Forget the bikini wax thing — go with laser treatments down there!! After one of two times you never have to worry about it ever again AND it hurt WAY less than a bikini wax! ;)

Tooth whitening is 1) valuable and 2) painful. I got mine whitened when I noticed that thanks to years of coffee, tea and red wine I was a little dingy when others were so very white. Got the trays to wear at night at home from my dentist - teeth look great, but the bleach burned my gums and I had tooth aches (sharp aches) from the bleach on tissue that kept me up at night. On a scale of 1 to 10 the pain was 25. I don’t ever want to retouch again, though I probably will. Ugh.

That all sounds like so much fun, Penelope. I agree completely about not letting people know you’re going to be on TV until it has aired and you know you didn’t screw it up. That’s my policy too. Anyway, good luck with the reality show (let me know the details when you have them, I would love to help promote it).

Best,
Alexandra Levit

2. You should spend money on your career
even if you don’t have any

You’re kidding right?

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If you think of your career like it’s your business, then it makes total sense. Think of it the opposite way: Entrepreneurs borrow money against equity all the time. That’s what you do when you put a training class on your credit card. It’s a bet on yourself. You factor the interest into your ability to leverage the training to earn more money. And you factor in the time you would lose waiting to save the money — maybe you could use that time to get training and then earn double what you’re earning now and cover the interest and still have money left over.

–Penelope

This has been a hard lesson for me to learn and I’m still working hard to learn it. Ugh. I’m such a cheapskate that I struggle with understanding that being cheap isn’t always the smart way to do things.

That is your most entertaining post in a long time. I think you would be great on a TV reality show…especially with expensive hair and teeth. I am assuming you did not need the bikini wax for the TV appearance, or was it some late night cable show? he he.

The strong lesson for your readers in this post is that even if you blunder a little, it will not derail your career. The important thing is to put yourself out there.

Teeth whitening is dangerous - it strips the natural enamel on your teeth and makes them more prone to decay. Please don’t get addicted to this!

IMHO the time might have been more profitably spent making sure that you did your homework and knew your stuff so that you could talk sensibly about the topic at hand. I’m not suggesting that grooming and style is not important - it is - but substance and content is important too.

As for spending money when you don’t have it, I agree that you should invest in your career, but there needs to be balance. Maybe you should get a haircut before a job interview and wear a nice suit, but maybe you can forgo the beauty treatment and borrow a nice briefcase from a friend. If you’ve got the money for the works, then fine, but moderation is important if you’re on a budget. Distinguishing between wants and needs and between nice-to-haves and genuine investments is important.

Outstanding example of why you were dropped from Yahoo!

Good Luck on your interview - Interesting post and I think everyone could afford to spend some money on their career. Anything from resume writing service, management recruiters, or just taking a class here and there to brush up. I should practice what I preach though…I’ve been close to getting some help but have yet to pull the trigger.

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Thanks, Matt. These are all good examples of good places to spend money.

–Penelope

A reality show with Penelope Trunk. One only needs to have had a converation with you on the phone to know what an entertaining thing that would be, especially when you learn after the fact that you’re the type prone to jumping jacks and headstands while on the phone. Hope that works out!

I love the part about your career being a small business you should invest in. Money, time, strategy. Invest in it.

Why did I enjoy this post so much? I think because it was all just you and your personal life and not you thinking that you have your finger on the pulse of every generation that has ever lived.

I think you should turn this whole thing more personal like this and dole out advice. Ask Penelope has a much better ring to it that Brazen Careerist, I think.

Umm definitely don’t Botox your lips. Botox is a poison you inject in your facial muscles to relax them so you don’t show wrinkles.

For what it’s worth, I think people who inject their lips (with collagen) look really weird.

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I really appreciate that there is such quality knowledge in this community about injections. I like that blogging helps me learn things I never even knew I needed to learn. Thanks, Libby.

–Penelope

I have just read an article in an Brazilian magazine, actually, I am Brazilian and I recognized myself in your text… At his moment I have a crucial decision to make: option to back to corporate life in an office at regular and extensive day work or starting a master’s degree in business administration in a very outstanding school that I have succeed been approved. This doubt is beyond financial issues – not only – but of be afraid to regret for not trying this challenge…I have to confess I have had a traditional carrier and I am trying to move to a different one that I can feel totally accomplishment.

Outstanding example of why Yahoo! are idiots.

I like how your departure from Yahoo has freed you up to be even less self-censoring.

Nice! Now you’ve got some personal finance bloggers involved (Single Ma) - I’m always kind of partly annoyed by personal finance bloggers. But that’s okay, to each their own.

I’m not going to lie though - one of my first thoughts when you had mentioned money or lack thereof, was ‘didn’t she at one point make a lot of money and save?!’ - then again, you’ve definitely been investing heavily in yourself in 2007, and that outflow could very well have drained you.

And Stan Melfine sure is a fan of yours to follow you from Yahoo just to come down on you. ha!

I have to agree with Penelope’s statement “You should spend money on your career even if you don’t have any.”

I worked retail for almost a year after graduating college — not at all what I had expected after my $75K education. Finally, I decided to join a professional association within my chosen field, which I had balked at for several months due to the membership and seminar fees.

At the very first seminar I attended, I got a lead for a full-time job that launched my career and shortly afterwards, my own business. I would never have learned about the job opening had I not spent the money to advance my career.

Sometimes it doesn’t matter if you are right or wrong, that was a great posting.

I’m not one of the Yahoo-style Penelope haters, but this made me cringe: “The producer said he googled something like Obama generation y business and my blog came up, so he called to interview me about politics. I bungled a bunch of questions, like I mispronounced Kucinich’s name. Twice. And I predicted the New Hampshire primary to go to Obama after that had already not happened.” It’s a sad commentary on journalism and faux expertise. I know it’s good for your career to get yourself out there as much as possible, but it doesn’t help our larger society when uninformed people are given a prominent platform to spout off on things well outside their area of expertise. Stick to what you know (which also, apparently, is not dermatology — one would never inject Botox into their lips; you’re thinking of collagen).

This also makes no sense: “You should tell people you are on TV, but only after the fact because then if you screw up, no one knows.” In an age of YouTube, that’s patently untrue.

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I hear you on the political expertise. You’ll never hear me predicting an election again.
Re YouTube. I’ve been on TV a lot, and I can find video versions of it online less than 10% of the time.
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–Penelope

you should spend money on your career! One of the investments I made was grad school a huge 50k investment.

Of course, I was sure that I wanted to stay in the field, which is different from most people deciding to stay to do graduate school since they are scared of working or exploring the real world.

The number of opportunities and advancement has opened way up since i finished grad school!

Totally hear you on invest in yourself to put your best foot forward. I’ve just started a new gig and I know that I need to hit the ground running with a decent suit and the best shoes I can afford. If I don’t invest I’ll feel crummy going in, people will pick up the vibe, and course correction with your personal brand later on is not easy.

Outstanding example of how some Yahoo! folks don’t get it.

I entirely agree with your thesis about investing in yourself and thinking hard about self presentation. That’s why you’re on my RSS feeds.

Should you ever want quick, cheap teeth whitening again, I have a hack. If you take one of the Whitestrips kits from the drugstore and apply all of the strips in two days (as opposed to the 7 or 14 that you’re supposed to do) you get whiter teeth for around $30. But, ah, don’t do this often, of course, since it makes your teeth sore and so probably isn’t good for them. However, my dentist didn’t remark that my enamel had deteriorated, so I’m assuming it’s not too bad. Try at your own risk, of course.

Crest White Strips from the Dentist’s Office (stronger variety) work for me, but leave my teeth raw.

For a cheap whitening fix, I prefer Go Smile tubes, which whiten as well as Crest but do not hurt my teeth (except perhaps by stripping the enamel away, but I only use then once a year, max)(http://www.gosmile.com)

What you really should do is shell out the money at the dentist’s office to get them whitened with the laser-light machine. It is the most expensive of all methods ($1k) but it takes an hour or two and is most effective and permanent. If you can’t find a reputable dentist in Madison, go to Chicago. No need to go to LA for beauty treatments!

Don’t botox your lips. Just use a nude lip pencil, nudish lipstick, and lots of gloss. I like Chanel liptsick in tempt and gloss in magnifique.

People who get obvious plastic surgery (and I think botoxed lips are almost always obvious) look like a new kind of “youthful” and “pretty” that our society is inventing. That is, they don’t actually look youthful (you can tell they’re old) or pretty (you can tell they look the way they look because of plastic surgery, not nature). It creeps me out.

The other danger from teeth whitening is the increased risk of oral cancer. You’re exposing your mucus membranes to a highly caustic level of peroxide. Better to rinse your mouth daily with a low dose of hydrogen peroxide (drugstore grade diluted by half) rather than run the risk; plus, it lowers the chances of gum disease if you do it after flossing.

Do whatever you want, people are over dramatic. Everything is bad for you. The Key is moderation. And, I know it was said before, but you wouldn’t Botox your lips, you could get restalin which is a lip plumper but it isn’t permanant or collagen, Collagen looks kind of fake though.

I want to know what place did such a bad job so I don’t go there! I live in Madison as well.

As someone who has seen you live. You will be terrific. I hope all goes well. I agree with your image consultant. You are in front of TV, it is the face and the image. If you are behind the scene on the phone, than having voice training is important. It is how you are presented to the actual customers in this case the TV guests and audience. Spending money on teeth and hair when you are on TV is no difference than someone spending money on coffee because to them coffee will make them think better for the day. Hey, I buy a new shirt and a tie (well I go to TJMax) to get one every semester. It makes me feel like a new beginning. Just remember your first day of school and for us Chinese, during the first day of Chinese New Year, you are expected to wear everything new.

Have fun in LA.. definitely beats the snow in Madison right now. Let us know when it is going live. I would definitely watch Reality Channel more often. And while you are there.. are there going to put you in Nip/Tuck or Dr 90210?

I’ll echo Terrence. Having seen you speak on the subject of self-branding at BlogHer, I totally agree that a reality show with you on it would be vastly entertaining (and informative). Too bad I don’t have a TV — here’s hoping they stream it!

I can’t understand how the thought of whitening your teeth bothers you more than coloring your hair? You should read “Going Gray” by Anne Kreamer it give great insight into the misnomer of “letting yourself go”. And the marketing machines that feed us all false insecurities on aging. Try some peroxide. On your teeth not your hair.

Having lived in Chicago and in L.A. - Chicago does not come close in terms of beauty services. Probably because *everybody* in L.A. goes to those services ;)

As for the lips - stay away from injections unless you desperately need them. VS has a very nice lip plumper, if you really need to have more lips after the bleach debacle ;)

And if you need any help in L.A. drop a note - always happy to help out a fellow blogger.

As you probably well know, at least 50% of any program on television is about entertainment, and that’s being generous. Being memorable is far more important than being knowledgeable. I wouldn’t worry to much about any little gaffes–if you are a good fit for the show (and don’t go all Rosie O’Donnell crazy), then you will do fine. Or maybe you should. That would be memorable.

Heeeheeeheee. I just read some of the comments above about Botox injections in your lips (I didn’t catch that when I read the article). I’m just imagining how the interview would have gone…
“Please tell us about Obama’s appeal to generation Y voters”.
“Wrrrw, oy dynk hre uhpweows thoo zjgenawashun Wyyy omn mawnee wevohs”…
Sorry–got the giggles.

Apparently it’s also very hard to stay on top of all things Hollywood: The namesake of your temporary pout would be “Angelina,” not “Angela,” Jolie.

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Oh. Thanks for the correction.

-Penelope

Sorry Penelope…I was horrified by this post.

If you don’t have money, you can’t spend it, so don’t spend it. If you are telling me to take out a loan (via credit card or mother) just to get my teeth whitened, remind me never to take financial advice from you. Better advice is to polish your shoes not buy new ones.

Blogging on the workplace clearly doesn’t qualify you to express opinions about politics given your lack of knowledge.

Good career advice sometimes means knowing what you’re good at and sticking to it.

Penelope,

Thoroughly enjoyed this post! And agreed with it as well. Fingers are crossed that the reality TV gig works out for you.

Don’t forget to stay up on political matters too! :)

Get yourself some feeds from some of the mainstream news outlets (AP, NYTimes, Washington Post), but also visit some of the big liberal blogs like DailyKos.com and Counterpunch.com. I personally like informationclearinghouse.info. Try looking for stories that combine your specialty of career advice with politics, like the current job outlook and the cost of living.

Nice lips and teeth are good, but they’re not going to save you from another gaffe like the one you made concerning Obama winning the New Hampshire primary AFTER Clinton won it. LOL That might work a couple more times, but after a while, they’ll start to notice such blunders.

They WILL notice if you’re right AND have a well-formulated opinion on something. :)

I’m wondering if you are a sincere person or if these blogs (or whatever you call them) are like everything else these days…designed to be overly clever, witty, sharp, but essentially pointless. I stumbled onto your articles via another article and because my chidlren are in their twenties I began reading them. Since I’m a clock-in and clock-out minimum wage worker, they rarely apply to me but I worry, will my children (after college–and no, they don’t get to stay in college forever living off of “Mom’s Dime,” she only has so many) sound so pompous, so ridicously self absorbed, or am I missing something in these articles that is for real? Sometimes you make good points but mostly, you seem silly, not related to actual life. I keep reading though, because I am hoping to find an article that shows that you’re a nice person. In your picture you seem quite pleasant, but your words seem sad and confused and even quite hurt–when reading between the lines–and I feel as though you use this space to express that without actually expressing it. My apologies if I am wrong.

I’d love to get more food for thought about spending money on one’s “career enhancers”. All the finance guru’s talk save, save, save. I have become a cheapstake too like one of the posters above. I take pride in not needing a lot of things. But how/when do you know that you’re not wasting money but investing… can’t this be said about everything? After all, buying unnecessary but pleasant things are investments: they make you happier and a happier person is more successful etc etc. I hear you, I know you’re right to an extent but I’m conflicted about it. I just don’t know whether an expensive haircut will make me more successful. Is it really the haircut or knowing that you’ve just had an expensive haircut specifically for getting ahead in life and that shows and you do get ahead in life? I mean how does that work really? I think this issue deserves another separate post.

Shallow. I would like to see you move past your own appearance (you dwell) and your individual and changing (day to day) circumstances as the reference point for all “advice.” Barbizon School of Modeling offers the same advice. So what? what is a goods investment or bad? Not what did YOU choose? Dang, that’s all this gets down to.

BOTOX GOES IN YOUR FACE, not in your lips. That would be restylane, collagen, etc.

If you are really considering this, google images of:

Janice Dickinson
Jessica Simpson
Meg Ryan
Mirina Sirtis

or go here: http://awfulplasticsugery.com

Holy moly. People take things awfully seriously here. These people are like Digg commentors! My God, relax. It’s just a blog post.

FWIW, I liked it. And I’d love to know the difference between a Madison bikini wax and an LA one, but somehow, I doubt that’s going to make it into a follow-up. :)

You’re so cute. Keep crankin’ out your insightful tips. I totally get where you come from in all of your articles. Forget the stupid commentors.

P, you say what I wish I could say online to these corporate ladder climbing suckups who are too serious for the air the rest of us breathe but my real name much like yours is soo…unique I’m sure I’d get real hate mail or worse.

Keep doing you sweetie.

Blah, blah, blah, blah. I’m sick of these veggie-weilding, patcholi-packing, eco-warrioring hippies weighing in on peroxide/whitening/darkening/colouring/injecting/plumping when it’s completely besides the point. Bugger off, you holier than thou twats. You’ve totally missed the point of this post. Argh. A person can’t even post about grooming/personal hygeine without it somehow becoming political/ecological/environmental. The woman wanted white teeth. Get over it.

I laughed out loud at this post. Hilarious. Teeth whitening in SoCal, like other cosmetics, is done to extreme. My local newscasters teeth are so white that they burned an image on my plasma TV.

If someone was to spend money before an interview, I would say go for Botox. Done well (read: by a derm or plastic surgeon) it can make them look 5 to 10 years younger. It needs to be injected about 2-3 weeks before that big interview though, because it takes that long to work.

Not to be mean, but I laughed out loud at the comment upbraiding Penelope for lack of seriousness because, “Intelligent commentary is more important (on tv).”

If you are a law school professor, yes. What you say is more important than how you say it. And your words will be suspect if you are someone who looks like she (especially if you are a she!) has spent time and money on appearance-enhancers.

Outside the ivory tower, teeth whitening and other such enhancers have become the class dividers. The small tells that people use to divide the haves from the have-nots. Haves get hired for high-level jobs. Have-nots stay on a different track.

Having your resume professionally done is one of the best investments. Luckily I had a seasoned HR executive as a friend who did mine for free :) After using the new resume I received SO many more calls that it would’ve been worth $150-200 bucks.

Penelope, your post reminds me that we all have to stay open to suggestion in order to expand. Saying this, I have to state that I think you look completely uber-ready for anything that television could throw your way. Regardless of what happens with the TV option, you’re a real force in the movement of the switched-on crowd around the globe. You don’t really need TV, you’re a brand of your own.
Dorky as is sounds, thanks for being you…keep doing that and we all benefit and grow from it.
Tony Tallent

Penelope:

If teeth-whitening were essential to TV careers, most British people would have none (TV careers I mean, not teeth). British people have the most god-awful teeth anywhere in the world.

There are other essentials for preparing for TV or any other mass medium in my view.

It is largely about the subject matter one will talk about. If it is a finance or politics programme, I - and I imagine most viewers - would prefer informed and timely commentary from an ugly presenter with thin or thinning lips, for all the whitened teeth in LA.

Also, personality must match presentation. I often see very perked-up, well-dressed and groomed people and the problem is evident when they speak. They have awful voices, poor voice modulation and whiny high-pitched tones. Half the time, I am trying to save my ear-drums from collapse. In the absence of any substance, it would very hard to motivate myself to listen to such people.

Just my tuppence.

Hi Penelope,

Being in full view, even on tape, is hard. You can do it.

Please consider thinking about another alternative for your future: forecasting.

Please contact me if you want a perspective.

In any case, “move on”, don’t despair, you have created more friends and allies than you can imagine.

Dan

PS - “I wonder if you are a sincere person…”

I wonder who would psychoanalyze an internet commentator? What on earth?

I discovered your post by accident last month and was so intrigued that I have been reading past ones. As a baby boomer I wondered about the ideas you present -they sound so foreign to me - so I asked my 23 year old daughter. She agreed with many of the things you say and quoted examples from her work life. So this baby boomer will keep reading this totally new viewpoint and perhaps expand my own horizons.

I have just now found your blog! I enjoy your style and sense of humor! I’ll be reading on a regular basis!

> As a baby boomer I wondered about the ideas you
> present -they sound so foreign to me - so I
> asked my 23 year old daughter. She agreed with
> many of the things you say and quoted examples
> from her work life.

Good idea. Particularly tell your daughter to pay attention to ones like don’t come in on time, take long lunches and unannounced vacations, and flirt with coworkers. That will get her fired extra-fast!

The TV industry is one of the only ones that can discriminate based on your appearance. It’s common knowledge that viewers would rather look at someone attractive than non-attractive when the credentials are the same. I can see why you would want to whiten your teeth or get your hair done. There are many ways to get around it though if you don’t have the money. You’re teeth will look whiter with red lipstick on and you can get your makeup done at the MAC counter for free. Wearing red also looks great on TV, too.

As for spending a small fortune on teeth whitening and botox, my suggestion would be to do one at a time and consider it a “reward” for accomplishing milestones, like getting the job. It’s not an investment if you don’t get the TV gig.

I’m a frugal person in general…I would never pay someone to do chores for me (at least not at the going rates around here), and I am extremely suspicious of any scheme that is sold to me as an “investment in my career.” But if somebody suggested a $400 teeth whitening might make the difference in landing a gig as the host of a reality TV show…that’s a no-brainer.

There are some “investments” that are really “probability enhancers” whereas others require more more effort from you than simply paying the bill. Joining a networking group is only a good idea if you actually use it to network. It’s obvious, but an important thing to ask yourself when someone advises you to spend money on something as a career investment: Are you willing to put in the effort to make it work? If not, don’t waste your money. Teeth whitening is great: all you have to do is sit through it. But it’s only relevant for TV…unless your teeth are so bad people can’t stop looking at them!

I absolutely agree with the point that sometimes you need to tangibly invest in your career to take it to the next level. I’m extremely frugal so it is difficult for me to accept this advice but it is consistent with what I have found in my own career.

An interesting corollary is that when you pay for the investment yourself you have a built-in incentive to ensure you receive a return. For example, when your company sends you to a training course you might be tempted to goof off or view it as a nice “break” from your real job. But if you’re physically writing the check or paying the credit card bill for the training you are more apt to ensure that you take follow-up actions that will turn it into a new job or advancement opportunity.

What’s wrong with Crest whitening strips? I use them (only $50 at Costco for a month’s worth), and they work.

I hear you on the “invest in yourself” thing but hmmmm…I would not have done professional teeth whitening @ $400 a pop…especially if I didn’t have the money…may be just me?

This was funny. A good post!

PT,

Hang in there! I don’t agree with you to often and your narcissism kills me but keep at it!

A mother would wonder if this was sincere. I have four boys all either this age, or about to be this age–either in college or headed that way. This is the first time I’ve ever read an “internet commentator” and I honestly don’t know. Is this generation one that thinks only certain questions are okay? I taught my children that no question was dumb, all questions were necessary and valid. So, I asked a simple, honest question, that’s all. And yes, right here on earth.

Would you say the expenditure on the public speaking coach was worthwhile? (I ask because I hear you are an excellent speaker: I don’t know how much of that is natural and how much learned.)

You almost have to invest in tooth whitening and Botox for television. You did the right thing — but I’m sorry about the pain. L.A. next time, right?

Good Luck with your TV opportunity! Trust yourself and your friend’s advice..You haven’t done and accomplished what you have by being dumb! Been reading you since 2003 and you only get better!!!!You go girl!!!!

Hey Penelope! I just found a video of you on NBC Milwaukee and can’t WAIT to go home and watch it tonight!

Do you know about lip-plumping lip balm?? It irritates your lips and makes them puff up. Actually, I think I need some myself. I just saw myself on TV and could not BELIEVE how thin my lips were. You can click this link to see for yourself (that’s me at 1:28)!

Sheesh, you’re not too self-absorbed, are you? Inane drivel.

I couldn’t agree with you more on spending money you “don’t have” when you aren’t working.

I thought I would be slick and cut costs when I was unemployed by signing up for one of the free haircuts on Craigslist. Little did I know that signing up for a “creative cut” would result in the left side of my head looking like Sinead O’Connor combined with longer hair on the right side and a modern version of a rat tail (which I liked to call “the waterfall” since it was as wide as it was long) hanging at the nape of my neck.

Needless to say, I didn’t schedule any interviews for a LONG time after that happened.

Actually this should be posted to your divorce post, but anyways, I just wanted to say that the only thing in life that is steady is the Good Lord and His promises. That’s why, although I’m young, I just want to follow Him so I can have some stability in this life because I know by default I resort to the total opposite. It provides for good balance, and still room for plenty of excitement. :) I also wanted to express my condolences for the divorce- =( …I’ve been following your story for a while now and I love authenticity of your writing. And I also wanted to say that God loves you still!

Best,

M

So whatever happened with the hosting gig? I found your blog after doing a Google search for hosting auditions, since I, too, would like to get such a gig. I’ve only been on auditions in New York and Philadelphia so far, with no call backs and no luck. I hope your outcome was better.
Leah