The most common criticism of my blog (which has 60,000 subscribers) is that I write controversial headlines just to get traffic. I usually ignore this criticism because it's so ignorant. But today I'm going to tell you why writing controversial headlines just to be controversial is totally stupid.
There is no formula for a wildly popular post.
Look, if I knew how to write a controversial headline that would get a ton of traffic then I'd be writing them every day. But really I'd be retired, living in Bermuda, not even writing headlines.
The most successful posts are posts that people email to their friends. Every day, whatever number of subscribers a blog has, that's how many people read the blog post. The only way you get more readers is if people start telling their friends about the post.
So, let's do a case study. Here's the most grabbing headline I can think of: "Martians Take over Google and do Forced Abortions." It hits on a popular tech company, a popular political topic, and it caters to the freak-show fringe that spends all day online commenting about supernatural events. But you know what? A post with this headline would fail. Because the content can't support it, so no one would forward it to their friends.
The John Tierney, writing in the New York Times, reports a study about what online content people forward to their friends. The stuff people forward is stuff that inspires them. People like to be inspired to think in new, positive ways that help them to sort out their life and see things differently. People want to better understand themselves and the world around them. Successful posts do this.
It's difficult to do. The first thing is that you need to really say something, beyond a headline. The second thing is that you need to say something the person hasn't heard before. In general, if you are saying something someone has not heard before, it's going to be controversial. Because it's new.
So here's a test I do for myself: If I am not a little nervous to post what I'm writing, then I'm probably not saying anything new. It's fun to be nervous. It's fun to be maybe wrong. That is not being controversial. That is being engaged and curious and committed to conversation to the point that you'll put yourself on the line. That's the gift a good blogger gives to readers, and that's what makes a good post appear to be controversial.
But here's something to consider: The most controversial thing a blogger could do, really, is post something that the reader already knows. Because it's a total waste of time for the reader. Also, it's controversial for the writer to be so dishonest with herself that she is willing to sit in a room and type stuff that is not even interesting to her. If the content does not scare the author, it's just plain boring.
You can say that I just post stuff to be controversial. But you try it. Try to think of a topic that is genuinely controversial, that you can write about in a way that makes people want to forward it to their friends.
It's very, very hard. And when I am able to do it, I am shocked. I try every day, but I succeed in a big way only about 10% of the time.
Hey, did you notice the title of my post? Did you know that I get 1000 readers a day from people typing in "Tim Ferriss Scam" and getting sent to my blog? Here's the post: 5 Time Management Tricks I Learned From Years of Hating Tim Ferriss.
He just came out with a new book. It's just as slimy as the first book. The reason is that Tim has no soul. He thinks life is a game, and he is going to be the winner every time, and we want to know how to do it.
The problem is that Tim makes the rules. He's like a four-year-old playing Candyland and making sure that he gets the Gingerbread man, and the candy cane, and the sort-of-melty ice cream at the end.
So for the Four-Hour-Work-Week the rule is that it's only work if you hate what you're doing. So Tim only does stuff he hates four hours a week. He can do this because he has no relationships, so he doesn't have to accommodate anyone else in his life. It's amazing, actually, that he even has to "work" for four hours given that he runs his life like a four-year-old.
Now, with the diet book, Tim tells us how we can take out all the emotional and mental health benefits of fitness and understanding your own body. But look. I have a better plan. You can get plastic surgery, and you can take Creatine, and you can use diuretics, and you will get the physical fitness results Tim promises in LESS than four hours a week. I should write a book.
But you know why I am not doing that? Because you want to be inspired. And so do I. If I spend four hours a week at the gym, I want to know how it improves what I really care about: my mental health, my personal relationships, my ability to feel inspired on a daily basis.
But, do you know the most inspired part of this post? My headline is not controversial, but I'll get a lot of traffic, because I rank almost as high in Google for Tim Ferriss as Tim Ferriss does.




I don't really know why, but I just love this post.
Posted by Joe Fusco on December 27, 2010 at 8:16 am | permalink |
Have you read the 4-hour-body book?
Posted by Stef on December 27, 2010 at 8:28 am | permalink |
Yeah, I have the book right here, actually. So I want to tell you that the most heartbreaking chapter is the one about sex. This chapter embodies everything that bugs me about Tim.
First, chapter assumes that all a woman wants is to have an orgasm. And that, therefore, we should all take bedroom lessons from Tim Ferriss.
I mean, look, I can hire a guy to give me an orgasm the way Tim is talking about. So on that level, the book is insulting because it assumes that I am not resourceful enough to earn the money and find the guy to hire — that I actually have to train a newbie instead of hiring a pro.
Second, I'd way rather have a guy who loves me and is good to me and honest and connected and not the king of giving me orgasms. I assumed it was common knowledge that women would rather be with a guy who is intimate and sweet and cares about her deeply than a whiz kid in bed.
And here is the money quote for why Tim treats winning in the bedroom like winning at kickboxing: "I was able to facilitate orgasms in every woman who acted as a test subject." Note to Tim: Who cares? Life is not a contest. Women are not rats in your self-absorbed life experiment.
Also, side note to those who are taking Tim's sex advice seriously: I am pretty sure that most women would rather the guy goes down on her, and loves it, and makes her feel comfortable being so vulnerable than that he gives her an orgasm. Because going down on a woman is so intimate, and selfless and caring. So maybe Tim should write a book where he goes down on 100 women for four hours a week each. It could be called Sexual Intimacy for Four-Hours A Week.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on December 27, 2010 at 9:47 am | permalink |
Extremely entertaining post Penelope!
You are clearly not part of his "target audience" Penelope.
Think about the number of "guys who are intimate, sweet and cares about women deeply" who would love to learn how to give women orgasms as well! And think about all the women who will love them even more!
Tim Ferris is awesome… And i think you're pretty cool too! Keep going!
Posted by Pratik Stephen on December 28, 2010 at 9:33 am | permalink |
Hey there, I can see your argument and you provide valid points of criticism. I just wanted to offer a 28 year old guys perspective and mention that I got value from the book within a day of getting it.
I admit I like the ideas that Tim proposes on his blog and in his 4hww book, so I preordered this new book. When I got it I opened it up randomly in the middle and read a few pages which happened to be that first chapter about sex. By coincidence, I am dating a new girl and while our foreplay has been amazing, I wasn't able to bring her to orgasm via penetration in about 6 times of having sex. Neither of us had trouble with that in our previous relationships.
The tips Tim suggested proved effective on our very next sexual encounter. I was able to bring her to orgasm via penetration by using the 'improved missionary position' advice. Maybe that's common sense stuff to most people or maybe not.
I haven't had a chance to read more of the book yet, but I'm definitely happy with my purchase so far and looking forward to more intriguing advice.
I was disappointed that there wasn't more information geared to women about guys and sex.
I'm not a plant by Tim, but I'm sure it seems that way from the anonymous reply and glowing comments about the book.
Posted by kd on December 30, 2010 at 4:28 pm | permalink |
But think how much time is saved if a guy is free to do other things while giving his girlfriend an orgasm by just using one finger!! He could be doing other things with his free hand at the same time, like, I don't know, read a newspaper, polish silverware, etc.
Posted by ioana on December 31, 2010 at 5:51 am | permalink |
I'm a huge TF fan but I have to agree with some of your points, especially in the orgasm chapter. I wrote about it more here: http://blog.monicaobrien.com/review-of-the-4-hour-body-plus-get-your-own-signed-copy/
I disagree a bit with the actual post: I think TF does have lots of strong relationships while also being successful at all this experimenting. What he doesn't have is the wife and kids or even the serious girlfriend (though he says he's had them before), and he doesn't seem to provide any advice for when you actually share your day-to-day life with someone else, probably because this isn't a factor for him. But having these more intimate relationships introduces challenges that TF doesn't address in The 4-Hour Body, which leaves the rest of us having to fill in the blanks for how to implement if we are not a single male 20-something who works from home.
Posted by Monica O'Brien on December 31, 2010 at 2:00 pm | permalink |
I was interested in doing a review (most likely positive) for the 4 Hour Body to be posted on my health website. As someone working towards become a CPT, the ideas Tim would be writing about intrigued me. After I skimmed through the 4 Hour Body at the bookstore, I decided I wouldn't waste my time reading the book.
After reading what Tim had to say about Women seriously disgusted me. I'm no "feminist" by any means, and used to think I was a "fan" of Tim and his work. Not anymore.
I will not support Tim in his endeavors. I have no respect for him as a fellow entrepreneur, and refuse to waste my time with his health "advice".
Thank you for showing Tim in his true light. He isn't as great as we all used to think he is.
-Holly
Posted by Holly on January 3, 2011 at 4:19 pm | permalink |
Hey Penelope, I've got a pretty strong love-hate thing going with you from reading your blog. I was recommending it to lots of people until one particular post months which almost killed me and I stopped visiting all together…but I think this comment of yours has reeled me back in! Spot on!
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Posted by John P Morgan on January 14, 2011 at 5:38 am | permalink |
People say you write controversial headlines to drive traffic because sometimes the headline conveys something way more inflammatory than the post does. When the headline doesn't accurately reflect the message of the post, of course it looks that way.
I can't tell if you're being disingenuous in denying this, or if you really don't see it, but I have to think it's the former because you're a smart person.
(I will also add that I think you say inflammatory things over at BNET to drive traffic there too. Either that or you really don't get that one experience that happened to you doesn't mean that that's a good way for everyone to operate, but again, I think you're too smart not to realize that you can't always extrapolate like that.)
Posted by A. on December 27, 2010 at 8:37 am | permalink |
Agree with everything said in this comment. So I gather that the purpose of this post + headline was to… was to… eh… I guess I'm not so sure.
What it seems like is this:
-Write a headline that will attract visitors actually looking for a writeup on the book
-Receive bump in traffic
-Use new visitors as an opportunity to bash this guy
-Tie it all together under the guise of writing a headline that isn't "controversial" while still providing "valuable content"
Like this commenter points out, you seem like an intelligent person so my thought is that you know exactly what you are doing and, in a sense, I respect you for being so good at it.
While I am certainly not comparing you to her, I believe the concept is very similar to what someone like Ann Coulter does. I don't think she believes the vile, nasty things that she says (and I'm not saying you are vile or nasty)… but she knows that by being controversial she can drive book sales, get more paid tv appearances, etc.
So you know that when you write that we "should act black on Twitter", I now doubt that you actually believe that, or are at least smart enough to know that you shouldn't say something like that… you just want to incite a discussion in order to bring in traffic.
Well played, I guess.
Posted by Jason Arican on December 27, 2010 at 11:04 am | permalink |
(like) button!
Posted by Taryn on December 27, 2010 at 8:39 am | permalink |
Hilarious. Have read Tim's blog and got the 'slimy' vibe from it. When he's not being an asshole, he's admiring people who are assholes.
Afterwards, I had a poorer opinion of books that made the New York Times Bestseller list. It's not an indicator of quality.
Posted by Kablaam on December 27, 2010 at 8:40 am | permalink |
"Afterwards, I had a poorer opinion of books that made the New York Times Bestseller list. It's not an indicator of quality."
I wish everybody could realize this. Of course then the Times bestseller list wouldn't be a list of bestsellers.
Posted by Dan @ Casual Kitchen on December 28, 2010 at 7:44 am | permalink |
You go girl. Your stuff gets forwarded because it IS inspiring, and useful, and real.
Posted by Marni on December 27, 2010 at 8:49 am | permalink |
I always visit your site first for something inspirational and you never disappoint. That is why yours is my favorite blog. If your headlines seem off-topic to draw people in, at least you have real content in the post so people won't leave disappointed.
Posted by Chickybeth on December 27, 2010 at 8:50 am | permalink |
Fairly soon you'll be ranking in the top 2 for 'tim ferriss' diet on Google. Brilliant. Your hatred for this man is comical in that it is obsessive, very public, and spot on. I still think Tim must have screwed you over somehow in a way that you're not letting on to yet. When we get the whole story, that post will be EPIC.
Posted by Stephen on December 27, 2010 at 8:54 am | permalink |
He screwed her over by doing what she does, only more successfully. And at a younger age. Who doesn't hate that?
Posted by Brad on December 27, 2010 at 9:16 am | permalink |
Amen and Amen. Spot on.
Posted by Deborah on December 27, 2010 at 8:57 am | permalink |
Your blog is what the internet is supposed to be about. It pokes us in the eye.
Sure, some people get bent out of shape about being poked in the eye. But really, deep down, what are they really getting angry about? Is it something inside themselves? Nobody's making them read it. Is it some kind of twisted compulsion thing?
This reminds me of Wikileaks.
Posted by Nancy on December 27, 2010 at 8:58 am | permalink |
No matter what the headline, I have always found that you push me to think about different topics, or ordinary topics in new ways. And I like how real you are– I feel like I can totally trust you. Personally, it's the soccer moms I don't trust, the ones who have those special cupcake carrying cases so the icing stays perfect for the bake sale. To me, that is really totally unrealistic, especially when you're marketing to elementary schoolers. And speaking of diets vs. surgery: my mom used to joke about keeping a plastic surgery fund for me growing up, and now I joke about it too, only it's less of a joke and more of a possibility. But I would still go to the gym, because hey! a girl has to socialize!
Posted by Harriet May on December 27, 2010 at 9:06 am | permalink |
I adore you! You are one of the funniest, most brilliant women I have ever read! You inspire me to be a better writer, coach, and stand up comic! I don't like Tim either….
Posted by Elaine on December 27, 2010 at 9:12 am | permalink |
@Harriet May – I laughed out loud when I read "special cupcake carrying cases so the icing stays perfect for the bake sale." What a wonderful descriptor for the Perfect Mom. When my kids were little I hated those moms as much as Penelope hates Tim Ferriss. They tried so hard to make the rest of us look bad.
Posted by Jean Gogolin on December 27, 2010 at 9:22 am | permalink |
I think by the sounds of it Tim Ferriss is trying to write books on how to get those "special cupcake carrying cases" in life. Sounds like he's the working person's Perfect Mom, you know?
Posted by Harriet May on December 27, 2010 at 1:17 pm | permalink |
Gosh, I got one of those cupcake things for Christmas…if I use it, does it mean I'm secretly trying to make you look bad? Or secretly trying to keep the frosting on top of my cupcakes?
Posted by Meg on December 28, 2010 at 1:26 am | permalink |
@Stephen- If I recall correctly, the origin of the TF hate was T dissing Penelope at SXSW IA a few years back to have coffee with more "important" folks, after double or triple booking coffee dates for that hour. Basically, he showed his colors early and personally.
OR I could have made that story up in my head.
Either way, I 110 percent agree about the rather despicale nature of the man- someone who wins by figuring out which rules will get others disqualified and exploiting them is no winner in my book. ( his kickboxing and tango titles.)
Nicely done, Penelope, and please, surpass him in his own Google rankings soon. There would be no more comical revenge.
Posted by Lindsay Maines on December 27, 2010 at 9:29 am | permalink |
Penelope – I enjoy your blog but I also think your scathing criticism of Tim Ferriss is one-sided and unfair. I just read 4-hour Body and I find it to have some wonderful insightful tips on exercise, health and other things. Tim may be a little self-centered but that doesn't mean everything he says should be discarded. Honestly, your constant critique of him seems more about envy than genuine concern Tim is leading people astray…
Posted by Dave on December 27, 2010 at 9:30 am | permalink |
Saying Tim Ferris is a "little self-centered" is like saying the Pope is a little Catholic. The guy has a serious narcissistic personality disorder.
Tim represents everything that I find loathsome about the shallowness and downright ignorance of so many Americans now. His books are sophomoric and misleading. I'm sure Tim spends a LOT more than 4 hours a week just promoting himself (at which, I admit, he is a master).
I wrote a scathing review of his latest book for Amazon and have received some criticism about it from Tim Lovers (Dupes?). Glad to see that Penelope feels the same way.
Posted by Eric on March 27, 2011 at 6:48 pm | permalink |
a little?
Posted by jtw on November 19, 2011 at 10:50 am | permalink |
LOL! Tim Ferriss must hate you.
Posted by Tina Portis on December 27, 2010 at 9:32 am | permalink |
Nah, he probably sees this as great free publicity….though this post made me laugh harder than anything has in a few days.
Posted by MJ on December 27, 2010 at 11:17 am | permalink |
I have to admit that I first discovered your blog a couple of years ago because of a blog you wrote about Tim Ferriss. I think it had to do with him being a liar. At any rate, I continued to read because I really like your writing style, even though I often do not see things as you do. I also have really appreciated the insight into Asperger's that I have gained. I'll continue reading, and forwarding from time to time, as long as you are writing. Thanks!
Posted by VelDean on December 27, 2010 at 9:34 am | permalink |
Totally agree with you on Tim F. Ridiculous and even worse, so many readers!
Posted by Tanya on December 27, 2010 at 9:40 am | permalink |
I love the idea that if you aren't posting something that makes you nervous, you aren't really posting something that engages your readers. This is something that I need to strive for in my own writing. Thanks!
Posted by Jake on December 27, 2010 at 10:01 am | permalink |
I like the idea of being a little nervous about your posts. I do find that I get more comments on my blog when I really put myself out there. It is a fine line though. How much to reveal etc.
My blog is mainly about my adventures in jewelry making but I don't always want to talk about that. Sometimes I post about personal things. Or the birds that come to my bird feeder. Variety is also key I think.
Posted by Roberta Warshaw on December 27, 2010 at 10:02 am | permalink |
this is exactly what you do for me:
"The stuff people forward is stuff that inspires them. People like to be inspired to think in new, positive ways that help them to sort out their life and see things differently. People want to better understand themselves and the world around them. Successful posts do this."
Posted by dana on December 27, 2010 at 10:21 am | permalink |
Just did a google search on "Tim Ferriss", you should be able to try this yourself. First three results are http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/, the Wikipedia entry, and http://www.timferriss.com.
All the way at the bottom of the first page, under "News for 'Tim Ferriss'" there is a link to this post.
Did something change, or are you using a loose definition of "almost"?
Posted by Jens Fiederer on December 27, 2010 at 10:26 am | permalink |
Here's something interesting: Google "Tim Ferriss Scam" and look at what he did to outrank me for that term. I have to admit that it's actually an example of Tim Ferriss being a marketing genius.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on December 27, 2010 at 10:45 am | permalink |
Cute! Of course, he MUST have an advantage of sorts when it comes to matters involving his own name.
Posted by Jens Fiederer on December 27, 2010 at 10:50 am | permalink |
A few points:
1. Your ad hominems makes it hard to take you seriously. "Tim Ferris has no soul." What does that mean? How does that matter? How is it relevant to your point?
2. What is wrong with making your own rules? The world is full of people making rules for you. If you can gain fulfillment and accomplish goals by defining some of your own rules, then what's wrong with that? Also, it's pretty hypocritical for you to complain about that. I've read your blog for years, and you make your own rules all the time.
Posted by T on December 27, 2010 at 10:28 am | permalink |
Making up your own rules, and asking others to play by the rules you've made up for yourself are two different things.
Posted by Sean on December 27, 2010 at 10:50 am | permalink |
My god but I do appreciate your intelligence.
Posted by Lisa on December 27, 2010 at 10:33 am | permalink |
Penny,
The guy is doing what everyone else does to make a buck. Thanks for pointing out that it's not okay to do so using deception or other unethical methods.
Posted by Dale on December 27, 2010 at 10:36 am | permalink |
"So maybe Tim should write a book where he goes down on 100 women for four hours a week each. It could be called Sexual Intimacy for Four-Hours A Week."
Utterly hysterical. At one point, I disliked your blog for no good (or specific) reason. OK, maybe that's a lie. I think it was because I found some of your headlines sensational, or, honest, controversial. Now I get it, and I love it. And you. Thanks.
Posted by kc on December 27, 2010 at 10:49 am | permalink |
Who the hell is Tim Ferris? And who cares?
Posted by Steve C on December 27, 2010 at 10:49 am | permalink |
Hi Penelope. I enjoy your blog every posting.You remind me of a combination of me, my Asperger's ex-husband and my ADD current husband
I dislike Tim Ferris also. for the same reason. I think he's a cheat too; he knows how to game every system for 'the win', but not for the real experience. I have specific examples of which I know the facts of his, and the facts of the real experience. (And I think that begging the public to buy his book does not make you a real best-seller, it makes him a panderer).
Posted by L on December 27, 2010 at 11:28 am | permalink |
Thanks for that second comment about the sex chapter,
you've articulated everything that bugs me about the book.
Another thing that irritated me: He brags about how he's so busy that he can't cook, but instead of prioritizing cooking to promote a healthy relationship with food, he encourages canned food, prepackaged food, and Chipotle.
He somehow turned "being inept in the kitchen" into a wonderful thing we should all aspire towards.
Whatever.
Posted by Elizabeth Reid on December 27, 2010 at 11:34 am | permalink |
Penelope, your post scared the crap out of me. I got a slimy feeling from TF with about an ounce of information, but couldn't figure out why I was feeling that way. Not interested in investing further to figure out why, but your validation made me laugh. Thx as always for a provocative view.
Posted by marmar on December 27, 2010 at 11:43 am | permalink |
Am I imagining things or did you change the headline for your last post from something about the worst gift-giving ideas to gift-giving that will help your career? The link on how to cheat at Candyland is hilarious, by the way.
Posted by Margaret Goerig on December 27, 2010 at 11:54 am | permalink |
Yeah. I changed it. I couldn't stand how negative the title was. And anyway, in hindsight, it wasn't such a bad list of gifts.
I should point out, though, that changing the title of a blog post four days after I post is SEO death, but sometimes I do it anyway, (which is another reason I'll never be as great at online marketing as Tim Ferriss.)
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on December 27, 2010 at 3:12 pm | permalink |
When you write that you get 1000 visitors per day from "Tim Ferriss scam" perhaps you meant 1000 visitors per month?
Tim Ferriss content not withstanding, the primary source for new traffic to many websites doesn't come from sharing via email, but Facebook, Google, and the Twitter.
Obviously, anyone can write content with keywords in it, but it takes a special writer or article to attract inbound links.
Posted by Greg on December 27, 2010 at 12:53 pm | permalink |
I did mean 1000 per day. I get about 500,000 visits per month.
Clarifying: I think of facebook and twitter as two other ways, albeit bigger than email, to share a post with friends. So I think they fall under the same NYT study.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on December 27, 2010 at 3:14 pm | permalink |
According to compete.com, your site actually received less than 150k visitors in the month of November. So, needless to say, I find it hard to believe you receive 1000 visits a day from "Tim Ferriss scam". Especially since the term only receives 1900 monthly searches, according to Google's keyword tool.
Posted by Jason on December 27, 2010 at 10:34 pm | permalink |
Compete and the google keyword tool can be wrong. A site of mine recieves 60k uniques/month and has done so for four years. Compete claims it to be 6k in november.
I have been number 1 for a keyword the tool claimed recieved 30k uniques a month. I was recieving a 1000 at most.
Posted by Nick on December 28, 2010 at 8:00 am | permalink |
Penelope,
I think your blog is awesome and I have no doubt about the massive deluge of traffic that your blog receives. Your writing is wonderful, and you are a masterful story teller.
It's just that Tim isn't nearly popular enough that more than 1000 people type "Time Farriss Scam" into Google every single day.
While "Compete" is a piece of crap, Google adwords keyword tool isn't bad. The numbers can be wildly off, and it doesn't tell you how much traffic a listing is worth, but Google says there are 1,900 searches for "Tim Ferriss Scam" per month. I've known the tool to be off, but off by a factor of 30? I just assume Tim isn't nearly that popular.
Posted by Greg on December 29, 2010 at 10:17 pm | permalink |
I read your blog because you make me think about things that I wouldn't have thought about otherwise, or else you make me think about things differently. I don't always agree with what you write, but, funnily enough, it's those posts that often make a bigger impact than the ones that I do agree with, if only because I want to argue back.
So long as your headline matches at least part of your post, I don't give a toss what you use as a headline. Bottom line: nobody reads blogs for headlines, they read them for the content.
Posted by Sarah on December 27, 2010 at 12:53 pm | permalink |
What threads are common in your most popular posts, Penelope? Would writing about more of those subjects lead to greater pass-along and readership?
I found by accident that the best way to drive traffic to my blog is to write a post that refutes something you wrote about. I did that a couple weeks ago and got more page views in two days than I normally get in two months!
Posted by jim on December 27, 2010 at 1:15 pm | permalink |
Just found your site and LOVE it, we need more opposing voices in the blogosphere. You have a new subscriber.
Posted by Ayngelina on December 27, 2010 at 1:16 pm | permalink |
Penelope, who cares about controversy or Tim Ferris? I don't. I just want to read about you and your thoughts. Today's post was useless. It has no pictures of your life. It is not inspiring. I can't forward it to friends. It is just stuck there and I am wondering why you even wrote it. Give us more Penelope. Give us more pictures. Give us inspiration.
Posted by Socorro Luna on December 27, 2010 at 1:30 pm | permalink |
Socorro, I'm sorry that you didn't like the post. But maybe I can redeem myself in your eyes by posting a photo of my kitchen in response to your comment.
And, appropos of the New Year, the photo includes my top-level to-do list for my life:
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on December 27, 2010 at 3:33 pm | permalink |
Oh, I am so in love with your kitchen! You wrote so much about it and making it Steampunk and then left us in the dark.
Posted by Harriet May on December 27, 2010 at 4:03 pm | permalink |
Hi Penelope,
How are you doing with number 2 on your goals list?
–Jim
Posted by Jim on December 27, 2010 at 8:49 pm | permalink |
Awesome post, Penelope. I thought Tim rubbed me the wrong way, but I wasn't quite sure why — you absolutely nailed it!
And btw, I love the fridge … although I'm not sure the wife will buy off on the idea.
Best to you,
Scott
Posted by Scott @ Work From Home Ideas on December 28, 2010 at 11:56 am | permalink |
I've always found that the posts I'm most hesitant to write and the most scared to push publish on are the ones people love! Controversial headline or not, those are ones people relate to and pass along. Those are the ones that drive in the traffic. Of course, making sure your blog is SEO certainty helps.
People don't necessarily need to be inspired. But they do need you to be real…and raw doesn't hurt either.
Posted by David on December 27, 2010 at 2:28 pm | permalink |
HHAHAHAHA omg this post is terrible, im crying of laughter.. wow, the internet has just revealed another idiot blogger. I apologize but this is why blogs should be regulated otherwise people can make claims so ridiculous.
on another note… everyone i know has told me check out this site cuz it's so bad, but i never made the effort till now. You've got a new subscriber. I cant wait to read more garbage in the future!
Posted by alex on December 27, 2010 at 2:58 pm | permalink |
You're subscribing because you hate the content? Oh, dear. Perhaps with all that extra reading you might pick up on how to use capitalized letters at the beginning of sentences, at least.
Posted by Harriet May on December 27, 2010 at 4:06 pm | permalink |
omg it gets better… of course you'd go to marriage counseling and get a divorce…. i cant imagine how anyone could stand you for more than a few minutes of entertainment hahahaha
Posted by alex on December 27, 2010 at 3:04 pm | permalink |
You get almost 8% of your page views from people searching for Tim Ferriss Scam?
You should write articles about Steve Pavlina Scam, and another about Barack Obama Scam, and really start racking in the page views
Posted by alex on December 27, 2010 at 4:14 pm | permalink |
Penelope, I expected a better thought-out argument against Tim's new book than "I want to be inspired and this doesn't do it for me."
Guess what? A lot of people, like myself, think the type of experimenting he does is inspiring. It's inspiring to see that conventional advice may not be the best advice. It's inspiring to try a new way of doing things. Let me give you an example: I've had mid-back problems for over a year. I've read articles on what to do and tried the advice, I've gone to my doctor, I've tried a massaging chair, and my back wasn't getting better very fast. I try the stretches he references and suddenly my back is causing me less pain within a day.
If that doesn't get me excited, what should?
No, his books aren't the greatest books on the planet, but his way of thinking IS interesting and it does inspire some people. It may not do it for you, but this post doesn't exactly paint you in a good light.
Besides, eventually inspiration is nothing short of a cheap fix. You can inspire people all day, but at what point are you just saying "Let's sit in a circle and read 'The Secret' and sip tea and sing happy songs!" with just inspiration? Where's the substance, the know-how? Where are the things to try, the ideas to tinker with?
I thought being able to do something new, or better, or amazing, was pretty cool at one point.
Instead of ripping someone else, why don't you talk about how much of a joke it is that you demand six-figure salaries to work? That's more than double the average American family. You don't like the way he views the world, and I think a lot of people probably don't like the princess attitude you have on being paid that much as a mother.
I get it, though – you were nervous posting this. Probably because you still had your tiara and "Miss Aspergers America" sash on. You realized it might not go over well. And you ruined your post by going after someone you think is sleazy in a sleazy way, in the process stepping on your own toes by thinking somehow you're better than him.
I hope it made you feel better. I do hope you stop writing this hypocritical drivel and stick to topics you have experience, knowledge, and a worthwhile opinion on.
Posted by Jonathan Vaudreuil on December 27, 2010 at 4:18 pm | permalink |
P- You mean there are people out there who actually buy this kind of advice? Really?
Posted by MH Williams on December 27, 2010 at 4:31 pm | permalink |
Yes MH Williams, enough to make his book a NY Times best seller on the hardest list in the hardest week of the year:
http://www.nytimes.com/best-sellers-books/2011-01-02/hardcover-advice/list.html
something I'm sure this hater will never accomplish.
Posted by Jahed M on December 27, 2010 at 5:06 pm | permalink |
Hi Penelope. When I write a post that makes me nervous, it's the one that gets the least comments. I don't record stats to know if it's had a lot of hits, but the comments are always less. It may be because of the healing field I'm in. I've annoyed other healers in the past, but I don't have the time or energy for their insecurity. Thanks for another good post. Merry Christmas, Simon.
Posted by Simon Hay on December 27, 2010 at 9:34 pm | permalink |
Penelope,
As a longtime reader of both you and Tim Ferriss, I am confused by your intense and public dislike of him. You both write about maximizing efficiency in different areas of life, even if unconventional and perhaps offensive to some. For example, I find it interesting to know that to maximize happiness, I should not have children, I should work with people I like, and if I get sexually harassed at work, I should probably just roll with it and should definitely not report it. This information is interesting to me, and one of the reasons I continue reading your blog. Does it mean I will follow it to the letter 100% of the time? Not necessarily, since life isn't usually that simple. Similarly, I doubt that the only kind of sex Tim Ferriss has is the kind described in his 15-minute orgasm chapter, and it's a bit presumptuous to assume he doesn't also go down on women or have meaningful relationships and is therefore a shitty person. Or as you say, has no soul. His style occasionally rubs me the wrong way, but he doesn't come across to me as any bigger of a jackass than Ramit Sethi, who you have called a mentor and presumably like (I also read his blog and like his stuff even though I just called him a jackass, which would probably not offend him). When it comes down to it, I could say that Tim Ferriss is sometimes offensive, but he is also entertaining and often has useful information — which is the exact same thing I could say about you.
Posted by Sara on December 27, 2010 at 9:46 pm | permalink |
I typed "tim ferriss douche" into google, and your awesome blog came up. I'm glad I found it, but sad that I had to learn about TF in order to do so.
Posted by Sophia on December 27, 2010 at 10:47 pm | permalink |
"Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves." -Carl Jung
You don't seem like a stupid person, and I'm sure that you have some insightful things to say. Unfortunately, those insightful things were lacking from this post. The haterade is dripping all over the place.
You sound like a girl who got stood up by her date for the prom. You're so worked up about Tim Ferriss that you're no longer thinking logically when you write about him. Emotion takes over 100%
"Second, I'd way rather have a guy who loves me and is good to me and honest and connected and not the king of giving me orgasms. I assumed it was common knowledge that women would rather be with a guy who is intimate and sweet and cares about her deeply than a whiz kid in bed."
So in your world, it's either-or? The sweet caring guy can't try to improve himself and do something extra for his girl BECAUSE he cares about her deeply?
Of course not, because since you don't like Tim Ferriss, all of his motives must suck.
So finding shortcuts for things is sleazy? Tim's book about hacking your own body is bad because it's "cheating"? Who is it cheating? If Tim Ferriss found some shortcut that people could use to hack their own bodies and get rid of cancer, would that be sleazy too?
I won't bother going over all of the other logical fallacies. I think most people who aren't your biased loyal readers can see them clearly enough.
Posted by Brad on December 27, 2010 at 11:03 pm | permalink |
Excellent description of why posts are popular or not. And hard as hell to write good ones.
Posted by Tzipporah on December 27, 2010 at 11:56 pm | permalink |
You are the most fearless writer I know of, and that's why I read your blog. You inspire me to write from my heart AND mind, and that's why I read your blog. You don't write boring articles or predictable top 10 lists, and that's why I read your blog. So, keep writing and saying what you think, and keep listening and learning. I will if you will.
Posted by Meg on December 28, 2010 at 1:44 am | permalink |
I am reading the 4 hour body just now. Just came to the sex section and it is symptomatic for many very competitive people who see the world as interconnected systems. I actively choose to not question his motivation and values but pick what I found useful from his work without judging. There is actually some good information in there presented in an easy to read fashion.
Being offended is OK and a counterpoint is useful. Going for a vendetta based on personal feelings is a bit over the top, dont you think.
Personally I am using the work from Tim for inspiration and picking up what I find useful. Just like I do with everything else I read. Did the same thing with Mein Kampf btw.
Posted by Rolf on December 28, 2010 at 4:20 am | permalink |
I forgot to add something.. What Tim do is gather well known information and compile it with his personal twist. Then it is published. All his dietary advice was known to me from before through my Paoelo studies and competitive athletic background. Now this work methodology could be interpreted as a scam or as journalism. It is all in the mind of the reader how to view the world.
I dont expect original work from the rest of the 4 hour body, or the 4 hour workweek. But that is fine. I just want information and inspiration, not a feel-good experience
Posted by Rolf on December 28, 2010 at 4:27 am | permalink |
People read or click on controversial headlines for the same reason which they slow down to gawk at a traffic accident or watch TMZ. This is also the same reason we read Tim Ferriss's books too, as we all want something we don't have or see on a regular basis. Your (Penelope) posts are no different as who else on web mixes solid net savvy business advice with how to "go down" on a chick….
Posted by Joe Campbell on December 28, 2010 at 6:26 am | permalink |
I am a regular reader of both Penelope's and Tim's blogs. I take the good stuff and am smart enough to discard to bulls4it. History is littered with brilliant, inspirational characters who weren't very sympathetic.
We're all flawed beings, Penelope. Deal with it. I don't think anyone out there thinks he's Jesus. He's a marketer, for God's sake! We get it!
Posted by Phil on December 28, 2010 at 7:13 am | permalink |
Question: Could someone please enlighten me on The 15-Minute Female Orgasm? I've read the free chapter on it and I'm still not clear–is it a guarantee to get women to clitoral orgasm in less than 15 minutes or is it to give them an orgasm that lasts 15 minutes?
Posted by Kim Anami on December 28, 2010 at 12:14 pm | permalink |
First time reader and I gotta say that, though Penelope may make some valid points, she comes off as a bitter hypocritical hater. For example, she blasts Ferriss for scamming her into wasting time on him but then she goes and does the same thing with her blog posts. Okay, so Ferriss may be a jerk but that doesn't mean he doesn't have some interesting suggestions. I have no intention of taking ice baths to promote quality sleep but at least the guy is working hard at thinking outside the box to provide suggestions for solving common problems rather than tearing down the work of others.
I am not a fan of Tim Ferriss the person but within a few readings of his posts I've already gained a couple new ideas of how to change things up to improve my routines. Thats more than I can say after spending equal time on Penelope's site – maybe she should focus more on her own ideas than Ferriss's.
Posted by Matt on December 28, 2010 at 1:32 pm | permalink |
Penelope doesn't just write controversial headlines for traffic. The articles beneath them are deliberately provocative too.
Posted by John on December 28, 2010 at 1:44 pm | permalink |
Tim's book is shit because when you take shortcuts to fitness the rebound looks and feels like shit. (when you take shortcuts in LIFE, you pay for that.) That's the point, and what is offensive about people who disconnect from their bodies, their work weeks and their lives in order to function in the world instead of working to find a connection and a way to tune into their surroundings so that they might tap into the mind/body strength they possess already.
Tim's theory of "hacking" and "cheating" his way through life makes him a role model for sales people, sure. Marketers and sales people. The kind of people who used to draw circles in hotel banquet rooms and tell you that all you needed was "six people just like YOU!" because you deserve to RELAX and HAVE FUN with your time and not do ALL THIS WORK. Because LIFE SHOULD NOT BE HARD- it's like those diet people telling us that being healthy should not be hard, or work. Whatever.
Posted by Summer on December 28, 2010 at 2:15 pm | permalink |
I hope nobody mistakes me for a Ferriss-ee, but I will say what he talks about in his book isn't gimicky or "shortcuts" to fitness in the sense you're suggesting here, Summer. It's about diet and exercise, albeit tweaked, and I'm not sure what more 'connected' form of taking care of yourself you're suggesting would be preferable to that.
The sex chapters, on the other hand, are fully icky and worthless.
Posted by Dzanemorris on March 27, 2011 at 12:08 pm | permalink |
"If I spend four hours a week at the gym, I want to know how it improves what I really care about: my mental health, my personal relationships, my ability to feel inspired on a daily basis."
Well, I find it hard to take your criticism seriously when I consider previous posts in which you talk about other priorities you have, such as "Do whatever you require to lose weight", consider plastic surgery to remain attractive to the other sex, etc.
Posted by Chris M. on December 28, 2010 at 7:33 pm | permalink |
Your post actually makes me want to go check out Tim's site again–how's that for the dynamics of controversy? If you had written a positive post about some great inspiration to you–unlikely I'd click on it.
So I scanned the description of his book. What a joke. Increasingly, I find myself laughing at things that I assume are intended to be humor–but people actually take this stuff seriously? I hope he includes a chapter on how to effectively use the "Shake Weight" in an exercise routine.
Posted by Dave A on December 29, 2010 at 9:20 am | permalink |
Hilarious! I just downloaded a preview of his book and it's total garbage. I was hoping you'd comment on it. Does he pay people to write the positive reviews? They read like infomercials.
Posted by Jessi on December 29, 2010 at 11:05 am | permalink |
What is really the most obnoxious experience is when you get an unsolicited e-mail (a.k.a. spam) from a fan of Tim Ferris. They usually start off with, "I don't need anyone full time right now so I can't pay very much…". What, like I care?
Posted by geekette on December 29, 2010 at 11:31 pm | permalink |
This makes so much sense to me.
One of my most controversial posts this year was "Why Doesn't the Lingerie Industry Like Women of Color?" and I agonized for months over whether or not to write it.
It not only turned out to be my most popular post of the year, my readers want *more* like it.
I don't know the first thing about Tim Ferriss, but I'll keep in mind that if I'm not at least a little bit scared when I'm writing, I'm probably not writing good enough stuff.
Posted by Treacle on December 30, 2010 at 12:11 am | permalink |
It's interesting how the men and women line up on this one. Talk about self centered. You must have bee in Love with Tim at some point?
Posted by Lee on December 30, 2010 at 4:15 am | permalink |
I am not a huge Tim Ferriss fan, but I read his book and thought it had some very god concepts. I will say one thing though. In my 43 years on this planet, I have played by the rules, been a "team player", and been very loyal. This has not gotten me very far professionally. My father always said that "nice guys finish last." It is so cliche', but maybe cliche's are cliche's for a reason.
Posted by David Roberts on December 30, 2010 at 9:59 am | permalink |
Great Blog. Great Title. Great Idea. Thank you for the inspiration Penelope
Mike
Posted by Mike Turner on December 30, 2010 at 2:07 pm | permalink |
I like your style…..you made me look!
Posted by Kareem Simpson on December 30, 2010 at 3:06 pm | permalink |
Penelope,
I've read your blog for a long, long time. I'm also a fan of Tim Ferris. I really don't understand your hate.
I met Tim, in person, in Managua, where he was practicing what he preaches in THE FOUR HOUR WORK WEEK: combining a mini-vacation with research for THE FOUR HOUR BODY. I found him to be extremely humble and friendly–even with a nobody like me. He showed genuine interest in me as a person, and asked me several insightful questions about my web business. I'm sure it won't change your opinion of him, but for what it's worth, Tim Ferris is a class act.
Happy New Year! Here's To Less Hate in 2011,
Jeremy Lee James
Posted by Jeremy Lee James on January 1, 2011 at 3:22 pm | permalink |
I fucking love you!
Posted by Kate on January 1, 2011 at 9:05 pm | permalink |
I have been reading your blog for years and using the advice from it as much as possible in my business life. At 28, I have attended grad school in a different country, traveled through europe for four years, worked in Edinburgh, London, and Greece, andheld some of the most fascinating jobs. I made travel my priority and every step of the way you offered great advice.
I read another website religiously as well,although more fun how fun and silly it is, and one day she started directing us to Tim Ferris. I read it a few times. It was interesting, but I couldn't figure out how to make any of his advice work for me. I'm back in the states now with a few extra pounds, and so when I saw I could pre-order a book on how to lose weight in 4 hours a week, I thought about it, I really did. But then I realized that since nothing on his blog was even remotely helpful, how could his book be any better?
I know that I return to your blog over and over again. Every time I am aiming for a new job, I open up your links to resume and cover letter writing and re-study interview tactics. I ALWAYS get a call back from at least 50% of the people I contact and an in person interview from 30%. I nail every interview these days and have my pick of jobs. Sure, I am not applying to be a CEO, but I am applying for jobs I really love and want. Whether you are controversial or not, you are pretty much the best thing that happened to me professionally.
Posted by Danielle on January 2, 2011 at 7:58 am | permalink |
uhm, is the link to his book an amazon affiliate link? I'd be curious to know how many people buy his book because of a link found on a post that's hating the guy.
Posted by Alfredo Mesen on January 2, 2011 at 1:38 pm | permalink |
Had to laugh at how many people you get visiting your site by typing Tim Ferriss Scam – I did that about 30 mins ago! Am really enjoying the rest of the blog so far & have added it to my rss reader
Posted by emma on January 2, 2011 at 4:10 pm | permalink |
I too had concerns about Tim's character when I read the 4 hour work week (I skimmed it and gave it away as fast as I could). I am curious to read the four hour body and have a hold on the ebook version at the library since I am not sure I want to send funds to the author's way – maybe if its a really good book and I want my own copy. I rarely read book from the library, generally prefer to purchase and keep or toss.
Posted by Doug Ransom on January 3, 2011 at 2:21 pm | permalink |
Penelope, every time I start to wonder about your authenticity, I remember how much you hate Tim Ferriss. And that reassures me.
The guy is pure sleaze.
Posted by imelda on January 6, 2011 at 10:36 pm | permalink |
AHAAA!! What a great way to spend some time on a slow Friday at the office. I have never heard of Tim Ferriss, and coulnd't give a rat's ass to find out more. I am sure all those folks who have promoted him in their comments as providing usable info, nice guy, blah blah are genuine, but sorry, I DID follow the link to his new book and really….I won't pay money for it. I can already achieve an orgasm and hope I don't need some guy telling me how to get my partner to do it. I am sure the book contains alot more than that, but I am not interested in reading it. Actually I just love reading your stuff Pen and thinking about it. I don't need more and more info – I think we are actually overwhelmed with info on the web, but your stuff I never tire of. Thanks also to @Summer…LOL!!
Posted by Izzy on January 7, 2011 at 9:58 am | permalink |
The subtext of Tim's "test subjects" comment is to brag that he's slept with a lot of women. And I've observed that when a man has slept with a lot of womenâinto the "bragging numbers"âand when those high numbers are actually true, to obtain those numbers has meant a high percentage of those women with whom he's slept have been ugly. Which, to me, ain't no accomplishment. This is true even of a very handsome, very charming, very affluent Italian man I know (exceeding Tim in at least the first to categories, and maybe even the third) . He's had his share of beauties. But those aren't all he's had. It's true of all men of that ilk that I've observed: to rack up those high numbers, a lot of the women are invariably ugly. Which deserves no "two thumbs up" I dare argue.
Posted by Mike on January 7, 2011 at 1:02 pm | permalink |
This just became disgraceful. Yuck!
Posted by Jaja on January 7, 2011 at 1:36 pm | permalink |
By advocating quick methods for everything, Tim discourages learning the basic skills that need to be developed to truly master anything. Sure he's popular, because the whole concept is popular- shortcuts and barely any effort. We all think that's what we want, but it's not what really works or what brings true satisfaction.
Posted by Antone Broccoli on January 7, 2011 at 9:51 pm | permalink |
His book was getting a bunch of negative reviews on Amazon – I can see why – it was nothing but quickly recyled blog posts and quack remedies – at one point about 30% of the reviews were negative. Guess what happened this weekend? Over 200 5 star vanilla reviews. It was obviously from Ferriss gaming the system. I used to think he was just a fast talking hustler now I think he is an outright fraud going down the 'james arthur ray' path.
Posted by me on January 10, 2011 at 7:40 pm | permalink |
It strikes me that diet advice from a young man with the metabolism of an athlete is probably not going to be that helpful for a middle-aged writer who has to fix food for two teenagers everyday.
BTW, I meant me, not you
Posted by Lisa Earle McLeod on January 12, 2011 at 12:21 pm | permalink |
Penelope, it is so funny reading this blog entry because I first found your site when I was googling Timothy Ferriss… I stayed and read through more of your captivating words. And I forwarded some of the links to my friends because the content could specifically help them. Thank you for your fantastic writing – it makes me come back (and a flashy title NEVER does).
Posted by Serra on January 14, 2011 at 11:34 pm | permalink |
Shameless plug for my (loving!) critique of Ferriss.
http://mindslikeknives.blogspot.com/2011/01/against-greatness-tim-ferriss-and.html
Why exactly do we need to keep getting better at everything, when the current state of society would seem to indicate that excellence itself is subject to the law of diminishing returns?
Posted by Dzanemorris on March 27, 2011 at 11:57 am | permalink |
I thought I was the only one who thought Tim Ferris was arrogant. Did you see his interview with the Mixergy founder? Tim was giving the interviewer shit the entire time. Hw presents himself as a bully.
Posted by Sara Bliss on May 1, 2011 at 4:14 pm | permalink |
Get the June, 2011 ELLE MAGAZINE and read the Tim Ferriss profile by Maggie Bullock on p. 194. Not only does she interview him, she tries his 4 HOUR BODY diet and admits to bursting into tears when the diet proves to be failing utterly.
Posted by Al on May 28, 2011 at 1:13 am | permalink |
Once I become famous problem-sale value is there
Posted by museeplatinum on August 2, 2011 at 4:08 am | permalink |
Whenever I see another person (frequently people who should know better)touting the snake oil that Tim Ferriss promotes I automatically think less highly of that person. It's amazing how many people are gullible enough to buy into his self-promoting crap. But all you have to do is look at some of the other idiotic things Americans do (like elect fringe whackos to Congress) and you realize that most people simply aren't all that bright.
Secretly I think I must envy his ability to obtain fame and fortune by fooling all these types. It's just that even with the disdain I feel for people who don't think for themselves I doubt I could ever stoop to the level of an obvious sociopath.
For bloggers and others who need to bump up their numbers however, Tim Ferriss is a god-send. He always delivers the goods. He's the guy a lot of people love to hate.
Posted by Eric Wentworth on August 2, 2011 at 9:45 am | permalink |
Dear Penelope,
first i would like to congratulate you , because this is the second time today that i end up here, with no -first intention, you can certainly attract attention and that is good! I do feel that focusing on discrediting someone puts you on a "disconnected" position, how can someone who considers relationships so important not realize how silly this post look? Or are you just fishing attention, what if you work together with good old Tim, after all i googled him not you…
I certainly admire your writing skills, at least you did't outsourced it, or did you?
Ps: i've lost an inch of waist this past week, following his advices , and this way of writing was the sandwich thing he taught on his 4h ww book hehe..
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I love your blog. Nice job.
"Fail Harder" – Mark Zuckerberg
Posted by Andrew Hales on December 5, 2011 at 4:14 pm | permalink |
Penelope, AMAZING post. Tim Ferriss is such a crook. I can't believe people buy his crap and load of lies. It's really disgusting. There's nothing sincere about him. I wish someone did a real investigation into WHO is actually writing those amazon.com reviews for his books. There is NO WAY hundreds of REAL people wrote positive reviews the very first day the book went live on the site. It's clear he has personal assistants all over the world writing his reviews. I feel like it's A BIG LIE and it's not fair to the average bloke who doesn't know that he's gaming the system. My theory is that Tim is over compensating for something. Maybe short-guy syndrome?? Considering he's quite short, maybe he just wishes he was taller. And more handsome.
Posted by lisa on December 11, 2011 at 11:31 pm | permalink |