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		<title>By: William Mitchell, CPRW</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/04/28/how-to-deal-with-reference-checks/comment-page-2/#comment-216123</link>
		<dc:creator>William Mitchell, CPRW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 03:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure how to dodge companies that perform references. They all ask for them, although not all follow through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure how to dodge companies that perform references. They all ask for them, although not all follow through.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Tonkin</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/04/28/how-to-deal-with-reference-checks/comment-page-1/#comment-188287</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Tonkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could have saved yourself time by just having the one line:
&quot;Don&#039;t work for a person who relies on reference checks. They’re lame.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could have saved yourself time by just having the one line:<br />
&#034;Don&#039;t work for a person who relies on reference checks. They’re lame.&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: Sr. HR Guy</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/04/28/how-to-deal-with-reference-checks/comment-page-1/#comment-188266</link>
		<dc:creator>Sr. HR Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love your blog Penelope and usually agree with them all but I&#039;m afraid that this time it&#039;s my opinion that you missed the target.  I&#039;ve been performing reference checks for years and the only reason that a person would use a true &#039;ringer&#039; is if they have something to hide and if they are using a ringer, they&#039;re a liar and lack the type of character of the people you should associate with, let alone hire.

Nonetheless, I never expect to receive negative feedback from reference actually listed on applications.  Who would list the name of someone who hated them or their work?  That&#039;s where the skill of performing reference checks come in; getting to the truth, whether it&#039;s good or bad.  I&#039;ve had applicants tell me that trying to get a job at our company is like trying to get a job at the CIA and frankly, that&#039;s the way it should be if you&#039;re gambling the success of your company (and your livelihood) on the people you hire... which is everyone; from warehouse worker to CFO.

Two applicants/reference checks stick out in my mind: something didn&#039;t ring true so I dug and dug and dug.  It turns out that one applicant had a criminal history of abusing women and the second had a nasty habit of exposing himself to girls, which they both finally confirmed.  Digging into their references and beyond paid off for us.  The laws of HR are changing and I always remind the references and previous employers that if they don&#039;t tell me about something violent or criminal, that they can be held liable for negligence via omission if we hire the person and they become a repeat offender. 

In regards to (social) networking, I love it!  Get out there and network because as an employer I make certain to check all of the social networking sites and if you think that information is private, then you&#039;re using the wrong search tools.  I love interviewing someone who tells me they have no problem with early AM shifts and then find out they usually spend their nights clubbing and they&#039;ve made a comment on their Facebook page which shows how they hate, hate, HATE to get up before 9AM.

Keep up the great work Penelope, I have to say that 99.9% of your blogs are laser-pointer perfect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love your blog Penelope and usually agree with them all but I&#039;m afraid that this time it&#039;s my opinion that you missed the target.  I&#039;ve been performing reference checks for years and the only reason that a person would use a true &#039;ringer&#039; is if they have something to hide and if they are using a ringer, they&#039;re a liar and lack the type of character of the people you should associate with, let alone hire.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, I never expect to receive negative feedback from reference actually listed on applications.  Who would list the name of someone who hated them or their work?  That&#039;s where the skill of performing reference checks come in; getting to the truth, whether it&#039;s good or bad.  I&#039;ve had applicants tell me that trying to get a job at our company is like trying to get a job at the CIA and frankly, that&#039;s the way it should be if you&#039;re gambling the success of your company (and your livelihood) on the people you hire&#8230; which is everyone; from warehouse worker to CFO.</p>
<p>Two applicants/reference checks stick out in my mind: something didn&#039;t ring true so I dug and dug and dug.  It turns out that one applicant had a criminal history of abusing women and the second had a nasty habit of exposing himself to girls, which they both finally confirmed.  Digging into their references and beyond paid off for us.  The laws of HR are changing and I always remind the references and previous employers that if they don&#039;t tell me about something violent or criminal, that they can be held liable for negligence via omission if we hire the person and they become a repeat offender. </p>
<p>In regards to (social) networking, I love it!  Get out there and network because as an employer I make certain to check all of the social networking sites and if you think that information is private, then you&#039;re using the wrong search tools.  I love interviewing someone who tells me they have no problem with early AM shifts and then find out they usually spend their nights clubbing and they&#039;ve made a comment on their Facebook page which shows how they hate, hate, HATE to get up before 9AM.</p>
<p>Keep up the great work Penelope, I have to say that 99.9% of your blogs are laser-pointer perfect.</p>
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		<title>By: Nike Lebron VI</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/04/28/how-to-deal-with-reference-checks/comment-page-1/#comment-187124</link>
		<dc:creator>Nike Lebron VI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hate giving references. I&#039;m 24 and don&#039;t exactly have an overwhelming number of great ones (or really any that could augment me in a professional manner).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hate giving references. I&#039;m 24 and don&#039;t exactly have an overwhelming number of great ones (or really any that could augment me in a professional manner).</p>
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		<title>By: thatgirlinnewyork</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/04/28/how-to-deal-with-reference-checks/comment-page-1/#comment-185336</link>
		<dc:creator>thatgirlinnewyork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 15:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>perhaps references are being falling victim to the (ugly, in my opinion) preference for background and credit checks now being widely used. as middle management in marketing, i have seen a huge increase in this, and it makes me uneasy. too many entities have access to our credit information, as it is. it is shoddy and paranoia-inducing--and who says it stands as a good litmus for employment?

would love everyone&#039;s thoughts on this practice.

i&#039;m with nadia--&quot;lame&quot; is an apt word, and more widely used to describe injured dogs. using it in this context doesn&#039;t diminish anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>perhaps references are being falling victim to the (ugly, in my opinion) preference for background and credit checks now being widely used. as middle management in marketing, i have seen a huge increase in this, and it makes me uneasy. too many entities have access to our credit information, as it is. it is shoddy and paranoia-inducing&#8211;and who says it stands as a good litmus for employment?</p>
<p>would love everyone&#039;s thoughts on this practice.</p>
<p>i&#039;m with nadia&#8211;&#034;lame&#034; is an apt word, and more widely used to describe injured dogs. using it in this context doesn&#039;t diminish anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: ResumePro &#124; How to deal with reference checks</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/04/28/how-to-deal-with-reference-checks/comment-page-1/#comment-185332</link>
		<dc:creator>ResumePro &#124; How to deal with reference checks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 13:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Penelope Trunk&#8217;s Brazen Careerist by Penelope [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Traveler</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/04/28/how-to-deal-with-reference-checks/comment-page-1/#comment-185308</link>
		<dc:creator>Traveler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 03:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether you like it or not, reference checks DO HAPPEN, all major corporations do them, I know from my background in HR.  A better bet than pretending they don&#039;t matter is to make sure yours are good- have a reference checking service like allisontaylor.com or reference-check.com find out what people are really saying about you.  A bad reference CAN and DOES cost people jobs every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether you like it or not, reference checks DO HAPPEN, all major corporations do them, I know from my background in HR.  A better bet than pretending they don&#039;t matter is to make sure yours are good- have a reference checking service like allisontaylor.com or reference-check.com find out what people are really saying about you.  A bad reference CAN and DOES cost people jobs every day.</p>
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		<title>By: fern</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/04/28/how-to-deal-with-reference-checks/comment-page-1/#comment-185245</link>
		<dc:creator>fern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 13:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s how i handle references.

when i leave a company, as in a layoff, i ask my boss or someone else for a WRITTEN reference. Since I&#039;m a writer and they usually are not, i&#039;ve been asked more than once to write my own reference and they they happily sign it! So of course i give myself a glowing review.

The advantages here are that you get a detailed account of your performance while it&#039;s still fresh in their minds, not 6 months later when you finally get an interview.

I also hand in copies of my written references at any job interview I get. This is only a positive, plus it could possibly be considered sufficient instead of necessitating a phone call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#039;s how i handle references.</p>
<p>when i leave a company, as in a layoff, i ask my boss or someone else for a WRITTEN reference. Since I&#039;m a writer and they usually are not, i&#039;ve been asked more than once to write my own reference and they they happily sign it! So of course i give myself a glowing review.</p>
<p>The advantages here are that you get a detailed account of your performance while it&#039;s still fresh in their minds, not 6 months later when you finally get an interview.</p>
<p>I also hand in copies of my written references at any job interview I get. This is only a positive, plus it could possibly be considered sufficient instead of necessitating a phone call.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberta Lewis</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/04/28/how-to-deal-with-reference-checks/comment-page-1/#comment-185152</link>
		<dc:creator>Roberta Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 03:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason reference checks are bunk is exactly because of the latitude given. There&#039;s no way to know if a previous employer is giving &quot;false information&quot;. It&#039;s easy for your boss to decide to mention your tardiness but not your customer commendations or awards. What if they were having a crappy day and the interviewer perceives that as a negative for the job seeker? People are human, and one careless statement can snowball quickly.

I have a friend in real estate who reported ethics violations at his company. While he says he&#039;s protected from retaliation, I pointed out that he has no idea what his boss and coworkers will say come reference time (the whole office was investigated). I think he shouldn&#039;t use them at all no matter how suspicious it looks, but he pointed out he didn&#039;t exactly want to be known as a whistleblower. So what options does he have other than client references?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason reference checks are bunk is exactly because of the latitude given. There&#039;s no way to know if a previous employer is giving &#034;false information&#034;. It&#039;s easy for your boss to decide to mention your tardiness but not your customer commendations or awards. What if they were having a crappy day and the interviewer perceives that as a negative for the job seeker? People are human, and one careless statement can snowball quickly.</p>
<p>I have a friend in real estate who reported ethics violations at his company. While he says he&#039;s protected from retaliation, I pointed out that he has no idea what his boss and coworkers will say come reference time (the whole office was investigated). I think he shouldn&#039;t use them at all no matter how suspicious it looks, but he pointed out he didn&#039;t exactly want to be known as a whistleblower. So what options does he have other than client references?</p>
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		<title>By: A question about answering, &#8220;Why are you leaving?&#8221; — Leaving Academia</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/04/28/how-to-deal-with-reference-checks/comment-page-1/#comment-185143</link>
		<dc:creator>A question about answering, &#8220;Why are you leaving?&#8221; — Leaving Academia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 13:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for the record, here&#8217;s what Brazen Careerist Penelope Trunk says about references. But what do you think, readers? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for the record, here&#039;s what Brazen Careerist Penelope Trunk says about references. But what do you think, readers? [...]</p>
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