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	<title>Comments on: What&#039;s the connection between abortion and careers?</title>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/06/17/whats-the-connection-between-abortions-and-careers/comment-page-8/#comment-221209</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Penelope, you seem to be concerned only with how this has affected you. In your own words, you killed your babies, but you don’t waste a sentence questioning what you took from those babies. Who were they meant to be? What career paths would they have chosen? Who would have been their soulmates? You took all of that from them, so that you could have more for yourself. 

Do you ever think how this unapologetically utilitarian stance on children could affect the two children you decided to raise? Have they ever wondered if you had been up for a big promotion while they were in utero, that they might have died too? This is exactly the message you’re sending them. 

Is there anyone else whose life you would sacrifice to preserve or advance your career? A supervisor who hates you? A co-worker up for the same promotion? No, that honor is reserved for your own precious babies.

You could use this: rachelsvineyard.org. Learn what it is to truly accept what you’ve done, and feel God’s forgiveness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penelope, you seem to be concerned only with how this has affected you. In your own words, you killed your babies, but you don’t waste a sentence questioning what you took from those babies. Who were they meant to be? What career paths would they have chosen? Who would have been their soulmates? You took all of that from them, so that you could have more for yourself. </p>
<p>Do you ever think how this unapologetically utilitarian stance on children could affect the two children you decided to raise? Have they ever wondered if you had been up for a big promotion while they were in utero, that they might have died too? This is exactly the message you’re sending them. </p>
<p>Is there anyone else whose life you would sacrifice to preserve or advance your career? A supervisor who hates you? A co-worker up for the same promotion? No, that honor is reserved for your own precious babies.</p>
<p>You could use this: rachelsvineyard.org. Learn what it is to truly accept what you’ve done, and feel God’s forgiveness.</p>
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		<title>By: CH</title>
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		<dc:creator>CH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is okay to keep things private, if you want to.  It is also okay to share your experiences in a thoughtful way with others, if you want to.  Abortions happen, and history has proven over and over again that any attempt to make abortions illegal or hidden don&#039;t make them go away, they just make them more dangerous.  Research has shown, over and over again, that open discussion and information are proven to reduce unwanted pregnancies.

It saddens me to see you comparing miscarriages to &quot;pooping,&quot; as though the deeply hurtful experience of a miscarriage is somehow shameful.  I applaud the open discussion of women&#039;s health issues.  

Also, it seems silly to criticize someone for blogging about something you don&#039;t want to read about when you clearly chose to read the blog if the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is okay to keep things private, if you want to.  It is also okay to share your experiences in a thoughtful way with others, if you want to.  Abortions happen, and history has proven over and over again that any attempt to make abortions illegal or hidden don&#039;t make them go away, they just make them more dangerous.  Research has shown, over and over again, that open discussion and information are proven to reduce unwanted pregnancies.</p>
<p>It saddens me to see you comparing miscarriages to &#034;pooping,&#034; as though the deeply hurtful experience of a miscarriage is somehow shameful.  I applaud the open discussion of women&#039;s health issues.  </p>
<p>Also, it seems silly to criticize someone for blogging about something you don&#039;t want to read about when you clearly chose to read the blog if the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Writer&#8217;s Block is Another Way of Saying I am Scared and Lazy &#171; Finish the Novel Already!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Writer&#8217;s Block is Another Way of Saying I am Scared and Lazy &#171; Finish the Novel Already!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 02:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Upon, Flickr, Penelope Trunk, Gawkr, eBay, Seth Godin. None of these people or things would get a rise out of your characters, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so sorry for your losses and I am sorry that no one around you knew the truth to tell you about how evil and damaging abortion is. You can always find healing if you want it, there are many resources out there.  This is something that truly hurts the babies and emotionally scars the mom and dad once they &quot;check back in&quot;.  You checked out because your conscience was probbing you.  We have become a sad world indeed to put our selfish goals before a person.  I&#039;ll be praying for you and all the victims of this holocaust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so sorry for your losses and I am sorry that no one around you knew the truth to tell you about how evil and damaging abortion is. You can always find healing if you want it, there are many resources out there.  This is something that truly hurts the babies and emotionally scars the mom and dad once they &#034;check back in&#034;.  You checked out because your conscience was probbing you.  We have become a sad world indeed to put our selfish goals before a person.  I&#039;ll be praying for you and all the victims of this holocaust.</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 04:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a wonderful summing up of the whole issue-thank you and I share your hope that one day sanity will return to our society which is literally &quot;mad&quot; at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a wonderful summing up of the whole issue-thank you and I share your hope that one day sanity will return to our society which is literally &#034;mad&#034; at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: John Wilder</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Wilder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Crossed the line:

Thank you for telling your story.  Women have to dehumanize their unborn child in order to kill it.

You should not go to Planned Parenthood for abortion counselling since they make a major portion of their income by selling abortions.  If we define life as having a heartbeat and brain wave acitivity for pronouncing someone dead, why not for pronouncing someone alive?  We have a detectable heartbeat 18 days from conception.  We have detectable brain wave activity 42 days from conception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Crossed the line:</p>
<p>Thank you for telling your story.  Women have to dehumanize their unborn child in order to kill it.</p>
<p>You should not go to Planned Parenthood for abortion counselling since they make a major portion of their income by selling abortions.  If we define life as having a heartbeat and brain wave acitivity for pronouncing someone dead, why not for pronouncing someone alive?  We have a detectable heartbeat 18 days from conception.  We have detectable brain wave activity 42 days from conception.</p>
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		<title>By: Crossed the Line</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crossed the Line</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love how people play the rape card when they start losing the argument about the humanity of the unborn, even though 99% of abortions have nothing to do with rape.

I had a friend years ago who was date raped, and got pregnant.  Everyone, her whole family and all her friends, tried to talk her into getting an abortion.  She refused, and had a little boy.  Being a single mom wasn&#039;t easy for her - but she said she couldn&#039;t see having the baby killed because of what had happened to her.

Many women who&#039;ve been raped and had abortions testify that they feel like they were raped twice, and regret the abortion.

Many children born of rape are grown up now, and are glad to be alive.  One of them, a woman named Rebecca Kiessling, is now a prolife attorney.

Ironies of abortion: in sexist cultures, man have often had the right to kill their wives, such as if they were unfaithful.  Slaveowners had the right to kill their slaves.  Women in the west have worked hard to throw off such sexism - and our country fought a war to do away with the evil of slavery.  But now women claim the right to kill their own babies, for any reason at all.  That makes women a new oppressor class, in my book.  

Women worked hard to make abortion illegal at the beginning of the 20th century, understanding that abortion kills a living baby and leads to increased sexualization and objectification of women.  Now abortion is legal again, and women and girls are more sexually objectified than ever before in history.  

Getting rid of infanticide and abortion has always been considered a sign of growing civilization.  Yet now infanticide - killing infants in the womb, including fully developed babies - is legal.  Does that make us more civilized, or less? 

I read the pro-choice comments here, and it&#039;s all &quot;me, me, me, I, I, I, what do I want, how do I want to live.&quot;  The first commenter on this board said the writer would get lots of immature comments.  She did - from the pro-choicers, who show incredible immaturity, selfishness, and narcissism, if you ask me.  It&#039;s all about me, me, me - who cares if my baby has to die?  

Unborn babies today have the same status as bugs on the sidewalk, and you can squish them, chemically burn them to death, hack off their head and arms and legs, kill &#039;em any way you want, just so long as they&#039;re still in their mother&#039;s womb.  

I am not proud that my own babies were crushed and vacuumed out from inside my own body - and I am not happy that information about those babies was withheld from me at the clinics I want to.  I was kept in ignorance, and money was taken and abortion administered without any discussion of what was actually happening in my body - unlike every other medical procedure I&#039;ve gone through, where I was given detailed descriptions, diagrams, and alternatives, so I could make the best decision possible.  

It was only years later I found out my babies had tiny bodies, heartbeats, faces and eyes and tiny little hands, that even at six weeks they were alive and active and vigorous in my womb, anything but the &quot;blob of tissue&quot; I visualized back when I was having the abortions. It broke my heart.  It was a crime against me, not just my babies.  And I have to live with that for the rest of my life.  

If you were shown a tiny little baby, alive and kicking around (which they do from even a few weeks on), with a tiny little face and hands, heart beating like crazy, told it was yours - and then told to step on it, crush it, could you do it?  But that is what is happening every day inside abortion clinics, inside our own bodies - only the evidence is being withheld from us, so we don&#039;t see, don&#039;t have to deal with it.  And then we defend it.  What does that make us?

Pro-choice feminists want to withhold information about the babies from women facing abortion - though insisting women are intelligent and capable of handling anything from being a CEO to a fighter pilot.  It&#039;s &quot;too upsetting,&quot; they say (playing into the sexist idea that women are too emotional), and she &quot;might not get an abortion&quot; (showing that what they really want is abortion, not &quot;choice&quot;).  Hypocrites.  D*mn right it&#039;s too upsetting - and that just proves our argument.  It is a baby, and when shown the evidence, we know it.  Wouldn&#039;t be upsetting if it wasn&#039;t.  So don&#039;t insult our intelligence and manipulate our emotions by withholding it.

God d*mn abortion, I say - and grant us all the conscience, the heart, the eyes, to realize what abortion really is, and do away with it forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how people play the rape card when they start losing the argument about the humanity of the unborn, even though 99% of abortions have nothing to do with rape.</p>
<p>I had a friend years ago who was date raped, and got pregnant.  Everyone, her whole family and all her friends, tried to talk her into getting an abortion.  She refused, and had a little boy.  Being a single mom wasn&#039;t easy for her &#8211; but she said she couldn&#039;t see having the baby killed because of what had happened to her.</p>
<p>Many women who&#039;ve been raped and had abortions testify that they feel like they were raped twice, and regret the abortion.</p>
<p>Many children born of rape are grown up now, and are glad to be alive.  One of them, a woman named Rebecca Kiessling, is now a prolife attorney.</p>
<p>Ironies of abortion: in sexist cultures, man have often had the right to kill their wives, such as if they were unfaithful.  Slaveowners had the right to kill their slaves.  Women in the west have worked hard to throw off such sexism &#8211; and our country fought a war to do away with the evil of slavery.  But now women claim the right to kill their own babies, for any reason at all.  That makes women a new oppressor class, in my book.  </p>
<p>Women worked hard to make abortion illegal at the beginning of the 20th century, understanding that abortion kills a living baby and leads to increased sexualization and objectification of women.  Now abortion is legal again, and women and girls are more sexually objectified than ever before in history.  </p>
<p>Getting rid of infanticide and abortion has always been considered a sign of growing civilization.  Yet now infanticide &#8211; killing infants in the womb, including fully developed babies &#8211; is legal.  Does that make us more civilized, or less? </p>
<p>I read the pro-choice comments here, and it&#039;s all &#034;me, me, me, I, I, I, what do I want, how do I want to live.&#034;  The first commenter on this board said the writer would get lots of immature comments.  She did &#8211; from the pro-choicers, who show incredible immaturity, selfishness, and narcissism, if you ask me.  It&#039;s all about me, me, me &#8211; who cares if my baby has to die?  </p>
<p>Unborn babies today have the same status as bugs on the sidewalk, and you can squish them, chemically burn them to death, hack off their head and arms and legs, kill &#039;em any way you want, just so long as they&#039;re still in their mother&#039;s womb.  </p>
<p>I am not proud that my own babies were crushed and vacuumed out from inside my own body &#8211; and I am not happy that information about those babies was withheld from me at the clinics I want to.  I was kept in ignorance, and money was taken and abortion administered without any discussion of what was actually happening in my body &#8211; unlike every other medical procedure I&#039;ve gone through, where I was given detailed descriptions, diagrams, and alternatives, so I could make the best decision possible.  </p>
<p>It was only years later I found out my babies had tiny bodies, heartbeats, faces and eyes and tiny little hands, that even at six weeks they were alive and active and vigorous in my womb, anything but the &#034;blob of tissue&#034; I visualized back when I was having the abortions. It broke my heart.  It was a crime against me, not just my babies.  And I have to live with that for the rest of my life.  </p>
<p>If you were shown a tiny little baby, alive and kicking around (which they do from even a few weeks on), with a tiny little face and hands, heart beating like crazy, told it was yours &#8211; and then told to step on it, crush it, could you do it?  But that is what is happening every day inside abortion clinics, inside our own bodies &#8211; only the evidence is being withheld from us, so we don&#039;t see, don&#039;t have to deal with it.  And then we defend it.  What does that make us?</p>
<p>Pro-choice feminists want to withhold information about the babies from women facing abortion &#8211; though insisting women are intelligent and capable of handling anything from being a CEO to a fighter pilot.  It&#039;s &#034;too upsetting,&#034; they say (playing into the sexist idea that women are too emotional), and she &#034;might not get an abortion&#034; (showing that what they really want is abortion, not &#034;choice&#034;).  Hypocrites.  D*mn right it&#039;s too upsetting &#8211; and that just proves our argument.  It is a baby, and when shown the evidence, we know it.  Wouldn&#039;t be upsetting if it wasn&#039;t.  So don&#039;t insult our intelligence and manipulate our emotions by withholding it.</p>
<p>God d*mn abortion, I say &#8211; and grant us all the conscience, the heart, the eyes, to realize what abortion really is, and do away with it forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You never stop thinking about the baby you killed.&quot;

www.silentnomoreawreness.org

Women regret their abortions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;You never stop thinking about the baby you killed.&#034;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.silentnomoreawreness.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.silentnomoreawreness.org</a></p>
<p>Women regret their abortions.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m confused. You said in your CNN interview that whether one thinks it&#039;s right or wrong, abortion is legal, and we should all support people in exercising the rights that we have. SLAVERY WAS A RIGHT! Does that mean everyone should have had slaves prior to 1864 because it was legal?  There are a host of other laws that have been on the books (as recently as 60 years ago) that many people find offensive. Not all laws are moral or ethical.

That being said, you also said in your interview that 75% of women have miscarriages.  As far as I can tell 100% of women poop, but that doesn&#039;t mean we need to blog about it. It really is okay to keep some things private, or to discuss them only with a counselor or clergyman (or physician if it&#039;s about pooping).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m confused. You said in your CNN interview that whether one thinks it&#039;s right or wrong, abortion is legal, and we should all support people in exercising the rights that we have. SLAVERY WAS A RIGHT! Does that mean everyone should have had slaves prior to 1864 because it was legal?  There are a host of other laws that have been on the books (as recently as 60 years ago) that many people find offensive. Not all laws are moral or ethical.</p>
<p>That being said, you also said in your interview that 75% of women have miscarriages.  As far as I can tell 100% of women poop, but that doesn&#039;t mean we need to blog about it. It really is okay to keep some things private, or to discuss them only with a counselor or clergyman (or physician if it&#039;s about pooping).</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cecelia I hope you will get in touch with Rachel&#039;s Vineyard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cecelia I hope you will get in touch with Rachel&#039;s Vineyard.</p>
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