I was talking with Leo Babauta a few weeks ago. The topic of the conversation was his new book, focus. But of course I am not good at focus. So here is a picture of a book I just bought that is not Leo's book, but I really like it: The Selby is in Your Place. It's full of photos of people who turned their apartments into art. Totally eccentric, often over-furnished, but always totally interesting.

I would not have bought the book if it didn't match my house so well. More on that later.
I told Leo I thought it was BS that he is Mr. Minimalism and he moved to San Francisco. I told him that the biggest cultural shift for me from New York City to the farm is the surprise shift to extreme minimalism. So I am sure that his move to San Francisco means he is tossing in the minimalism towel.
Leo has great resources on his blog about leading a minimalist lifestyle. But I think minimalism is lifestyle porn. It's something that people think would be nice to dream about for their lives, but in fact, there is the dirty flip side to minimalism: It's scary boring, which, I think, is why Leo moved his family to San Francisco—to expand what's available to his kids.
I have thought often about the slippery slope from minimalism to boring even though I don't write about my own minimalism issues that much. First of all, my own minimalism is totally accidental, so I didn't even know I was a minimalist until recently. Second, I think a minimalist life is a product of many small decisions rather than a single big one. (For example, losing all my possessions to bed bugs.)
Plus, I discredit all straight men who do not have a wife or kids and claim to be minimalists. They are not minimalists, they are just bachelors, programmed over thousands of years to use sex to accumulate possessions rather than shopping.
And anyone who is doing minimalist experiments—like not buying anything for a year, stuff like that—isn't really a minimalist. It's like doing a dog trick. People clap, and then you go back to stealing from plates on the dinner table.
Sustainable minimalism requires a few things:
1. A job that does not require a lot of face-to-face contact. (For face-to-face contact you need transportation, clothes, and stuff that makes you fit easily in the flow of a business work day.)
2. Kids who are not exposed to a lot of advertising. My kids almost never ask to buy anything because they never see anything to buy. These same kids, living in NYC, asked for something in every window we walked by.
3. A social circle of people who are minimalists. There is no point in getting rid of everything if you must also get rid of your friends. So if not having stuff interferes with relationships, I don't see the point.
Finally, before I tell you about my own minimalism, let me say that it's not that fun to talk about because people get defensive. Like, if I tell people I have never had a TV, they need to tell me about their own TV habits or lack thereof. But I don't care. I don't have a TV because I never had one as a kid. I just don't understand the TV thing. It's not a high-and-mighty cultural decision.
You have never met a minimalist like the farmer, before he met me. He didn't have a phone, or Internet, or a car. He seldom left the farm, and he hadn't bought clothes for himself in maybe a decade. The result was extreme loneliness, and over-dependence on his parents, which were the only people who could make their way into such a closed-off life.
A lot of what we buy is stuff to facilitate connections. Like gifts, wine glasses, replacing a doorbell.
So, here's what I do not have:
Anything that is not functional—no tsotchkes in the house, besides books.
Loose toys. Any toy on the floor I throw out. The kids are constantly asking me if I threw out something they are looking for. This will scar them for life.
I sometimes even throw out their books. Or mine, if they are a too ugly. I am starting to think of books as objects to look at.
I mean, I've already read them, and it's easy to read them on a Kindle or, if you want to hold them, use the library. So the books have to be nice to look at in my house. I think we can no longer say books are functional, so I want them to be beautiful or fun and now I see them as an extravagance. But it's not coincidence that the extravagance I allow myself is connected with exposure to new ideas.

On the farm it's easy to own very little. I don't miss it because we are on our own—no keeping up with the Jones. We have no blender, no microwave, no toaster oven. Our fridge is very small, and we have no kitchen cabinets because I didn't want to fill them.
We each wear the same four or five outfits over and over again. If we haven't worn something in a year, I throw it out.
If we bring something besides food into the house, we have to throw something out.
You'd be surprised how little you miss.
When I lived in NYC I felt a constant pressure to buy stuff. Keeping kids clothed like other kids, having birthday parties like other kids (great birthday party link here 'thanks, Natt), having adult clothing like other adults. The reason you can spot a tourist in ten seconds in NYC is because people who don't live in NYC don't spend nearly the time and money that New Yorkers do on their appearance.
Life on the farm is slow. Very slow. No one here has an iPad. People don't know who Jon Stewart is, they don't know the difference between The New Yorker and New York magazine. The opportunities are very limited. I have to be very careful to make sure my kids understand the world beyond the farm.
So I'm not saying Leo's move from Guam to San Francisco is bad. I get the reasoning. I just think it's the antithesis of minimalism. I think that Leo's latest book, in the wake of his move to San Francisco, is sort of an ode to what one gives up when one seeks out diversity, interestingness, and intellectual stimulation.
And I wonder, do we need a guide to minimalism, or do we need a guide to understanding where our own sweet spot is on the continuum between minimalism and interestingness?
Photos by Melissa Sconyers




You can't have it both ways, Penelope. Either minimalism is a farce or you hold onto your books. If you're removing books from your shelf because your eyes think they are ugly to see, you are embracing minimalism. (And, on that note, you may enjoy reading Joshua Becker's perspective on http://www.becomingminimalist.com/2010/08/09/breaking-the-sentimental-attachment-to-books/ which you admit to embracing.
Posted by Ari Herzog on March 7, 2011 at 11:47 am | permalink |
I don't necessarily agree with Ari…Throwing out ugly books is embracing aestheticism, not minimalism. I think we can turn anything into a dogma or a "lifestyle", but realistically, a concept as broad as minimalism, means different things to each one of us, and at the end of the day, it better be serving us, rather than simply serving our ego as some kind of "I'm special because I'm doing this." I sold my car 3 months ago and now am enjoying the freedom and simplicity of traveling primarily by bicycle – but I have 5 bicycles, and I love them. I don't watch TV, and buy so little that we put the trash can out about once per month, composting most everything else. And yet, I like my dwelling to look nice, and I like to look good when I leave the house. Life is not so black and white as some might suggest.
Posted by Michael Feliciano on March 7, 2011 at 2:00 pm | permalink |
I agree with Michael, a minimalist would only keep the book(s) that she/he is reading, following the rule of throwing (I personally prefer donating) something out when bringing something into the house.
Posted by K on March 8, 2011 at 5:46 am | permalink |
Thanks for writing this.
Leo's writing has been rubbing me the wrong way for a while. You may have put your finger on it.
The "Zen Habits Top 10 Ways to _______"
1. Breathe.
Sorry, low blow. Yeah, I used to read Zen Habits a lot but somewhere along the line the advice started to repeat itself and become unrealistic.
Posted by Will on March 7, 2011 at 11:49 am | permalink |
So there's only one way to be minimalist, now? Sorry–I don't buy it.
Posted by KateNonymous on March 7, 2011 at 12:04 pm | permalink |
Hmmmm. I've read a little of this guy. He's trying to make a living off the Internet telling other people how to make a living off the Internet. It reminds me of the people who (used to) make a living telling other people how to make a killing in real estate. He's cynical enough about his enterprise that I'd be inclined to suspect he planted the above anonymous post. $25 a month to subscribe to the opinions of one person online? No bleepin' way.
Posted by Littleengine on March 8, 2011 at 3:45 pm | permalink |
Oops. Sorry. Posted under wrong comment.
Posted by Littleengine on March 8, 2011 at 3:48 pm | permalink |
You may be interested in reading Ev Bogue's stuff. I think he's going to delete his blog soon, but google "Far Beyond the Stars". He started out in the minimalist movement, then insulted/alienated half his readers, went off the deep end, and now he's so damn interesting (he talks about augmented humanity. 'nuff said) that I'm considering subscribing to his $25/month letter.ly
Posted by Avat.R Koo on March 7, 2011 at 12:19 pm | permalink |
@ Avat.R Koo – thanks for the recommendation! Fun stuff in that Ev Bogue's blog.
Posted by z on March 7, 2011 at 1:47 pm | permalink |
I hope you're a Twitter user, because Everett Bogue looks down on anyone reading his blog who's not, per http://ariherzog.com/blogger-insists-on-twitter-users/
Posted by Ari Herzog on March 7, 2011 at 2:04 pm | permalink |
Ev Brogue is a total phony. In a recent photo, he was wearing no less than 4 shirts! Minimalist? No. He's an opportunist. That's why he's "moving on" and charging for it.
Posted by Brigitte on March 7, 2011 at 2:16 pm | permalink |
@ Ari – awesome! I love finding these nuggets online. Really, people are willing to shell US$30-US$50 for an e-book written by somebody who describes himself as a "cybernetic yogi" with a straight face? I mean, The Onion couldn't have written it better.
Posted by z on March 7, 2011 at 4:11 pm | permalink |
Oops. I replied to the wrong post. Here's the reply in the proper place.
Hmmmm. I've read a little of this guy. He's trying to make a living off the Internet telling other people how to make a living off the Internet. It reminds me of the people who (used to) make a living telling other people how to make a killing in real estate. He's cynical enough about his enterprise that I'd be inclined to suspect he planted the above post. $25 a month to subscribe to the opinions of one person online? No bleepin' way.
Posted by Littleengine on March 8, 2011 at 3:47 pm | permalink |
Little Engine – that's exactly my point. That guy sounds like a 21st century snake oil salesman. And apparently people fall for that kind of quackery. Incredibly amusing
Posted by Z on March 9, 2011 at 10:32 am | permalink |
Please don't get me started on Leo and Zen Habits. He doesn't buy anything; his family doesn't need anything but each other; his kids don't have anything; they don't watch anything; they don't use anything; they don't eat this; they don't eat that; they don't go here; they don't go there; they don't have paper; they don't have cords; he doesn't do email; he doesn't accept comments; he'll only accept one ad; he won't have any ads. Give me a break.
Posted by Angela on March 7, 2011 at 12:20 pm | permalink |
I like your posts on minimalism. I'm not a minimalist, but I'm not a hoarder either. And because I'm at the very beginning of adulthood, I have yet to acquire any large possessions, or even really a place to put them in. So I'm beginning to think, perhaps all I need in my life is a big room with a bed, a tv, a desk, a treadmill, a chair, a fridge and a microwave (and even those last two are a push, because I am certain I could survive on Luna bars alone), and another room for a gigantic closet. I will never stop buying shoes and clothes, I've decided, even though I always say I'm going to curb my online shopping addiction. Last, of course, is a bathroom.
My minimalism, I think, is the anti-McMansion aspirations of my mother, which never did complement my father's entrepreneurial career.
Posted by Harriet May on March 7, 2011 at 12:26 pm | permalink |
lol, sounds like my first appartment!
Posted by Sharon on March 9, 2011 at 5:19 pm | permalink |
Lol, who else organizes their books by color?
I like your analysis here. Isolation requires making your own interestingness. Being in a sea of interestingness outside our homes make minimalism more possible. I think we have difficulty making life interesting without things.
Posted by Sarah on March 7, 2011 at 12:51 pm | permalink |
@ Sarah – I've seen the trend of sorting books by color in many shelter magazines in the last 2 years. Mainly in british mags, though (like LivingEtc) so it's not definitely for minimalist but more for more-is more-people (my kind of people-I'm a proud 'Homo consumericus', with no discipline whatsoever to try minimalism.)
Posted by z on March 7, 2011 at 2:02 pm | permalink |
These people
do, Sarah.
Posted by Margaret Goerig on March 8, 2011 at 5:15 am | permalink |
"Lol, who else organizes their books by color?"
People who don't read.
Posted by Tzipporah on March 8, 2011 at 11:43 am | permalink |
I don't have bookshelves and can't afford them and don't know how to build them so I started "decorating" with my books two years ago. Got the idea from the Pottery Barn catalog. Pottery Barn's been decorating with books for quite some time now.
Posted by Jennifer on March 8, 2011 at 4:07 pm | permalink |
@ Tzipporah
Actually, I've seen some visual artists do organize their books by color. Check out this photo:
http://thelittlehouseinthecity.blogspot.com/2007_04_01_archive.html
Posted by Another Jennifer on March 9, 2011 at 10:28 am | permalink |
I have only one reaction to Leo's blog: It's boring. I guess one could also add repetitive, which is pretty much the same thing. Read one of his posts and you've read them all.
Posted by Jean Gogolin on March 7, 2011 at 12:58 pm | permalink |
What works for Leo "minimalistically" obviously doesn't work for you in the way your concept of the same won't work for everyone else. There is no one way, but thanks for sharing yours. Now if only we can work on simplifying scattered minds…
Posted by Rachel on March 7, 2011 at 1:16 pm | permalink |
Minimalism is some kind of continuum, isn't it? I have always thought this whole issue has two sides of a line: We cross it and leave minimalism when our possessions begin to own us, when we consider ourselves less when we don't have our full complement of 'stuff', whatever that full complement entails for each of us. There is some kind of workable medium for each of us. I have had nothing, and I have had entirely too much. Neither fit well or felt right. Somewhere in the middle works for me. The key, I believe, is the 'interestingness' of our lives, and whatever makes life interesting to us should be in our lives, whether it is shoes, TVs, internet, books, or lego toys.
Posted by Marti on March 7, 2011 at 1:41 pm | permalink |
I for one don't understand how you can embrace minimalism and interestingness at the same time? How are YOU obtaining your ideas of what to write? Where do you get your statistics? With whom do you interact to get your quotes? Obviously you're not as minimalist as you might think you are…..or at least your minimalism hasnt caught up to your lack of informational input from wherever that might be….unless of course you have a separate stash of tv's, ipads, books, stores etc that you aren't telling us about…..
Posted by .Bryan on March 7, 2011 at 1:46 pm | permalink |
On a personal level, I think Leo's a nice guy, I've chatted with him a few times.
I do still read his posts in my feed reader but there's really been nothing new there for well over a year. You have to admit, he's cleverly built this sort of "empire" and he has the market cornered on this stuff in many ways.
So as long as his readership continues to grow, there will always be more new people who haven't encountered his ideas to replace those who have grown tired of the repetition and moved on. Clever.
My thoughts? Minimalism is relative to me. I have four kids, two cars, a nice house, I live in a small town in Eastern Ontario, Canada, surrounded by forests and farms, I have easy access to organic food via a co-op, several normal grocery stores, reliable and clean water, electricity, etc.
It would be pretty hard for me to be a "minimalist" compared with some folks in the world and what they don't have.
Posted by Brett Legree on March 7, 2011 at 1:50 pm | permalink |
Oh. Just clarifying that I really like Leo too. That's why I was on the phone with him, after all.
So I guess this is a warning to all my friends: No one, not even the people I like, are safe from my complaining. But probably everyone already knew that
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on March 7, 2011 at 4:40 pm | permalink |
I've met a few high profile minimalists in person, Everett Brogue, Karol Gajda and others. At the last minimalist gathering I attended, I got in a rather heated argument with some minimalists about car ownership. My husband and I live in Chicago, and we share a car. My argument is that in the year and a half we didn't have a car, we spent too much of our time scheduling. When to get the groceries. When to catch the train to visit our families. And his family is just far enough into the country that the Metra doesn't go there. So we either borrowed a car, rented one or asked them to come in.
And that is exactly my problem with many so-called minimalists. They expect others to make up for their lack of resources. Maybe a minimalist doesn't own a lot of dishes, but the roommate does. Or they don't have a car, so they're always bumming rides.
Karol Gajda recently described his ideas about minimalism, reframing the lifestyle as optimalism. He described it this way: "Minimalism itself is not about the minimum number of things, but the optimum number of things necessary for my life. No more and no less than I need."
That's a philosophy I can get behind, and I think it allows for interestingness.
Posted by Brigitte on March 7, 2011 at 2:14 pm | permalink |
everyone in chicago seems to feel they need a car, and it helps make for a vicious circle of complaining that public transport there doesn't take people many of the places they'd like to go, yet finds many not patronizing the system so that it could be fiscally able to expand to meet needs. every four years or so, there's a study about how to make the MTA solvent, more interconnected with metra, but as long as car ownership reigns supreme, it's kind of a moot point. the result is often restrictive parking and unabated traffic.
chicago's also built like a suburb. many people can't walk to the corner to get milk or another staple in many neighborhoods, or pick things up on the way home via a train or bus; grocery stores can be big destinations…with big parking lots, and the suburban mindset of needing to do one big shop weekly. for all the boasting of being well-planned, quotidian function seems to be an afterthought. the one exception is what people have done in making cycling more possible and practical as a transportation option, as weather allows. this facilitates some of the practical getting around for some.
your criticism of "so-called minimalists" borders on politically conservative "bootstrap" criticism. sometimes people don't make a lot of money doing what they love (e.g., teachers, artisans of various sorts, librarians), and find themselves happy with a minimalist approach, as a result.
i share whatever i have with such friends, because it doesn't put me out to give them a ride, squeeze another in for a dinner i've made, or share my dishes–that defines community. not everyone needs to own one of their own everything. other people make it possible for most of us to make a living; that compels me to share what i have. the pendulum could always swing in the opposite direction for any of us.
Posted by thatgirl on March 7, 2011 at 4:33 pm | permalink |
thatgirl â your first two paragraphs seem to contradict each other. First, you take a swipe at those of us who have cars and then in the second, you make our case for us. My argument to the minimalists I met was that it can swing either way, depending on your personal situation. Having done both, sharing 1 car between 2 people works best for my husband and me.
In the year and a half when we didn't have a car, we were part of that cycling crowd, and you'd often see us out in snow or rain. Life doesn't stop for weather. Now that we have a car, I take the CTA to and from work every day, and he drives some days or takes public transit to work and runs home. My line (Blue) is subject to intense overcrowding, and it makes my commute miserable as I am literally pressed (full body) into my fellow commuters. I'm really confused by your comments that seem to indicate that most people don't take the CTA â that couldn't be more contrary to my experience.
My point is mainly this: if you start talking to minimalist bloggers, you see that many follow the movement with very little introspection. I've met more than one "minimalist" who owns more clothing than the average person. In the popular 100 (or 50) things challenge, you can count 20 t-shirts as 1 thing! My statement on using a roommates dishes was not saying that sharing is bad, but rather that minimalists can use really sketchy math to add up their belongings. If your roommate has a full set of dishes, and you use them regularly, then you need to count them in the list of items you live with. Sharing sets of dishes between roommates isn't minimalism…it's normal!
Posted by Brigitte on March 7, 2011 at 5:02 pm | permalink |
Optimalism – I never heard of that before but it is something I can wholeheartedly get behind. I need to practice optimalism – when I try to practice minimalism I end up re-buying half of what I got rid of (especially tools, I've decided to never get rid of another tool because 3 months after I do is exactly when I need the special saw to trim the bottom of a door casing).
Posted by Casual Surfer on March 7, 2011 at 8:14 pm | permalink |
I loved this blog post. I cannot believe I read it as I was meditating on how to help my business partner declutter because he is a hoarder and I now work 3 days from home because I cannot write in that space. It feels claustrophobic. We used to date and hated that I gave away everything or just threw it out and told him the universe would send it my way when I need it. I have spent the last few months reading books on why people gather things and I do agree that it is partly circumstantial – I do not think I would be so minimalist if I had not spent 3 years traveling and living in 3 different continents. Traveling forces you to be a minimalist or lose most of your money to the airlines.
Posted by Vangile on March 7, 2011 at 2:48 pm | permalink |
I liked that this blog was a different take on minimalism. I've been reading Zen Habits and such for a few months now and had to feebly nod my head in agreement when you said it turned into some sort of minimalism porn. I'm not a minimalist, but I do enjoy thinking outside of a hyper-consumer culture and attempt to apply those ideas on my own terms. I've always felt that minimalism is a continuum. That everything is really–there are uniform extremes, well they are rare. How many people do you know actually do the extreme minimalist "in the wild" kind of lifestyle? I do agree that many of the minimalist blogs are repetitive, I've gotten tired of the "how to" lists, but there's no reason to insult Leo, he's doing what he genuinely believes in.
Posted by Katie on March 7, 2011 at 3:06 pm | permalink |
You have me laughing. This whole concept (and well, your too) reminds me of so many people who "move to the simple life", escaping the 'establishment' ONLY after securely amassing more than enough filthy lucre to live very comfortably no matter where they are or what their new lifestyle.
Do the big six-figure thing for long enough to let it set you up for life, then thumb your nose at that hurried lifestyle. Nice deal if you can manage it… but do you suppose all the millions of people who can't bankroll that sort of idealism see it the same way?
Posted by Bill on March 7, 2011 at 3:14 pm | permalink |
This is a valid point, Bill. I have not amassed a ton of stuff myself. But as a child I had every material thing I wanted. And I think that enables me to be not so impressed with the material world now. I do think it's easier to go without when you have already lived with everything.
Interestingly, though, the farmer was much more impoverished as a kid than he is now, but as a child he never felt poor, he never felt like he was being denied material things. So I think a lot has to do with environment as well. There is just not a consumerist mindset in farmland.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on March 7, 2011 at 6:42 pm | permalink |
I thought you met the Farmer because he emailed you after reading one of your columns… how'd that work if he didn't have internet?
Posted by heather on March 7, 2011 at 3:46 pm | permalink |
He went to his mom and dad's house.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on March 7, 2011 at 4:42 pm | permalink |
I had the same thought. Wow, do his parents realize they were your matchmakers?
Posted by Tzipporah on March 8, 2011 at 11:45 am | permalink |
I smiled when you wrote that you only bought the book because it matched your house well. A man would say typical woman.:D
Anyways I am interested in that book. Would be interesting to turn my little flat into art. lol.
xx
Stephanie
Posted by Stephanie Fox on March 7, 2011 at 3:54 pm | permalink |
Penelope's final line resonates best with me:
"⦠do we need a guide to minimalism, or do we need a guide to understanding where our own sweet spot is on the continuum between minimalism and interestingness?"
I think finding your personal sweet spot on the continuum is key. My wife is a hoarder and so are her mother and sister. I trend towards minimalism and this is partially a reaction to my wife's tendencies to buy and hold onto stuff (some useful, most not).
I also agree with Penelope's point about wanting fewer things if you don't see / hear about them. After I got a PVR and stopped watching TV commercials I found didn't want to shop as much. By skipping the mall and other retail opportunities I further reduced my desire to buy stuff. I know I'm not just cheap because if I see something I like online I often buy it – even impulsively.
I plan to continue finding my sweet spot on the continuum (and hopefully nudging my wife in the same direction as mine).
Posted by Ron G on March 7, 2011 at 3:59 pm | permalink |
when hoarding runs in families, one has to wonder what drives it, emotionally. i don't disagree with some psychs who accredit it to those who are trying to fill some sort of gap in their lives. i had a grandmother who was one, and the result, after her passing, was the sad sight of someone who thought things were more important than people (not to mention the months it took me to clean out her home).
how to compel that in a spouse seems quite a challenge. good luck!
otherwise, i'm so with you on cutting commercials out of our lives as a way to simplify, calm the noise. after a career in marketing and advertising, i rather hate listening to/seeing it all. we've elected to drop cable all together and simply get viewing entertainment via whatever streams, and DVDs…and more reading for pleasure!
Posted by thatgirl on March 7, 2011 at 4:48 pm | permalink |
I dunno. I rather like "Focus". If you dismiss the ideas because they seem too simplistic, then maybe you don't appreciate the power of ideas. This isn't about just one technique, not having stuff or placing yourself in a position where you are forced to live with less. It's about seeing life differently and making those choices wherever you live.
I don't know if this is about minimalism as much as it is about simplicity. (http://www.amazon.com/dp/089281554X/?tag=brazecaree-20)
The philosophy of stoicism which is brings in a lot of the same ideas.
(http://www.amazon.com/dp/0195374614/?tag=brazecaree-20)
Posted by Grace on March 7, 2011 at 4:19 pm | permalink |
I guess technically every college kid living in their own apartment is a minimalist. I remember living in a two room apartment in New York City with no furniture but my futon – which was my bed as well as sofa. No TV, no radio, no phone, no computer, no internet. The super brought me two folding chairs after he came by once to fix a window as he was so appalled at the sparseness. I did get a land-line eventually at my mothers insistence. It didn't occur to me at the time that I needed anything else. I had clothes, food, my puppies, and a place to sleep. Life was good.
Posted by Dana on March 7, 2011 at 5:04 pm | permalink |
Your article on minimalism was interesting, but had too many words in it.
As a "true" minimalist, I can only read 50 words per day.
And I can only type 32.
Posted by Steven A. Lowe on March 7, 2011 at 5:26 pm | permalink |
Penelope, if this means you are no longer flying to LA for a haircut — great, I agree, yon might qualify as a minimilist and I think that's great. Otherwise, I'm having a really hard time with the concept.
Posted by Erica on March 7, 2011 at 5:29 pm | permalink |
Still flying to LA to get a haircut. But I don't think I'd do that anymore if my hairdresser weren't also my best friend… I'd probably go to Chicago — only two hours away. Minimalist or not?
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on March 7, 2011 at 6:44 pm | permalink |
Not. Not, at any rate, if you're following the idea minimalism as you've described it: not keeping up with the Joneses. I think you'd learn to cut your own hair or have the farmer do it for you, because you would not care what it looked like in the end. Or maybe you would just stop cutting it altogether.
Posted by Margaret Goerig on March 8, 2011 at 5:28 am | permalink |
I know that there might have been point to this post but, are you high?
Posted by Celine on March 7, 2011 at 6:47 pm | permalink |
I think you have too great of a need to talk to be a minimalist.
Posted by MyWifeThinksI'mADonkey on March 7, 2011 at 6:51 pm | permalink |
I put all my multi-colored items, including books, in the 2 guest bedrooms. I keep the living area and my bedroom in monochromatic shades of grey with splashes of cobalt blue. It's nice to know that others color coordinate their spaces to the extent I do.
Posted by dstallma on March 7, 2011 at 7:16 pm | permalink |
"And I wonder, do we need a guide to minimalism, or do we need a guide to understanding where our own sweet spot is on the continuum between minimalism and interestingness?"
That quote is on the mark. It is not about duplicating another person's sweet spot. It is about finding our own.
I too have wondered about Leo's concept of leaving Guam, with it's imposed minimalism, to move to SF. I've been in SF many times and the minimalistic life it isn't.
Posted by Doug on March 7, 2011 at 7:28 pm | permalink |
I was going to reply to Pen's post to say that Leo would have a much easier time being a minimalist in San Fran than on Guam. I'm from Guam, and Guam does not encourage minimalism.
For the record (speaking up for my homies on Guam), Guam is isolated but has a better shopping selection than many places than in "The States" (as people from Guam often call the U.S.) This is particularly true of luxury goods and anything made in Asia. I've been to several cities in the midwest and south, only to be disappointed in the shopping. I love West Coast shopping and long to re-visit South Coast Plaza, anyplace in San Fran, Vegas, Seattle, etc. I'm no minimalist!
On Guam, minimalism (material minimalism, anyway) is impractical and irresponsible because of the supply chain. There are always typhoons that cut the island off from essentials–sometimes for just a few days; other times for weeks if the harbor gets damaged. When K-Mart and Cost U Less run out of toilet paper or canned goods, or Home Depot runs out of plywood for boarding up windows, residents are pretty much S.O.L. This results in a sort of forced hoarding. It is considered foolish and irresponsible to NOT keep a few weeks' worth of essentials in your home!
P, I was shocked when you said you have no cabinets in your kitchen. I know from one of your tweets that you live in a 1 snowplow town. Where do you stockpile food for when you get snowed in? I'm not talking nuclear war-level stockpiling, but just a couple of week's worth of food for your kids.
Posted by JBee on March 8, 2011 at 1:16 pm | permalink |
Duh. I bet you have a pantry. Please say you have a pantry and some way (other than visiting the Farmer's parents) to feed your kids if you get snowed in for a long time.
When I first saw one of those, my eyeballs fell out of my head! A room. Just to hold food. What luxury! I actually took photos!
In my defense, that was pre-internet and pre-food channel. It's been 20+ years and I still remember exactly how I felt at that moment. A room. Just to hold food. What luxury!
Posted by JBee on March 8, 2011 at 1:20 pm | permalink |
Personally, I don't feel that there's anything wrong with consumption; I buy books and DVDs because I want to enjoy them multiple times at my leisure. They're about learning and if I love something, I want to keep it in my possession for as long as humanly possible. The concept of minimalism (if it really is a Buddhist concept) is about letting go of what you don't need, what burdens you. It's why Buddhism says that attachment brings misery, and that by letting those attachments go, you're no longer basing your happiness on the condition of that particular thing or person. Minimalism is an extension of that; throw out what you don't need or use, and only get the essentials. It's about living within your means versus bursting at the seams with items that you're afraid or too lazy to toss out.
But to be minimalist is also very much about being mindful. A lot of people hold on to things in anticipation of using them in the future, or thinking that they'll need it in some random situation. It's about living in sustainable comfort, so unless you're traveling all the time, you don't have to live like a vagabond with almost no items, but just enough that you use everything that you own on a regular basis.
But minimalism is not just about physical items, it's a mentality as well. Not feeling that you have to overextend yourself, not just at work, but socially as well. Knowing what your emotional and mental needs consist of is equally important.
Posted by Tatiana on March 7, 2011 at 10:47 pm | permalink |
When I saw your books stacked in the nook by the stairs, I smiled and thought of Samuel Pepys. He shelved his 3000 books by height, smallest to largest, to efficiently use storage space.
Posted by tiff on March 7, 2011 at 10:56 pm | permalink |
Great post. I live like this as well, in a way. give a great peace of mind and lots of time to be creative. which brings me to my point for writing-
The ugly books:
I sympathise. Let me share what I do.
if the content is really cool you can always put on a more interesting cover;) do a collage, use giftwrapping paper, paint it… the sky is the limit! and it is a fun thing to do;)
Posted by Mariane H Tveter on March 8, 2011 at 4:11 am | permalink |
I read focus and maybe I am forgetting some huge chunk of the book but what I got out of it had absolutely nothing to do with paring down our possessions. If it was indeed about minimalism, it was minimalism of the mind: scheduling in moments to disconnect; weeding the good ideas out of the plethora of noise; trying to do a few things well, rather than scattering ourselves thin. I don't remember Leo talking about getting rid of stuff; it was more like he was talking about how to live with so much stuff.
Also, when you say this: "Plus, I discredit all straight men who do not have a wife or kids and claim to be minimalists. They are not minimalists, they are just bachelors, programmed over thousands of years to use sex to accumulate possessions rather than shopping."
You're not talking about Leo; are you? Because last I heard, he has six kids and a wife.
Posted by Margaret Goerig on March 8, 2011 at 5:38 am | permalink |
I would love to have enough cash flow to go minimalist in Haight/Cole valley with a family of 8. The cost of 8 one-way tickets from guam to San Fran would be more than I have spent on any car purchase.
Posted by Jake on March 8, 2011 at 8:32 am | permalink |
all fascinating! love both of your blogs — fun to see the "mash-up" here. my take on minimalism (and such blogs) is that minimalism can be a broadstrokes foundation of one's thinking rather than a prescriptive list of what should or should not be in one's home. so while I might not limit myself to 20 things, minimalists like Leo remind me that most thing I think I need to get are really just bonuses.
i totally agree that NYC makes one prone to consumerism because of peer pressure, which you cited, and also because it is so easy to shop here! in LA, for example, there are so many barriers to shopping: driving/parking/finding a space/picking a store to drive to that one must select this activity.
Posted by kerry on March 8, 2011 at 9:24 am | permalink |
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Posted by H on March 8, 2011 at 9:51 am | permalink |
As someone who once lived in a pickup truck topper for two years, I understand minimalism–I just can't practice it without the financial pressures of unemployment.
Aesthetics, function, and efficiency make more sense than minimalism. Combining these three values will enable us to toss out the mental and physical clutter, along with the dust mites and cobwebs.
Electronics does the rest. I only purchase books, now, if they're secondhand and under a dollar. E-books, electronic downloads, and paperless office and purse are my eventual goals, and bedbugs are not known to hide in laptops, tablets, or i-implements.
Posted by littlepitcher on March 8, 2011 at 10:06 am | permalink |
Penelope, you are such a troublemaker with that headline!
I love reading your blog. It always wakes me up and even though once in a rare while it makes me angry (not this one) I still recommend it to everyone I know because it always shows another side of things that is worth thinking about.
Minimalism is interesting and I think about the concept when I am making a decision about whether to buy something.
I don't judge people who are more or less minimalist. Those who do remind me of people who are religiously observant and feel superior to those who are less observant. I feel the same thing about religion as I do about minimalism (a sort of religion): what you do is more important than what you say or what you have.
Posted by Ilana on March 8, 2011 at 10:08 am | permalink |
But you have a 1st edition copy of White Noise! Please, please don't purge that!!!
Posted by Lamar Mundane on March 8, 2011 at 10:19 am | permalink |
You can sell your old books on Amazon. I've sold out-of-print books there for anywhere from $30 to $275. What you think of as ugly others might actually be looking for.
Posted by Leslie on March 8, 2011 at 10:44 am | permalink |
In 2000 a fellow colleague moved to Germany to work for the same company I was working for. He had a "house warming" party at his apartment and my husband and I were invited. His apartment was on the top floor of a wonderful old building in downtown Munich full of wonderful angles and large windows as well as a tiny balcony. As I looked around I saw barely any furniture so I assumed it hadn't arrived. He walked up to welcome us and I said all cheery, "the place looks great when is your container arriving with all your furniture?". He looked around puzzled and said, "Um it already did, I unpacked last week". Ooopps, he was truly a minimalist and upon closer inspection his place literally had 3-4 pieces of furniture including a bed and a sofa and that was it. No decorations, nothing…but it looked very nice.
Posted by betty in munich on March 8, 2011 at 10:44 am | permalink |
I'd be careful with throwing out your kids' stuff if I were you. They should, and most likely will, resent that control. I suspect that you are raising future hoarders, not future minimalists.
Posted by Steve C on March 8, 2011 at 11:10 am | permalink |
Hmm, I tend to agree Steve! Kids will mostly swing the other way when left to their own devices.
Posted by Helen on March 8, 2011 at 12:32 pm | permalink |
Minimalism is easy for an individual, hard for a family, especially if the members disagree on what's essential to keep.
You can throw away your kids' toys because you're the mom. Imagine what would happen to your marriage if you threw away your husband's books. (Or X-Box, plow, whatever fits)
Posted by Tzipporah on March 8, 2011 at 5:40 pm | permalink |
fucking A…its why i gave up minimalism…its so boring…
also, agree with lifestyle porn…its so OCD to have that as an ideal aesthetic…
so when are you going to move back to civilisation…you'll get bored eventually…
Posted by maximillienne on March 9, 2011 at 3:11 am | permalink |
3. A social circle of people who are minimalists
Oh, so true–peer pressure is not just for kids!
Posted by Connie on March 9, 2011 at 11:04 am | permalink |
Have you considered giving the books to the library or thrift store, and the clothes too. Rather than going to a landfill pass them on!
Posted by c on March 9, 2011 at 11:06 am | permalink |
Thank you so much for writing this. It help me confront my conflict between simplicity and stimulation. No WONDER I felt ambivalent. You put your finger on it. I AM ambivalent about things. I want variety without accumulation. Things must be replaced and not collected.
Posted by Theresa Quintanilla on March 9, 2011 at 2:07 pm | permalink |
I am my stuff…
My stuff is me…
Without stuff who am I?
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Posted by LoganBanner on March 9, 2011 at 5:47 pm | permalink |
You have an editor, yet this sentence was published: "The result was extreme loneliness, and over-dependence on his parents, which were the only people who could make their way into such a closed-off life."
Posted by Sasana on March 9, 2011 at 9:33 pm | permalink |
If you are really steadfast in your convictions, isn't it possibly to be a minimalist and remain focused on something else rather than consumerism even in NYC? I agree we tend to become one with our peers and something like eyebrows might suddenly become earnestly important, but isn't the beauty of NYC the sheer diversity of people? I would think NYC allows for individual expression more than probably any other city in the world. Some NYC folks might care if you are wearing the same clothes for 5 days and your eyebrows are askew, but just as many won't. – right? The pressure to conform to local standards is greater where there is less diversity.
Additionally, isn't it a good thing to have interesting/diversity/stimulation external to your living space? Wouldn't living in SF like Leo provide further impetus towards minimalism; so much stimulation available it isn't needed at home? I always think the reason NYers wear so much black is the visual landscape is so stimulating already. A city seems like a great place to practice minimalism (IF you have the steadfastness I mentioned above)
Posted by Fuji on March 10, 2011 at 5:05 am | permalink |
A book you would enjoy: Spaced Out, radical environments of the psychedelic sixties: http://www.spacedoutthebook.net/
@ Amazon of course. Not just for pix but a great cultural history.
The simple lifestyle was of course very sixties – build your own with whatever available, grow your own (as you practice) and do not consume unnecessarily. The form- genuinely creative architecture- that evolved from this function fits your notion of modern/simple better. The "joke" the sixties and hippies have become was a conscious effort by the powers that be to keep us in line consuming and dependent on the status quo. Off-grid and self-sufficient are the enemy of capitalism.
Posted by barbara de vries on March 10, 2011 at 7:51 am | permalink |
Penelope:
Claims not to judge or like people judging yet judges Leo's ability to be a minimalist in San Francisco.
Attaches herself to things like a house and books that match it or look good in it, instead of attaching to and caring for the relationships in the house. Truly caring for a relationship means you respect others enough not to throw out things that may be important to them. These decisions are made together. What if your kids threw out all of your non-functional frames hanging on the walls of your house becasue they happened to not particularly like them? Would that be okay?
Leo may live in San Francisco so his family has more activities to do together, but that does not mean he is not a minimalist or that he advice on minimalism or zen habits are any less valuable.
You are on the farm, but get up at 4 or 5 am to work alone. You feel isolated and alone, the police are on speed dial, the kids are where when you bash your head with a lamp, and you're worried about where you'll go if you're husband dies or you have leave? I'm not sure what you seem to be touting as the "real" version of minimalism is working well. Maybe you need more stuff or more activities to get outside of yourself, not feel as lonely, and not worry so much about the farmer and what used to be his stuff.
Posted by Jacque on March 10, 2011 at 2:38 pm | permalink |
Penelope, I love this post. Thank you for articulating what has bothered me for so long about the minimalism movement — it is "lifestyle porn" (great phrase) for people with boring lives. All of those 1-year "experiments" are exactly like dog and pony tricks, with no lasting substance behind them. Ugh.
That said, I love Leo's blog, and I think he has a lot of wisdom to share. I'm not being contradictory — his blog is great, but I also accept your valid criticism.
Likewise, while I enjoyed this post, I wish you would be a little less judgmental and aggressive in your posts about other bloggers, even if they do help you get readers. I think about a blog like Get Rich Slowly, where JD Roth maintains and gains readers through consistently good content; he never relies on inflammatory titles or stirring up controversies.
Posted by imelda on March 10, 2011 at 6:43 pm | permalink |
Penelope you are so right.
This is why even though I am a 'minimalist' in the conventional sense, I see the need for stuff.
Probably the better explanation is that I'm someone who is a modern girl, who hates owning and holding a lot of stuff because she HATES moving from city to city with it.
More like a modern nomad. Minimalism is part of it, but for me, minimalism is more about focus. Simplifying your life down to what you need, what you want, and not what you don't want or need.
This sounds so banal, even stupid… but you'd be surprised how many things I did and how many people I kept in my life who were just negative and dragging me down mentally and physically.
I simply don't do what I don't want to do. I only do what I want to do. I keep what I want to keep. I buy things. I wear different outfits. I have more than 5 pairs of shoes or 5 outfits. I don't own a TV, I only have a cellphone between my BF and I, and I want kids. Lots of them. I know they come with toys and things and I'm okay with that.
I just don't want to waste my time or energy on things that I don't find useful or beneficial for –my– life any more.
Posted by The Everyday Minimalist on March 11, 2011 at 10:37 am | permalink |
I think the last point I want to make is that "minimalism" is such a broad term. Everyone picks on it either positively or negatively.
Frankly, why should anyone care what you do with your life?
It is YOUR life, right? Not theirs?
That's the real question you should ask yourself. It is only once you let go of what other people think or care about what you do, and you bloody do what you want to do… that makes it all make sense in the end.
It's the same as with personal finance, or even frugality (another hot topic that comes under fire a lot).
So what if people make their own soap? Or don't use detergent at all?
Just know that these people exist in the world, are happy doing what they do, living their own lives and WANT to do those things.
There's no need for anyone to conform one way or the other, but only to see that there are different viewpoints and alternatives if you choose to change (either way).
Posted by The Everyday Minimalist on March 11, 2011 at 10:41 am | permalink |
Loved this line:
"Plus, I discredit all straight men who do not have a wife or kids and claim to be minimalists. They are not minimalists, they are just bachelors…"
Thats how I feel when I read Ev Bouge. I thought his ebook on Miminalism was a good kick start, but most the time I think "Tell me about how you only have two pairs of underwear when you are potty training children."
I've been on a "less" kick lately. I'm finding that certain possessions drain me of my energy, and I' thinning, thinning, thinning. My kids and parenter won't let me get rid of the books tho, which is what drives me the most nuts. The books, and the dvds. (Why? There's Netflix.)
Everytime I shop I say this mantra:
"Everything that enters your home requires your care."
It's helping me stick to the very basics.
Thanks for the intriguing thoughts.
Rachelle
Posted by Rachelle Mee-Chapman on March 11, 2011 at 12:09 pm | permalink |
Getting rid of your stuff = being boring? This is a great piece but I don't agree with you.
We've moderately downsized/embraced minimalism and I've found the opposite is true. Instead of working more to buy more crap, I read (mostly from the library). I joined Crossfit. I'm getting to know my city better. I spend more time with friends and family.
Spending hours browsing stores and dreaming of owning a bigger home, a newer car and more expensive clothing is what I consider boring. And working at a job you hate to pay for all if it is even more boring. The epitome of boring: listening to your friend complain about the job/boss they hate and how stressed out they are from work.
Oh, and now that I've found your site I can tell the job haters to come here for career advice.
Posted by Rachel on March 11, 2011 at 12:55 pm | permalink |
I think the author, and many of the commenters here have missed the point of minimalism. Either that, or the minimalist community is doing a bad job at articulating what minimalism is all about. I'm leaning towards both being true.
When Karol Gajda talks about optimalism, he's really talking about minimalism. Minimalism is different for everyone, and it's about finding the right stuff for your situation. It's not about the least stuff, it's about the right stuff. If a person claims that minimalism is about hitting a certain number of possessions then they too are missing the point.
There is nothing inherently boring about minimalism. It's quite the opposite, in fact. Minimalism is about finding what's important to you â what excites you â and making room in your life to do that. What's boring about finding your passion?
I agree that Zen Habits has become repetitive and somewhat stale over the years, but that might be due to the fact that Leo's audience is still growing, and new readers might appreciate the 'beginner' stuff.
There's nothing wrong with moving on from a blog (or job, or lifestyle, or whatever) that you've outgrown. I'm just thankful to Leo for helping me grow!
Posted by Jaryd on March 11, 2011 at 1:51 pm | permalink |
I have read my share of minimalistic viewpoints over the years, and the almost romantic idealism that most of it is tinged with really catches me, but I am not meant to be a minimalist to the extreme. I enjoy Leo's work because he has family commitments. I can certainly understand the desire to move to San Francisco. I'd go in a heartbeat if it was just myself, but I have a wife, kids and a job that rely on my being here. Being an art director for a printing company means I can be out of the office sometimes, but when there is a color to be matched, I can't just guess at it via webcam. Oh, and I enjoy my job (most days).
So many minimalists are writers by trade, and more than a few are globe-trotting couch-surfers to boot, that it seems that you have to be a writer to make it work. But these writers making minimalism work often fail to see how having laptops and relying on frequent use of public transport and commercial airlines hardly qualifies as living minimally. The form factor of your possessions might be small, but the environmental impact of your lifestyle isn't really tiny when compared with mine.
I am not a green fanatic by any means, but my point is this: it is easier for some to claim how good it feels to dunk a basketball and that we should all do it, but when the rest of us come up short (for real) we shouldn't feel badly about it. The globe-trotting minimalist needs the people who keep regular jobs, otherwise there'd be no public transport or Starbucks to rely upon. We are all a piece of the puzzle of humanity, and the global economy. Mindlessly emulating someone else's shape will leave you with no place to fit, and a hole where you should be.
Consumerism certainly holds sway over the populace, as it did me for many years, and sometimes still does. My goal with my kids isn't to hide it from them, but teach them to deal with it in a reasonable fashion. I'd hate for them to end up as an adult in this world, inundated by life's options and not have had the lessons already learned.
Posted by Jeremy Ryan Palmer on March 11, 2011 at 1:52 pm | permalink |
Excellent, well written piece! Everything you've stated is just how I feel about minimalism. My family lives a simple life, but feels no need to count anything, subscribe or read the insanity that spews from Bogue's mouth or worry about whether it's OK to drive the truck into town for food. (We live in the country.)
Well said!
Posted by Jody on March 11, 2011 at 1:53 pm | permalink |
You seem to care too much about what other people will think of you if you do this or that.
But minimalism is not about other people or the place you live, it's about you.
Posted by Deyse on March 11, 2011 at 4:50 pm | permalink |
Cracked up at "lifestyle porn." Probably is. That being said, minimalism is a great lifestyle, and makes everything SO much more interesting and enjoyable. I like not being about all my old useless stuff that used to lurk in the corners of the basement, or shopping recreationally. But as in any other field or topic, there's good stuff and there's BS ;D
Posted by Meg on March 11, 2011 at 5:40 pm | permalink |
Another 'my minimalism is better than your minimalism.' :/
Posted by Caroline on March 11, 2011 at 8:43 pm | permalink |
I think maybe all things are like this — that is, we make big decisions about our life, and we want to believe we make good decisions, so we end up ranking everyone in our head, but really, there's no right answer. Still, I always feel compelled to weigh in on what I think the right answer is. Life is more pleasant for me when it's black and white.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on March 17, 2011 at 9:17 pm | permalink |
The fact that we have the time to write about, read about and discuss such trivial matters as minimalism, has made me realise what a bunch of shallow, spoilt brats we have become.
People in Sendai now have nothing; a nuclear meltdown might be about to occur and we talk about books sorted in colour!
Time for me to rethink for sure.
Posted by James Dyas Davidson on March 12, 2011 at 4:18 am | permalink |
Penelope, soon you will become the "farm" and run short of metaphors to write about just as you point out about the "farmer" living in a closed system. You too have now stepped into that [closed] world and it is starting to show in your writing. So which will you choose, happiness or interesting?
Posted by Joe Campbell on March 12, 2011 at 7:20 am | permalink |
Minimalism is the polar opposite of extreme consumerism. Rather than focus on what defines minimalism(in its extreme, mild, or other forms), would we not benefit more in understanding that aiming for minimalism moves us closer to the middle ground? (e.g. optimalism)
The beauty of Leo's brand of minimalism is not so much in its definition of what minimalist is. It is the momentum that it creates in stirring a person to take action towards a middle ground. Sure, lots of people swing back and forth between the extremes…but this is not a perfect system.
What we want is a bell-shaped curve, where most of us will find ourselves without owning or wanting too much, nor too little. If you have things just right, you should neither feel deprived(over-minimalized?) nor burdened(over-consumerized?). Content, happy, and able to serve and co-exist with our fellow people. Isn't that a worthy goal to aim for?
Posted by Marvin on March 13, 2011 at 9:41 pm | permalink |
I disagree with your opinion of Leo's move, but I honor your right to have it. You are correct that in some ways it is easier to be a minimalist in the country than it is in the city, but country life has needs of its own. I've lived in both and know from experience.
Minimalism on a farm can be horribly boring if you are used to going out and doing things. In the city you can go to the park, the library or other places without it being a big excursion to get out of the house. If you aren't the outgoing type you can get by on a farm with a good internet connection, and if you can limit the farm animals, tools, tractors and other equipment it is much cheaper (if you don't have a house payment). If you run to town a lot it can get scary expensive in gasoline alone!
Thank you for sharing your viewpoint on the subject. You have given me something to think about.
Posted by Annie on March 14, 2011 at 9:15 am | permalink |
There is no set path to minimalism. There are no "rules" that define this lifestyle. It's about your own personal journey to define and achieve a less materialistic life. To think otherwise is egotistical.
Leo's posts simply provide food for thought for those looking to discover their own way to achieve a life that is more about experiences and relationships than stuff. There are a multitude of ways to achieve minimalism and it's a personal journey all the way. Having websites to read about how others have achieved a minimalist lifestyle is helpful in giving one a place to start and the tools to move you towards your own definition of a minimalist lifestyle.
The fact that Leo (and others)have been able to parlay this into a way to make a living for his family lends truth to the fact that people are looking for something other than materialism to make their lives meaningful. How to achieve that life can only be defined by the one making the commitment to go there.
Posted by Darby on March 17, 2011 at 7:30 am | permalink |
Fuck you.
Posted by tjrkweo on March 18, 2011 at 8:27 am | permalink |
Perhaps I'm the lone romantic… the sole bohemian who reads your blog. Minimalism is a nice aspiration but I find that when I enter friend's homes who are truly edited to this degree, I find myself longing. Where are the pictures, the treasures, the momentos of who you are? I am not a hoarder, but I really do like looking at certain objects every day. Taking things down and saying to my kids "This belonged to your Gee-Gee (Great-Grandmother), this is what she played with when she was a girl". I feel I may be too sentimental to ever be a true minimalist.
Posted by Christy on March 18, 2011 at 1:10 pm | permalink |
I used to be a packrat, decided to be a minimalist for a few months (mostly based on daydreams or "lifestyle pr0n"… would't it be great to go live in another country for a month with only a thermos and moleskine notebook…)
What I do now is similar to what you do: make a conscious decision of what goes in my apartment, and don't get sentimental about the decoratoins. If I wanted to decorate with books, I would do it. If I wanted to decorate the remaining shelf space with kinder-surprise toys, I would. As long as it has a net positive effect on my life and doesn't interfere with putting away things or finding my keys in the morning.
Hmm…. I wonder if i could travel with only a thermos and moleskine notebook. And passport in a money-belt, and small backpack with a couple changes of underwear, a guidebook, a jacket… now I'm daydreaming again…
Posted by Layla on March 22, 2011 at 10:07 am | permalink |
I'm here to say yes you can, while I have a beautiful 3,000 square foot home for my wife and I, my time however is not spent there. It is spent traveling the world for business in fact I'm writing this post from Malaysia on my iPad. Last year I spent 46 out 52 on the road with only a briefcase and airline carryon bag. That's it no more no less, in addition one of reasons I've pointed out iPad is I no longer will own a paper book or periodical. So set your self free…
Posted by Joe Campbell on March 22, 2011 at 5:25 pm | permalink |
After reading these comments, it occurs to me that it is inherently "unminimalist" to over-discuss what it means to be minimalist, and especially to argue about it.
Minimalism is relative and can be done anywhere (contrary to Penelope's assertion). I believe true minimalism means limiting yourself to the essential, the "essential" being what you believe to be necessary for your ideal lifestyle, and nothing more.
It is the antithesis of clutter. It is the antithesis of waste. And it is the antithesis of over 100 comments mostly centering on a discussion of what minimalism really is.
Posted by Christian on March 23, 2011 at 1:23 pm | permalink |
I just discovered this site and the passion from all points makes interesting reading. But lots of judgments and assertions. Hmmm. Guess I will undiscover the site.
Posted by walter schmidt on March 26, 2011 at 9:34 am | permalink |
So true. Some people can't just state what they like, but are compelled to state what they don't like. There's a problem with focus and intention. And I feel very sorry for Penelope's kids….throwing away all the toys that aren't picked up sounds a bit obsessive-compulsive to me. Maybe it was the bedbug experience that sent her over the edge. I hear that can be quite traumatic.
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Interesting points, I am building a camper van and a mobile shop in a cargo trailer. Everything I will need will be in it. I am divorced with a son since you mentioned bachelors don't count. I could fit comfortably a family of three. I have been working on simplifying my life in this direction. I don't consider myself to be a minimalist but I don't want any object unless it has a useful purpose that eases my life. If something takes more energy to posses than it creates its got to go. I never know until I try it out though so I am willing to give the object a trial run. I also am looking into connecting circles. The trailer has my tools much like a garage and contains my motorcycle. If I need to work on the van trailer or bike I can do so with little outside help. Solar panels batteries and small wind generators along with gas generators for power. Anything to help the system sustain itself is the goal. Any extra money can go into improving the efficiency and or quality of the system including quality of comfort. Its only minimalist in that the small space only provides so much room for extras. Space saving technologies are of great interest to me. Besides sounds like fun having the freedom to move about and travel with minimal effort. Although gas prices are getting bad. I am working on that also. we will see thanks for your insight.
Posted by sean on April 17, 2011 at 8:13 pm | permalink |
What a insipid post. It seems to me like you're only riding on Leo's publicity here. There's no reason to belittle someones' way of life just because it does not suit you. You could very well have written about your own life here without mentioning Zen Habits.
Some of the things that Leo writes, for example the 'Productivity Hacks' are extremely good advice. He isn't asking you to buy his book or his advice, you should simple read it all and then take away what pertains to you instead of insulting what does not.This is very imature, at 21, I can tell you that. I'm highly disappointed with you attitude, but that only proves how much publicity and reader involvement you're getting out of this.
The truth is, you should find your own balance, no matter what anyone tells you about your life, you still have to find your own way. And try and do that without criticism.
Have a nice day.
Posted by Tracy deSouza on April 25, 2011 at 1:18 am | permalink |
Wow, this was a very powerful post.
I'm not really sure what to make of it…
Posted by Annie on May 4, 2011 at 2:03 am | permalink |
"Plus, I discredit all straight men who do not have a wife or kids and claim to be minimalists. They are not minimalists, they are just bachelors, programmed over thousands of years to use sex to accumulate possessions rather than shopping."
Penelope,
You seem like an idiot with this statement.
Posted by Teresa on May 4, 2011 at 11:47 pm | permalink |
As an organizing & productivity expert I am absolutely FASCINATED by the discussion here! What a rousing bunch of varying opinions and I think that's the point. Between my years in business (13) and reading from and about minimalism, I'm coming to some things I'll refer to as conclusions.
1. Minimalism is RELATIVE. There is balance to everything. And as such…
2. There's not ONE right way to "be a minimalist."
3. I LOVE the term "optimalist" – that I can get behind! That is how I view myself & my family of two. We try to keep around only the things we use and love. Does that mean we only have a few sticks of furniture? Heck no. But we're constantly evaluating what takes the space in our lives and deciding if it's still worthy of that space and energy.
4.I do a workshop on creating simplicity in your life and I offer five keys to help do that. They are simple concepts but not always as simple to implement because they often affect relationships, especially the one on setting boundaries. People don't live in a vacuum, and it's easy to say "get rid of all your stuff" but you can't ignore the nuance of making your primary relationships work in the context of that goal.
5. I've been doing a lot of reading about minimalism online (various places not just here) and I have to come out and say it… *some* minimalists are really annoying. I see them posting in blog comments (or writing blogs themselves) taking an attitude of "more minimal than thou". Yuck. Do your thing if you're passionate about it. Educate people, live your example, but please don't get all high and mighty about it. Dude, do what works for you, make your contribution and get off my back if I own a car or have a TV.
I guess what I keep coming back to as an overarching concept is that life is a process, and to all things there is balance. Great and thought-provoking post!
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~Monica
Posted by Monica Ricci on May 6, 2011 at 9:37 am | permalink |
the reason why i see minimalism as positive is because you make use of what you have. you can have 100s of good exercise /yoga books but if you dont use them what is the use? someimes when you have less you use what you have . the posts were very interesting especially the comments about Leo
Posted by denise on May 7, 2011 at 3:38 pm | permalink |
WHAT a breath of fresh air. Thanks for this, this is going in my next Best Reads of the Week.
'This will scar them for life.' Too good! Goes to show minimalism does not mean getting rid of your personality or sense of humor.
Posted by 36broadway on May 16, 2011 at 10:43 am | permalink |
"Plus, I discredit all straight men who do not have a wife or kids and claim to be minimalists. They are not minimalists, they are just bachelors, programmed over thousands of years to use sex to accumulate possessions rather than shopping."
Super offensive, since I am an unmarried man of 22 who adopted the minimalist lifestyle to save myself. Hoarding made me a very lazy, and very unsocial person. Now I have time and friends, thanks to a major lifestyle change. This comment is blunt, and 'poisoning the well'. Do you also call other people liars before they speak a word?
I could just say "make me a sandwich", and you would know the impact of your own words.
Posted by Skykar on June 2, 2011 at 1:34 am | permalink |
A brilliant post. Only recently I came across a link to a video showing Everett Bogue's loft, a very minimalist space as you can imagine (I think he owns something like 50 things or so) and I thought: My Gosh, this is boring. Empty spaces, empty walls, just ….. nothing. As you say, nothing to stimulate one intellectually and so on.
I would consider myself a minimalist but not an extremist. I don't owe anything that I do not use, sure but I own plenty of things that I do. Same with the rest of my family. That's what minimalism is all about I think, removing the unnecessary from your life, not making it dead boring.
Thanks for this post!
Posted by Thomas Bruhl on June 7, 2011 at 6:31 am | permalink |
I enjoy reading minimalism blogs as I am actively trying to slowly remove all the crap out of my life. But I completely agree that it is difficult for me to see a single man with no children as a minimalist that I can aspire to be like. Almost all single men that I have known in my life have been pretty close to being a "minimalist". That lifestyle won't work for this married women with two small boys who owns a home and actually likes pictures on the wall. I thought your post was both funny and pretty harsh at the same time :b
Posted by Nikki Outten on August 1, 2011 at 9:05 pm | permalink |
Leo Babauta is a dick.
Posted by Rashomon on August 4, 2011 at 1:38 am | permalink |
I agree with your assessment of minimalist how-to references as lifestyle-porn. Lists, websites, or ebooks outlining rules/guidelines on how to achieve someone's definition of lifestyle minimalism from a capitalistic perspective immediately degenerates into self-parody. Apply Occam's Razor on "lifestyle" minimalism itself — stop reading those sites.
Posted by Jason on August 6, 2011 at 10:25 pm | permalink |
Great… you have to take a dig at someone more popular than you to get attention. Leo has some stuff that's why he gets attention. Please focus on building your substance, you never have to do this cheap trick anymore. You mean people living in Sanfansisico or NY dont deserve to be a minimalist..ha ha
Posted by Santhosh on September 4, 2011 at 4:37 pm | permalink |
Just found your blog today-after quitting my teaching job b/c I realized that actual teaching-even with rote, scripted curriculum- is less than 30% of my day, and SpEd paperwork is/was the rest. Not sure where I am going from here, but it's bound to be interesting.
As far as enforced minimalism goes-I moved last year from a great school district in TX to a really crummy podunk one in OR. We knew we would not live here forever, but the shift for me has been really hard. I have the need of smart people and community places for experiences; OR has great natural beauty but where I live there is zero cultural enrichment that is not self directed ( writing, painting, etc). I just can't really find common ideals with most people who live here on purpose.
I have been organized and clutter-less for all my adult life; to me, minimalism is simply the new buzzword for not hoarding crap/things/people/etc. Monks are the people who truly lead a minimalistic lifestyle. The rest of us are just finally exercising control over our surroundings.
Life is so amazing. Namaste.
Posted by susan on October 3, 2011 at 6:36 pm | permalink |
"Plus, I discredit all straight men who do not have a wife or kids and claim to be minimalists. They are not minimalists, they are just bachelors, programmed over thousands of years to use sex to accumulate possessions rather than shopping."
What a vile sexist pig you are!
I won't be visiting your website again and from now on will always discourage as many people as possible from reading your blog.
Posted by Sid on October 4, 2011 at 4:48 pm | permalink |
"Plus, I discredit all straight men who do not have a wife or kids and claim to be minimalists. They are not minimalists, they are just bachelors, programmed over thousands of years to use sex to accumulate possessions rather than shopping."
What a vile sexist pig you are!
I won't be visiting your website again and from now on will always discourage as many people as possible from reading your blog.
Posted by Sid on October 4, 2011 at 4:48 pm | permalink |
I became ultra minimalist when I walked out on my marriage. I went from a 5 bedroom house with a hoarder husband into a single room in a womens shelter. Between myself and my three girls we had exactly one small suitcase and a washing basket full of 'stuff'. We lived in a room that had two bunkbeds and a tiny childrens closet. We couldn't even make the childrens closet look full. Heck I didn't even have a bank account and it would be some time before I managed to arrange a basic survival income.
Since then, stuff comes and goes (in breaking news – I part-own a fridge, and that's about it). And I part-ways with 'stuff' easily, with giddy glee. So I dig some of Leo's posts.
One post though ( http://zenhabits.net/un/ ), bugged me to the point where I sent him a tweet. Its called 'Toss Productivity Out'.
In 140 characters I politely asked WTF he meant and whether he was perhaps basking in his zen state, Post-Productivity-Phase, and wrongly suggesting it as a viable Starting Point for those of us with a bagful of children and a life to create and manage. It wouldn't fit in my tweet, but I wanted to ask whether he could confidently suggest the content in his post, partly because his Wife does all the busy-work?
His reply was 'try it and see what happens'.
At this point I stopped reading his news feed.
I'm all for harmony and for filtering out the unnecessary. But to use your considerable clout to advise your readership to Toss Productivity Out, is weirdly conceited. At least, it did not resonate with me.
Posted by Miss Angela Solo on October 8, 2011 at 2:14 pm | permalink |
Hi Angela…
I totally see your point. I can barely imagine the challenges of making such a life-altering step and moving on to take came of yourself and your children.
In considering the concept behind the post, "Toss Productivity Out," I at first wondered what the heck Leo meant when I read that a while back. Now I agree with him. What I think this means, or what this means for me, is doing my best to focus on what I'm doing right now, in this moment, and not continually caving in to the tendency to do more than one thing at a time. My kids are in their 20's, but when they were much younger, and I was a stay-at-home-mom, I took pride in my ability to multitask. I understand through experience that multitasking actually minimizes my productivity. I know that as a mom, it's really hard to do just one thing at a time, especially with more than one child. I don't think this path Leo suggests is about perfection though, but rather more about being aware whenever we can to focus on just one thing. It's a gift we can give to ourselves to do just that one thing (if possible). My example (from personal experience) would be that while reading a bedtime story to the kids, I would sometimes fold laundry while also reading the story. The experience with the kids was less intimate (no cuddling) and the clothes folding took way longer. Now I see that letting the cloths wait and focusing on the kids really has it's pay offs. JUST read, then JUST fold — that's my take-away learned from experience.
I think we're taught in the USA to be productive at all costs and we are not taught so much (unless we were lucky to have parents who marched to a different drum) to take some pleasure where pleasure can be had now and then during the day — take a brown bag lunch into the park instead of eating at ones desk & working at the same time — take time to say hello walking down the hall — when managing a project, focus more on the people on the team and less on the outcome (surprisingly, the outcome will likely improve).
I also think that a title like "Toss Out Productivity" is intended to grab certain readers by the short hairs — like workaholic execs who can't imagine doing such a thing. These are the people who are trapped in a mindset of always being productive. They likely see the alternative to productivity as failure.
Being a mom of children in huge transition, juggling life in a shelter, is a whole different story. I'll bet you focus on one thing at a time most of the time, and productivity is not your conscious goal. I'll bet your conscious goals are far different and far more grounded in the "now" than any fist-pounding, executive who behaves like a slave driver toward his employees for the sake of productivity.
Good luck to you, Angela!
Best regards,
~Anthea
Posted by Anthea on October 8, 2011 at 4:48 pm | permalink |
Thanks Anthea for your thoughtful reply. I see your points and am going to revisit Leos post with new perspective.
Posted by Miss Angela Solo on October 10, 2011 at 4:58 am | permalink |
I think there's no one way to be minimalist. What worked for Leo may not work for us. Just as I won't throw away my kids' stuff (if I have kids) because I feel that while I want to be more minimalist–I still need to respect other people's stuff.
For now, I can't see how minimalism can be boring. If I determined what's important to me, and what I'm passionate about and eliminate the clutter that takes up most of my time and energy, then I can focus more time to do what I need to do.
It's easy to assume how boring minimalism is if you look at someone else's life. What's important to him may not be important to you.
Posted by Rae on November 8, 2011 at 7:59 pm | permalink |
I do have to say that one can be a minimalist living in a larger city, and most definitely one can be a minimalist if they are a Bachelor. It seems that you have a number of other issues that come to light that have nothing to do with minimalism, and I feel you are taking these out on someone who has dedicated themselves to living their life the way they are most comfortable doing so.
Living in a larger city and being a minimalist do not conflict whatsoever… Minimalism isn't about having nothing and being boring, it's about living on only what you need. This doesn't mean wants are out of the picture, it means that whatever you own has a purpose and is not just random junk lying around. I have plenty of things that most people would call a luxury, yet they are all used on a regular basis and contribute to my life as a whole.
As for being a Bachelor and using sex to accumulate possessions, I think that is a horrible sexist thing to say. If anything, as a single male I spend way more on the women that I date than I do on myself. They aren't buying things for me- I don't look at relationships as a financial gain or loss. The fact that you do says that perhaps you should reevaluate yourself and your own relationships before commenting on others.
Posted by Nineoclocknews on November 11, 2011 at 3:33 pm | permalink |
Lady, the story of your life is a tale of two words: You suck.
Posted by HowitzerSoul on November 28, 2011 at 2:25 pm | permalink |
Throwing out books and toys? And adding to landfills? And as far as throwing out or giving away or reselling books in order to "minimalize," probably a good idea–most books are entertainment, fluff, escape, or offer very basic advice and don't need to really be even be read, they can be skimmed, scanned, sped-read. Why even bother to buy them in the first place? Why not minimize by perusing them first at a bookstore or online and only buy books that deserve to be read, that are so wise and profound that they will hold up after several readings? Why not buy a TV and get infotainment that way? A small TV takes up less space on a shelf. One TV versus many disposable books and the deforestation, et cetera. . . . Where does it all end? I only buy books that (in all likelihood) I plan to read and re-read and mark up and annotate and refer to again and again, & cetera.
And I'm not much of a fan of Leo's site; it's all one-sided, you can't leave comments, unless you start your own blog and comment on his stuff there.
Posted by John on December 18, 2011 at 6:29 pm | permalink |
Why even pretend this self-indulgent rant was supposed to be anything to do with Leo B's book, as you couldn't be bothered to discuss it, rather he was simply a handy springboard for your own ego to leap from. You are basically rude. I'm not at all suprised that 'the farmer' as you describe your (I assume) partner lived a remote detatched life before you met him. You sound like a self-important pain in the backside who would need to hook up with someone who didn't know any better. I suspect you never shut up. This 'article' wasn't about minimilism, or Mr Babauta; it was about you. And you are obviously a man-hating bitter woman with a chip on your shoulder who would be an utter nightmare to live with. Good luck to the farmer.
Posted by andrew on December 20, 2011 at 7:42 am | permalink |
I moved to Guam from the mainland because I wanted to live a minimalist lifestyle, and I found it on this island. The simplicity of living on this tiny is like the difference between night and day on the mainland. I heard that Leo Babauta, the author of "Zen Habit," moved from Guam to San Francisco because he felt life on Guam was very limiting for himself and his family. This reasoning sounds like it's going against his belief and practice of living the Zen life, or more specifically, the minimalist lifestyle. Now I don't know anything about this new minimalist book, "The Selby is in Your Place," and probably could care less. The book is probably telling its readers what it wants to see, with carefully chosen words and examples, of how to live the minimalist lifestyle in order to sound convincing. Yet, the author, just like Leo Baubata, is pursuing the same material opportunities, like fame and fortune, as the rest of world's population.
Posted by julius on December 25, 2011 at 8:44 am | permalink |
I think we do need minimalism but I think of it in practical rather than idealistic terms. To me minimalism is about getting in touch with the necessary and getting rid of the rest.
A lot of stuff and distractions are not necessary. Intellectual stimulation and diversity are. When you get rid of the unnecessary you free yourself for exceptional attention to the present and therefore to doing exceptional work. I think it is worth it.
Posted by Maria on December 29, 2011 at 6:06 am | permalink |
Penelope; I truly appreciate your post!
I've been a ZenHabits reader since before it was popular. Leo challenges me to challenge myself and I like that!
I also pay the $20 a month for the AList membership and feel I receive FAR more value than I pay per month.
In truth, Leo himself doesn't make an appearance in AList often.
Regardless, it's the relationships with others and generosity of information poured into it on an ongoing basis (by Leo, Mary, and others) that allow me to glean what is necessary and timely for the natural wellness events/etc. I produce.
I too, went from begin a city-girl (West Coaster) to a country girl. After three years of feeling completely out of my element, I now appreciate a quality of life that I can no longer imagine living without.
I think what I love about your post is that it allowed me to secretly say to myself, "Aha! I KNEW it was okay to keep that book!!"
In the past two-ish years my husband and I have been on a journey to minimize (not necessarily become minimalists).
In this time we have sold or given away:
1. What seems to have been "two" housefuls of "this and thats." I never dreamed we had that much to get rid of!
2. Literal MOUNTAINS of books. After years of being an editor, writing, homeschooling, and being an avid reader, I had accumulated a ridiculous amount of books.
I used to joke and say, "Would you give away an old friend?" â¦. "No? Then how could you EVER consider getting rid of a treasured book???!"
Besides I had "grand" ideas of participating in educating "grand"children, great grandchildren, great great grandchildren! ⦠Yes, I'm laughing at myself with you.
I'm happy to say I now have a "manageable" number of books and am actually looking forward to lightening the collection even more. (I've truly only "missed" a few of the many hundreds of books I gave away. It was worth it!!)
3. We even (ashamedly) took two long-bed trailers of yard "what!???" to the dump.
4. We also downsized our businesses, commitments, etc.
Like you, we now consume so little, that we have little need for a garbage collector. (Composting rocks!)
We absolutely love the freedom and clarity that comes with reducing possessions.
At the same time, I enjoy the warmth of walking into a room that has a couple of plants on the table, a pretty picture that has no "real" purpose, some books and magazines, a bowl of pretty rocks (or some other "treasure")⦠etc. ⦠VS a house that is stripped so severely you wonder if anyone actually lives there.
I visit minimalist sites often to keep my family "moving" toward simplicity (we have quite a ways to go). Though I'm not a packrat, I'm married to one. I also know that my natural tendency is to needlessly complicate (which often requires more "stuff" than truly needed to accomplish a project, etc).
I appreciate the value in seeing others who minimize to the extreme. I figure if I can even accomplish 1/8th of what they have, I'll at least know exactly what to grab in case of fire (because our true valuables will be easily accessible). ⦠Laughing at myself again!
Seriously though, I don't want to get so caught up in "deleting" that I forget my "expression" can sometimes even be found in the plant I choose for the entrance of my home (for instance). Likewise the same is true when I visit a friend. In my eyes, this is valuable.
Thank you for a post that basically says, "That's just fine!"
Posted by Antoniette on January 10, 2012 at 4:08 pm | permalink |
Too few minimalist commenters…
Posted by Brianlmerritt on January 17, 2012 at 12:55 am | permalink |
a homeless person is the maximium of minimalist.I know.
Posted by James Hicks on January 17, 2012 at 5:40 pm | permalink |
A HOMELESS PERSON IS THE EXTREME OF MINIMALIST.
I LIVED ON THE STREETS FOR 3 YEARS, NO SOCKS, NO UNDERWEAR,NO TRANSPORTATION,ONE PAIR OF BLUEJEANS,ONE SHIRT.NO HAIRCUTS,NO TOOTH PASTE.PUBLIC TOILETS,
36 YEARS LATER I NOW LIVE IN A 4000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE,TWO CARS,PLENTY OF MONEY,RETIRED
MORE IS BETTER,
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The comment about single men is very narrow-minded point of view. As I downsized d/t a divorce and educating myself on buddhism I learned that there is a better way to live. As a nurse there are certain things I cannot mini Alize. However this shldnt discredit anyone. Step down from ur horse
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