Comments on: Barack Obama, the female vote, and why this matters at work http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2008/02/04/barack-obama-the-female-vote-and-why-this-matters-at-work/ Advice at the intersection of work and life Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:59:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Ch-ch-ch-Changes | SynerJack http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2008/02/04/barack-obama-the-female-vote-and-why-this-matters-at-work/#comment-156868 Ch-ch-ch-Changes | SynerJack Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:55:14 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2008/02/04/barack-obama-the-female-vote-and-why-this-matters-at-work/#comment-156868 [...] are a couple of other great thoughts:  Penelope Trunk says, “We don’t owe it to the last generation to keep fighting their fights. We owe it to the [...] [...] are a couple of other great thoughts:  Penelope Trunk says, “We don’t owe it to the last generation to keep fighting their fights. We owe it to the [...]

]]> By: Oyibo http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2008/02/04/barack-obama-the-female-vote-and-why-this-matters-at-work/#comment-136061 Oyibo Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:44:26 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2008/02/04/barack-obama-the-female-vote-and-why-this-matters-at-work/#comment-136061 I am interested in what the candidates policy will be in regards to comparable worth/pay between working men and women. I am interested in what the candidates policy will be in regards to comparable worth/pay between working men and women.

]]> By: Anon http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2008/02/04/barack-obama-the-female-vote-and-why-this-matters-at-work/#comment-135589 Anon Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:19:56 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2008/02/04/barack-obama-the-female-vote-and-why-this-matters-at-work/#comment-135589 Clinton did not win by a 25 point margin in California JT - you can't trust the polls when only 17% of precincts have reported. Remember 2000? BTW - I am a woman and I talk football with guys. One of the women who've talked to women in our office about gender issues recommended reading the sports page on Monday morning. I played sports and watch sports, so this is not so much an issue for me, generally. We have other issues, old school. A man man who goes home early to catch a game is a hero, while more family pressure falls to women on a regular basis. Clinton did not win by a 25 point margin in California JT - you can't trust the polls when only 17% of precincts have reported. Remember 2000?

BTW - I am a woman and I talk football with guys. One of the women who've talked to women in our office about gender issues recommended reading the sports page on Monday morning. I played sports and watch sports, so this is not so much an issue for me, generally.

We have other issues, old school. A man man who goes home early to catch a game is a hero, while more family pressure falls to women on a regular basis.

]]> By: JT http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2008/02/04/barack-obama-the-female-vote-and-why-this-matters-at-work/#comment-135411 JT Fri, 08 Feb 2008 22:22:35 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2008/02/04/barack-obama-the-female-vote-and-why-this-matters-at-work/#comment-135411 Ummm... was it me, or did Obama get his ass handed to him in California-- particularly by women? Look, I am a definite fan of Obama. Without question I think he could be a great leader. If you look at the numbers, Clinton won every age demo in California (even young people) and she won women by a 25 (yes 25) point margin. I enjoy your career posts, but I would leave out the political commentary. It is lacking... Ummm… was it me, or did Obama get his ass handed to him in California– particularly by women?

Look, I am a definite fan of Obama. Without question I think he could be a great leader.

If you look at the numbers, Clinton won every age demo in California (even young people) and she won women by a 25 (yes 25) point margin.

I enjoy your career posts, but I would leave out the political commentary. It is lacking…

]]> By: Samara http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2008/02/04/barack-obama-the-female-vote-and-why-this-matters-at-work/#comment-135408 Samara Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:01:12 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2008/02/04/barack-obama-the-female-vote-and-why-this-matters-at-work/#comment-135408 Dan Schawbel the use of the word "minority" is soon to be a thing of the pass. Using that word is an example of the separation of white, black, etc that Penelope reiterated in her post. Dan Schawbel the use of the word "minority" is soon to be a thing of the pass. Using that word is an example of the separation of white, black, etc that Penelope reiterated in her post.

]]> By: Noemi Ybarra http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2008/02/04/barack-obama-the-female-vote-and-why-this-matters-at-work/#comment-135348 Noemi Ybarra Thu, 07 Feb 2008 16:06:52 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2008/02/04/barack-obama-the-female-vote-and-why-this-matters-at-work/#comment-135348 I generally agree, but this: "My generation—which is Obama’s generation—does not need to fight the women’s fight anymore. Other people did it for us." Is a bit foolish. Sure, we've made great strides and in general, the workplace and other options we want are open to us. BUT...not always, not in all places. There are plenty of people in power who think we should be relegated to our Roles of Olde, who are actively working to shove us back there. That fight still exists, and if we don't keep at it, if we don't INSIST on being treated equally and fairly, we will not be. There is still a need for diligence. There is still a need for improvement. There is still (and always will be) a need for feminism. I generally agree, but this:

"My generation—which is Obama’s generation—does not need to fight the women’s fight anymore. Other people did it for us."

Is a bit foolish. Sure, we've made great strides and in general, the workplace and other options we want are open to us. BUT…not always, not in all places. There are plenty of people in power who
think we should be relegated to our Roles of Olde, who are actively working to shove us back there. That fight still exists, and if we don't keep at it, if we don't INSIST on being treated equally and fairly, we will not be.

There is still a need for diligence. There is still a need for improvement. There is still (and always will be) a need for feminism.

]]> By: b http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2008/02/04/barack-obama-the-female-vote-and-why-this-matters-at-work/#comment-135321 b Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:58:09 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2008/02/04/barack-obama-the-female-vote-and-why-this-matters-at-work/#comment-135321 from a smart woman with actual perspective on career and how women fight battles often distinct from men - in other words, a woman who should know better - this is an appalling, analysis-free write-up about nothing. no one has ever made it easier for me to click 'unsubscribe.' from a smart woman with actual perspective on career and how women fight battles often distinct from men - in other words, a woman who should know better - this is an appalling, analysis-free write-up about nothing. no one has ever made it easier for me to click 'unsubscribe.'

]]> By: Dale http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2008/02/04/barack-obama-the-female-vote-and-why-this-matters-at-work/#comment-135295 Dale Wed, 06 Feb 2008 21:13:14 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2008/02/04/barack-obama-the-female-vote-and-why-this-matters-at-work/#comment-135295 Having been burned so many times in my long long life, I find it difficult to get really excited about any political candidate. What does stand out to me however, is that your article articulates the fact that women by and large, still have to "stand behind" a man to achieve their rightful needs, wants and ambitions. True, things are better than they were, open wife beating and the sale of child brides are no longer standard practice ... (here) but the fact that we feel compelled to celebrate the ability of famous women to "stand behind a man" to help him win support for his cause/self/agenda, just seems like more of the same to me. Would Clinton be there if it weren't for Bill? Is this "socio-political development" any different to busty models standing next to new cars in magazines? I'll celebrate if either democrat wins, but right now, I believe that both Clinton and Obama are chronological aberrations due to a dirt of appealing democrats . Just my two cents worth:( Having been burned so many times in my long long life, I find it difficult to get really excited about any political candidate.

What does stand out to me however, is that your article articulates the fact that women by and large, still have to "stand behind" a man to achieve their rightful needs, wants and ambitions. True, things are better than they were, open wife beating and the sale of child brides are no longer standard practice … (here) but the fact that we feel compelled to celebrate the ability of famous women to "stand behind a man" to help him win support for his cause/self/agenda, just seems like more of the same to me.

Would Clinton be there if it weren't for Bill?

Is this "socio-political development" any different to busty models standing next to new cars in magazines?

I'll celebrate if either democrat wins, but right now, I believe that both Clinton and Obama are chronological aberrations due to a dirt of appealing democrats .

Just my two cents worth:(

]]> By: Joselle Palacios http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2008/02/04/barack-obama-the-female-vote-and-why-this-matters-at-work/#comment-135284 Joselle Palacios Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:08:08 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2008/02/04/barack-obama-the-female-vote-and-why-this-matters-at-work/#comment-135284 Matt M, I'm willing to argue how feminist Sen. Clinton is. But I can't find any of those feminist commenters here who support Clinton solely because she is a woman. I hear that played up in the media but you'll have to point out that commenter here. What I read here is people, including those who identify as feminists, trying to rise above the short-sighted obsession with gender and racial binaries and trying to choose a candidate who they think most closely reflects their values. Penelope, I agreed with much of your post. I agreed with how inspirational you found Michelle Obama and Maria Shriver's speeches and how you can support women in part by supporting a newer generation. But I totally disagree with dismissing feminism just because Obama is more appealing. That's where you lost me. There is just so much more we need to do and a lot we have lost during the Bush administration that needs to be taken back. I agree with Shefaly that saying the status of women is just fine dismisses the reality of the lives of women all over the world who are not as free and fine as some American women. By the way, I decided to vote for Obama. I really grappled with it all day, which surprised me since for months I wasn't too fond of Clinton but not full of Obama-mania either. Finally, it was Clinton's vote for the war that was the decider for me. I can't say I am madly in love with either one of them but I made the right choice for me for now. Interesting. I watched the Today show this morning and they broke down voter demographics for each party. For the Republicans, it was moderate versus conservative. That was it. For Democrats, they broke it down to women vs blacks vs white vs under 40 vs Latino vs over 20. This totally ignores any POLICY differences amongst Democratic voters. And it dismisses people like me who fit into more than a few of those boxes! I just haven't met any real, live person whose voting for Clinton or Obama solely because of their race or gender. I only hear about it in the media. Matt M, I'm willing to argue how feminist Sen. Clinton is. But I can't find any of those feminist commenters here who support Clinton solely because she is a woman. I hear that played up in the media but you'll have to point out that commenter here. What I read here is people, including those who identify as feminists, trying to rise above the short-sighted obsession with gender and racial binaries and trying to choose a candidate who they think most closely reflects their values.

Penelope, I agreed with much of your post. I agreed with how inspirational you found Michelle Obama and Maria Shriver's speeches and how you can support women in part by supporting a newer generation. But I totally disagree with dismissing feminism just because Obama is more appealing. That's where you lost me. There is just so much more we need to do and a lot we have lost during the Bush administration that needs to be taken back. I agree with Shefaly that saying the status of women is just fine dismisses the reality of the lives of women all over the world who are not as free and fine as some American women.

By the way, I decided to vote for Obama. I really grappled with it all day, which surprised me since for months I wasn't too fond of Clinton but not full of Obama-mania either. Finally, it was Clinton's vote for the war that was the decider for me. I can't say I am madly in love with either one of them but I made the right choice for me for now.

Interesting. I watched the Today show this morning and they broke down voter demographics for each party. For the Republicans, it was moderate versus conservative. That was it. For Democrats, they broke it down to women vs blacks vs white vs under 40 vs Latino vs over 20. This totally ignores any POLICY differences amongst Democratic voters. And it dismisses people like me who fit into more than a few of those boxes! I just haven't met any real, live person whose voting for Clinton or Obama solely because of their race or gender. I only hear about it in the media.

]]> By: Matt M http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2008/02/04/barack-obama-the-female-vote-and-why-this-matters-at-work/#comment-135283 Matt M Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:40:38 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2008/02/04/barack-obama-the-female-vote-and-why-this-matters-at-work/#comment-135283 Penelope, I agree with your take on feminism 100% and I like your post as it relates to work. I can't stand the feminists commenters here who apparently support Hillary just because she is a woman. Hillary is a feminist in rhetoric only. If she had any sort of respect for herself and the rights and respect of women she should have divorced Bill when during his presidential term or even before that if she knew of his infidelity before. The nature and scope of his infidelity shows that he doesn't respect marriage or women in general. It would have shown that she was a stronger person than Bill and many others in politics and it would have shown much more leadership during difficult circumstances. Keep up the good work. Penelope,

I agree with your take on feminism 100% and I like your post as it relates to work.

I can't stand the feminists commenters here who apparently support Hillary just because she is a woman. Hillary is a feminist in rhetoric only. If she had any sort of respect for herself and the rights and respect of women she should have divorced Bill when during his presidential term or even before that if she knew of his infidelity before. The nature and scope of his infidelity shows that he doesn't respect marriage or women in general. It would have shown that she was a stronger person than Bill and many others in politics and it would have shown much more leadership during difficult circumstances.

Keep up the good work.

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