Comments on: Business schools shift to accommodate the biological clock http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/09/26/business-schools-shift-to-accommodate-the-biological-clock/ Advice at the intersection of work and life Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:46:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Modite - Gen Y women – out of the workplace woods? http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/09/26/business-schools-shift-to-accommodate-the-biological-clock/#comment-139010 Modite - Gen Y women – out of the workplace woods? Tue, 25 Mar 2008 03:06:47 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/09/26/business-schools-shift-to-accommodate-the-biological-clock/#comment-139010 [...] when I read advice that tells me I have to get married and have babies before I’m thirty. I guess it’s smart [...] […] when I read advice that tells me I have to get married and have babies before I’m thirty. I guess it’s smart […]

]]> By: Winning The Battle of Work vs. Life at Personal PR http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/09/26/business-schools-shift-to-accommodate-the-biological-clock/#comment-115719 Winning The Battle of Work vs. Life at Personal PR Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:58:54 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/09/26/business-schools-shift-to-accommodate-the-biological-clock/#comment-115719 [...] for the way the rest of our lives and opportunities play out. For example, as Penelope Trunk recently wrote, young women who want to have a family and career face the serious dilemma of timing and [...] […] for the way the rest of our lives and opportunities play out. For example, as Penelope Trunk recently wrote, young women who want to have a family and career face the serious dilemma of timing and […]

]]> By: Winning The Battle of Work vs. Life « Little Red Suit http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/09/26/business-schools-shift-to-accommodate-the-biological-clock/#comment-110324 Winning The Battle of Work vs. Life « Little Red Suit Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:26:30 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/09/26/business-schools-shift-to-accommodate-the-biological-clock/#comment-110324 [...] for the way the rest of our lives and opportunities play out. For example, as Penelope Trunk recently wrote, young women who want to have a family and career face the serious dilemma of timing and [...] […] for the way the rest of our lives and opportunities play out. For example, as Penelope Trunk recently wrote, young women who want to have a family and career face the serious dilemma of timing and […]

]]> By: Modite - Engagement for the next generation http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/09/26/business-schools-shift-to-accommodate-the-biological-clock/#comment-109905 Modite - Engagement for the next generation Mon, 22 Oct 2007 00:22:47 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/09/26/business-schools-shift-to-accommodate-the-biological-clock/#comment-109905 [...] career guru Penelope Trunk insists that we will find deeper fulfillment from relationships over work, others like Hannah [...] […] career guru Penelope Trunk insists that we will find deeper fulfillment from relationships over work, others like Hannah […]

]]> By: Scott Sanders http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/09/26/business-schools-shift-to-accommodate-the-biological-clock/#comment-109579 Scott Sanders Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:43:24 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/09/26/business-schools-shift-to-accommodate-the-biological-clock/#comment-109579 Penelope - Harvard Business School has never had a work experience requirement! ... at least not in my recent memory. Take a look at this page: http://www.hbs.edu/mba/admissions/admissioncriteria.html "Please note that there is no minimum work experience requirement for the MBA Program. Successful candidates are able to demonstrate strength in the criteria outlined above, regardless of their number of years of work experience. They include college seniors with significant leadership experience, as well as individuals with as little as one to two years of full-time work experience." Penelope - Harvard Business School has never had a work experience requirement! … at least not in my recent memory.

Take a look at this page:
http://www.hbs.edu/mba/admissions/admissioncriteria.html

“Please note that there is no minimum work experience requirement for the MBA Program. Successful candidates are able to demonstrate strength in the criteria outlined above, regardless of their number of years of work experience. They include college seniors with significant leadership experience, as well as individuals with as little as one to two years of full-time work experience.”

]]> By: sparklingallison http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/09/26/business-schools-shift-to-accommodate-the-biological-clock/#comment-109349 sparklingallison Sat, 06 Oct 2007 20:01:56 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/09/26/business-schools-shift-to-accommodate-the-biological-clock/#comment-109349 I think it is a great step for business schools to be more accommodating to women. There is so much more to be done, not just with business schools, but with employers providing more flexibility for working mothers. I plan to apply to MBA programs next Fall and definitely took the baby factor into consideration. There is a lot of pressure for me to squeeze it in right now so I can have a couple of years work experience post-MBA before having children. (Which I will probably just get to at your drop dead 35-years-old mark.) I'm looking forward to getting my MBA as a motivation to go back to work after having children. I also hope that it will provide me with more flexibility and options as I have a family. I think it is a great step for business schools to be more accommodating to women. There is so much more to be done, not just with business schools, but with employers providing more flexibility for working mothers.

I plan to apply to MBA programs next Fall and definitely took the baby factor into consideration. There is a lot of pressure for me to squeeze it in right now so I can have a couple of years work experience post-MBA before having children. (Which I will probably just get to at your drop dead 35-years-old mark.)

I’m looking forward to getting my MBA as a motivation to go back to work after having children. I also hope that it will provide me with more flexibility and options as I have a family.

]]> By: uzoamaka okenwa http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/09/26/business-schools-shift-to-accommodate-the-biological-clock/#comment-109223 uzoamaka okenwa Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:43:02 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/09/26/business-schools-shift-to-accommodate-the-biological-clock/#comment-109223 the information in your articles are always very helpfull. keep up the good work. the information in your articles are always very helpfull. keep up the good work.

]]> By: Rich http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/09/26/business-schools-shift-to-accommodate-the-biological-clock/#comment-109152 Rich Wed, 03 Oct 2007 15:08:18 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/09/26/business-schools-shift-to-accommodate-the-biological-clock/#comment-109152 From Penelope: "And Harvard doesn’t need any more qualified men — Harvard has plenty. The only thing they need more of is quaified women." I have been reading Penelope since Brazen Careerist was just and email subscription from Bankrate.com. So I see this theme come up every once in a while. Our education system is geared towards females from elementary school through college based on thoughts like the sentence above (see admission rates and graduation rates as well as the change in teaching style and test scores for the past 20 years). I thought Gen Y was above all of this gender centric stuff. When women find value in the MBA, they will apply and be accepted. Will a 'gender based' MBA be as useful as a MBA from 1985? From Penelope:

“And Harvard doesn’t need any more qualified men — Harvard has plenty. The only thing they need more of is quaified women.”

I have been reading Penelope since Brazen Careerist was just and email subscription from Bankrate.com. So I see this theme come up every once in a while. Our education system is geared towards females from elementary school through college based on thoughts like the sentence above (see admission rates and graduation rates as well as the change in teaching style and test scores for the past 20 years). I thought Gen Y was above all of this gender centric stuff. When women find value in the MBA, they will apply and be accepted.

Will a ‘gender based’ MBA be as useful as a MBA from 1985?

]]> By: Fellow Madisonian http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/09/26/business-schools-shift-to-accommodate-the-biological-clock/#comment-109013 Fellow Madisonian Mon, 01 Oct 2007 05:49:14 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/09/26/business-schools-shift-to-accommodate-the-biological-clock/#comment-109013 <i>Women no longer put their career ahead of their biological clock. We tried it for a generation and it was a massive failure.</i> I also meant to comment (and I will do so briefly) on what seems to me here to be a brazen generalization. What failure are you referring to? The one you back up here with purely anecdotal evidence? I’d be interested to know on what grounds you say that women as a whole have turned away (and with what good reason, precisely?) from childbearing in our thirties–which, as far as I know, is perfectly medically sound. * * * * * * The link to click in the sentence is on TRIED IT. Usually, you an clicke the links if you’re looking for rationale for what I’m saying. –Penelope ******** Yes, actually, I clicked there. That's what I was referring to when I mentioned "anecdotal evidence." Now, upon returning one more time to that link, I see that it's even worse: it's an anecdote from a for-profit fertility clinic. This is your evidence for a "massive" generational "failure" of late childbirth? That's what I call a generalization. Women no longer put their career ahead of their biological clock. We tried it for a generation and it was a massive failure.

I also meant to comment (and I will do so briefly) on what seems to me here to be a brazen generalization. What failure are you referring to? The one you back up here with purely anecdotal evidence? I’d be interested to know on what grounds you say that women as a whole have turned away (and with what good reason, precisely?) from childbearing in our thirties–which, as far as I know, is perfectly medically sound.

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The link to click in the sentence is on TRIED IT. Usually, you an clicke the links if you’re looking for rationale for what I’m saying.

–Penelope

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Yes, actually, I clicked there. That’s what I was referring to when I mentioned “anecdotal evidence.” Now, upon returning one more time to that link, I see that it’s even worse: it’s an anecdote from a for-profit fertility clinic. This is your evidence for a “massive” generational “failure” of late childbirth?

That’s what I call a generalization.

]]> By: Michael http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/09/26/business-schools-shift-to-accommodate-the-biological-clock/#comment-109008 Michael Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:23:53 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/09/26/business-schools-shift-to-accommodate-the-biological-clock/#comment-109008 <p>Do you have any corroboration that the change in admission policy is designed to woo women? Not that I don't agree with you - I do. I think they must be thinking that. But I was just curious if this is something you've surmised or if Harvard issued some press release to this effect. You often write in a clever way that makes it look like you have more support for your ideas and conclusions than you do and this post is no different. Again, I don't disagree with your conclusion as to their motivation but the entire time I read this post I was waiting to see a link to some article or document in which Harvard made their motivation clear because I was just curious to read their thought process. Maybe this is something they wouldn't say publicly, I don't know. Just couldn't tell from your post.</p> * * * * * * <I>There are links to the Wall St. Journal article and to the Harvard press release. You can read the evidence for yourself. That's the great thing about the Internet :) --Penelope</I> Do you have any corroboration that the change in admission policy is designed to woo women? Not that I don’t agree with you - I do. I think they must be thinking that. But I was just curious if this is something you’ve surmised or if Harvard issued some press release to this effect. You often write in a clever way that makes it look like you have more support for your ideas and conclusions than you do and this post is no different. Again, I don’t disagree with your conclusion as to their motivation but the entire time I read this post I was waiting to see a link to some article or document in which Harvard made their motivation clear because I was just curious to read their thought process. Maybe this is something they wouldn’t say publicly, I don’t know. Just couldn’t tell from your post.

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There are links to the Wall St. Journal article and to the Harvard press release. You can read the evidence for yourself. That’s the great thing about the Internet :)

–Penelope

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