Breakfast. This morning: Eggs that my son collects each evening. And Froot Loops, the one's that have extra colored sparkle dust, just in case you didn't remember that Froot is not Fruit for legal reasons.
The boys are absorbed in discussion about how to get me to plug in the Wii again. ("We should clean our room without her asking!")
I look across the table to the farmer and I say, "I'm happy. I love you."
He says, "That's good. The kids need that. Interesting does nothing for kids."
Then he walks over to my side of the table. He puts his arm around me and squeezes me. He says, "I love you, too," and he goes out to the wood burning heater.
I watch him.

There's something primal about a husband who literally cuts the wood to heat the house in the winter, and then keeps the fire going. And when he kisses me at lunch, his face smells like the fire.

We do not have an easy relationship. No relationship is easy. Thank goodness we know this, because marriage is starting to remind me of childbirth—it's incredible that so many people do it when it is so painful.
But marriage is like childbirth also in that the benefits are so much.
We have had so many violent outbursts that the farmer has taken the precaution of putting the police on speed dial. This means a lot, especially when you consider that he doesn't really know how to use his phone. It took him a long time to learn how to do speed dial.
We have been dishonest with each other. He changed his will without telling me. I found out by reading his journal. Sins galore here.
My favorite thing about us is that we are forgiving. Today, if he dropped dead, my house, and probably all the furniture in it, would go to his parents. I should hate him for changing the will without telling me.
He should hate me for going off the birth control pill, for a year, without telling him. After I had the most publicized unwanted pregnancy in the world.
The patience we have for each other is incredible. But maybe every couple is like this. Does every couple fuck each other over like we do?
I think about what might happen if I left the Farmer. Where would I go? I don't know. There is not somewhere I want to live more than the farm. There is not someone I would rather raise my kids with than the farmer. I love the stability of him. The chores. His tractor breaks down and he pauses, fixes it, and continues.

When something goes wrong in my life, I get wildly frustrated. I have to eat 10,000 Power Bars. I am easily thrown off track.
I told the farmer about a feature on Ask Men (I can't find the link, sorry). You can find out why men like a given woman: Face, body, intelligence, money, wild side…
I said, "Why do people like me?"
He said, "Intelligence and wild side."
He likes that I don't feed my goats on a schedule. He didn't know baby animals could survive on such an erratic feeding schedule. This is my wild side, I guess.
His life was incredibly boring and lonely when he did not have me. And my life was incredibly frenetic and unpredictable when I did not have him.
Last night, in bed, when I was working hard at not yelling and not crying when I found out he changed his will, I said, "What are we doing together?"
And he said, "We are making life not lonely for each other." And he said, "We are raising boys together."
I want to tell you I am happy happy happy, and this is a happily ever after story. It's not though. I don't trust happiness. I trust interestingness. I feel like I have more control over it. I need to have a company that consumes me intellectually. And I don't quite have that right now. I'm working on it.
But the company doesn't make me happy. The research does not lie. A career makes an interesting life. A good marriage makes a happy life. This is so basic and simple, but it always ends up being controversial. It's so un-PC to say that marriage is essential to happiness. And is it controversial to say kids need happiness around them, not interestingness?
I don't have evidence to support this. I only have a bright sunny morning breakfast with two scheming boys and one squeezing husband. Hooray.
Photos by Melissa Sconyers.




As long as you're Happy that's great to read!
Posted by David Forde on February 28, 2011 at 10:42 am | permalink |
I suspect that happiness is over-rated, and so few people are, while so many are "trying to be."
I imagine that kids need acceptance, (for who and how they are,) and role models who teach them how to be both themselves, and content.
And everyone benefits from honesty and dialogue. No secrets, no games.
It's never about where we are and who we are with; it's "how I am" as I engage, fully.
You described it: "When the tractor breaks, fix it, and get back on."
Posted by Wayne Allen on February 28, 2011 at 10:49 am | permalink |
Happy for your happiness, Penelope!
I have followed you for a while and I am not surprised by this post. You have many of the things I believe one needs to be happy, every now and then at least.
The happiness will not last, but it will be there again. As far as I know. Trusting that something basic and most important (the what are we doing togetherâ¦) is there while many other things are completely messed up is ok in my book.
It's not simple and it should not be.
Tom
Posted by Tom on February 28, 2011 at 10:52 am | permalink |
I've been married 31 years somewhere between today and tomorrow (married on leap year day) – and while it all hasn't been easy or fun, I measure the success of our marriage by did he make me laugh today. And I have to tell you, even with my spouse going through cancer, me losing my job and starting over, raising three kids with little money, he does make me laugh every day!
Happiness can be very simple and found in the strangest places – embrace it and don't question whether it is fleeting, it is there now.
Posted by Mary Budge on February 28, 2011 at 10:55 am | permalink |
This made me happy just reading it. I don't think it's controversial in the least to hear that kids need happiness. It seems like my household often hinges on my mood. It's so cliche to say "when mom's happy, everyone's happy," but it's completely true. My shitty mood yesterday cause so much whining, crying and fighting and my better, more relaxed mood today magically correlated with a calm morning. I don't think this means moms need to get pedicures and massages every day – I've been working hard on my own self-calming techniques, and when I can do it, it really helps make everyone happier (and not more interesting). Is it easier to pursue interesting-ness if you're happy?
Posted by Erika on February 28, 2011 at 10:56 am | permalink |
the farmer forgot "face" and "body." if you don't mind my saying, you've got those too. you're wildly appealing on many levels.
and while i'm not a parent, it just sounds/feels right to me that kids would benefit from happiness around them. the surroundings kids grow up in determine what they consider "normal," and what they will likely give their own kids one day. growing up amidst happiness – not an unrealistic proportion of it, perhaps, but with happiness well-represented in the diet – will increase the likelihood of their experiencing a satisfying amount of happiness in their adult lives. partly because that's what they'll consider normal.
interestingness is important too (happiness and interestingness are not mutually exclusive). interestingness exercises and develops the mind, teaches it to be comfortable facing and handling and adapting to new challenges. it makes that "normal" too. all of which is good.
"just do your best" would be my advice, dear Lady. that way, no matter what else happens, you'll always know you've done your best.
Posted by Walt Darson on February 28, 2011 at 11:02 am | permalink |
hooray for you, Penelope! I'm so happy for you.
(and isn't it interesting to be able to tease out that an interesting company can be fulfilling to you but only close relationships really make you happy?!
Posted by csts on February 28, 2011 at 11:04 am | permalink |
The lack of trust that's evident from your story is quite alarming. I'd say that without trust as the basis for your relationship, you'll face a lifetime of struggle to maintain the happiness (and stability). Marriages should not be about the sound and the fury. It's about safety and harmony and support.
Posted by gunnertec on February 28, 2011 at 11:08 am | permalink |
I'm glad you're happy, Penelope. If fact, I'm HAPPY you're happy, because I go through life waiting for happiness as well. I used to say, "I'm not generally happy, but I'm not unhappy either." That changed a year or so ago, when I got zapped by a shaman lady. Since then we've had a falling out, but that's another story. I'm still left with happiness.
So, two comments: There are happy marriages with happy people inside them. I'm part of that group. My wife and I rarely fight, but we DO confront each other to address BEHAVIOR issues, what hurts and doesn't. We do not attack each other's souls. The love and loyalty is never questioned, never broken, and this confidence makes us happy. And secure. And wanting to say, "I love you."
A now a word about your statement, "The research does not lie."
One can always find backup to any premise one wishes to defend. Research will verify your ideas, and negate them as well. YOU make the choice as to what you retain, add to your BELIEF BOX, and post on this website.
Penelope, there is no ultimate truth outside you, except for one condition: ALL IS TRUE. And HAPPINESS works the same way.
Irv
Posted by Irving Podolsky on February 28, 2011 at 11:12 am | permalink |
Reading this made me happy. I don't know why. I guess I'm just want of those folks who wants everyone to be happy. My parents have been divorced 30 years and it still bothers me that they can't get along. I think kids would rather have divorced happy parents then unhappy married parents. But, I digress.
Do you think you are addicted to drama? Maybe that keeps your life interesting. I digress again…
Anyway, I am glad you are happy. And, my guess is, so are the kids.
Amy Parmenter
The ParmFarm
Posted by Amy Parmenter on February 28, 2011 at 11:14 am | permalink |
So glad to see a positive post. Good to stop and reflect on happy times.
Posted by VW on February 28, 2011 at 11:15 am | permalink |
I've had a lot of contact with refugees. Often, they are happy, and, although they may find themselves in a safe and secure position, they, too, tend to not trust happy and safe. They know first hand how fleeting these can be. You are a refugee as well, but one of failed relationships. (But then, who isn't?) Not trusting happy is a rational response, learned from experience.
I'm glad you've recognized the importance of forgiveness. Marriage is hard. I don't think it's natural to shackle yourself to someone, but we do it, because it does open doors to happiness – kids and someone to help raise them, companionship, making life not lonely for each other – that would otherwise remain closed.
Interesting is a cheap commodity compared to happy. Happy is hard to come by. Interesting is like air. It's all around and only needs to be perceived. Perhaps, it's not so freely available in the sense that compressed, transportable air is not. The farmer is right, the boys do need happy. They don't need interesting because they are not lacking it. It's all around them. They live on a farm. They have you as a mother. They're good. So are you. Be happy you're happy.
Posted by Frank on February 28, 2011 at 11:16 am | permalink |
At the risk of demonstrating a complete miss on your message, it may be worth mentioning that Wisconsin is a Community Property state and it is my understanding that a disinherited spouse still gets 1/2 of the property. I may also be presuming that you actually got the "paper from the city hall," so this note may be all strikes. Anyway, I liked the pics, which come across sepia toned on my screen, making them look like something Walker Evans might have shot.
Posted by LarryT on February 28, 2011 at 11:18 am | permalink |
A family farm is not a CD or a bank account. It's not just property. It has roots and history, blood and sweat. It's like a person. You leave a child to the person you think is best suited to care for him or her. That may not be the person you love the most. So she gets the money. Leave the property (for now) to someone who will remember to feed the goats.
Posted by Chris McLaughlin on February 28, 2011 at 1:02 pm | permalink |
Penelope,
I loved reading this post and I am happy for you. You are a wonderful writer and that, too, I hope, makes you happy.
Michele
Posted by Michele McDonald on February 28, 2011 at 11:18 am | permalink |
I can only speak for myself, but I often heard that adage "relationships are hard." But a relationship expert who spoke at my college told us something different: "good relationships are easy." My often difficult 8-yr relationship made me believe that first piece of advice. My current relationship with my husband makes me believe the latter. While we have conflict at times, we work through it with openess, honesty, and humor. This prevents resentments from building up, resentments being something I was very familiar with in my previous relationship. That part made me very unhappy. Being completely open and honest is difficult: it still is for me at times. But now that I see how much happier I am with it as the foundation of my relationship with my husband, I continue to be forthcoming with what's on my mind. It's a slow process though; I follow my husband's example and it gets easier as we go.
Posted by Kara on February 28, 2011 at 11:22 am | permalink |
I concur with Frank, the Farmer's will is basically meaningless, if your are the surviving spouse in a legal marriage. All common property would revert to you as the surviving spouse and there would be no reading of the will unless somehow contested.
Posted by Seymour Poon on February 28, 2011 at 11:24 am | permalink |
Considering the farmer's family and the way that they have treated Penelope, I suspect that they would gladly raise a stink if she got a penny.
Posted by Kay on March 7, 2011 at 4:24 pm | permalink |
Yay, Penelope! You're figuring it out. It was so nice to read this today.
The thing is, is that in a successful relationship, you try harder with your partner than with anyone else. You go to the wall, you stretch yourself beyond what you think you can stand because you love them and you want it to work. With co-workers and even most friends, most of us distance ourselves when we have a rough patch, or walk away.
It's the willingness to try even when it feels insanely hard, and to treat the other person like they can give you what you need, that makes it work. It feels especially good to do that when you realize that's what the other person is doing too. And the farmer is definitely doing that back, which is very cool.
Posted by Sarah Bush on February 28, 2011 at 11:27 am | permalink |
gah, Sarah, this is wonderful. so very spot-on true. thank you.
Posted by Walt Darson on February 28, 2011 at 11:40 am | permalink |
"Does every couple fuck each other over like we do?" No.. no they don't..
Posted by malinger on February 28, 2011 at 11:28 am | permalink |
… and anyone that says otherwise is probably just trying to justify the inadequacies of their relationships. Having been married only once (for almost 20 years), I don't even understand "relationships are difficult"–unless we are talking about relationships with members of the family you were born in, which can be at times. My marriage has always been easy, interesting, and happy (even though we both get on each other's nerves from time to time).
Posted by Chris M. on February 28, 2011 at 4:40 pm | permalink |
"His tractor breaks down and he pauses, fixes it, and continues."
So the trick is to get him to do the relationship like this, and for you to do it with him. When there's a problem, stop and fix it. Don't go hiding things and feeling upset and not talking for weeks in between.
Posted by Tzipporah on February 28, 2011 at 11:29 am | permalink |
This reminded me of one of that Margaret Atwood poem:
Habitation
Marriage is not
a house or even a tent
it is before that, and colder:
The edge of the forest, the edge
of the desert
the unpainted stairs
at the back where we squat
outside, eating popcorn
where painfully and with wonder
at having survived even
this far
we are learning to make fire
Posted by Sheryl on February 28, 2011 at 11:32 am | permalink |
I love this poem. It was a contender to be a reading at my wedding.
Penelope, I'm happy that you had a moment of happiness this morning. To me, happiness is in moments. It's not either/or. While I don't think there's such a thing as an always happy life, I do think there is such a thing as a very sad one.
A couple of thoughts on what you wrote:
–I don't think all couples fuck each other over like you and the Farmer do. I can't imagine being so dishonest with my husband about birth control or him changing his will without discussing it with me. I have a very honest relationship with my husband. I've been in relationships based on lies and hiding and secrets and I always feel like the ground I'm standing on is not actually there. I would always wonder what other lies are hovering. I could not live like that now.
–You say the farmer has given you stability and then say that if he dropped dead, you'd lose the roof over your head and the head of your boys. And all its contents. Is that stability? What does stability mean? Living the same day everyday isn't the same thing has being with someone who trusts themselves enough to level with you.
None of this means your relationship has to end. You and the farmer decide that. It's your story, together. But I think there are some things you're not seeing clearly given what you've shared today.
Posted by Joselle on February 28, 2011 at 2:57 pm | permalink |
Why is the fire box outside? How does that work exactly?
Yes, relationships are hard. I don't like that he changed the will without telling you. I think that is a serious breach of trust. If you can't trust your spouse then who? Even if, as others have said, Wisconsin laws would negate it. It still feels wrong to me.
My husband and I only fight on vacations. He is afraid of heights and I like to climb mountains.
Posted by Roberta Warshaw on February 28, 2011 at 11:33 am | permalink |
i'm guessing that he changed the will as a means of demonstrating to himself that he still has some autonomy and control over something.
for an independent man living alone, the influx of a partner and children can be accompanied by a great sense of loss of control. whereas the course of his days and his life used to be his to determine as he chose, suddenly (or so it seems) almost nothing is for him to decide anymore; he has to consider the impact of his actions on three other people now. he can't just up and do what he wants, and i don't know about the farmer, but for me – and i think for most men – that's a huge sacrifice to make. our freedom and autonomy is very dear to us – it's part of our very reason for being – and it's very tough to have to sacrifice it on the altar of the pursuit of a lasting relationship. and for a man to feel he's given it up altogether can be to feel that he's given up all reason for living. so he has to prove to himself that he can do *something* on his own, all by himself, without consulting anybody else. that he can have an impact on something without having to get an okay from his woman. and i think this may have been all the farmer was trying to accomplish. and i bet his having done it is gnawing at him now – he probably feels a lot worse about having done that sneaky, disruptive thing than he feels good about having been able to.
Posted by Walt Darson on February 28, 2011 at 12:00 pm | permalink |
Or maybe he just doesn't want the family farm sold off to pay for P's obligations to the IRS and her ex-husband. Which is why they didn't get legally married in the first place.
Sure, he should have told her first. Then again, she has a documented history of throwing things.
Posted by JR on February 28, 2011 at 12:10 pm | permalink |
I am happy for your happy.
Interesting is overrated. I think you have to work at happiness, which seems contradictory. You can even be happy when your life is falling apart. (And I don't mean in a cultish, zombie way) I think you can be happy and it can encompass interesting. It's definitely not an either/or choice.
And marriage IS hard, but as you said, the rewards can outweigh the pain.
Posted by Sally on February 28, 2011 at 11:33 am | permalink |
Happiness is over-rated, but not for the reasons people like to think. It's not because happiness is boring, or anything like that. No, it's because you can't count on it.
Happiness is inherently fleeting. That doesn't mean we should avoid it, or stop trying to find it. But it means we should appreciate the hell out of it in the moments that we do find it.
And we should stop knocking "contentment" while we're at it. Contentment is what you feel when you realize that what you have is good and healthy and viable. It doesn't mean you're giving up on more, but it means you can be in the moment with what you have, and know its worth.
I think you like "interesting" because you think that you've failed if you're not happy all the time. But no one is happy all the time. Happiness doesn't work that way. The thing to keep in mind, though, is that "interesting," like so much else in life, is subjective. Your "interesting" may be someone else's chaotic and pointless, just as their "interesting" may be your boring. And vice versa.
The other thing to remember is that not everyone wears "interesting" on their sleeve. You do, because that's what works for you. But lots of other people are different.
Posted by KateNonymous on February 28, 2011 at 11:34 am | permalink |
I think the stability of happiness is better for your kids than whatever benefit interestingness would bring them. Of course, we all want a certain amount of interesting stuff at some point, but when you're young, it's better to have a happy, stable home life while you're still trying to learn how to deal with the challenges of the outside world.
On another note, I love the pictures of the outdoor wood burning heater. It's fascinating, but I cannot imagine how it works, being so far from a building. Is knowledge something like that something you take for granted when you live on a farm? How does it work?
Posted by Sarah Heitz on February 28, 2011 at 11:35 am | permalink |
The wood burning heater actually heats water and the water goes through a pipe to the house. Wood burning is a much warmer heat than oil or gas or whatever people usually use (I can't remember). But it's too dangerous to have the wood burning in the basement. The water heating system is a way to get the really warm heat without the danger.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on February 28, 2011 at 3:48 pm | permalink |
I see, well that makes sense. I've lived with radiator and baseboard heating, so I know using water to heat does a really good job of keeping the house warm. It does seem like a tender yet eminently practical gesture to see him cutting the wood that keeps you and your sons warm.
Posted by Sarah Heitz on February 28, 2011 at 4:07 pm | permalink |
"Wood burning is a much warmer heat than oil or gas or whatever people usually use."
That doesn't make any sense at all. I'm sure you husband won't fire that thing more than 190f.
Posted by rob on March 13, 2011 at 3:03 pm | permalink |
I don't think Wisconsin law will come into this issue; if I'm remembering past posts correctly, they didn't get legally married at all?
Posted by Anonymous on February 28, 2011 at 11:37 am | permalink |
Sometimes I think that if I save enough money I'd be able to leave my boyfriend. Not that I want to, I think. It's just that I moved in with him when I was starting my career and was not making any money and had not lived long enough to have savings yet. So now it's a kind of game I play with myself. Will I be just as happy if I go to SuperCuts as a fancy salon? Can I live off just Luna Bars? Are we due to buy our dog more HartGard? I guess it's kind of backhanded. Maybe cynical. No, more pragmatic than cynical, I think. But although happiness comes from other people, and they can help us in many ways, at the core we can only rely on ourselves. I got so mad when I was reading Uncle Tom's Cabin when St. Clare dies right before he frees his slaves, and it's such a poignant moment when you realize that really, life is like that. Sometimes you can't wait for other people to let you go, you have to run. At all other times you have to be prepared for anything, on your own, just in case.
Posted by Harriet May on February 28, 2011 at 11:41 am | permalink |
I'd be happy if you would use a larger font. I always have to enlarge the page to read it.
Posted by BlueJ3755@yahoo.com on February 28, 2011 at 11:50 am | permalink |
Perhaps you should get your eyes checked. The font size is quite large enough for the general population.
Posted by Anna on March 1, 2011 at 11:58 am | permalink |
I use to have the same problem. Then I had to do a vision test at the DMV and found out I needed glasses.
Posted by DG on March 1, 2011 at 10:43 pm | permalink |
I wonder how much the primacy of the idea that being happy isn't as important as being interested or interesting derives from the fact that being happy is harder.
The set point theory of happiness, while flawed, still correctly predicts that people's baseline level of happiness tends to drift over time back to its baseline even after wonderful events like marriage and the birth of children (in some cases, going even lower). We continue to seek support from around us to raise our set point but typically fail as the things that research is beginning to show do raise it don't come from outside ourselves.
I do not believe anything is more important than happiness. If we're suffering, how can we be interested in anything? I also believe, contrary to the popular and pithy wisdom of the age, happiness isn't something that runs farther away the more vigorously we pursue it, or in some way comes about as a side effect of the pursuit of some other goal, e.g., a moral life, or an interesting life. Happiness is a skill that can be learned and mastered by practicing intensely techniques that actually work to make one happier.
I agree, Penelope, that boredom is awful. But genuinely happy people are rarely, if ever bored. Interested and interesting people, however, are often miserable.
And here's the link I know you were expecting: http://www.happinessinthisworld.com/2010/12/19/boredom/
Posted by Alex on February 28, 2011 at 11:51 am | permalink |
I'm sorry to hear about the various problems you are having. It is unclear to me why the Farmer would make a decision like that if he has already made a commitment to you.
For an interesting perspective on what a families can be, you can read the Proclamation on the Family at http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?locale=0&sourceId=1aba862384d20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&vgnextoid=e1fa5f74db46c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD
Posted by Michael on February 28, 2011 at 11:52 am | permalink |
One of the best things two parents can do for their kids is to love each other. I know from experience (having grown up with a lack of the above, and having married a man who grew up with an abundance of it).
So, good for you. Because if kids don't think their own *parents* love each other, it's gonna be a LOT harder for those kids to love anyone of their own down the road. Why should they? (Ex: it took me about 10 years to even bother trying, at all.)
Posted by Melinda on February 28, 2011 at 11:54 am | permalink |
Hi Penelope. I'm happy for you. And I have to say that this is the happiest that you're gonna get. Nothing else can surpass such feeling of contentment. You're very lucky as few people get to find true love in this cynical world. Congrats!
Posted by Wenko on February 28, 2011 at 11:58 am | permalink |
"I only have a bright sunny morning breakfast with two scheming boys and one squeezing husband."
That's kind of the secret to happiness: focusing on what you do have. Maybe you don't trust it now but maybe you will, when you see that yes, just as you expect, you will slide backwards but then you will counteract that slump with some steps forward. This post was a definite step forward.
Posted by Margaret Goerig on February 28, 2011 at 12:02 pm | permalink |
Lucky you to have someone who loves you and is willing to tell you so……..enjoy the moment & forget about everything else for the day.
Posted by Kathy on February 28, 2011 at 12:18 pm | permalink |
So he says you are making life not lonely with each other and raising two boys together. I would suggest that he is not really very invested in the boys, and I'd worry about that. Changing his will to make sure these boys have no financial security if he were to die isn't the action of a man committed to a family. Writing about it in his journal and not telling you… also not so great. Sneaking through his journal… really? Kids are resilient, but I don't see that you are focusing on your boys, and the farmer sure isn't doing so. I'm worried for you all.
Posted by Karen Burgess on February 28, 2011 at 12:19 pm | permalink |
"But maybe every couple is like this. Does every couple fuck each other over like we do?"
No. Frankly, the things you listâhaving the police on speed dial, lying about birth control, secretly disinheriting the other (I assume the will change was to your detriment, otherwise why would it have been secret?)âemphatically do not occur in my marriage or in the marriage of anyone else I have ever known. You need to stop kidding yourself that these behaviours are normal or acceptable. They are unhealthy, disrespectful and dangerous. You can do much better than this.
Posted by hsg on February 28, 2011 at 12:22 pm | permalink |
This is the one intelligent comment in a sea of "ZOMG I'M SO HAPPY YOU ARE HAPPY [being dishonest with each other and having the police on speed dial]." This is not how a healthy, stable, happy relationship works, and wishing (or hoping to not have to explore Plan B) won't make it so. If it isn't good, but you don't know what else to do – work on clarifying Plan B because this sounds unstable, volatile, dangerous, and unhealthy.
Posted by MJ on March 1, 2011 at 12:58 pm | permalink |
I concur whole-heartedly with this comment. You are setting a dangerous example for your boys if they grow up and think that this is the way relationships should work. My parents have been married almost thirty years, my siblings have been in relationships for eight years with their partners and my boyfriend and I have been dating two years. None of us find it necessary to have the police on speed dial or throw things when we fight or have our lives in a constant state of hostility and chaos. Relationships are difficult and it's natural that you have peaks and troughs and times when you feel happier than others. But don't try and kid yourself that every couple lives on a knife edge the way you do.
Posted by Jessica on March 1, 2011 at 4:27 pm | permalink |
You flip flop between happy and interesting in nearly every post. Today, you say you crave interesting for the control which is really about stability. Then mention how you are so erratic, you can't even feed a goat on a schedule. Ironically, happiness is never really on a schedule either. It comes and it goes with zillions of variables. But both with the goat and your happiness, even with the erratic schedule, it works. You are happy and the goat is thriving.
Interesting is more of a challenge because you control so many of the variables. You can side track yourself going down this path or that of various topics. This is fun and it makes you happy to figure out how to harvest interesting to satisfy your craving for control and stability.
Posted by kate on February 28, 2011 at 12:29 pm | permalink |
Lucy and Ricky Ricardo fucked each other over every week, and every episode ended happily. Made the show "interesting", by 50s standards anyway. But no real-life marriage can survive a fundamental lack of trust, unless it's tolerated purely for economic survival (which may actually be the case here.)
Now that he's been busted, no doubt the farmer's changed his will back.
Posted by Brad on February 28, 2011 at 12:30 pm | permalink |
I have this picture on my office wall. It's a great reminder. I look at it a lot. I thought you could use it too. Maybe have one of your kids draw you a baby goat of happiness instead.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kOthKLSZJzM/TR5gIj3_u-I/AAAAAAAACn4/9GcGClu1J9Q/s1600/pig_of_happiness.jpg
Posted by Rachel on February 28, 2011 at 12:37 pm | permalink |
What a deep post. I haven't wuite processed it all, but thank you for sharing.
Posted by Jennifer on February 28, 2011 at 12:40 pm | permalink |
*quite
Posted by Jennifer on February 28, 2011 at 12:40 pm | permalink |
I also want to know how the outdoor firebox does anything so far away from any building. Otherwise, the post was very interesting and made me happy.
Posted by ninthgirl on February 28, 2011 at 12:44 pm | permalink |
I entirely respect your writing and your almost unimaginable honesty both with yourself and your readers. I'm really glad you had a happy breakfast with your family. And I'm pretty sure that the ache in this post will linger with me all day.
Posted by Alexis on February 28, 2011 at 12:50 pm | permalink |
I like that he has "adopted" the boys…"we are raising boys together".
That says a lot more to me than some will does; especially from what I gather, you would do fine without any of these things financially and otherwise. You are not dependent on the farmer for money, just stability and he provides that.
It seems that trust is another issue in your relationship…that will come with time.
So when was this post written, given your twitter feed, you are in LA?
Posted by sj on February 28, 2011 at 12:50 pm | permalink |
Dh and I have totally fuked eachother over many times. And with stuff that is divorce worthy. But he calms me and gives me stability and I make him do shit he would never otherwise do. That's the crux of it.
We're smoothing eachother. And when you get two incredibly different people, it takes a lot of smoothing. And it hurts and there's spark showers. Sometimes the only thing that keeps me is the fact that I know he loves me-and that is it. That is my fingers clinging onto the cliff.
It's a good life, though, and when you hit a sweet spot, it's really, really sweet.
Posted by justamouse on February 28, 2011 at 1:03 pm | permalink |
I want to start with a disclaimer: I have only been married for a couple of years and we have no plans of divorcing, so what I'm saying here might be completely invalid once you pass the 5, 10, or 20 year mark of marriage. I do hope that it remains true forever though.
No, I don't think that most couples fuck each other over like you do. I, and many of my friends, have had "bad" relationships earlier, but the level of how you fuck each other over is way outside my league, and the kind of snipering you both seem to engage in is terribly destructive. I'm not saying it doesn't occur anywhere else, all I'm saying is that it does not seem to happen among the fairly well educated and intelligent people I socialize with.
I do agree that relationships are hard work, and there certainly needs to be a big element of patience for the quirks of your partner. This does not mean that you or the farmer should put up with anything: changing the will without saying anything or reading peoples journals isn't a charming quirk, it is just WRONG at so many levels.
You can not change what has happened in the past, and you can really not change others, so the most constructive thing to do would be to figure out how you can be a better wife/husband. I am not saying either of you should be a doormat, just that there are probably things you can change with yourselves that would make the life of your partner easier. Also remember to praise your partner for the effort of trying, even if the outcome wasn't perfect, when they do things for you. Useful phrase: "I love how hard you worked on ..". I have put a link at the end of this comment about praising your kids, just in case the comment box eats my text after the link.
This might sound cynical and manipulative, but positive reinforcement is a well studied thing so there is plenty to read up on. Many of the mechanisms that are used when raising dogs are similar to what we have on a human level, and while you don't own your partner you can still tap into the power of these mechanisms. It is fair to assume that they want to be a better partner within reasonable limits, especially if the "cost" for making the change for them is low: I sometimes pick up flowers at the grocery store because my wife loves getting flowers, despite the fact that I don't really care much for flowers myself. I don't consider this to be a sign of me being a doormat: I do not allow her to dictate that I sleep in the doghouse, that is something completely different.
Oh, and sex: start scheduling time for it if nothing else works. It doesn't sound terribly romantic and might feel awkward at first, but it will change other things in your relationship, I guarantee that. You will not always be in the mood for having sex when you have it scheduled, and that is fine, but don't avoid it for that reason: the idea isn't that both will have multiple orgasms for hours and hours each time. Switch to performing oral sex on your partner (despite not being in the mood), or whatever else that floats your boat, and the next time the roles might be reversed.
The power (and peril) of praising your kids
Posted by Sam on February 28, 2011 at 1:04 pm | permalink |
Thanks for posting this Sam.
Penelope: you need to be good to your husband. I heart you totally, but I don't think you quite understand what marriage is about: being nice. I know it can be frustrating but the rewards are worth it
As for the farmer "fucking you over" – try to see it from his perspective. I am sure you can.
My principle is, my husband is the person I am nicest to. I am mean to everyone else (ok, this second part is no good, but I don't take out my frustrations on the husband).
Posted by Anon on February 28, 2011 at 3:12 pm | permalink |
This is what life is about! Salut to Penelope!
Posted by L. Marie Joseph on February 28, 2011 at 1:22 pm | permalink |
With family, focus on happiness. With work, focus on interestingness.
Chop wood, carry water.
Posted by Chris Yeh on February 28, 2011 at 1:41 pm | permalink |
Chris, this is so well said. I think I believe it.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on March 1, 2011 at 8:02 am | permalink |
The poetic joy in your words is, in fact, interesting. You may have accomplished both at once. Is that possible?
Posted by Morgan on February 28, 2011 at 1:49 pm | permalink |
Might be one of the most thought-provoking posts I've read from you. As a single, 26-year-old man, still in the beginning stages of my career as a scientist, I do not have kids, I do not have a wife, and to be frank, I do not know if I want either due to my ever-changing battle with OCD. There are some facets of my existence that conflict with my idea of a peaceful mind. The last time I got emotionally and mentally involved with a woman to the point of real committment, she didn't like what I had to say. We talked about my past and present short-comings, I developed a mental condition, and our relationship fell apart. Now, I fear for committing to a woman for the rest of my life bc I know there are things about me she wouldn't like to find out but always possibly could. And then with kids, that's a whole different story. The news is saturated with negative stories about children–abuse, neglect, murder, etc.–and the last thing I want to turn out as is one of those parents. I suppose the best way to sum it up is that I don't want to have the mental battles I recently had due to the OCD. The anxiety was too much, the false realities were scary, and the uncertainty about everything in my life left me unsure of how to go on.
Now, things are getting better. I'm single and learning about myself. I don't have kids. The only person I answer to every day is myself. And that's nice. I don't answer questions from girlfriends not knowing how truthful I really am being. I don't get anxiety thinking about whether or not she trusts me. I don't have kids to wonder to myself if I was a good parent or not. Did I abuse them? Did I neglect them? Did I yell too loudly? I don't have to worry about those questions. I guess, at this point, I'm happy with it just being me and my friends and my family. Will I one day want a wife and kids and know FOR SURE that's what I want? I don't know…I don't think anyone knows. But I'm hoping that when, and if, that time comes, it is obvious enough to me that my mind won't talk itself out of it.
Thoughts?
Posted by Kyle Bennett on February 28, 2011 at 1:54 pm | permalink |
Hi Kyle, it sounds to me like you understand your territory pretty deeply. If you end up deciding to have kids and you make a plan to have strong support in the places you know you need it that might work out pretty well. Kids are lovely and parentings is fiendishly hard for some of us. It certainly isn't necessary for a complete life.
Posted by Em on March 7, 2011 at 10:55 am | permalink |
I try to keep in mind that it is unreasonable to expect all desires to be satisfied by one person. If someone makes your life happy, without the interesting, couldn't that be just right? I am afraid of finding too much in one person. What if they leave? With the bits spread out to different persons – a partner, friends, other family – I feel safer and am able to commit more of myself to a relationship. Also, I find it difficult to believe I could be someone's "everything". So why would I expect that from another?
Posted by Agnese on February 28, 2011 at 2:12 pm | permalink |
ya for you ms P – happy happy you – to me honestly is over rated …. maybe he didn't tell you about the will change because it would make you un happy … have more froot loop days le xox
Posted by le@thirdontheright on February 28, 2011 at 2:23 pm | permalink |
This is one of the saddest posts I've read. No. Married people do not treat each other like that. I've been married to my farmer for 26 years. We treat each other with kindness and respect. We are each other's biggest cheerleaders in life. Is it always perfect? No. But when the hard times come, and they do, we know we have each others' back for the long haul.
Being a farmer's wife, I do understand why he left the family farm to his parents in his will. I don't understand, however, why he didn't tell you before he did it. I also don't understand why he wouldn't provide for you and the kids in another kind of way (amount of insurance equal to the value of the farm?) in case he dies. That seems the least he should do.
You don't have a marriage. You have a PRETEND marriage. It's not the same. I'm so sorry. If it were just the two of you, I wouldn't blink an eye, but for God's sake. Those kids need less drama and some kind of stability.
Posted by jw on February 28, 2011 at 2:24 pm | permalink |
Just when everything seems to fall apart for me, it's nice to see you happy. No drama, just the title I'm happy, makes us all feel that you have indeed experienced something you've always deserved. It may not be as great as what you hoped and expected but it's good how you appreciate the little things – like we all should.
But I don't know, maybe it's just me…I tell people I am happy when I really am not, like it's something I wanna feel and have but the situation completely isn't and maybe I'm just on the denial stage and try to muster all the optimism and courage to show everyone I am strong enough. I really hope that you're happy, as in really happy (but happYness varies how one perceives it, right?) So again, people can't tell you you're not happy because after all, it's you who feels it, not us.
Melissa takes really simple yet meaningful photos! She's brilliant.
Posted by Jonha | iJustDid.org on February 28, 2011 at 3:05 pm | permalink |
You burn wood to heat your house? Good lord that's inefficient. I don't know how it works out there. Maybe you don't have a gas line connected to civilization. But I would imagine it's feasible to buy a large propane tank and have propane deliveries.
Sometimes you post things about the farmer that make me hate him.
Posted by B on February 28, 2011 at 3:27 pm | permalink |
This is actually a great example of how much of a culture gap the farmer and I bridge.
Here are things you probably never thought of, B.
You use more energy to import food to where you live all year round than we do to heat our house. We get most of our food locally.
We have a forest full of dead wood we have to get rid of because of fire hazards. So burning it is an effecient way to solve the problem.
Life is so different on a farm and in a city that it's hard to stand in judgment of one while living in the other.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on February 28, 2011 at 4:09 pm | permalink |
I really like the way you wrote this reply. You responded to a dumb attack with information and a lack of defensiveness, which is often hard to pull off.
Posted by KateNonymous on February 28, 2011 at 6:04 pm | permalink |
Penelope, very good response to a comment made without an understanding. Clearly B doesn't live in a rural area and know life outside her world. A gas line?? That's funny.
We burn wood also. We don't have an outdoor furnace though, ours is in the basement. I'd actually like an outdoor burner just to get the wood out of the house. Yes, a furnace inside can be dangerous if done carelessly. My husband cleans the chimney once a month (think Mary Poppins and the chimney sweep) and is meticulous about safety. He knows this because all his life, he's burned wood for heat.
Like you, we cut only dead and fallen wood from the woods. We do this about one weekend a month in fall and winter. It's wonderful time together as a family and a chance to get out and enjoy nature. Who needs a gym when you can heave ho chunks of wood!
Posted by sophie on February 28, 2011 at 8:23 pm | permalink |
Well, "sophie," first off "B" is a he, not a she. Some guys read this blog.
Burning dead wood is an efficient use of it if you have to spend your time clearing it anyway.
I could absolutely care less about the energy cost of shipping propane to your doorstep. That's all factored into the price. And I'm curious if the price of heating the house on propane for say $20 a day is cheaper for the farmer to do if his time were worth $30 doing revenue generating activities on the farm.
As an aside, the locavore movement is an asinine misunderstanding of the price mechanism. The reason we can all enjoy out-of-season fruits and vegetables from South America is because the costs are so low. Don't deprive yourself the comforts of modern living. Eating locally won't save the world.
Posted by B on March 5, 2011 at 12:43 am | permalink |
Sorry for being snarky in my reply. It was a long week.
Not joking about the anti-locavore stuff though. People should enjoy their favorite foods guilt free.
Posted by B on March 5, 2011 at 12:52 am | permalink |
It seems like you guys are making progress. I sometimes wonder if my optimism for my relationship is misplaced. We love each other, but each of our character flaws seem so glaring when I sit down to examine them, and I can imagine 15 ways that each of them could ruin our lives and break up the relationship. But then I remember that we aren't together by accident (we made a choice) and that if something comes up, we will see what ways we can find to get beyond it. That makes me happy. And it sounds like you have a similar attitude. I feel proud of us.
Posted by Lestamore on February 28, 2011 at 3:49 pm | permalink |
It made me smile to read about you being happy. Keep it up.
Posted by Nichole@40daysof on February 28, 2011 at 3:52 pm | permalink |
I've been reading your blog for years, but it just clicked that we struggle with the same thing.
Before I started blogging, I spent ages trying to decide what to write about — feminism or interior design. I was gobbling up both at the time. For me, human rights issues are interesting (and important) and interior design is happy-making.
I kept setting up blogs and killing them, until I finally settled on happiness. I unsubscribed from most of the feminist blogs that made me feel all rage-y all the time and only kept a few around. I still care about feminism and other human rights issues, but I don't think a perpetual feeling of outrage is healthy.
Now, of course, my blog isn't about interior design any longer. I'm slowly settling somewhere in between the two extremes (I write about creativity and purpose), and my writing has gotten a lot more introspective. And revealing about my flaws and what I've learned from them.
All this to say, maybe it doesn't have to be one or the other?
Ps. I have a book recommendation for you: The Gifts of Imperfection. I am no stranger to blow-out fights, and in reading the book, I realized that when I lash out, it's because I'm bumping across a deep well of shame.
Posted by Brigitte on February 28, 2011 at 3:55 pm | permalink |
My husband and I are in the same relationship, obviously, yet most of the time I think it's a happy relationship and I would guess most of the time he thinks it's an unhappy relationship that needs fixing. But we are like this about everything. We have a newish car. I think it's the best car ever – it's so new and shiny and everything works! He keeps thinking we made a huge mistake and should have bought one of the other cars we considered. Every little thing that isn't perfect about the car makes him think the car is 100% garbage.
I'm an optimist. He's a pessimist.
I think most of happiness is just how you're wired.
Posted by rb on February 28, 2011 at 3:59 pm | permalink |
Oh my God, rb, are you me in disguise??? This is my marriage to a T. I feel like half of it (we've been married for 21 1/2 years) has been spent trying to get him to see things in a more positive light! I am the big picture positive person that lets the little irritating things in life roll of my back with little thought. He fixates on every perceived issue whether real or imagined, lol. This has caused me to question my marriage to him on many occasions, and is frankly quite draining! But I stuck it out, and you know what keeps me around? The knowledge that he just can't help it, knows that I have the better attitude about life in general, and tries to tame those tendencies once in awhile. And bottom line, he loves me and I trust him to have my back. For us, it all goes back to how we were raised. He comes from a very dysfunctional family, and mine was drama free and easygoing. Though we are definitely born with a certain temperament, your family can definitely make it better or worse! Marriage really is about sticking it out. I think the people who describe their marriages as being easy are in the minority frankly.
Posted by Helen on March 2, 2011 at 1:41 pm | permalink |
Helen, I think you are on to something here. I'm part of the minority that thinks her marriage is easy. The fact that both my husband and I came from "functional" families (as opposed to dysfunctional ones) may be the reason.
You see, I'm the optimist, my husband is the pessimist, but still, things were always easy in our marriage. We may have arguments, exasperate each other from time to time, but in almost 20 years, I never felt the relationship was something hard, difficult, that required work. My relationship with my parents, siblings, and friends, was always harder to maintain than my marriage ever was.
Posted by Chris M. on March 2, 2011 at 3:15 pm | permalink |
This is my first time commenting, although I've followed your blog for quite a while. Love this post. I think it captures well the essence of marriage. It reminds me of my favorite book on marriage (called Sacred Marriage) based on the idea that maybe marriage is more about becoming holy than happy, something like a refining process where steel is rid of its slag through extreme heat. It hurts and it takes time but you become a better version of yourself.
Posted by Susy Flory on February 28, 2011 at 4:06 pm | permalink |
What is happy? And if we don't have "it" are we then sad? I'm not so sure. The absence light is dark, but the absence of dark isn't necessary light is it?
Posted by Dale on February 28, 2011 at 4:29 pm | permalink |
So glad to read that you are happy! The farmer is correct of course, it does kids unimaginable good to see a happy, loving relationship. Interesting is important personally, but kids need an example of happy and loving.
I too am interested in how the wood burning heater works by the way.
It is wonderful that you and your partner are so forgiving and patient with one another. In answer to your question: 'Does every couple fuck each other over like we do?' A resounding NO. Though it does seem that way sometimes, it is absolutely not true. It is also not true that no relationship is easy.
My husband and I have been together for six years and yes, we are happy, no, we do not fuck each other over, and yes, it is easy. We have chosen to be with one another for life so fucking each other over would really be screwing ourselves.
We are brutally honest with each other (while still being mindful that it's not necessary to be cruel while being truthful). We both believe that happiness is a choice and a mindset and certainly don't expect someone outside of ourselves to make us happy.
The farmer changing his will without telling you is certainly a breach of trust but surely he has his reasons just as you did for reading his journal. Neither is something to quake the earth over. He can change his will again if he chooses and you can choose not to read his journal again. It really is as simple as that.
Life is about choices. Making the right or wrong ones and then taking responsibility for them. You can choose to be at peace with any given choice at any time or you can choose to correct a choice that wasn't right for you. The choices are a large part of what makes life interesting and what you choose to be happy about.
Posted by Dana on February 28, 2011 at 4:44 pm | permalink |
Wow this post was depressing and filled to the brim with all the negative energy I could tolerate. There is a lot of trust issues in addition to denial. I'm really wondering the impact this relationship is having on the boys.
Posted by Wilson on February 28, 2011 at 5:15 pm | permalink |
hi penelope,
great posts – i just came across your blog but have done a lot of reading to catch up for missed time. i thought i could add to this post by (perhaps) finding the link to your ask men feature.
http://www.askmen.com/sports/health_400/476_the-science-of-desirability.html
i hope this is the one.
thanks for your genuineness. refreshing is an understatement.
Posted by holly on February 28, 2011 at 5:19 pm | permalink |
I love when people look for links I can't find. It's like sending me a present. Thank you. This wasn't actually the link I was thinking of, but it's a fun link. I love the AskMen site so much that I often think it's target audience is really women.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on February 28, 2011 at 9:18 pm | permalink |
Actually, I (probably along with many of your other readers), also searched the AskMen.com site yesterday for the applicable link. Now knowing the above link is not what you had in mind, I did another search this morning and found this article ironically titled 'Top 10 Things That Make Men Happy' – http://www.askmen.com/top_10/dating_top_ten/20_dating_list.html . Hopefully this is the applicable article/link. And you're right about AskMen.com – it's a great site and I get newsletters from them thanks to reading this blog.
Posted by Mark W. on March 1, 2011 at 8:25 am | permalink |
I recommend working on the trust and communication issues in your relationship first and foremost. Happiness and interesting are like by-products and the result of the above.
Posted by Mark W. on February 28, 2011 at 5:26 pm | permalink |
It's shit like this females…it's shit like this that is the reason why men have such contempt and distrust towards women.
You should be ashamed of yourself for not telling him you were off BC.
People like you who manipulate and use men make me sick.
Posted by Gabriel on February 28, 2011 at 6:48 pm | permalink |
"And is it controversial to say kids need happiness around them, not interestingness?"
I have no idea. My parents used to scream at each other continuosly. Oddly, they did not hit each other, only their kids. Strange that they didn't hit each other. I often wonder why not.
Made me decide never to live with anyone, or to produce kids. Of course the fact that I have AS helped.
Posted by vicky on February 28, 2011 at 6:49 pm | permalink |
Is this your second husband ?
I originally came across your site due to post containing you and your husband who was a stay at home dad ?
I have found a consistent thread amongst careerist females who have stay at home fathers and husbands that pretty much goes as-once the career is established and the children are old enough, the careerist female fires their husbands and replace them like workers who no longer serve their needs ?
I would be interested if this is the same husband who was the stay at home or if he was replaced.
Thanks
Posted by Wm. on February 28, 2011 at 7:00 pm | permalink |
Then I'm happy too.
Posted by Lisa on February 28, 2011 at 7:03 pm | permalink |
I will keep this simple:
My mother was crazy; my childhood was interesting. I was not crazy; I desperately wanted love and stability. Interesting is easy all you have to do is screw things up. Love is really, really hard.
My husband always says, "Having character is difficult and painful, that is why most people have none."
You can imagine that he drives me crazy but I love him deeply.
Posted by Erin on February 28, 2011 at 7:21 pm | permalink |
Sounds to me Penelope that what you really crave is not interestingness or happiness but belonging.
Your aspergers probably makes that more challenging and puzzling to sort out in your mind than most people, but everything I have read from you says you are wanting to belong.
Posted by Alan Perkins on February 28, 2011 at 8:30 pm | permalink |
I needed this. And I'm glad you're happy, Penelope.
Posted by LuWee on February 28, 2011 at 9:08 pm | permalink |
You are a product of an unstable childhood that is where you are coming from. If you were from a stable home you would live differently. You thrive on instability because of your background. You are looking for a stable home, a family that you never had growing up.You aren't alone. You are mentally unstable because that is the way you were brought up. If you could forget your childhood, your parents and mentally start fresh, stop living with your parents problems, move on, dont' feel guilty about your parents issues. You are a fresh, interesting individual in a new environment away from the past.
Posted by jc on February 28, 2011 at 10:33 pm | permalink |
I think it's good for kids to experience happiness and interestingness. After all, they will, God willing, have both factors in their own relationships and their experience of their own parents interestingness will assist them to navigate through their own, without feeling they've failed, having hit an interesting patch.
I find it fascinating that your relationship is totally devoid of trust! Hell! You don't even trust yourself to be happy! But you and The Farmer appear to be on the same page, so maybe it works for you. Maybe this state of interestingness is more familiar to you than happiness, so you call it happy. Many of us can only be content with familiar – happy feels strange to the point where we don;t trust it.
I loved your post and wish you all the best.
Live Life Happy! (or interesting if you insist!)
Posted by Jacqueline Johns - Your Happy Life Mentor on February 28, 2011 at 11:33 pm | permalink |
And there was I thinking that the reasons it was Froot not Fruit were more chemical than legal. Thank you, Penelope: you have shone the light of wisdom into my benighted life.
Your first three paragraphs lifted my spirits like gentle rain after a long drought. Happiness seems to be contagious. Thank you for that, too.
Posted by TwistedByKnaves on March 1, 2011 at 1:48 am | permalink |
I've been holding my breath for you and the Farmer. Happy to read that you are on speaking terms again. Hooray for you indeed!
Posted by K on March 1, 2011 at 2:35 am | permalink |
Well done for being happy. It's probably a choice, so well done
Posted by Daryl Martin on March 1, 2011 at 2:46 am | permalink |
Hey! I discovered your blog a few months ago and have been really enjoying your writing.
It's kind of nice that the stories are told with pictures added. However, I find the tone of the pictures, which are beautiful and obviously thoughts have gone into taking them, don't really complement your writing. It is as if they lack some kind of bite. Maybe for some entry (for e.g., happiness) they make the stories better. But for many others, It's kind of obvious that the writer and the photographer are different people.
but great job nonetheless. only saying this because I love your edge!
Posted by yang on March 1, 2011 at 5:11 am | permalink |
This is a really helpful comment. Thank you. I think I need to be more confident in taking pictures. I do think the pictures need to be mine. I have not taken pictures before. It's hard to be so confident with my writing and so unconfident with the pictures. But I guess I'll have to do that. Thank you for the push.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on March 1, 2011 at 6:19 am | permalink |
Hi Penelope,
There is nothing more beautiful than love and I could tell from your writing all along that you and the farmer really love each other.
You've been through a lot, and so have your kids. And you're a great couple. I hope things continue to work out.
Also, just want to thank you for all that you have taught me about work, writing, and life since I started reading your blog. I appreciate your radical honesty even though it sometimes disgusts me, quite frankly.
Doesn't matter. You're terrific at what you do.
Finally, as one Jewish person to another, I believe your blog represents a form of tikkun olam.
Thank you.
Dannielle Blumenthal
@thinkbrandfirst
Posted by Dannielle Blumenthal on March 1, 2011 at 7:25 am | permalink |
I'm happy to be a fan of this blog. Thank you.
Posted by Maria Floren on March 1, 2011 at 7:46 am | permalink |
Penelope,
You are smarter than you act. Don't believe that you are loved when the farmer has cut you out of the most precious thing he has-the farm. If he dies has he honestly made any provision for you—or the boys he says he is raising?
Posted by BrendaH on March 1, 2011 at 10:55 am | permalink |
Ah Penelope, your post really spoke to me. Happiness is evanescence and it appears that all of this goies back to one of the central tenets of Yoga – be here in the moment. Here's to the moment of this post – may it be repeated many times over.
Posted by 650Blonde on March 1, 2011 at 11:41 am | permalink |
I wanted so much to be irrevocably in love, to fall in love so hard that it was no longer a choice, but an imperative to make it work because you simply had to be together. I asked for it, and I did not know how painful it would be, how difficult navigating the deeper waters of a real connection would prove. It is still worth it, but you are right, it is like childbirth. Co-parenting a safe space to inhabit together perhaps.
Interesting is good as long as you can count on it. I think anything's fine if it's consistent really, kids like routine. This is my reason for being such a curmudgeon, it is something I know I can provide consistently most of the time. Happy, not so much. Not consistently. But I sure do get into the spirit when the mood strikes. It works for us, your mileage may vary…everyone has to find their own way. I am loving hearing about yours.
Posted by Regyna Longlank on March 1, 2011 at 12:15 pm | permalink |
I am in a relationship like you describe. I was shaking my head at your first few lines thinking hooboy she doesn't know what kind of trouble she's talking about. But clearly (bless your heart… bless my heart too) you do. My life has been a train wreck since I met her. I was raising my kids in as stable and loving an environment as I could. Then both she and I realized we are lesbian instead of straight and the stability that I and my husband had worked so hard to build just couldn't hold together. No matter how desperately I wanted to hold my family together I couldn't deny my sexuality once I understood it. I have had a crazy and tumultuous relationship with her as none of this fits with my idea of what I wanted for my life. But we are drawn toward each other, I guess until we die or until the day it finally breaks if that is possible. We are so different. We don't agree on what we want love to look like even. But the draw between us forces us to grow into places I would never willingly go. I do what I can to smooth this difficult path for the kids. I consciously choose their needs over my relationship most of the time. But something I'm starting to suspect is that I'm not qualified to really know what is "best" when raising a kid. Maybe that is an American illusion, that there is a perfect ideal.
Posted by Em on March 7, 2011 at 10:48 am | permalink |
A friend emailed this post to me and the subject line said "I don't know what to make of this post."
I had never seen your blog, before. I read and read and read and hit links and hit back and hit more links. Like a train wreck, I couldn't take my eyes off of it.
I can't decide if you are psycho or just the most honest person I've ever read. I make jokes about my own blog that it is the life I wish I had. Part of that is because every ounce of creativity and expression dries up when I am in angst. Perhaps I should push through. I try to write my blog for myself, but as Steve Martin says, anyone who says they are writing for themself is a liar because anyone who writes is writing to be read. I feel as if my own blog is sunshine and roses most of the time and we all know that isn't real life. I was almost offended when someone said it was a sweet, happy blog.
Because I have been an enabler in the past and still have enabling tendencies and because I try to see the best in people…I'm going with you are the most honest blogger I've ever read and even if you are psycho, you aren't afraid to tell the world, which takes a lot of balls.
I will keep reading and get back to you on this.
Cheryl
Posted by Whosyergurl on March 1, 2011 at 4:53 pm | permalink |
This whole thing that Penelope has about the 'Happy' vs 'Interesting' life reminds me of a classic question of philosophy that one of my professors posed to his college classes:
"Would you rather be a Miserable Socrates or a Happy Pig?"
Of course the essence of the question is whether you think its better to know, understand, and reason about your life (even if you're not happy) or to simply live out your life in pleasure without understanding it very well. There is no 'right' answer – it simply stimulates an examination process about your life and what you want out of it.
As for me….
Oink, Oink!
Posted by Leo on March 1, 2011 at 4:56 pm | permalink |
It just the litle things in life that make you happy…..sooo cute!
Posted by Kareem on March 1, 2011 at 5:36 pm | permalink |
Penelope, I didn't know whether to be happy or sad for you when I read this post. But, that's kind of what life is about to me. It is complicated and messy and confusing at times.
What I loved about this post was the warmth in your writing. I could feel the all snuggly inside feeling you had this morning. I love when I have that feeling.
What I don't like about this post is the secrets part. One of the reasons you said you don't hide anything on this blog is because there were too many secrets in your childhood and you never wanted to have secrets again. But there are secrets all over the place in this post. Maybe you could go back and read your posts on not keeping secrets every now and then and remind yourself of your goal? Maybe the Farmer could also read those posts? Maybe that will help set the groundwork for a no secrets allowed relationship? Maybe you and the Farmer will then have more of the snuggly, happy moments? Just a thought.
Posted by Katherine on March 1, 2011 at 8:05 pm | permalink |
hi Penelope,
when you say you'd rather be interesting than be happy, my perception is, to be happy still matters a lot to you, but you're just settling for interesting.
and every time you say that (or write that), it seems like you're saying you're unhappy. and perhaps the farmer thinks that too? if so, surely he can't help but feel hurt that despite being with him you are unhappy.
i'm just saying that there's a difference between being unhappy, and not caring about trying to be happy.
myself, i don't care much for "being happy", at least the definition society has for it. "happy" is just a feeling you have at a particular moment.
and i really hate being asked the are-you-happy question. because it doesn't matter to me, essentially.
in the big picture that is called my life, i know i am blessed, and for that i am grateful and am filled with joy.
but that doesn't mean i never feel sad, goodness i'm constantly stressed i'm practically miserable. and then i feel worse because, since i just got married, i know people expect me to be on a high.
but i know it is just work that's bringing me down, which is why i'm quitting. but anyway, i've asked my husband to bear with me until then.
because i don't like the word happy, i'll just say have fun and enjoy
Posted by cari on March 1, 2011 at 8:20 pm | permalink |
While reading your post, I Have just realized that there's no perfect husband and wife in this world. Perfect family relationship is a process. A step by step process that must be work on together by each member of the family especially the presiding authority which is the Father and the Mother. I know that the greatest satisfaction you can have in life is your family. Great post! I love reading it!
Posted by Stephen on March 1, 2011 at 10:06 pm | permalink |
Just because YOU say you have Aspergers doesn't mean you've been diagnosed. Just because you say you are married (without the license) doesn't mean you are married. Just because you say you are happy doesn't mean you are. I think you may have emotional problems-(not Aspergers) and need to see a competent professional counselor-I know you say you are in therapy but it is not working. (or, are you and the farmer just laughing together at the game you are playing with all your readers?) What you do is bait people in with dramatic prose and we can't stop because it's like Lindsay Lohan, Charlie Sheen—many many others, who are wrecking their lives and the lives of everyone around them. A semi healthy person, once roped in to your drama, wants to figure out a way to help you, stop you from hurting yourself and causing pain to those around you. It's almost like I can't stop reading your blog because I dread so much how it's all going to end. This is probably the case with many of your readers. It is possibly your great work of fiction.
Posted by BrendaH on March 2, 2011 at 9:41 am | permalink |
Have you ever considered that you might have borderline personality disorder, or BPD? Your "I hate you don't leave me" sounds sort of familiar, and sexual abuse is a hallmark factor in BPD. I did notice you were trying dialectical behavioral therapy, which I encourage you to do. But have you ever considered reading more on BPD? There's a biography by a woman (Get Me Out of Here: My Recovery from BPD) who has it that is just riveting and may resonate with you, but more importantly, she fought very very hard to fix herself. It's a very compelling story, and for your tastes, there's lots of inappropriate sexual content in it.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1592850995/?tag=brazecaree-20
Just food for thought.
Posted by Micaela on March 2, 2011 at 9:57 am | permalink |
Penelope, I have read many of your blog entries. Initially I did not know you were asperger's, but, like Micaela, I came to an independent conclusion that you have BPD and even, possibly, narcissistic personality disorder. I was raised my a woman who was diagnosed with both, and but for the fact the you are a far better writer, you and she have identical personality characteristics. The most troubling thing for me was the time you broke the lamp on your head, left the glass on the floor, and weren't flat out worried as hell about your children hurting themselves. That's abnormal; it's not maternal; it's all about YOU.
That book, I Hate You Don't Leave Me, describes a man's relationship with his wife who has borderline personality disorder. Read it. It appears to be you, but I base this only on your writings.
In my opinion, in life, if you have children, their needs always come first. Not yours.
Posted by PJayBee on March 2, 2011 at 11:54 pm | permalink |
People with Aspergers are commonly misdiagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder. One of the biggest differences between Aspergers and Borderline Personality Disorder is if the person wants to be the center of attention.
I know it seems impossible when you look at me through my blog, but I can't stand being the center of attention. For example, I had a very hard time at my own wedding because I don't like being in the spotlight. When I give a speech I almost never stay around to meet people — even though there are always lots of people who want to talk with me. And, just today, I could not even handle taking a turn at pickup sticks because I don't want to play while everyone is watching – and that was all kids. It's stuff like this that seems to me a clear difference between BPD and Aspergers.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on March 3, 2011 at 4:11 pm | permalink |
I think that being interesting is easier than being happy. Interesting is really just a manner of events; it's purely external. My life has been interesting, but I've never experienced happiness before. But happiness requires knowing what you want, which few people do (it's why in the States, Americans are obsessed with how to be happy) and essentially having a strong sense of self. When you know who you are, and what makes you tick, then it's easier to be happy.
I don't think one experience outweighs the other. Your happiness might be interlinked with being interesting – who wants to be boring? So you deliberately do things that are different or pursue a variety of hobbies. So, I think in the end; it's about not about picking one situation over the other, it's about finding a mix of the two to form a balance.
Posted by Tatiana on March 2, 2011 at 1:43 pm | permalink |
Very touching!
Posted by Apopka Party Rentals on March 2, 2011 at 8:27 pm | permalink |
Yes. From kids' POV, f**k interesting. They need to know that their essentials are taken care of; they need the parents to be in charge and give guidance. Life gives interesting. They need you to catch them when they fall.
Glad you're getting happy.
Posted by Angela DuBois on March 3, 2011 at 12:19 am | permalink |
I think it was you once who wrote that kids don't are about quality time.
They just want ALL your time.
Truer words you've never spoken.
Posted by Maureen Sharib on March 3, 2011 at 5:17 am | permalink |
The irresistible force and the immovable object
That's my relationship with the man I've been with for 10 years now and it sounds suspiciously familiar to many of your posts. He is my stabilizing force for those moments when I become too frenetic. Not everyone gets it, but not everyone needs to.
Posted by BBell on March 3, 2011 at 11:45 am | permalink |
I loved your response to the person who thought you should burn propane instead of wood based on efficiency. One inefficiency of propane that is not considered in measuring its mechanical or thermal efficiency is the amount of energy and other resources expended to get the propane out of the ground, refined, stored, shipped, stored again and then placed in a tank and trucked to your house to be burned at 83% efficiency. Yes wood might only rate 50% efficiency and less as its energy potential is used to heat water to heat the house but there is no energy consumption used to get it to you. Besides you can grow trees. You can grow some plants from which to get oil but you can't get propane from anything except crude oil from the ground. Plus rural folks are allowed to use their cash for other things. Propane heat in Maine here this Winter would run you $25 a day.
Posted by Don Becker on March 3, 2011 at 1:07 pm | permalink |
You mentioned your sons collecting eggs and it reminded me of my friend that decided she could save money on eggs by raising chickens. Three months later she had spent $240 on chickens, feed, and material to build the coup, and all she had gotten in return was 3 eggs.
She insist that they were the best eggs she had ever eaten, and maybe they were. All I could think was, $240 is one hell of an expensive omelet.
Posted by Rebuilding Credit on March 3, 2011 at 6:56 pm | permalink |
I find it fascinating the amount of interest that your marriage has for others (myself included). Do you think that going public with all the machinations of your marriage contributes to its complexity/pain/dysfunctionality. Did farmer know that he was signing up for an internet reality show?
Posted by RILEY HARRISON on March 4, 2011 at 6:05 pm | permalink |
He totally knew. She was already blogging when he became interested in her on the basis of what he read on her blog! It seems that the readers' points of view really help Penelope. I see her continuously learning and expanding her mind, which isn't bad for a family, in my opinion.
Posted by ninthgirl on March 4, 2011 at 9:05 pm | permalink |
i don't know how i came across your blog but one thing is for sure- i am enthralled!
Posted by lorraine lewis on March 4, 2011 at 10:11 pm | permalink |
I originally thought this was a "how to make your blog better" site. It's much more. Interesting post. Still not sure marriage is essential to happiness. Also enjoyed your "Choose a career path that makes you scared of failure" post.
Posted by Jamie on March 5, 2011 at 2:06 pm | permalink |
No, not all couples fuck each other over like this. Definitely not. I can't speak for other couples but my suspicion is that it's probably not even most.
Also, it's likely not legally enforceable for your husband to leave all his assets to his parents rather than his wife.
Posted by Caitlin on March 6, 2011 at 6:29 am | permalink |
Congratulations on a very nice article was.
Posted by Winstar on March 6, 2011 at 8:37 pm | permalink |
It's too bad that more people don't realize that marriage takes work and commitment. Everyone is so ready to move on to the next relationship even when there are kids involved. I get it if your husband or wife suddenly starts abusing you or has a total personality change that is impossible to handle but friends of mine are getting divorced and having affairs because their spouse doesn't voluntarily do laundry. I want to shake them and tell them that no one likes to do laundry. That's not a good reason to upset your childrens' lives and create havoc and stress. So many people I know think if they aren't deliriously happy every second of the relationship then something is missing and they should go try to find that missing piece with someone else. What's up with that?
Posted by Robin on March 7, 2011 at 11:22 am | permalink |
the statistics do lie…people that are happy being married are happier being married…
but for non-marriage types being married is mostly a living hell…
Posted by maximillienne on March 9, 2011 at 3:15 am | permalink |
The best way to be happy is to take care of what you love. If you don't want sex but he does, give it to him as a gift because you love him – and you'll find yourself enjoying it too! Caring for people, causes, and objects pretty much works the same way.
Posted by Julia on March 10, 2011 at 4:32 pm | permalink |
I think you are settling…like so many of us do. How can you tolerate him putting his parents before you? There are so many great places in this world to raise kids! It's hard to believe you are content with this situation.
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Oh, Honey, you've got it so wrong: "A good marriage makes a happy life." A happy YOU makes a happy life. A good marriage helps, but it starts with you. If you can't be happy by yourself, you'll never be happily married.
I got here reading a blow-by-blow from one of you 2007 marriage counseling sessions and wanted to see how things turned out. You sounded so lonely in that post. It makes me wonder if you are you married in your soul or just on paper.
It's as if your ambition is an invisible wall around your heart so that you can only see what's going on inside you. I don't know if it will work for you, but for me, letting him in helped us both find more happiness. Marriage doesn't work if you both give 50%. You both have to give 100%.
Posted by Jessica Bosari on May 24, 2011 at 1:54 pm | permalink |
Why can't I ever fall in love based on opposites & arguments instead of seeing myself in a heroine?
Posted by Heroine Worshiper on August 9, 2011 at 1:00 am | permalink |
It´s the little things that make us happy and the big stuff that drives us mad. If you could surround your life with little stuff, then we´d all be happier, but perhaps we need the bad stuff to recognize the good stuff – Oh so deep over my scrambled eggs this morning.
Steve
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Posted by Steve on August 17, 2011 at 12:47 pm | permalink |