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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/06/17/whats-the-connection-between-abortions-and-careers/comment-page-8/#comment-214069</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the sole breadwinner in my family (hubby&#039;s been unemployed for 18 months), with a 16-month-old and another on the way, struggling through morning sickness to make it through my day, I do sometimes wonder how I will manage to advance my career at this rate! Thank you for your encouragement. It is not easy for women to integrate family and work, but it is easier when we can talk about it. Thank you too for sharing, and I&#039;m sorry you had to go through a tough time to come to this place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the sole breadwinner in my family (hubby&#039;s been unemployed for 18 months), with a 16-month-old and another on the way, struggling through morning sickness to make it through my day, I do sometimes wonder how I will manage to advance my career at this rate! Thank you for your encouragement. It is not easy for women to integrate family and work, but it is easier when we can talk about it. Thank you too for sharing, and I&#039;m sorry you had to go through a tough time to come to this place.</p>
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		<title>By: A-Listers : éloge de la transdisciplinarité et de l&#8217;action &#171; Heavy Mental</title>
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		<dc:creator>A-Listers : éloge de la transdisciplinarité et de l&#8217;action &#171; Heavy Mental</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: A-Listers : éloge de la trans-disciplinarité et de l&#8217;action &#171; Heavy Mental</title>
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		<dc:creator>A-Listers : éloge de la trans-disciplinarité et de l&#8217;action &#171; Heavy Mental</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Wendi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I bought into the idea that kids undermine your ability to build an amazing career. And here I am, with the amazing career. But also, here I am with two kids. So I know a bit about having kids and a career. And I want to tell you something: You don’t need to get an abortion to have a big career. Women who want big careers want them because something deep inside you drives you to change the world, lead a revolution, break new barriers. &lt;/i&gt;

This is what I wish every woman on the planet could understand. Drive is what motivates people to walk on the moon, become President of the United States, be a mom of six kids, or be a mom and the PTA president. One of my best friends has three boys and she&#039;s working on her master&#039;s in Library Sciences while her husband finishes up his PhD in Chinese Modern History. They have always wanted kids and they knew that kids would be stressful on their studies and their finances, but  they LOVE their children. Their passion for their family and their education drives them to succeed! They work hard at being a family, they work hard at their studies. 

So many times we&#039;re talked into thinking that everything is either/or. My mom was the same way. Don&#039;t be a housewife. Get a job. Don&#039;t depend on a man. Don&#039;t have kids too young. Don&#039;t don&#039;t don&#039;t. I appreciate my mother&#039;s feminism and encouragement, but at the same time I wonder what I might have missed out by not having kids when I was in my 20s. I&#039;m 34 now and my husband and I have decided that after 12 years of marriage that we don&#039;t want children. But don&#039;t get me wrong - that voice of my mother&#039;s was in my head a lot telling me, No, no kids now you don&#039;t have enough money. No, no kids now you don&#039;t have a good enough job. No kids now you&#039;ll be stuck home cleaning the house and cooking dinner. Well, I don&#039;t cook at all and I don&#039;t clean the house either. 

While I wish you hadn&#039;t gotten abortions, I know what it&#039;s like to listen to too many people talking at the same time and not necessarily being able to listen to yourself because you&#039;re afraid or you don&#039;t know what to do, I do feel like you are blessed with your two children. Apparently the universe is forgiving and understanding and loving and still thought you able to be a good mom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I bought into the idea that kids undermine your ability to build an amazing career. And here I am, with the amazing career. But also, here I am with two kids. So I know a bit about having kids and a career. And I want to tell you something: You don’t need to get an abortion to have a big career. Women who want big careers want them because something deep inside you drives you to change the world, lead a revolution, break new barriers. </i></p>
<p>This is what I wish every woman on the planet could understand. Drive is what motivates people to walk on the moon, become President of the United States, be a mom of six kids, or be a mom and the PTA president. One of my best friends has three boys and she&#039;s working on her master&#039;s in Library Sciences while her husband finishes up his PhD in Chinese Modern History. They have always wanted kids and they knew that kids would be stressful on their studies and their finances, but  they LOVE their children. Their passion for their family and their education drives them to succeed! They work hard at being a family, they work hard at their studies. </p>
<p>So many times we&#039;re talked into thinking that everything is either/or. My mom was the same way. Don&#039;t be a housewife. Get a job. Don&#039;t depend on a man. Don&#039;t have kids too young. Don&#039;t don&#039;t don&#039;t. I appreciate my mother&#039;s feminism and encouragement, but at the same time I wonder what I might have missed out by not having kids when I was in my 20s. I&#039;m 34 now and my husband and I have decided that after 12 years of marriage that we don&#039;t want children. But don&#039;t get me wrong &#8211; that voice of my mother&#039;s was in my head a lot telling me, No, no kids now you don&#039;t have enough money. No, no kids now you don&#039;t have a good enough job. No kids now you&#039;ll be stuck home cleaning the house and cooking dinner. Well, I don&#039;t cook at all and I don&#039;t clean the house either. </p>
<p>While I wish you hadn&#039;t gotten abortions, I know what it&#039;s like to listen to too many people talking at the same time and not necessarily being able to listen to yourself because you&#039;re afraid or you don&#039;t know what to do, I do feel like you are blessed with your two children. Apparently the universe is forgiving and understanding and loving and still thought you able to be a good mom.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Now I have a professional career – two children and tons of responsibility. I am always tired, always working (whether at home or at work), and feel as if there is little support out there for raising healthy, happy children.&quot;

Oh, you have little support, and your children might not be happy? Have you considered aborting them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;Now I have a professional career – two children and tons of responsibility. I am always tired, always working (whether at home or at work), and feel as if there is little support out there for raising healthy, happy children.&#034;</p>
<p>Oh, you have little support, and your children might not be happy? Have you considered aborting them?</p>
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		<title>By: Scout</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure which line of thinking to respond to first - the one about the need to maintain abortion as safe and legal - that it isn&#039;t an easy choice, but an essential one. Or do I respond to the reality that society does very little to support professional women, creating this construct in our thinking that you can&#039;t be a parent and a professional.  

I have experienced all these things, I had an abortion at 30 - mostly because the father was horrible and I was in a bad place in my life - I am everyday glad that I made that choice.  It was&#039;t a simple choice, but it was the right choice.  

Now I have a professional career - two children and tons of responsibility.  I am always tired, always working (whether at home or at work), and feel as if there is little support out there for raising healthy, happy children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure which line of thinking to respond to first &#8211; the one about the need to maintain abortion as safe and legal &#8211; that it isn&#039;t an easy choice, but an essential one. Or do I respond to the reality that society does very little to support professional women, creating this construct in our thinking that you can&#039;t be a parent and a professional.  </p>
<p>I have experienced all these things, I had an abortion at 30 &#8211; mostly because the father was horrible and I was in a bad place in my life &#8211; I am everyday glad that I made that choice.  It was&#039;t a simple choice, but it was the right choice.  </p>
<p>Now I have a professional career &#8211; two children and tons of responsibility.  I am always tired, always working (whether at home or at work), and feel as if there is little support out there for raising healthy, happy children.</p>
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		<title>By: Darlene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post!

I&#039;ve had 1 abortion that I only talk about to those close to me. Here is part of my experience: 

I don&#039;t regret it, but I never thought that it would haunt me to this day. Similar to your experience, I have not forgotten the man I had the abortion with. The difference is, he&#039;s the reason I&#039;m so thankful I had the abortion. Although he never realized it, he was/is borderline abusive and to think of sharing anything with him now makes me cringe. We don&#039;t keep in contact, which suits me fine, and there is no doubt in my mind that keeping the baby would have changed my life for the worse in my particular situation. I have since met a wonderful man that I want to share a life with, who I&#039;m not sure I would have met if I had decided to have the baby. Who really knows?

The only thing that has surprised me is how much I have thought about the baby I killed. I don&#039;t know if I&#039;ve mourned this baby enough. My fiance has helped me grieve, but as you mentioned, it won&#039;t leave me.

Thank you for being so frank about your experiences in your blog. It really helps :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post!</p>
<p>I&#039;ve had 1 abortion that I only talk about to those close to me. Here is part of my experience: </p>
<p>I don&#039;t regret it, but I never thought that it would haunt me to this day. Similar to your experience, I have not forgotten the man I had the abortion with. The difference is, he&#039;s the reason I&#039;m so thankful I had the abortion. Although he never realized it, he was/is borderline abusive and to think of sharing anything with him now makes me cringe. We don&#039;t keep in contact, which suits me fine, and there is no doubt in my mind that keeping the baby would have changed my life for the worse in my particular situation. I have since met a wonderful man that I want to share a life with, who I&#039;m not sure I would have met if I had decided to have the baby. Who really knows?</p>
<p>The only thing that has surprised me is how much I have thought about the baby I killed. I don&#039;t know if I&#039;ve mourned this baby enough. My fiance has helped me grieve, but as you mentioned, it won&#039;t leave me.</p>
<p>Thank you for being so frank about your experiences in your blog. It really helps :)</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 05:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graeme,

Let me be as &quot;explicit&quot; as possible.

As far as my &quot;preaching,&quot; &quot;ranting&quot; &quot;diatribe,&quot; I suggest you look at some of the other long comments - that&#039;s kind of what this has become - a debate.

As for my &quot;slur&quot; of your character, I merely respond to your telling me to &quot;STFU&quot; and you consider it a &quot;slur&quot;?  Sorry but, once again this is comical.

And it wasn&#039;t preaching as I used no religious arguments.  It was a well-thought-out statement of my stance based on Facts (there&#039;s those caps again...sorry)

All I asked for was the same in return (which I guess is too much to ask) instead of emotional non-fact based whining.

And no, if you don&#039;t have any logical reasons for supporting infanticide, I still don&#039;t give a damn about any political, religious, or other views you have that aren&#039;t based on reason.

If that offends you, go to a feminist rally where everyone agrees with you without question as long as you hate men and helpless human life. (There&#039;s those &quot;slurs&quot; again.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graeme,</p>
<p>Let me be as &#034;explicit&#034; as possible.</p>
<p>As far as my &#034;preaching,&#034; &#034;ranting&#034; &#034;diatribe,&#034; I suggest you look at some of the other long comments &#8211; that&#039;s kind of what this has become &#8211; a debate.</p>
<p>As for my &#034;slur&#034; of your character, I merely respond to your telling me to &#034;STFU&#034; and you consider it a &#034;slur&#034;?  Sorry but, once again this is comical.</p>
<p>And it wasn&#039;t preaching as I used no religious arguments.  It was a well-thought-out statement of my stance based on Facts (there&#039;s those caps again&#8230;sorry)</p>
<p>All I asked for was the same in return (which I guess is too much to ask) instead of emotional non-fact based whining.</p>
<p>And no, if you don&#039;t have any logical reasons for supporting infanticide, I still don&#039;t give a damn about any political, religious, or other views you have that aren&#039;t based on reason.</p>
<p>If that offends you, go to a feminist rally where everyone agrees with you without question as long as you hate men and helpless human life. (There&#039;s those &#034;slurs&#034; again.)</p>
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		<title>By: regretsfordays</title>
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		<dc:creator>regretsfordays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 02:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I murdered my child. A child I wanted. A child I was too afraid to stand up to my parents (along with the father) and keep. I was so afraid I went and had protesters shove tiny plastic fetus replicas into my palm, while my father cleared a path into the clinic. I walked away from my father and boyfriend terrified into the room, and laid on a table,  metal rods were inserted into my body while I lay shaking, to dilate my cervix enough to let the doctor suck my living baby out of my body in ripped apart pieces. While I laid on the table crying quietly and repeating in my head like a chant, I&#039;m sorry, I&#039;m so sorry, I&#039;m sorry, I&#039;m sorry. Sorry I wasn&#039;t strong enough to sit up, say NO, and find a way on my own. I have 3 children, but I am a mother of 4. And I murdered my child that day. I will never, ever completely forgive myself, and I don&#039;t think I should.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I murdered my child. A child I wanted. A child I was too afraid to stand up to my parents (along with the father) and keep. I was so afraid I went and had protesters shove tiny plastic fetus replicas into my palm, while my father cleared a path into the clinic. I walked away from my father and boyfriend terrified into the room, and laid on a table,  metal rods were inserted into my body while I lay shaking, to dilate my cervix enough to let the doctor suck my living baby out of my body in ripped apart pieces. While I laid on the table crying quietly and repeating in my head like a chant, I&#039;m sorry, I&#039;m so sorry, I&#039;m sorry, I&#039;m sorry. Sorry I wasn&#039;t strong enough to sit up, say NO, and find a way on my own. I have 3 children, but I am a mother of 4. And I murdered my child that day. I will never, ever completely forgive myself, and I don&#039;t think I should.</p>
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