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	<title>Comments on: Stop thinking you&#039;ll get by on your high I.Q.</title>
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		<title>By: Don Sakers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Sakers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your basic point that kids with Aspergers can benefit from help with developing and improving social skills. 

Please, though, be careful with quotes like &quot;...adults can&#039;t maintain close relationships. It&#039;s a limited life and it&#039;s limited in the area where people have an inherent need to thrive.&quot;

I&#039;m a 51-year-old with Aspergers; as a child I had no special training in social skills. I have a spouse of 22 years, many close friends and a wide social circle, and am generally well-liked at work (I have worked full-time for the public library for 29 years). I write science fiction &amp; fantasy (I have 11 books currently in print) and do a monthly book review column for the nation&#039;s leading science fiction magazine. I&#039;ve traveled all across the country and outside it, and basically have a very enjoyable life. I don&#039;t consider my life &quot;limited&quot; and I don&#039;t think any objective observer would, either.

Yes, training in social skills (had such been available 40 years ago) would probably have made my awkward adolescent and teen years go a bit more smoothly...but whose adolescent and teen years &lt;b&gt;did&lt;/b&gt; go smoothly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your basic point that kids with Aspergers can benefit from help with developing and improving social skills. </p>
<p>Please, though, be careful with quotes like &#034;&#8230;adults can&#039;t maintain close relationships. It&#039;s a limited life and it&#039;s limited in the area where people have an inherent need to thrive.&#034;</p>
<p>I&#039;m a 51-year-old with Aspergers; as a child I had no special training in social skills. I have a spouse of 22 years, many close friends and a wide social circle, and am generally well-liked at work (I have worked full-time for the public library for 29 years). I write science fiction &amp; fantasy (I have 11 books currently in print) and do a monthly book review column for the nation&#039;s leading science fiction magazine. I&#039;ve traveled all across the country and outside it, and basically have a very enjoyable life. I don&#039;t consider my life &#034;limited&#034; and I don&#039;t think any objective observer would, either.</p>
<p>Yes, training in social skills (had such been available 40 years ago) would probably have made my awkward adolescent and teen years go a bit more smoothly&#8230;but whose adolescent and teen years <b>did</b> go smoothly?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Deutsch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Deutsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Gifted Girl,

I completely agree with you that IQ is important. And I think Ms. Trunk agrees with us too.

Her point is that IQ may be necessary but it is not sufficient. People would rather work with a likable dunderhead than a brilliant boor...and these days, people don&#039;t even need to make that choice all the time. Even where brilliance overshadows boorishness, there are plenty of brilliant &lt;b&gt;and&lt;/b&gt; likable people running around. We need to be likable too.

What do you think?

Jeff Deutsch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Gifted Girl,</p>
<p>I completely agree with you that IQ is important. And I think Ms. Trunk agrees with us too.</p>
<p>Her point is that IQ may be necessary but it is not sufficient. People would rather work with a likable dunderhead than a brilliant boor&#8230;and these days, people don&#039;t even need to make that choice all the time. Even where brilliance overshadows boorishness, there are plenty of brilliant <b>and</b> likable people running around. We need to be likable too.</p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
<p>Jeff Deutsch</p>
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		<title>By: Gifted Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gifted Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your post has an important message, but to be honest us high IQ types are already well aware that other people really value social skills- we&#039;ve been told a million times already! What I don&#039;t understand is why your article seems to assume that high IQ and good social skills are mutually exclusive. I know you talked about the autism spectrum, but that is an extreme and not really representative of high IQ people in general. Instead right now it seems like the trend is towards EQ/social skills/street smarts, with the result that people just enjoy bashing IQ/academic skills/book smarts. In reality the most successful people need a measure of both- not really rocket science is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your post has an important message, but to be honest us high IQ types are already well aware that other people really value social skills- we&#039;ve been told a million times already! What I don&#039;t understand is why your article seems to assume that high IQ and good social skills are mutually exclusive. I know you talked about the autism spectrum, but that is an extreme and not really representative of high IQ people in general. Instead right now it seems like the trend is towards EQ/social skills/street smarts, with the result that people just enjoy bashing IQ/academic skills/book smarts. In reality the most successful people need a measure of both- not really rocket science is it?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Deutsch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Deutsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Steve,

First off, congratulations on taking the important step of therapy. And I wish you good luck with your dating.

I&#039;m an Aspie life coach who helps fellow Aspies (and NTs who deal with us), and I know what you&#039;re talking about.

Let&#039;s switch the analogy a little bit. It&#039;s not a toothache, it&#039;s cardiac pain that masquerades as indigestion. You know &lt;b&gt;something&#039;s&lt;/b&gt; wrong, but you don&#039;t know what. 

Since you just don&#039;t see what&#039;s going on - subtle cues that aren&#039;t verbalized and even when they are, are phrased subtlely and euphemistically - you don&#039;t even know that&#039;s where the problem may lie. 

And it can become a vicious cycle: as you become isolated from people, you miss out on the osmosis-like introductions most of us get to social life and unwritten social codes. Then as you emulate the proverbial bull in a china shop, people further pull back from you. They figure you have a bad attitude, not that you just lack certain knowledge. That can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. It can also throw you off the track of where to look to solve your problems.

And being human, you don&#039;t instinctively look in the mirror for the cause and the solution. You&#039;re ostracized, and like most humans you deny it, rationalize it, blame anyone and everyone but yourself.

Three things I reinforce to my clients: 

&lt;b&gt;If you keep doing what you&#039;ve always done, you&#039;ll keep getting what you&#039;ve always gotten.

&lt;i&gt;You&lt;/i&gt; are the only person whose behavior you can control.

If it were easy, everyone would be doing it - including you already.&lt;/b&gt;

If you don&#039;t like what&#039;s going on, you need to find out what you can do to change yourself and change your life. And then you need to do some hard work and learn some not necessarily pleasant things about yourself.

Please feel free to drop me a line anytime, Steve. My fingers are crossed for you.

Jeff Deutsch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Steve,</p>
<p>First off, congratulations on taking the important step of therapy. And I wish you good luck with your dating.</p>
<p>I&#039;m an Aspie life coach who helps fellow Aspies (and NTs who deal with us), and I know what you&#039;re talking about.</p>
<p>Let&#039;s switch the analogy a little bit. It&#039;s not a toothache, it&#039;s cardiac pain that masquerades as indigestion. You know <b>something&#039;s</b> wrong, but you don&#039;t know what. </p>
<p>Since you just don&#039;t see what&#039;s going on &#8211; subtle cues that aren&#039;t verbalized and even when they are, are phrased subtlely and euphemistically &#8211; you don&#039;t even know that&#039;s where the problem may lie. </p>
<p>And it can become a vicious cycle: as you become isolated from people, you miss out on the osmosis-like introductions most of us get to social life and unwritten social codes. Then as you emulate the proverbial bull in a china shop, people further pull back from you. They figure you have a bad attitude, not that you just lack certain knowledge. That can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. It can also throw you off the track of where to look to solve your problems.</p>
<p>And being human, you don&#039;t instinctively look in the mirror for the cause and the solution. You&#039;re ostracized, and like most humans you deny it, rationalize it, blame anyone and everyone but yourself.</p>
<p>Three things I reinforce to my clients: </p>
<p><b>If you keep doing what you&#039;ve always done, you&#039;ll keep getting what you&#039;ve always gotten.</p>
<p><i>You</i> are the only person whose behavior you can control.</p>
<p>If it were easy, everyone would be doing it &#8211; including you already.</b></p>
<p>If you don&#039;t like what&#039;s going on, you need to find out what you can do to change yourself and change your life. And then you need to do some hard work and learn some not necessarily pleasant things about yourself.</p>
<p>Please feel free to drop me a line anytime, Steve. My fingers are crossed for you.</p>
<p>Jeff Deutsch</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a person with limited social skills, I think you are wrong about not knowing about your shortcomings socially. I am not oblivious to being ostracized; it greatly pained me. But, I didn&#039;t know how to address the issue. Often I would just try to ignore it or try to accept that it is my basic personality. Despite going to a therapist and dating, I am still at a loss about what I can do differently. I have compassion and empathy for others, but it is not often reflected in my personal or work lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a person with limited social skills, I think you are wrong about not knowing about your shortcomings socially. I am not oblivious to being ostracized; it greatly pained me. But, I didn&#039;t know how to address the issue. Often I would just try to ignore it or try to accept that it is my basic personality. Despite going to a therapist and dating, I am still at a loss about what I can do differently. I have compassion and empathy for others, but it is not often reflected in my personal or work lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Alan Miller &#187; Trunk issue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Alan Miller &#187; Trunk issue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#124; Posted by Chill on 28 Aug 2009 at 11:35 am &#124;  One of the reasons I really like Penelope Trunk is that she, as I tend to do, tells people things that are true that they really, really don&#8217;t want to hear. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] | Posted by Chill on 28 Aug 2009 at 11:35 am |  One of the reasons I really like Penelope Trunk is that she, as I tend to do, tells people things that are true that they really, really don&#039;t want to hear. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Deutsch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Deutsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Alyson and Scott,

You both have good points.

I don&#039;t know whether an autism cure is already here, on the way or even possible. I do know that with patience, hard work and most importantly a willingness to face certain realities about ourselves and about the world, we Aspies can, as the saying goes, accentuate the positive and minimize the negative.

Alyson, you certainly have a good point in morality. It certainly would be better if others accepted us for who we were. That&#039;s not happening anytime soon. Even with the most generous counts of folks on the autism spectrum, the world is over 99% NT (neurotypical; not on the spectrum). Bottom line: Like it or lump it, &lt;b&gt;we&lt;/b&gt; need to do the bulk of the learning and changing.

In fact, that goes for everybody, on and off the autism spectrum: The only behavior you can actually control is your own. If other people around you are jerks, unfairly write you off or whatever, you probably can&#039;t change their dispositions soon enough to benefit you - but you may be able to change how they treat you by changing the material (that is, your behavior) to which they&#039;re responding. Or you can leave for a more congenial setting - but there&#039;s no setting in which you never have to change anything about yourself because everyone else loves everything about you exactly as you are.

What do you think?

Jeff Deutsch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Alyson and Scott,</p>
<p>You both have good points.</p>
<p>I don&#039;t know whether an autism cure is already here, on the way or even possible. I do know that with patience, hard work and most importantly a willingness to face certain realities about ourselves and about the world, we Aspies can, as the saying goes, accentuate the positive and minimize the negative.</p>
<p>Alyson, you certainly have a good point in morality. It certainly would be better if others accepted us for who we were. That&#039;s not happening anytime soon. Even with the most generous counts of folks on the autism spectrum, the world is over 99% NT (neurotypical; not on the spectrum). Bottom line: Like it or lump it, <b>we</b> need to do the bulk of the learning and changing.</p>
<p>In fact, that goes for everybody, on and off the autism spectrum: The only behavior you can actually control is your own. If other people around you are jerks, unfairly write you off or whatever, you probably can&#039;t change their dispositions soon enough to benefit you &#8211; but you may be able to change how they treat you by changing the material (that is, your behavior) to which they&#039;re responding. Or you can leave for a more congenial setting &#8211; but there&#039;s no setting in which you never have to change anything about yourself because everyone else loves everything about you exactly as you are.</p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
<p>Jeff Deutsch</p>
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		<title>By: Alyson Bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alyson Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 06:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Autism is not a disease, its a neurological diiferrnce, I have no problem having Aspergers or being an autistic adult, the ignorance of others usually my only problem!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Autism is not a disease, its a neurological diiferrnce, I have no problem having Aspergers or being an autistic adult, the ignorance of others usually my only problem!</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Autism is the core of who I am, take that away your take away my heart.... understanding, accepting and allowing is what is needed!

perhaps, but if you overcame autism it will open up a whole new world for you,people shouldn&#039;t stop learning or bettering themselves just because they left school or let a disease take your idenitity rather than the individial beneth the condition,you are more than you&#039;re disease.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Autism is the core of who I am, take that away your take away my heart&#8230;. understanding, accepting and allowing is what is needed!</p>
<p>perhaps, but if you overcame autism it will open up a whole new world for you,people shouldn&#039;t stop learning or bettering themselves just because they left school or let a disease take your idenitity rather than the individial beneth the condition,you are more than you&#039;re disease.</p>
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		<title>By: Alyson Bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alyson Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Autism is the core of who I am, take that away your take away my heart.... understanding, accepting and allowing is what is needed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Autism is the core of who I am, take that away your take away my heart&#8230;. understanding, accepting and allowing is what is needed!</p>
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