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	<title>Comments on: Announcing: Brazen Careerist Top 50 Places to Work</title>
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		<title>By: What to do when a friend asks for a job recommendation &#124; Professional Resume Services</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/12/16/announcing-the-brazen-careerist-top-50-places-to-work/comment-page-2/#comment-219735</link>
		<dc:creator>What to do when a friend asks for a job recommendation &#124; Professional Resume Services</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 02:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you make a well informed decision on referring your friend for a job at your place of employment, you do not have to worry about risk. You can stand by your recommendation and watch your friend [...]</description>
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		<title>By: dacris</title>
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		<dc:creator>dacris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 01:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say that &quot;Salary negotiations are over.&quot; You are correct, but I think your reasoning is wrong.

&quot;Gen Y doesn’t consider salary to be a huge factor in choosing a place to work because Gen Y knows that salary data is public.&quot;

This is not the primary reason why salary negotiation is off the table. The real reason is because every company pays low wages (there are no high-paying companies and low-paying companies), and everybody is afraid of losing their job.

Oh, and that&#039;s also why companies are finding it easier to extort free hours out of workers and denigrate their workers, telling them they are not qualified for higher-paying positions.

This is why I&#039;m now working as a contractor and will continue to do so as long as I can. Never again will I hold a permanent (salaried) position if I can help it, and I strongly advise others to do the same, or to simply go on strike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say that &#034;Salary negotiations are over.&#034; You are correct, but I think your reasoning is wrong.</p>
<p>&#034;Gen Y doesn’t consider salary to be a huge factor in choosing a place to work because Gen Y knows that salary data is public.&#034;</p>
<p>This is not the primary reason why salary negotiation is off the table. The real reason is because every company pays low wages (there are no high-paying companies and low-paying companies), and everybody is afraid of losing their job.</p>
<p>Oh, and that&#039;s also why companies are finding it easier to extort free hours out of workers and denigrate their workers, telling them they are not qualified for higher-paying positions.</p>
<p>This is why I&#039;m now working as a contractor and will continue to do so as long as I can. Never again will I hold a permanent (salaried) position if I can help it, and I strongly advise others to do the same, or to simply go on strike.</p>
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		<title>By: NiNi</title>
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		<dc:creator>NiNi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot help to notice that nr 7 in the list is wrong - Johnson &amp; Johnson is not about consumer goods only. In fact, consumer goods is the smallest division of the company, medical devices and pharma being bigger!
But it is a common misconception that J&amp;J is about baby oil and shampoo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot help to notice that nr 7 in the list is wrong &#8211; Johnson &amp; Johnson is not about consumer goods only. In fact, consumer goods is the smallest division of the company, medical devices and pharma being bigger!<br />
But it is a common misconception that J&amp;J is about baby oil and shampoo.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 16:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An observation or two based on my own current employment situation (attempting not to beat a dead horse here...) I work for a large organization that made a point of hammering in how &quot;flexible&quot; they are. They offer varying hours from early morning to late evening within my department... The catch was that upon being hired you have to select an initial shift. I chose evenings so that I could spend some more time with my youngest before he would be starting school (my dh and I both have to work...) They failed to mention that once you chose your shift you would be shafted with it unless another person would &quot;trade&quot; with you, or further hiring was done. How&#039;s the for flexible? Now I don&#039;t flip burgers or pour coffee mind you... This is an office. I do a tremendous amount of research and have a great deal of contact with clients very regularly. It borders on &quot;call center&quot; but entails a great deal more responsibility (with only slightly better pay...) Point of my response is to always question their flexibility... If a potential employer wants to use it as a selling point they best be willing to back it up with specific examples and how it remains consistent for employees. Wish I would have known that then. I&#039;m still on the evening hours after almost two years. Barely see my dh these days and my son is now in school. By the way, I work in health insurance. It&#039;s like being on the Titanic waiting for the iceberg to hit :-) It&#039;s been good incentive to look for something better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An observation or two based on my own current employment situation (attempting not to beat a dead horse here&#8230;) I work for a large organization that made a point of hammering in how &#034;flexible&#034; they are. They offer varying hours from early morning to late evening within my department&#8230; The catch was that upon being hired you have to select an initial shift. I chose evenings so that I could spend some more time with my youngest before he would be starting school (my dh and I both have to work&#8230;) They failed to mention that once you chose your shift you would be shafted with it unless another person would &#034;trade&#034; with you, or further hiring was done. How&#039;s the for flexible? Now I don&#039;t flip burgers or pour coffee mind you&#8230; This is an office. I do a tremendous amount of research and have a great deal of contact with clients very regularly. It borders on &#034;call center&#034; but entails a great deal more responsibility (with only slightly better pay&#8230;) Point of my response is to always question their flexibility&#8230; If a potential employer wants to use it as a selling point they best be willing to back it up with specific examples and how it remains consistent for employees. Wish I would have known that then. I&#039;m still on the evening hours after almost two years. Barely see my dh these days and my son is now in school. By the way, I work in health insurance. It&#039;s like being on the Titanic waiting for the iceberg to hit :-) It&#039;s been good incentive to look for something better.</p>
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		<title>By: Share-Out</title>
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		<dc:creator>Share-Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 05:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good places for work! Thanks for this top</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good places for work! Thanks for this top</p>
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		<title>By: Collin Li</title>
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		<dc:creator>Collin Li</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 06:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like this post simply because of the social entrepreneurship part, and your views on it.

But the other parts of this post are great too.

Excellent work, keep it up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like this post simply because of the social entrepreneurship part, and your views on it.</p>
<p>But the other parts of this post are great too.</p>
<p>Excellent work, keep it up!</p>
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		<title>By: 2009 &#8212; The only thing that&#8217;s certain is change &#171; Cut Me Some Flack</title>
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		<dc:creator>2009 &#8212; The only thing that&#8217;s certain is change &#171; Cut Me Some Flack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 05:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] suppose my feelings about my new position pinpoint me as Gen Y. I was looking for something meaningful, flexible and collaborative at a company that is socially [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You missed Stryker - med devices.</description>
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		<title>By: Medisoft</title>
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		<dc:creator>Medisoft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 04:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I own a small (50 person) company, and although I know we&#039;d never make the list, I&#039;d like to think we are one of the better places to work!  :)

We offer benefits, VERY flexible schedules, have a tight knit group of people, and most everyone seems to love working with us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I own a small (50 person) company, and although I know we&#039;d never make the list, I&#039;d like to think we are one of the better places to work!  :)</p>
<p>We offer benefits, VERY flexible schedules, have a tight knit group of people, and most everyone seems to love working with us.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 04:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If, as you say, top company lists are all flawed, ditch the top company list.  Maybe instead have a periodic profile of a few companies that are cool on their own qualitative merits, and based on the opinions of their employees, rather than trying to stack rank big companies based on poor metrics.  While the discussion in the comments is interesting, this list is flawed enough to be a net waste of people&#039;s time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If, as you say, top company lists are all flawed, ditch the top company list.  Maybe instead have a periodic profile of a few companies that are cool on their own qualitative merits, and based on the opinions of their employees, rather than trying to stack rank big companies based on poor metrics.  While the discussion in the comments is interesting, this list is flawed enough to be a net waste of people&#039;s time.</p>
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