Comments on: To find your best next job, focus on the company not the job http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/08/06/to-find-your-best-next-job-focus-on-the-company-not-the-job/ Advice at the intersection of work and life Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:17:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Ken Forester http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/08/06/to-find-your-best-next-job-focus-on-the-company-not-the-job/#comment-138698 Ken Forester Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:24:49 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/08/06/to-find-your-best-next-job-focus-on-the-company-not-the-job/#comment-138698 I think you should compare different jobs by their Job Security Scores (www.jobsecurityscore.com) and go for the one that comes highest for you. For me a good job is one where I will not be laid off. --Ken-- I think you should compare different jobs by their Job Security Scores (www.jobsecurityscore.com) and go for the one that comes highest for you. For me a good job is one where I will not be laid off.

–Ken–

]]> By: Ian Ybarra http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/08/06/to-find-your-best-next-job-focus-on-the-company-not-the-job/#comment-106814 Ian Ybarra Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:23:29 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/08/06/to-find-your-best-next-job-focus-on-the-company-not-the-job/#comment-106814 <strong>My book is out - RECRUIT OR DIE...</strong> Click here or on the cover to see Recruit Or Die on Amazon. Read the introduction for free Listen to my first interview about the book. Or scroll down for links to more early media mentions. Kirkus Reports - review...... My book is out - RECRUIT OR DIE…

Click here or on the cover to see Recruit Or Die on Amazon. Read the introduction for free Listen to my first interview about the book. Or scroll down for links to more early media mentions. Kirkus Reports - review……

]]> By: Modern Worker http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/08/06/to-find-your-best-next-job-focus-on-the-company-not-the-job/#comment-106090 Modern Worker Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:47:37 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/08/06/to-find-your-best-next-job-focus-on-the-company-not-the-job/#comment-106090 So very true. A job could be everything one has ever wanted, but if the company stinks then it's ruined. So very true. A job could be everything one has ever wanted, but if the company stinks then it’s ruined.

]]> By: Look at the Company, Not the Job | Job Blog : North Bay Job Finder http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/08/06/to-find-your-best-next-job-focus-on-the-company-not-the-job/#comment-105939 Look at the Company, Not the Job | Job Blog : North Bay Job Finder Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:18:57 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/08/06/to-find-your-best-next-job-focus-on-the-company-not-the-job/#comment-105939 [...] Trunk, aka the Brazen Careerist, has an excellent piece on why job seekers should be concentrating on the company, and not the individual position.  She [...] […] Trunk, aka the Brazen Careerist, has an excellent piece on why job seekers should be concentrating on the company, and not the individual position.  She […]

]]> By: I Will Teach You To Be Rich » My first book is out! It’s on recruiting young talent and it’s in bookstores everywhere http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/08/06/to-find-your-best-next-job-focus-on-the-company-not-the-job/#comment-105825 I Will Teach You To Be Rich » My first book is out! It’s on recruiting young talent and it’s in bookstores everywhere Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:30:00 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/08/06/to-find-your-best-next-job-focus-on-the-company-not-the-job/#comment-105825 [...] Penelope Trunk wrote, As a candidate, this book is a peek into the secret world of your suitors. You should understand [...] […] Penelope Trunk wrote, As a candidate, this book is a peek into the secret world of your suitors. You should understand […]

]]> By: Find the right job, use your strengths http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/08/06/to-find-your-best-next-job-focus-on-the-company-not-the-job/#comment-105823 Find the right job, use your strengths Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:14:12 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/08/06/to-find-your-best-next-job-focus-on-the-company-not-the-job/#comment-105823 [...] about strengths and work. Penelope Trunk from Brazen Careerist put out a post this week titled To find your best next job, focus on the company not the job. In it she talks about evaluating a position based on the company culture and how your strengths [...] […] about strengths and work. Penelope Trunk from Brazen Careerist put out a post this week titled To find your best next job, focus on the company not the job. In it she talks about evaluating a position based on the company culture and how your strengths […]

]]> By: Pirate Jo http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/08/06/to-find-your-best-next-job-focus-on-the-company-not-the-job/#comment-105820 Pirate Jo Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:07:26 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/08/06/to-find-your-best-next-job-focus-on-the-company-not-the-job/#comment-105820 "If firms try too hard to sell themselves, we might be buying something else than they’re actually offering." They don't just direct their overselling toward recent college grads, either. It is truly amazing, how many times I've seen an entry-level staff accountant job dressed up as a "senior financial analyst" position. Their is nothing senior-level or analytical about them, and companies could save themselves so much money if they'd just describe the position like it is and hire an entry-level person for the job. They seem to think these jobs are rocket science and an inexperienced person couldn't get in there and learn them. If they hire someone with fifteen years of experience for a routine job posting debits and credits, what on earth makes them think that person is going to stick around for any length of time? “If firms try too hard to sell themselves, we might be buying something else than they’re actually offering.”

They don’t just direct their overselling toward recent college grads, either. It is truly amazing, how many times I’ve seen an entry-level staff accountant job dressed up as a “senior financial analyst” position. Their is nothing senior-level or analytical about them, and companies could save themselves so much money if they’d just describe the position like it is and hire an entry-level person for the job. They seem to think these jobs are rocket science and an inexperienced person couldn’t get in there and learn them. If they hire someone with fifteen years of experience for a routine job posting debits and credits, what on earth makes them think that person is going to stick around for any length of time?

]]> By: Senia Maymin « this is premium writing, no? http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/08/06/to-find-your-best-next-job-focus-on-the-company-not-the-job/#comment-105817 Senia Maymin « this is premium writing, no? Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:42:55 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/08/06/to-find-your-best-next-job-focus-on-the-company-not-the-job/#comment-105817 [...] Link Published in: [...] […] Link Published in: […]

]]> By: Charlie http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/08/06/to-find-your-best-next-job-focus-on-the-company-not-the-job/#comment-105799 Charlie Wed, 08 Aug 2007 03:57:34 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/08/06/to-find-your-best-next-job-focus-on-the-company-not-the-job/#comment-105799 I agree. Our work environment also matters. I think it shouldn't be just company match, but it should be both. There should be balance in this area. I agree. Our work environment also matters. I think it shouldn’t be just company match, but it should be both. There should be balance in this area.

]]> By: Dawn http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/08/06/to-find-your-best-next-job-focus-on-the-company-not-the-job/#comment-105769 Dawn Tue, 07 Aug 2007 21:02:03 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/08/06/to-find-your-best-next-job-focus-on-the-company-not-the-job/#comment-105769 Last fall I entered my senior year of college terrified of ending up unemployed and homeless come graduation. I would never have believed Recruit or Die in the statement that employees have the upper hand. Sit through one 'information session' led by McKinsey or Goldman Sachs at my school, among hundreds of your anxious peers, and it's hard to be optimistic that you'll be in that very small group of offerees. But, indeed, in the end I ended up with multiple job offers one of me to go around. The same was true for all my friends. I quickly realized how much time, money and energy these firms put into marketing themselves. They work so hard to get students to those information sessions, to make themselves look like the most desireable, the most prestigious. Would I have taken the job I did if I didn't at all care about the perception of others? No, of course not! I'd be working 40 hours a week somewhere far less stressful. This therefore brings me to my next point: how truthful are companies being in their marketing schemes? I myself ended up at a bulge bracket investment bank for a summer with incredibly high expectations and, therefore, a lot of disappointment and, at the end of my internship, the certainty that I'd at least ruled one career out. With all the question and answer sessions, the coffee chats with current employees, the sell weekends and the one-on-ones with partners at these different firms, very few--if any--people will give an accurate and realistic depiction of what work will be like and what the demands will be. If a someone from a firm is trying to convince an employee to sign an agreement to work for them, he or she is not going to talk about the occasional (or frequent) 100-hour work weeks or the extent of data-crunching in Excel. Basically: employees have power, but we need information too. If firms try too hard to sell themselves, we might be buying something else than they're actually offering. Last fall I entered my senior year of college terrified of ending up unemployed and homeless come graduation. I would never have believed Recruit or Die in the statement that employees have the upper hand. Sit through one ‘information session’ led by McKinsey or Goldman Sachs at my school, among hundreds of your anxious peers, and it’s hard to be optimistic that you’ll be in that very small group of offerees. But, indeed, in the end I ended up with multiple job offers one of me to go around. The same was true for all my friends. I quickly realized how much time, money and energy these firms put into marketing themselves. They work so hard to get students to those information sessions, to make themselves look like the most desireable, the most prestigious. Would I have taken the job I did if I didn’t at all care about the perception of others? No, of course not! I’d be working 40 hours a week somewhere far less stressful.
This therefore brings me to my next point: how truthful are companies being in their marketing schemes? I myself ended up at a bulge bracket investment bank for a summer with incredibly high expectations and, therefore, a lot of disappointment and, at the end of my internship, the certainty that I’d at least ruled one career out. With all the question and answer sessions, the coffee chats with current employees, the sell weekends and the one-on-ones with partners at these different firms, very few–if any–people will give an accurate and realistic depiction of what work will be like and what the demands will be. If a someone from a firm is trying to convince an employee to sign an agreement to work for them, he or she is not going to talk about the occasional (or frequent) 100-hour work weeks or the extent of data-crunching in Excel.

Basically: employees have power, but we need information too. If firms try too hard to sell themselves, we might be buying something else than they’re actually offering.

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