Now that I'm not the CEO of Brazen Careerist, I don't have to be the national cheerleader for Generation Y. I fantasized about this moment for years: the moment when I'd write the post titled, 10 Things I Hate about Generation Y.
But it's hard to hate people you hang out with all the time, and the truth is, I've spent the last ten years being a Gen Xer surrounded by Gen Yers. The pinnacle, I thought, was me spending my days fighting with Ryan Healy about work. But in fact, it turns out the pinnacle of my education on Gen Y is my arguments with Melissa about her peers that end in snippy impasse.

Sometimes, I think Gen Y is lame and she won't admit to it.
But, I find, as I think about all the things I hate about Gen Y, that it's hard to hate something you know so much about. And in fact, I have become a way better person myself from studying Gen Y. I have noticed that my worst traits are the aspects of myself I least understand. And that is true of Gen Y, too.
1. Gen Y mistakes the speed of the Internet for their own speed.
Gen Y are not risk takers, they are not conflict-seekers, and they are generally respectful of institutions and organizations. When Gen Y doesn't like something, you probably won't hear about it. They just won't show up. I have written before about the conservative nature of Gen Y.
But what I've noticed lately is that this nature results in Gen Y having a difficult time making decisions. They have had their parents making decisions for them for most of their childhood, and they crowdsource decisions as adults, so when they must make a decision that no one can really help them with, Gen Y often gets stuck. (This is a huge difference from Gen X, who thrive on counter-culture, I-did-this-myself diatribes, and from Baby Boomers, who make all decisions based on how can they look like they are winning against everyone else.)
2. Gen Y wants to look like a winner more than they want to be a winner.
Gen Y is the most team-oriented generation ever. The American experience has been largely about individualism since the Declaration of Independence. So it's a big change for such a huge generation to be more oriented to the group rather than the individual.
The result of this way of seeing the world is that Gen Y is very, very non-competitive. They were in soccer leagues where everyone gets a trophy. They enter the workplace and they have little interest in leading in a hierarchical way. And they love to use the collaborative software that serves, unintentionally, to flatten the workplace hierarchy.
But Gen Y is consumed with their image. Online, they manage themselves like they are celebrities. They revolutionized the art of the self-portrait because they take so many. And Gen Y women are renowned for dressing up at work in great clothes regardless of how much money they make or what the rest of the office is wearing.
But I think what might be the best illustration of this trend is that they don't make enough money for a huge, lavish wedding, but they still want their wedding pictures to be gorgeous, fun and exotic. So they elope, with a photographer, and post all the photos of a great wedding on Facebook.
3. Gen Y misunderstands entrepreneurship.
Gen Y is scared of being screwed-over by corporate America because they saw their parents give up everything for corporate life and then get let down. Gen Y does not want to repeat this in their own lives. So for Gen Y, entrepreneurship is the ultimate expression of their conservatism.
Gen Y thinks the safest route in employment is entrepreneurship, so in poll after poll, the vast majority of Gen Y-ers says they want to own their own business. But what they really mean is they want to have a safety net. They want to feel like if they get laid off they will not be left high and dry like their parents were.
In general, though, Gen Y likes working for someone else. Gen Y likes assignments, they like feedback, they like meetings, group efforts, and after-work happy-hours. These are all the trappings of people who work for someone else. Entrepreneurs are mostly lonely, anxious people, living on the edge of what's normal. And when Gen Y gets an inkling of those feelings, they run back to corporate life.
4. Gen Y thinks they don't believe in God.
For the most part, Gen Y has the same religious attitudes as Gen X. It's just that Gen X frames this as an obsessive drive toward creating inclusive family and inclusive work and communities, and Gen Y frames it as not believing in God.
The reason for the discrepancy is that Gen Y frames their religious views in relation to their parents, and since Gen X had a childhood that will go down in history as negligent parenting, Gen X frames their views in relation to their own values (which, of course, have to do with their backlash against the demise of the family).
So, Gen Y actually does believe in God. Gen Y thinks there is something out there that created matter. I mean, what was there before the Big Bang? Who knows? We can call that God. Gen Y doesn't argue with that. But Gen Y thinks God must mean the Christian God. And if they don't believe in that, they say they don't believe in God.
So, in fact, Gen Y is pretty accepting of all religions, and willing to participate if you put it in front of them. There are no public displays of religious protest as a way to instigate change—that is Baby Boomer territory. And there is no taking a risk and taking a stand to create a solid religious life for their kids like Gen X. Gen Y goes with the flow, supports any religion as long as it supports gay marriage, and hedges against any conflict by saying they are not really religious.
5. Gen Y mistakes their own practical behavior for revolutionary behavior.
In general, Gen Y tries to go through life by ruffling the least feathers. So, for example, Gen Y might appear to be creating a revolution at work by demanding flex-time, fair-wage salaries, and good mentoring. But really, Gen X wanted all this stuff when they were twentysomething as well, but they couldn't get it. So when Gen X took over, they gave it to Gen Y. Gen X is the revolutionary generation.
Gen Y is simply demanding what their parents told them they should expect from the world: Work that matters and work that complements a life that matters. Those revolutionary expectations come from the Boomer parents. Gen Y is just doing what they are told.
I couldn't help thinking this same thing when I read this New York Times article about the trend that as teenage girls Gen Y gave more blow jobs than any generation before. When Baby Boomer women had more sex than any generation in the past, it was a feminist revolution, changing the whole fabric of society. But when Gen Y teens talk about why they give more blow jobs, it's different, but simple: they do it because while their parents told them not to have sex until it really really mattered to them, the boys are, of course, dying to have sex. So one way to keep everyone happy is with blow jobs. It's the ultimate expression of Gen Y practicality masquerading as revolution.




THANK GOD!!!!!
I've been waiting for this post for years.
Thanks for finally writing what the rest of the world thinks about this generation!
Posted by Sally on July 15, 2011 at 11:42 am | permalink |
Brilliant! Even reading it is cathartic.
Posted by clown baby on July 15, 2011 at 12:02 pm | permalink |
The link to the NYT Article about blow jobs is broken.
Posted by Anonymous on July 15, 2011 at 12:16 pm | permalink |
Thanks for letting me know. I fixed it. Fortunately that was not the best link in the post. My favorite article that I linked to in the post was the one about how Generation Y has had enormous influence on the art of the self-portrait. It's an old article, but it has stuck with a me a long time.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on July 15, 2011 at 12:23 pm | permalink |
Ouch. As a gen Y-er who has constantly championed your blog and your writing, I have to admit this kind of stings. I think your points are accurate but at the same time, there is quite the judge-y, hateful undertone that i'm not sure is warranted. Kind of an older sibling being jealous that the younger one got so much attention and had it so easy. We grew up on the cusp of a major technology boom that made the world a completely different place and adapted as we could. We graduated from college (that we were told we had no other option but to attend) with no job prospects competing with people w 20 years experience for an entry level position. We're fighters, adapters and yes, content to focus on ourselves and our own happiness. Not spending every last minute trying to out-do each other and claw to the top. Life isn't all about work. I don't see why that is such a terrible thing…
Posted by erin on July 15, 2011 at 12:31 pm | permalink |
spoken like a true Gen-Yer.
And that's coming from a Gen-Yer.
Everyone my age loves to boo hoo and point out why things aren't perfect: education system sucks, no jobs, we don't get no respect… there's always an excuse. As someone who prides herself in being self-aware and observant of my peers, I think this post is one of the most accurate things I have ever read. The point in the article doesn't seem to be that there is something wrong with life being all about work as you put it. It's just an interesting phenomenon that we all seem to have the same complacent attitude, but we resent being called complacent. We are generational gang of basketcases, which is why we all scramble to advice blogs such as this one to find help and guidance because we have such a hard time deciding anything for ourselves. Yet, how many friends do you have who consider themselves to be progressive and independent? But if we truly were progressive and independent, we'd be out there doing things, not sitting around talking about how, when, and why we might do these things. Gen-Yers chronically skirt around productivity because working for us is a sprint. We work, we facebook, we research something, we read a blog, we respond to an email, we kill time on youtube. The information age has forced us to be inefficient in our ability tackle work, and that trickles into our ability to tackle anything. We lack a Nazi-like drive and determination, which probably makes us more fun at parties, but less likely to light a fire underneath someone's ass (including our own.)
The picture you paint– of a generation of that had to adapt to technology change– I think that gives us more credit than we deserve. We didn't adapt to the technology because we were only children during the technology boom. We just play with the cards we were dealt. And complain how we wish we had different cards.
Posted by melissa on July 15, 2011 at 1:07 pm | permalink |
Interesting take from a Gen Y'er.
I disagree with some of it. For example, I'm often impressed by what this generation is doing. I see lots of movers and shakers – when they can't find a job, they make their own (start a business). I also see them breaking away from convention. Who says you need to work in an office and from 9-5. I'm jealous the internet didn't offer me this same opportunity when I was their age because then I could have raised my kids as I did (I was one of the very few who stayed home) and still do some kind of work.
I also agree with the Gen Y'er. I see this sometimes in my Gen Y kids, like the lack of focus and easy distractions. However, I just assumed they got that from me. I'm the last of the Baby Boomers but apparently I was born 20 years too late because these Gen Y descriptions, both good and bad, describe me to a T.
Posted by avant garde designer on July 15, 2011 at 10:37 pm | permalink |
"We grew up on the cusp of a major technology boom that made the world a completely different place and adapted as we could. We graduated from college (that we were told we had no other option but to attend) with no job prospects competing with people w 20 years experience for an entry level position. We're fighters, adapters and yes, content to focus on ourselves and our own happiness. Not spending every last minute trying to out-do each other and claw to the top. Life isn't all about work. I don't see why that is such a terrible thingâ¦"
…and you didn't invent that. Everything you say here is also true about me and other members of Generation X. And of quite a few people in generations before that, throughout time, even before we were so hung up generations.
Posted by KateNonymous on July 15, 2011 at 2:14 pm | permalink |
Erin, I completely agree with you 100%.
Yes, we grew up on the cusp of a technological boom. May I invite those who disagree with Gen-Y to consider the true scope of it? We're not talking about better software here. We're not even talking about a "paradigm-shift" or any related business-speak bullshit. We're talking about a mindset-shift here: from ruthless competition to soulful collaboration, from ecological indifference to ecologically-minded, from zero-sum game to win-win-win, from rejecting the consumerist "American Dream" to creating our own American dream. A Gen-Y commenter to this post said he/she is happy because he/she is in love and has traveled the world and doesn't want to be a millionaire. I freakin' DIG that. That's US. We refuse to subject ourselves to other people's definition of success.
Bashing Gen-Y with comparisons to Gen-X is ridiculous. Saying that we're not rebellious or progressive or independent is equally ridiculous.
Ultimately, my point is this: we are defining ourselves with our own definitions of success, happiness, etc.
Posted by Varun on July 15, 2011 at 2:31 pm | permalink |
I am of generation x and due to being towards the end of generation x perhaps, I do meet and associate a lot with generation y. They do stay with the parents longer but I must admit that when i was in my twenties I did live off and on with my parents. It all depended on the job market. If I got a job close to home, I stayed at home with my parents. If the jobs were far away, I rented. During those times at home, I saved so much on my modest salary at the time, and have yet to replicate this rate of savings although i now earn four times as much.I admire their environmental consciousness. I am the same. In fact, due to changes like global warming and the seemingly un-ending financial crisis, life is demanding that we be more conservative and more ecologically minded. I agree with some in the post who said that life does not have to be super-competitive and cut-throat. Relaxation is darn important!
Posted by kim on July 23, 2011 at 10:26 am | permalink |
as some one who's between Gen X and Gen Y – you sound immature and delusional. what have you accomplished to deserve such smugness?
Posted by another Melissa on July 15, 2011 at 3:58 pm | permalink |
Great post!!! Being kind of stuck between the two generations I get to see the best (and worst!) of both groups. Seems only recently that Gen Y is realizing the Baby Boomers were full of crap with all this follow your dreams/work defines you nonsense…protesting then turning around a few decades later to buy McMansions…no thanks dreamy Baby Boomers.
Posted by Patty on July 15, 2011 at 12:34 pm | permalink |
Wow, this is a surprising list of stereotypes. Not even stereotypes, but counter stereotypes. While I can't disagree that there are generational differences based on age, I feel like this topic continues to get analysed to death. I've seen more exceptions than I can count from Gen X/Y/Z/Next/Boomers… While I believe we should build business for the future and acknowledge it's changing, I don't agree that trying to pigeonhole generations of people will get us too far. I will concede that it was an interesting read and makes me want to spend some more time on this blog. So, success! -Garry
Posted by Garry Polmateer on July 15, 2011 at 12:35 pm | permalink |
I'm 25 and contemplating the future. All I really see is the person I'm in love with right now, weekends outdoors, and a job that helps people and doesn't make me want to kill myself. Is that so bad? I have no desire to be a millionaire– I already have everything I need. That's perhaps what's most troubling thing to me– at 25, I've accomplished my two biggest life dreams so far: traveling the world and falling in love. And I'm happy. Why is that so annoying? Narcissism, I suppose, is the potential trap.
And I hate happy hour.
Posted by Natalie on July 15, 2011 at 12:36 pm | permalink |
I like what you're saying here, but you're overblowing the historical statements.
"The American experience has been largely about individualism since the Declaration of Independence." No, actually, the American experience has largely been about community building, it's the American MYTH that's about individualism.
"Gen X had a childhood that will go down in history as negligent parenting," this is true only by the current standards. We didn't have to go work in mines, or sew cheap clothes for the upper classes, or get sent off to boarding school at the age of 6. Gen X was relatively pampered, compared to the vast majority of Western children in the last 500 years, or people of the same age in most of the world right now.
Posted by Tzipporah on July 15, 2011 at 12:39 pm | permalink |
"The American experience has been largely about individualism since the Declaration of Independence." No, actually, the American experience has largely been about community building, it's the American MYTH that's about individualism."
You'd probably get a different view from AMerican Indians and black slaves. Or women for that matter. As for the subsequent Gewn x/y/z (millenium) kids, when all has been handed to you with no struggle, you tend to be bland and not know how to work hard for something. Experiencing a bit of discomfort initially to get the prize at the end of the tunnell is not a bad thing. When your parents put you at the end of the tunnel, where is there to go but on the couch with your ipod texting your inane friends?
Posted by Virginia on July 15, 2011 at 1:50 pm | permalink |
Spot on post.
So what can be done to correct this behavior…now that "we" can't use the excuse "but we didn't know"?
Posted by Chris on July 15, 2011 at 12:42 pm | permalink |
Fascinating post today … even more so than usual. As a boomer born in 1960 with a daughter born in 1987, I see a lot of truth in what you're saying about my daughter and her Generation Y friends. I think you're dead right in many ways and it's useful information that can help me navigate the relationship I have with her.
Posted by Elizabeth Harper on July 15, 2011 at 12:59 pm | permalink |
Well written, as usual, but the comments will be skewed on this one: only the Gen Xers and Baby Boomers will say "right on!" or "I agree!". Gen Y readers (like myself) have a hard right eyebrow raised to some of the generalizations you've made.
This post takes the praise you've shared for Gen Y in recent years and turns it on its head. Is Gen Y just a "market" you're an expert in or do you have genuine feelings of admiration (as you've written before) for Gen Y?
Also, when will you write about how annoying Gen Z is? Now THAT will be interesting.
Posted by sandyb on July 15, 2011 at 1:01 pm | permalink |
Sandy, this post definitely doesn't negate what I've written about Gen Y in the past. In fact, this post links to at least ten previous posts I've written about Gen Y, as support for the arguments in this post.
-Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on July 15, 2011 at 1:12 pm | permalink |
Which of the many, many links, tags, favorite posts, etc that are listed in the side bar and footer of every page on this blog specifically support your opinions stated in this post about Generation Y? Every one of them is about Gen Y. That doesn't mean they have anything to do with the specific list of grievances you have posted here.
Posted by Elizabeth on July 15, 2011 at 2:56 pm | permalink |
I appreciate the reply, thank you.
Posted by sandyb on July 17, 2011 at 6:19 pm | permalink |
on the one hand, this makes me feel content about not fitting in with my peers as a gen y-er. on the other hand, maybe i am gen y to a t, since i don't think there is anything too particularly horrible about these criticisms. i don't even see a hateful undertone.
is it possible to be 30 and gen x?
Posted by cortney on July 15, 2011 at 1:02 pm | permalink |
I've heard a lot of young women say that they now have anal sex as a way of "saving their virginity."
The blow job route at least makes more sense.
Posted by Brooke Farmer on July 15, 2011 at 1:04 pm | permalink |
Wow…sex is sex. It's sad all these people giving blow jobs and now you say anal sex? That's the same to me as intercourse.
Posted by Lynn on July 15, 2011 at 4:27 pm | permalink |
My closest friend has a 20 year old son. I've spent a fair amount of time hanging around with him and his friends over the course of the last few years. I have repeatedly heard the anal sex thing from him and several of his female friends. It seems to be just about having *something* they have saved.
Posted by Brooke Farmer on July 15, 2011 at 7:46 pm | permalink |
I find this kind of sad. If you're really honest, giving blow jobs or taking it from behind is not the most gratifying for women. So this means these young women are just doing whatever it takes to get/keep the guy (plus maintain her virginity to please the guy she finally marries). When are women going to start acting for themselves?
Posted by avant garde designer on July 15, 2011 at 11:18 pm | permalink |
Personally, I am a fan of the safe slut. I think women should enjoy sex exactly the same way men do if that is what is gratifying for them (for some women it is and for others it isn't). This isn't a terribly popular view.
Posted by Brooke Farmer on July 16, 2011 at 10:52 am | permalink |
I'm 24 and agree with this post. My generation is apathetic and complacent. And to go with your other points, I work for almost 24/7 when you count my full time work and then "side creative work." (AND I'd like to transition to my creative work/passion full time one day.)
This makes me want to buck against the status quo of my generation and stir up some shit since no one else is! It's true, we've been taught not to offend and we don't make waves, but if you're not taking risks and pissing someone off- is it something worth doing? Is your message or cause strong enough? Is it something unique? Probably not.
Posted by Van on July 15, 2011 at 1:12 pm | permalink |
I'm 27 and from Germany and I completely agree with everything you've said. It's not just the US – the gen Y here is very conservative as well (although they would vehemently disagree – they think they are the most revolutionary generation in history). It sometimes drives me crazy how passive and bourgeois most of my peers are. Not a shred of proper rebellion in them, not even in the face of serious injustice. They like to join anti-nuclear-power demonstrations and wear Che Guevara T-shirts, somehow thinking it makes them as revolutionary as the Woodstock generation; but if things get really serious, if they are personally treated poorly at work or school, they simply bow their heads and don't dare say a thing, displaying an almost self-annihilating compliance.
Here's another great article about it:
http://www.inc.com/millennial-entrepreneurs/is-geny-a-teacup-generation.html
Posted by Jan on July 15, 2011 at 1:16 pm | permalink |
"But Gen Y thinks God must mean the Christian God. And if they don't believe in that, they say they don't believe in God." What if you're Jewish, like me, and part of Gen Y? I know–"the Jedeo-Christian God". Ridiculous–there's Jesus and then there are those who don't believe in Jesus. So please don't lump us together. Other than that, great article and unflattering as it might be, I think some of it is true.
Posted by Ann on July 15, 2011 at 1:22 pm | permalink |
Absolutely spot on! As a sales manager who is a Boomer, I am constantly amazed at the HUGE differences in behavior between X & Y generations. It's tremendously difficult to effectively motivate members of both generations on the same team. There is some wonderful demographic research out there as to why the Y's are so different from X.
Thanks for the great post.
Posted by Lucy G. on July 15, 2011 at 1:37 pm | permalink |
I've had two people DM me about this post, all with different reactions. One is livid. Another is silently cheering you on.
I, in true Gen-Y fashion, think I'm the lone wolf, different from the rest of my whiny ass generation. I'm not upset by any of your points, in fact, I'm sitting here, high on my "I'm one of the good Gen-Y'ers" pedestal and nodding and agreeing and making mental notes of people that fit the descriptions you use to describe how conservative we are.
If nothing else, the post is eye-opening.
If nothing else, I'm realizing that, perhaps, by me thinking that I don't fit into any of this whiny bullshit that my generation does, that I could be exhibiting the same entitlement and garbage that so many people generalize about this generation.
But you know what? You're right about a lot of this.
You were my first official career mentor. Thank you for giving me that. Thank you for telling me that the most important thing to my career is mentoring, because you were right. Am I a better Gen-Yer for realizing and acknowledging that I was doing as I was told by seeking out amazing mentors such as yourself? I know I didn't invent mentoring, but I happen to kick ass at finding good ones, fostering those relationships, and giving back when people seek me out for mentoring as well.
I started my own company so I could live the kind of life I want to live right now, and I could allow that to evolve as my dreams change, instead of royally fucking corporations by leaving them for when something better comes along. But, there is a safety net, as I had my first client lined up and my retainer worked out and an insurance policy in my own name in hand before I made the big jump from my last agency job.
There are a lot of Gen-Yers that are "doing as they were told" because they had awesome parents that let them know, at all stages of development, that they could take on the world. Those are the Gen-Yers I'm proud to call my friends. Do we take credit for being totally awesome and blazing our own path, whatever that may be? Yes, because at the end of the day it is OUR path. We had the support to get there but we're the ones doing it. And there are a shit load of Gen-Yers that sit there and complain about their situation, their community, the world in general, and do absolutely nothing to change it.
Awesome post. And the reactions have been a delight to read as well. Keep on keepin' on, P.
Posted by Sydney Owen on July 15, 2011 at 1:55 pm | permalink |
Well said, I really enjoyed reading your post. I network constantly, instinctively and I love it (if only I could make a career out of it). I too have awesome mentors and so what if my Dad told me at 15 to do it, was he wrong?
I am nervous to start my own business but inspired by your story. I Will make my own path and it Will be amazing and I can't wait to get there and thank all my mentors along the way.
Posted by Amy Gibson on July 17, 2011 at 9:25 pm | permalink |
Having the link to your book at the bottom of the site that houses this post is a nice touch.
Posted by Marshal Thomas on July 15, 2011 at 2:06 pm | permalink |
Your comments about gen x/y are strange. If I could pay you to stop stereotyping people when they were born, I would. I am so called gen X and I have NOTHING in common with you. I am married, pro life, have faith in God, two children, and I don't view life at all as you do.
Do you have nothing better to do with your time than dream up things to write about that are irrelevant? On second thought, please don't answer that.
Posted by Dan on July 15, 2011 at 2:07 pm | permalink |
Can I just point out that you don't justify a point whatsoever in your comment? You seem to being saying that being married (something you and Penelope share, by the way), pro-life, and having "faith in God" and kids (also, like Penelope) makes you the opposite of the stereotypical Gen Xer? You've completely lost me. If you don't like what Penelope writes, why do you read it? Just to make pointless comments with unnecessary political undertones?
Posted by Harriet May on July 15, 2011 at 3:24 pm | permalink |
There are almost 7 billion people in this world.
If something is irrelevant to you, there are still cca 6.9999 billion people left that might find it relevant and agree with it.
I do. A lot others do as well. That probably really scares you.
Besides, do your time and life really hold that little value to you that you willingly spend them reading blogs you find irrelevant?
Posted by Jan on July 15, 2011 at 3:29 pm | permalink |
In defense of my Gen-Yers, let me say that practicality is a revolution in and of itself. (We've grown up witnessing the problems associated with excess). Or, let us find a middle ground by realizing that every generation has it's own (personal, context-specific) revolution.
As far as saying we're "conservative", may I invite you to consider using the word "risk-averse"? "Conservative" has a political undertone to it and, if you check out stats of the 2008 election, you'll see that most of us are not political conservatives. We might be "risk-averse" in general, but we are at times risk-neutral and risk-loving.
And I don't believe Gen-Y likes "working for someone else". We like being social. We like working together. Sometimes that means working for someone or having someone work for you. You're right, we dislike hierarchy, and find stuff like http://www.bettermeans.com totally sick.(full disclosure: I am in no way affiliated with them).
We mostly reject the winner-takes-all mentality & the zero-sum game(we see how it is soulless). We reject the economics of scarcity and embrace the economics of abundance. We've realized that collaboration is better than competition and, in a world that's more interconnected than ever, we'll thrive because of it. (It's not that we don't compete…we are now doing so in our own way on our own terms)
Honestly, I'm starting to think we're the human embodiment of Steven Johnson's book "Emergence": Intelligent & independent creatures who like hive-minded interdependence.
Posted by Varun on July 15, 2011 at 2:07 pm | permalink |
"Gen Y are not risk takers, they are conflict-seekers, and they are generally respectful of institutions and organizations."
Penelope, do you mean they are NOT conflict-seekers? Because it's hard to be someone who seeks conflict while also being someone who doesn't take risks and is respectful of institutions.
Posted by KateNonymous on July 15, 2011 at 2:17 pm | permalink |
I wondered the same thing when I read that.
Posted by Pen on July 15, 2011 at 3:22 pm | permalink |
Yeah. I fixed it. I always marvel at the errors I make on these posts. Most posts take me about five hours to write. And even after I hit publish, I make ten changes in the first five minutes it's posted. With all that attention, it's ridiculous that I could have such a glaring error.
I think there is some lesson here, about how if you work too hard the work doesn't pay off. Or diminishing returns. I think I should link now to my post titled Don't Be the Hardest Worker. But I like being the hardest worker for what I love doing. So I'm not linking.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on July 16, 2011 at 7:29 am | permalink |
Love it! A found myself agreeing and arguing with you as well as learning something new all in one read. Signed an a-typical gen y…
Posted by Smiley on July 15, 2011 at 2:22 pm | permalink |
As a Gen Xer who now is in middle management in tech, I feel validated by point 5. I grant my team all sorts of flexibility, often quietly outside the bounds of what the company allows, simply because I wanted it back when and couldn't get it. I know that it makes all the difference in terms of loyalty. Every time one of my team wants to work from home, or keep an odd schedule, or whatever, I know I'm putting dollars in the Bank of Good Will. I also know I can make withdrawals from that bank when the chips are down — and my team has always risen to the occasion.
Posted by jim on July 15, 2011 at 2:22 pm | permalink |
Great post – spot on. Something employers need to adjust for when hiring particularly new uni grads. Also helpful for families where siblings span from Gen X thru Y.
Posted by Sarah on July 15, 2011 at 2:26 pm | permalink |
This post shows exactly what is wrong with both Gen X and Gen Y. Since Gen Y has already been explained above allow me to give a counter point. Gen X wants credit for 'giving' Gen Y 'all the good things they have.' Gen Y is very conservative (as stated above), and as a result doesn't trust Gen X's gifts. Gen Y watched Gen X run away from their own problems in career, social life, and spirituality. I would argue that resignation is the defining trait of Generation X. Gen X is the first generation to survive the 'one hit wonder' nature of modern career accomplishment, and are jealous as hell of the younger group who may be able to respond to disappointment in a more effective way than they have. Thanks for the post. My blood is boiling. I haven't read something that got me this genuinely wound up in a long time. Real controversy is an amazing thing.
Posted by Elizabeth on July 15, 2011 at 2:34 pm | permalink |
On a side note: my first impulse was to rip your opinion to shreds on the grounds that it is based on your own extremely narrow experience with others. In other words, you had this opinion before you ever dealt with Gen Y by your own admission, and are using conversations with one or two specific people to back them up. This argument is so awful it is pathetic. I wanted to give you credit for writing something so potentially inflammatory, but I'm not sure you even did it on purpose. I guess the results the same either way.
Posted by Elizabeth on July 15, 2011 at 2:42 pm | permalink |
sorry- "results are the same"
Posted by Elizabeth on July 15, 2011 at 2:43 pm | permalink |
Whew. I'm a 71-year-old outlier – at least Charlie Gilkey once called me that; I describe myself as the world's oldest living blogger — and this post just made me tired. So full of generalizations. So "I've heard all this before," however carefully thought out and intelligently written.
I guess 7 decades of living and observing must mellow one's perspective.
Posted by Jean Gogolin on July 15, 2011 at 2:55 pm | permalink |
Jean, love it that you're contributing to Penelope and blogging. I sometimes feel out of place for doing the same, but, hey, it's good to know I shouldn't – I'm only 50.
I agree with generation generalizations to a point. But overall, I maintain that instead of defining generations, we should define ages of our lives. Even though generations go through each age in different cultures, economics, histories, etc., in many ways they're still the same. Twenty-year-olds always are going to save the world and do things better than their parents did. Thirty-year-olds always have just enough life experience to think they know everything and 40-yr-olds typically begin to realize they don't. And so on.
I'm not old enough to know subsequent age generalizations but I bet there are many. I do know, though, that young adults always have ideals but as time goes by and life happens, they realize ideals and realities usually are two different things. Just like the Baby Boomers ended up being the very people they despised in the 60's, it's likely the following generations will do the same.
PS: Jean, your blog would be easier to read if you chose a different font (I'm a graphic designer).
Posted by avant garde designer on July 15, 2011 at 11:08 pm | permalink |
Thanks, avant garde designer; good to hear from you. What do you suggest as a font for my blog? I enlarged it to make it easier to read . . . . I'm using Headway.
Posted by Jean Gogolin on July 16, 2011 at 9:56 am | permalink |
I think you're right about Gen Y and entrepreneurship: everyone I know wants to open a bar/bakery/specialty store or work from home as some sort of event planner. But I never wanted to be an entrepreneur until recently, when I considered the possibilities it presents (not for safety, but for innovation). Mostly because my Baby Boomer dad was perhaps ahead of the game, and became disillusioned with Corporate America while he was still there. So he gave up everything to start a company (in derivatives), got screwed over by the board he created, and returned to the corporations to earn enough money for his next venture. Actually, it was contracting Transverse Myelitis that really pushed him to make his next move; I guess maybe because once you find yourself paralyzed and in hospital for months on end, how much lonelier and anxious can you get? (Not to mention that then the world collapsed largely due to derivatives and another opportunity presented itself, but that's a different story.)
As for me, I'd rather read Byron than bother learning what SEFs are. So there's where I differ from my dad– and more than creating revolution, don't we all just want to be different from our parents? But I think that I've always been anxious and lonely too, so entrepreneurship probably is not such a huge leap for me. I'm already immersed in it, working for my dad's newest startup. There we are all Gen Yers that form the core, and as it so happens, we do collaborate (over competing). But we are such a small company that every person more or less represents what would be a department in a corporation. So we need each other more than we present any sort of threat, and surely that model, paired with Skype, breeds collaboration? That's not to say I don't up my game, though, when someone else is making a good impression with their work. Hey, I still need someone to recommend me on LinkedIn, after all.
Posted by Harriet May on July 15, 2011 at 3:13 pm | permalink |
People thinking they are "entrepreneurs" because they open a little shop or restaurant . . . completely wrong.
Entrepreneurs do something new, daring, different.
Working for one's self by opening a shop or restaurant or whatever may be a challenge — but if it isn't a new idea, it isn't "entrepreneurship."
Posted by PFJ on July 16, 2011 at 6:21 pm | permalink |
you are completely overlooking the fact that a business that looks familiar can build on what's come before and incorporate new ideas. out of the million places you can buy a hot dog on the street, there's that guy who does something different, attracts all the business, then everyone copies him. there is always room to extend other people's ideas, reinvent a stale business, etc.
don't you remember the seinfeld umbrella twirl episode?
also – you're just wrong. an entrepreneur is someone who starts and runs a business, not someone who invents something entirely new. check your dictionary. what looks old hat to you as a consumer doesn't feel that way from the inside – it's always new (to the entrepreneur), always a challenge, always happening at 60 mph in a new world.
Posted by Lori on July 17, 2011 at 7:51 am | permalink |
Great blog, Penelope.
Posted by vicky on July 15, 2011 at 3:37 pm | permalink |
This could not have been more spot on. Well done.
Posted by Jake on July 15, 2011 at 3:52 pm | permalink |
Thanks for posting this, Penelope. I am someone who straddles Gen X & Y (turning 34 this year) and I have a customer base that is a mix of both. I find this post (and other Gen X/Y posts) helpful in framing how each group thinks and acts. I find the Gen Y'ers I work with adaptable, collaborative, just a tad conformist (this could also be labeled risk averse).
This post is more food for thought, helping me understand and build relationships. Penelope's posts are often provocative. Think and draw your conclusions.
Posted by Q on July 15, 2011 at 3:59 pm | permalink |
O.k…I agree with some of this, but not all. Maybe I see myself between Gen X and Gen Y? (I am 44, born 1967). I am right in the middle of Gen X – I think?
I do agree with some of your post on Gen Y but I thought my cousin was considered a "Milennial" and not a Gen Y. Maybe she is Gen Y?
My cousin is 25 (born end of 1985) and she does seem to act very entitled and kind of has an attitude that she knows more than Gen X and Baby Boomers (her parents). But maybe it's just her personality. She has said she wants to have her OWN business. Of course she does! She doesn't want to take orders or work for any boss. She wants to be in charge. She does have a lot of friends, mostly groups of friends and they are from her private school days and college. And, yes I noticed she does a lot with groups of friends. I think that is a good thing about this generation!
They happen to be born when all the technology took off. When I got out of high school I learned how to use a computer at my first job and progressed from there.
I really don't like Facebook all that much…I think Gen Y and generations under it LOVE it!!
I cannot stand all those photos shots of people posing for the camera with millions of photos of oneself. It seems very, very self-involved and ridiculous to me.
I think Gen Y will start speaking up a lot more as they all graduate from college and see jobs are NON-existent! I feel bad for anyone dealing with that.
I wish my parents encouraged me more and paid more attention so I do agree with the lack of parenting for GEN X.
BUt it's the TOTAL opposite with GEN Y and Milennials! My gosh, there parents are OVER-involved. I noticed how competitive parents were in the 80s with their kids baseball teams etc…and schools, grades, etc…
And at least GEN Y was told they HAD to go to college. That is definitely good parenting because it's very competitive out there even with a college degree. So one must AT LEAST have a degree. Today a B.A. isn't enough. Most have to get a Masters degree and even that doesn't guarantee the job/career you want.
My guess is that we will see less apathy and more outrage as GEN Y feels the "depression" (and not it's not a recession…we are in a depression….) I mean the parents of GEN Y are hurting…loss of jobs, homes, retirement so they can barely help their unemployed college educated kids as it is.
These kids are used to the word NO so as the economy worsens they will feel it more and more and hopefully learn from this more than Baby Boomers and/or us (Gen Xers!)
Lynn,
San Diego, CA
Posted by Lynn on July 15, 2011 at 4:19 pm | permalink |
At the end of my post I meant to write that GEN Y is NOT used to the word – NO. They are used to getting their way and told how great they are from their parents. (maybe not all but in the 80s…parents were changing and learning to tell their kids how great they are at whatever it is they do. And told they could be whatever they wanted to be – but go to a good college first.
Posted by Lynn on July 15, 2011 at 4:23 pm | permalink |
Pish all of this isn't as harsh as you might be lead to believe through the comments – To critique is to care enough to wish for correction.
Posted by Olivia on July 15, 2011 at 4:23 pm | permalink |
As a Gen Y-er I see nothing to disagree with here, even as a self-labeled atheist liberal. I just have one question: now what?
Posted by Anca on July 15, 2011 at 4:49 pm | permalink |
I'm not sure the function it serves to lump age groups into big stereotyped buckets. I'm on the wikipedia demographic starting point of Gen Y (31 yrs old) and I don't see this behavior in my generation or the mid twenties one either. I'm a white collar project manager/team lead so I'm pretty networked in my organization.
I get the feeling this article is more cathartic for the author than useful.
Posted by Jenn on July 15, 2011 at 4:53 pm | permalink |
"they are conflict-seekers"
Penelope, did you mean "conflict-avoiders"?
Posted by Anca on July 15, 2011 at 5:24 pm | permalink |
Generalizing like this is about as valid as an astrological reading. It's thought provoking, but it's really just another stereotype in a culture already full of them. Sorry for the five minutes I lost reading it.
Posted by Sarah on July 15, 2011 at 5:35 pm | permalink |
There is no committee that meets every Tuesday to dream up the stereotypes. Stereotypes exist solely because they're true. They are the most empirical thing that there is.
Posted by Alan on July 17, 2011 at 5:39 am | permalink |
I kind of agree with Sarah, except to qualify it by saying that stereotypes exist because they are -often- true. Obviously they can't all always be true.
Also, regarding 1. Gen Y mistakes the speed of the Internet for their own speed. I have to say that often they mistake the WORK of the internet for their own WORK. My teacher friend recently had a high school essay handed in where the kid hadn't even deleted the *need citation* note from Wikipedia!
I couldn't stop laughing about it, but it's obviously not a good trait.
Posted by my honest answer on July 18, 2011 at 3:14 pm | permalink |
we just have more tool available so everyone can be an artist/musician/designer. there's no longer that huge barrier to entry (financial and distributionwise) to create "professional" quality music and visuals. so everyone is an artist. gen y has the tools and the methods to "follow their dreams" while at the same time is able to work in the corp world. weekend dreamers if you will.
Posted by tiger on July 15, 2011 at 5:35 pm | permalink |
Great post!!
Posted by victoria on July 15, 2011 at 6:21 pm | permalink |
Perhaps Generation X and the Baby Boomers should attempt to adapt to a changing workplace and/or shut the hell up. Just saying
Posted by Anthony Delebreau on July 15, 2011 at 6:36 pm | permalink |
PeneLOPE,
this is genius. An instant classic. I plan to tweet this once a week for the next 52 weeks. thank you. jake
Posted by jake karger on July 15, 2011 at 6:40 pm | permalink |
This blog post is interesting. It is true in parts, but to a Gen-Yer you missed the mark. We do believe in God, just not the same way the past generations have. We do see our practical actions as revolutionary, not because they are revolutionary acts, but because we share them and make them public. That is revolutionary. This is mainly due to social media. We are team players but the game has changed so this generation play to knock others out, but rather to challenge each other… I could go on and on. It's all true, but do you get it?
Posted by SD on July 15, 2011 at 7:18 pm | permalink |
I'm …not even entirely sure where I stand.
Where do you put the bar between Gen X and Gen Y?
Posted by Zingus on July 15, 2011 at 7:58 pm | permalink |
Hey Penelope,
Thanks for writing this. I am a career coach and I find some (well quite a few) of this group really fit this description and I worry how they will fare in the world as they move through it. I wondered if you'd read the theories on repetitive generational cycles/patterns put forth by authors/researchers Strauss and Howe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss_and_Howe … their ideas are very intriguing and your description sounds like it fits well with a current repeat of the Silent Generation.
Have loved reading you for years… fun to have you branching out into new territories!
Judy (Victoria, BC Canada)
Posted by Judy M on July 15, 2011 at 9:15 pm | permalink |
Thanks for the link, Judy. I love Strauss and Howe. Anyone who is interested in understanding history through the lens of generational trends should read their research. It's so fun and it really made me see the world differently.
I was a history major in college and I'm shocked that professors did not spend more time teaching us to think in the way that Strauss and Howe do — they show patterns for not only understanding the past but also predicting our future. And that's really what history is all about.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on July 16, 2011 at 7:34 am | permalink |
What REALLY scares me is what's happening to the NEXT generation. I attend a conference every year in Aug. This year it seems to coincide with the beginning of school. One colleague (a gen-Xer) told me she couldn't make the first day because it was her daughter's first day of high school. Another because it was her daughter's first day of COLLEGE. Do today's young people even WANT their parents around for first day of high school?? first day of college?? I'm a baby boomer and clearly remember that I didn't even want my mother walking me to school the first day of kindergarden.
Posted by Reader on July 15, 2011 at 9:19 pm | permalink |
maybe they're not hovering over their kids taking videos; maybe they're just marking what is to them (the parents) a momentous, important day. boomers were at work missing the school play, soccer game, etc. gen x'ers are determined to "be there" for the important stuff.
i get tired of people who react to every close family as though it's a dysfunctional mess.
Posted by Lori on July 17, 2011 at 7:55 am | permalink |
The first day of school is not a momentous family occasion! The first day of high school and college are important simply because they are days when the child needs to pull up their big boy pants and manage it by themselves. They shouldn't have their parents hanging around as back-up — that undermines the experience entirely! The problem with too many Y-ers is that their parents never gave them a chance to handle anything by themselves, never trusted them to do anything upsupervised, never gave them responsibility to make minor decisions and handle things on their own. As a result, we have too many "adults" who cannot take adult responsibilities or make adult decisions (#1 above). These skills don't just magically appear, they require practice and their parents were around so much they never gave them any practice.
This is also an example of where the parents are inappropriately making the kids the center of the universe, which leads to that sense of entitlement and narcissism.
Posted by Debbie on July 17, 2011 at 11:21 am | permalink |
disagree that the first day of college is not a momentous occasion. re: "big boy pants", my 14yo is starting college in six weeks. i'm driving him, but then he doesn't have a license. we will probably get pizza to celebrate. there will be high-fives involved. i get what you're saying, but you're assuming "parents who celebrate their kids' momentous occasions" = "helicopter parents who don't let their kids fail/do anything by themselves/etc.". i don't equate those things, because i'm a celebrator and not a micromanager.
it is a fallacy that kids whose parents aren't around and don't give a crap about what they do all turn out to be awesome achievers. it is an equal fallacy that kids who come from close families are emotionally crippled and can't think for themselves or figure out how to microwave a burrito on their own.
seriously, do you think that believing a kid's first day of college is a momentous occasion equals making your child the center of the universe? when IS it okay to call it momentous? first wedding day? first grandchild? (subsequent weddings/grandchildren = yawn)
i love my kids. i celebrate their stuff. first day of college, yay. first published article, yay. wrote their first short story, yay. wrote and directed their first short film, yay. and they celebrate my stuff. we support one another, we encourage one another, we talk about how things are going. you can love and value one another without being dysfunctional.
Posted by Lori on July 17, 2011 at 4:34 pm | permalink |
It makes sense that you will drive your 14yo to college since he can't drive. I adore my kids, but no, the first day of high school/college is not a momentous family occasion for me to attend. When my kids walk out the door for high school/college, I'll be proud of them and excited as they start the next phase of their lives, but why would I drive them there? Dropping them off won't make me feel any prouder of them and I think my presence would undermine their independence.
I realize that some baby boomers were crappy absent parents, but just because my parents allowed me to walk to school and stay home by myself for an hour or two when I was a kid doesn't mean they were negligent. I have the best parents ever (baby boomers) and I know they were proud of me and I never wanted them around for my first day of high school, or God forbid, college! Those were times for me to be independent and not under my parent's supervision. I felt fully supported and loved and that my parents knew I could handle everything without them being there and I want my kids to feel the same way.
I want my kids to accomplish things and figure out things on their own like how to find your way around a new school all by yourself, how to walk to school all by yourself. I'll be at home ready to high five them and talk to them about how their day went, but I don't need to be next to them while they are having that experience. They need to have it by themselves.
And frankly, my life can't revolve around my grown children, so no, "I have to drive my 18yo to college" seems like a lame reason to miss something important for my work.
Posted by Debbie on July 18, 2011 at 12:20 am | permalink |
all reasonable. i just want to throw out there that in some families, kids are much more independent as a matter of course and therefore you can celebrate the "momentous occasions" (the kids' .. and the parents') without crippling their ability to do things on their own.
you say "my parents knew I could handle everything without them being there and I want my kids to feel the same way". i just want to reiterate: celebrating milestones isn't the same as not believing they can do things on their own. my children are competent, capable, self-assured – and they know it, and they know we know it. hopefully a parent doesn't leave it off till the first day of high school or college to let their child test his wings.
Posted by Lori on July 18, 2011 at 7:29 am | permalink |
As member of generation Y, helicopter parenting is one of the most annoying things in the world. It's one thing to help a child move into a new dorm or apartment, that's just pitching in a helping hand for family. However, I've seen incidents where a young man or young woman over the age of 18 will have their parents call the college office or professors when something doesn't go the way that's planned. I also feel residual embarrassment because it's absurd that parents feel they have to still get involved in conflict. Pure and simple: if you're child is not mature enough to solve their own conflicts and learn from errors, they are not mature enough to attend college.
I get that my generation is the "self-esteem" generation but dealing with pressure and disappointment is part of the learning process, as is fighting one's own battle. You have to stop holding your child's hand at some point, and college is typically a good place to start.
Posted by M. Jordan Lichens on July 18, 2011 at 1:37 pm | permalink |
@M. Jordan Lichens — Good to get your perspective. Parents calling professors and college administrators much less employers and hiring managers just boggles my mind! I know I would have been totally embarrassed if my parents felt the need to do that and I'm glad there are younger people who have enough capability and pride to realize they can handle this stuff on their own.
Celebrating occasions is different from having to be there for every occasion, but even then, I think it can be concerning in some cases. I know several GenYers who's parents celebrated everything they ever did and as a result those adults are now entitled and narcissistic and expect everyone else to celebrate everything they do and they expect their parents to continue to help them out all the time. These adults have not been prepared to be adults and are the sterotypical GenY. They can't find or hold down a job and so are still reliant on and even living at home with their parents after college.
I have to say, this is my biggest fear for my own kids — that they will be 25 or 28 and still wanting to live with me and not be able to stand on their own!
I think my best chance to avoid this is to follow my parents' lead more than many of peers do and give my kids less empty praise and more freedom and more responsibility at a younger age and expect them to rise to that challenge, just like my parents did with me.
Of course that doesn't start at high school. It starts at a very young age with chores and responsiblities and upsupervised unorganized play time and doing things like walking to school, playing in the neighborhood, and dealing with teachers by themselves.
And my giving them the gift of me not being there every second of the day, attending every little thing, giving them the chance to do things on their own and figure things out on their own, in small, age-appropriate and ever-growing doses. When I'm not there, they can take small risks and problem-solve on their own, critical skils that must be allowed to develop from the time they are very small if they have any shot of being competent enough to move the hell out of my house before age 27.
I'm an involved, supportive parent and we'll talk about their day around the dinner table like my parents did, but I don't need to experience it right next to them. I want to let them have their time and experiences on their own.
I think that's healthy and it's the only way they will ever be prepared to one day handle professors and employers on their own without me. And that's my absolute goal as a parent — for my kids to become functional grown-ups.
Posted by Debbie on July 18, 2011 at 2:17 pm | permalink |
for more about the dark side of praise, read po bronson's article on carol dweck's work in NY mag or alfie kohn's "punished by rewards".
Posted by Lori on July 19, 2011 at 8:01 am | permalink |
@Lori, thanks for the references! That's a great article on the damage praise can do to kids (http://nymag.com/news/features/27840/) and I'll definitely have to put the Kohn book on my list!
Posted by Debbie on July 19, 2011 at 12:06 pm | permalink |
I love your writing, but this article has so many links I can't read it.
Posted by K on July 15, 2011 at 9:23 pm | permalink |
Here's a hint, K–you don't have to click on the links.
Posted by John Cooper on July 16, 2011 at 9:52 am | permalink |
Louis CK on Conan saying the same thing in different words. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itn8TwFCO4M&feature=player_embedded#at=96
Posted by Jeremy Nelson on July 15, 2011 at 10:02 pm | permalink |
As a retired boomer Marketer who now teaches marketing to Gen Y students at our local college, YOU TOTALLY NAILED IT!!!
My hat is off to you for hitting the dead center of the Gen Y bullseye with this one … VERY well done!
Posted by Davers6 on July 15, 2011 at 10:21 pm | permalink |
If you ever want to understand the nature of a generation, just ask a marketer.
Posted by dumpster on November 3, 2011 at 11:54 am | permalink |
Really interesting article, and I admit – as a Gen Yer, I see a lot of myself in this list. (In fact, most of the time that you describe Gen Y it's almost like you're writing about me specifically.) But being aware of my shortcomings is the first step to overcoming them, right? For instance, I know I'm more likely to crave the stability of the corporate lifestyle, so in order to have the writing career I've always dreamed of, I'll have to push way out of my comfort zone. I'm most comfortable working for other people, so being my own boss will mean I'll have to look to myself for direction. As always, thanks for the insight.
Posted by Amy on July 15, 2011 at 10:26 pm | permalink |
Being a Gen X'er I'd love to bash the Y'ers and I agree with a lot you have to say. I have read you for a long time so I know that you have hyped them tremendously. Sometimes (at least from my experience) I feel as though the Y'ers get hired at my office and within a month or so are wondering why they haven't been promoted, or why they can't do the work they want to do and not the work that they have been hired for.
BUT, reading through the comments I had a thought: I was raised by hardworking, old-fashioned parents. I worked instead of participating in sports, etc. And then when I got out of college I got into the job market when things were soaring. I was able to pick and choose and make a good living without even trying while getting experience and working my way up.
Now here we have a generation who grew up "getting a trophy" no matter how they finished. Yet now they are being forced into a work environment of great competition and low wages. That's two strikes against them. Maybe we need to give them a break and realize that in ten years they are going to be pretty dang successful due to the fact of the shocking adjustments they needed to take to transition into adulthood.
Posted by Elisabeth on July 15, 2011 at 10:46 pm | permalink |
About #3
I think a lot of people say they want to own their own business because they want to do what they love. Unfortunately, it's hard to figure out how to make money doing that. So, we stay or boomerang back into corporate america. I'm seeing more "personal projects" among friends, a kind of side hustle to test the waters. The risk averse way.
More of a backlash to corporate america is our non-apologetic job hopping. We've figured out we can get more by going somewhere else. Seeing what happened to our parents has made us more comfortable in switching companies to get what we want.
Posted by Daniel Lai on July 15, 2011 at 11:10 pm | permalink |
YES! YES! YES!
This is the part where I subscribe to your blog. Forever I hope.
Posted by Arsene Hodali on July 16, 2011 at 2:05 am | permalink |
"When Gen Y doesn't like something, you probably won't hear about it. They just won't show up. I have written before about the conservative nature of Gen Y."
I(Gen Y) agree and disagree here, and yet I was going to forgo leaving a comment. I changed my mind.
The reason I don't speak out even though I dislike something is because that something isn't very important to me. It seems trollish to always comment when you disagree or dislike something, especially if that something is small. I think many Gen Yers would prefer to spend time building something we support, rather than protesting or dismantling something we oppose. We choose to ignore some things even though we disagree because we are tolerant.
Posted by Kristin on July 16, 2011 at 3:45 am | permalink |
After all those blogs you wrote in which you uncritically praised Generation Y, I'm surprised that the scales have fallen from your eyes. Yes, they are human and fallible. They don't have all the answers.
I thought your first, third, and fifth points were especially relevany.
Posted by Jim C. on July 16, 2011 at 9:06 am | permalink |
1. Exactly right – with very few exception most of my friends and I follow defined tracks. When no one pressures us, we flail.
2. Exactly right – this is true as well. I notice from conversations with friends, that people are very reticent about mentioning any accomplishments that might seem competitive. In fact, it's almost shocking when people I hang out with explicitly state any aspirations that involve besting others for our own gain/profit.
3. Exactly right – my attitude to a T.
4. This is true too. People define themselves as spiritual or agnostic.
5. We have way too much respect for authority and give our parents too much say in our lives. Some of my friends leave the city we live in every weekend to see their parents. These people have never had serious relationships.
This post was very incisive.
Posted by Tom on July 16, 2011 at 10:40 am | permalink |
P – Thank you for #5. I know you don't like to really write about Gen X because people don't really want to hear it – or they just don't care. But Gen Xers need to hear it.
Posted by GenerationXpert on July 16, 2011 at 12:55 pm | permalink |
"Gen X had a childhood that will go down in history as negligent parenting". It has nothing to do with being forced to work in mines or sewing factories that other children had to do in previous generations …
The word is "negligent". Our parents made a choice.
Anyone who doesn't believe this should realize how many of us have no idea if we should actually attend our absent parent's funeral when the time comes.
Posted by Amy on July 16, 2011 at 1:23 pm | permalink |
Yeah . . . I missed both my biological dad's and step dad's funerals myself.
I don't think they would have minded. They both displayed the epic narcissism of the Baby Boomers, the only one they care to have attend were themselves.
Posted by dumpster on November 3, 2011 at 11:49 am | permalink |
It appears that the strategy of ignoring what one doesn't like and just 'not showing up' is the exact one you take when deciding which comments to respond to, Ms. Trunk. Are you going to address any of the posts that call this article out as being bitter, self-indulgent garbage? Do you believe blogging is an appropriate platform to voice one's opinion with no intention of engaging in any discussion that may cause the original opinion to evolve? I thought this was supposed to be social media, not Ann Landers.
Posted by Elizabeth on July 16, 2011 at 2:40 pm | permalink |
Since this is my blog, I do say whatever I want. And then I choose to respond to whatever I want.
And, when I was growing up, I totally loved Ann Landers.
I actually think your comment is hilarious. So I'm responding to it to make sure people notice it.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on July 16, 2011 at 4:21 pm | permalink |
haha, it is hilarious, and your reply did cause me to read it.
Posted by Lori on July 17, 2011 at 8:02 am | permalink |
I actually like Ann Landers too, otherwise I wouldn't have felt confident referencing her. I have to say, in addition to supplying sage wisdom on gum chewing and thank-you notes, she's a fantastic target for any joke about antiquated thinking. Her trademark 'old-fashioned' image IS what keeps readers coming back to her weekly advice column to deal with the sticky situations they encounter in the modern world.
Thank you for the response!
Posted by Elizabeth on July 17, 2011 at 5:15 pm | permalink |
This explains a lot about why I've never fit in with my generation, and why I hate the term "Gen Y" – like we couldn't come up with anything more creative than whatever follows after X?
Posted by Jani on July 16, 2011 at 3:58 pm | permalink |
This is the generation that grew up pleasing authority figures. I'm a Boomer and I grew up, not trusting authority figures, so I became one.
Posted by Eva on July 17, 2011 at 12:27 am | permalink |
Excellent. I won't send it to my friends because of the stuff about sex but it's excellent.
Posted by Alan on July 17, 2011 at 5:36 am | permalink |
"Gen Y wants to look like a winner more than they want to be a winner."
actually, i think eloping and having the fabulous wedding with no guests is a total winner.
but this seems closest related to the phenomenon of 20-somethings spending enormous amounts of time on their tumblrs and pinterests collecting images of hot women/men, gorgeous dream homes, beautiful gardens, designer clothing and accessories, adorable children, incredible travel locations, and on and on and on, while evidently doing little or nothing to actually GET any of these things. they seem to think they will somehow magically end up with all of them. maybe there's a big quarter-life/midlife crisis pending when they figure out santa doesn't put a beach house, a model, and a soapstone sink in your stocking.
Posted by Lori on July 17, 2011 at 8:07 am | permalink |
Just because we use technology in ways that have never been done before doesn't mean it's all that novel – or nearly as disgusting as you seem to think. When I was a kid I cut out pictures I loved from magazines. Today I might save a picture of a dress I'll never be able to afford – but it's inspired me to learn to sew. I love pictures of beautiful gardens – so this year I planted my first herb garden (which is thriving and I'm thrilled). I fully enjoy Pinterest without expecting Santa, Mommy, Daddy, or Jesus to put anything in my stocking. Inspiration doesn't mean impotence.
Posted by Amy on July 17, 2011 at 11:03 am | permalink |
i commend you for actually planting a garden and learning to sew — and i'm not anti-inspiration — but there is a tipping point where inspiration is no longer a path toward doing and becomes a replacement for doing. too much input leads to too little output. there are a whole lot of people out there (not you, obviously) who are spending a ton of time appreciating what others have achieved when they could be using that time to achieve something of their own. just sayin'.
Posted by Lori on July 17, 2011 at 4:40 pm | permalink |
"They were in soccer leagues where everyone gets a trophy."
Ah, yes. The most overused assertion directed at Gen Y since bloggers began writing about Gen Y. I remember receiving those soccer trophies for that brief period between ages 5-9 and thinking how annoying it was that the adults had watered down the merits of a trophy. The fallacies lingering behind this generic presumption are endless.
1. Handing trophies out to everyone was something that mostly occurred in soccer, the sport Americans love the least, and know the least about. Other youth sports generally were more merit-based.
2. Competitive youth sports, during the childhood of Generation Y, exploded into a massive business that's partially predicated upon merit and the parents' political clout. The goal, of course, is the college scholarship. In fact, soccer, with the demand of foreign coaches and travel expenses, became a rich kid sport in America during the late 90's through early aughts. And it remains that way to this day. Every competitive youth sport in America, aside from some exceptions in basketball and football, requires large investments from parents in order for their child to have the necessary exposure and training so that they can be noticed by college coaches.
Penelope,
I find it highly dubious for anyone to claim an expertise on millions of people, but if you must, please let go of the "trophy" stereotype because it is not only cliche, but a lazy assumption.
Posted by Sundar on July 17, 2011 at 1:02 pm | permalink |
The whole discipline of history is a single person writing authoritatively about millions of people. We could not have analysis about the Crusades, World War II or any other time in history without being able to generalize about generations.
People who think we cannot talk in terms of history are people who are unable to learn from history.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on July 17, 2011 at 4:36 pm | permalink |
Yeah, except you and everyone else is dead wrong about this one. I fit the basic definition of a Gen Y-er but didn't grow up in the West or with anything like the lifestyle described, so none of this applies to me. I'm not personally insulted. But I'm confused.
Do people actually think Generation Y goes around clutching their dime-a-dozen trophies to their chest? Plenty of my current friends grew up getting them and let me tell you, no one gave a crap about the everybody-gets-one trophies. Kids nowadays still getting them don't care either.
Kids can spot bullshit faster than anyone. Not one person I know felt proud of those things and readily tossed a big ol' pile of them into the trash upon leaving to college.
Frankly, it says more about the generation giving out medals for mediocrity than it does about the kids receiving them.
What's more, your "points" only really apply to people who grew up as spoiled little rich & (likely) white kids like you. So maybe that is why you usually heap praises on "my" generation, because you identify with them- or at least, those that are upper middle class +.
Plenty of Generation Y kids have a helluva lot more in common with the Boomers because of their socioeconomic status. If your blog contained any kind of real analysis that went deeper than vague generalizations, I'd actually be interested in learning something here about those kind of connections.
As it is, I usually come here to kill a few minutes when I'm between tasks, because you're usually a train wreck. And you are a very clever & engaging writer. It's a great combination. You've half convinced me that *I* have Asperger's.
Posted by Valerie on July 18, 2011 at 3:43 pm | permalink |
Don't forget hockey. Youth hockey leagues (at least in Canada) give trophies to participants. What a waste!
Posted by Jim C. on July 17, 2011 at 9:41 pm | permalink |
I think the whole trophy analysis thing is overdone. They don't mean anything. Some people are bothered by that, but the trophy you get for soccer, tee ball, etc. remains one of the few "free" things about the sports. We think of the trophies as more a reminder of an activity that hopefully the kids will want to participate again in next year and some tangible evidence of participation than any merit recognition. It is actually a big deal if the kids can manage to show up for most of the games and practices. I have a bag full of trophies (I was a tee ball coach this spring) for kids who didn't show up at the last game or league picnic.
Posted by Dave on July 18, 2011 at 9:12 am | permalink |
The generation Y you write about are the suck at life spineless ass licking hipsters you order around your office. Fuck you for judging us off of the most outlying worthless examples of my generation. My ship is tight and my business even tighter. I make my own desicions. I hope you enjoy being lame at life and surrounding yourself with people even lamer than you.
Posted by Maniak Mike on July 17, 2011 at 9:04 pm | permalink |
Penelope I fell in love with your pro-gen y posts, now you've flipped and shown your true colors…
I love it. I am a child of 1984 and it is all true, I can't make decisions and I am so embarrassed by it, plus I can see that I defer to my parents, and I hate it (I moved out at the age of 27 when I bought my first home).
However I am pleased to report that I am learning not to. I think you will be surprised in the next 5 years as we are forced to grow up. I hope we do you proud and don't 'resist conflict'.
I am going to go listen to the Beatles to channel some of my fathers' revolutionary principles and thank my Gen X boss for giving me the ability to not feel guilty for having to leave the office for a doctor's appointment.
Posted by Amy Gibson on July 17, 2011 at 9:11 pm | permalink |
"So one way to keep everyone happy is with blow jobs. It's the ultimate expression of Gen Y practicality masquerading as revolution."
Your's is one point of view out of many. Whose is right? I dont know.
Posted by Skweekah on July 17, 2011 at 9:31 pm | permalink |
In my experience with Y and Z, which extends to living with them – by god was that hard – I'd have to say it is gen Z that I see as the monsters in the living room. Gen Y still seemed fairly socially casual, able to hear other people speak, capable of taking turns in conversation, and though they often had some gadget hanging out of their ears or in the pocket or whatever, it sorted blended in with them like a handbag or something. But some of the gen Z kids were horrific. How to describe? The first thing that springs to mind is Nasty. Nasty, nasty verbal savagery, used to intimidate the people around them into what I don't know, handing them a royal sceptre? A near constant stream of thinly disguised, indirect verbal insults aimed at anyone within three feet who they….what? Needed attention from? I don't know, but these young adults are graceless and aggressive. I have also noticed that they like to invade other people's space. I have on several occasions had gaggles of them stand either immediately in front of me at a bookstore or something, while I'm looking at a shelf of books…what is the point? Is it boundary pushing? What boundary is that exactly? You actually want my personal space? You want this 20 centimetre bodily radius, of a stranger? Odd. They grew up on vampire telly, you have to wonder how these things impact….I think they're going to be a very strange little bunch of critters. Hopefully their blood warms up before they gain any real power. God knows what they'll do to old people then. Grind us up for space dust.
There's too much blowing sunshine up young people's derriers these days. They're entering adulthood with messianic self-perceptions.
Posted by Karen on July 18, 2011 at 6:20 am | permalink |
I think I might have been referring to the tail-end of gen Y actually…17-22 year olds? Whatever the hell they are, awful.
Posted by Karen on July 18, 2011 at 6:43 am | permalink |
This is the most realistic thing I've seen you write about Gen Y. Of course, as a fellow GenXer, I relate to much of your reactions, especially re entrepreneurship and revolutionary behavior. I still think it is very hard to paint a broad brush over the whole generation, but this really fits what I see with young people "starting up" companies like specialty food trucks and pan asian cuisine restaurants…and I am thinking–just wait till the real work starts. Just wait until you have kids and a family. I'm not cynical, but I think there is a lot of adaption coming and it will be interesting to see if it is different for GenY vs GenX…for example, as we became parents we got less "revolutionary" about work and started getting "radical" about parenting.
I also wonder how they will raise their kids. It is bizarre to me, to have my kids asking for so much help already. When I was a kid, you figured it out out on your own. That was the point of education: to set up obstacles you have to figure out how to overcome. It would have been nice if my parents had signed me up for a few more things, but I do not feel neglected and I think many of my peers are way overboard in how they feel it is their job as parents to constantly entertain their kids and line up a series of enrichment activities…GenY is largely a product of such an upbringing and I wonder if the pendulum will swing back or continue along this route.
Posted by Dave on July 18, 2011 at 7:38 am | permalink |
Yes, people from the same generation display similar characteristics, but what I find really interesting is the way in which people of a certain generation view themselves and those of other generations.
Myself (Gen Y) and my father (Gen X) constantly get in heated debates over the pros & cons of each generation. We both have valid, accurate, and intelligent assertions but they are such completely opposite views…..
On another note my last office was a split between Gen Y and Baby Boomers and the Boomers seemed so very unproductive, had zero creativity and wanted team work ALL the time…. I wonder if this was just my view, but it is definetely anchored in reality…
Posted by Yet Another Melissa on July 18, 2011 at 10:43 am | permalink |
You're just complaining about our generation without offering any ideas or suggestions on how we can improve (and no, "stop misunderstanding entrepreneurship" doesn't count). We're in this together, sister. Quit whining and make something happen.
Posted by Greg Fitz on July 18, 2011 at 11:20 am | permalink |
So tell us more about how this flows out of bickering with Melissa? That sounds like a story.
Posted by MJ on July 18, 2011 at 2:39 pm | permalink |
Great post – reminds me of the great car commerical I just saw on tv – like watching this post in 30 seconds. Noticed it since I'm a GenXer and just bought a Venza haha. My bad if I'm not supposed to link to ads but it's worth seeing on youtube…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUGmcb3mhLM
Posted by KB on July 18, 2011 at 3:34 pm | permalink |
I agree about gay marriage — the state bans on it are in response to the rise of Gen Y, and in a decade or so most bans will be history.
So what about abortion? If my generation has a characteristic opinion on it, we don't seem to talk about it much.
Posted by Esther on July 18, 2011 at 8:32 pm | permalink |
I agree and yet I don't (as most Gen-Yer's who have replied to this post).
I do agree that every one of these traits exist in high frequency in our generation. Of course, taking something like this people need to understand that you're not saying that EVERY person from generation Y has EVERY one of these traits, but it is enough to generalize.
Where I scratch my head a bit (not so much as disagree, because you didn't come out and say it) is that some of the traits you mention – most specifically bullet #2 – certainly can't be linked to Gen-Y alone. In daily life I interact with people from all generations – while at work, on the streets and public transit of Chicago, and in my hobbies. I see attitudes like this come from all walks of life. It's not just the upper-middle class 20-somethings who think they're hot shit because they have 1,000+ Twitter followers. No matter where you look, people of all ages are out there talking themselves up, becoming part of a group in hopes of setting a world record (my hand is raised here) or posting pictures of themselves doing something cool on Facebook. If you look the Facebook statistics these days, more Baby Boomers and Gen Xers are out there Lifebooking each and every day. So I'm not entirely sure it's fair to stereotype Gen Y with having an ego complex, when it's quite clear that this spans a number of generations.
That said, I'm all about self-awareness, and I love to read pieces like this that make me sit back and go, "ha, I'm TOTALLY like that!" After all, if you can't acknowledge your flaws, how are you ever supposed to improve? You've got a new follower, Penelope. Keep it up, loving your writing
Posted by Ashley on July 19, 2011 at 10:48 am | permalink |
Sick of the "failure to launch" Gen Y narrative, we created a project called Fortnight. Fortnight Journal documents the potential of the millennial generation. Importantly, we connect its emerging leaders to history.
Patti Smith gave us a lot of advice when we built this project.Like us, she experienced some bad foreign policy and a brutal recession.
My generation is NOT just sitting around trying to engineer our social network avatars. How come I have been able to easily find 20-30 year old female Olympic boxers, war crimes lawyers, video artists… all of whom riff on ancient Greek thinkers? That is behavior neither meek, nor iconoclastic.
We are drawn to classical vocations, crave mentorship, and deeply seek work that will will merit regard in the longer march of history.
Posted by Samantha Hinds on July 19, 2011 at 11:33 am | permalink |
Thank you for posting this. As a "Millennial" I, too, am very tired of hearing the "failure to launch" narrative…kudos to y'all for sharing these stories.
Posted by Millennials are people too on September 8, 2011 at 4:00 am | permalink |
Thank you for posting this. As a "Millennial" I, too, am very tired of hearing the "failure to launch" narrative…kudos to y'all for sharing these stories.
Posted by Millennials are people too on September 8, 2011 at 4:00 am | permalink |
4 out of the 5 of the reason you hate Gen Y involve parents. I am assuming you are a Gen X (and that may just be my Gen Y personality), so I will just go ahead and say that the reason you hate the Millennials are do to the upbringing from our Gen X parents.
Well, this is why we hate Gen X too.
Posted by Sarah on July 19, 2011 at 2:45 pm | permalink |
Well, I'm an old Gen Yer and I manage a department of 50~ younger Yners.
What you said about being non competitive is sadly true.
I'm a very competitive person but the younger Yers that I manage cannot be triggered by competition even friendly ones. It's very frustrating for me because as a Manager I have to adapt and find a way to trigger the motivation in these Yers and these way aren't natural to me.
I'm doing evaluation every quarters. I'm doing follow up, carreer advices, level up plan and such for them. I did their work before. Not so long ago I was one of them. At an entry level job. So I'm supposed to rely easily on their experience but I cannot. I used to hold the Productivity Champion's Title for 6 months before one of my guys beat me. On 50 employee, he-was-the-only-one-to-care-about-beating-my-productivity-record ! The competitive employees ratio is 1/50 Yers. I'm really shocked by that.
The motivation can be trigger by sparkling their interest regarding the task that I give them and by the quality of their work, regardless the productivity.
Eric
Posted by Eric on July 19, 2011 at 6:52 pm | permalink |
you have a great blog but I have to completely disagree with this article. You are stereotyping a group of people that should not be stereo typed for they are not all the same. I know a lot of different generations and based on your specifications aparently a lot of baby boomers I know could also be generation Y, hell even I could be a generation Y (even though I am not)
You are a great writer I just disagree with your points
Posted by Spatch on July 20, 2011 at 1:18 am | permalink |
Don't know what god has to do with generations. There is either evidence for something or not. I am generation X and don't believe in god. I meet all different age ranges, from teenagers to people in their 80s at atheist/skpetic get togethers. This one point made me questions every other point as suspect…
Posted by Rob on July 20, 2011 at 11:45 am | permalink |
"We can call that God. Gen Y doesn't argue with that."
I have a hard time imagining the atheist of any generation that wouldn't argue with that. Why call it God (capitalized, no less)? Why not call it mashed potatoes? Not to turn this into a theistic argument, but #4 said volumes more about your theological beliefs than Gen Y's.
(I'm on the edge of Gen X and Y myself, so I'm either completely qualified or completely unqualified to opine, take your pick.)
Posted by Val on July 20, 2011 at 1:57 pm | permalink |
I'm realizing this more and more myself.
http://therawness.com/the-laws-of-ego-driven-superiority/
Posted by T. AKA Ricky Raw on July 20, 2011 at 2:59 pm | permalink |
As a Gen Yer, I spent 7 years in corporate America, doing all the hard work for Gen Xers that simply wanted to have BIG ideas (with no execution) and babysitting younger millennials, most of whom had trouble answering the phone without detailed instruction. Maybe we are team-oriented and practical because SOMEBODY has to be, or nothing would get done.
PS – I jumped ship a year ago after buying my own business and have loved every minute of it. I do miss after-work happy hours, though.
Posted by kaysta on July 21, 2011 at 2:34 pm | permalink |
This is very interesting. I think all of these generation types are cyclical and sooner or later we'll get back to being Baby Boomers, aka BB(2). No generation is better than the next and the next is not better than the prior. We all learn from our parents, good and bad. Maybe the key is to digest the life education, adapt it as we see fit, pass on what we think is worthy to our children, and keep on trucking. But mostly, respect each other for our efforts and ideas. It's all good.
Posted by Jill on July 21, 2011 at 4:14 pm | permalink |
The cinema of the United States, also known as Hollywood, has had a profound effect on cinema across the world since the early 20th century. Its history is sometimes separated into four main periods: the silent film era, classical Hollywood cinema, New Hollywood, and the contemporary period. Since the 1920s, the American film industry has grossed more money every year than that of any other country.
Posted by hollywood on July 21, 2011 at 6:45 pm | permalink |
So, I just started reading your blog a few weeks ago. I started back when the posts about The Farmer began so I could catch myself up (although I read a good few previous posts as well). This is absolutely my favorite post so far. As a Gen Y-er, it's kind of fascinating to read your posts about Gen Y-ers and think about how much the information is relevant to my life. Also, it makes me feel better to know that not knowing what I want to do now that I've got a college degree (and a large amount of debt) does not make me an epic failure at life.
Posted by Kait on July 22, 2011 at 3:19 pm | permalink |
Awesome. Every word is correct. Never commented before but had to now! Brava penelope!
Posted by a gen yer on July 23, 2011 at 8:01 am | permalink |
I love this post and always enjoy reading your blog!! A slightly unrelated question though based on the great picture of you relaxing and reading outdoors: Where do you and Melissa get those fabulous sun hats?!
Posted by Kirsten on July 24, 2011 at 4:01 pm | permalink |
I found this article and began reading, thinking–this is going to be a great article to share with peers/collegues. Unfortunately, I got to the last paragrash and your lack of professionalism lost me…for good.
Posted by Miss HR on July 26, 2011 at 11:24 am | permalink |
Sensational and unsubstantiated blog post written exclusively to increase blog traffic.
I'm almost positive the author is an intelligent person which would means she understands the ignorance in stereotypes and sweeping generalizations. This can only mean that she wrote this exclusively to increase blog traffic, or maybe is a passive aggressive attack on a "gen y-er" who did her wrong.
either way, this completely misses the mark. young people are energetic and precocious. they have the internet to indulge all of their interests, but since the internet is just now maturing, it's hard to see where it can take them. but they have the drive and motivation to figure it out and try new things and not take no for answer….just like every other american generation before them.
Posted by Lumutz on July 26, 2011 at 10:38 pm | permalink |
You may no longer be the CEO of Brazen Careerist, but you still claim to be the "Chief Evangelist" so you can continue to blog, speak to the media and attend SXSW. (http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/09/23/how-to-find-the-right-job-for-you/)
As a result, you may have wanted to put more thought into how you articulated your comments about the Generation that has allowed you to feed your family and become successful by subscribing to your site.
Posted by Amanda on July 27, 2011 at 1:31 pm | permalink |
Wonderful post and insight. I felt resistance growing in me the whole time I read it. After closing it, I realized you taught me something today. It's nice to see something so on the mark that anytime I argue with it, I learn something about myself. Thank you
Posted by Austin on July 27, 2011 at 11:12 pm | permalink |
So funny story, I was reading this blog about a Gen X lady's life, the minutia of her daily routine and her kid's pig, and there was a hilarious satirical post about those self-absorbed, narcissistic Gen Yers. It was classic, truly biting satire, appearing as it did on her self-absorbed, narcissistic blog.
To begin with, she pointedly didn't mention the tiresome futility of speaking about generations as a whole, and took the same kinds of broad unsubstantiated potshots that pissed her "generation" off back when baby boomers were doing it twenty years ago. Very clever.
Then she hit all the salient points: how Gen Y is completely non-competitive, which is obviated by the fact they're unable to get a job in the worst economy in a generation. And she pointed out how they totally misunderstand entrepreneurship, suggesting (hilariously) that it's really about doing something innovative – like 19th-century-style small scale farming – not inventing entirely new paradigms like Facebook. And one of my favorite parts was where she said that Gen Y is too soft, having been pampered their whole lives, which is totally what my grandfather said about my parents, and my parents said about my Gen X brothers and sisters!
One of the funniest parts was when she said Gen X was the revolutionary generation, pointing out how they've torn down bourgeois convention by growing s–t organically and parenting.
It's easy to miss the joke when she points out how independent Gen Xers are, because only a careful reading would reveal the author's reliance on an "assistant/nanny" to manage her own independent rural life, discussed in a previous post. What deft satire! Get this lady a desk at The Onion, post-haste!
The research and linking involved in the piece was all part of the joke too, with its links to a completely irrelevant Wikipedia article about latchkey kids to prove Gen X independence, and other links to the blogger's own half formed opinions. Talk about Meta! Substantiating your own opinions WITH your own opinions, as a tongue in cheek way to expose the vacuousness of your own opinions and the exercise itself! The spirit of Jonathan Swift is truly alive!
Another great part is when she suggests Gen Y thinks blowjobs are revolutionary, a classic red herring argument that no one – seriously, no one – has ever tried to make. Ever. Brilliant! But maybe the best part is when, as if to suggest how inherently flawed "Generation Rants" are, she links to an article from 2004 about 15-year-olds and their fellatio habits, when everybody knows Gen Yers were graduating college that year! Or maybe not! Because no one really knows what Gen Y means! Or Gen X! Or Gen Y2K! Because it's all bulls–t! Boy, she's really got it!
Anyway, ya'll should read the piece. I'll post a link as soon as I'm finished praising myself and crowdsourcing my decision on whether or not to send her a congratulatory email, which she wouldn't have any use for anyway.
Posted by Jon on August 2, 2011 at 2:52 pm | permalink |
This is easily the best post ever. And I'm a gen Y. So yeah, almost all of what you're saying is true.
Posted by Win on August 3, 2011 at 9:38 pm | permalink |
The whole Gen X and Y thing is based on a flawed premise. Coupland's book "Generation X" was about his generation that graduated college in the 1980s. The media latched onto those ideals without bothering to actually read the book and as a result they applied them to the wrong group of people. My generation got branded with an X, but then stunned the world by not responding the way we were supposed to. This was, of course, because it was the previous generation of youths who lived by Coupland's unofficial rulebook, only nobody knew it. Then along came Generation Y, and now we are two generations confused, with no clear line of interests or common traits/behaviors to identify anyone. This leads many to make the wrong assumptions, draw the wrong conclusions, and just generally misunderstand each other. All because most people never bothered to read the book that spawned it all. I'm guessing Ms. Trunk hasn't read the book, either.
I read it. Good book. Doesn't really apply to me though.
Posted by Kevin M on August 13, 2011 at 8:39 pm | permalink |
Is there nothing that Generation X does not hate? You hate Boomers, you hate Generation Y.
You hate everything except your selfish, narcissistic selves. Almost as ridiculous as your one Veterans Day posting where you practically called ALL troops and veterans war criminals. Yes, Penelope, you are truly the poster 'yotch for Generation X! What a wonderful portent for our future.
Posted by Sprelghman Tribbs on August 31, 2011 at 6:54 am | permalink |
This is an interesting article. I am part of Gen Y. I constantly hear people referring to us as generation who wants everything right away. We want we want meaningful jobs, we want career growth, we want a work/life balance, and we and we want it all fast. We don't want to slave for 15 years at a meaningless jobs with insane hours for a same, stable salary.
And its all true. We don't. And we get judged for this. Our parents worked really hard. I know mine did and still do. I have immense respect for my parents and the sacrifices they have made.
However, just because we want something different doesn't mean that's wrong. Just because we expect meaningful careers, great mentors, and great work/ life balance doesn't mean that we are wrong to do so. You'll never get something if you don't ask for it. We're asking for it and we are making it happen.
I think so many Boomers and GenXers are upset is because they HAVE slaved for decades at same careers. They're work DID at times had to take priority over their quality of life. These aspects constituted their reality. And they are passionate about it b/c you have to be passionate or at least at peace with the way you have lived your whole entire life. Otherwise you'd be miserable.
I don't judge them for their way of life, I just think it's different. Just like no one should judge us. What we expect is not good or bad, it's just different.
I often have these discussions with my mom and its always interesting to hear her input. You know when you have a conversation with someone and you can tell the way they perceive the issue is so fundamentally different then from how you view it? Well thats how these conversations are.
I told her I want to move back up north in couple of years. I told her I've been really thinking about what my next career moves should be as well. My approach to life is holistic. I want to live where I see fit, and I want a great job there as well. She sees this totally different. She says you follow a great job,and sometimes you have to make sacrifices, meaning you might not get to live where you want. I don't see why I can't have both
Posted by Anastasia K on October 7, 2011 at 10:03 pm | permalink |
Sorry for couple of the grammatical mistakes above, should have proofread in hindsight.
Posted by Anastasia K on October 7, 2011 at 10:25 pm | permalink |
Great articulation of Gen Y's response to the external forces they are facing. I have noticed a lot of the same things but didn't have my thoughts and words as well as organized as you do.
Posted by Deadhedge on October 20, 2011 at 7:41 am | permalink |
Brilliant article, depressing reality we face now with a generation unwilling to buck the trend of corporate conform… shooting themselves in the foot as they realise too late that the chasm between the haves and have nots is insurmountable. We're screwed
Posted by Just Jet on November 17, 2011 at 9:48 am | permalink |
Generation Blow Job! When Pepsi finds a way to work that into an ad campaign, I can die happy.
Posted by Andy on November 22, 2011 at 11:58 pm | permalink |
Any good comments about Gen Y? Frankly, I feel more like we're the forgotten generation, the generation between the apparently incredibly put-upon Generation X and the apparently incredibly pitiable Millenials. No one gives a shit about us, and this article just reinforces that. We're all entitled and lazy, right? We got screwed over by our parents AND by Gen X, we're being left the world to fix, and we're frankly the only generation equipped with the practical skills to fix it. How about some credit?
Posted by Rebecca on December 21, 2011 at 1:48 pm | permalink |
I agree with most of the points in this article but I do want to say that there is a big difference between the older Gen Yers and the younger ones and unfortunately we all get lumped into the same bin. Gen Y represents the group from 1980 to 2000. Being born in the early part of the 80s I don't particularly identify myself with the kid who was born in 1990 who has spent their entire life in the internet age. I feel like many of us straddle the line between Gen X and Gen Y but don't particularly identify with either. Just keep that in mind when you are dealing with a 30 year old at work opposed to a 25 year old. In my experience there is a big difference between the two of us.
Posted by JOB on December 27, 2011 at 12:55 pm | permalink |
couldn't be more right!
Posted by raymes on December 31, 2011 at 4:42 pm | permalink |
Incredibly astute blog, y gen are a bit cute in a way… but this x gen was really hoping for a shake up of the baby boomers, we've been working on it for a while but the y gen crew seem to be happy enough with the way things are.
Posted by Den on January 7, 2012 at 6:04 am | permalink |
HI, I came across your blog just randomly, and I must say I loved this post! While I might not agree with some things, overall it is very interesting to go through, written in a funny and catchy way, and I must say, it's full of interesting observations!
Posted by ZN on January 12, 2012 at 2:53 am | permalink |
I've hated most of my generation since I was a small child and I fail to understand how anyone could have ever liked the nasty shits I went to school with (even as children.) I've never felt more alienated in my entire life than I have with Generation Y.
They are truly awful people who don't realize just how awful they are. Someone should point it out more. They're cattiness and exclusive attitudes are their worst quality. The "entitlement" is the least offensive thing about them, I don't know why Xers feel so compelled to point that out as if it was their worst quality…
They're also the most boring and bland people on earth, another thing they don't realize.
Posted by Shell on January 16, 2012 at 7:37 pm | permalink |
Gen Y, the spoiled selfish little bastards who took the Baby Boomers' fawning overindulgent treatment that overcompensated for neglecting us Gen X folk (if they managed to begat any of us at all) in favor of drug and/or swinging parties for granted. F-'em, they need to grow the heck up… all of 'em.
Posted by Anonymous on February 1, 2012 at 7:47 pm | permalink |
It sounds like certain Gen X-ers may have some resentment for Baby Boomers. Why direct it at Gen Y-ers, though? Is it their fault that Gen X-ers were neglected by their parents? It looks like it's not Gen Y-ers who need to "grow up."
Posted by fsfsfsfsfa on February 5, 2012 at 5:51 am | permalink |
GREAT ARTICLE. YEAH, IT's hard to trust a generation who totally trust their MEgen parents
Posted by tony on February 17, 2012 at 8:52 pm | permalink |