Comments on: You can't manage your work life if you can't talk about it http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/09/24/miscarriage-is-a-workplace-event/ Advice at the intersection of work and life Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:31:56 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: John Wilder http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/09/24/miscarriage-is-a-workplace-event/comment-page-11/#comment-223378 John Wilder Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:45:44 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=3930#comment-223378 I judge conduct and attitudes not people. Just as I judge NAMBLA (THE nORTH aMERICAN mAN BOY lOVE aSSN). Killing innocent unorn babies is always wrong and I judge that and speak vehemently against anyone who supports it. It is vile and reprehensible. I judge conduct and attitudes not people. Just as I judge NAMBLA (THE nORTH aMERICAN mAN BOY lOVE aSSN). Killing innocent unorn babies is always wrong and I judge that and speak vehemently against anyone who supports it. It is vile and reprehensible.

]]> By: Barb http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/09/24/miscarriage-is-a-workplace-event/comment-page-11/#comment-223345 Barb Thu, 11 Mar 2010 00:33:45 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=3930#comment-223345 Planned Parenthood covering up the rape of children and parents murdering their unborn children to hide their selfish behaviors brings many, many tears to my eyes. Are you not judging pro-life people the same way you want them to stop judging Penelope? Please don't judge my choice (and right) to oppose rape and murder. It is my journey and decision. I do not believe in covering up the rape and the murder of innocent children. I will continue to use my voice for those who cannot use their own. "If abortion is not wrong, nothing is wrong." Mother Theresa Planned Parenthood covering up the rape of children and parents murdering their unborn children to hide their selfish behaviors brings many, many tears to my eyes. Are you not judging pro-life people the same way you want them to stop judging Penelope?

Please don't judge my choice (and right) to oppose rape and murder. It is my journey and decision. I do not believe in covering up the rape and the murder of innocent children. I will continue to use my voice for those who cannot use their own.

"If abortion is not wrong, nothing is wrong." Mother Theresa

]]> By: Umkhonto Labour http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/09/24/miscarriage-is-a-workplace-event/comment-page-11/#comment-223266 Umkhonto Labour Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:30:56 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=3930#comment-223266 I am actually at a loss for words. There are tears in my eyes and my heart is beating for you. People should really stop judging others and accept that while they might not always agree with other people's journeys and decisions, it is still theirs, and that is holy and sacrosanct. This is one of the most touching blog posts I've ever read. Thank you, and I sincerely mean this. I am actually at a loss for words. There are tears in my eyes and my heart is beating for you. People should really stop judging others and accept that while they might not always agree with other people's journeys and decisions, it is still theirs, and that is holy and sacrosanct. This is one of the most touching blog posts I've ever read. Thank you, and I sincerely mean this.

]]> By: My name is Marian and I am a Comment Whore | Marian Schembari http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/09/24/miscarriage-is-a-workplace-event/comment-page-11/#comment-221988 My name is Marian and I am a Comment Whore | Marian Schembari Tue, 02 Mar 2010 16:45:04 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=3930#comment-221988 [...] You can’t manage your work life if you can’t talk about it (731 comments) [...] [...] You can't manage your work life if you can't talk about it (731 comments) [...]

]]> By: Free MLM Training http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/09/24/miscarriage-is-a-workplace-event/comment-page-11/#comment-221832 Free MLM Training Mon, 01 Mar 2010 23:07:22 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=3930#comment-221832 Great Article Penelope! I hope I can make a difference at my workplace someday… by assisting with issues related to such a sensitive topic. Regards Great Article Penelope! I hope I can make a difference at my workplace someday… by assisting with issues related to such a sensitive topic.

Regards

]]> By: Barb http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/09/24/miscarriage-is-a-workplace-event/comment-page-11/#comment-221458 Barb Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:46:23 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=3930#comment-221458 Thanks John. Points well understood and taken in. Keep up the fight! Take care. Barb Thanks John. Points well understood and taken in. Keep up the fight!
Take care. Barb

]]> By: John Wilder http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/09/24/miscarriage-is-a-workplace-event/comment-page-11/#comment-221441 John Wilder Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:22:05 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=3930#comment-221441 Hey Barb: I understand and respect your viewpoint. I am not swayed though. I would be the first to admit that criminalizing abortion won't stop it just like rape and chid abuse. Should we then say that we should do away with laws forbidding rape and child abuse. The law is there to protect us. There will always be criminals willing to break the law. I fail to understand how we can have laws protecting dogs and eagles but not laws protecting innocent unborn children. Feminists are completely inconcsistent since half of all murdered babies are innocent girls. They can take a stand against genital mutilatioin but not murder of their own. As to my comments against Jewish support of abortion, I was speaking directly to Penelope who is Jewish. I was exposing the inconsistency in her logic. There can be room in the theatre of ideas for both of our positions. You being the forgiving one and me standing for justice and consistency of laws. best wishes John Hey Barb:
I understand and respect your viewpoint. I am not swayed though. I would be the first to admit that criminalizing abortion won't stop it just like rape and chid abuse. Should we then say that we should do away with laws forbidding rape and child abuse. The law is there to protect us.

There will always be criminals willing to break the law. I fail to understand how we can have laws protecting dogs and eagles but not laws protecting innocent unborn children. Feminists are completely inconcsistent since half of all murdered babies are innocent girls. They can take a stand against genital mutilatioin but not murder of their own.

As to my comments against Jewish support of abortion, I was speaking directly to Penelope who is Jewish. I was exposing the inconsistency in her logic.

There can be room in the theatre of ideas for both of our positions. You being the forgiving one and me standing for justice and consistency of laws.

best wishes
John

]]> By: Barb http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/09/24/miscarriage-is-a-workplace-event/comment-page-11/#comment-221420 Barb Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:01:15 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=3930#comment-221420 Hi John, I certainly agree about the inconsistent laws. I feel that criminalizing abortion at this point is beyond what our systems could handle. Abortion has so spiraled out of control and caused so many other issues since it was legalized and I feel that the only way to address it at this point is through education and love. If we had compassionately addressed the issues that led to abortion in the first place, we wouldn't be in this boat. This is a hard one for me to live out and I can only do it with His help -- "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." (Luke 23:34) I continue to try to forgive like this because this is how I want to be forgiven. Not all slave owners or Nazis were jailed or punished. However, if someone behaved like this now, they would be punished. My previous last statement, "they are no longer legally allowed to take the hate in their hearts out on others." If abortion is ever made illegal, I agree that it should be criminalized -- starting with the "doctors" pocketbooks. I see more and more young people that can see abortion for what it truly is. I personally believe that if "humanity" doesn't change it's course soon, there will be none of us left to disagree with anyway. God Bless You and Your Family Hi John,

I certainly agree about the inconsistent laws. I feel that criminalizing abortion at this point is beyond what our systems could handle. Abortion has so spiraled out of control and caused so many other issues since it was legalized and I feel that the only way to address it at this point is through education and love. If we had compassionately addressed the issues that led to abortion in the first place, we wouldn't be in this boat.

This is a hard one for me to live out and I can only do it with His help — "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." (Luke 23:34) I continue to try to forgive like this because this is how I want to be forgiven.

Not all slave owners or Nazis were jailed or punished. However, if someone behaved like this now, they would be punished. My previous last statement, "they are no longer legally allowed to take the hate in their hearts out on others." If abortion is ever made illegal, I agree that it should be criminalized — starting with the "doctors" pocketbooks. I see more and more young people that can see abortion for what it truly is.

I personally believe that if "humanity" doesn't change it's course soon, there will be none of us left to disagree with anyway.

God Bless You and Your Family

]]> By: John Wilder http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/09/24/miscarriage-is-a-workplace-event/comment-page-11/#comment-221275 John Wilder Sat, 20 Feb 2010 22:41:59 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=3930#comment-221275 Normally I am one of Barb's biggest supporters. Ihave to respectfully disagree with her stance about not criminalizing abortion. We need to get some consistency in our laws. Why is it that I I hit a woman with my car and cause her to loose her baby, I will be charged with vehicular manslaughter? The arguments that support a woamn's right to kill her unborn baby can be used to support my right to sexually abuse my daughter. I am not anti semitic but we could use a little biblical history here. The Jews were God's chosen people. They repeatedly broke God's commandments about their children. They did not have abortion but they sacrificed their unwanted children on bonfires alive to the false God Moloch. In times of siege, they were being starved out behind the city walls, they killed and ate their own children. Children were not considered persons under their law until they turned 13. This is why the Jews were so insulted when they asked Jesus who would be the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven and he showed them a little child. Sort of like women getting mad when they are told that their unborn children are persons as well. The Jews said never again would there be a massive extermination and yet the Jews are one of the few denominations that supports abortion rights. It seems hyopcritical to me. We have long since eclipsed the 6 million Jews that were exterminated with murdered unborn children. I can't respect this. Normally I am one of Barb's biggest supporters. Ihave to respectfully disagree with her stance about not criminalizing abortion. We need to get some consistency in our laws. Why is it that I I hit a woman with my car and cause her to loose her baby, I will be charged with vehicular manslaughter? The arguments that support a woamn's right to kill her unborn baby can be used to support my right to sexually abuse my daughter.
I am not anti semitic but we could use a little biblical history here. The Jews were God's chosen people. They repeatedly broke God's commandments about their children. They did not have abortion but they sacrificed their unwanted children on bonfires alive to the false God Moloch. In times of siege, they were being starved out behind the city walls, they killed and ate their own children. Children were not considered persons under their law until they turned 13. This is why the Jews were so insulted when they asked Jesus who would be the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven and he showed them a little child. Sort of like women getting mad when they are told that their unborn children are persons as well.

The Jews said never again would there be a massive extermination and yet the Jews are one of the few denominations that supports abortion rights. It seems hyopcritical to me. We have long since eclipsed the 6 million Jews that were exterminated with murdered unborn children. I can't respect this.

]]> By: Barb http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/09/24/miscarriage-is-a-workplace-event/comment-page-11/#comment-221267 Barb Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:11:12 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=3930#comment-221267 I agree that men are just as capable (not any more so except in cases of rape) of preventing pregnancies as women. However, once conception takes place, the father has no rights on whether the fetus is murdered so he cannot be culpable of wrongdoing (except of course when he wrongly pressures and pays for his fetus to be killed but even then the law allows women to have the final say). The father is however required by law to pay from the day the fetus magically turns into a baby. Some courts will even order the father to pay medical expenses before the fetus is born but according to your logic I don't understand how a man could possibly be legally liable for medical care of a non-person that he has no legal say in it's becoming a person. It's your logic that is seriously flawed. I agree with Bek above that the most dramatic source of oppression of women comes from other women. We are our own worst enemies. Roe vs. Wade made this exponentially worse when it gave us the legal right to kill our unborn. What did women really think would happen? Again, I say Wake Up! You don't think that there could possibly be a clearer point than birth to define personhood but you should really try to think a bit harder. If you've been there twice before and didn't realize you were carrying a human person before birth, you have major issues with denial or need a refresher course in elementary biology. I've been there before as well, but I was fully awake from first missed period until birth(especially when being kicked by in your words my non-person fetuses). Hard not to miss. I do not believe abortion should be criminalized; however, I think hearts need to be changed through education and love as we see happening in our lifetimes. History is full of examples of criminals legally being allowed to live free (example: Holocaust and Slavery) but these evils were eventually conquered by the Truth. Our society is still full of racists and anti-sematics, it's just that they are now frowned upon as they should be and are no longer legally allowed to take the hate in their hearts out on others. http://www.rachelsvineyard.org/ I agree that men are just as capable (not any more so except in cases of rape) of preventing pregnancies as women. However, once conception takes place, the father has no rights on whether the fetus is murdered so he cannot be culpable of wrongdoing (except of course when he wrongly pressures and pays for his fetus to be killed but even then the law allows women to have the final say).

The father is however required by law to pay from the day the fetus magically turns into a baby. Some courts will even order the father to pay medical expenses before the fetus is born but according to your logic I don't understand how a man could possibly be legally liable for medical care of a non-person that he has no legal say in it's becoming a person. It's your logic that is seriously flawed.

I agree with Bek above that the most dramatic source of oppression of women comes from other women. We are our own worst enemies. Roe vs. Wade made this exponentially worse when it gave us the legal right to kill our unborn. What did women really think would happen? Again, I say Wake Up!

You don't think that there could possibly be a clearer point than birth to define personhood but you should really try to think a bit harder. If you've been there twice before and didn't realize you were carrying a human person before birth, you have major issues with denial or need a refresher course in elementary biology. I've been there before as well, but I was fully awake from first missed period until birth(especially when being kicked by in your words my non-person fetuses). Hard not to miss.

I do not believe abortion should be criminalized; however, I think hearts need to be changed through education and love as we see happening in our lifetimes. History is full of examples of criminals legally being allowed to live free (example: Holocaust and Slavery) but these evils were eventually conquered by the Truth. Our society is still full of racists and anti-sematics, it's just that they are now frowned upon as they should be and are no longer legally allowed to take the hate in their hearts out on others.

http://www.rachelsvineyard.org/

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