Comments on: We overestimate the gap between nonprofit and for-profit jobs http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/10/30/the-shrinking-gap-between-nonprofit-and-for-profit/ Advice at the intersection of work and life Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:26:55 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Top 3 Weekly Blog Posts for Nonprofit Workers « http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/10/30/the-shrinking-gap-between-nonprofit-and-for-profit/comment-page-2/#comment-221666 Top 3 Weekly Blog Posts for Nonprofit Workers « Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:25:13 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=4224#comment-221666 [...] “We overestimate the gap between nonprofit and for-profit jobs” by Penelope Trunk’s Brazen Careerist – This post is a bit older (10/30/09) but [...] [...] "We overestimate the gap between nonprofit and for-profit jobs" by Penelope Trunk's Brazen Careerist – This post is a bit older (10/30/09) but [...]

]]> By: Be the Change: Listening to China « Beyond China's Single Story http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/10/30/the-shrinking-gap-between-nonprofit-and-for-profit/comment-page-2/#comment-218939 Be the Change: Listening to China « Beyond China's Single Story Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:44:15 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=4224#comment-218939 [...] responsibility.  All of these jobs have been related to social change in some sense, regardless of the sector.  My friends here in Beijing have done amazing work in clean transportation, theatre, [...] [...] responsibility.  All of these jobs have been related to social change in some sense, regardless of the sector.  My friends here in Beijing have done amazing work in clean transportation, theatre, [...]

]]> By: Elizabeth http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/10/30/the-shrinking-gap-between-nonprofit-and-for-profit/comment-page-2/#comment-216587 Elizabeth Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:39:11 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=4224#comment-216587 Thank you so much for this post! I stumbled upon your blog by Googling "Time management" and I got hooked. I currently work in the non-profit sector and I'm looking for something new while still making a difference and having a positive impact upon my community. Thanks for highlighting the fact that there are other options. Thank you so much for this post! I stumbled upon your blog by Googling "Time management" and I got hooked. I currently work in the non-profit sector and I'm looking for something new while still making a difference and having a positive impact upon my community. Thanks for highlighting the fact that there are other options.

]]> By: “Social Entrepreneurship is stupid.” according to Penelope Trunk | Changing Lives http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/10/30/the-shrinking-gap-between-nonprofit-and-for-profit/comment-page-2/#comment-216473 “Social Entrepreneurship is stupid.” according to Penelope Trunk | Changing Lives Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:10:06 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=4224#comment-216473 [...] heart of her argument is in this post. The general idea makes sense: You can no longer separate the world into the “non-profit [...] [...] heart of her argument is in this post. The general idea makes sense: You can no longer separate the world into the "non-profit [...]

]]> By: いい職場って何？ » 経済学101 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/10/30/the-shrinking-gap-between-nonprofit-and-for-profit/comment-page-2/#comment-216460 いい職場って何？ » 経済学101 Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:03:34 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=4224#comment-216460 [...] you don’t’ need to be calling yourself a social entrepreneur in order to save the world. We no longer divide the world into non-profit people who are do-gooders and for-profit people who are money-grubbers. We are all [...] [...] you don’t’ need to be calling yourself a social entrepreneur in order to save the world. We no longer divide the world into non-profit people who are do-gooders and for-profit people who are money-grubbers. We are all [...]

]]> By: Tia http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/10/30/the-shrinking-gap-between-nonprofit-and-for-profit/comment-page-2/#comment-216091 Tia Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:50:34 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=4224#comment-216091 Does the idea that we can 'do good anywhere' apply when we work for companies such as tobacco? I have really struggled with this notion recently as I search for new employment. Sure, with a great salary I could give back so much. But is it really as simple as just doing good myself? I keep trying to tell myself it is because I've seen an open position at a tobacco firm that fits my skills and interests, but I haven't applied. What if I have a wonderful boss and great co-workers? Is it enough? Thanks for the post-- it's really made me consider my options in a new light (especially living in Geneva, Switzerland where there are NPOs galore!) Does the idea that we can 'do good anywhere' apply when we work for companies such as tobacco? I have really struggled with this notion recently as I search for new employment. Sure, with a great salary I could give back so much. But is it really as simple as just doing good myself? I keep trying to tell myself it is because I've seen an open position at a tobacco firm that fits my skills and interests, but I haven't applied. What if I have a wonderful boss and great co-workers? Is it enough?

Thanks for the post– it's really made me consider my options in a new light (especially living in Geneva, Switzerland where there are NPOs galore!)

]]> By: Heather http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/10/30/the-shrinking-gap-between-nonprofit-and-for-profit/comment-page-1/#comment-215989 Heather Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:31:27 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=4224#comment-215989 1. I challenge the belief that nonprofits are extremely inefficient healthcare providers. I work with community clinics and they are mandated to provide a certain level of service to all individuals, regardless of their ability to pay. Plus they have to participated in a stakeholder-based decision-making process as a nonrpofit, so there are inherent differences. 2. Also, I think the idea that somebody is only responsible for their own selves and family is terribly wrong. We are all in this boat together and need to care for our neighbors. 3. Regarding Walton and providing goods/services at prices all can afford: it's only because prices do not capture all costs associated with the product, since Walmart actively encourages its employees to enroll in government health programs, has been proven to discriminate in employment practices, operates as a monopoly in small towns, etc. 1. I challenge the belief that nonprofits are extremely inefficient healthcare providers. I work with community clinics and they are mandated to provide a certain level of service to all individuals, regardless of their ability to pay. Plus they have to participated in a stakeholder-based decision-making process as a nonrpofit, so there are inherent differences.

2. Also, I think the idea that somebody is only responsible for their own selves and family is terribly wrong. We are all in this boat together and need to care for our neighbors.

3. Regarding Walton and providing goods/services at prices all can afford: it's only because prices do not capture all costs associated with the product, since Walmart actively encourages its employees to enroll in government health programs, has been proven to discriminate in employment practices, operates as a monopoly in small towns, etc.

]]> By: Working at a Nonprofit Does Not Equal Social Change « AMPHiB LiB http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/10/30/the-shrinking-gap-between-nonprofit-and-for-profit/comment-page-2/#comment-214752 Working at a Nonprofit Does Not Equal Social Change « AMPHiB LiB Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:09:15 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=4224#comment-214752 [...] made me think of Penelope Trunk’s recent post pointing out that you don’t have to work in a nonprofit to do good. She also said that some nonprofits do more good than others. I took that to mean that some [...] [...] made me think of Penelope Trunk’s recent post pointing out that you don’t have to work in a nonprofit to do good. She also said that some nonprofits do more good than others. I took that to mean that some [...]

]]> By: Chaely Chartier http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/10/30/the-shrinking-gap-between-nonprofit-and-for-profit/comment-page-2/#comment-214363 Chaely Chartier Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:31:52 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=4224#comment-214363 I feel the same way. I work for a non-profit in my chosen career path & although I know I'm doing a lot of good I can't help but feel like it would be easier to call it quits and take up a job at the local grocery store so I can have insurance. I am also the only uninsured person in my office because I'm the only one without a spouse and my salary puts me below the poverty line. It is not fair to think that I have to make a decision between doing what I love & being able to support myself. It's not fair that doing good for your community isn't good enough to earn a decent living wage. I feel the same way. I work for a non-profit in my chosen career path & although I know I'm doing a lot of good I can't help but feel like it would be easier to call it quits and take up a job at the local grocery store so I can have insurance. I am also the only uninsured person in my office because I'm the only one without a spouse and my salary puts me below the poverty line.

It is not fair to think that I have to make a decision between doing what I love & being able to support myself. It's not fair that doing good for your community isn't good enough to earn a decent living wage.

]]> By: » Working at a Nonprofit Does Not Equal Social Change Rosetta Thurman http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/10/30/the-shrinking-gap-between-nonprofit-and-for-profit/comment-page-2/#comment-214353 » Working at a Nonprofit Does Not Equal Social Change Rosetta Thurman Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:30:41 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=4224#comment-214353 [...] made me think of Penelope Trunk’s recent post pointing out that you don’t have to work in a nonprofit to do good. She also said that some nonprofits do more good than others. I took that to mean that some [...] [...] made me think of Penelope Trunk's recent post pointing out that you don't have to work in a nonprofit to do good. She also said that some nonprofits do more good than others. I took that to mean that some [...]

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