Comments on: When women get power at work, do they use it like men do? http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/03/09/when-women-get-power-at-work-do-they-use-it-like-men-do/ Advice at the intersection of work and life Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:31:06 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: SuzyQ_826 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/03/09/when-women-get-power-at-work-do-they-use-it-like-men-do/comment-page-1/#comment-220687 SuzyQ_826 Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:25:35 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=2240#comment-220687 Andrea and Heaven's Sake, I really think that you're rushing to judgement in your responses of "you used your prior intimate relationships to boost your career" and "you slept your way up in your career". I'm not sure that you thoroughly considered Penelope's motives or intentions. Penelope writes about men she dated as who happened to be in a position to help her achieve her career advancement goals and possibly introduce her to new opportunities. Nowhere in her post does it say or imply that she purposely sought out men who could further her career and deliberately initiated a sexual relationship with them. Now, that would be considered "sleeping your way to the top". You admonish Penelope as if she wantonly traded sexual encounters with directors and CEOs for career advancement. Just because men she dated could or did help her career doesn't mean that was her only motive, so why do you assume that? It's not a crime to help someone you care about, whether it's a friend, sibling, or significant other. And who would not want to help someone they were dating, especially if they were in a good position to do so? Andrea and Heaven's Sake,

I really think that you're rushing to judgement in your responses of "you used your prior intimate relationships to boost your career" and "you slept your way up in your career". I'm not sure that you thoroughly considered Penelope's motives or intentions.

Penelope writes about men she dated as who happened to be in a position to help her achieve her career advancement goals and possibly introduce her to new opportunities. Nowhere in her post does it say or imply that she purposely sought out men who could further her career and deliberately initiated a sexual relationship with them. Now, that would be considered "sleeping your way to the top".

You admonish Penelope as if she wantonly traded sexual encounters with directors and CEOs for career advancement. Just because men she dated could or did help her career doesn't mean that was her only motive, so why do you assume that?

It's not a crime to help someone you care about, whether it's a friend, sibling, or significant other. And who would not want to help someone they were dating, especially if they were in a good position to do so?

]]> By: Misha http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/03/09/when-women-get-power-at-work-do-they-use-it-like-men-do/comment-page-2/#comment-214894 Misha Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:50:03 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=2240#comment-214894 Great post on a tricky issue. Seems like it's up to the individuals to decide what's right for themselves and their own consciences in a given situation. The moralistic idea that sex always has to be sacred is silly, and the ethical use of power is extremely complex. The time stamp left me wondering, though, where was the farmer when all this was going on? Making cupcake power-plays with random 25-year-olds while in the midst of a committed relationship makes it less acceptable, in my view. Still up to the individual, I suppose, but somehow ickier. Great post on a tricky issue. Seems like it's up to the individuals to decide what's right for themselves and their own consciences in a given situation. The moralistic idea that sex always has to be sacred is silly, and the ethical use of power is extremely complex.

The time stamp left me wondering, though, where was the farmer when all this was going on? Making cupcake power-plays with random 25-year-olds while in the midst of a committed relationship makes it less acceptable, in my view. Still up to the individual, I suppose, but somehow ickier.

]]> By: Accept loss http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/03/09/when-women-get-power-at-work-do-they-use-it-like-men-do/comment-page-2/#comment-214776 Accept loss Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:37:49 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=2240#comment-214776 The plan may be to force me to stay in this house. "This way they can show up and poison you." Like they were poisoned by mom? Like they have poisoned their children, who will in turn poison their own children. And the neighbor's kids too, no doubt. Good thing it's not an issue down south:::Her favor as a motherblood provides her protection from herself. This cycle will continue until one of them decides to say "No." to temptation. This is the individual among them who will be saved from Damnation, the one who will break the cycle. Otherwise their parents will do it to them again when they are reincarnated. I think how they may have reincarnated grandma into Cris. I can't imagine they disliked her that much. Of course it may be protection:::They like her so to save her from herself they isolate her, ensuring this potential hard-core preditor has no outlet for evil. Except his father. After all, he lived with her before she "died". I think we see this repeated in the Situation::::The Gods protected those with favor from themselves. And savor poetic justice. Accept loss. The plan may be to force me to stay in this house. "This way they can show up and poison you." Like they were poisoned by mom?
Like they have poisoned their children, who will in turn poison their own children.
And the neighbor's kids too, no doubt. Good thing it's not an issue down south:::Her favor as a motherblood provides her protection from herself.
This cycle will continue until one of them decides to say "No." to temptation.
This is the individual among them who will be saved from Damnation, the one who will break the cycle. Otherwise their parents will do it to them again when they are reincarnated.
I think how they may have reincarnated grandma into Cris. I can't imagine they disliked her that much.
Of course it may be protection:::They like her so to save her from herself they isolate her, ensuring this potential hard-core preditor has no outlet for evil.
Except his father. After all, he lived with her before she "died".
I think we see this repeated in the Situation::::The Gods protected those with favor from themselves.
And savor poetic justice.
Accept loss.

]]> By: Breastfeeding Your Man and Blind Date Sex – While Kids are in the Next Room | Dad's House http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/03/09/when-women-get-power-at-work-do-they-use-it-like-men-do/comment-page-2/#comment-211984 Breastfeeding Your Man and Blind Date Sex – While Kids are in the Next Room | Dad's House Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:22:29 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=2240#comment-211984 [...] hookup at home while her young daughter slept in the next room. But she’s not alone. Penelope Trunk recently blogged about something [...] [...] hookup at home while her young daughter slept in the next room. But she's not alone. Penelope Trunk recently blogged about something [...]

]]> By: DirkJohanson http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/03/09/when-women-get-power-at-work-do-they-use-it-like-men-do/comment-page-2/#comment-203108 DirkJohanson Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:28:26 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=2240#comment-203108 I take note of the assumptions by everyone that when a girl sleeps her way up to the top, it is the guys that enable this that have all the power. Uh - isn't the girl using HER power to get what she wants? Meanwhile, of course, as Guyinism recognizes, its the young, hard-working regular guys that are on the outs. I take note of the assumptions by everyone that when a girl sleeps her way up to the top, it is the guys that enable this that have all the power.

Uh – isn't the girl using HER power to get what she wants?

Meanwhile, of course, as Guyinism recognizes, its the young, hard-working regular guys that are on the outs.

]]> By: heaven's sake http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/03/09/when-women-get-power-at-work-do-they-use-it-like-men-do/comment-page-1/#comment-189719 heaven's sake Sun, 26 Jul 2009 08:11:26 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=2240#comment-189719 Great, Penelope, so you slept your way up in your career. So all the other women who did NOT sleep with the guys that were helping you talk to people were edged out. Thanks a lot. And now you're cavalierly writing about it as if it were nothing, or even expected. Well, in case this comes as a shock to you or to any young women who read your blog, most women do not behave this way, and it is morally wrong. It hurts you, the man, and other women (and men). Shame on you. Great, Penelope, so you slept your way up in your career. So all the other women who did NOT sleep with the guys that were helping you talk to people were edged out. Thanks a lot. And now you're cavalierly writing about it as if it were nothing, or even expected. Well, in case this comes as a shock to you or to any young women who read your blog, most women do not behave this way, and it is morally wrong. It hurts you, the man, and other women (and men). Shame on you.

]]> By: On the Direction of the Flow of Wealth between Man and Woman « Richard Hollerith http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/03/09/when-women-get-power-at-work-do-they-use-it-like-men-do/comment-page-2/#comment-189189 On the Direction of the Flow of Wealth between Man and Woman « Richard Hollerith Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:12:17 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=2240#comment-189189 [...] Source. [...] [...] Source. [...]

]]> By: Career Advice: Dan Schwabel vs Penelope Trunk | Viralogy Blog http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/03/09/when-women-get-power-at-work-do-they-use-it-like-men-do/comment-page-2/#comment-187035 Career Advice: Dan Schwabel vs Penelope Trunk | Viralogy Blog Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:55:07 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=2240#comment-187035 [...] also explores the curious topic of whether woman can use their power at work to help their young lovers like men do to younger girls. Finally, she gives out standard nice advice about how can girls get [...] [...] also explores the curious topic of whether woman can use their power at work to help their young lovers like men do to younger girls. Finally, she gives out standard nice advice about how can girls get [...]

]]> By: Sexually Confident Woman or Slut? | The Confidence Guy http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/03/09/when-women-get-power-at-work-do-they-use-it-like-men-do/comment-page-2/#comment-185496 Sexually Confident Woman or Slut? | The Confidence Guy Tue, 12 May 2009 19:31:00 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=2240#comment-185496 [...] Trunk recently told her blog readers about a younger guy she was sleeping with, and looking at the comments the opinions vary between ‘incredible‘, ‘hear, [...] [...] Trunk recently told her blog readers about a younger guy she was sleeping with, and looking at the comments the opinions vary between 'incredible', 'hear, [...]

]]> By: What’s with these people? A short critique of Gen-Y, and a few other things for flavor. | Wil Butler http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/03/09/when-women-get-power-at-work-do-they-use-it-like-men-do/comment-page-2/#comment-184812 What’s with these people? A short critique of Gen-Y, and a few other things for flavor. | Wil Butler Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:31:45 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=2240#comment-184812 [...] pissing on her floor and asking her to wake them up like she’s their mommy, and a little post about one trying to sleep his way to the top using her, what the hell is wrong with young people [...] [...] pissing on her floor and asking her to wake them up like she's their mommy, and a little post about one trying to sleep his way to the top using her, what the hell is wrong with young people [...]

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