
3.Self-centered people are more likely to waste your time
Really, when I found he was spamming my site, I didn’t call him first. First, I emailed him. And I got some sort of crazy response about how he is only checking email twice a day and then instructions on what to do.
I emailed him back to tell him that I do not want automatic emails from him every time I try to contact him.
Which generated another, identical response about how he doesn’t check mail.
So I called him to tell him that he is generating spam back to me to tell me about his email checking and I don’t care. If he wants to check twice a day, fine, but don’t clog my in box with emails about it.
He said he’d take me off his list.
I am STILL getting this sort of spam from him. But the scope has widened. For example, now, he has commented on my blog and he forgot to say that he doesn’t want to be alerted to new comments. So every time there’s a comment, he spams everyone in the comments string, telling them that he doesn’t answer his email.
It’s insane. I cannot believe how many automated announcements I receive saying that Tim does not have a Blackberry. (Yes, the email really says that.) What if we all sent automated emails like that? Email would be totally nonfunctional. What if Tim just shut up about his email and if he thinks its fine to answer twice a day, then he should do that? And not spam everyone about it.
4.Productivity is about meeting your goals, not getting out of doing work
The week that Tim actually works a four-hour work week will be a cold week in hell. Tim got to where he is by being an insanely hard worker. I don’t know anyone who worked harder at promoting a book than he did. But the thing is, he didn’t call it work. Somehow, sliming me into having coffee with him to talk about his book is not work.
Fine. But then his four-hour work week is merely semantic. Because everything Tim does he turns into what the rest of us would call work, and he calls it not-work. For example, tango. If you want to be world-record holder, it’s work. It’s your job to be special at dancing the tango. That’s your big goal that you’re working toward. How you earn money is probably just a day job. So most weeks Tim probably has a 100-hour workweek. It’s just that he’s doing things he likes, so he lies to you and says he only works four hours. He defines work only as doing what you don’t like.
It’s childish. It’s a childish, semantic game. And it reminds me of him winning the Chinese National Kickboxing Championships by leveraging a little-known rule that people are disqualified if they stop outside the box. So he pushed each of his opponents outside the box to win.
He is winning the I-work-less-than-you game with a similarly questionable method: semantics.
5.Time management is about making time to connect with people
The idea of time management only matters in relation to how important the stuff is that’s competing for your time. The stuff that makes time management the most difficult is relationships. Which Tim does not excel in.
Fine. Not everyone has to be good at making real connections.
But Tim runs around telling people who have lots of relationships competing for their time how to think about work/not work, forgetting that in the real world, where people are not assholes, time management is not an equation or a semantic game because relationships really matter. And figuring out how to judge time in terms of competing values is the hardest thing of all.
Tim is all about time management for achievement and winning. But there are not trophies or measurements for relationships. There is only that feeling that someone is kind. And good. And truly connected.
And Tim is not.
thank you… god **** that guy is annoying.
I was just watching your Location Independent webinar with Ryan and you mentioned this post, so I had to stop by and read it. While I don’t agree with everything that Tim says and I realize that the title of his book is deceiving, I’ve taken a lot away from it and applied some of his techniques to my own business, which has allowed me to travel and work, or work from anywhere.
The “buzz about you”, huh? You’re pretty, but I don’t think there’s as much “buzz” about you as you think there is. There might not be any at all, really.
You slept with him, didn’t you? And he never called you again, or returned your calls, and you got the autoresponder when you tried to e-mail him. Is that why you’re so bitter?
Good read… direct and a little harsh? But hey that’s how it should be!
Very interesting article….!
Excellent article. I’ll be looking forward to more!
Good article, although i don’t really have any time to write this comment. I need to manage my time better :-)
I just chanced upon his name a few hours ago. I have to say I don’t trust the guy. I absolutely hate people who does number 1 on your list. It’s how people from networking businesses (those that sell products) trap you into attending their get-rich-quick seminars. It’s cheap.
Successful person manage their time, hope I will be successful, bcz now my time will b managed.
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great post!! thanks so much for this information. will coime in handy.
I read 4HWW a couple of years ago. I leave next month for Italy. I will be living my dream life there, supported by my automated income. It took time to set it up, but I’m living proof that it can be done. Tim’s blog has video case studies on it now for those interested.
Penelope- I find it sad that YOU got to have coffee with Tim. I would LOVE to have coffee with him! You seem like a hater and nothing more. I had to deal with people like you when I was in the Army. Grow up. You don’t have to tear a successful person down to make yourself seem more so.
Very useful, I’m always trying to help my employees manage their time better so that we can be more productive.
Time management is key. # 3 is my favorite.
Very useful, I’m always trying to help my employees manage their time better so that we can be more productive.
thank you very much. and very good site.
Eh Tim has some good point’s but you do to(TC)….what I’m gonna do is take what I learned from both you guys and apply it in my own way..And i’m sure you and Tim didn’t suddenly learn these business techniques without learning from someone else.
It’s fascinating to me that an adversarial viewpoint such as this one is ranked second when I google “Time Management Blog”.) It seems like you and your enemy Tim have picked a particularly successful way to waste each other’s time. And here I am adding another comment to your already comment rich post! But actually, the way that you handle the topic is thorough and impressive. Good work!
Fantastic post! Thank you so much for exposing the real Tim Ferriss for the rest of us! Thanks penelope.
Regards
I assume that your “hate” for him is just tongue in cheek, right?
If anything, you two seem joined at the hip. Maybe you should ask him out? ;)
Chris
I have just finished reading Tim’s book and what he says makes a lot of sense. The only thing this post achieves is to make you appear jealous of his success, particularly since you don’t present any justification for your hatred of him. Also, actually announcing that you hate someone on a blog is crass in the extreme and usually smacks of an inferiority complex. Good luck in your endeavours.
I’ve never thought about other people wasting my time. While reading your article I was thinking of people whom I cannot get off the phone. They just want to chit-chat about nothing, which takes up a lot of my work day.
Firstly, I would like to say I only ever foudn out about Tim Ferris today and have never read his book but I do have a couple of points to make.
First point: Your style of writing oozes the jealousy of a sore loser or an ugly break-up. You are constantly slating Tim Ferris. In fact you are promoting him. DO you realise you’ve just written a whole blog post which revolves around him???
Second point: Regulate your comments if you don’t want people spamming other authors books!! (or get someone to do it for you)
Third point: Don’t take credit for time management tricks by putting your twist to a topic that is decades old,before you and Tim Ferris’ time.
Excellent! Good tips…thanks, Pen.
BTW – the article on the prenup? Maybe it’s just me, but it didn’t seem like pig fodder. Really wasn’t bad…but maybe I’ve become warped from 15+ years in Silicon Valley PR.
I kinda believe you got paid by tim ferris to write this post….It portrays him as cool and makes me want to go out to his site and check him out as to what he is all about…?????
I’ve never read Ferris’ book, but I knew he was a douche when he crowdsourced the cover design for his next book. Crowdsourcing to gain professional services without having to pay for professional services, and trying to disguise it as a contest, is unethical. This was one of the most entertaining blog posts I’ve read in a long time.
This is refreshingly honest. I wish Tim could answer it with a blog post.
Tim who? Never heard of the guy or the 4-hour work week. Based on your personal experience with him, I highly doubt he’s someone I should get to know. Anyways, I hate people that are full of sh*t. Thanks for the warning.
god, i love this post, and wish i had seen it ages ago. thanks @chrisbrogan for directing me here. you, penelope, are my kind of gal. you may call it brazen, but i call it unbridled truth. thank you!
This is one of the best posts I have read in a long time. Thank you! A number of the Twitter messages that we see are full of some of this same self importance.
Thanks for the honesty – it is very refreshing!
When you see shit, is it best to pick it up and show everyone, and say “hey, look at this shit…it’s shit”? Or it it best to just let it sit…step over it and get on with your life?
Tim gave me a fantastic recipe for a three-minute breakfast. Eggs/spinach/salsa+microwave and will carry me from 0500 through lunch! I’m happy.
Penelope,
You completely rocked everything I thought about Tim! I gotta love you for that and all the honesty, all the humor (I know you were serious but you sound like a kitten trying to scratch a little dog’s a**. I definitely love that fact that you don’t like him though, and that hatred turned out to be of positive result on your end. That is a skill that everyone must have, hating is often destructive. In your case, it was miraculously helpful.
You have done a great job and you prove yourself worthy of the time we spent, unlike what Tim did to you.lol
Jonha
#3 is hilarious!
And #4 also makes a very important point…
I read the first edition of 4HWW. Bought the second when it came out and haven’t gotten around to even opening it yet. I clearly need to manage my time better. Just as clearly, I’m also way off my 4-hour work week goal (or even a 20-hour work week goal).
BTW, 585 comments??? Wow!
… According to your tips i should stop hang around with them ( my wast timers friends )… Thx for your tips
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I really like the way that Tim in his new book the 4 hour… – just kidding :-)
Ok so he’s twisted the truth a little. Funny actually that now you point out the ways he’s achieved all these goals obviously took lots of hours of work.
How ironic – a guy who works his rear off just to promote a book about how to work less…
Thanks for the enlightenment though!
I think the idea of time management only matters in relation to how important the stuff is that’s competing for your time. The stuff that makes time management the most difficult is relationships.
I think when it comes to competition friendships don’t count anymore.
Hmh, cutting down the BS game of semantics? Sexy.
You’re naturally upset because Tim Ferris is the Dane Cook of self help. Low-grade but mysteriously successful. The phenomena is strangely commonplace. (I don’t care who loves Dane Cook, he’s a lousy comic.)
I didn’t read Timmy’s book, but I gave it a gander. The underlying idea of escaping day-to-day life that causes an individual nothing but misery is A-OK. Advising hopeful readers to become someone who no one can depend on–and exploiting loopholes for superficial gain–is less than savory.
AFN
I am still laughing. In my industry (I work with speakers/seminars) Tim’s book was all the rave and still is. Some of my colleagues even use the automated email thing – UGH. I liked his book, but kept thinking it could have been summarized into a broad “how to outsource” ebook. Your points nail it and I think they should be given to nice people who don’t know when to be “mean”.
After all, if you want to be a success then spend your time with doers (not talkers). Thanks!
I read this book, and within the first chapters I thought that he sounded like a prick. Any basic understanding of efficiency would lead a person to most of his “innovative ideas”. Of course staring at your Blackberry all day is inefficient! Much of the book is vague as well. For example, he speaks of “making $40,000 a week”. Never once is this reduced to gross or net. He also gives the impression that he lectured at Princeton numerous times, when by all accounts it was once.
I feel sorry for whoever marries him- he’d probably just outsource the sex, and even then only on Tuesdays at 10PM. A lot of his comments don’t have a real world application. For example, yes, you can shop once a week, if you don’t like eating anything fresh by the end of the week. And most people I know pay their bills once a month. These ideas are groundbreaking?
I will admit he is a good self-promoter. Reminds me of the Googlecash guys.
I am about to finish his book and to be honest I enojoyed the majority of it. Yes, some of his antics are “prickish” but that’s what makes him money. You can’t say hes not successful. Overall I say the book is worth reading, but don’t try to be like Tim, unless you like not having friends.
I hope to read crush it, next since I hear it’s the opposite of what Tim offers.
Two things.
You sound like a very unhappy, unproductive, whiney little person.
And the only reason I got to this blog, and wasted my time reading it, was because of Ferriss…yay you.
This is hilarious for a number of reasons. I’ve read Ferris’s book, and while it did have a self-centered tone to it, I think I grew as a person for the read. But what cracks me up is a) your description of the autoresponders, which I agree with, and b) that Ferris has fans who have come here to defend him. What an interesting world…
Tim Ferriss was flexing his biceps (no kidding) for a cadre of adoring fanboys surrounding him in the hallway. This was an amusing vignette, but very much in character.
He’s always struck me as kind of the Martha Stewart of productivity/’lifestyle design’ – collecting and rehashing secondhand ideas, wrapping it all up with his on personal ego-driven brand.
Penelope…I love you! Thanks so much for this post, I couldn’t agree more with your impressions; your wittiness brought some laughs to my day. Though Tim Ferris has some incredible advice about time management, he seems like the kind of guy who is solely interested in only helping himself.
It’s been well over a year and this is still getting posts.
Sarah Palin and Tim Ferriss occupy the same space. Empty, vapid, useless characters, but with clever catchphrases. And they both appeal to delusional fan bases swayed by what they want to hear. “Gov’t is bad”, “You too can be rich without working”. But I would have to say Palin is much more accomplished.
Ferriss started as a vitamin salesman, and moved on to accomplish feats of questionable validity by exploiting the rules. And then he came up with a clever title for a book.
I read it when it first came out, and found it clumsy and rambling. It was a just a clever title, stuffed with a few stories, and seemed like it may have been hashed together in few days. The more I’ve seen of him the more I’m convinced he’s a hack. His Ted talk was pointless, his articles are mainly copy and pasted quotes from other sources. He’s stretched out a very thin premise for far longer than he deserves, just like the former governor of Alaska.
I searched Tim Ferriss and found this post. This sounds just sounds like alot of whining. waa waa. Tim at least has useful stuff to say.
I like the number 2 :D
I agreed with the most.
You have a good point with this article. Your time management tricks were really interesting. Keep it up.
My favorite part of this entire article is the section in which you say “Time Management is About Meeting Your Goals” I find that is so typically forgotten.