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		<title>By: &#8220;Ich bin schwul&#8221; – Über das Coming-out im Job ... auf Karriere-Bibel</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;Ich bin schwul&#8221; – Über das Coming-out im Job ... auf Karriere-Bibel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] weil daheim keine Familie wartet; sie machen &#246;fter &#220;berstunden, sind zuweilen sogar ehrgeiziger. Aber auf dem Weg nach oben z&#228;hlt eben nicht nur die Leistung, sondern auch Anpassung und das [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] weil daheim keine Familie wartet; sie machen &#246;fter &#220;berstunden, sind zuweilen sogar ehrgeiziger. Aber auf dem Weg nach oben z&#228;hlt eben nicht nur die Leistung, sondern auch Anpassung und das [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Queercents &#187; Sleeping With Money: Coming Out of the Closet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Queercents &#187; Sleeping With Money: Coming Out of the Closet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was twenty-eight at the time and already out of the closet at work and with friends. The year was 1995 and I was in love with Partner #1. We were going to be together [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] was twenty-eight at the time and already out of the closet at work and with friends. The year was 1995 and I was in love with Partner #1. We were going to be together [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Queercents &#187; National Coming Out Day - October 11, 2007</title>
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		<dc:creator>Queercents &#187; National Coming Out Day - October 11, 2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the connection between coming out and professional success. Most recently Nina wrote about how gays who are out of the closet at work have stronger careers. I wrote about &#8220;Trading Authenticity for the Chance at CEO&#8221;. But I wonder, is selling [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the connection between coming out and professional success. Most recently Nina wrote about how gays who are out of the closet at work have stronger careers. I wrote about &#034;Trading Authenticity for the Chance at CEO&#034;. But I wonder, is selling [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed the column, but I wonder whether it would apply to a very senior person at a company who has kept their personal life &quot;in the closet&quot; their whole career. Perhaps Nina could comment on this. 

I&#039;m thinking of my boss who I suspect is lesbian. She&#039;s #2 at a large financial advisory firm.  Knowing the industry well, at this point I can&#039;t help but think that it would hurt her more than help her if she came out.  
 
I think major clients would suddenly feel uncomfortable knowing this, even if most (or all) of her coworkers and employees would be completely fine with it.  And even if these clients are not generally homo-phobic.   

It&#039;s the act of keeping this hidden for 25+ years that would create a sense of betrayal...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed the column, but I wonder whether it would apply to a very senior person at a company who has kept their personal life &#034;in the closet&#034; their whole career. Perhaps Nina could comment on this. </p>
<p>I&#039;m thinking of my boss who I suspect is lesbian. She&#039;s #2 at a large financial advisory firm.  Knowing the industry well, at this point I can&#039;t help but think that it would hurt her more than help her if she came out.  </p>
<p>I think major clients would suddenly feel uncomfortable knowing this, even if most (or all) of her coworkers and employees would be completely fine with it.  And even if these clients are not generally homo-phobic.   </p>
<p>It&#039;s the act of keeping this hidden for 25+ years that would create a sense of betrayal&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Occasionally someone ‘comforts’ you with the ‘news’ that you’re still the ‘same person.’ Yuck.&quot;

In the working world sometimes it behooves us to be tolerant, if not grateful, for the seeming crumbs that fall from the table of those in the majority.  I believe that the statement above is one such crumb.  We live in a world of people who for all their vocalized love of individuality and respect for difference, are very often ignorant about how to react when faced with it.  True, it is a condesending pat on the head, but it also demonstrates an attempt to make peace with difference.  

The people who say this type of thing, come from an imagined cookie cutter world, and validate that they are not like the &quot;intolerant many&quot; by telling others, and more importantly themselves, that difference means nothing - AKA you&#039;re still the same person.  It is revealing, and even an admirable thing when taken in the context of hate crimes etc, but it makes one angry that we haven&#039;t progressed beyond this as a community. 

I cannot speak to your body of experience, but in my case as a straight, black, imported:), boomer, male, I am cognizant of the alternative, and am just happy to have a platform from which to elicit meaningful and permanent change, because like it or not, we are each ambassadors of our kind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;Occasionally someone ‘comforts’ you with the ‘news’ that you’re still the ‘same person.’ Yuck.&#034;</p>
<p>In the working world sometimes it behooves us to be tolerant, if not grateful, for the seeming crumbs that fall from the table of those in the majority.  I believe that the statement above is one such crumb.  We live in a world of people who for all their vocalized love of individuality and respect for difference, are very often ignorant about how to react when faced with it.  True, it is a condesending pat on the head, but it also demonstrates an attempt to make peace with difference.  </p>
<p>The people who say this type of thing, come from an imagined cookie cutter world, and validate that they are not like the &#034;intolerant many&#034; by telling others, and more importantly themselves, that difference means nothing &#8211; AKA you&#039;re still the same person.  It is revealing, and even an admirable thing when taken in the context of hate crimes etc, but it makes one angry that we haven&#039;t progressed beyond this as a community. </p>
<p>I cannot speak to your body of experience, but in my case as a straight, black, imported:), boomer, male, I am cognizant of the alternative, and am just happy to have a platform from which to elicit meaningful and permanent change, because like it or not, we are each ambassadors of our kind.</p>
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		<title>By: DivaJean</title>
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		<dc:creator>DivaJean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 17:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think my being out at work has helped in that I don&#039;t have to dance around about who I am.

When I started at my job 10 years ago, I was fearful of possible firing for any reason during the initial 6 months. On the day I started, I told myself I would not make any mention of my partner and my orientation- not knowing the environment or level of safety. The morning went horrendously bad-- the person I was training with was asking all the niceties that you would ask a new co worker-- and I was giving nothing back. At lunch break, I told myself that if I got fired for being myself, I didn&#039;t belong there. I apologized profusely to my trainer and explained why I had acted the way I did.

The 10 years here have been a learning curve. I got the human resources department to get real about their domestic partner benefits and have made real change. Our company was the first big corporate entity to participate in the local pride parade 4 years ago, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think my being out at work has helped in that I don&#039;t have to dance around about who I am.</p>
<p>When I started at my job 10 years ago, I was fearful of possible firing for any reason during the initial 6 months. On the day I started, I told myself I would not make any mention of my partner and my orientation- not knowing the environment or level of safety. The morning went horrendously bad&#8211; the person I was training with was asking all the niceties that you would ask a new co worker&#8211; and I was giving nothing back. At lunch break, I told myself that if I got fired for being myself, I didn&#039;t belong there. I apologized profusely to my trainer and explained why I had acted the way I did.</p>
<p>The 10 years here have been a learning curve. I got the human resources department to get real about their domestic partner benefits and have made real change. Our company was the first big corporate entity to participate in the local pride parade 4 years ago, too.</p>
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		<title>By: d</title>
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		<dc:creator>d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of us don&#039;t care if you&#039;re gay. If it comes up naturally, that&#039;s cool. But when you go out of your way to define yourself by your sexual orientation, and advertise that fact, it&#039;s annoying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of us don&#039;t care if you&#039;re gay. If it comes up naturally, that&#039;s cool. But when you go out of your way to define yourself by your sexual orientation, and advertise that fact, it&#039;s annoying.</p>
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		<title>By: melanie gao</title>
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		<dc:creator>melanie gao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 01:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Nina for the great article!  There are many sexual orientations in my office and once someone has come out in one way or another, their orientation becomes a non-issue.  So I&#039;m all for coming out at the office and then getting on with business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Nina for the great article!  There are many sexual orientations in my office and once someone has come out in one way or another, their orientation becomes a non-issue.  So I&#039;m all for coming out at the office and then getting on with business.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 00:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, this is true. When you don&#039;t out yourself it appears that you are not confident. It also shows that you want to assimilate and are too afriad to take any risks by being unique. Most people look up to unique and confident individuals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, this is true. When you don&#039;t out yourself it appears that you are not confident. It also shows that you want to assimilate and are too afriad to take any risks by being unique. Most people look up to unique and confident individuals.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have found a very simple and direct way to out myself as soon as I arrive at my new place of employment. I simply place a picture of my partner and my stepdaughter (my partner&#039;s child from her marriage) in a prominent location on my desk. Most people figure it out, while others will ask just to be sure. It makes it a much less awkward conversation to point at the photo and say &quot;oh, that is...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have found a very simple and direct way to out myself as soon as I arrive at my new place of employment. I simply place a picture of my partner and my stepdaughter (my partner&#039;s child from her marriage) in a prominent location on my desk. Most people figure it out, while others will ask just to be sure. It makes it a much less awkward conversation to point at the photo and say &#034;oh, that is&#8230;&#034;</p>
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