You think it would be really fun to have sex with me. Because, I think you can tell from my posts, I'll do anything. But maybe you can also tell from my posts that it's a little bit weird. Because you know that I'll say anything, too, but sometimes, I make you cringe.
I think I'm that way in bed, too.
This post is about work. And sex, which are two of the essential areas of life one needs to be able to function in before you can feel like a normal adult. And both sex and work are governed by a set of rules that many people are able to learn just by being in the world.
Asperger Syndrome compromises one's ability to read nonverbal social cues. A simple example of this deficit is answering the question, “How are you?” It is loaded with so many nonverbal issues that I simply freeze. Even if you tell me, “Just say fine,” sometimes the situation looks special to me, and I can't figure out why it's special, so I can't talk.
So I’ve spent my life teaching myself the rules for what to do in each social situation. I study people, make notes for myself, and then test the notes to see what other situations my notes apply to. To get a sense of how awkward this looks, here's a video that is supposed to be a parody of people with Asperger's interacting with each other. But my family has such a high proportion of people with Asperger's that this video, honestly, is not far from what our life is like.
In my experience, the places with the most rules are work and sex. So, you can teach yourself the process of becoming better at work by applying the process of learning the rules about dating and sex. And vice versa. I, for example, am great at work rules and terrible at sex rules. So I teach myself using the reverse mechanism.
1. You can tell you need help if you are not having fun.
When I think about my sexual history, I think it is me basically not understanding that there are rules.
In college, where most people are experimenting with the rules of sex, I was missing them. Maybe because I was raised by my grandma, I honestly believed that if you had sex, it meant you were getting married. So I lost my virginity to a guy who said he'd marry me.
And on that day, I had no idea how sex worked. I don't know why I had not bothered to find out.
He was propped up on his arms when he couldn't find my vagina with his penis, so he said, “Put me inside.”
I said, “What?”
“Inside you. Use your hand.”
“I don't know where the hole is.”
“What? Are you kidding me?”
“There are a lot of holes down there. I don't know which one is for sex.”
“You are so stupid.”
He eventually put his penis in. He said, “Am I in?”
I said, “I don't know.”
Then he came. And I returned to doing homework.
2. If you can start by pretending it feels right, eventually it will feel right.
After college I posed nude to make money. A guy who paid a lot of money for a shoot looked at me for one second and said that I'm too uptight to be good. Another guy did soft-focus for Penthouse. I signed a release. He told me to undress, showed me a dressing room, and gave me a robe. I said, “I don't need this,” and I undressed right in front of him.
“What should I do?”
“Lay down, and enjoy yourself.”
“Enjoy myself? Do you have a book I could read?”
“No, I'm going to take pictures now. I mean you should masturbate.”
I didn't know what to do. I only need one finger to move one inch back and forth to masturbate. He wouldn't see it. I told him I thought all the other women were faking it for him because masturbation is not visual.
“Okay. Can you fake it for me?” he said.
I tried, and then we both agreed that I couldn't. So I left.
3. Surround yourself with people who can effectively guide you through rules.
I tried having lesbian sex. I answered an ad. Picture her: The professional ballet dancer who had just quit, and to celebrate, she got breast implants. And me, the aspiring professional beach volleyball player.
She spent the whole evening talking about how smart I am and how many books I've read and how strong I am.
I spent the whole evening talking about how hot she is.
I did not realize that this exchange meant that I had to be the aggressor in bed.
I said, “Are we going to kiss now? We can't do this whole date and not kiss.”
She said, “I need you to seduce me.”
I said, “What? Are you kidding? Just take your clothes off. How are we going to have sex if we keep putting it off?”
She said, “It's not like that. There has to be a game or something.”
I said, “Okay. You do the game. What should we do?”
She pouted. I did not realize it was part of the game.
I told her that we were really ineffective together and I thought we needed some guy there with us to run the show. We never did that. We never did anything.
4. If you don't learn the rules for navigating, life gets boring and repetitive.
I am fast-forwarding through things that are largely repetitive of the above situations. For example, there was the guy who asked me out while I was an arbitrage clerk at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. He was on the phones, picking up orders, and I'd stand in the British Pound pit, flashing hand signals to him to tell him what was bid and offer. He'd flash back a hand signal like, buy ten at twenty. Then he started using other sorts of hand signals (open-outcry hand-signals are way more than just market indicators, believe me.) He flashed the sign for do you want to have lunch (spooning food into mouth for “eat” coupled with pretending to break something between your hands, for “break”). I went.
We dated. To get rid of him, I told him I was a lesbian and I only wanted to date him if there could be another woman there, too. That didn't just make him pursue me with more fervor. It made the whole trading floor pursue me. And I had no idea why.
Notice how there's one theme here: I have no idea how other people think about sex.
5. Do not get obsessively sidetracked by things that do not require social interaction.
So then I get married. The first time. We both have Asperger's. We both like reading about sex, but having it is more traumatic. He would not go down on me, so I started writing obsessively about his not going down on me. Like the time he told me he couldn't do it because he had a toothache.
We had sex, but he didn't like that it was messy, and I liked writing about it better than doing it.
We had sex two times in six years after we had a kid. And I got pregnant both times because I have studied my ovulation since I was 24, and I'm an ace at sticking my finger up my vagina and 1) gauging how open my cervix is and 2) pulling out some mucus on my finger and checking to see how elastic it is.
Even now I can't help getting excited about ovulation. Go to the bathroom right now and check your cervical mucus. It's fascinating. If it's elastic you are ovulating. I can peg my ovulation to the hour if I check every half-hour, which I can do because I can stick my hand in my vagina anywhere—even in a job interview, if the person leaves the room to get some water. So that's why I was able to have a kid (and a miscarriage) only having sex two times.
6. Rules never stop coming at you, they just get infinitely more nuanced.
And now, here I am with the farmer.
At this point, sex should be low pressure for me. I am one of the one percent of women who can have an orgasm just by thinking about having an orgasm. I'm not sure why this is. Maybe because my mom taught me to do Kegel exercises before I even got my first period. I can orgasm ten times before the guy has one.
But the nonverbal cues you do to get to the sex really stress me out. It seems like a dance. When you date, there's the official dance date you do, which I can handle. I've been dating enough to know you do dinner, talk, go to someone's house, move close, kiss, lay down, get close to sex, go to bed. That's the dance. I know where we are and what's coming next.
But if you're married, there's no dance. You are just there, in bed. So the dance becomes a micro dance. There are little cues you give the other person, a careful touch in a spot you don't usually touch, a kiss that is a kiss that means this-is-not-a-goodnight-kiss, a pointed question like, did the kids fall asleep? These are tiny cues that have to come with other, tiny cues.
I tell the farmer, “I can't take it. The subtle stuff. It’s too much. Just tell me you want to have sex.”
So a day went by, and he did that. He said, “I want to have sex.”
I said, “Okay.”
Then I said, “Hold it. This isn’t fun. There needs to be something else.”
So we went back to the dance. And I tried to pay close attention to nonverbal cues and then respond with the appropriate nonverbal cue.
Sometimes I can do that. Like if I take a Xanax. But a lot of times, he gives one nonverbal cue, like breathing warm and wet next to my ear. And I curl up in a ball.
I curl up in a ball and tell him I'm too anxious to have sex. Even after we have had sex hundreds of times. I still do it. At first he couldn't believe it. But then he saw that I don't know left and right, really, and my math skills end, largely, at third grade, and I am an idiot savant when it comes to memorizing statistics about Gen Y tendencies at work. So now he's learned to believe anything. And he has learned that the only way to get me uncurled is to talk to me.
He does facts. He says what he's doing with his hands, what he is feeling, what we will do, what I have done, he tries to stick to facts. And he narrates his movements as he goes. And he does not expect me to move or speak, until I've heard enough verbal cues to get back in the game.
Sometimes, when the farmer was dumping me, and people were saying, how can you stick with him? I would say, “He's so good in bed.” And now you know what I mean.
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I found this interesting.
Most people require the rituals and the payoff. There needs to be a game involved, not just the act.
Meanwhile as an Asperger’s person you didn’t care about the rituals, just the payoff. You didn’t need to have a game involved, and actually preferred not to play the game.
So what is the condition of the people who are all rituals/games, but don’t actually want the payoff? I knew someone like this, just loved talking about sex, creating sexual tension, flirting, that push-pull, the seduction process, fantasies and masturbation, but the actual act seemed secondary to her.
If Asperger’s types are all payoff and no ritual, I wonder what the label is for people who are all ritual but no payoff?
Posted by T. AKA Ricky Raw on June 9, 2011 at 12:52 pm | permalink |
Some great discussion going on here. But I like the post. You have a refreshing honesty about your life…making your posts somewhat addictive.
Posted by Evan on July 15, 2011 at 1:42 pm | permalink |
I can’t tell. Either you are trying to make Asperger’s people feel bad, or you have been badly misinformed. Which, these days, any socially awkward/socially inept person has Asperger’s Syndrome. I’ve read some wierd symptoms from people who ”claim” to have this. This one takes the cake. There’s the non-verbal cues, thing. Body language is very hard to read for us, yes, but when someone says ”stick it in”, you’d have to be retarded not to know what the concept is behind that.
Blonde? Probably. Dense? Maybe. Asperger’s? Not likely.
Posted by Freakshow on July 26, 2011 at 11:25 am | permalink |
You are over-generalizing. Some Aspies are far more literal than others. Some Aspies are far more social than others. My daughter has Asperger’s, but she’s the one who runs to answer the door or phone, and is a much better “greeter” than I am, and I do not have Asperger’s.
Not all Aspies have all possible Aspie symptoms, and for the symptoms they do have, these will occur in varying amounts in different people. In short, while it’s very possible for one Aspie to easily understand the figurative meaning behind “stick it in”, another may, instead, be more inclined to understand this in the strictest literal sense.
Posted by Peter on July 27, 2011 at 8:19 pm | permalink |
Delayed understanding of sexuality is very very common among people with Aspergers, especially women.
And, while we’re talking about diagnosing and misdiagnosing, Aspergers looks very different in men than in women. Google it. There’s a lot written on that topic.
Penelope
Posted by Anonymous on October 2, 2011 at 1:52 am | permalink |
i find this article intresting. i was confirmed with aspergers 3 years ago. it has been enlightening to say the least. all my rules work (most of the time) but in a relationship with a lady that sort of understands they break down. i still feel different and my desire to be alone is hard for her. as i write i am at my house and she is at hers (i,ve let her down again). i try to understand and so does she. when she tells me one thing i process another. thank you for the post. paul.
Posted by paul hickman on August 15, 2011 at 3:06 pm | permalink |
I have Asperger’s Syndrome. Only have sex with someone who loves you. Only have sex with someone you love. Passion is not the same as someone being horny. Sex is shared passion. Sometimes one person gives more than the other person. Sex games means the people are bored with each other. Why does someone have to pretend to be someone else or act in a way that isn’t real? Sex is about love and giving and it shouldn’t be a big drawn out deal that takes hours. For a man, he needs sex to relax so he can get to sleep and go to work the next day refreshed. If you trust your partner, sex is easy. It’s not about getting in the mood either. If you love your partner, you have sex with him unless you have the flu. Does a person make a big deal about making dinner? People have to eat. You just do it and make a good meal so your loved one is healthy. Sex doesn’t have to be complicated. You shouldn’t have to set a special time for it but you can have special times, just like you have special meals.
Posted by Emily on August 19, 2011 at 6:26 am | permalink |
I find this perspective interesting. I have Aspergers syndrome, and only got diagnosed when I was 13. People who are familiar with Aspergers never even guess that I have it, because I’m actually a very social person.
I also write in my spare time, about whatever happens to fascinate me that particular day – sometimes intimate scenes, as well.
When it comes to my own intimacy, however, I live up to the stereotype of people with Aspergers syndrome being mechanical. Its not that I’m uninformed, or inexperienced, but I have trouble feeling the same pleasure that my partner feels. I’ve all but given up on masturbation, and it doesn’t seem fair that everyone else gets all the fun while I don’t.
Posted by Fara on August 22, 2011 at 2:25 am | permalink |
Aspergers people can also be really empathic also though. I’m not trying to brag but I (undiagnosed AS) have had someone climax 8 times AND I apparently gave someone the greatest orgasm they’ve ever had. it helps that i’m a Puppy. I’m all about the partner. I want to make them their absolute happiest. if I haven’t brought them to climax at least once before we start paying attention to me, I’m not satisfied. it also probably helps that though I switch (between dom & sub) and am Pansexual, I still prefer sub, so basically if they want to take charge I’d love for them to, but if they prefer me taking charge I know what they like because I like it too.
Posted by Shae on August 26, 2011 at 9:12 pm | permalink |
I’d like to add that I think another part of it is because I’m a Right Brain Aspie. the only way I’m good with numbers is when they make patterns or have symbology. I can’t do math for the life of me. I still have most of the social cue problems that most other aspies have, which is funny, because whenever I’m looking at it subjectively (when I’m at an outside perspective, such as pictures of video) I can recognise social cues, emotions, flirtation, etc. perfectly, but Socially I’m EXTREMELY Awkward and clueless. basically I need a partner whose willing to just say stuff to me straight. even if that means saying “NO, Bad Shae” to me in public when I fuck up somehow. just as long as they give me a loving pet on the head when I obey.
Posted by Shae on August 26, 2011 at 9:20 pm | permalink |
I’d like to add that you sound like a self-concerned, over-compensating, blow-hard who spends their time self-diagnosing theirself whilst all-the-while soliciting virtual-internet-praise for their non-symptomatic behaviors. If anything, I would virtual-internet-diagnose you with “Major Moron Syndrome”.
Posted by Vince Spinelli on October 1, 2011 at 3:03 am | permalink |
I’m glad somebody said it, it seems like every person with a high opinion of themselves who is too lazy to learn social skills suddenly has ‘undiagnosed aspergers’ these days without understanding just how difficult it is for those who actually do have it. They just use it as an excuse not to learn social skills.
Posted by Bobby on October 2, 2011 at 3:20 am | permalink |
I’d like to add that you sound like a self-concerned, over-compensating, blow-hard who spends their time self-diagnosing theirself whilst all-the-while soliciting virtual-internet-praise for their non-symptomatic behaviors. If anything, I would virtual-internet-diagnose you with “Major Moron Syndrome”.
Posted by Vince Spinelli on October 1, 2011 at 3:03 am | permalink |
I’d like to add that you sound like a self-concerned, over-compensating, blow-hard who spends their time self-diagnosing theirself whilst all-the-while soliciting virtual-internet-praise for their non-symptomatic behaviors. If anything, I would virtual-internet-diagnose you with “Major Moron Syndrome”.
Posted by Vince Spinelli on October 1, 2011 at 3:03 am | permalink |
I’d like to add that you sound like a self-concerned, over-compensating, blow-hard who spends their time self-diagnosing theirself whilst all-the-while soliciting virtual-internet-praise for their non-symptomatic behaviors. If anything, I would virtual-internet-diagnose you with “Major Moron Syndrome”.
Posted by Vince Spinelli on October 1, 2011 at 3:03 am | permalink |
I cannot remember the last time I laughed so hard! Thank you for sharing, it’s been very helpful.
Posted by Angie on September 7, 2011 at 3:25 am | permalink |
What you laughing at the fact that the person wrote a pile of crap prose about a fictitious aspie that can’t have decent sex. When we all know you NTs can’t keep up and end up falling asleep on the job. That all you do is talk about sex, but really when it comes down to it you can’t deliver
Posted by Chemerbleeper on October 8, 2011 at 2:20 pm | permalink |
Dear Penelope, that was some read, you and the farmer, and losing your virginity …… hmmmm. thanks for the candid commentary. lot of xxxxoooo’s in your futures
Posted by HtGillis on September 26, 2011 at 12:15 pm | permalink |
I’m a woman with Asperger’s and this woman’s a fraud. I’m not even sure she’s really had sex. Rules in sex? LOL. Since when? This all sounds like fantasy derived from reading too many online articles about Asperger’s and her own dysfunctional relationships. One of the great things about having autism and being sexually active is that sex is what you make of it. With a receptive, communicative and trusted partner, sex is a very intimate, rule-free experience. It’s not that we with autism don’t want to connect with others or can’t. We just struggle with social rules. Social rules–not intimacy. Big dif. In an intimate environment were we feel safe and unstifled by those pesky social rules, we are very open and receptive individuals capable of great intimacy. I don’t know what this woman’s problem is–although she’s certainly made a bd name for herself within the autism community with her flights of fancy–but it’s not Asperger’s. Takes one to know one, you know?
Posted by Cade DeBois on October 7, 2011 at 5:22 pm | permalink |
What a load of rubbish. I have brilliant sex with my Misses and I have Aspergers. You make out that all Aspies are stupid when it comes to sex and that we know very little about it. Well that depends on the Aspie. Maybe I am more fortunate than some but I have had a wild sex life although now I am happy to settle down with Annette who I adore and she adores me in all ways. In fact she can’t leave me alone. I am not bragging but the sex is great. I don’t go around like NTs bragging about our sex life. But I know that a lot of NTs would wish to have what I have. Granted things were difficult at the beginning and I have some heart breaking stories about how I was treated when trying to find that special someone. But that did not stop me keep trying harder and harder.
You see unlike some Aspies I am a fighter and will keep on fighting for what I want in life.
Posted by Chemerbleeper on October 8, 2011 at 2:16 pm | permalink |
I have had one relationship where the sex felt totally comfortable and natural, and I like to think that I do keep trying – I try to go on dates and at the moment I am working on lowering my standards because I don’t know if that may be a problem. You’re lucky to have your wife (I don’t mean that in a bad way).
Posted by shreena on November 21, 2011 at 11:37 am | permalink |
Incidently the brain is the best sexual organ of all and we all know us Aspies have a superior brain to NTs so really we win hands down
Posted by Chemerbleeper on October 8, 2011 at 2:18 pm | permalink |
I think that Asperger’s is a lot like ADD. A real condition that some people truly suffer from, but that a whole lot more people pretend to have as an excuse to avoid dealing with their own bullshit.
Also, if one goes into a career where they spend vast amounts of time and mental energy focusing on things that do not have a social component, their social skills are going to take a hit. Doesn’t mean they are borderline autistic, It just means they need to get out more.
Most people are so easy to read that even when they try to conceal their emotions and intentions, they cannot. The few who really are good at concealment tend to be people you can’t trust because they are usually up to no good. When it comes to social situations, there no “rules,” only an understanding of what the other person is thinking and feeling. If someone truly cannot experience what others are feeling and perceive their state of mind, then I’ve no idea what could possibly help them. I only know that trying to come up with a set of rules, an algorithm for navigating social situations – won’t help. People aren’t deterministic.
Posted by Lee Reynolds on October 10, 2011 at 6:26 am | permalink |
Me either (uf…recovering breath).
Chem, so sad you actually can’t get satisfaction, seems to me that whoever fall asleep did some job at least and enjoy it.
What?… what do you want the guy after enjoy himself his part of the sex? make a pancake? is his ENTIRELY …job (???) or obligation to make YOU have an orgasm???, aren’t two sex partners there???…
…but you take too long to understand your part of the business; no, you don’t have to rebuild Egypt pyramid, or some…weird witch poison with two thousand ingredients and old books, to still get a prince out of a frog…. IT’S A FROG godd#mmit!
It is a simple act that any animal (yep, that animal you call men, too) know, SO EASILY do it and enjoy every single time. Yep
Please, don’t let me even start trolling here…
It is sad actually that we (men) get so easily to orgasm and women are so stressed about it, looping around some social…spaghetti in their head.
Really, I wish you can ‘get YOUR job done’ like us, 1,2,3.
Many married couples would keep married if this happen if you gals.
Ok ok, I teach you gals how, but, pay attention:
….just….
.. don’t think about it!!!!,
because, there is nothing to think about it!!!.
…
Why you can’t understand you are so beautiful just, naked! You know?
‘Ohhhh…he is not following the rules of seduction…’ ….don’t…or “I’ll make you cringe”
(Sight…) It is in your gene…
Posted by PepeLePew on October 25, 2011 at 7:11 pm | permalink |
I forget to smile. Not just with sex. I am still amazed at how relaxing a smile is.
Posted by David Bennett on October 29, 2011 at 5:27 pm | permalink |
I don’t mean to insult you but I don’t believe much of this, e.g., the business about how you get pregnant so quickly or can have an orgasm on self-command. At any rate, I have many Aspergers traits and for what it’s worth I am very unlike this.
Posted by Ellen Moody on October 31, 2011 at 10:28 pm | permalink |
What the fuck am I reading?
Posted by La Volpe on November 9, 2011 at 3:22 am | permalink |
Fascinating post; thanks for sharing it. I’d like to challenge you on something though: Consider the possibility that you don’t actually have Aspergers. And neither does anyone else. It’s just a label our society applies to very intelligent people who haven’t been taught good social or emotional mastery skills. If a significant proportion of your family “had Aspergers”, then you had poor role models from whom you learned your social and emotional skills. I teach men how to be more confident, and these skills are a big part of it so I know they can be taught.
The anxiety you feel and the need for the Xanax is a clue that, like many people in Western society, you haven’t yet learned the skill of emotional mastery. It’s not your fault, and there’s nothing wrong with you. Rather than looking at a set of arbitrary rules for social interactions, consider social skills as bundle of knowledge about relating to people that you just missed out on learning as a kid. When you learn to master social skills, your emotions and the skill of empathy, you’ll find less need to label yourself as having Aspergers. Then who would you be?
Cheers,
Graham
Posted by Graham Stoney on November 12, 2011 at 9:18 pm | permalink |
I completely identify with all of this. I can come across as a pervert to people because a) I read/watch so much to do with sex and b) I don’t know where the boundary is when you’re talking to people about it. And then by contrast when it comes to the real act of having sex I don’t know what to do…I mean I know on paper what to do, and I know all the weird positions and kinks and dirty talk, but *I* don’t know what to *do*. And there’s so much adventurous stuff I want to do, and I have this image of me being sexually confident, to the extent that I’m really jealous of promiscuous girls, pornstars, and prostitutes.
And then there’s that stupid fucking dance you mentioned. How can I get from here to there with all that social bullshit in the way?!
There’s so little out there about adult autistic women, let alone how they experience relationships (most of the things I read talk about how great it is that someone can hold down a job or speak two words to another people, and don’t mention anything emotional. I mean, we might not act like it, but we do feel, intensely). So thank you so much for writing this.
Posted by shreena on November 21, 2011 at 11:33 am | permalink |
This is awesome.
Makes me feel so less awkward.
Posted by rkvb on November 27, 2011 at 10:12 pm | permalink |
Maybe it’s just my personal tendencies, but I can’t touch myself down there. Much less read about someone else doing it to check mucus without vomiting.
Posted by Lenny on January 14, 2012 at 11:34 am | permalink |
Penelope, this is an amazing and personal post, thank you for sharing. I’ve tried to research Aspergers online, but most of what I found says its just beginning to be researched.
I’ve been dating my boyfriend for three years now. My father met his mother at my mother’s funeral. Within five minutes, my father told me my boyfriend’s mother had mild Aspergers, and that my boyfriend probably had it too. My father was a psychology major in college, and went on to become a lawyer.
How do you find out if you have Aspergers? I’ve looked up basic cues, and I think my Dad may be right, but I’m not certain.
I appreciate any guidance you can offer.
Posted by Carrie on January 20, 2012 at 4:00 pm | permalink |
Classic BPD
Posted by Annie McManus on January 24, 2012 at 9:42 am | permalink |
This chick is hilarious. I stumbled on this from a link on bashing the four hour work week (book I’m reading). Can I get these “blog” things emailed to me when they come out?
Can one of you creepy followers email me and tell me how. Thanks Dan dpryor@ocnetworking.net.
Posted by Dan on February 3, 2012 at 12:00 pm | permalink |
Hi i have a partner who has aspergers i am expecting his baby how can i help him cope with the changes thats coming he seems to be going backwards and repeating himself and needing constant reasurrance I just dont know how to help him or cope with him now i have a 5yr old daughter from a previous relationship and i need to focus on her and this baby please anyone who has experience on this case could you help
Posted by lisa on February 12, 2012 at 4:48 am | permalink |
I first found out what sex was around the age of 11 by opening the encyclopedia to a random page. After that, I was passively curious for many years about what relationships and sex would be like, all the while observing how such affected other people’s lives around me. At age 33 I made a decision to try to introduce some of this strange world into my life. I never expected that 99.9% of all women I tried to talk to would be playing some “game” that still makes no sense to me. No matter how I pleaded with them to refrain from engaging in any such games, the number who even had a clue that there could be any other way to behave I could count on the fingers of one hand. After two years of this, I decided I would give up any such pursuits but would not stop talking to anyone I was already talking to. I had already developed strong emotional ties to several women, all of whom considered me “friend material only” and most of those continue to this day. One of those “friend” ties eventually began to monopolize nearly all my attention and still does. I thereby achieved most of what I had ever hoped to achieve from such pursuits, and more, without ever having had sexual intercourse. By limiting myself to nothing more than friendship, I was able to disinvolve myself in the “games” required to meet people for sexual or relationship purposes. From where I sit, nothing on Earth could possibly be worth trying to deal with all that crap. I say: Those who have sex can keep it, and I’ll keep never having it; to each their own. I don’t need it. What I found instead is far better.
I embrace and respect the fact that some aspies are like me, while others are like Penelope, regardless of gender. My twenty-something “friend” has never had sexual intercourse either, though most people she went to high school with have several kids by now. I’m pushing 40 and I look still older, and out of all the women I talked to, only one past the age of 30 ever even gave me the time of day; the rest were younger. All had major emotional problems and appreciated my sympathetic ear. One whom I actually survived two dates with (more than with anyone else) I have since mentored through several successive relationships over a year and a half, despite never having engaged in such myself, and she appreciates my insight, especially since she’s not aspie herself. She is now sure she has found “the one” and I am confident that she is right. She also tries, without much success, to reciprocate in mentoring me in my dealings with my “friend” mentioned above. My position in everyone’s friend zone is well-earned indeed, despite my often being short or abrupt with people I care about.
Lastly, I want to speak out against the utter bullshit most of the previous commemters have been spewing, especially the neo-Bettelheimian vitriol about abuse. From what I have seen, maybe nine out of ten autistic women (and yes, autism is clinically indistinguishable from Asperger’s, which is why the term “Asperger Syndrome” will officially pass into history in the USA next year) have experienced some form of sexual abuse in their past, but this is because the condition makes them prime targets, and certainly not vice-versa. Other previous commenters have bickered about whether their fellow commenters and/or Penelope are or are not really autistic. I say it’s really none of their business. Whether the general public accepts it or not, some of us are different in ways most others can never fully understand. It is not a disease or disorder, but merely a deviation from the norm, which is what diversity is all about. I do not believe it’s practical to teach everyone what autism is all about. I instead believe that if you have an autistic friend or relative you genuinely care about, then you already know enough, and if you don’t, then there’s no real point in your knowning anyway. All that’s important is for you to have the capacity to respect others without regard to your perception of whether they respect you or not, since when dealing with autistic people, this perception is highly likely to be wrong.
Our culture teaches us to trust that perception anyway, while at the same time, most religions teach us to overcome it, some more effectively than others. A majority of autistic people are atheists who lack the capability of understanding any merit to theism. Most of the rest seem to take pride in their theism. I see this divergence as yet another example of the healthy diversity of the human race. All in all, there are no bad people, and there are no good people. There are only people. Generally, people suck, but our responsibility is ourselves not to suck, rather than to concern ourselves with the suckage of others. Can’t we all just get along?
Posted by dan g on February 15, 2012 at 7:22 pm | permalink |
Love love love your blog #BOOM
Posted by personwhosimplyheartspenelope'shonesty on April 19, 2012 at 2:47 pm | permalink |
i know this post is really old.. but in case anyone else sees this site trying to learn about aspergers in themselves or someone they know… i have to say that the parody video (although i understand what they were trying to do) is moving awareness in the wrong direction. Yes they said that they exaggerated the behaviors but the general public does not know enough about asperger’s to get that they are joking. they think this is how people with AS are… and they are but not to that extreme. One of the main reasons people dont know more about it or dont accept it is because it isn’t visible. there is nothing physical to set us apart.. people think we are pretty functional and write us off as weird or simple or difficult or whatever else. people need to be shown how SUBTLE aspergers is or we are just doing more harm than good. – i dont get offended easily and i did find the video funny but only because i already know what to take and not take seriously. it makes me mad because this is exactly what people think of when they think of AS and if you dont act to that extreme you cant possibly have it.
-a 25 year old female with aspergers.
Posted by jen on May 12, 2012 at 5:31 am | permalink |
I found this very interesting, actually I started following your blog, then I shared your posts with my hubby. He of course found the sex post and read it to me. I have never read about asperger’s. I find it very interesting. When I read this, I was wondering if you have seen the movie “Real Genuis”, there is a girl in it, super intelligent, but now I reflect on her character, talking constantly, and follows the guy into the bathroom, unaware he is uncomfortable… anyway, maybe asperger’s. thanks for sharing your very open thoughts. I homeschool as well. my last son is dyslexic, probably ADD. Hubby is too. Love your blog.
Posted by deila on May 12, 2012 at 12:20 pm | permalink |
My only question is did you shake the interviewers hand afterwards?
Posted by Chuck on June 1, 2012 at 9:27 am | permalink |
In a long-term relationship, couldn’t you just work out a non-verbal, but not subtle cue. For instance, if he touches you in a particular way, it means he wants to have sex. If you don’t want to, you don’t respond. If you don’t want to have sex, but do want to fool around, you touch him in a particular way. If you do want to have sex, you take off his clothes or grab his penis, depending on if he is already naked.
Posted by Rich on July 17, 2012 at 7:27 pm | permalink |
Wow fascinating. The “rules” for social interaction are so complex; it’s amazing any of us can figure out what is going on with other people… or even ourselves.
If you want to know “Why Noah’s Wife had Aspergers,” check it out at:
http://tkthorne.wordpress.com/category/why-noahs-wife-had-aspergers/.
Posted by TK Thorne on July 29, 2012 at 11:14 pm | permalink |