The culmination of my four-year obsession with happiness research is that I think people need to choose between an interesting life or happy life. (Note: This does not mean you are interesting or not interesting. I am talking about what values guide your decision making.) I think the things that make life happy have to do with complacency, and the things that make life interesting have to do with lack of complacency. If you want to read more about this, search on my sidebar "happiness" and "interesting" and you'll get a bazillion posts because I've been obsessed with the topic.
I have discovered that I would rather be interesting than happy. The good news is that even though I’m punting on the quest for happiness, I do have a good sense of how to know if you should be seeking happiness yourself, or if your quest for interesting makes happiness a lost cause.
Here’s the test:
1. Did you relocate away from family for a better job or another more interesting experience? Minus one
You would have to earn $150,000 more from a job if you were doing it far away from family, according to economist Nattavudh Powdthavee of University of York.
2. Did you relocate to be near family? Plus one
Happiness does not come from a job, or from being revered by your peers. It comes from personal relationships.
3. Are you nationally recognized as being great at doing something or do you have nationally-recognized expert knowledge in something? Or are you reorganizing your life in order to achieve this end? Minus one
Interesting people raise the bar on themselves. They are singularly focused because they recognize that in order to be great, you need to be focused. They will sacrifice other things in life for this obsession.
4. Were you a happy child? Plus one
Sixty percent of our ability to be happy is predetermined by our genes.
5. Do your friends pray? Plus one
People who pray are happier than people who do not pray, probably because having faith is fundamentally optimistic. (You can be any religion, and pray for anything.) Happiness is contagious, and we are more likely to be happy if our friends are happy.
6. Do you need your kids to go to a school that is recognized as excellent in national rankings? Minus one.
People who need the best of everything — maximizers — are not happy people.
7. Do you have fat friends? Plus one
Fat people are not generally maximizers. And if your friends are not maximizers than you probably aren’t either.
8. Do you have an opinion on Picasso? Minus one
People who focus on interesting are quicker to form opinions on subjective topics.
9. Do you have three friends who are a Jew, a Muslim and a born-again Christian? Minus one
Diversity is interesting, but in small groups (like friends) it does not make for happiness, according to Frans Johansson, author of The Medici Effect.
10. Are you a Republican? Plus one
Republicans are happier than democrats. This dichotomy is based a lot on personality. Republicans tend to have personality traits that are uncomfortable with change, whereas people who lean democrat tend to have personality traits of change agents, according to personality research from Xyte.
11. Do you think Christmas is a national holiday? Plus one
Christmas is not a national holiday, because the US is not a Christian country. But regardless of what's true, homogenous thinking breeds happiness. It’s why countries like Sweden and Finland are so happy. They are homogenous.
12. Have you been to a therapist? Minus one
Peopel who are interesting but not happy have a point where they need to make sure they are okay. Also, they are interested in finding out about themselves even if they are fine. The ratio of therapists to citizens is lowest in populations that skew to maximizers (like New York City and San Francisco).
13. Do you know the difference between $70 eyebrows and $20 eyebrows? Minus one
It doesn't matter if you spend that much for eyebrows. But if you know why people who must have good eyebrows cannot take chances, and why most people have terrible eyebrows, then you took the time to find out enough about eyebrows to know what is best and how yours could be better.
14. Can you tell the difference between real diamonds and fake diamonds. Plus one
Trick question. A maximizer will have tried to learn to figure it out and will have learned that even experts can’t without a special tool.
15. Have you tried on a pair of $200 jeans? Minus one
If you are not interested in seeing what they look like on you, you probably just want to be happy with how you are. People who are interested in new experiences are less likely to be happy, according to Psychology Today.
16. Do you think this test is BS? Plus one
People with interesting lives do not get offended that they cannot be happy. Happy people are offended that they cannot have interesting lives.
Scoring:
-8 to -3 You have a desire for interestingness over happiness
3 to 8 You have a desire for happiness over interestingness.
-2 to 2 You are suspiciously well balanced. Or lacking a self-identity. I'm not sure which.





I find this whole topic fascinating, even if I disagree. I think you can be both happy and interesting. (Although, maybe that just means I'm happy and offended.) It's true that people are annoyed when they have to wait for the train to cross the street but will stop to look if it derails.
Posted by Jennifer on February 16, 2010 at 11:45 am | permalink |
Hmm I scored -5 but I think I am pretty happy. I feel like I work on curbing my maximizer tendencies. My satisficer husband helps with that. I also recognize the value of relationships and work very hard to maintain and build strong personal relationships.
Interesting post.
Posted by Erin A. on February 16, 2010 at 11:46 am | permalink |
I have tried a lot in my life, a lot off money in a periode don't make me happy, but in this periode off my life where i help many in the street this time i was happy.
Posted by Sture B on March 4, 2010 at 4:17 am | permalink |
Great blog post. Interesting. And it made me happy. ;) I have also enjoyed studying this idea. I have found the research of Arthur Brooks on happiness most intriguing. Thanks again for the logical approach to happiness.
Posted by Jessica on February 16, 2010 at 11:49 am | permalink |
I personally find Albert Brooks more enlightening.
Posted by LJTabak on February 16, 2010 at 2:07 pm | permalink |
I think the lower bound for the scoring should be -8 for 'extremely interesting' or 'extremely miserable' depending on the point of view…
Posted by Tanya on February 16, 2010 at 11:52 am | permalink |
-5!? Anyhow, I'd consider myself happy– but I'd also consider myself interesting. Sooooo.
Posted by mordicai on February 16, 2010 at 11:58 am | permalink |
This is all very theoretical. Did you try hard to find examples of people who are really, truly both extremely interesting and extremely happy? If you can find one example, it blows your idea to bits. I can think of many examples.
Posted by Michael Nielsen on February 16, 2010 at 12:08 pm | permalink |
I know a few examples & couldn't stop thinking of them while reading this. I think PT's approach to the concepts of 'happy' & 'interesting' and her current notions of what they mean are somewhat misguided.
Posted by Catherine on February 16, 2010 at 6:06 pm | permalink |
+7 Don't know that the questions measure anything real, but I agree Republicans are happier than Democrats.
If you like this kind of stuff, let me challenge you with 40 Days for Becoming a Better Person. I do a lot of soul searching and here's the stuff I think about on Mardi Gras in preparation for…
Posted by Jorge Lazaro Diaz on February 16, 2010 at 12:08 pm | permalink |
Ignorance is bliss?
Posted by Jan Hogle on February 16, 2010 at 12:59 pm | permalink |
You crack me up. :-)
I'm an INFJ. I don't have it in me to sacrifice the well being of my tribe to be interesting. I'm OK with that. I plan on becoming Auntie Mame as I age.
Posted by justamouse on February 16, 2010 at 12:10 pm | permalink |
I'm an INFJ – scored -1.
Posted by Epi Tales on February 16, 2010 at 7:56 pm | permalink |
This post is really interesting, though I'm a bit skeptical. (Though, perhaps I'm like the first commenter and just happy and offended.) With Q#3, I think it matters what the national recognition is in. Is it in a hobby you do on the side that gives you personal fulfillment? Or is it in your entire career that requires all your focus? And how important is that recognition to you? For some people it is the end to which everything else must relate. For others, it is icing on the cake. So I think those distinctions make a difference in how happy you are.
Also, I'm not sure people who are single-mindedly driven for national rankings and sending their kids to nationally ranked programs are necessarily more interesting. That's definitely not a marker for being more original or authentic in any case.
Q#8 also seems to be conflating subjectivity and familiarity with the subject. I'm pretty sure Art and Art History majors who've spent entire semesters studying Picasso and the movements before and after him would be more likely to have formed some opinion of his work or even the man himself than someone who only as a vague notion of cubist art.
On Q#10, I'd be really curious to see the data and methods on that. I wonder if they might be conflating party identification with other factors (like religiosity, socioeconomic status, etc.).
I do think it's possible to choose interesting things because they make us happy and that this dichotomy may be a little overstated. It may be that we choose more interesting/less happy in some areas in our life and more happy/less interesting in other areas (and then the key distinction would be which area has the biggest impact on overall happiness). Also, it may be that even in one area, say career for example, we choose something that is "interesting"…but we sacrifice some of the "interestingness" (like acclaim) for happiness (like family and relationships).
Anyway, I do find this all fascinating and I'm not trying to tear everything down here. I just think some distinctions could be a little more fine-tuned.
Posted by Jade @ Tasting Grace on February 16, 2010 at 12:15 pm | permalink |
+2. But I definitely prefer happiness to interestingness.
One possibility is that I get my interestingness by proxy–I know a large number of interesting people (e.g. Penelope, Ramit Sethi, Ben Casnocha, David Weekly, etc.) whom I work with and help on a regular basis.
As a result, I'm content to remain a behind-the-scenes figure or a mentor's mentor (http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2008/05/17/how-i-got-my-current-favorite-mentor/).
Not that I wouldn't mind appearing on national television; I'm just not willing to put in the hard work to do so.
Posted by Chris Yeh on February 16, 2010 at 12:16 pm | permalink |
I know I'm interesting. I drink Dos Equis.
Posted by Matt Rock on February 16, 2010 at 12:17 pm | permalink |
I bet you're happy when you're drinking Dos Equis, too!
Posted by DC on February 16, 2010 at 12:49 pm | permalink |
Stay thirsty, my friends!
Posted by Francie on May 19, 2011 at 9:47 am | permalink |
Based on P's past blog entries, I have to wonder whether she came out on the happy side of even a single question.
Posted by JR on February 16, 2010 at 12:17 pm | permalink |
-6 ! I definitely want to have an interesting life, but at the same time I spend a lot of time worrying about how to be Happy and not get lost in the forest of doing things. Like, I would keep asking myself 'What is this all about ? Where is it all going ?'. Sometimes this puts me off track and makes it very difficult to concentrate on getting things done.
Great post btw. Love your blogs !
Posted by Guruprasad on February 16, 2010 at 12:21 pm | permalink |
What a happy bunch of interesting people :)
Loved the tongue in cheek ~ We make jokes when we are faced with a reality check. There is nothing that prevents us from being & doing all the above. I don't see living a happy life and being interest(-ing)(-ed) as mutually exclusive. I seem to lean in one direction for a while and then the other, balancing act~ closing in on zero as the desired sum of life. "Suspiciously well balanced" is good. I scored a +1, yet found myself mildly concerned that I "appeared" to be happier than I was interesting (or -ed), at which thought I could only smile as I settled into the zero bucket…lol.
Posted by Angelic427 on April 29, 2011 at 8:40 pm | permalink |
You're drawing a false symmetry between being interesting and being high-maintenance. Watch Louis CK's excellent comedy clip; the people he's making fun of aren't interesting, they're just malcontents. Having $70 eyebrows, wanting $70 eyebrows, or being able to tell the difference between $70 and $20 eyebrows, do not make you interesting; if anything, the opposite is true.
Posted by Joe on February 16, 2010 at 12:22 pm | permalink |
Perhaps a Democrat's maximizer is a Republican's malcontent.
Posted by Bob on February 16, 2010 at 12:36 pm | permalink |
Agreed!
Posted by Dana on February 17, 2010 at 9:18 am | permalink |
Suspiciously well-balanced–OR–have changed. I used to live my life to be interesting, so I got lots of those interesting points. But in my late 30s I decided I was ready for happiness instead and that decision led me to pick up some happiness points. That said, though, I'm kind of confused as to how I wound up negative. If you start from zero, and subtract points and add points, surely only happy people can wind up in positive territory? Your scoring chart therefore seems very wrong.
Posted by Wendy on February 16, 2010 at 12:22 pm | permalink |
Penelope, you didn't tell us your score!
Posted by Nisha on February 16, 2010 at 12:27 pm | permalink |
I scored negative 5. And that made me realize that I did the scoring at the end of the post the wrong way. So I revised the scoring. Math is always hard for me, by the way, which doesn't bother me that much because I find that the deficit makes my life more interesting :)
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on February 16, 2010 at 1:44 pm | permalink |
Ha… I was wondering why everything started at 0! Especially since I scored -7.
Posted by Nisha on February 16, 2010 at 2:06 pm | permalink |
Based on your post above, I would think that the math deficit would make you happier, not more interesting.
Posted by Zenna on February 19, 2010 at 12:31 am | permalink |
Another -5 who considers herself very happy! I guess being part of an optimizing couple who has moved overseas for better jobs and international recognition of our work, who don't feel the need to live close to our families, helps.
Also having relatives and friends with enough money to travel and come see us in the US in-between our trips to visit our native country is probably another factor.
On a side note, I think I was born with perfect eyebrows. I keep being asked by beauty professionals where I got my eyebrows done because they say they look great, and guess what, I've never had them done anywhere, so who knows, perhaps not having to worry about one's eyebrows is a major factor in being able to be happy while pursuing an interesting life, heh.
Posted by Chris M. on February 16, 2010 at 12:28 pm | permalink |
This post made me smile, which made me happy, which made me not interested in my score. But please Penelope, could you proofread before you post?? Sweeeeeeden?
Posted by prklypr on February 16, 2010 at 12:29 pm | permalink |
actually, there a quite a few typos…maybe your proofreader is sick today? on vacation?
Posted by prklypr on February 16, 2010 at 12:30 pm | permalink |
Are you a praying Republican with lots of obese pals? Then you're deliriously happy, because you're too damn stupid to know any better.
What garbage.
Posted by David on February 16, 2010 at 12:36 pm | permalink |
I'm not buying this premise (yours) at all: "I think the things that make life happy have to do with complacency, and the things that make life interesting have to do with lack of complacency."
I'll go with Eleanor Roosevelt's take: "Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product." So, happiness does not come from complacency, it comes from action.
I think what you've really discovered about yourself is that you'd rather be interesting than right–which is rather sad.
Posted by DC on February 16, 2010 at 12:38 pm | permalink |
Damn, that lady was really on the ball. She keeps being the source of all my favorite quotes!
Posted by Tzipporah on February 17, 2010 at 2:04 pm | permalink |
My mom just passed away and what comforts me the most is to know that she was so happy. She had a smile for everyone and wanted everyone to feel good (even complete strangers). She earned and saved a lot of money over her life, and could have traveled the world, and done whatever she wanted. But instead, she worked 2 or 3 or 4 days a week – in a small luncheonette. She shopped in Sears (she loved buying little shirts and things for people) and Kmart and Pathmark – boring and uninteresting stores, but she knew all the sales clerks and they loved seeing her. So she was very social – people would go to the luncheonnette (where she worked) just to see her. A few lost souls, who had no one in their lives, would go and have breakfast or lunch just to see that amazing smile of hers. She made people happy because they felt loved.
I think something that proves you are happy is when you want others to be happy around you and when you are generous to them. People are happy when they do nice things for people – whether they know them or not. Today it was snowing that wet kind of snow and I saw a woman running for a bus & she clearly was not going to catch it. So I opened my car window and told her to jump in and I drove her to the next bus stop. She couldn't believe I was doing this and said "God bless you" with a huge smile. That made me happy. My mother would have done something like that. She certainly would have been happy that I did that.
My memories of her always include her amazing smile. She saved and saved, and didn't spend much on herself, and didn't travel much – in fact – only to her family in MA & WV. She didn't have hobbies other than playing cards. But when we played we were so happy …. Her legacy is her love and her happiness. She wasn't an interesting person, but she was the most fascinating person I'll ever know.
Posted by Connie on February 16, 2010 at 12:39 pm | permalink |
Connie,
I loved reading this comment- your mother sounds like she was a wonderful woman. Thank you for sharing.
Posted by J (the regular) on February 16, 2010 at 2:30 pm | permalink |
connie – wonderful testament to your mumz. i am sure it made her happy.
Posted by Michael Dimas on February 16, 2010 at 6:04 pm | permalink |
Connie this is the most beautiful story about your Mom and her legacy lives in you.I have a daughter that is my whole life, she is everything to me and I will be thrilled if she has these kinds of memories of me when I die.I am very happy in life, a simple life and ALWAYS happiest when I am with my daughter.Stay safe and happy! all my best wishes sent to you
Posted by Pam McCormick on February 19, 2010 at 9:47 am | permalink |
Penelope –
I think you would make a good Jesuit. You should read this book: How Big Is Your God? The Freedom to Experience the Divine by Paul Coutinho, S.J.
Happiness is something that comes from within. So, if being interesting is what fulfills you or make you "happy", then go for it and accept that there will be pain along the way.
Posted by JR on February 16, 2010 at 12:42 pm | permalink |
Many praying Republicans believe everything's ok because of course poverty and environmental crises are just part of God's plan. As is executing and imprisoning lots of black men. (Check out "opiates, masses")
By far your least thoughtful column, and it raises questions about your judgment.
Posted by David on February 16, 2010 at 12:42 pm | permalink |
"Suspiciously well-balanced" checking in here. You CAN be happy and interesting, but it takes work. And work is, oddly enough, something that we need to be happy. Meaningful work, that is.
It's important to note that human beings live in a constant state of undulation … riding the roller-coaster from one end of the happy spectrum to the other. We are not static creatures, and when we find ourselves in completely static circumstances, we become unhappy. However, we are also programmed to want stability, so if things are too unstable, we become unhappy. I learned a long time ago that maintaining the balance between stability and adventure is key to my being predominantly happy in life. Not that always feel happy … a casual read of my blog or my Facebook status history will reveal the truth there! But on the whole, I'm fairly happy.
And I think we need the unhappy times in our lives. Without them, would we recognize "happy" when it showed up?
P.S.: Tell your proofreader that he's sleeping on the job. There are a number of typos in this post … such that I found myself being distracted by them and struggling to focus on your post. ;-)
Posted by Editormum on February 16, 2010 at 12:43 pm | permalink |
I fixed the typos. I think. And you're right. It's amazing how many there were. But, to be fair, I'm the proofreader. Or the lack-of-a-proofreader.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on February 16, 2010 at 2:05 pm | permalink |
P, I'm a sub-editor. Take it from me, people can't proof-read their own work.
Posted by Sandy on February 16, 2010 at 8:58 pm | permalink |
Sandy's right … no one can proof their own work. Not even professional editors. So, maybe you need to hire someone to proof your posts before you make them public. Not that the occasional typo bothers me, but, being a freelance editor and proofreader(yes, there is a difference), I find that more than two or three in a post and I take off my "interested reader" hat and put on my "eagle-eyed editor" hat without even thinking about it.
You have a house-manager to handle the details of running your home, and a nanny to handle the details of minding your kids, so hiring an editor to handle the details of your professional writing might not be a bad idea.
Posted by Editormum on February 17, 2010 at 8:39 am | permalink |
P.S. Not to be a bear about this either, but I scored a zero because i got some minus points for interesting and some plus points for happy and some things didn't apply and there was nothing that said to add or subtract for that so I ended up with zero. Which should stand for balanced maybe? But based on the scoring system looks like I went for everything interesting and nothing happy.
Posted by Jade @ Tasting Grace on February 16, 2010 at 12:45 pm | permalink |
I fixed the scoring. I think it'll work better now. Try again. Maybe you will suddenly, with the new scoring, become a different person :)
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on February 16, 2010 at 2:07 pm | permalink |
Penelope, I think you could sum this up as, "Would you rather be bored or annoyed?"
Posted by LPC on February 16, 2010 at 12:45 pm | permalink |
I think happiness and objective interesting-ness are unrelated. However I think happiness and /self perceived/ interesting-ness are closely tied. If you're constantly disrupting things in your life that make you happy in order to be more interesting then you're probably not going to be happy. It's like stuff… the shopping buzz wears off. People generally adjust to their level of interesting-ness and it become boring to them. Been there done that… whats next?
Posted by Kelly on February 16, 2010 at 12:47 pm | permalink |
Religious people are happier than nonreligious people? Well, I guess that makes sense. Drunk people are happier than sober people.
Maybe the same applies to Republicans.
Posted by Nancy on February 16, 2010 at 12:48 pm | permalink |
Enjoyed this post and appreciate the conclusion you've come to regarding the difference between striving to be happy versus interesting. After reading the comments it seems like some missed your point in that they aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. Personally, I find your thoughts comforting. In the happiness research I've done, I've considered the suggestions to increase happiness and decide it's not worth it. I'm not offended. I'll take interesting any day of the week. I'll also choose to surround myself with interesting people. Thanks for this post. I look forward to more like it.
Posted by Jen on February 16, 2010 at 12:50 pm | permalink |
You had me going for a few minutes. It wasn't until the 5th or 6th question that I realized this was a joke.
Excellent! Thank you.
Posted by Bill on February 16, 2010 at 12:55 pm | permalink |
Sorry Penelope, but I'm both interesting and happy. Can I add lucky to the mix, too? I find it odd that your test gives or deducts points for subjective things like eyebrows or diamonds. Maybe you need to adjust your attitude about the things you define as "interesting" or "happy"…you might find that you're both.
Posted by GoodStuffNW on February 16, 2010 at 12:57 pm | permalink |
penelope – you are very interesting. i wish you all the happiness you can stand. great stuff.
Posted by Michael Dimas on February 16, 2010 at 12:57 pm | permalink |
This comment makes me guffaw in my brain.
Posted by Jamie Beckland on February 16, 2010 at 2:28 pm | permalink |
So, being happy is about being content with what you have. Being a maximizer (i.e. overachiever) means always striving for something more, which means not being satisfied with what you have. I can see your point, and it's something I've realized personally. But it looks like I chose to be happy and boring. :)
Posted by Krystle on February 16, 2010 at 1:08 pm | permalink |
I'm not sure how to score this. Is it over the course of my life, or within some defined timeframe? For example, I've moved both to and away from family for a variety of reasons (from: I went away to college and grad school; to: I couldn't find a job and had to move home; from: the job I found was awful and there were few local opportunities; to: I got married). But even that doesn't tell you that I come from a family that has moved a lot for generations and finds the process to be neither traumatic nor an indicator of how emotionally close you are to your loved ones.
So I guess this quiz might be interesting, but I'm not sure I'd find it informative.
Posted by KateNonymous on February 16, 2010 at 1:19 pm | permalink |
This is an interesting blog post even though I disagree with a lot of the points you made. Halfway through the quiz, I already knew that I would end up being the “interesting yet unhappy” type. I definitely don’t think that I am completely satisfied with where I am now, but I think doing interesting things will eventually lead me to a happy place in life. I strongly disagree that complacency leads to happiness. In fact, I think it’s quite the opposite. Happiness is relative and changes with time and events in life. For example, who is to say a person who might be content with just a high school degree wouldn’t be happier if s/he went on to go to college? They certainly wouldn’t know without ever having tried it. Also, happiness is also highly subjective, leading an interesting lifestyle can be highly rewarding emotionally to some but not to others. I guess what I’m trying to say is that being interesting and happiness are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Quizzes like these are made to simplify highly complex questions and has obviously has its limitations so I’ll leave it at that. Great job for trying to boil it down to a couple of interesting points!
Posted by Catherine Chang on February 16, 2010 at 1:20 pm | permalink |
oh wow, for some reason my comment was posted under " KateNonymous"!!! this isn't my comment!!
Posted by Catherine Chang on February 16, 2010 at 2:08 pm | permalink |
It looks fine now. The only other comment I see credited to my user ID is the one I made.
Posted by KateNonymous on February 16, 2010 at 3:39 pm | permalink |
i had an interesting childhood, it was very interesting but totally unhappy. so, now that i had a kid i'm dedicated to happiness. sameness and calm. its nice and totally boring. but, i'm completely NOT offended about not being interesting. boring is where it's at.
Posted by Naima on February 16, 2010 at 1:29 pm | permalink |
I totally disagre with you on this. If you value being interested to the point that you are willing to really strive for it, then working for it will make you happy. And people who are miserable are never interesting. That's just stupid. Sorry, but it is. There is a difference between being a 'maximiser' and seeking out the best, and being unhappy with the way things are. If you are truly a maximiser, then you will be happy when things appear to be working out.
And the test was funny – $70 eyebrows vs. $20 eyebrows? LOL. For the record, I am very happy, yet according to this little 'test' I'm not: I only scored -2!
Posted by Sarah on February 16, 2010 at 1:35 pm | permalink |
OK, so I scored a -6.
But, I think that many people in the comments have misunderstood your test, Penelope. It does not determine *whether* you are happy, but whether you *organize your time and priorities* around being happy.
So, I am happy, but that's *precisely because* I have lots of interests – I think that people who are not interested in lots of interesting things are, well, boring. And that makes me not-happy.
Posted by Jamie Beckland on February 16, 2010 at 1:42 pm | permalink |
Yeah, you're right, Jamie. Thanks for clarifying. The test shows you what you are striving for, what matters most to you. Not what you have achieved or how you feel.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on February 16, 2010 at 1:47 pm | permalink |
Answers / scoring for the quiz should go at the end. If I know which way to answer each question to improve my happiness score, then you might as well just reduce the whole quiz and have people self-identify as happiness-maximizers or "interestingness"-maximizers.
Posted by Erica on February 16, 2010 at 1:57 pm | permalink |
Penelope I like you a lot, and your blog, but this is the most ridiculous fucking quiz I've ever seen (and I used to read Cosmo quizzes!). I'm jewish! More than half of my friends are jewish! In my world, being jewish is NOT being a minority.
Oh, and my friends ARE my family. The family I was born into? Abusive and outrageously unhealthy. I could go on and on.
Posted by Green on February 16, 2010 at 2:05 pm | permalink |
I love typos. I think they are interesting. Didn't take the test though. Too much math.
Posted by Diana on February 16, 2010 at 2:14 pm | permalink |
Your conflation of pursuing an interesting life and being interesting is silly (sentences like "Happy people are offended that they cannot be interesting"). I tend to find constant maximizers fairly tedious in conversation – the constant discussion of the amount one ought to pay for eyebrows is kind of, um, stupid (and I say that as someone who regularly pays mid-level prices for shapely eyebrows. Though it would never occur to me to fly somewhere to get them done.)
Even on things that actually are somewhat important (e.g. kids' schools), the naval gazing and constant weighing of options is really really boring (and, as a math-y finance type, I can't help but think that the time-opportunity-cost of finding the maximum outweighs any possible benefit over the 99th percentile solution.)
Incidentally, I scored a -2, but my mental self-image has me somewhere more happiness focused than that.
Last random comment on the test: the diamond question doesn't distinguish between those of us who immediately thought "no clue" versus those who actually researched – are trick questions really of any use in a self-assessment test?
Posted by Roberta on February 16, 2010 at 2:14 pm | permalink |
Good point, Roberta, about Penelope's conflation of "an interesting life" and "be[ing] interesting." She smoothly slides from one concept to the other as if they were the same, but of course they're not. What kind of life you have is a completely different question from what kind of person you are. I was scrolling and skimming downward to see if anyone else had noticed this before I posted about as if I were the first.
So which is it you want, Penelope — to have an interesting life, or to be an interesting person? (Fun quiz, by the way. Kind of BS, but whatev.) You can want both of those things, of course, but they're two different things to want, not the same thing. I'm sure you've read way more about happiness research than I have, but your conflation of two such basic concepts in this area makes me wonder how well you understand the material, frankly. And I'm particularly troubled by your equation of happiness and complacency, as other commenters have previously mentioned. I just did a search on "complacent" in your blog, and nowhere do you cite research to support the equivalency of happiness and complacency. Nowhere, in fact, do you cite research to support any of your opinions about complacency. Nor does a fairly quick Google search turn up any peer-reviewed literature supporting the equivalency of happiness and complacency. This is your idea, Penelope, not some expert's; nor does it appear to be supported by any experts. And it is in fact contradicted by the positive-psychology research I've done (namely the work of psychologist Barbara Fredrickson).
If you don't want to be happy, then fine; and if you don't want to be complacent, also fine; but I think it's inaccurate to imply that they're the same, or to believe that in rejecting one you're automatically rejecting the other. For myself, I believe that complacency is to be rejected but that happiness is to be cultivated. Having an interesting life and being complacent probably are mutually exclusive, but an interesting life and a happy life are not, I'm happy (and interested) to say.
Posted by Brent on February 16, 2010 at 7:02 pm | permalink |
I feel like this whole concept is confused. Why is there a dichotomy between happy and interesting lives? How is money related to an interesting life? Is a maximizer not happy?
I think you have confused "interesting" with "pretentious."
For fun, I took your quiz. I scored -2. I like to think I lead an interesting life, but maybe I don't. I like to enact change socially and locally. I am not a Republican ("I never vote for anyone; I always vote against. – W. C. Fields"). I can go on and on.
Argh… this quiz bothers me! I have fat friends who are intense maximizers (Penelope, perhaps you don't know and have never met gamers). Children aren't happy because of genetics, but because of their environment (how was YOUR home life as a child? Are you happy now?), and people who move away from their family may be happier because their family is a source of dissent.
Happiness, and the path to get there, is ill-defined. Making generalizations about it creates buzz and makes people feel good about their directions in life, but that doesn't mean there is a single absolute truth about happiness.
I think this was the most frustrating post you have written in a while! People don't function on generalizations! Have you ever met the average person?
(Also, you forgot to spellcheck… :P )
Posted by JC on February 16, 2010 at 2:15 pm | permalink |
This post is the culmination of about 50 posts I've done about happiness. I have covered most of this stuff. For example, yes, maximizers are not happy. This is a factual point — it's part of Schwartz's definition of maximizer (he's the guy who coined the term). So you should go back and read some of the happiness posts. I think you'll like them. Search "happiness" in the search box on the sidebar.
-Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on February 16, 2010 at 2:49 pm | permalink |
Weight should be irrelevant.
Posted by Rubi on February 16, 2010 at 2:22 pm | permalink |
I'm flabbergasted! Is it actually possible that so many people here honestly missed the point that she was probably just bored, and felt like turning out some humorous prattle this time?
Good grief. Some of you seem to truly think this was a serious piece. Unbelievable.
Posted by Bill on February 16, 2010 at 2:23 pm | permalink |
Have you run out of interesting things to say? This is retarded.
You have this view of yourself as this incredibly edgy and complicated person when it seems like in actual fact, you are just a high-maintenance pain in the ass.
Penelope attacks fat people….blah blah blah…Penelope spruiks the benefits of expensive eyebrows…blah blah blah.
It's all becoming sadly predictable.
Posted by Jessica on February 16, 2010 at 2:34 pm | permalink |
I love that you just said "This is retarded." I mean, I don't agree with you, I'm just happy you said what you said. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/15/sarah-silverman-in-twitte_n_462769.html
Posted by Sara on February 18, 2010 at 11:11 am | permalink |
This test equates materialism and the pursuit of external rewards with interestingness (eyebrows, diamonds, jeans, national recognition). But the people I know who are interesting aren't the ones who buy things and do things to get other people's approval as being "interesting". They're the ones who approach life with a unique perspective. There are people who travel and aren't changed by the travelling and who go to art museums without feeling the art and form opinions on picasso because it's something an interesting person does. and people who spend $200 on jeans that don't have any more instrinsic value than the $30 pair but come with the label and the prestige. Being interesting is a mindset, not a set of circumstances. And some of the posters above are right, thinking that your unhappiness is the same as being interesting doesn't make you interesting. It's like being thirteen and dressing counterculture because you think being different is cool. Grow up, be different because your ideas happen to be different, not because you're trying to be different/cool.
Posted by H on February 16, 2010 at 2:45 pm | permalink |
Don't you know–you can buy an interesting life! (just kidding, of course)
Posted by h2 on February 16, 2010 at 6:16 pm | permalink |
H,
Unfortunately, like many commenters above, it seems you are missing the point.
This test doesn't equate materialism and the pursuit of external rewards with interestingness – it equates those things with the a tendency to pursue interestingness rather than happiness.
P started out by saying "This does not mean you are interesting or not interesting. I am talking about what values guide your decision making.
Posted by Elizabeth on February 16, 2010 at 7:48 pm | permalink |
So the title of the post "Is your life happy or interesting" is contradictory to the quiz, then…
Posted by h2 on February 16, 2010 at 9:25 pm | permalink |
Yep, you're absolutely right :). Just for something different Penelope's title doesn't match the content. Sometimes I wonder if she does it as a head fake on us poor readers ;-).
Posted by Elizabeth on February 17, 2010 at 7:33 pm | permalink |
Absolutely :). Just for something different Penelope's title doesn't match the content. Sometimes I wonder if she does it intentionally as a head fake to us readers ;-).
Posted by Elizabeth on February 17, 2010 at 7:36 pm | permalink |
I made the choice rather early seek interesting over "happy". I disagree with some of the comments about how that impacts my "view of myself". I don't view *myself* as interesting or "edgy" – but I choose do *do* things that *I* find interesting over doing things that are comfortable.
It also does not mean that I am not "happy". It's about how you make choices and not the result of how you see yourself or how other's judge you.
Posted by Steven Grant on February 16, 2010 at 2:51 pm | permalink |
Regarding this. Simply put. Anger is the reaction which will most lead one to falling on the un happy side of life.
The choice is ours every second. It's as simple as personal a choice to be happy or sad and anger, at our selves or others will trigger this.
Also Giving is the most important act of all towards being happy. Give as much as you can and happiness shall follow.
generate less anger and give more… :)
Posted by Enrique on February 16, 2010 at 2:53 pm | permalink |
Do I think this test is BS? Yes. I sort of makes me unhappy to read the questions. But, since I am comment number 64, I doubt anyone will read this. While I am commenting, I wanted to say that I did get something out of your review of Seth Godin's book, specifically the concept of being charming enough not to get fired when you're difficult. Unfortunately, I got laid off so that one doesn't count. Finally, I hate the term "emerging."
Posted by David Rosen on February 16, 2010 at 3:03 pm | permalink |
Complacency (according to the American Heritage dictionary: 1. A feeling of contentment or self-satisfaction, especially when coupled with an unawareness of danger, trouble, or controversy.
2. An instance of contented self-satisfaction.
I agree with P's statement, and it doesn't seem like she's trying to say the two mutually exclusive. It seems to me like she's saying, if you're satisfied with what you have, you tend to be happier than those people who tend to change it up more…. I scored a 6 BTW…
Posted by Kari on February 16, 2010 at 3:21 pm | permalink |
Yeah, um, what the hell does being fat have to do with an inability to "maximize"? Where did you come up with this theory other than the girl's bathroom in junior high while you were checking for zits? This is the downside of the internet…no quality control.
Posted by Gina on February 16, 2010 at 3:36 pm | permalink |
As a -1, in response to "You are suspiciously well balanced. Or lacking a self-identity. I'm not sure which."
I'm only accidentally (and hopefully temporarily) "well balanced" – I'm an optimizer by nature, but have chosen to overcome nature with nurture and been training myself to focus on happiness instead. That negative one tells me I still have a ways to go, but that I've also made a decent amount of progress too.
Posted by Jennyusagi on February 16, 2010 at 3:45 pm | permalink |
This reminds me of the opening of Anna Karenina:
"Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own [interesting] way."
Posted by Jeffrey D. on February 16, 2010 at 4:20 pm | permalink |
I've had very similar ideas on the competition between interesting and happy. I've really liked many of the posts you've done on this topic. I do have a little trouble with #3 and #16. I think of pursuing professional (recognized) excellence as more of a conservative than an open/liberal mindset. And I think the option of either liking this test or being a conservative is a bit of a false choice. The idea you state – happy people are offended by this line of thinking – is probably accurate, but there are many reasons why someone might find this test BS.
Strangely (or not, maybe), just last night I posted a top 10 list that included a previous article of yours on this subject.
I hope you're not ending your posts on this line of thinking.
All the best,
David
Posted by David on February 16, 2010 at 4:41 pm | permalink |
"Fat people are not generally maximizers. And if your friends are not maximizers than you probably aren’t either."
Paging Kevin Smith! Why not link to the research backing up your statement about fatties? You linked to lots of other research so why not for this one?
Posted by Kathy on February 16, 2010 at 4:53 pm | permalink |
What an interesting conversation of comments and responses from this post.
Throwing an opinion out there and a couple simple questions leads to lots of deep (and shallow) thoughts.
Really appreciated stumbling onto this between dealing with a great many (self proclaimed) urgent matters. Always nice to feel a bit of refreshment from seeing how other individuals perspectives differ, or resonate with one's own.
Thank you,
Richard Harbridge
Posted by Richard Harbridge on February 16, 2010 at 5:14 pm | permalink |
There is happiness and there is peace. Happiness is fleeting but peace can be lasting. "Interesting" is usually paired with emotional torment.
In the movie (and I'm assuming, the play) "Wit", the main character is oozing with intersting. However, at the painful end of her life, "interesting" loses value when compared to "happiness" (kindness).
I think in the end, we will all say, forget the world. I just want to be at peace.
Posted by Grace on February 16, 2010 at 5:18 pm | permalink |
Typos make me unhappy, but this applies to me: "Peopel who are interesting but not happy have a point where they need to make sure they are okay."
Posted by viki on February 16, 2010 at 5:51 pm | permalink |
-5. And I think this questionnaire is great. Which already says I prefer interestingness over happiness.
Posted by Isao on February 16, 2010 at 6:03 pm | permalink |
I am definitely intersting and working on the happy. It always amazes me how people like you write such beautiful and heartful post thanks.
Posted by winnie on February 16, 2010 at 6:11 pm | permalink |
A friend and I have had many conversations about happy vs. interesting, and she made the point that for a lot of people, 'interesting' seems to be other-directed. They just want other people to think they're interesting, as if they have something to prove. Just sayin'.
Posted by Joe on February 16, 2010 at 6:19 pm | permalink |
I got exactly zero. I didn't game this, I swear. But I do think it supports my argument that it's possible to have both in equal measure.
Posted by Caitlin @ Roaming Tales on February 16, 2010 at 6:33 pm | permalink |
Also, I think you are conflating being interesting and being interested. The two are not the same, though they can coincide.
Posted by Caitlin @ Roaming Tales on February 16, 2010 at 6:35 pm | permalink |
Don't you just love the word,"conflating"?
Posted by LPC on February 16, 2010 at 7:19 pm | permalink |
Lou Holtz says that happiness is nothing more than havin' a poor memory. I think that sums it up very well.
Posted by Terry Baker on February 16, 2010 at 7:16 pm | permalink |
-1 for me.
I found the exercise interesting. I agree with the assessment. I would call myself "conflicted". On the happiness scale, I'm probably right in the middle. I see that I've spent a lot of time in my life torn between choosing happiness over choosing being interesting. I usually end up choosing happiness and being frustrated about it because I live in an area of maximizers (SF Bay Area). But when I visit other places, (Salt Lake City and Jacksonville & Tampa Bay areas of FL), I think the places are dull and full of uninteresting people.
Posted by mysticaltyger on February 16, 2010 at 7:44 pm | permalink |
I'm sorry I haven't gone back to read all your posts on happiness to see if you've already addressed this, but as someone who is keenly interested in the subject, I think a definition of happiness (and perhaps interesting) is necessary to fully make sense of what you're trying to say. I discuss Jennifer Michael Hecht's definition of happiness in my response to your post (http://everydaybright.com/2010/02/16/changing-happy-to-glad-or-in-this-case-interesting-2/).
Regardless of whether this quiz makes sense or not, I'm grateful for the opportunity to think about it.
Posted by JenG on February 16, 2010 at 9:00 pm | permalink |
You can purchase pairs of eyebrows?
Posted by Bryan on February 16, 2010 at 9:01 pm | permalink |
I love the satisficer/maximiser thing. But I notice you used the word 'optimiser'. Is that another word for maximiser or a third category althogether? Can someone explain?
Posted by Sandy on February 16, 2010 at 9:11 pm | permalink |
It's an error. I somehow got the word optimizer in my head and I can't get it out. I make the error all the time. I am going to change that right now. It should be maximizer. Thanks for noticing.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on February 16, 2010 at 9:45 pm | permalink |
Again, and interesting post prompting lots of emotion. I wish I could have replied sooner, but my days are filled with "interesting" stuff that has to come first, and if I don't get it all done, I WON'T BE HAPPY.
I didn't take the test. I don't take tests like yours because I see happiness coming from a different place. And as others mentioned before me, I also believe that being or having an interesting life is not necessarily a seesaw equation of feeling happy. Or BEING happy.
But what IS happiness? Certainly it's a different mental condition for all of us, generated by thoughts that make feel more in control. At least that's what I think. And so happiness for me is the absence of fear. It's a feeling of freedom that bubbles to the surface on those rare occasions when I don't buy into my own negative projections – when I'm not afraid of the future – when I tap into an inner confidence that intuitively knows that everything is going to be all right – when I am connected to that part of me that is connected to All-That-Is – when I feel empowered because I'm not facing someone who is telling me "no." And hence, when I am feeling free to be ME, without shame or regrets, I lapse into LOVE, and AM in love with those who share my space.
I wish I were happy more often. But I'm not convinced that pursuing happiness as a full time job would bring it into my life. But what if it did? I could be a better husband. A better friend. A better citizen. A better son. Still, I try the old fashioned way, by doing and making things I am proud of, by trying to do the "right thing," by helping others. And yet, I know there are people who don't dwell on any of this philosophy and are perfectly contented individuals. Maybe they have found the secret of happiness and don't have to work for it. Or maybe they were just born that way – happy. It doesn't really matter. They are my beacon of hope. And I'm so glad I am married to one.
Posted by Irv Podolsky on February 16, 2010 at 9:22 pm | permalink |
-5 Definitely agree am much more interested in being interesting than I am with purely being happy. If I wanted to be happy I would have been it by now; much more challenging to be interesting than happy.
Posted by Richard Ring on February 16, 2010 at 9:31 pm | permalink |
Fun test, P. I'm a -3.
It seems to me that your classification between interesting and happy is similar (and has similar definition misunderstandings) to the MBTI labels (I'm an ESFJ).
Just because you are an introvert doesn't mean you can't be outgoing – it just means that you gain energy from being alone. Just because you are a thinker doesn't mean that you are heartless – it just means that logic drives your decision making.
Similarly, just because you are interesting, doesn't mean that you are miserable – it just means that you base your life decisions on opportunities to increase your interestingness ;-).
Posted by Elizabeth on February 16, 2010 at 9:40 pm | permalink |
Tongue-in-cheek: The idea of a whole bunch of fat, religious, diversity averse, Christian, republican homebodies with bushy eyebrows setting the upper limit for people who strive to be happy is a little scary ;-).
Posted by Elizabeth on February 16, 2010 at 9:42 pm | permalink |
Test worked for me – it says I'm balanced – which I work on, opine about, research and get on a soap box about often. However, coming from an A-type personality who was all about career for so many years – it is causing an identity crisis…seriously!
Posted by Leanne Chase - LeanneCLC on February 16, 2010 at 9:46 pm | permalink |
It seems to me that your distinction is similar to those (also misunderstood) in the MBTI (I'm an ESFJ).
In the MBTI, just because you are an introvert doesn't mean that you are antisocial – it just means that you most often gain your energy from being alone. Or just because you are a thinker doesn't mean that you are heartless – it just means that you prefer to use logic to drive your decisions.
So… Just because you are interesting doesn't mean you are miserable. It just means that you prefer to use happiness as a driver for your life decisions.
Just a question, though. You said in your last happiness post that marriage pretty much trumps everything else. Does that mean you've decided to give up the marriage chase?
Posted by Elizabeth on February 16, 2010 at 10:26 pm | permalink |
I scored as interesting.
I am happy.
I am happy because I'm interesting.
But seriously, this post has been in my head the whole day. I always try to be happy but I find myself to care more about the interesting.
Posted by Eric on February 16, 2010 at 10:51 pm | permalink |
I hate the word interesting.
But when there's genuine evidence that people find me interesting, it makes me happy.
I think I am at least a bit interesting, even if I do, at first glance, fall into an easily identifiable stereotype, or two.
Penelope, you've said before that everyone has *something* interesting about them, it might just take a while to find it.
When given the choice I suppose I choose a more interesting/risky over a more happy/safe. I'm not happy, but I have not yet despaired of being both quite interesting and at least reasonably happy.
INTP
Posted by -5 on February 16, 2010 at 10:54 pm | permalink |
I don't now about the quiz, I didn't take it. But I'm so glad you included the link to your Christmas post which you wrote just before I started reading you.
From now on, no matter what you say that infuriates me or makes me write a long comment in my head disagreeing with every single thing you've said that particular day, I will always, always love you for giving eloquent voice to everything I've ever thought about Christmas in America. All the negative comments confirm that you were right.
BTW, I'm writing this comment as a reminder to myself for the next time. I'll be bookmarking it right after I hit submit.
Posted by Becca on February 16, 2010 at 11:25 pm | permalink |
Each to their own. Penelope's annual rants about Christmas irritate me because my personal experience is that it's a far more culturally and religiously diverse holiday than she gives it credit for. I know plenty of Jews and practising Buddhists and atheists who observe Christmas as a cultural festival. And the roots of most Christmas celebrations predate Christianity.
But then, I have the privilege of not belonging to a minority group (I'm not really Christian but my grandparents were), so I also appreciate the chance to listen to another point of view.
Posted by Caitlin @ Roaming Tales on February 17, 2010 at 10:37 am | permalink |
My first visit to this blog. I must say that the quiz AND this post only makes me want to analyse this. I'll stop by later to find out what type I am…
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Posted by Shruthi on February 17, 2010 at 12:24 am | permalink |
The scoring system made my head hurt so I stopped keeping score. I'm pretty sure that means I'm not a maximizer.
Posted by melanie gao on February 17, 2010 at 3:26 am | permalink |
A compelling topic, for sure. Also check out Stumbling Into Happiness by Dr. Gilbert who explores the nature of happiness and explains the numerous psychological illusions that tend to distort our perception of joy.
You would do future readers a favor by clearly restating the scoring instructions. If the answer isn't +1 or – 1, is it then 0?
I relocated far from family, earning far more than your benchmark to work as the first foreign female executive for a South Korean company. While no one would deny that my life has been interesting, in the long run this role had its ups and downs, and the only thing that has kept me happy are the friends, both Korean and Western whose relationships I cherish. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and this quiz. Don't we all love to take them?
Posted by Linda on February 17, 2010 at 3:46 am | permalink |
very interesting, i like question 16 haha
Posted by adelaide dancing on February 17, 2010 at 4:00 am | permalink |
X'D!!
I scored -2…
…suspiciously well balanced but dangerously inclined to have a desire for interestingness over happiness :P
I think it's kind of correct.
But it feels nice to have an outside (and kind of neutral) feedback on it :PpP.
Posted by Sarah on February 17, 2010 at 4:32 am | permalink |
Dear Penelope – that was fun – especially like your comments about why we go to a therapist, having only this week returned after a 10 yr hiatus (and as you say – just to check my status – in my case to make sure I am dealing with this end of the 22 yr relationship thing OK – I am! The spontaneous weeping is all part of the natural mourning process and I can get chemical help for that.)$200 jeans? I think it's time I gave them a try! Oh and I counted you as one of my Jewish friends. Keep up the great writing! xx Deborah
Posted by Deborah on February 17, 2010 at 4:57 am | permalink |
Penelope,
Your post on "happiness" is disturbing. I am a graduate student at the University of Pennsylvania, where I study the science of well-being, conduct and publish empirical research on the subject, teach this science at the university level, etc. With all due respect, the majority of the claims you stated in this post are inaccurate; some of which, are harmful. The average (and even above-average) person does not read the research published in journals. Henceforth, the information that some people are reading are your claims. And, your claims are clearly (as I, or any other scientist in this field knows) quite limited due to the inaccurate research you present. The reason I choose to respond to this post is because of the harm to others that could ensue if people believe the claims you make, in addition to your enormous leaps in logic. Claiming something to be a fact without thoroughly researching the subject–especially in the field of psychology is morally wrong. The human brain, emotions, cognitions, and subsequent behaviors of human beings are fragile. I strongly urge you to be more cautious. For example, invalid and unsound quotes derived from sources such as Psychology Today is simply absurd, and frankly, stupid. (Come on–you seem to be an intelligent woman, and you're quoting PT as a reference?!) The problem is, your voice may be listened to, taken as "fact" by those who are less educated than yourself, and this has the potential to be misinterpreted–just like self-help books–which can be harmful. (Read the abundance of research on this fact). There is a science to the topic of well-being (which you wrongly call "happiness"–which, is a concept, rather than a construct that has an operational definition that can be measured) that you are writing about. As somebody who cares about the well-being of others, and the dissemination of evidence that is statistically significant and has been empirically replicated–I urge you to reconsider writing about your "obsession." Obsessions are actually disorders. Please, while your writing is provocative–and yes, you may tally up more readers for your blog by talking about a popular topic of interest to most human beings–the accurate findings on this subject are more provocative–because they are supported by evidence. If you truly want to help & give to other human beings–do your research. Find evidence that comes from reputable sources, has been replicated–or ask somebody who knows how to analyze a complex 4-way ANOVA using a multiple regression analysis to educate you. Human beings are complex and fragile psychological creatures. Please, please…be more careful.
Thank you, in advance, for your consideration.
Ev
Posted by Emily on February 17, 2010 at 5:33 am | permalink |
If PT (around here that's Penelope Trunk, not Psychology Today) was more careful, this would be just another unknown blog. We loyal readers are here only for her considerable entertainment value. We are well aware that her scientific research consists of Google searches for links that superficially support her outrageous assertions. (Sometimes they don't even do that, and she links them anyway, assuming that nobody really checks.)
In short, anyone who takes her seriously already has problems.
Posted by Brad on February 17, 2010 at 6:16 am | permalink |
…come on…:|
Posted by Sarah on February 17, 2010 at 8:19 am | permalink |
come on was referred to you, Emily – and I TOTALLY agree with Brad :P !
Posted by Sarah on February 17, 2010 at 8:22 am | permalink |
Oddly I scored a -5 and I'm happy about that.
Posted by Amanda Hite @sexythinker on February 17, 2010 at 6:02 am | permalink |
Comlete BS.
I used to have a boring life and I was VERY unhappy. In fact it was so bad that I thought happiness was absolutely unattainable.
Now it's far more exciting and I've come to realize that happiness is possible. I get through a busy day, stop and think, "Wow. I'm happy now."
Some people need the excitement and sense of accomplishment that comes from having an interesting life.
For me interesting = happiness.
Posted by Natalie on February 17, 2010 at 6:07 am | permalink |
I agree. I think Penelope thinks that happiness equals contentment, which I don't think is necessarily the case at all. To me, contentment is a general attitude about your life, while happiness is an emotion and throughout the course of the day I might be happy, angry, jealous, sad etc. I would describe myself as a happy person because those bouts of happiness or joy are frequent and my experience of negative emotions is infrequent. That has nothing to do with whether I am generally contented – there are many areas of my life where I am a maximiser or striving for improvement. I am also a big traveller, which I think is all about maximising. However, Penelope is absolutely right about marriage – I experience these bouts of happiness largely because of my wonderful partner.
Posted by Caitlin @ Roaming Tales on February 17, 2010 at 10:33 am | permalink |
I think this is a shallow and biased view on happiness. It is clear you did research, but did you consider the potential harm you can cause by doling out inaccuracies as fact?
People who are unhappy and reading your post could interpret this as a list of to-do items. Spending more time with your family and not obsessing about your eyebrows are fine; but quitting one's job, giving up on ambition, abandoning your opinions and appreciation of art, severing ties with friends of differing faith, joining a faith, joining a different political group – these are drastic and potentially dangerous that could push a depressed person deeper into their hole.
I take particular issue with your comments on therapy. How can you generalize a form of medicine as superficial ego boosters? Seeing a therapist does not make you unhappy. If a person sees a therapist, they are not doomed to a life of despair. Please do not discredit a profession biased on helping people.
The internet is made for people to express their opinion, but you have stated your opinion in the form of fact. This is unprofessional and given the subject matter, unethical. Stick with tips on writing a better resume and leave psychology to people who know what they are talking about.
Life does not fit neatly into a box and happiness is not defined by multiple choice questions.
Posted by Rachel on February 17, 2010 at 6:46 am | permalink |
Seems to me what kind of ruins this whole exercise is the fact that, while happiness may have some objectivity to it, interestingness is a pretty subjective thing.
Posted by Jon on February 17, 2010 at 7:26 am | permalink |
Do you think this applies to country living? I find a lot of your concepts hard to follow, mostly because I don't live in an area where people value some of the things you mention. I don't know a single person who has ever spent $70 on eye brows.. or even a hair cut for that matter. I've never even lived on a paved road. I'm happy..but I do realize my life is not overly interesting.
I think for me it's hard to believe (though I know it to be true) that city people put so much value on material things and appearance. I like to look nice..but $70 can almost pay my light bill ;) I'll pluck, thanks :)
Love your blog. Totally different than anything else I've read!
Posted by Heidi on February 17, 2010 at 7:43 am | permalink |
I see you're still trying to justify your unhappiness by rationalizing that you're "interesting" instead. I can't say I've ever met a miserable person that was interesting. Usually they're self absorbed – People who GIVE are the ones who are most happy in life.
Posted by Sara on February 17, 2010 at 9:30 am | permalink |
Yes, this. Exactly.
Posted by Caitlin @ Roaming Tales on February 17, 2010 at 10:39 am | permalink |
Amen to that! Oh wait, can I say amen? This isn't a Christian country after all…
Posted by Sarah Protzman on February 17, 2010 at 3:01 pm | permalink |
Happiness for me is the capability of making every day enjoyable, no matter what else happens. A sunny day, some time spent in enjoyable company, a nice book, a good day at work, some good jokes – it doesn't have to be in the big things like big career, being every day madly in love etc. Even when it is those, it's usually easy to see in smaller things. Some nice time spent with the loved ones, a happy customer at work.. those are my ways of making the life happy.
Those things are usually really small, even when everything is otherwise fine.
And I guess the happiness as I see it helps balance the score I otherwise had (pretty neutral). I'd think I'd be tempted to see some of the plus points as being shallow, superficial or lazy rather as profoundly happy…
Finland on the list of the happiest countries? The country that traditionally tops the list of countries with the highest rates of suicides? The country with still very homogenous and homogeneously thinking population, long, sun-deprived winters, and summers with all-night-sun and no blinds for windows, and a saying they have over there more or less as 'whoever is happy, hide your happiness'? After having lived in that country, no, the country or the people in there don't strike to me as particularly happy ones.
Posted by Anna on February 17, 2010 at 10:23 am | permalink |
I read it….but didn't bother to keep score…hmmm…guess I'm more happy than interestng :)and I'm perfectly ok with that…lol
Posted by kim on February 17, 2010 at 10:49 am | permalink |
I like you Penenlope…I don't always agree with your rational of things but you're "take" is refreshing and outside the box…widening…I always read your blurbs…and take something interesting from them…and I think that inside of that ~ you're interesting…and you seem happy….you're honesty and questioning shows that..
Posted by kim on February 17, 2010 at 10:52 am | permalink |
This does seem a lot like rationalizing choices that have made you unhappy. The notion that being unhappy makes you more interesting is complete and utter BS — and no, that doesn't make me uninteresting to say that.
Also, I've never met an interesting person who proclaims themself to be interesting — I feel like you've written this piece to be incendiary, not insightful.
Posted by Anthony on February 17, 2010 at 11:45 am | permalink |
…Penelope Trunk: 'People with interesting lives…
I've often written the following statement, which I acknowledge is grammatically incorrect:
"I like interesting people, and I hope one day to become one."
Any suggestions on a correct yet equally-succinct way of saying that?
Posted by Master of None on February 17, 2010 at 11:52 am | permalink |
"I like interesting people, and I hope one day to be one of them"?
You're right; becoming a people is perhaps too ambitious even for readers of this blog. :-)
Posted by sabrina on February 17, 2010 at 5:52 pm | permalink |