I am lost. I have been lost before in my career. It’s just that I did not write about it while it was happening. I wrote about it after the fact. That’s much easier. But in the past, during the time I was lost, I simply stopped writing.
For example, I quit playing volleyball and went to graduate school for English. And, at the same time that I realized that English professors make no money and have no job security, I also got dumped by the guy I had been living with for five years. So this is what I did in graduate school: Nothing. I had already written two full novels, so I turned in a little bit of them each week. And I had to take literature courses, which I passed by reading New York Times book reviews (you’d be surprised how far back those go.) And then, after burning every bridge possible at Boston University, I left, one credit short of a graduate degree.
There were other times I fell apart. And stopped writing. For example, when I had a baby, I stayed home with it, every hour of every day, while I had an identity crisis. I still needed to support the family, but I couldn’t write anything because I couldn’t imagine giving career advice when I was having a total career meltdown. So I took columns from five years earlier and turned them in as new columns. And, after about three months of that, I got fired.
So I know it’s not going to work for me to stop writing during my current crisis because it has not worked for me in the past. At this point in my career, I have a lot of achievements. I have played professional volleyball, I climbed the corporate ladder in Fortune 500 marketing, I was a journalist at the Boston Globe, and I’ve gotten three startups funded. There's no way I’m going to go down in flames right now. I know that.
So this seems like a good time in my life to tell you what it’s like to be lost at your job. Who else would do this? It would look like career suicide to anyone else.
I worry, actually, that it looks that way for me. For example, I think maybe I went overboard in my comment, in a discussion about whether I am managing my personal brand well. Dan Schawbel gave a great answer and I could have left well enough alone. But here’s a rule about being lost: You make bad choices.
Last week, in addition to being lost at work, I was lost trying to cope with the farmer ending our engagement. So I flipped a grilled cheese with my bare hand instead of the hand holding the spatula: Insane pain. I drove myself to the emergency room, and they said I was actually at risk of going into shock behind the wheel. Okay. So it was bad enough that they gave me vicodin.
They gave me 20. Yes. Right here in Madison. You can get 20 vicodin for a grill cheese burn. If hospitals in NYC did this, there would be a run on grilled cheese ingredients all over the city.
I popped my vicodin. And I could not think. There was nothing. In only fifteen minutes, my head was a blank slate. The only thing I could see in my head was my hands literally trying to grasp for my problems. Where were they? Where were the things I was worrying about?
I hated the vicodin. I woke up the next morning excited to have my problems back.
This makes me think that maybe, somehow, I can enjoy being lost. To do that, I’m going to have to tell you my biggest problem: I have no idea what I’m doing at work and I am being a brat about it.
I think I have already made it clear that I’m difficult to work with. People cut me a lot of slack at the office. After all, I have this remarkable ability to know what works with social media even though clearly I am not able to use any tool the normal way. This must be valuable to a company. If they can put up with me in meetings.
Ryan Healy has told me not to write about him anymore. (This was his final straw.) So I’m just going to tell you that I have demonstrated for Ed, our new CEO, what Ryan does that makes me hate him, and Ed has said that I’m nuts. That he just doesn’t see what the problem is.
And. Okay. Here’s something disturbing: I have the exact same problem with my ex. The way he talks to me. And our nanny has heard him, and I ask the nanny, “Do you see how rude he is?” And the nanny says, “No, I don’t. He sounded fine to me.”
If only the nanny and the CEO knew how closely aligned they are in my life.
So my problem is that I am not hearing people right. I am not a good listener. I try to be a good listener, but I do not hear things right.
So I have a tone of voice problem, (which is typical for someone with Asperger's Syndrome, by the way). I’ve been complaining to Ryan about his tone of voice for two years, and he’d probably divorce me if he could, but, let’s be honest, the company would not do well if we did that.
So it's not just that I’m lost at work, but also I've been a brat.
I cannot solve the lost problem right now. I cannot quite figure out where I fit at my company. I mean, I gave day-to-day operations to Ryan and I gave CEOness to Ed. And where am I? Yes. I am very good at driving traffic to Brazen Careerist. Look. I’m doing it right now. It’s a game: Click.
But I need to do more than that. I am figuring that out. And I'm sure that Ryan and Ed would have more patience for me if I am not a brat while I’m figuring it out. Which means I have to:
1. Be patient when people talk. No cutting them off. Here is the post about how hard that is for me. I don’t know how I’ll stop. I have to have a rule. No talking until there is quiet space. But honestly, I panic that that space will never come.
2. Try out doing new things even if I don’t like them. Like, webinars. I’m doing a webinar tonight. I should promote that now. Okay. Here’s a link. Do you know what I hate about webinars? I can’t stay on topic, I only want to talk about sex, and I have to make my hair look good.
3. Be positive. I am always telling people what is wrong. People do not like that. I mean, they like it in a blog. Look. You’ve read this whole post. But people don’t like it in real life. And Ed and Ryan told me they don’t want to hear why things won’t work. They want to hear the most promising idea; I need to talk like someone full of hope and promise.
So I am being positive right now: I am thinking that I can decide what to try. And I can decide to think that what I try will work. And if I try something and it doesn’t work, I can try again.









Penelope,
I think you should view your third point as a strength: you are able to anticipate problems early on, which gives you plenty of time to prepare and avoid them. I've found that it makes an enormous difference if you tell people "We should make it glow so people can see it in the dark" instead of "Tell me, how are people supposed to see it in the dark?", or even the less snarky "What if it's dark?". Some of the problems you anticipate never show up, so if you can't improve the situation perhaps it is better to simply not mention small problems that haven't arrived yet?
In your previous posts where you have told people to not go to grad school I think it would have been fair to your readers to mention that you left grad school without a degree.
Posted by Sam on 12/22/2009 at 08:58am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, I think the wall at work is much bigger than you imagine, and no amount of better listening strategies will get you over it.
Face up to it — you were "let go" some months ago, and it is fully documented in your blog. When your company ran out of money and was temporarily rescued by investors, you lost all operating responsibility. Like many company founders who lose control of their own companies, you continue to sit at your desk but get no work. You continue going to meetings, but no one wants to hear your opinions. No wonder you feel lost at work!
Honestly, you need to start thinking about your next job, not clinging to the last one.
Posted by Kay Teris on 01/01/2010 at 09:43am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I like the direct honest truth. I would like to add that perhaps you've outgrown your position/involvement and your talents/strengths are better served somewhere else. For many people in similar situations, maybe it's an indication that we all have to re-evaluate what skills/talents are valuable or not, and where they might be best served.
Posted by Thanh Lu on 2010-01-03 01:08:34 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
As someone hitting a wall at work (and home and everywhere), I appreciate hearing what you are going through and how you are trying to deal with it. Maybe this is part of how you continue to add to Brazen Careerist – Gen Y's who are working right now are probably hitting walls that they can't get around. There are plenty of other people who want their jobs, and not many new jobs out there. What I and others need to know is how to hit the wall, and then productively find a door or a window through it–or to see someone else's example of how they tried to do that.
Posted by M on 12/22/2009 at 09:10am | permalink | Reply to this comment
P-
Maybe you're too close to it all to see this, but you've been (more or less) saying this for the past decade: You're incredibly good a starting companies and not so good at running them. Perhaps this is why you are having so much trouble finding your niche at BC.
Something to think about: what we are good at is not necessarily something that makes us happy and what makes us happy may be something at/with which we struggle (which, ironically, may be why it makes us happy).
Posted by adam on 12/22/2009 at 09:27am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I can identify with being better at starting businesses than running them. I love the thrill of the initial conception, the grand ideas, and the risk taking.
When everything is up and running it seems to become more mundane.
Posted by Marshall Wayne on 12/29/2009 at 04:34am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Five years ago, my wife announced she wanted to separate and I got canned from my job managing software testers, all within a few weeks. The canning happened the day after I signed a lease on a really lousy one-room apartment, two weeks before Christmas. Whee.
I don't get office politics but I did something that was accidentally politically brilliant, and it caused a different job to materialize at that company. It didn't seem right for my career but at least I wasn't broke.
And then a knock-down, drag-out divorce ensued, eighteen months of nonsense.
I had no idea what to do at work. I barely had any idea what to do in my personal life. Looking back, I can see that I ended up focusing on things I liked to do and did well. I like to write so I started a blog. I liked to dabble in technical things so I did a little light coding at work. I wasn't feeling any of it, if you know what I mean, but I kept at it, day after day. New, better work opportunities arose from that job that didn't seem right for my career, and the blog introduced me to some people with whom I'm now working on some interesting personal projects.
But I guess the bottom line here is that I just tried not to think about where I fit and what I should be doing, and instead kept showing up every day and doing the things I liked and thought I was good at. As things started to sort themselves out elsewhere in my life, focusing on these things paid off.
Posted by jim on 12/22/2009 at 09:30am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I really like jim's comment… I'm kinda where he was several years ago…
Penelope "Grace" Trunk, perhaps you can take your mind off your troubles for a bit by giving a random internet dood some advice on how to cope with the dissolution of a marriage.
My interesting, well paying job (that I had worked my butt off for) dissolved this year, largely as a result of the financial meltdown. Also my wife told me that she had "given up" on the marriage 2 years ago and that I should move out. Problem is, how do I move out with no job? Also, when I do move out, after 2 years of being withheld attention & affection, I gotta go through 1 year of separation before I'm actually divorced.. Most self-respecting women don't want to get involved with someone still technically married.. But I'm in the prime of my life! I have a lot to offer, and I want/need/deserve to love and be loved! WTF?!!
Think about throwing a few wise words my way, babe.. I'm struggling here!!! I think you'd have some interesting insights that would benefit me and some of your other readers!!! Thanks in advance!!!
Posted by ed on 12/23/2009 at 09:31am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Have you ever seen the movie Castaway with Tom Hanks?
At its core, it's a story about being lost and learning to deal with it. After being rescued, someone asks Tom's character, "So, how did you deal with being alone for all those years?"
And he replies with something along the lines of, "I kept breathing, and I waited to see what the tide would bring."
When you're lost, sometimes I think that's all you can do.
Breathe in.
Breathe out.
Wait to see what happens next.
Posted by Jon on 12/22/2009 at 09:32am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I agree Jon. Sometimes we just have to keep on living your life one moment at a time when things don't seem to be going all that well.
Posted by Marshall Wayne on 12/29/2009 at 04:35am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I thought your comment to the article was brilliant- definitely not overboard.
Posted by Angela on 12/22/2009 at 09:42am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Here's what I would ask a friend (because I FEEL like you're my friend, even though people reading this will think that's odd because you don't know me): Are you sure you're not feeling lost at work because of the break-up? Because I don't remember you mentioning this before in recent posts. Sometimes when everything's going okay and a break-up enters the picture, it makes us feel like things aside from the break-up are going bad, too. Is it possible that you're still really upset about the break-up, but not as lost as work as you think you are?
Posted by Alexis Grant on 12/22/2009 at 09:44am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks God you are back, I Was minutes away from sending you a private message. This is what you do best, why stay away ? of course you just explained that brilliantly on today's post. But really, why stay away? Do you know why we keep coming back? Because we love to hear someone else is saying the things we don't dare to say; that someone else is having issues, feeling lost, is alone, is basically having a hard time dealing with it all. There is so much pressure to have it all together, to be in control, being in control is so overrated. I have learned the most about myself and life when I had no idea if I was coming or going, when the pain was so unbearable that could barely stand it. So what you are a brad (you are already determine to work on that), so what you are lost at work (most people-yours truly included-) have issues at work, might even dread the morning because yet again we have to appear poise, together, and like we actually give a penny (I am trying to stop my foul language).
So my dear P, join the club, and know that many us wait desperately for the next update, where we can live vicariously through you and for a very brief moment deal with our own madness.
Great post.
Posted by Cat in Boston on 12/22/2009 at 10:00am | permalink | Reply to this comment
What you do for BC is exactly what you did today. You wrote about things that we can relate to. You have people that believe in you because you are bold enough/brave enough to write about things that connect us all. I only wish i had the guts to write about the lessons i've learned over the years. Your operations guy and your CEO don't do this.
Peeking into someone else's life to see how they cope, how they live, how they succeed… inspires your readers to keep trying. To try new things. And for one girl in a very small town… it shows me how much more is outside this area code that I never even knew about.
Write more. Write about how to find autonomy at work, about the farmer, about how to network and build a community. Write about how people drive you nuts and about how you drive in circles. It's fascinating. really.
and about being lost… reading this today made me feel less alone in my own 'lost-ness'.
Today's post at stevepavlina.com/blog is about clarity. You might enjoy.
Posted by sosympl on 12/22/2009 at 10:09am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks. This is great career advice that you're giving me :)
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on 12/22/2009 at 10:27am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Same here, darling, same here, hit the wall in current strategy, feeling forward, people cutting me slack as we fumble forward.
Be a strategist – not in the bullshit life coach way, be the strategist you are already for BC.
You are an amazing success already, keep the good working going and innovate.
Now, I shall go and pull covers over my head at 11:15 AM .)<
Posted by alan W. on 12/22/2009 at 10:14am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
Your comment on my blog was NOT overboard, it was awesome. If it WAS overboard, maybe I am too "brazen" to notice.
Thank you for putting this post out there. It's almost impossible to write or develop ideas when feeling down or lost. In fact, I think this is many entrepreneur's biggest set back- a depression of sorts that prevents them from moving forward. I feel this way all the time. I'm sure many others do too but never say it.
I have no doubt you will embrace your temporary low and turn it into a high (or possible new venture?) in no time.
Nicole
Posted by Nicole Crimaldi on 12/22/2009 at 10:21am | permalink | Reply to this comment
"So I am being positive right now: I am thinking that I can decide what to try. And I can decide to think that what I try will work. And if I try something and it doesn’t work, I can try again." This is the gem in the this whole article. Like Dorrie says, in Finding Nemo, just keep swimming, Penelope.
Posted by Beckie on 12/22/2009 at 10:23am | permalink | Reply to this comment
The soul within our individual souls loves the one who runs & falls down more than the one who sits & watches. -Rumi
Posted by Rhonda on 12/22/2009 at 10:24am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Not super related to your post but I want to strangle all the morons I work with today more than most other days. Some days its fine and some days (like today) I think I should have just stayed at home. However I am not self-employed so I come in and hate my moronic co-workers. The good thing is that they are great for my intellectual confidence, I am definitely smarter than them. I really appreciate when they tell me how to be because I haven't had every thought in their little heads.
Do you ever get over this?
Posted by Erin A. on 12/22/2009 at 10:52am | permalink | Reply to this comment
"How can I know what I think until I read what I write…."
James Reston said that.
Just keep writing.
It'll come to you.
r
Posted by rich on 12/22/2009 at 11:00am | permalink | Reply to this comment
loved this post… I think there are a LOT of people lost right not (at work, at home, trying to cope with the holidays and the insane expectations…)
I like your focus on what you can DO about it. I do the same things – I make a list of ways I should behave, and then I stick to it. But I also admit when things are tough, and hopefully the people around love me enough to help me get through it. That's my strategy, anyways – try and stay positive, and surround myself with people who "get it." and if I am around someone who does "not get it" then I just have to watch what I say, and listen more than I speak.
Posted by alison on 12/22/2009 at 11:05am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Also, it seems that many brilliant ideas come in the wake of darkness… draw from it… When things are going great, it seems we don't feel the need to search as diligently for answers.
Posted by Sosympl on 12/22/2009 at 11:25am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Your honesty amazes me. I'd be scared to death to publish that I was lost at work. Though the times I have been I'm sure everyone knew it anyway. When I'm struggling, whether it's work, working out, or taking the laundry up the stairs, it's a moment to moment decision to do or not do. And most of the time I make myself do it until all of the sudden it's not a conscious decision anymore. When I'm really stuck, I try completely changing my environment. I personally love bookstores, so sitting in one and breathing in the book smell, flipping through European magazines, or books on architecture calms me, makes me happy and often inspires me as well. It's like a mini vacation. Although, if you can take an actual vacation where you completely change your surroundings for a while and gain the perspective of distance from a current situation, that could really make a difference too. Good luck!
Posted by Donna Crain on 12/22/2009 at 11:27am | permalink | Reply to this comment
My first ever comment on this blog. Two things: first, I agree with Alexis. You have just had an incredibly difficult breakup and that may be what you are really having a problem with more than your work issues. If you were really thinking clearly about those work issues you wouldn't be seeing it as an identity crisis, but as an opportunity to provide value to a business that is running far better as a result of decisions you helped make (putting Ryan and Ed where they are).
Second, on the patience-when-others-are-talking problem — I have the same problem. I think I may have found a solution that works for me. Rather than waiting for an open space to get a word in (which generally makes me both resent the person talking and also want to jump out of my skin), I ask myself "what am I learning from this person right now." It may be corny but it is far easier to avoid interrupting someone when you are really listening to them (whether or not they are right) than to just try to hold yourself back.
Posted by Rob DC on 12/22/2009 at 11:34am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Oh. This is such good advice about listening. It makes me think there is honest listening (which is what you describe) and dishonest listening – which is not listening to the content, but listening for a pause.
Honesty is so hard.
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on 12/22/2009 at 11:41am | permalink | Reply to this comment
One thing that I've gotten out of reading your blog is thinking differently about interpersonal communications at work. For instance, maybe some of the people I'm dealing with don't have full blow Aspergers, but there is always a disconnect between the lens I see things through, and the lens others see things through. It accounts for a lot of miscommunication in the workplace. Perspective is key, and I've learned a lot about that from reading your blog. I'm fascinated by your interactions with Ryan and Ed, etc.
Posted by Erin on 12/22/2009 at 11:36am | permalink | Reply to this comment
thought you might find this interesting (if you haven't already heard about it)
http://www.copyblogger.com/james-chartrand-underpants/#more-6063
Posted by Julia on 12/22/2009 at 11:48am | permalink | Reply to this comment
"Yes. I am very good at driving traffic to Brazen Careerist. Look. I’m doing it right now. It’s a game."
You said it, sister.
Posted by Kerry Kimble on 12/22/2009 at 01:21pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I just spent 3 months with a coach trying to figure out what career I REALLY wanted, only to finally realize that I don't really want a career. I want to be a stay-at-home mom.
Only I'm the breadwinner and my husband is chronically ill. So that's not an option.
Bad news: I'm stuck. Good news: I'm only stuck if I see it that way.
"Lost" is an attitude, not a situation. You can write your way out of this one. I have faith in you. :)
Posted by Tzipporah on 12/22/2009 at 01:32pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
It seems you use Asperger syndrome too often as a crutch.
Posted by mykel on 12/22/2009 at 01:33pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
As previously pointed out, when a relationship suffers, everything else seems to as well. (I can understand the desire just to talk about sex immediately after a breakup; it seems that's when it's needed most. The act itself, I mean.) I started reading this weblog recently, but it seems that you and the farmer were a good fit. When you have a relationship that "just works" and when the other person adds so much to your life AND your family, only to fall apart, it's crushing.
I recently had a boss who taught me that people, in general, are very poor listeners. I found out she was, too! That said, Rob DC has excellent advice. It'll help me out when I'm not in my caregiver mode.
Finally, to expand on what Alan W. said: a lot of people who start companies end up taking non-executive roles within the company (such as programming) or go on to start new ones. The fact is, people who thrive greatly in the act of creation have much more difficulty maintaining that leadership role when things become "routine." You can choose to act on that knowledge, or just understand that things are a bit harder for you now than they were. You will find your way :)
"I'm not OK, you're not OK, and that's OK." – William Sloane Coffin
Posted by econopete on 12/22/2009 at 03:05pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Oops, didn't mean to write that as a reply.
Posted by econopete on 2009-12-22 15:06:22 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
Someone can't "use" Asperger syndrome as a crutch, anymore than someone can "use" blindness as an excuse for bumping into things.
So few Asperger people tell us this eloquently what they experience. Liane Holliday's "Pretending to be Normal" is the only other one that comes to mind.
The takeaway is in how we change the way we interact with the Aspies in our lives.
Penelope, one listening device I get my son to use is paraphrasing. While he's listening, he's thinking about how he would paraphrase what he's hearing. When it's his turn to talk, he starts: "So what you said was…" and states it in one sentence. When the person agrees, then it's his turn to launch into his version of events. It makes the listener feel good, makes sure the communication is clear, and gives both parties a full turn. This is similar to the other commenter's idea of listening to learn something about the person speaking.
Posted by Nancy on 12/23/2009 at 07:46am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks for writing this! I'm at a similar point in life and I'm waiting for the work to just click in. I know I should push through but I just can't seem to do it right now.
I get very dissapointed when I have something to say and there isn't a break to say it in. At which point I'm actually jumping in my seat a little trying not to raise my hand but visibly getting overly excited to add my comment. And the person I'm speaking to has to stop in the middle of what they are saying and let me speak because it's impossible to ignore me any longer. I really try to be more conscious of this, to wait for an appropriate time to speak, but more often than not one doesn't come up and others jump in ahead of me. By the time there is an open space to speak, my comment is no longer appropriate. Very frustrating.
Posted by Jessica on 12/22/2009 at 01:56pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Being lost is hard for drivers, especially ones who know most of the time where they want to go. A trusted mentor once told me "There are no bad decisions, just subsequent ones." We all make a decision with the best information at hand and then proceed to make secondary decisions as necessary. Start with just one decision and go from there.
I think you listen fine. What is the downside is your passion which drives you to be heard first—just in case no one is listening later. When you realize that you can always speak, no matter when and about whatever you want, you will be able to "hear" others in the discussion. It's just that drivers are afraid they will be left behind if they don't jump in right away.
You're fine. I am not trying to minimize your angst in relationships with home or work. Life is complex and messy. I will keep listening to you because you've always spoken the truth. I believe that you just have a fear that no one is listening.
Posted by Crysta Wille on 12/22/2009 at 02:04pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I am lost, too. I cried all the way to to work today because I realized this morning that I left a load of laundry at the laundromat on SATURDAY. (it's Tuesday) I went back and, of course, it was gone.
I want to quit my extra-stressful job and move out of NYC. Only one problem: I have an employment contract until Aug 2011. I've been trying to transfer and the other office won't take me right now because of the economy.
Like you, I have been here before. I had a complete meltdown after a few years in the nonprofit arts. I did a 180 and am now in a very corporate job. I'm hoping to avoid the complete meltdown this time around, though.
I love your blog because you talk about issues that I am dealing with that no one else talks about. Thanks for that.
Posted by Kristen on 12/22/2009 at 02:17pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think you are doing an incredible job of managing your brand. A basic tenet of your brand appears to be your unabashed honesty. I read your blog consistently (only one of two that I do) because I know I can count on that. I am certain that many people find it refreshing and reassuring because that level of honesty is so rare and your experiences are so relatable (although no one else dares to talk about them).
It occurred to me while reading your post that there's an interesting contrast that is going on between your current situation and that of Tiger Woods (bear with me on this). He created a brand that clearly was not consistent with who he truly was and became so trapped by that brand that he was forced to keep his feelings about his marriage (and his subsequent infidelities) a secret. Your career and brand would never take the hit that his has because your brand is consistent with who you truly are–painfully honest and kind of wacky.
I think one's personal brand should evolve based on who you really are, not a total fabrication created for the purpose of selling things. Your shocking candor in a very public setting works for you. It wouldn't work for me because that's not really my personality and would come across as contrived. But then I am incredibly savvy in highly political situations that require subtle finesse, while you have acknowledged that you are not. That's part of my personal brand.
All this is to say that I get a lot of value out of you just being you. For example, I have become much more tolerant and appreciative of my quirky husband and coworkers. I hope you are never pressured to the point where you conform to how others would prefer you to be.
Posted by Casey on 12/22/2009 at 02:47pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Just a thought from a developmental theory-based outpatient therapist: 20-somethings (Gen Y or any generation) are still figuring out who they are. That's the developmental task from adolescence up through young adulthood. The stage of trying on roles, archetypes, stereotypes, and brands used to be for teenagers. Now, it's expanded well into young adulthood and combined with the stage of learning how to become intimate with partners.
Translating that into marketing or "branding": The Gen Y-er's job (and anyone in that stage) is to try on brands and criticize other people's brands until the individual finds what they will sustain. As you explained in your (not outrageous) comment– you are beyond that stage. You know who you are, you know what your 'brand' is, and you demonstrate this via the medium of your blog. I think Dooce is similarly successful through Heather's use of the blog medium. You both know who you are, and you articulate that through your blogs and gain readership by focusing on what matters to you in your own specific voices.
These young ones (let me get my walker here and wag my finger) don't know what it's actually like to have a solidified 'brand' or Self–it's still developing. It's not complete yet. They don't usually have a sustained identity or authentic brand–or at least, not the way someone who's lived for another decade or two could convey. They still think they can change almost every aspect of who they are to fit what they want to be in the world. You can't change your personality type all that drastically, re-brand who you truly are. But in your 20's you don't necessarily know that yet.
Anyway–just wanted to add a spin on the branding subject.
I admire and enjoy your work, and wish you comfort while you face the rocky waters. Maybe it's time to start a new company? No matter what–keep up the yoga. Blessings!
Posted by Jess on 12/22/2009 at 05:43pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I haven't even read this entire article yet but am already compelled to comment. I have been/am currently lost too. You stop writing? I haven't even begun – imagine justifying yourself to people, saying you want to be a writer, and then just not writing. Believe me, I realize how pathetic I look! And then I just stop telling people what I'm doing because I'm not doing anything. At some point, I am going to complete my Brazen Careerist profile so that I can link in to your groups. Because I think you're cool and honest, and we might have a lot in common. And I'm a really good friend – and as weird as it sounds – I'd like to be your friend. How insane I look! I'm going back to reading the rest of your article now :) Please take care of yourself, because you are inspiring me every day with your refreshing and ever so slightly irreverent take on life.
Posted by Rachel on 12/22/2009 at 03:06pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope — thank you so much for this post. I feel lost at work and in my career, off and on, and it is highly frustrating. And sometimes, I just want to curl up in a ball and hide…but that doesn't seem to work — it just makes me more frustrated and confused. I think what you touched upon is really, really important –> sometimes, we just have to keep doing what we have always been doing, what we are drawn to and wait for everything else to sort itself out. Not that we are not having an impact on our lives, but so many of us cannot afford (financially, emotionally, mentally, etc.) to just withdraw from the world. So, just sticking with what we know and continuing to show up each day — that is really the only way to persevere, huh?
And that is what life is about, right? Perseverance. That is the only way we get to our goals, the only way the tortoise beats the hare in the race, the only way that we can look back and be so proud of our accomplishments. Perseverance. So thank you for spelling out what perseverance looks like when someone hits a wall. Just keep getting up every day and handling each day as it comes. Thank you for your honesty. :-)
Posted by Sophia on 12/22/2009 at 03:41pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hokey smokes, I’ve been lost in my career for going on 20 years now. At this point, the problem may be that I don’t know what NOT being lost would feel like.
I also have the “tone of voice” problem – I often hear hostility when it is not intended. I tend to go to the opposite extreme and never speak up because the quiet space never seems to arrive. A lot of what you write about the Asperger’s experience gives me encouragement, so I’m glad you plan to keep writing.
Posted by Scott Bravard on 12/22/2009 at 03:52pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
mm, I have the opposite, love my job but my friends and my husband hate it because they salaray is `ridiculous`, meaning very bad, low. So is it really a crisis, well yes if I live beyond my means. But I am happy when i get home at night. I was having a crisis when I was unemployed, just before I accepted the low paying job. So new challenges are essential. Take on something brand new…
Posted by Wiana on 12/22/2009 at 04:12pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
penelope..
i love your transparency; i too feel lost this holiday season..i am still trying to understand why i dont have a partner when a partner is all i want.
my career is at a standstill..i thought i would be way ahead of the curve by now..
the only solace that comes to me at this time is this line by viktor frankl..
"what is to give light must endure burning"
murphy
Posted by murphy on 12/22/2009 at 04:12pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I sent you an email a few months ago because I felt so lost it was consuming my every thought. What you wrote me really helped and so I guess I just wanted to remind you of your own advice:
"Be patient with yourself. You have a whole life ahead of you. Being lost for a few more years is fine. Really. And you'll learn so much about yourself through the process of trying to find your place."
I think once we stop beating ourselves up about being lost, it's easier to figure out what to do next. Learning to be patient with myself has been so critical to my peace of mind. I hope your advice helps you as much as it helped me.
Posted by Victoria on 12/22/2009 at 04:25pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This is a great moment. Sometimes I tell myself that I'm insane to answer every single email I get. But I do it, and I think, somewhere, it is making the world a better place that I do that.
And now, Victoria sends my email back to me. At the perfect time. Thank you, Victoria.
It's so much easier to see the help that other people need. It's so much harder to see what we need for ourselves. That's why doing life together, in a community, is so fun and so interesting to me.
And I'm going to keep answering all those emails…
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on 12/22/2009 at 06:38pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks for highlighting the need for more people — like me — to keep quiet when others are talking. I'm a fast talker & thinker and sometimes "talk over" my direct reports when theyre speaking (much too slowly for my taste) to me. Thanks to RobDC, I think I have a new strategy to try to correct this unproductive habit at work.
P.S. How the H. does someone even manage to flip a grilled cheese sandwich by hand/sans spatula?! (The life skills I've learned about on this blog never fail to amaze me …)
Posted by neko on 12/22/2009 at 05:22pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
How about, no talking until there is a quiet space, or the person starts to repeat themselves.
Some people have conversation styles where they wait for another person to interrupt them. These people are often men (or from New York, or not Anglo, or any number of groups) and this means often women feel shut down in conversations, when actually the men are waiting to be interrupted. When they start to repeat themselves, that means they've said what they wanted to say. If you aren't sure, maybe you could interrupt at that point and clarify the point they just repeated – that way if they are repeating it for a different reason (like, they're not sure you understood it, or they can't quite articualte it right) you won't come accross as rude.
Posted by Kate on 12/22/2009 at 05:47pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
You may brood over problems a lot. This seems to make you understand yourself exceptionally well. I wonder whether your perspective allows you to keep the whole picture in focus. Are you not really lost only if you remain stuck in a bad place? It would be hard to believe that someone so resourceful cannot push through it.
Are you hearing people right? Well, of course the fact that someone disagrees with you doesn't necessarily make them right. There is certainly a problem with some, more outgoing people being blind to abrasive behavior. You do seem to monitor your own behavior as well as others'.
I am sometimes unpopular at work for pointing out why something is not going to work. I don't see much virtue in embracing problems. I often lose the battles, but there really are things which are best avoided.
We all have our good and bad points. If you're good at what you do, some degree of eccentricity is tolerated. I am sure that others you mention have their rough spots as well. The mix of people may make the organization better.
Is the lost feeling work related? Is it possibly just heaped upon whatever is going on from the broken engagement?
You know, you've done some really interesting things in your life. You've accomplished a lot.
Posted by mj on 12/22/2009 at 06:01pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hi, Sounds like you are going through a rough patch. Don't worry. Its the season. Everyone does from Thanksgiving till after the New Year.
Take some time off. Stop writing. Enjoy the holidays, recharge and bounce back next year.
Posted by alfred on 12/22/2009 at 07:57pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Kathrien Ahn wrote "How to be positive… when things suck" for ChangeThis.
Bob Sutton ("The No Asshole Rule") wrote about the psychologist William Schutz in a recent blog. His recommendation is to concentrate on keeping things simple.
Posted by Brad on 12/22/2009 at 09:32pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
In work situations, I've tried to avoid talking about what's not working to a superior or colleague, at least until I could pinpoint "why" it's not working. Because for some reason, a feasible solution is usually included with the "why," a bit like getting that second ShamWow for free. It's not magical, but it sort of is.
Posted by Livvy on 12/22/2009 at 10:07pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
This post's appearance was timely for me. I was just looking at an online job board for my "old" profession (me being a slightly-lapsed librarian; I'm working in a different field at the moment). I hadn't reviewed the board in awhile. When I did, my reaction to all the qualifications and requirements for various positions was "WTF!?!" What they were asking for was way over my head– and gosh I sure don't know how I'd get smart enough to even think of applying for any of them!
Regarding your comment about Aspergers and mixed vocal signals: I think you're already ahead if you realize it's a problem. I had a similar thing happen to me with my Aspie friend– I responded to something he said in a firm but polite voice, and it was interpreted as yelling. I didn't know what to do after that!
Anyways, best of luck getting back into the game. You sound like a survivor; I'm have no doubt you'll pull through, and will continue to amaze us. Be strong! :)
Posted by Annette on 12/22/2009 at 10:19pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I agree with Angela. Your comment was spot on – definitely not overboard.
Posted by Kerry NZ on 12/22/2009 at 11:48pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Though we've not met, you are one of my guiding lights, Penelope. Yes, honesty and feeling lost are hard. Yet we are all here together and the support in this community is vast. Keep writing – we're all reading.
Posted by Marsha Keeffer on 12/23/2009 at 12:10am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope–don't flog yourself too hard for being lost. You're in transition–being lost is the "neutral zone" that William Bridges described, that place between the gears while you're shifting from one into the other. It is a natural and normal (healthy, even) part of the transition process, so don't flog yourself too hard–recognize it for what it is: a stage in the process of your evolution. It isn't the first time you've been here and it won't be the last. Enjoy it if you possibly can–sounds hard to believe, I know, but it is incredibly liberating once you see it for what it is and go along with it, see where it leads you.
Posted by Glenn on 12/23/2009 at 01:47am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Don't you have some more Asperger-friendly people around somewhere? Can't you get yourself around them and in some different Asperger-friendly environments just to get some balance and fresh perspective? You are doing a lot of good for a lot of other people giving them this much access and insight, but you may be making it too hard on yourself.
Posted by Mark Porter on 12/23/2009 at 03:13am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, my favorite part of your brilliance is your habit, or practice, of talking about what has meaning (to you, but obviously to lots of other people too) without regard to what is "ok" or conventionally accepted or within boundaries.
That is to say, you refuse to set any hard and fast rules about what can be said / written…you make that decision every single time you speak, for better or worse. That is brave and most of all intellectually honest. Keeping one's critical thinking capacity on all the time – not hiding it behind laws or rules of polite discourse – is key to doing anything different or better.
Posted by Tracey on 12/23/2009 at 06:12am | permalink | Reply to this comment
penelope
i have been thinking about your perceived inability to hear affect in people's voices..ie anger irritability etc..
in my opinion; most people do not own nor recognize their "shadow" selves..and so disown their anger/frustration etc.
how does this translate in real time?
you say to ms. x..you sound angry..now in our judeo/christian culture,anger is not quite acceptable.so ms x says..me angry? no..i am just tired/bored/fillintheblanck..
perhaps you are just picking up the truth..and then speaking it; instead of not responding..
just a thought.
Posted by murphy on 12/23/2009 at 06:32am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think you should have an "advice column" on Brazen Careerist. This is something you would do very well and would add a lot of value. Include a new feature (rather than a group/network) where people ask questions and you answer them and also allow other users to comment on them with their input. You seem to be great at doing this on a one to one basis via email with people, why not go a step further and go public, allowing others to benefit from your advice too. You always have a unique perspective that many people just don't see – which is great. No career advice is perfect and applies to everyone, but getting various views always helps a person to decide for themselves.
Oh and before I attend important meetings, I always go to the bathroom just to check my hair. If I know my hairs okay, then I am confident. Crazy as it sounds, but it works for me.
Posted by Kat on 12/23/2009 at 06:33am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Good stuff today. I too am lost, in so much in my life, work, relationship in steady-state nothingness, just a robot most days, feeling rather unappreciated at work, blah blah. When I fell apart at a past job, I really blew the whole thing. My toxic relationship nearly sunk my career as my entire being was focussed on the 'guy' and definitely led to my mental crash and burn. So the lesson in that? I turfed the guy, visited a friend in Nova Scotia, and cried and cried for a week, nurtured by her compassion, and came back a little better. The damage was done at work; I had cooked that goose very very well. I had to leave as everybody hated me and didn't understand my mental breakdown. We ALL hit the wall, in our personal and professional lives. I guess the way to stay alive thru it all is to learn the lessons it teaches, try to not alienate our colleagues and families and, as well, try to keep our self-esteem (my personal favourite) afloat. Take care, Penelope, we all care about you and what you have to say. Happy Hanukkah!
Posted by Lynn Kennedy on 12/23/2009 at 07:09am | permalink | Reply to this comment
There are many things I would like to comment on. However, I may be able to add value in one area in particular.
On being positive…
Hang out with some "negative" people. You know, the ones who see all the problems. At some point you will realize that they are sucking all of the energy out of the room. You are trying to motivate people to do the impossible and some "genius" is pulling the carpet out from under you. After you go through this a few times, you may realize that this is what you are doing to others.
Seeing the end or result of the process, with all of its challenges, before others even begin to conceptualize the process is a gift – frustrating as hell but a gift. Few people can do it.
Learn to speak to others in a language they are willing to hear. You've done this before. Just put a "positive" filter on your thoughts before they escape your head. Warning – some will hear your words as sarcasm. Good luck.
Sorry I missed your webinar. It probable would have helped.
Posted by Neale on 12/23/2009 at 07:21am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hey,
I'm not really sure what advice I could give you about what happens when you hit the wall. I tend not to think about my career path. I spent 5 years at a major university before my scholarship/loans ran out a bit after my discipline did, leaving before I could get a piece of paper that I still don't think would really help past the first job. I then relied on skills I had learned at the family business to get two jobs at newspapers, then started using my computer skills to go through a succession of 12 jobs in 18 years, never more than 3 years in a spot. Somehow I've managed to keep a general trend of moving upwards while not focusing on climbing ladders or playing office politics. Just focus on doing a good job at whatever you're doing and never stop trying to figure out what it is that you do better than other things. Good luck. (And keep writing, I love the voice you express, it's fairly different than other writing I've come across.)
Posted by Hofo on 12/23/2009 at 07:47am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hey Penelope,
I always appreciate how much you share about your struggles. I sort of hate when people make suggestions/give advice in blog comments, as if the person writing doesn't know, but I have a suggestion. ;-)
I was just thinking that if you're lost, maybe the problem is that you think you have to fix it. Maybe you don't. Maybe it will fix itself if you give it a little time.
If you want to fix it because you need more things to do to keep yourself occupied in order to help you soldier on through a tough period in your life, why don't you just do more of what you're good at (and what's good for the company). So if that's driving traffic to Brazen Careerist, how can you do more of that?
I hope this wasn't annoying advice and I hope you feel better/less lost soon!
Posted by Sarah Bush on 12/23/2009 at 08:32am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I am where you are because I am totally lost in life at the moment. For me it's a miscarriage, crumbling marriage, a day job where my coworkers behave like middle school students, and a start up that is just starting up. It's comforting to know that highly successful people feel lost at times. When you are lost, you feel like you are walking alone because no one really likes to admit that their internal compass is spinning on it's axis at a dizzying rate. I am handling being lost by visiting a close friend in another state with the hope that distancing myself will provide perspective on the situation.
Also, I attended your webinar last night. The part where you started talking about BJs and laughing hysterically while Ryan Paugh looked bewildered was hilarious. I'm not sure if the bewildered look was because of the delay or the hysterical laughter. Either way, I was literally laughing out loud and I think I learned something about blogging too.
Posted by Courtney on 12/23/2009 at 08:44am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I am a bad listener as well. Given that I spent a decade-plus as a decently successful print journalist who conducted hundreds of interviews, this came as a surprise to me when I left newspapers and went to work in the "real" world. I'm also difficult to work with, have a problem with my tone of voice, and have been told that I am very negative. I do not have Asperger's; I'm just a difficult person (thanks, genetics).
The good news is that list of things I'm not good at is all learned behavior. I am slowly learning the social rules of the workplace, which everyone else seems to have been born knowing, and I totally relate to your strugles with Asperger's because of it.
Here are some of the tricks that have worked for me:
1. You're right that waiting for a break in a meeting so you can talk is not listening. When you catch yourself doing that, stop and put yourself in the moment. Take 30 seconds to write notes on what you want to say so that you can say it later, then go back to just listening. I've found that when I do this, my comment or concern will be addressed two minutes later by someone else. It's interesting to see what happens when I sit back and don't try to control the conversation.
2. It's hard to remember to be positive in conversations, but it's easy to do in e-mails. I'll find myself replying to e-mails by starting with what's wrong (with the idea, plan, information, whatever). Before I send an e-mail, I reread it and add the positive in — and I put the positive stuff first. Even if it's something as small as, "You've got some great ideas in here. Thanks for sharing. Have you thought about … ?"
3. When my tone of voice becomes a problem, I stop talking, even in a one-on-one conversation. It gives the other person a chance to get everything out on their end. Then I wait 5-10 seconds in silence before I say anything, and I try to say as little as possible. It doesn't always fix things, but it makes sure that it doesnt' get worse.
Posted by Lea on 12/23/2009 at 09:53am | permalink | Reply to this comment
This is great advice, Lea. Really helpful. Thanks. I think my number one focus in my life right now is number three: To just stop talking if I'm not talking nicely. That seems really important. It's so hard though. In the moment, everything I have to say feels so important…
Penelope
Posted by Penelope Trunk on 12/23/2009 at 11:28am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks for your post Penelope, it is so honest. I always stopped writing when the shit hit the fan and it was always a mistake. After 'discovering' you and your blog, I had some sort of epiphany, started my own blog, and while I've only been at it 3 weeks or so, I feel a lot differently. I think I owe that shift to you, and perhaps to my friend Martin who sent me your link. Blogging has helped my book, the book I was trying to finish but is now going to a professional editor on 12/28. I thought blogging would leak energy away from that but instead it seems to be fueling the project.
This morning at work, where I am paid to be smart and fast on my feet, I spent 28 minutes trying to decipher a half-page order from a federal judge that included the phrase, "non ceteris paribus". I checked my 1934 Bouvier's Law Dictionary that did not include the second or third word (being really bright I already knew what non meant). Then I checked my Black's Law Dictionary from 1979, no luck. Naturally I turned to the Internets but could find little. A partner was looking over my shoulder the whole time. I wanted to finish my coffee and figure out what really smart person I should call for help but I was on the spot. Finally, after surfing around, I found the phrase meant, "All things not being equal." Since everything is about me, the phrase clearly applied to my small, inept brain. And then I started to circle the drain of an oncoming shame spiral about not passing the bar right after law school because this little exercise was more proof I should be doing manual labor for a living.
But then I saw your post and now I feel better. You never know who you are going to help Penelope, and this morning you helped an idiot lawyer faking her way through her career.
Posted by Marie McHale Drake on 12/23/2009 at 10:52am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Let me make sure I'm hearing you right. You came across something you didn't know and researched it until you found the answer. You demonstrated resourcefulness, tenaciousness, self-discipline, intelligence, and patience, you stayed calm while under pressure and while being watched and evaluated by a boss. Presumably with the clock running.
Tell me again where you're coming up short? Because you weren't born knowing what "non ceteris paribus" means? At which point in this chain of events were you faking it? Which of these qualities that enabled you to solve the problem are fake qualities?
My dear, you're in the game now. This is what the game looks like. There is no other, imaginary game in which everything goes without a hitch and your self-doubt is cute and winning. You have qualities that can't be taught or learned: they are the qualities that enabled you to persevere and succeed in this instance; your self-doubt almost took that success away from you. Get your head straight about this. If you don't, you'll surely take the people who are depending on you (that partner, for instance) down with you.
Posted by Dan Owen on 12/24/2009 at 01:56pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Why thank you Dan. Yes, this is not a dress rehearsal. I apreciate your insight. Marie
Posted by Marie McHale Drake on 2009-12-24 14:30:14 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
I read your post yesterday and it stuck in my mind. I like how you honestly wrestle with real problems that you experience, without fear of hiding anything. You're a good storyteller.
Posted by Tom Johnson on 12/23/2009 at 11:22am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Be strong, use a spatula in the kitchen — but don't stop running with scissors.
Posted by Chris Baskind on 12/23/2009 at 11:55am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Sometimes everything falls apart at once, or seems to. Sometimes you're lost in more than one area of life. But being lost can be an opportunity to explore. You're right, you should try not to be a brat about it–maybe that's part of what you need to explore. But also, this may be a chance to find an opportunity–new roles in your company, new ways of relating to people, even dating with new knowledge of what you loved about the farmer (and what to watch out for.)
Good luck!
Posted by Paula on 12/23/2009 at 01:08pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, one of the most self-referential posts you've done in some time ("Look, you've read this whole post") which I quite enjoyed actually.
In considering this blog, my first reaction was that I didn't care for it because it contained a high level of negativity and non-expertise – i.e., you describing what you're bad at. But in reflecting upon the blog later in the day, I found that I was actually quite inspired by what you had written. I believe what I found inspiring was that you have a "fall down eight times, get up nine" mentality which becomes infectious even in your "downer" blogs like this one. So thanks for that! I'll see if I can pinpoint what aspects of your writing, particularly, convey this quality in future blogs of yours.
Posted by Royce on 12/23/2009 at 01:15pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Oh, and the end result of your inspiring bounce-back mentality was that, later in the day, I immediately went back to work and pounded out several posts at my blog and commented on other blogs. I had hit a kind of a wall as well, and you helped me punch through.
Posted by Royce on 12/23/2009 at 01:16pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
a full 8.5% of this is the word "I". Little wonder narcissism now seems like a common human trait.
Posted by sa3 on 12/23/2009 at 01:57pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Suggestion: instead of driving traffic to Brazen Careerist, integrate this blog completely into it.
Trivial example how to provide value: if I'm viewing a blog post, I should also see a list of people in the local networking group (Boulder in my case).
Compare your site to Michael Arrington's. He has a very powerful personal brand, and yet if you just look at TechCrunch's home page there is no evidence that he has special weight over any other writer.
Sometimes 1+1 = 3, but in your case I suspect it's adding up to less than 2.
Posted by Derek Scruggs on 12/23/2009 at 02:48pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
"Trivial example how to provide value: if I'm viewing a blog post, I should also see a list of people in the local networking group (Boulder in my case)."
– that is a pretty interesting suggestion, and would be really cool to see implemented
Posted by Royce on 12/23/2009 at 03:34pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I wish I could give you a hug. I've hit the wall at work and what drives me is the hope that tomorrow will be better. Your tomorrow will be better. As a divorced mom, I have to believe it will be.
Posted by Tina Fortune on 12/23/2009 at 03:26pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hello, Penelope. It's Asperger's Tony (again). I am lost as well, and for many of the same reasons. I agree: people don't like to hear about what's wrong. They prefer choosing what's easy, more convenient — like denial, procrastination, changing the subject, or projecting blame onto someone/something else — even when the issue is critical or life-threatening. Call it the "Global Warming GroupThink": let's blindly party like it's 1999 and deal with the consequences if/when they become a crisis. It is a sad default … and terribly frustrating and depressing to push back against.
Charlie Rose recently interviewed Nobel prize-winning biologist James Watson, who also has a reputation for being "difficult" to work with. Rose asked Watson if he has paid a price for his "impatience." Watson paused, then grinned wryly. "I haven't been on many committees," he said.
Ask yourself: Would you rather be Rudolph or the other reindeer?
Shine on, you crazy diamond.
Posted by Tony Z on 12/23/2009 at 03:45pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Tony
Re : People don't like to hear about what's wrong.
I think what "people" want is solutions. It's not about denial, or procastination; but that instead of only talking about what is wrong, to do something about it.
I'm surrounded by Chicken Littles, and they are very good at identifying flaws in the project, but could not provide a solution for the life of them.
Posted by Melissa on 12/24/2009 at 09:27am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Thanks for your reply post.
Perhaps I assumed it would be implicitly understood that Penelope and I don't bring up "what's wrong" simply for the sake of hearing ourselves whine. Indeed, there are folks who do just that, but I'm not one of them, and I strongly doubt Penelope is either. We are solution-seekers. That said, I continually meet people who procrastinate and cloak themselves in denial to avoid tackling problems. In my experience that's often why teamwork falls apart: too many issues and not enough willingness to recognize and resolve them.
No one person can expect to identify, voice, dissect and/or settle every trouble spot, but sadly, some folks are virtual ostriches on all counts and consistently avoid coming out of the sand. I won't speak on behalf of Penelope, but it is those co-workers who choose to be blind that frustrate me most because they are clearly not part of the solution, and therefore remain part of the problem.
I wish you all the best in 2010! :)
Posted by Tony Z on 2010-01-01 09:49:59 | (Comments wont nest below this level)
I've spent more years being lost than I like to admit. When I'm really going nuts over it, I go for long walks in the forest; I thrive there the way you do on a farm.
So Poet/Biologist/Corporate Muse David Whyte's advice in his book "The Heart Aroused: Poetry and the Preservation of the Soul in Corporate America" really speaks to me. He quotes a poem by David Wagoner (based on a story handed down by Native American elders)… I especially like the last 2 lines:
LOST
Stand still. The trees ahead and bushes beside you
Are not lost. Wherever you are is called Here,
And you must treat it as a powerful stranger,
Must ask permission to know it and be known.
The forest breathes. Listen. It answers,
I have made this place around you,
If you leave it you may come back again, saying Here,
No two trees are the same to Raven.
No two branches are the same to Wren.
If what a tree or a bush does is lost on you,
You are surely lost. Stand still. The forest knows
Where you are. You must let it find you.
Posted by Kim on 12/23/2009 at 06:19pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
PS: I just read that link to the debate about your "personal brand" and I think your response was perfect. Not only was it not OTT, it was mature, kind & mentor-y. (And, it clarified to me why the whole Dan Schwable personal branding stuff irritates me so much. It's because I'm not 26. So thank you for that.)
Posted by Kim on 12/23/2009 at 06:32pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Please don't stop writing, whatever you may be going through.
I can tell you honestly, I don't give a crap about this Ryan or Ed, or Brazen Careerist for that matter. If I see the words "Asperger's Syndrome" in your posts one more time I might scream.
Broken engagement, trouble at work, burnt hand, emergency room, vicodin – these things, however, I hate to say, are really, really interesting. Painful, terrible, awful – definitely. But captivating because I can sense your passion and heartache.
I cringed when I read about your abortion, your miscarriage, sex acts, etc. BUT– I re-read those posts more than once. And I went to all the links. And I told my mom about them. We then had a great conversation about women, sex, and careers that made us understand each other better.
I stopped following your posts years ago because I got tired of the career advice. The world is changing, Gen. Y is different… blah, blah. Seth Godin says it a million times better, I'm sorry. And I don't even use Squidoo, I think it looks horrible. I think LinkedIn is way too restrictive. But I would use either of those long before I signed up on Brazen Careerist. As a 25-year-old college graduate, Facebook is the only online social networking communication tool I need.
I started following your blog again a few months ago because of the personal insight. I may not always "get it" but your writing style and personal life make me feel like no topic is off-limits, no matter where you are, or what you are going through, and I love that. You are a female role model for me. You are a writing role model.
Look at all the thoughtful comments you received on this one post alone. You can do anything with your life and career, we will follow. Just keep being brutally honest, even if it is wrong, offensive, or difficult, PLEASE. You cannot find out where the line really is until you cross it.
I also loved reading about your excitement and anticipation in your relationship with the farmer. The love story was just as captivating. I look forward to more positivity and hope in your future posts.
Thank you for writing. I cannot imagine how agonizing it must be at times, but it is appreciated.
Jaclyn
Posted by Jaclyn on 12/23/2009 at 07:36pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Here's me saying something fresh:
You're awesome.
Posted by Kristina on 12/24/2009 at 01:48am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Okay, you know how when you're chatting online with someone and then they abruptly disappear? Everyone's instinct is to think they said something to piss them off but then you realize it's probably just a technical problem (unless the last thing they said was f*ck you or something). Right?
So if Ryan or your ex are your friends and you KNOW they are on your side, then you need to just assume what you are interpreting as shitty tone of voice or rudeness is a technical glitch on YOUR part.
Posted by Green on 12/24/2009 at 02:06am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I recently discovered Stephen Covey's 7 Habits of Highly Effective People. I didn't want to discover it. In fact, I have spent most of my 29 years trying NOT to discover it, ever since I became aware of the cassette set bouncing around in my dad's back seat.
Once I got over whatever arrogance was keeping me away from it, though, I realized there is some excellent advice in there, advice that I feel I should try to pass on now by summarizing some of Covey's philosophies:
Habit 1: Effective People are proactive beings that recognize that they are responsible for choices; Ineffective People are reactive beings that feel victimized by circumstances, their past and other people.
Habit 3: Effective People “organize and execute around their most important priorities,” no matter the circumstances; Ineffective People are unable to stay focused on tasks, because they are just thinking about the circumstances, their past and/or other people.
Habit 5: Effective People seek first to understand and then be understood, meaning they want to understand others before they reply; Ineffective People seek first to be understood before they understand, meaning they talk first about their points of view, which they base completely on their own experience and motives, meaning they never attempt to understand others before diagnosing others’ problems.
Habit 7: Effective People are constantly looking to rejuvenate themselves physically, mentally, socially and emotionally, and spiritually; Ineffective People lack this ability and “eventually lose the cutting edge they may have once had.”
And for the record, Penelope, you are not insane to answer every single e-mail you get. You are not insane at all. You are great and we completely respect and admire and thank you for that.
Posted by Margaret on 12/24/2009 at 10:31am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Long time reader, first time commenter, unabashed admirer of all you have accomplished and overcome and attempted and how you share it so well. I read many (ok, too many) blogs daily and as I attempt to whittle them down (my divergent interests in marketing, photography, higher education, parenting, social networking, decorating, antiques) into a number that is "reasonable", I NEVER consider unsubscribing to your feed. Because you are one of the few writers (actually few PEOPLE) from whom I learn something EVERY TIME I read your words. You live big, have achieved much, have lost large and yet you keep going in the same direction of trying to make sense of your needs and desires and those of your children. As a gen-Xer who has been a successful educator, domestic violence counselor, psychiatric hospital administrator, swim instructor, headhunter, college admission counselor, content management software salesperson and now a Director of Admission for a school where I don't and can never fit in, I can't imagine a better mentor or role model than you. I wish I knew you IRL, but please know that you inspire me daily to continue forward, to push myself when it's hard, to listen carefully, to work at reading people better and to be positive. You do this because you ARE these things and much more. You aren't lost, you're blazing new trails and no one has caught up with you yet, that's why it's lonely. Once your new path comes into better focus, you'll feel more at ease. Until then, peace to your process.
Posted by Kimberly Shepherd on 12/24/2009 at 11:05am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Getting beyond your situation, you just need to be insanely busy doing stuff that charges your batteries. ENTJ's can't sit still and they are focused on next…not now. Stop dawdling and start working on your next business idea, your next relationship, and maybe find a new hobby…
sounds too simple…you will figure it out as you always do.
Happy holidays…
M
Posted by Mark F. on 12/24/2009 at 11:36am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Being lost is ok – but find the glass half full part of the equation – lost is not all bad … flip it and find the good – your lads, your loves past and present … thinking of you and sending my best le
Posted by le on 12/26/2009 at 05:05am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Dear Penelope,
Reading your doubts how you communicate with people I am surprised. It seems to you that voice tone was changed? Nanny and CEO are pretending that it was not? Why so simple thing is not coming out of your mind that your nanny is just keeping herself out of your conflicts? And CEO does not think that it is important to him or the company? How many things we hear, see, feel or say "pay attention to" when it is not important to us personally? Why any problem (or say difference) in communication is going as Asperger's syndrome? What you can not do really at that moment – you can not figure out how to react on that voice tone and what is right reaction. But this is another story. Our ways of communications are different (you should hear about representational systems), our experiences are different – so our reactions do.
Posted by Tatyana on 12/26/2009 at 10:06am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Positivism is the basis of success for me. Never abandon, we have to always see the bright side.
Posted by Nicolas Chevallier on 12/26/2009 at 04:32pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I absolutely admire your candor and transparency. Thank you for telling Gen Y'ers it's okay to screw up. That's called life, and neither a college degree nor impressive job title makes you immune from screwing up. When you stop screwing up, you're dead. I'm a Gen X'er, but oh, to have had the benefit of this blog way back when…
Posted by Nichole Bazemore on 12/26/2009 at 10:01pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Two things struck me as I read this. 1) For every company I've worked either as an employee or as a contractor, the person at the top was in charge of the word "no." If you become the "yes" person, you are going to upset the balance of ideas. It's your job to sort the bad ideas from the good ones. That's why you call a bad idea what it really is: a bad idea. 2) I think most people have the "tone of voice" issue that you mention. Lately, I've had this mantra for myself that goes like this, "Everyone loves me. I believe in the good of all people." In other words, whenever I am tempted to feel slighted by someone, I choose not to feel slighted. After all, I have no way of knowing for sure if that person really rolled her eyes AT me or at some random unrelated thought that had nothing to do with me. So I choose to believe that "everyone loves me" and I tell the devil in my head to just shut up. It's really freeing. If people don't like something about me, now they have to say it out loud. I don't even try to read tone of voice anymore.
Posted by Alisa Bowman on 12/27/2009 at 08:47pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think that the advice you gives is good; the three steps you give at the end are definitely a good way to structure a move to overcoming many of these problems. The only thing I would say is that many might follow these religiously, and I would just mention that there would be far better if you remember that it is a guideline.
Posted by Harry Gin on 12/28/2009 at 07:57am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Anyone think that she should fire herself and not take pay for the next 2 months to find out what happens when people working for others "are lost at work"?
Just askin'…
Posted by econobiker on 12/29/2009 at 01:00am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
I, by nature am a "negative Nelly" and as a result I feel your pain. It's easy for us to point out what's wrong or how things are broken, I do it each and every day and it's a difficult cycle to break. Challenge yourself, for each crack or weakness you find, try to think of a way to fix it or a step towards a solution. It's time consuming and a pain in the ass, however, the more you do it the easier it gets.
Other than that bit of advice, the only thing I can offer is a mental hug.
-Nicole D.
Posted by Nicole D. on 12/29/2009 at 12:50pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I know what you mean about the grilled cheese burn/brain malfunction….. A couple years ago I was in a mother- in- law-coming- to- visit-unannounced panic while cooking an egg and bean taco for lunch at 2 in the afternoon. I had a tortilla in one hand, and the metal lid from a can of beans in the other hand. I apparently forgot which hand the tortilla was in, and went to take an pre-taco bite while cooking (I have very little patience around food). With full force- I bit into the metal lid. (Compliments of my inferior peripheral vision) It then sliced the crap out of my mouth opening. Ouch.
The pain and the shock of what happened was not as bad as the obligation I in turn had (felt) to explain the cuts to everyone that saw me for the 2 weeks. After I told them I always immediately regretted it, and then continued to explain how it could have happened to them also……Apparently they didn't agree that it could have happened to them…. Somehow it something only I could have done.
But really, relax- you are just in a gear-shifting mode. It may not look or sound good, but they better just wait until you are cruising by at an even higher level. PS- tone of voice is such a life-self esteem-circumstance dependant variable for us Aspies. It will get better.
~3 more peanut butter and jelly halves to go- then I’m calling it a night,
diana
Posted by Diana Evans on 01/01/2010 at 09:10pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
"Also, it seems that many brilliant ideas come in the wake of darkness… draw from it… When things are going great, it seems we don't feel the need to search as diligently for answers."<< Posted earlier by Sosympyl.
Totally Agree – use the dark times before they become bright times and the otherwise inaccessible thoughts/opportunities/learning moments are gone. In a second everything can change- then the window to produce radically different (and unquestionably awesome) types of work has passed.
Posted by Diana Evans on 01/01/2010 at 09:19pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Point 3) should read "Be positive yet realistic", because lots of people run around with a stupid smile on their face while the house is on fire. That forced, insincere attitude is one of the things that make the US workplace such a schizoid environment.
Posted by Christian R. on 01/06/2010 at 07:57am | permalink | Reply to this comment