Now that I'm not the CEO of Brazen Careerist, I don't have to be the national cheerleader for Generation Y. I fantasized about this moment for years: the moment when I'd write the post titled, 10 Things I Hate about Generation Y.
But it's hard to hate people you hang out with all the time, and the truth is, I've spent the last ten years being a Gen Xer surrounded by Gen Yers. The pinnacle, I thought, was me spending my days fighting with Ryan Healy about work. But in fact, it turns out the pinnacle of my education on Gen Y is my arguments with Melissa about her peers that end in snippy impasse.

Sometimes, I think Gen Y is lame and she won't admit to it.
But, I find, as I think about all the things I hate about Gen Y, that it's hard to hate something you know so much about. And in fact, I have become a way better person myself from studying Gen Y. I have noticed that my worst traits are the aspects of myself I least understand. And that is true of Gen Y, too.
1. Gen Y mistakes the speed of the Internet for their own speed.
Gen Y are not risk takers, they are not conflict-seekers, and they are generally respectful of institutions and organizations. When Gen Y doesn't like something, you probably won't hear about it. They just won't show up. I have written before about the conservative nature of Gen Y.
But what I've noticed lately is that this nature results in Gen Y having a difficult time making decisions. They have had their parents making decisions for them for most of their childhood, and they crowdsource decisions as adults, so when they must make a decision that no one can really help them with, Gen Y often gets stuck. (This is a huge difference from Gen X, who thrive on counter-culture, I-did-this-myself diatribes, and from Baby Boomers, who make all decisions based on how can they look like they are winning against everyone else.)
2. Gen Y wants to look like a winner more than they want to be a winner.
Gen Y is the most team-oriented generation ever. The American experience has been largely about individualism since the Declaration of Independence. So it's a big change for such a huge generation to be more oriented to the group rather than the individual.
The result of this way of seeing the world is that Gen Y is very, very non-competitive. They were in soccer leagues where everyone gets a trophy. They enter the workplace and they have little interest in leading in a hierarchical way. And they love to use the collaborative software that serves, unintentionally, to flatten the workplace hierarchy.
But Gen Y is consumed with their image. Online, they manage themselves like they are celebrities. They revolutionized the art of the self-portrait because they take so many. And Gen Y women are renowned for dressing up at work in great clothes regardless of how much money they make or what the rest of the office is wearing.
But I think what might be the best illustration of this trend is that they don't make enough money for a huge, lavish wedding, but they still want their wedding pictures to be gorgeous, fun and exotic. So they elope, with a photographer, and post all the photos of a great wedding on Facebook.
3. Gen Y misunderstands entrepreneurship.
Gen Y is scared of being screwed-over by corporate America because they saw their parents give up everything for corporate life and then get let down. Gen Y does not want to repeat this in their own lives. So for Gen Y, entrepreneurship is the ultimate expression of their conservatism.
Gen Y thinks the safest route in employment is entrepreneurship, so in poll after poll, the vast majority of Gen Y-ers says they want to own their own business. But what they really mean is they want to have a safety net. They want to feel like if they get laid off they will not be left high and dry like their parents were.
In general, though, Gen Y likes working for someone else. Gen Y likes assignments, they like feedback, they like meetings, group efforts, and after-work happy-hours. These are all the trappings of people who work for someone else. Entrepreneurs are mostly lonely, anxious people, living on the edge of what’s normal. And when Gen Y gets an inkling of those feelings, they run back to corporate life.
4. Gen Y thinks they don't believe in God.
For the most part, Gen Y has the same religious attitudes as Gen X. It's just that Gen X frames this as an obsessive drive toward creating inclusive family and inclusive work and communities, and Gen Y frames it as not believing in God.
The reason for the discrepancy is that Gen Y frames their religious views in relation to their parents, and since Gen X had a childhood that will go down in history as negligent parenting, Gen X frames their views in relation to their own values (which, of course, have to do with their backlash against the demise of the family).
So, Gen Y actually does believe in God. Gen Y thinks there is something out there that created matter. I mean, what was there before the Big Bang? Who knows? We can call that God. Gen Y doesn't argue with that. But Gen Y thinks God must mean the Christian God. And if they don't believe in that, they say they don't believe in God.
So, in fact, Gen Y is pretty accepting of all religions, and willing to participate if you put it in front of them. There are no public displays of religious protest as a way to instigate change—that is Baby Boomer territory. And there is no taking a risk and taking a stand to create a solid religious life for their kids like Gen X. Gen Y goes with the flow, supports any religion as long as it supports gay marriage, and hedges against any conflict by saying they are not really religious.
5. Gen Y mistakes their own practical behavior for revolutionary behavior.
In general, Gen Y tries to go through life by ruffling the least feathers. So, for example, Gen Y might appear to be creating a revolution at work by demanding flex-time, fair-wage salaries, and good mentoring. But really, Gen X wanted all this stuff when they were twentysomething as well, but they couldn't get it. So when Gen X took over, they gave it to Gen Y. Gen X is the revolutionary generation.
Gen Y is simply demanding what their parents told them they should expect from the world: Work that matters and work that complements a life that matters. Those revolutionary expectations come from the Boomer parents. Gen Y is just doing what they are told.
I couldn't help thinking this same thing when I read this New York Times article about the trend that as teenage girls Gen Y gave more blow jobs than any generation before. When Baby Boomer women had more sex than any generation in the past, it was a feminist revolution, changing the whole fabric of society. But when Gen Y teens talk about why they give more blow jobs, it's different, but simple: they do it because while their parents told them not to have sex until it really really mattered to them, the boys are, of course, dying to have sex. So one way to keep everyone happy is with blow jobs. It's the ultimate expression of Gen Y practicality masquerading as revolution.
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Posted by Amanda on July 27, 2011 at 1:31 pm | permalink |
Wonderful post and insight. I felt resistance growing in me the whole time I read it. After closing it, I realized you taught me something today. It’s nice to see something so on the mark that anytime I argue with it, I learn something about myself. Thank you
Posted by Austin on July 27, 2011 at 11:12 pm | permalink |
So funny story, I was reading this blog about a Gen X lady’s life, the minutia of her daily routine and her kid’s pig, and there was a hilarious satirical post about those self-absorbed, narcissistic Gen Yers. It was classic, truly biting satire, appearing as it did on her self-absorbed, narcissistic blog.
To begin with, she pointedly didn’t mention the tiresome futility of speaking about generations as a whole, and took the same kinds of broad unsubstantiated potshots that pissed her “generation” off back when baby boomers were doing it twenty years ago. Very clever.
Then she hit all the salient points: how Gen Y is completely non-competitive, which is obviated by the fact they’re unable to get a job in the worst economy in a generation. And she pointed out how they totally misunderstand entrepreneurship, suggesting (hilariously) that it’s really about doing something innovative – like 19th-century-style small scale farming – not inventing entirely new paradigms like Facebook. And one of my favorite parts was where she said that Gen Y is too soft, having been pampered their whole lives, which is totally what my grandfather said about my parents, and my parents said about my Gen X brothers and sisters!
One of the funniest parts was when she said Gen X was the revolutionary generation, pointing out how they’ve torn down bourgeois convention by growing s–t organically and parenting.
It’s easy to miss the joke when she points out how independent Gen Xers are, because only a careful reading would reveal the author’s reliance on an “assistant/nanny” to manage her own independent rural life, discussed in a previous post. What deft satire! Get this lady a desk at The Onion, post-haste!
The research and linking involved in the piece was all part of the joke too, with its links to a completely irrelevant Wikipedia article about latchkey kids to prove Gen X independence, and other links to the blogger’s own half formed opinions. Talk about Meta! Substantiating your own opinions WITH your own opinions, as a tongue in cheek way to expose the vacuousness of your own opinions and the exercise itself! The spirit of Jonathan Swift is truly alive!
Another great part is when she suggests Gen Y thinks blowjobs are revolutionary, a classic red herring argument that no one – seriously, no one – has ever tried to make. Ever. Brilliant! But maybe the best part is when, as if to suggest how inherently flawed “Generation Rants” are, she links to an article from 2004 about 15-year-olds and their fellatio habits, when everybody knows Gen Yers were graduating college that year! Or maybe not! Because no one really knows what Gen Y means! Or Gen X! Or Gen Y2K! Because it’s all bulls–t! Boy, she’s really got it!
Anyway, ya’ll should read the piece. I’ll post a link as soon as I’m finished praising myself and crowdsourcing my decision on whether or not to send her a congratulatory email, which she wouldn’t have any use for anyway.
Posted by Jon on August 2, 2011 at 2:52 pm | permalink |
BRAVA!
Posted by Cynthia on March 12, 2012 at 12:18 pm | permalink |
This is easily the best post ever. And I’m a gen Y. So yeah, almost all of what you’re saying is true.
Posted by Win on August 3, 2011 at 9:38 pm | permalink |
The whole Gen X and Y thing is based on a flawed premise. Coupland’s book “Generation X” was about his generation that graduated college in the 1980s. The media latched onto those ideals without bothering to actually read the book and as a result they applied them to the wrong group of people. My generation got branded with an X, but then stunned the world by not responding the way we were supposed to. This was, of course, because it was the previous generation of youths who lived by Coupland’s unofficial rulebook, only nobody knew it. Then along came Generation Y, and now we are two generations confused, with no clear line of interests or common traits/behaviors to identify anyone. This leads many to make the wrong assumptions, draw the wrong conclusions, and just generally misunderstand each other. All because most people never bothered to read the book that spawned it all. I’m guessing Ms. Trunk hasn’t read the book, either.
I read it. Good book. Doesn’t really apply to me though.
Posted by Kevin M on August 13, 2011 at 8:39 pm | permalink |
Is there nothing that Generation X does not hate? You hate Boomers, you hate Generation Y.
You hate everything except your selfish, narcissistic selves. Almost as ridiculous as your one Veterans Day posting where you practically called ALL troops and veterans war criminals. Yes, Penelope, you are truly the poster ‘yotch for Generation X! What a wonderful portent for our future.
Posted by Sprelghman Tribbs on August 31, 2011 at 6:54 am | permalink |
This is an interesting article. I am part of Gen Y. I constantly hear people referring to us as generation who wants everything right away. We want we want meaningful jobs, we want career growth, we want a work/life balance, and we and we want it all fast. We don’t want to slave for 15 years at a meaningless jobs with insane hours for a same, stable salary.
And its all true. We don’t. And we get judged for this. Our parents worked really hard. I know mine did and still do. I have immense respect for my parents and the sacrifices they have made.
However, just because we want something different doesn’t mean that’s wrong. Just because we expect meaningful careers, great mentors, and great work/ life balance doesn’t mean that we are wrong to do so. You’ll never get something if you don’t ask for it. We’re asking for it and we are making it happen.
I think so many Boomers and GenXers are upset is because they HAVE slaved for decades at same careers. They’re work DID at times had to take priority over their quality of life. These aspects constituted their reality. And they are passionate about it b/c you have to be passionate or at least at peace with the way you have lived your whole entire life. Otherwise you’d be miserable.
I don’t judge them for their way of life, I just think it’s different. Just like no one should judge us. What we expect is not good or bad, it’s just different.
I often have these discussions with my mom and its always interesting to hear her input. You know when you have a conversation with someone and you can tell the way they perceive the issue is so fundamentally different then from how you view it? Well thats how these conversations are.
I told her I want to move back up north in couple of years. I told her I’ve been really thinking about what my next career moves should be as well. My approach to life is holistic. I want to live where I see fit, and I want a great job there as well. She sees this totally different. She says you follow a great job,and sometimes you have to make sacrifices, meaning you might not get to live where you want. I don’t see why I can’t have both
Posted by Anastasia K on October 7, 2011 at 10:03 pm | permalink |
Sorry for couple of the grammatical mistakes above, should have proofread in hindsight.
Posted by Anastasia K on October 7, 2011 at 10:25 pm | permalink |
Great articulation of Gen Y’s response to the external forces they are facing. I have noticed a lot of the same things but didn’t have my thoughts and words as well as organized as you do.
Posted by Deadhedge on October 20, 2011 at 7:41 am | permalink |
Brilliant article, depressing reality we face now with a generation unwilling to buck the trend of corporate conform… shooting themselves in the foot as they realise too late that the chasm between the haves and have nots is insurmountable. We’re screwed
Posted by Just Jet on November 17, 2011 at 9:48 am | permalink |
Generation Blow Job! When Pepsi finds a way to work that into an ad campaign, I can die happy.
Posted by Andy on November 22, 2011 at 11:58 pm | permalink |
Any good comments about Gen Y? Frankly, I feel more like we’re the forgotten generation, the generation between the apparently incredibly put-upon Generation X and the apparently incredibly pitiable Millenials. No one gives a shit about us, and this article just reinforces that. We’re all entitled and lazy, right? We got screwed over by our parents AND by Gen X, we’re being left the world to fix, and we’re frankly the only generation equipped with the practical skills to fix it. How about some credit?
Posted by Rebecca on December 21, 2011 at 1:48 pm | permalink |
I agree with most of the points in this article but I do want to say that there is a big difference between the older Gen Yers and the younger ones and unfortunately we all get lumped into the same bin. Gen Y represents the group from 1980 to 2000. Being born in the early part of the 80s I don’t particularly identify myself with the kid who was born in 1990 who has spent their entire life in the internet age. I feel like many of us straddle the line between Gen X and Gen Y but don’t particularly identify with either. Just keep that in mind when you are dealing with a 30 year old at work opposed to a 25 year old. In my experience there is a big difference between the two of us.
Posted by JOB on December 27, 2011 at 12:55 pm | permalink |
couldn’t be more right!
Posted by raymes on December 31, 2011 at 4:42 pm | permalink |
Incredibly astute blog, y gen are a bit cute in a way… but this x gen was really hoping for a shake up of the baby boomers, we’ve been working on it for a while but the y gen crew seem to be happy enough with the way things are.
Posted by Den on January 7, 2012 at 6:04 am | permalink |
HI, I came across your blog just randomly, and I must say I loved this post! While I might not agree with some things, overall it is very interesting to go through, written in a funny and catchy way, and I must say, it’s full of interesting observations!
Posted by ZN on January 12, 2012 at 2:53 am | permalink |
I’ve hated most of my generation since I was a small child and I fail to understand how anyone could have ever liked the nasty shits I went to school with (even as children.) I’ve never felt more alienated in my entire life than I have with Generation Y.
They are truly awful people who don’t realize just how awful they are. Someone should point it out more. They’re cattiness and exclusive attitudes are their worst quality. The “entitlement” is the least offensive thing about them, I don’t know why Xers feel so compelled to point that out as if it was their worst quality…
They’re also the most boring and bland people on earth, another thing they don’t realize.
Posted by Shell on January 16, 2012 at 7:37 pm | permalink |
Gen Y, the spoiled selfish little bastards who took the Baby Boomers’ fawning overindulgent treatment that overcompensated for neglecting us Gen X folk (if they managed to begat any of us at all) in favor of drug and/or swinging parties for granted. F-’em, they need to grow the heck up… all of ‘em.
Posted by Anonymous on February 1, 2012 at 7:47 pm | permalink |
It sounds like certain Gen X-ers may have some resentment for Baby Boomers. Why direct it at Gen Y-ers, though? Is it their fault that Gen X-ers were neglected by their parents? It looks like it’s not Gen Y-ers who need to “grow up.”
Posted by fsfsfsfsfa on February 5, 2012 at 5:51 am | permalink |
GREAT ARTICLE. YEAH, IT’s hard to trust a generation who totally trust their MEgen parents
Posted by tony on February 17, 2012 at 8:52 pm | permalink |
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Posted by Cameron on February 24, 2012 at 1:19 pm | permalink |
I think some of this has validity and some of this is just stereotyping. I was born in 1989 so I am a Gen-Yer.
To me, it seems a lot of people born in generation X have some sort of superiority complex when it comes to people born in generation Y. You’re not better than us, just saying. I don’t think any generation is better than the other. We all have our flaws. Many generation Xers in my opinion sound very bitter.
Also, there’s nothing wrong with being cautious. I’m a very pragmatic person.
Posted by Anonymous on March 20, 2012 at 12:01 pm | permalink |
Hi, I have to jump in on this topic. I am a so-called Gen-Xer, and I disagree with most of the generalizations that have been made regarding Boomers, Xers and Yers or millenials or whatever. Gen X was spoiled, seems that this is overlooked. I have no bitterness towards anybody. I do feel I need to speak up a little for my age demographic. Xers started the ball rolling with the trend entrepreneurship/business start-ups. When we graduated from college the economy was on a downturn and the job market wasn’t that great, so jobs had to be created somehow. Xers were encouraged to go to college and as a result have more advanced degrees than previous generations. I have worked with people from all walks of life and pretty much get along with everyone. I believe we are all stifling ourselves buying into these differences which are driven by marketing demographics and we need to work together to get through this recession. Let’s face it, we are all spoiled Americans. Cheers!
Posted by Miche on March 20, 2012 at 8:46 pm | permalink |
I also want to add that my gen is also pretty darn conservative.
Posted by Miche on March 20, 2012 at 8:48 pm | permalink |
**supports any religion as long as it supports gay marriage**
Ho, ain’t that the truth. What’s really funny is that if a devout person of any Christian faith says that he or she opposes gay marriage, some hip, pseudo-intellectual Gen Y’er will start throwing Bible verses at them to show them what a hypocritical Neanderthal that person is, often taking the so-called Biblical quote out of context, interpreting it incorrectly or twisting it to suit the argument. My fave is when a Y’er will say that the “sin” practiced in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah was not homosexuality but inhospitality, because he read that somewhere on the Media Matters blog. Yeesh. I wouldn’t mind the Y’er’s support of gay marriage – heck, as an X’er, I once supported George McGovern for President, so we’ve all made mistakes in our youth that we regret – nearly so much if they’d at least do some research on homosexuality and whether or not it really DOES occur in nature (it doesn’t) and speak intelligently about it, instead of parroting any catch-phrase or popular belief system just because doing so will piss off Mom and Dad.
Posted by LonerByChoice on April 26, 2012 at 11:32 pm | permalink |
Savor that irony folks; in one breath this Christian automaton (brimming with love for everyone, presumably) complains about OTHER people “parroting … a popular belief system” and then mentions the fable of Sodom and Gomorrah as if it has some bearing on the discussion of gay rights. How’s this: you’re a hypocritical Neanderthal because you believe bronze age fairy tales are not only historically accurate, but somehow illustrate why gay people in the 21st century shouldn’t be able to file a joint tax return. I will agree with you on one point though – it is indeed silly to use your Bible to refute your stupid backward superstitions, because your Bible is an irrelevant amalgam of nonsense. Whether or not the fable of Sodom and Gomorrah is meant to condemn homosexuality or inhospitality doesn’t matter, it still has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Tell me, what does the story of Jack and the Beanstalk tell you about agricultural policy? Do you think when the giant says “fee fi fo fum” that should be interpreted as a condemnation of farm subsidies? The fact is, you are on the wrong side of history on this matter. If you’re a bigot cloaking prejudice in religion, that’s contemptible, but you wouldn’t be the first. But if you actually believe that the fable of Sodom and Gomorrah is a legitimate reason to restrict the rights of homosexuals then you’re a primitive simpleton. Right about now, you’re probably whining about how Christians are oppressed (despite occupying virtually every position of power in this country, enjoying tax exempt status for churches, etc.) and mocked for their beliefs, and it’s so unfair, etc., etc. But here’s the thing – you can tell me about Jesus, and his miracles, and I’m happy to listen. I have some Christian friends and family members with whom I have good, respectful theological discussions. Belief is personal, and ineffable, and I wouldn’t argue with you about belief. But when you try to use Bible stories as evidence in the realm of public policy debate, suggesting that a story like Sodom and Gomorrah has any bearing on the discussion, you ought to be prepared to have your ideas mocked as the unempirical, nonsensical hoo-ha they are. P.S., Before you try to blame my blaspheming on some kind of demonic gay butthole rainbow possession, I’m straight.
Posted by HipPsuedoIntellectual on April 27, 2012 at 10:31 am | permalink |
Hey, HipPseudoIntellectual (and you might note that this “hypocritical Neanderthal” at least spelled “pseudo” right,) I got news for ya – I’m not a Christian. I dumped that belief system long ago. I don’t support gay marriage because homosexual relationships are not equal to heterosexual relationships in any sense of the term “equal” when that term is used in connection to any measurement that actually reflects reality. It is not same-sex mating (if the term “mating” really applies to homosexual bonds) that keeps the natural world going, and the same rule applies to the human world as well. So anyone asserting that those two sexual relationships are equal in importance to the human race is either a deluded fool or a liar. So it’s a bit ridiculous for you to sneer at me for talking about Biblical fables when you spout P.C. fables to support YOUR argument. My point, if you’d bother to try to grasp it, was that nits like you constantly misquote and misinterpret the Bible verses you use to try to mock devout believers of those verses. Trouble is, most of those believers, unlike posers like you, have actually studied the texts and have very likely read every interpretation there is of them and are therefore probably – gasp!- better educated on the subject than you are. Whether Sodom and Gomorrah actually existed or whatever is not the point I was making, but you, of course, so typically of your ilk, assumed I was contending that it did and thus you struck your cunning little pseudo-intellectual pose and made a fool of yourself, thus proving my REAL point, as noted above. Thanks. As for the rest of your tiresome tirade, your arrogant assumptions about me pretty much make it moot, not to mention tedious to read. I will point out to you, however, that it is not I who “restrict the rights of homosexuals”, it is nature (and spare me the “gay penguin” argument. Name one specie in which two individuals of the same sex mate and raise young as a matter of course). Nature has determined what kind of sexual bond is dominant and primal, and that is the real reason gay marriage has been banned in every state in which it was put to the vote. Not because all those states are full of “homophobes” or any other smug label you care to fling at them, but because most people are honest and therefore object to the idea of being forced by law to embrace a lie. Gays would be better off, in my opinion, if they stopped deluding themselves and recognized the fundamental differences in and importance of gay vs. heterosexual relationships, stopped their efforts to hijack a cornerstone of heterosexual culture and twist it to suit themselves (meanwhile shouting down anybody else’s rights to have a say in the matter) and come up with a different name and set of rituals for their relationships. The attempts by people like you to marginalize the majority and homogenize human beings by asserting the EVERYONE and EVERYTHING is equal even though in all honesty they’re not are destructive, annoying and a damned nuisance. And happily, will not prevail as long as the ballot box is still available and the beliefs of ALL citizens are allowed to be expressed. Free country and free speech – they’re a bitch, aren’t they?
Posted by LonerByChoice on April 28, 2012 at 1:15 am | permalink |
OK, let’s take a deep breath. I;’m going to try to refrain from making too many personal attacks.
First, please note that I never said anything about the occurrence of homosexuality in nature, because that is as irrelevant to public policy as the Bible’s fables. Likewise I did not interpret any Bible passages; they’re not worth parsing because they’re not important. (You say your not a Christian, fine, we’ll leave religious concerns aside.)
What occurs in nature is of no relevance in a discussion about marriage policy. It matters not a whit whether a species engages in homosexual coupling. If we modeled our system of laws after what occurred in nature, I suppose it would be legal to devour one’s young.
You’re certainly right, however, that heterosexual coupling is more typical in nature, far and away. Based on that, you can even argue that it’s more “natural”. But where I think you take things in the wrong direction is in applying a value judgement to the two scenarios, and deciding to extend legal protections to one and not the other. The question really isn’t what’s natural, it’s what should be sanctioned under law. And if you’re a believer in equal rights, then the burden is on you to show how extending the institution of marriage to same sex couples would cause harm. To you it feels wrong, I guess because its not what other animals do, but what concrete negative effects can you point to? Several other countries have recognized gay marriage for years; maybe they’ve seen increased divorce rates or some other negative consequences, but again, it’s your job to prove that.
Regardless, allowing gay marriage doesn’t force you to “embrace a lie”, it just forces you to keep your nose out of other people’s business. Every day, heterosexual couples marry for money. Most people would say that love is an essential part of marriage, but no one would argue that the state should deny legal benefits to a couple because they aren’t in love. You don’t have to like gay relationships of think they’re morally correct or “natural”, but if you want to deny equal protection to a large segment of society, you DO have to have a good reason. And you don’t.
To a certain extent, I think both sides of the debate are needlessly fixated on the nomenclature. Gay folks want “marriage” because anything else smacks of a “separate but equal” approach. People like you want to police what you consider the correct definition of the word. Personally, I don’t think the state should be in the marriage business at all. We should entirely do away with that word as a legal construct, and leave it to religious institutions to join people in marriage. The government should grant the legal benefits of what we currently call marriage to any two people who agree to join their futures together.
But in the argument over the word, although both sides, in my opinion, place too much importance on it, I have to come down on the side of equal protection. A separate but equal doctrine is destructive, as it marks the marginalized group as less worthy. That’s a real harm, not an imaginary one.
I understand that you don’t want to be called a homophobe or a bigot, but you’ve made clear that you do, in fact, view homosexual relationships as less worthy than straight ones; they are less important and therefore don’t deserve recognition. So if that’s not bigotry, what DO you call it?
You’d probably argue that you have factual reasons for saying homosexual relationships are less worthy, but that’s the same argument once made to justify institutionalized racism and deny women the vote. “It’s not that I hate women, it’s just that they aren’t as well educated as men, and therefore shouldn’t be able to vote.” There was some factual basis for a claim like this in the early part of the 20th century, when women were less likely to hold college degrees, etc. You can always come up with a reason to look down on others, but bigotry is always defined at least to some extent by the society’s norms. At some point, the argument against women’s suffrage ceased to be a point of view, and became a prejudice.
In the current climate, people like you are fast becoming the holdouts of an anachronistic world view. I’m sorry, but as society changes around you, you will increasingly be considered a bigot. Don’t be surprised when you’re labeled as such.
Posted by HipPseudoIntellectual (Got it this time!) on April 28, 2012 at 3:29 pm | permalink |
**You’d probably argue that you have factual reasons for saying homosexual relationships are less worthy, but that’s the same argument once made to justify institutionalized racism and deny women the vote**
Oh, really? Let’s hear those arguments, Einstein, and see if they hold a candle to the irrefutable logic of not deeming homosexuality equal to heterosexuality. Put it this way: if homosexuality were to disappear from the earth tomorrow, the human race would survive just fine. If heterosexuality were to disappear, there’d be problems. Such as, humans go bye-bye. And so would the rest of the natural world; even those creatures that are hermaphrodites still literally embody the male-female principle as a means to reproduce. Heterosexuality rules the natural world and the human world too, and that’s the honest truth. And nuts to your description of me as “anachronistic”. Trends, fads, poses, catch-phrases, and other such nonsense fade away, but logic and truth always remain. Belief systems and civilizations rise and fall, but truth and logic are the ultimate survivors of human folly.
And I have no worries about society changing around me in regards to gay “marriage”. It hasn’t changed much in my state because we were allowed to vote on it. Tell me, O Wise One: if society truly is becoming more sympathetic to the notion of gay marriage, then why not let the people vote on it in EVERY state? Why do you gay marriage advocates, so sure of the rightness of your cause and the increasing number of followers, fear the ballot box so much?
Posted by LonerByChoice on April 28, 2012 at 11:49 pm | permalink |
6. Gen Y is able to read this and respond with laughter and appreciation for valid points. Whereas, if generation X or the Babyboomers were forced to face their faults ie. ruining the environment and the majority of heritage listed buildings, they would not feel at all responsible and probably turn an ugly pink colour.
Posted by Hannah on May 6, 2012 at 7:25 am | permalink |
it’s really funny how you hit the nail on the head: they really have a hard time make decisions! I’ve also made the experience that they are very conservative, tolerant and might I say pliable like craft clay; and the overworked ones are either “Teacups or Crispies” – unable to handle any stress or confrontation at all – even in their twenties when they should be full of “I’m changing the world” – ness!
And when there is conflict they “show” it instead of talking about it, by simply not showing up or tweeting about it. I think all the social media robbed them of the ability to have a good old face to face argument.
Posted by marita on August 27, 2012 at 7:42 pm | permalink |
You believe Deloitte reports? The one that predicted that Internet would collapse in 2007?
https://paperpicker.wordpress.com/2007/05/22/deloittes-puzzling-prediction-on-internet-congestion-in-2007/
The same one that audited banks in Europe and said they were perferctly healty? Pfff.
Posted by dd on September 7, 2012 at 4:50 am | permalink |
I love this article. It points out the contradictions of Generation-Y.
But this generation seems to symbolize contradictions. For example they champion environmental causes while being ardent consumerists who don’t seen the connection between the degradation of our enviroment to their thirst to consume “stuff” and “new stuff” at that.
I hope you write a part two, this was a great read.
Posted by anita K. on September 8, 2012 at 3:30 pm | permalink |
“Judging is preventing us from understanding a new truth. Free yourself from the rules of old judgments and create the space for new understanding.”
― Steve Maraboli
Posted by brendon on September 23, 2012 at 8:49 pm | permalink |