Let me first say that my lawyer is not happy when I blog about my divorce. But now that I've been in a front-page article of the New York Times for blogging about the divorce, I think we've passed the point of discretion.
And anyway, I think it's okay to blog because I am the transparent type, so it would be weird for me to have this huge thing in my life and not write anything about it. How is this blog at the intersection of work and life if I cut out the life?
Also, I noticed that Nino has started commenting on my recent divorce posts, and he seems to be updating my family about our divorce via Facebook, so at this point I feel that all is fair in social media. And maybe working out one's divorce is going to be the killer app for Twitter.
So the first thing I've done to make sure the divorce doesn't undermine my career is that I'm not pretending that it is irrelevant to my career. But here are some other steps I've decided are important for trying to keep both the divorce and the career on track.
1. Surround yourself with smart people. They'll help you make faster progress.
I hired the two top attorneys. As if there is top anything in little Madison, Wisconsin. But alas, in any sea, there are big fish. I spend most of my time worrying that Nino routinely complains of me stealing our marital assets. Like, he'll mention it while we're watching a soccer game, or under his breath taking the kids to violin class.
Usually this accusation is reserved for men who buy a yacht and a condo for a hot little mistress and twelve first-class airfares to see her. So the accusation won't hold for me. But still, my attorney decided that our best strategy is make sure that Nino has a great attorney so it is two smart lawyers who are used to negotiating with each other and things will go faster.
I hope this is a good strategy. If my site starts loading slower you'll know that the lawyers have been so expensive that I had to cut back on bandwidth.
2. Be consistent – be the same in the divorce as you'd be in your work
Our first official divorce fight was Nino refusing to refer to me as Penelope in his emails. I told him he has to use Penelope, but I tried to say it in a nice email so that we were not having animosity. In my heart of hearts I still believe the most important thing is to be nice.
So we tried. He wrote a long email about how my old name—which I'm not even writing here because I'm so done with it—is more appropriate. I ignored the email. He ignored my pleas. It's like we're still married. Oh. Wait. We are.
3. Keep a sense of humor – it gives you fresh perspective.
Surprisingly though, our efforts to downplay the divorce animosity are paying off. For example, on Mother's Day, Nino agreed to go on a hike with me and our kids and our eight-year-old neighbor who spends tons of time at our house. It was a big favor for him to do because I'm the one who really wants the kids to feel like we're still a family, and I'm the one who likes hiking.
On the hike, the boys comforted me by being their normal boy selves, and they turned mud piles into cannon balls and every long stick became a sword. We sat down to rest at a campsite.
Nino said, "Wow, they have everything at the campsite, even a place to chop wood. If you have a hatchet."
The eight-year-old neighbor says, "We have a hatchet at our house. My mom's boyfriend bought it for her last Valentine's Day."
Nino and I looked at each other, incredulous, and smiled. And for one, small second I felt like we were a family—the parents sharing an inside joke while the kids try to kill each other.
4. Be a good time manager; the divorce takes time, so manage it well
Ignoring the fact that my lawyer's time is probably more expensive than mine, I had him meet me at McDonald's. I had breakfast with my two-year-old and then, while he was crawling up and down in Ronald's Playland, I gave my lawyer a summary of our debts and assets. My son asked two or three times who the guy was. I said, "It's my friend, Allan." And as I said it I thought maybe this would make it so I get the hourly rate for friends. (Do divorce lawyers have any friends?)
My son offered Allan an ice cream, which he declined, (and then Allan's clock ticked in Playland while I bought my son the most expensive ice cream ever purchased.) Then my son asked if Allan wanted to go down the slide. He asked if Allan was coming to our house. All this made me wonder about eventually bringing home some guy to live with us. Though honestly I can't wrap my head around integrating another man into our life beyond some guy coming to Playland with us.
But I know it happens. I know that somehow women work this out in their lives. And since I learn so fast from stories, could people write stories in the comments section about how they introduced a step-parent successfully?
5. Be honest. If you are shady about your divorce people will think you're shady about everything.
It would be so fake to tell you that I'm not worried. I'm very worried.
I'm worried that I'll never fall in love. That's normal, right? I mean, I know it's normal if you are fifteen and get dumped, so it must be true now, too.
I'm also worried about money. How does anyone separate their career from their divorce? A divorce comes with a promise to earn a certain amount of money. All the things I've done in my life to insure that I have flexibility to do whatever career I want could be going down the tubes. I'm very scared about that.
I also worry that you are only reading this stuff because I'm a train wreck. People like reading about other peoples' divorces because they feel better about keeping their own marriage together. So, okay. I hope I can make some of you feel smug today, because sometimes I write posts and I'm the one feeling smug. We should all get our chance.







Penelope:
You are so delightful and wonderfully honest, I'd be your boyfriend without a thought. Ha! Although Im unemployed (self employed, underemployed) and threw a valley career down the toilet for speaking my mind…and live in a one room craphole….
You are a beacon for the independent thinker – and for my part, and my two short marriages that I fully take my fair share of responsibility for kiboshing….you keep it up…..don't doubt yourself for a minute. There ain't another like you.
Posted by Alan Wilensky on 05/22/2008 at 09:01am | permalink | Reply to this comment
my parents divorced when i was 16. it was hard, but i wish they had been as honest with themselves as they thought they were being with me. of course this is age appropriate advice and i know that you have discernment regarding your child.
as far as the train wreck stuff goes, no, i dont come for the preceived train wreck. i come because i think you try to walk your life out as messy as it gets at times. and though this might seem odd or strange to you or the fellow readers, i do pray for you, nino and your kid.
Posted by matt on 05/22/2008 at 09:01am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I don't feel smug but you did make me laugh–hope that is ok. I also hope at least part of the time you are laughing with me!
Best of Luck!
Posted by Katybeth on 05/22/2008 at 09:05am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
I enjoy when you post about your divorce because part of what I enjoy about you as a blogger is that you don't pretend that you aren't also a person with a personal life. And you do your best to incorporate your personal experiences into your articles in a legitimate way. In a way, it increases your credibility and authority.
Good luck with your divorce. Just keep doing what you're doing, and don't focus so much on finding "the next one"–focus on completing your divorce and working on your company first.
Posted by Anna on 05/22/2008 at 09:07am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Be Honest? When are you going to start?
Definition of a train wreck: Introducing your kids to your lawyer. Dating before you can even remember to say "ex husband". Placing your future before the future of your children.
Posted by Kim on 05/22/2008 at 09:22am | permalink | Reply to this comment
It took 3 years for my divorce to be final. Those closest to my at work knew about the divorce, and they were very supportive. But even with their support, I still managed to screw alot of things up. Thank goodness I'm not a surgeon! By the time the divorce was final, I felt I could be fired anyday. Now, alot of that was in my head; apparently my errors were not earthshaking, but that didn't stop me from feeling like a walking talking imposter. I wanted advice on how to manage career and divorce, and I never found it until I came upon your blog. Thank you for sharing. It really does get better.
Posted by beckie on 05/22/2008 at 09:23am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Don't come for the train wreck, just the honesty. Thank you for sharing. I hope everything works out for all of you.
Posted by Jacqueline Carly on 05/22/2008 at 09:27am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Brava. Go deliberately and with curiosity, not perfectly. My divorce was declared final two weeks ago, narrowly missing a full trial. I spent 3 of the past 7 months in hiding, while running a business. Yesterday a client said, "I had no idea all that was going on in your life". I was relieved to not have to hold up the facade any longer. Life and work intersect and somehow we have to run them both even when they get messy. Smug people should watch out…chances are they'll get their chance to test their theory in more vivid color than they may have intended.
Posted by Tia on 05/22/2008 at 09:32am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I read because I like watching people walk through the difficult things in life with grace, dignity and poise. I haven't been there (yet), but I'd like to know that if/when, I'll have watched someone else make it out OK. You'll make it.
This is really cheesy, but when I am afraid I won't find love, I ask God/Yahweh/Allah/the universe to prepare my mate as He/She/It prepares me. A good friend used to tell me that you can't bake the cake until you take the mix out of the box. So, I focus on me. Just like you are.
Posted by Holly Hoffman on 05/22/2008 at 09:40am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hmmm… having a strange man around all the time, calling Mom, her going to meet him WITHOUT the kids…
or introducing him to your kids as your friend Alan, and going to McDonald's, and acting like it's nothing out of the ordinary.
The first one isn't suspicious at all, won't cause the kids to talk about it with their friends or feel insecure… and the second one is worth of reproach?
Be real.
If she was a man and already dating all the guys would be in here cheering him on. This marriage was over a long time ago. Mentally she's halfway ready to date. The other half is going to take a very, very long time. And some people think about EVERYTHING in a situation.
How dare you think about anything but your children??????? BAD MOM. I'm being facetious. But worrying about how you feel and how you'll manage your career is ultimately how you're going to support your children and if you feel secure about it, they will feel secure about it.
Divorce is messy and embarrassing and difficult and anyone who hasn't been through it needs to take a big step back from the judgement soapbox.
Posted by coyote on 05/22/2008 at 09:43am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Front page of the New York Times? Please… If I remember correctly, a tiny picture was on the article, and maybe two short paragraphs at the end of the article were about you. And, it was NOT the front page. Don't get ahead of yourself…
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Yikes! I always know I'll face a tough crowd here, but I never know quite where the discussion will head. But even though your angle is unexpected, you're right about the article. So I changed some prepositions up at the top of the post so I don't upset the hyperbole police.
Penelope
Posted by Jonathan S on 05/22/2008 at 09:46am | permalink | Reply to this comment
You're right to worry about money. Certain decisions in divorce (alimony, child support) are predicated on the assumption of a certain level of income. Once these are established in the divorce settlement, they are hard to change, and often require a court action to change. This will reduce your flexibility in your career, e.g. it will make it much more difficult to take time off, or to take a big pay cut to pursue a different line of work or an entrepreneurial activity, etc. Bottom line is this: divorce is expensive and disruptive to all aspects of your life, and should be avoided if at all possible.
Posted by Andy on 05/22/2008 at 09:53am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hang in there Penelope. I went thru absolutely all of this last year. It gets better…you start to figure it out…clarity remains elusive but it does strike at strange moments and those keep me going. Thanks for the honesty!
Posted by Lucy on 05/22/2008 at 09:58am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I don't read your blogs because you are a train wreck. I read your columns because your blogs give a healthy perspective of a woman in the "real" world…attempting to balance work and life.
Thank you for your transparency!
Posted by Deneen on 05/22/2008 at 10:05am | permalink | Reply to this comment
oh penelope, I love my crazy roommate from college. Smugness has nothing to do with it.
ps your husband's name is Nino? That's like finding out Big is "John".
Posted by Laura on 05/22/2008 at 10:09am | permalink | Reply to this comment
You're going to become a completely different person over the next few years. Your wants and needs are going to change, as will your perspective on divorce. I don't find it remotely strange that you can't imagine falling in love, that dating is weird, or any of that other stuff. I can't promise that you won't wind up hopelessly "broken" from the process through which you're currently going, but don't assume too much. As I suggested yesterday, the book 'Stumbling on Happiness' teaches us that our vision of the future is clouded by what we think and feel today, since we cannot possibly know what we will think and feel in the future. It's somewhat counterintuitive, but it also makes perfect sense.
Posted by tinyhands on 05/22/2008 at 10:11am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope
A wonderful blog. Really. I've already forwarded link after link here to many people I care about.
You're clearly speaking to that intersection of work and life in a way that informs and resonates. What a unique voice you have! And your topic selection….so relevant. Good luck in continuing to grow and refine your voice and this site.
Mixing in this highly personal element adds real context, but it also feels like a fine line to walk in not having the blog become strictly personal. I'm sure you're thoughtful about balancing that intersection.
Anyway as a long time Madisonian I will take some umbrage with the sorta cheap shot in the first point. Perhaps you meant it sarcastically, but I also sense some pain there too.
How much, if any, did your move to this new place challenge this relationship?
Posted by Rcket on 05/22/2008 at 10:13am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm an idiot.
Posted by Duncan W. on 05/22/2008 at 10:19am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I still love you, Penelope.
Posted by Jonathan S on 05/22/2008 at 10:20am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Unfortunately your lawyer doesn't subscribe to your statement that "In my heart of hearts I still believe the most important thing is to be nice." What would Nino say to this? Are you really being honest? Or are you only concerned about finding sex, a date, a fresh bikini wax, and another box of chocolate covered fruit? You're hardly being consistent P. Which is the real you?
Posted by Kim on 05/22/2008 at 10:29am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Divorce can never be a good thing – and there is no playing around it. Unfortunately, the west has come "adore" divorce so much that even if your partner drops a pin the wrong way, the other is running off for a divorce. It is a shame! There is only one reason why a divorce should be "tolerated", where infidelity is the factor. Even in this case, to forgive is divine. This mindset will save so many families if American and the rest of the west for that matter will get it into their heads.
Posted by Nii on 05/22/2008 at 10:46am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
Blogs have been found to be very therapeutic and have helped many people get through the “dark times” because they provide an outlet for thoughts, require personal reflection and allow others to give a fresh perspective on a person’s underlying motives and challenge their rationalizations. Conclusion: blogs have been proven to be effective therapy tool. I can find the articles if you like.
However, lawyers work best when you stay out of their way (and not feed your adversaries) and let them do their job. Having only read you blog for a couple of weeks, it is pretty obvious you are a type that follows your heart. You’ll figure out which course of action is best.
On stealing assets: Having gone through a nasty probate, your ex’s unfounded fears can be expected. He probably doesn’t feel in control of this adversarial situation (in his mind for sure) and by creating a stink he is attempting to assert it. As far as dividing assets: studies have shown that most people think that they are fair and honest and will split things “down the middle”. Truth is a most people believe this but feel their fair share is 60-75% and a split “down the middle” should favor them by at least 10%. The best thing you can do in this situation is to be firm and keep an eye on his underlying motivations.
As far his refusal to use “Penelope”, it is once again a way for him to feel in control of the situation. (As might be your insistence he uses it.) If it is very important to you, be firm and clear in your assertion. For divorce purposes it might be a small point that distracts from the bigger issues. That is for you to decide.
Keeping a sense of humor is very important. It often diffuses the tension and allows an opening to reach a mutual understanding. Good point.
Time management and a clear perspective are important. In stressful life transitions it is always important not to try to rush through to get to the next step. While you may be thinking of eventually integrating a new man into you life, there is no reason to feel you have to be ready to do it at this time. This might be best thought of as a “future project” and time spent pondering such actions be spent on other things.
"I’m worried that I’ll never fall in love. That’s normal, right? I mean, I know it’s normal if you are fifteen and get dumped, so it must be true now, too."
Yes it is very normal to have moments of doubt. The good news is that it is also silly. You have a lot going for you and on top of it you have enough common sense to know that true love, like anything worth while, takes time. My recommendation is not to rush to find the next best thing.
"I’m also worried about money."
"Don’t worry about money, it’ll show up."
-Alaskan Proverb
The biggest fear of not having money is the fear of not having money. Having grown up in the scarcity of the 70s and 80s and often being hungry as a child, not having money was a scary prospect. I, like you, made sure throughout my life I’ve had enough funds insure flexibility and security, but it wasn’t until I willingly took the risk to pursue my dreams regardless of money that I learned that if you have an ounce of brain power, you’ll do just fine. Another important thing to remember friends are more valuable than money. If times ever get so bad, friends will step in and help out. Penelope: You are smart and resilient. While times might get tough from time to time, you will always do just fine. This I guarantee.
"I also worry that you are only reading this stuff because I’m a train wreck."
Honestly, I do not believe you are a train wreck. Nearly everyone goes through personal crisis and loss of faith in one’s abilities during their lifetime. This is a real, quite normal and nothing to be ashamed of. One positive note is that many people have been through this and are willing to help you. You will be a stronger, wiser and more compassionate person because of this. Good things to look forward to.
-Charles
Posted by Charles on 05/22/2008 at 10:58am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I'm amazed at the vitriol expressed in some of the comments – get a life, people.
I'm reading your blog because you offer practical advice and insight. The divorce aspect is a bonus, as I'm one year away from discovering my (now ex) husband's infidelity. Penelope, you're doing fine, you're experiencing "normal," and I am impressed by your openness about what most people hide away from public view. You'll be fine, even if it doesn't always seem like it now.
When you're ready to contemplate falling in love again, you might consider reading Mira Kirshenbaum's "Is He Mr. Right?" Despite the cheesy title, the book is a useful distillation of what to look for and what to run away from in new relationships. Had I read it six years ago, I would have spared myself the last year. I am happier now, though, then I was before the affair started – this is a great time to focus on what you and your son need and then go for it.
Posted by Maria on 05/22/2008 at 11:06am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I find it interesting that so many people have judgments to make, to tell you what you are doing right and what you are doing wrong. I'd imagine that many of the people still flogging you for getting a divorce, or spewing about how you don't care about your children have no basis from which to understand the situation at all.
So many people go on about how divorce is BAD, but never stop to consider why marriage is GOOD and WHY it should be upheld no matter what.
With regard to your worries, my own personal experience says that those things work themselves out, and that spending time looking for love/relationships/etc usually ends up in finding more of the same mistakes. At some point it becomes about "flow" – doing what feels right at the time, damn all the critics. To me, you seem to have a love-hate relationship with flow.
I blogged about divorce, including your impending divorce and people's common "judgments" on divorce, on my blog. http://exponential.steelbuddha.net/2008/04/07/divorce-common-bad-adviceassumptions/
Posted by Lane on 05/22/2008 at 11:07am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Not to tell someone else's stories, but this is really about *a friend* of mine. She was the super success story of all my friends — super hardworking, earned her PhD while working f/t and playing in a rock band! Met her future husband when she was 24; married at 30, two adorable boys.
Now, to 2004: she strikes up a casual email exchange with an old friend that quickly morphs into a passionate affair. She's on the east coast, he's in Chicago. Within the span of a year, she gets divorced, finds a fab job and home in Chicago and moves to be close to him. Problem is, he's still with his wife… and they just had another child…
…but bless her, she finally figures out that he's a heel, and starts to rewrite the story. Not "I took a bomb to my old life, and this guy dumps me", but rather "I was brought to Chicago for another reason." Find a lovely mensch, he is a doll, he took care of her after she suffered a serious injury, loves the boys, and this weekend I just attended their wedding. She's calmer than I've ever seen her, and it seems like she's found her true home.
So it can work out, it can!! Two words: J Date. : )
Posted by Margaret W on 05/22/2008 at 11:09am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I enjoy every moment of your blog. When you are going through something like this, it absolutely affects your work, whether you are a blogger, an exec or a postal clerk. This is the ultimate example of the 'intersection of work and life'. If I make it thru the day without throwing up or crying quietly in a bathroom stall, I consider it an accomplishment. Trust me, your situation is good compared to others. At least you have the money to pay for the best lawyers, even if they are only the best in little Madison, Wisconsin.
Posted by prklypr on 05/22/2008 at 11:13am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I've been through it all and come out the other side (and went through all the stages of hell on the way) and am now pretty pleased with how things are- 4 years on so far. That's nothing for a total life change- the time it takes to get a college degree. And life is much much better now, but different, and some of the differences themselves can feel worse. Both financially and in terms of your kids' welfare, you feel tied to someone you'd prefer not to be so closely related to. And you really are. I spent a lot of time this week discussing one of my kids, who is having a bad week, with my ex- because I want him to do what I think best, of course, and the fact he won't makes me feel totally powerless because in their house I have no say at all. Then there are the times when everything seems perfect, and I'm really grateful about it.
My kids also adore their step-dad, and they did meet him very early on and were positive from the start because they were still quite young, and he befriended them. An older child will be happy for their parent to have a partner, but a younger one will be happy to have a new adult playmate. If the guy is not going to be their sports buddy or whatever, go slower so it's not a big deal.
(I don't know how you put up with some of the comments here, if it was my blog they'd be deleted and banned for rudeness. That's why I only have about 4 readers I guess :) )
Posted by Alice Bachini-Smith on 05/22/2008 at 11:33am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Take it from personal experience. The younger the children, the easier it will be for them to adapt.
My parents divorced when I was 18 months old. I'm now 42. In Illinois my parents were one of the first to have Joint Custody of me. I was an only child between them.
The marriage was doomed from the start.
I spent my childhood living with Mom and visiting Dad on weekends. My Dad remarried when I was 6, and he and my Step-Mom have been together ever since. In fact their anniversary is this week.
I never knew what it was like to live as a normal family. This nomadic life was my "Normal." It forced me to become more independent.
I lived with Mom until the end of Jr. High. Then I was sent to live with my Dad & Step-Mom. That was a huge adjustment to go through your teen years while living in a new house. I had to make new friends all over again as well as integrate with my 1/2 sister & 1/2 brother.
My Step-Mom could've said no. But she welcomed me, although i still had that "You're not my Mom." attitude. Her entire family accepted me as their own. Her parents became an extra set of Grandparents, her Brothers and Sister and their kids became uncles, aunts and cousins. To be honest her family accepted me as one of their own even before I moved in with them.
But it was not easy. Being a teen can be very difficult in addition to having to live in a new environment.
I stayed there until 1/2 way through JR. College then moved back with my Mom until I went to away to finish my Bachelors.
When I was in High School, I was in a Drum & Bugle Corps. We traveled all over and were gone every weekend during the summer. My Mom came with on a lot of my trips.
When I finally went away to school, I never had the homesickness that others had, I was used to being away and being nomadic.
I think that is why being a consultant fits me so well. And I think that is why my Wife's job of her traveling 100% every week is not as bad as it could be as a husband. I guess I married what I am used to.
My advice is this. Now that your husband is moving on, your kids are your #1 focus. Feel free to date (You're only human), but I highly suggest that you do not get remarried until the kids are out of the house. No one said it would be easy, but you and your husband made this decision and have to live with the consequences.
I was lucky. I have a fantastic Step-Mom, although it took me decades to come to that realization. I love my Step-Mom and in public she introduces me as her son to others along with her two kids.
This was my Step-Mom's first marriage and my Dad would take me on dates with them (Cubs Games, etc). My Step-Mom has known me longer than her own children.
My Real Mom never remarried. But that is OK. She dated and several of her boyfriends I actually wanted her to marry. But as a kid, I would get extremely jealous when she went out on a date. Some of the men, I came to like, but that is another extra burden a child takes on.
They just know that someone is stealing time away from you and them.
My situation is not perfect, I am extremely lucky. But please consider your relationship choices very carefully and how that impacts your kids.
Posted by Jim Eiden on 05/22/2008 at 11:34am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Your blog reads like the life journal that it is. Someday, you'll collect all the posts and some of the comments and put them in a best selling book!
As for divorce, better times are ahead. I know from experience. And I will look forward to reading your posts about some of the crazies out there when you begin dating!
your Twitter Buddy,
Bob Beardsley
Posted by Bob Beardsley on 05/22/2008 at 11:56am | permalink | Reply to this comment
As someone who is currently in the middle of a divorce (and trying desperately to sort MY goals from ones I developed while married)I found your post very refreshing.
It's hard to keep my mind on the career development I have been perusing while also walking through the minefield that a breakup tends to mirror…I wish you the very best of luck and I will keep reading for your insight and honesty!
Posted by Kaya on 05/22/2008 at 11:59am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Think of my reading as a way of offering support from 2100 miles away. You've got great goals set for yourself while going through this. Sounds like you're recognizing that 'this is your life' instead of just 'hanging in there.' I see a book on 'how to live life through a divorce' in the future. ;P
And don't be afraid to be YOU, whoever that may be. I think you've owned being PT well and it's who you are!
Posted by karen on 05/22/2008 at 12:22pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
About the things he says under his breath and fear of stealing assets, I went through this over 5 years as we tried to work out a financial settlement. I had been the primary breadwinner. He would not talk to me about specifics, but would drop little verbal bombs to the kids who would (as expected) pass them on to me. He began to feel less scared about being left in poverty when he learned he could draw Social Security based on my earnings rather than his. He really wanted to keep the house and that was fine with me. It worked best for our lawyers to talk these things out. Good luck.
Posted by Barbara on 05/22/2008 at 12:25pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
What I LOVE about your blog IS that it is honest and authentic – life is messy and it would not be interesting any other way (consider this a mantra)! A train wreck? No more so than any other one of us – you are living a full life and that is what makes it valuable – to live, experience and share it with others.
Carry on!
Posted by Becky on 05/22/2008 at 12:45pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hi Penelope,
I haven't been able to blog about my impending divorce yet. I've been an open book on other big things in my life (breast cancer, reconstruction, etc) but haven't gone there.
Fortunately we don't have kids, and he's out of state already, but it is H A R D ! ! ! Dating is really H A R D too. I was so lonely in my marriage I am looking for companionship and a playmate right now, not a husband. It's just hard to find someone you click with….and puh-lease people, drop the judgemental crap….unless you've walked in someone elses shoes, don't go there.
Take care, Barb
Posted by Barb Moran on 05/22/2008 at 01:02pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I don't see anything wrong with introducing your kids to your lawyer. They are going through the divorce too in their own way. The less they feel you are hiding from them the more secure they will feel.
Posted by leslie on 05/22/2008 at 01:03pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope-
We all read your blog because you are brilliant and bold. It takes a lot of courage to air your dirty laundry, so to speak, and express doubt about how well you're doing. I went though the same experience not too long ago (sans kids, however). It's a scary time, to be sure, and the ambiguity about how life will shape up in the future is paralyzing at times. What doesn't kill you will make you stronger (cliche, yes, but also very true).
I've recently read "Brazen Careerist". One of the things you said I actually repeat to myself: "If you never switch careers, never risk being a beginner, never bet on yourself, you will put your career in a coma". I think the same holds true for relationships and that you will land securely on your feet, happier than before. I'm not happy in my current career and I really think that having broken up with my Ex-husband that I am much better prepared to break up with a job that I'm not so fond of.
Thanks for all of the insightfullness you share with us and stay authentic!
Posted by Amber on 05/22/2008 at 01:16pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I think you're great! Love the authenticity.
Posted by Jen Jacobs on 05/22/2008 at 01:31pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Why did you get a divorce?
Posted by Kim on 06/26/2009 at 12:17pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Divorce is not evil. There is no moral failing in figuring out that you and your partner are incompatible to the point that staying together would do you and your children irreperable harm – even if it is only to the psyche.
I've been through a divorce. And I came out on the other side a much wiser person. I did nt have children with my former husband, but even if I had, it woulnd not have been in either of our best interests to prolong the marriage simply because marriage is "good" and divorce is "bad".
I am married now to a wonderful person, and we have two children. I am a much better wife to my dearest hubby than I would have been had I not tried so hard to fight for the first marriage. Eventually you figure out what is worth dealing with, and what is unacceptable.
Most women try so hard to make it work, and they'll do everything they can to make it work…until they just can't do it anymore. When you're done, you're done.
Posted by B on 05/22/2008 at 01:47pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
I think children pay the price for divorce. We as adults pay while we're stuck in a soured marriage, but kids end up paying for a long time after that.
OK, even though I believe that, I also know that you must do what is right for you, so that you have your needs met and have more to give to your children.
I divorced the first time with two children under 5 and remarried about 18 months after the physical separation. My second husband met my kids right away and instantly became a stabilizing force for me, a very young mom, and for them. After a year of marriage, he adopted them and we went on to have our daughter.
The 2nd marriage fell apart for many reasons, including infidelity, but what became the problem in the divorce was that what attracted me to him in the first place changed from something positive to negative.
His "stabilizing" became "obsessing" and "controlling". (Imagine going on a date AFTER the divorce has been final for months and coming home to YOUR apartment to find your ex sitting on your sofa at 2am, having sent the babysitter home.)
After 5 years, I remarried and had two more beautiful children, so love does come again. Apparently I'm considered marriage worthy, even with kids and baggage, so believe that it will come for you if you desire it.
My advice based on my experiences: dating soon is OK, but hopping into a serious relationship without allowing yourself space and time first, isn't the best idea.
I think of relationships as fabric. You have your fabric, he has his, and you weave them together into a family. Divorce is like tearing your fabric apart from his, and there are many frayed ends. Take the time to weave your ends back in, so that you have a complete fabric (self) again, and then choose a man who has also repaired his own fabric before you try to weave them together. Otherwise, you'll keep having loose threads that will eventually unravel and weaken the fabric (relationship). Hokey, but the imagery helps me understand what I will have to do if I ever find myself single again.
One more thing, my sister-in-law once told me that the thing you have your first major fight about will be something you continue to deal with throughout the relationship. So far, that has been very true for me.
Hang in there–you are an amazing person and worthy of having the life you desire.
Posted by kristi on 05/22/2008 at 01:55pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I stayed in a long marriage–18 years–for a lot of reasons: for our daughter; because I was afraid to strike out alone again in my mid-40s; because it was easier to deal with what I knew, even though it was unpleasant, than to face the unknown; because I had promised "forever" and really meant it, until I couldn't do it anymore. I know how hard it is to come to that decision finally to divorce.
Then after I divorced, I had a handful of the same crowd that seems to be in here telling me that I shouldn't date, that my daughter needed to be my priority. My daughter has ALWAYS been my priority. But sacrificing myself as a woman didn't strike me as a healthy way to display her importance in my life. I had been in a loveless, sexless marriage for so long that I had lost all confidence in my attractiveness, my sexuality, my intelligence: I honestly didn't know whether any guy that I thought was worth spending time with would find me worth his time. But I had been so lonely for so long that I wanted to find out. Not dating seemed more like a cop out than good parenting.
I did date, and made lots of mistakes along the way. It was in fact kind of fun, because my daughter was in her teens, and she was starting to date, too, and we wound up comparing stories and analyzing each other's relationships and feeling sometimes more like roommates than a parent and child. And yet she knew that she could count on me–that I paid the bills, and made sure she had tutoring or gymnastics lessons or whatever else was important to her (with very little assistance from her father, whose court-ordered child support was based on the part-time liquor store clerk job he had when we were married; stunning how quickly after our divorce that he was able to find a full-time job paying as much as mine, yet could still afford only $250 a month to help with our daughter's expenses. But I digress….).
What I meant to say here was that you will discover what path is right for you as you wander this meandering road from divorce to freedom. You know in your heart that your children are most important, and you will look after them. But that doesn't mean that you need to sacrifice your own possibilities of happiness, in career or romance or adventure, along the way. These are mutually attainable. And yes, you'll make mistakes; and sometimes be inconsistent (even here in your blog–quelle horreure!)–and all these aspects of you, despite those of your readers with nothing better to do than to point out your flaws (probably never bothering with enough self-examination to discover and work on their own), are what make you the charming, insightful and unique woman you are.
I'm one of your relatively new fans, and so we don't really know each other yet, but Penelope, you will be just fine. You are making good choices. Your children will have questions and moments of sadness or fear, of course, but as long as you maintain loving respectfulness and honesty with them, they'll be fine, too.
I wish you great happiness.
Posted by Joan in Alaska on 05/22/2008 at 02:22pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
From a child-of-divorce perspective: ignore the people here who say or think that you should stay together for the sake of the kids. My mother left my abusive and addicted "Bio-Dad" when I was an infant and my brother was 7 yo. Six years later, she married my wonderful step-father who raised us as his own. He was (and still is) a fantastic father, but their marriage was toxic – full of arguing and sniping. When my mom announced that they were getting divorced (when I was 28), my response to her was "finally." I truly believe my aversion to marriage has a ton to do with the fact that, in my experience, marriages are full of fighting, fighting, fighting.
Now my brother, who is currently in the middle of a divorce of his own, has learned from the experiences of our youth and is doing what I think are fairly admirable steps with his kids. He and his wife are actively working on staying on friendly terms with each other through the divorce process. But, they are not sheltering the kids, either. He took the kids along to help him find a new apartment when he moved out of the house (so the kids would have some say on where Dad lived and where they would be staying part-time), they ask questions about the divorce and what their life will be like afterwards all the time (and get truthful, non-BS answers from their parents)…. I don't know if either of the kids have ever met the lawyers, but their parents certainly don't keep the kids away from the phones when the lawyers call. The transparency has allowed the kids to understand as much as they can about the process so that they can get their fears addressed and get on with their kid lives.
I think what's best for kids is to have two happy, stable parents — divorce or no divorce. Beats the hell out of all the arguing and back-room drama that happens in families when parents think they are "saving their marriage to protect the kids."
Posted by Jennifer on 05/22/2008 at 02:33pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
P or A Your transperency is just your way of sorting out problems. With life there is no grantee that you will be happy just that you will get the chance to wake to a new day and start over. My advice, take it and run!
Oh yes! I didn't know about the name but if I find out that is not realy you in the picture. I am going to delete you from my "Favorites"
Posted by Ken on 05/22/2008 at 03:54pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Can you publish the details of your husband's twitter and facebook page? This is great stuff; a regular soap opera, and I'd love to see more.
Thanks.
Posted by Drew on 05/22/2008 at 03:59pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
1. Sitting around with your soon-to-be-ex-husband at a campsite talking about hatchets. Did neither of make the joke about burying it?
2. Why, especially if you are worried about money, do you both need expensive attorneys? Why do you need lawyers at all? Sure you need a neutral mediator to help you divide up the assets fairly? (In some countries you can get one appointed by the court and it's legally binding).
Posted by Caitlin on 05/22/2008 at 06:27pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
As an attorney, it is a continual struggle to get many clients to set aside their need to purge and seek approval by discussing their case/situation with anyone willing to listen. I certainly take advantage of it when the other side does it.
If you're going to pay for high-priced lawyers, for God's sake follow their advice. If I represented your husband, I would have a field day with your blog. If I represented you, I would probably fire you as my client.
Perhaps demonstrating restraint and knowing when not to speak might set a better example for your readers as well. They don't need the soap opera as much as you need to protect your personal and financial affairs.
Posted by Rob on 05/22/2008 at 07:23pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
We come for your forthright honesty. Marriage is the toughest thing in the world, probably second only to raising kids. I admire your willingness to share your experience with the blogosphere and face the criticism you receive constantly.
Posted by Priscilla on 05/22/2008 at 08:01pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
P.S. Is it SO fun getting unsolicited advice from complete strangers? :)
Posted by Priscilla on 05/22/2008 at 08:02pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I don't know anyone that was able to totally separate their divorce from their work-life. People wouldn't expect a co-worker who was diagnosed with a major illness to act as if nothing happened. The same holds true for divorces which are one of the most traumatic personal events a person can endure.
Conversely, managing the logistics of a divorce like a business seems to pay off. I know it is hard eliminate the emotion, but as a good friend told me – remember you are in the middle of one of the biggest business transactions of your life.
You will endure and thrive!
Jessica Bond
Medical Careerist
Posted by Jessica Bond on 05/22/2008 at 08:53pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Ripping on your home town, very classy!
Posted by John on 05/22/2008 at 10:32pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Just have to note something here… the majority of those commenting against your choice to share this trying time in you life are men…:) I'm curious if this is an automatic defense of another male or an issue of different communication styles?
Posted by KC on 05/22/2008 at 10:42pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
KC: I'd guess it's not an automatic defense of another guy. It's a reaction to something that strikes most men as a little odd. It is definitely a gal thing to talk about personal feelings with others. Men do that much less than women do.
Posted by Jim C. on 05/22/2008 at 11:00pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, I read this blog because you are honest and smart and I like the way you think about life. Not because I feel better about myself because you feel bad about yourself. Stick with it and you'll make it through.
Posted by Irina on 05/22/2008 at 11:01pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
K.C. It's because men don't understand the need to do so. It is very odd. It serves no real purpose — the need for constant validation and affirmation are, generally speaking, not required to meet an objective. Penelope knows this. She just can't help herself.
Posted by Rob on 05/22/2008 at 11:13pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I don't get the part about a divorce coming with a certain promise to earn money. Is that a typo? Careers come with a certain promise to earn money but not divorces…?
Posted by melanie gao on 05/23/2008 at 12:56am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Here's my advice: Be sure to speak with a therapist/coach on a regular (weekly?) basis. I imagine there are a lot of thoughts running through your head and you can't necessarily express them to Nino, kids, friends, etc. Perhaps, blogging does for you what a coach/therapist does for others. Having gone through a lot in the past year, looking back, it would have been helpful to have one objective person, who watches for changes in your thoughts/behaviors and keeps an eye on you.
Good luck to you, Nino and your kids!
Posted by start breathing on 05/23/2008 at 02:20am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
May I call you Penelope? j/k.
I'm a new reader from the past week, but you've become a daily page for me. I landed on a different page, but this post compels me to comment. I'll share my experience, for what its worth.
I, too, as many other readers, have been through a divorce. It was finalized April 2006 and I've never been happier. We share a child together 50/50 and I'm currently incommunicado with my step daughter.
I haven't dated much at all and I have little interest in doing so. One of the reasons for that has been my considering what are my hard and soft non-negotiables for dating. For example, I've already been a step-parent and I'm not interested in doing that again, thus I won't date people with under age children (most of our generation at this time). That being said, I have many friends that are very close, all together satisfying many needs of emotional intimacy.
I've learned an incredible amount about boundaries and I've been able to apply them in all aspects of my life. I've also been able to convey them to my daughter, something I wasn't able to do with my step-daughter. Learning about boundaries was initially essential because of the difficulties in communication with my ex, but they've become so much more.
I've gained so much self respect and respect for others that my insecurities from the past have disappeared. I'm clear that I'm leading a life of principle and responsibility that goes much deeper than ever before in my life.
After taking classes (Parent's Turn and Kid's Turn) here in San Diego, I learned about my child's rights and honoring those has made co-parenting academic. My relation with my daughter is incredible and getting better every day. I've become so available as a parent, more so than I ever thought possible.
I spent my nest egg on lawyers (amongst other things) and yet the trial is still not over. I've learned through hindsight about choosing those types of financial battles. This one was not worth it, but I gained another invaluable lesson.
I've had many chances to practice discernment in all areas including who to introduce into my life, when and how. This applies to all my relationships.
All of these changes became possible due to the catalyst of divorce. I've gained clarity in every aspect of life, work included. I'm grateful every day for how my life has turned out.
I hope you have a sense of faith in things. My definition of faith has clarified as well and its rock solid. I always have something to fall back on.
Lastly, and I think this is the only suggestion I'm making, consider what you're grateful for today. Regardless of what's going on today, we're not in Myanmar, and we're not in Sichuan.
I'm honored that you would share so much of your life with me and I offer my support in kind. I wish you peace and commit to reminding you whenever you need that this too shall pass and everything will work out. I imagine things will be much greater than you can even imagine at this time, but I imagine you won't see it coming like you expect. Thus, have faith!
Posted by Burt on 05/23/2008 at 03:08am | permalink | Reply to this comment
To Rob, the lawyer who wonders why Penelope pays for expensive lawyers, then ignores their advice. Count the comments on this and other personal posts. Then compare to the counts on her standard posts.
Traffic is the currency of the net, baby.
* * * * *
Here's a lesson in building traffic: It's all about who is linking to you. And I get way more traffic for the straight career advice, because the biggest blogs are about business and productivity. Only a very few big web sites could possibly link to a post about my divorce.
–Penelope
Posted by Dan on 05/23/2008 at 06:26am | permalink | Reply to this comment
P.
My ex and I were divorced in 2002, and we had it mediated. We knew exactly what we wanted, and it was a breeze. We signed all the papers, then went and had lunch together. (It was our 10th anniversary – it was the least I could do..)
We're both MUCH happier people now. She's remarried to a fantastic guy. My 13-year old son Noah loves his step-dad, and Tim's son fron his first marriage has become Noah's older brother. My ex is now actively trying to fix me up with a girlfriend of hers. Noah is growing up happy and healthy with two great male role models in his life. It's not a bad situation at all!
At the other end of the spectrum: my parents were married for 38 years before my dad passed away in 1996. They barely spoke for the last 16 of those years. The tension, hostility, and anger in that household was so tough to deal with, that I basically left at 18 and never looked back. Only recently have I rekindled some semblance of a relationship with my Mom.
I ask your readers: which situation is worse?
Paul in DC
NoazDad
Posted by Paul Horan on 05/23/2008 at 07:13am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I enjoy so much of your posts because of your honesty – because you are brazen. I started reading your blogs because I felt that you and I share many perspectives about work and career. We both have somewhat of a "get real" attitude about the whole thing.
This post touched me, and raised so many memories of my own experiences during my divorce. 11 years later, the pain has softened. It will for you too, I promise. I identify with so many of your thoughts, and also live my life as an open book (which lets us have deep connections with people but also opens us up to some nasty criticism!)
I really like what Charlie had to say in response to your post. He is a smart cookie.
Feedback from my heart, woman to woman: During this tough time, I hope you try to carry yourself in a way that will allow you to look back with pride. I so enjoy reading your perspectives and really value your honesty. But, sometimes I cringe when you use your blog and twitter as a vehicle for dating, flirtation, and portraying yourself as available for sex. It may annoy and offend readers who look to you for relevant insight, and it could hurt your image (I sense that you care about preserving your dignity…) It's almost like you're throwing a nice dinner party, graciously greeting your guests and showing decorum at the table with a bit of fun piss and vinegar in your personality, and then suddenly horrifying everyone by leaving the bathroom door open while you use the toilet. I'm sorry if this seems judgmental – I just truly care about helping women move onward and upward in society, and I think that our behavior directly links to success, respect, self worth, and ultimately self fulfillment.
Thanks for this post. It was honest and open and true. I wish happy things for you.
Posted by Michele on 05/23/2008 at 09:49am | permalink | Reply to this comment
My divorce was relatively painless and the impact on my worklife was minimal. But it was not effortless, I had to learn to compartmentalize the "working me" from the "getting divorced me". Everyone deals with the pain of divorce differently. Some train for marathons, some drink too much. Some obssess and stalk, some go to Vegas and gamble. My advice would be – choose your 'pain compartment' carefully, the place that you put those emotions define what kind of person you are.
Posted by Lloyd on 05/23/2008 at 10:04am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
Is it too retro to recommend a book? This is a keeper (and between my current husband and myself, we've been married five times, so I know the terrain).
The title gives a clue: "Crazy Time: Surviving Divorce," by Abigail Trafford. It's $11.20 on amazon.com, and may well be the best money you'll ever invest in this process. After I read it (in about one day) I not only understood my divorce, I finally understood my late marriage–in some ways, better than I had for 15 years.
I'm quite sure that you're going to be perfectly fine, incidentally, from the way you sound. "Insanity" and "divorce" are joined at the hip, though. Expect that and be kind to yourself, your kids, and you future ex whenever possible.
Posted by Arlene on 05/23/2008 at 10:47am | permalink | Reply to this comment
@michele – as I posted previously, I appreciate your candidness and honesty about your divorce. But I agree that the posts/tweets about flirting, dating, waxing, etc were a little too 'brazen' – might be good for careers, but not appropriate for something so intimate and personal, esp given your situation.
Posted by prklypr on 05/23/2008 at 11:15am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I must say I have some agreement with Michele.
If you think, Penelope, of yourself and this site as a brand (as I suspect you might)I'm struggling with how you're managing it right now.
One of the worst things that can happen with a brand is to change what the customer can expect of it, unexpectedly.
Customers will tolerate some of that, but boy, not much.
I know you're feeling pain and heartbreak and confusion. Sharing those things with others thru a medium like this is a wonderful thing.
But is this the place to be doing that?
Put another way: the tagline of your brand is "Advice at the intersection of work and life."
Is that still true?
Posted by Rcket on 05/23/2008 at 11:18am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
Train wreck? I think not… more like real person. Other people might have a negative perception of you in this regard because unlike every other person in the media, you are honest about yourself and your life. Society is so accustomed to people in the media "spinning" things, that we have become desensitized to real truth. I think most people treat the real truth like it is some disease that will kill them because nothing they are exposed to is real any more… all sanitized, non-offensive, kid-tested, mother-approved, drivel. Kudos to you and people like you for refusing to compromise on this point!!
Posted by Ed F. on 05/23/2008 at 11:29am | permalink | Reply to this comment
From what I hear lately, it seems like once a relationship (especially a marriage) starts to experience serious problems, the best thing to do is to end it, chalk it up to experience, and not do the same thing with your next partner.
My parents are a strange case…they used to bicker ALLLLLL the time (with a lot of tears on my mom's part), and then my dad went into semi-retirement, and everything changed. I have two hypotheses about this. Either a) he's not living his life on two hours of sleep anymore, b) he got older and less aggro as his testosterone count went down a little, c) his stress level decreased dramatically from having no kids in the house or d) some combination of all of these. Now their marriage is great, as far as I can tell.
Considering how many marriages I see fall apart or, in my parents case, how it takes 20 years of mudslinging and pain to make it to peace, I'm not sure I'm exactly stoked to get married. I know you'll find another person to love, but is marriage even a good investment these days?
Posted by Andrea on 05/23/2008 at 11:39am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Hm… as a newish reader, especially as one subscribed via email, I was surprised to see how personal and angry the comments on this entry were. Obviously we all bring some baggage with us and sometimes end up projecting it onto bloggers as much as anywhere else, but I wonder if the level of resistance and vitriol here has more to do with changing the brand, as Rcket suggested you were doing.
I don't know, maybe this percentage of personal and accusatory comments is normal around here. I think it's terrible boundaries to bitch someone out in their own blog, especially someone who's actually a stranger. But it happens. Sometimes.
Still, this is too much (for my taste anyway) and it seems to be a lot angrier in here than in the comments I've seen on your other posts so far. I wonder if some readers are feeling betrayed (subconsciously) because the rules seem (to them) to have changed, and that's making them snippier about stuff they might not agree with but might otherwise overlook.
Personally, I like the "life" stuff, and I don't find that this sets off any of my buttons, even though it may not all be how I would do it – and, as a new reader, I don't have many expectations set up yet. In fact, the "life" stuff is what piqued my interest in the blog. Well, not just the life stuff, but the clarity *and* transparency with which you write about everything.
Posted by Danica on 05/23/2008 at 12:55pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Divorce topics are slowly become excessive here.
Posted by may on 05/23/2008 at 01:36pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
@may – agree completely. We have passed the intersection of Work and Life and are now barrelling down the Divorce Highway at mach 10.
@Kim/Kristen/HeeHee,
As someone who has read all of your comments, both deleted ones and not, and recognized you as one and the same persona by your subject matter and level of anger, may I suggest this blog as a more appropriate place for you to share your frustrations…http://www.womansdivorce.com/divorce-blog.html
Posted by andrew on 05/23/2008 at 01:45pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
For those folks who don't appreciate P's tweets on sex and bikini waxes, I suggest you "unfollow" her on Twitter. It's a completely separate app, not her blog.
Quit mixing up the two. And don't dwell on the past, she did have Twitter on her blog, but it's gone now.
Posted by kristi on 05/23/2008 at 01:54pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
As I see it, Penelope was using this life-changing experience to draw parallels to how we deal with other aspects of our lives, especially work. I like that holistic point of view. It's those of us who were commenting that focused on divorce. Penelope used examples from her experience to give us insights into our lives generally. I like this approach; it is integrating. Let's look at what she really was saying: Surround yourself with smart people. Be consistent. Keep your sense of humor. Manage your time well. Be honest. How is this not the essence of crisis management? It's those of us who sympathize with the anguish of divorce who focused on that instead of the life-lessons she offered. This is a matter of OUR perspectives, not hers. She's still right there finding the nugget of truth in the midst of difficulty and offering us advice that carries well into ANY crisis: a layoff; a national tragedy; an environmental disaster; an Enron. Let's step back a little and see the gem she really gave us here.
Posted by Joan in Alaska on 05/23/2008 at 01:54pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
@kristi – yup, Twitter is gone from the blog and now I know why…I'm guessing someone other than us posters thought some of the subjects more appropriate for tweeting than blogging…
Posted by prklypr on 05/23/2008 at 02:03pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I feel your pain Penelope. Earlier this year, my wife returned from here tour in South Korea and told me she wanted a divorce. I found out through a little snooping (is it wrong to snoop?)that she had met a Canadian online playing World of Warcraft.
It has been 3 months since she got back, under Texas law , we can't file for divorce until 6 months after we moved here. Since I was a stay at home dad before we moved to texas, I had been out of regular full time work for 4 years. I decided that in the best intrest of me, and my 4 year old daughter, that I should go back to school. Now that I am back in school and working full time to save up for the cost of the divorce and moving out on my own, I realize how hard it's going to be trying to balance my school, my daughter, and my job.
The wife and I are trying to keep everything as cordial and friendly as possible considering the circumstances. We both realize that fighting isn't going to solve anything, and it's certainly not going to be healthy for our daughter. Sometimes I just feel like it's not going to work out the way we want it too.
All in all, It's a challenge. Balance is the key and finishing my schooling is the most important item on my list right now. Earning my degree will allow for me to provide for my daughter the way she wants, and deserves. It will also allow me to live my life the way I want to.
I'm also with you on the whole "Another Man" issue. I couldn't even fathom brining another woman into my life, although my wife has already brought another one into hers (even though we're not divorced yet).
Anyway, I wish you the best of luck. I hope everything works out for you.
John H
Posted by John H. on 05/23/2008 at 03:00pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Cost of Divorce: Divide your available money by the attorney’s hourly fee. You will come close. The attorneys will set up a payment plan for the balance due.
Learn from a Story: Read the Marriage Dissolution and Family Law from your state. The judge will use this law as the basic format for any settlement. Even if you have attorneys, read it to know what the law provides.
Negotiate: Divorce is not a sport to win. Everyone loses. Your relationship with your spouse is now a business deal with an emotionally charged past. Make a deal that you can accept for now. Kids get older. The terms and conditions of custody change and visitation change.
God bless you as you go through it.
Posted by Tom H on 05/23/2008 at 04:57pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope,
I love you, man. In a Bud Light sort of way. No, I don't think it's normal to wonder if you'll ever fall in love. It's normal to expect it. But to doubt is, I think, the more rational response. I wonder how many divorces have their genesis in people's convincing themselves that they're in love.
Yeah, there is that rubbernecking aspect to this whole thing, but don't hold it against us. That's the nature of story. Your life is a story and you have that rare gift of being a great story teller, and you demonstrate that every time you tie in seemingly unrelated parts of the story to convey your theme. The name usually associated with the term "trainwreck" these days is Britney. But if we use her as the standard for trainwreck, you've got to acknowledge that you're still on track, if suffering from a little loss of steam. And even then you're funny as hell.
Posted by Frank on 05/23/2008 at 07:53pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
P, thanks for having the guts to reveal your truths and insecurities, your beauty and fears. I've often thought how cool would it be if everyone got a free Ed Debevic's day, and got to say what they were really thinking.
Posted by Knows It in SP on 05/23/2008 at 09:14pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Train wreck? You are undergoing the crash of the Old 99. In technicolor.
Just take a look at 2008 so far – fired by Yahoo, dragged into a divorce. You may still be at the Boston Globe, but no recent columns are appearing on their website. I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that not all is peachy with the start up, if only because start ups are so intense on their own and all this extra personal intensity may be a bit much for the other team members.
Part of me reads your blog for the same reason I riffle through the tabloids at the supermarket checkout lines. Part of me wishes you weren't distracted by all this personal stuff, because I think this level of personal angst is not, overall, helping your writing on career topics. Divorce with kids is, after all, old people stuff. All this divorce and custody stuff just underscores how much closer you are to being the mom of a Gen Y worker than a Gen Y, which can't be good for your brand position.
It will be interesting to see where it ends up. You are a survivor, so I don't see you going down for the count. You will bounce back, personally, and professionally if need be. You may need some serious reinvention. You will still certainly have issues. But you will survive. It will be interesting to see how it all works itself out. I am just glad to be watching it, not living it.
Posted by Casey Jones on 05/23/2008 at 09:42pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
WOW, I am surprised about some of the negative comments on this posting. Some of them seem downright abrupt and judgemental.
I salute you, Penelope for going public with your feelings/thoughts about the divorce. Your voice is built on transparency and insight, and life trauma, although terribly painful, it only fosters it.
We live in a world with a blurring division between play and work. We work long, or different hours, location is not relevant. We think of work when we are home. We think of home when we are at work.
Why would we not accept and talk openly about how life changing situations (divorce) can impact our work and how to face it? It's unrealistic and silly to think they are not. And sharing information is a method of coping for some of us, and new readers like me enjoy and appreciate the openness and advice.
I am going to share a story…
I went to a business meeting a week ago and the person who we just met told us how his 30 year old sister was diagnosed with skin cancer. Initially she was told she had 1 year to live, then a few days before she was told she had only 14 days left. The story was shared in the beginning of the meeting, and at the end of the 2 hours the person got a call from his family announcing that his sister just died! This person could have been with his sister, at home or in the hospital, instead of having an initial business meeting that could have waited for sure, if we knew…
And his first reaction, after the call, was "let's finish the business meeting"! And I do not think he was not affected, but he thought he was expected to finish the meeting, to stick to business because this is what we are supposed to do …To separate work and life and not show that our personal life can at times impact us from all places, at work…???
We were speechless! Needless to say after that meeting we thought long of what's really important in life and how a lot of the times we make decisions that end up putting work ahead of our family or what we want.
Posted by Iuliana Calin on 05/25/2008 at 11:35pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penelope, one more thing, I am really sorry for what you're going through. At the end, I trust you'll come out stronger and better.
Posted by Iuliana Calin on 05/25/2008 at 11:39pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I, for one, am only reading because–yes–who doesn't love a train wreck!
Posted by tom on 05/26/2008 at 02:28am | permalink | Reply to this comment
@JimC and Rob: The fact that this is not something that men generally do does not in itself make it odd. Women make up half the population so something that women in general do can not by definition be odd.
Posted by Caitlin on 05/26/2008 at 10:35am | permalink | Reply to this comment
While not blogging about your divorce may seem uncomfortable or "shady," you may find that blogging about it (and quite frankly, airing your dirty laundry) is far more destructive to both of you and your children than it is theraputic or honest or whatever.
There's a time and a place for transparency and a time for discretion.
Posted by Matt on 05/26/2008 at 11:48am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Your ability to be honest, vulnerable and relevant without crossing over into narcissism is what makes your blog remarkable. What makes it addictive, is that despite your many successes, your life can be messy, too. It takes guts to write with generosity and it takes talent to make it look easy. I know from experience that the upside of going through a lot of crap is having some great stories to tell. In the blog genre, I guess you have to decide if you want to be a resource or a presence.
Posted by Janee on 05/26/2008 at 01:41pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Often, when I finish reading one of your posts, I think, "Oh, they're going to tear Penelope a new one this time!" And, they sure try, but you keep coming back! Thank you for that!
Posted by Angela Norton Tyler on 05/26/2008 at 03:51pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
@Caitlin: I don't think you read the comment(s) carefully. These were responses to a question by KC about why men were more critical in their comments.
Posted by Rob on 05/27/2008 at 05:57pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
@Caitlin: It's not odd that women communicate with other women differently than men to men. What makes it kind of odd is that this communication is being done in a forum that includes men if they wish to read it. Normally, men are excluded from "girl talk". I can see the point that it is probably not good to communicate everything in public, which is what Penelope is doing in this blog. I don't know if she should be applauded for her openness or questioned for her disregard for her family's privacy. Communicating your problems with close friends or counselors is one thing. Broadcasting them to the entire world will invite criticism and accolades. I think we discover, at least in a general way, how different we (men and women) look at what is going on in Penelope's life. We also see how each gender tends to show its disdain for the other gender, each side thinking the other is the evil one.
Posted by gt on 05/28/2008 at 10:04am | permalink | Reply to this comment
Just remember, you have made your personal life a public spectacle for quite some time. Your hubby will definitely have some ammunition being you decided to make your private marital problems something for the masses to read daily. Best of luck…you are going to need it.
Posted by Phil on 05/28/2008 at 10:29am | permalink | Reply to this comment
@gt – well put.
Posted by Rob on 05/28/2008 at 10:06pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Penny,
Nobody ever really recovers from divorce… don't even try! Just live one day to the next for a while and eventually the pain becomes discomfort, and the discomfort becomes barely noticeable – except around mutual friends and family:)
Posted by Dale on 06/04/2008 at 12:11am | permalink | Reply to this comment
I found your blog today. I came looking for career advice/topics. You have great career advice. Smart, direct strategies. Things I will share with other people.
And then I found this alarmingly exposed personal life. Wow. I give you much respect for blogging about your kids and divorce.
But after thinking what to write as a comment (I had to, of course) I realize how honest your career-oriented blogs are. And I guess I am not surprised that your posts about your personal life would be just as straight forward.
Its got to be scary where you're standing. But after reading about you for a couple hours (here's where I act like I have advice for you) you seem so strong. I think you can handle this. OK – enough of me acting like I know what you are going through.
Thanks for posting. Keep moving forward.
Posted by Charley on 06/04/2008 at 04:08pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
By the way – I like how you apply and connect the events in your personal and business lives to each other. I like doing that too.
I like my career to define part of who I am. I am a graphic designer, husband, dad, brother, son, Catholic, community advocate, the list goes on…
I think all the parts make a better whole. And I can use the different parts to supplement and enhance the others.
Posted by Charley on 06/04/2008 at 04:15pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
That you have sacrificed your children for your career is sad. Divorce is terrible for children. We have been married 23 years and yes, we had times where the grass looked greener on the other side of the fence. However, we learned that the grass is greener where you water it. As an ENTJ male and fellow writer, I understand your zeal to be published and successful. It was a very big deal for me the first time I was published in a national magazine. Now I wonder what I was striving for; fame, fortune, happiness? I find more happiness and fulfillment working one-on-one with individuals and families helping them enrich their lives and focus on their families. I hope you find peace in your life. Undressing yourself in public for money seems an odd way to seek fulfillment and happiness. Do you not feel a little like a stripper at the Internet Bar of leering readers?
Before your divorce, had you suffered real loss? Our lives are dated before and after the death of our 19-year-old son. I pray you never face such an ordeal, standing at the bedside of your dying child, bargaining with God to exchange your life for your child's. It is at such an intersection of life and work that clamoring for fame and fortune becomes petty and trifling. I hope you find wisdom in your public stripping which can be difficult in the heady flood of success. I have not read enough of your writing to know if you have a spiritual base. Whether you believe in Christianity or no, the Bible has succinct guidelines for life. Have you sought a spiritual counselor in your geographic area? In your youthfulness you feel invincible, but at some time your body will tell you that you are no longer young — and at that point wisdom and understanding will be more available to you.
If you have not already shut me off, I offer two humble suggestions: Solomon was known as the wisest man of his time who enjoyed riches and fame and unbounded sex and sensuality. He is the author of Ecclesiastes: "What profit hath a man of all his labor which he taketh under the sun? One generation passeth away, and another generation comeht: but the earth abideth forever." Our American culture hypes riches, riches, riches, yet our truth it this: "As he came forth of his mother's womb, naked shall he return to go as he came, and shall take nothing of his labor, which he may carry away in his hand."
Should you wish to communicate with a fellow ENTJ who is now 59 years old and glad to be freed from the siren call of publishing fame and fortune, I offer my address. Sincerely, Robert
Posted by Robert Cullen on 06/05/2008 at 11:15pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
Holy cow! Congratulations to Robert Cullen for the single best comment I have ever read on any blog, about anything, ever.
Posted by Harry Joiner on 06/08/2008 at 12:45pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I like reading your blog, but its not because of the divorce. I'm a single young guy. I like the honesty you exude in your writing about your divorce, although it seems like you have been integrating a lot of your divorce details lately, which sometimes, may not be of too much interest to me — given my demographic (no marriage, no kids, no gf, but focused on career)
Posted by Jay on 06/13/2008 at 05:54pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I've been there. My children were 3 & 5. The best way I was able to keep my sanity (if, in fact, I did) was to throw myself into my work. Yes, work became my escape. It was those hours every day that I had the kind of distraction that allowed me to focus just on work. Divorce is tough, but you just have to get through that awful process in order to move to another place. Yes, it took a long time, but now it's a fading memory. I'm even friendly with my ex . . . many years later.
Posted by Gail McDaniel on 07/15/2008 at 04:40pm | permalink | Reply to this comment
I just found you by googling "marriage counseling." Just wanted to let you know that even though I read through your fulfillment blogs, it's not because of the train wreck factor.
Thanks for sharing. I think that it's been helpful.
Posted by Tricia on 08/16/2008 at 12:31am | permalink | Reply to this comment