Comments on: Here's what's rising from the grave of traditional PR http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/02/24/here%e2%80%99s-what%e2%80%99s-rising-from-the-grave-of-traditional-pr/ Advice at the intersection of work and life Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:29:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Jane Austen http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/02/24/here%e2%80%99s-what%e2%80%99s-rising-from-the-grave-of-traditional-pr/comment-page-1/#comment-263944 Jane Austen Tue, 01 Nov 2011 14:54:00 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=2182#comment-263944 As much as we don't like to admit it sometimes there is prejudice based on age, and sometimes we have to resort to botox with <a href="http://www.lasercareformyskin.com/sitepages/pid35.html" rel="nofollow">juvederm</a> just to stay looking young. I love what you said about the media not getting the whole story, and just putting what they want out there. Great story about American Express! As much as we don't like to admit it sometimes there is prejudice based on age, and sometimes we have to resort to botox with juvederm just to stay looking young. I love what you said about the media not getting the whole story, and just putting what they want out there. Great story about American Express!

]]> By: Martin Schmalenbach http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/02/24/here%e2%80%99s-what%e2%80%99s-rising-from-the-grave-of-traditional-pr/comment-page-1/#comment-227821 Martin Schmalenbach Thu, 13 May 2010 21:17:10 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=2182#comment-227821 <strong>Here’s what’s rising from the grave of traditional PR...</strong> I friend of mine forwarded to me an email excerpt of a blog entry on Penelope Trunk’s blog at Brazen Careerist. It eloquently and succinctly describes the new paradigm that Web 2.0 and social media represent to the PR and advertising/marketing in... Here's what's rising from the grave of traditional PR…

I friend of mine forwarded to me an email excerpt of a blog entry on Penelope Trunk's blog at Brazen Careerist. It eloquently and succinctly describes the new paradigm that Web 2.0 and social media represent to the PR and advertising/marketing in…

]]> By: Mark W. http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/02/24/here%e2%80%99s-what%e2%80%99s-rising-from-the-grave-of-traditional-pr/comment-page-1/#comment-183089 Mark W. Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:04:15 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=2182#comment-183089 I knew I read something really good about American Express somewhere on the web and I just came across it today. It's a blog post from Ron at 'The Wisdom Journal' on identity theft ( http://www.thewisdomjournal.com/Blog/my-identity-was-stolen/ ). Here's the excerpt on AmEx from his blog post - "I had no idea what to do. I called American Express and told them what I suspected. They immediately shut everything down and gave me the phone numbers to all three credit bureaus to close the door on any further credit fraud. Generally, you’re only liable for the first $50 but American Express waived that. I cannot praise the people at American Express enough. They were absolutely fabulous to deal with and every person I spoke with was over the top with helpful suggestions and encouragement." I knew I read something really good about American Express somewhere on the web and I just came across it today. It's a blog post from Ron at 'The Wisdom Journal' on identity theft ( http://www.thewisdomjournal.com/Blog/my-identity-was-stolen/ ). Here's the excerpt on AmEx from his blog post -

"I had no idea what to do. I called American Express and told them what I suspected. They immediately shut everything down and gave me the phone numbers to all three credit bureaus to close the door on any further credit fraud. Generally, you’re only liable for the first $50 but American Express waived that. I cannot praise the people at American Express enough. They were absolutely fabulous to deal with and every person I spoke with was over the top with helpful suggestions and encouragement."

]]> By: وظائف خالية http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/02/24/here%e2%80%99s-what%e2%80%99s-rising-from-the-grave-of-traditional-pr/comment-page-1/#comment-182756 وظائف خالية Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:19:38 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=2182#comment-182756 Great Post! I think the old vehicle of traditional PR still runs more than some people think Great Post!

I think the old vehicle of traditional PR still runs more than some people think

]]> By: Martin Schmalenbach http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/02/24/here%e2%80%99s-what%e2%80%99s-rising-from-the-grave-of-traditional-pr/comment-page-1/#comment-182545 Martin Schmalenbach Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:39:22 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=2182#comment-182545 <strong>Here’s what’s rising from the grave of traditional PR...</strong> I friend of mine forwarded to me an email excerpt of a blog entry on Penelope Trunk’s blog at Brazen Careerist. It eloquently and succinctly describes the new paradigm that Web 2.0 and social media represent to the PR and advertising/marketing in... Here's what's rising from the grave of traditional PR…

I friend of mine forwarded to me an email excerpt of a blog entry on Penelope Trunk's blog at Brazen Careerist.
It eloquently and succinctly describes the new paradigm that Web 2.0 and social media represent to the PR and advertising/marketing in…

]]> By: jennyg http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/02/24/here%e2%80%99s-what%e2%80%99s-rising-from-the-grave-of-traditional-pr/comment-page-1/#comment-182530 jennyg Sun, 15 Mar 2009 01:16:04 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=2182#comment-182530 Realself. REALSELF?!?! (how ironic!) Good God. Why do you keep doing things that make me completely lose all respect for you and your opinions? Suggesting (cheesy, horrible) webpages like this as a solution to making it in the business world makes me feel like there is no hope, ever, for business in this country. How about doing a good job, looking your age, and thereby reinforcing the notion that age=experience=good? How about advising women about how to better communicate their efforts, results, and impact on a project or company, as opposed to *advocating SURGERY??* (sigh). I wish you realized this suggestion of yours is the problem, not the solution. Realself.

REALSELF?!?! (how ironic!)

Good God. Why do you keep doing things that make me completely lose all respect for you and your opinions? Suggesting (cheesy, horrible) webpages like this as a solution to making it in the business world makes me feel like there is no hope, ever, for business in this country.

How about doing a good job, looking your age, and thereby reinforcing the notion that age=experience=good? How about advising women about how to better communicate their efforts, results, and impact on a project or company, as opposed to *advocating SURGERY??* (sigh). I wish you realized this suggestion of yours is the problem, not the solution.

]]> By: Melinda http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/02/24/here%e2%80%99s-what%e2%80%99s-rising-from-the-grave-of-traditional-pr/comment-page-1/#comment-181874 Melinda Thu, 05 Mar 2009 06:33:18 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=2182#comment-181874 Hi Tom, Thanks for your response. I did read through the site but didn’t see the section where people commented that they had not undergone surgery – all the comments seemed to be from people who underwent surgery or procedures already. I realise not all responses are positive, but looking at the site as a whole, overwhelmingly they are. I don’t know whether this is a genuine reflection of patient satisfaction, as the people responding on the site are self-selected, not randomly selected. Are people who are satisfied more likely to find and post on a site like RealSelf? Are people who have spent a lot of money on a vanity procedure likely to try to justify the worth? I don’t know, but they’re worthwhile questions. I also note that cosmetic doctors can post before/after pics. Obviously these pictures are going to be biased towards procedures that the doctor regards as good results, not average or even poor ones. There’s also a section where people ask questions and working plastic surgeons respond – expert, but hardly independent advice. And finally, surgeons often respond to poor reviews, frequently recommending further procedures to fix what went wrong. With these kind of selection biases, I don’t know how the site cannot be regarded as promoting plastic surgery on the whole. Hi Tom,

Thanks for your response. I did read through the site but didn’t see the section where people commented that they had not undergone surgery – all the comments seemed to be from people who underwent surgery or procedures already.

I realise not all responses are positive, but looking at the site as a whole, overwhelmingly they are. I don’t know whether this is a genuine reflection of patient satisfaction, as the people responding on the site are self-selected, not randomly selected. Are people who are satisfied more likely to find and post on a site like RealSelf? Are people who have spent a lot of money on a vanity procedure likely to try to justify the worth? I don’t know, but they’re worthwhile questions.

I also note that cosmetic doctors can post before/after pics. Obviously these pictures are going to be biased towards procedures that the doctor regards as good results, not average or even poor ones. There’s also a section where people ask questions and working plastic surgeons respond – expert, but hardly independent advice. And finally, surgeons often respond to poor reviews, frequently recommending further procedures to fix what went wrong.

With these kind of selection biases, I don’t know how the site cannot be regarded as promoting plastic surgery on the whole.

]]> By: Dale http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/02/24/here%e2%80%99s-what%e2%80%99s-rising-from-the-grave-of-traditional-pr/comment-page-1/#comment-181805 Dale Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:34:02 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=2182#comment-181805 Most men don't have cosmetic surgery as much as women because the only surgery that would make men more confident, etc wouldn't be visible. Ultimately, it's all about confidence, and those etheral qualities that make recruiters like, trust, or admire you. Looking good isn't it, it's about confidence and self esteem. These are what people buy with plastic surgery. When men make the connection between confidence and surgery, they'll be lining up for it, even if the thought of a knife down there gives them the willies. Pun intended:) Most men don't have cosmetic surgery as much as women because the only surgery that would make men more confident, etc wouldn't be visible. Ultimately, it's all about confidence, and those etheral qualities that make recruiters like, trust, or admire you. Looking good isn't it, it's about confidence and self esteem. These are what people buy with plastic surgery.
When men make the connection between confidence and surgery, they'll be lining up for it, even if the thought of a knife down there gives them the willies. Pun intended:)

]]> By: melanie gao http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/02/24/here%e2%80%99s-what%e2%80%99s-rising-from-the-grave-of-traditional-pr/comment-page-1/#comment-181725 melanie gao Mon, 02 Mar 2009 04:27:42 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=2182#comment-181725 I'm with Caitlin and JT on this one. I felt very bait-and-switched by the RealSelf link - it's not about ways to look younger, it's about plastic surgery. There are better, safer ways to look your best. I'm with Caitlin and JT on this one. I felt very bait-and-switched by the RealSelf link – it's not about ways to look younger, it's about plastic surgery. There are better, safer ways to look your best.

]]> By: Caitlin http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/02/24/here%e2%80%99s-what%e2%80%99s-rising-from-the-grave-of-traditional-pr/comment-page-1/#comment-181670 Caitlin Sat, 28 Feb 2009 13:56:37 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/?p=2182#comment-181670 @Tom, fair enough. I don't have a problem with the existence of a website about cosmetic surgery, just little personal interest in it. My issue was that Penelope described it as a site to help women look younger and I think that's misleading. Looking younger might be part of the motivation for the people using your site, but it's not the most accurate description of what the site is about. Of course, people don't set out to look freakish but I've certainly seen that happen from too many face lifts or implants or botox injections. I agree there can be a middle way. Lasik eye surgery is a form of cosmetic surgery by the way. I'm not saying that as a judgment (it's something I'd contemplate), just as an accurate descriptor of what it is. @Tom, fair enough. I don't have a problem with the existence of a website about cosmetic surgery, just little personal interest in it. My issue was that Penelope described it as a site to help women look younger and I think that's misleading. Looking younger might be part of the motivation for the people using your site, but it's not the most accurate description of what the site is about.

Of course, people don't set out to look freakish but I've certainly seen that happen from too many face lifts or implants or botox injections. I agree there can be a middle way.

Lasik eye surgery is a form of cosmetic surgery by the way. I'm not saying that as a judgment (it's something I'd contemplate), just as an accurate descriptor of what it is.

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