Comments on: Twentysomething: Memo to managers to watch your mouth! http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/07/24/twentysomething-memo-to-managers-to-watch-your-mouth/ Advice at the intersection of work and life Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:05:50 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Onslow http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/07/24/twentysomething-memo-to-managers-to-watch-your-mouth/comment-page-2/#comment-183196 Onslow Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:51:31 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/07/24/twentysomething-memo-to-managers-to-watch-your-mouth/#comment-183196 Give please. The charity that hastens to proclaim its good deeds, ceases to be charity, and is only pride and ostentation. I am from Senegal and learning to speak English, tell me right I wrote the following sentence: "Visit aegean web site, find out its schedules, promotions and news and make your ticket reservation on line." Waiting for a reply :P, Onslow. Give please. The charity that hastens to proclaim its good deeds, ceases to be charity, and is only pride and ostentation.
I am from Senegal and learning to speak English, tell me right I wrote the following sentence: "Visit aegean web site, find out its schedules, promotions and news and make your ticket reservation on line."

Waiting for a reply :P, Onslow.

]]> By: Brazen Adoration « Laurie Ruettimann http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/07/24/twentysomething-memo-to-managers-to-watch-your-mouth/comment-page-1/#comment-105405 Brazen Adoration « Laurie Ruettimann Thu, 02 Aug 2007 15:58:11 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/07/24/twentysomething-memo-to-managers-to-watch-your-mouth/#comment-105405 [...] want to say about their workforce but are too constrained by the lawyers to do it. Her article on how to manage twenty-somethings is a sharp, focused piece of writing. It should be a primer for leaders in the field of IT and [...] [...] want to say about their workforce but are too constrained by the lawyers to do it. Her article on how to manage twenty-somethings is a sharp, focused piece of writing. It should be a primer for leaders in the field of IT and [...]

]]> By: L. Bates http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/07/24/twentysomething-memo-to-managers-to-watch-your-mouth/comment-page-1/#comment-105131 L. Bates Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:28:15 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/07/24/twentysomething-memo-to-managers-to-watch-your-mouth/#comment-105131 Your advice is interesting, but not all of it is well-thought out, IMHO. First, many companies do not allow iPods in the office, particularly in the technology sector. Why, you ask? Because an iPod is not just a music and video device. IT'S A HARD DRIVE. It's easy to copy your files, potentially confidential information, and company-owned work product onto a device that can be made to look innocuous. Second, paying your dues is...just that. I think your comment about rephrasing it as "selilng yourself" is a result of the baby boomers ruining Gen Y by making everything softer to protect self-esteem. Stop being polictically correct and PAY YOUR DUES. There's 20,000 other kids like you graduating b-school every May. You won't have everything softened up for you by us baby boomers and Gen X'ers that will be around for AT LEAST another 30 years. Your advice is interesting, but not all of it is well-thought out, IMHO.

First, many companies do not allow iPods in the office, particularly in the technology sector. Why, you ask? Because an iPod is not just a music and video device. IT'S A HARD DRIVE. It's easy to copy your files, potentially confidential information, and company-owned work product onto a device that can be made to look innocuous.

Second, paying your dues is…just that. I think your comment about rephrasing it as "selilng yourself" is a result of the baby boomers ruining Gen Y by making everything softer to protect self-esteem. Stop being polictically correct and PAY YOUR DUES. There's 20,000 other kids like you graduating b-school every May. You won't have everything softened up for you by us baby boomers and Gen X'ers that will be around for AT LEAST another 30 years.

]]> By: Helen http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/07/24/twentysomething-memo-to-managers-to-watch-your-mouth/comment-page-1/#comment-104993 Helen Sat, 28 Jul 2007 01:51:08 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/07/24/twentysomething-memo-to-managers-to-watch-your-mouth/#comment-104993 I've heard managers talk about and I think it's indeed inappropriate. Statements like this make it look like managers are all superior. Employees will certainly don't like it. I've heard managers talk about and I think it's indeed inappropriate. Statements like this make it look like managers are all superior. Employees will certainly don't like it.

]]> By: Alan http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/07/24/twentysomething-memo-to-managers-to-watch-your-mouth/comment-page-1/#comment-104930 Alan Fri, 27 Jul 2007 02:48:00 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/07/24/twentysomething-memo-to-managers-to-watch-your-mouth/#comment-104930 I think it's reasonable. We are human being and we have feelings. Even if their statements are not intentional, we always look our for it's meaning. I think it's reasonable. We are human being and we have feelings. Even if their statements are not intentional, we always look our for it's meaning.

]]> By: dave http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/07/24/twentysomething-memo-to-managers-to-watch-your-mouth/comment-page-1/#comment-104905 dave Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:26:07 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/07/24/twentysomething-memo-to-managers-to-watch-your-mouth/#comment-104905 I was amused to see an article in today's _New York Times_ on this very topic. And, of course, Ryan showing up in the article, sounding rude and entitled. I was amused to see an article in today's _New York Times_ on this very topic. And, of course, Ryan showing up in the article, sounding rude and entitled.

]]> By: Fran http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/07/24/twentysomething-memo-to-managers-to-watch-your-mouth/comment-page-1/#comment-104851 Fran Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:17:41 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/07/24/twentysomething-memo-to-managers-to-watch-your-mouth/#comment-104851 I agree with the list, especially the first one. It isn't necessary to get rid of other people's gadgets, especially if it has a contribution to that person's performance. I agree with the list, especially the first one. It isn't necessary to get rid of other people's gadgets, especially if it has a contribution to that person's performance.

]]> By: Lea http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/07/24/twentysomething-memo-to-managers-to-watch-your-mouth/comment-page-1/#comment-104835 Lea Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:57:01 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/07/24/twentysomething-memo-to-managers-to-watch-your-mouth/#comment-104835 <i>Hey I have a question, more like a dilemma, I have this problem of getting annoyed when my supervisor sends me a appreciation mail, somehow I feel its fake, and he is just being formal here, If he really feels like appreciating he can copy the whole team right, but all my friends feel its just my mindset which needs to change, what do you say, how should supervisors appreciate. ******** If praise or appreciation sounds fake, it probably is. I hate hearing “good job today,” when I didn’t really do anything great. For appreciation to be legitimate, there must be a legitimate reason behind it, and the manager should articulate that to you. </i> To Rambler: Your boss is sending you an appreciation by e-mail in order for it to be documented and seen by the other people you work with. Why document? All those e-mails will add up by the time you get your evaulation, and your boss can use the e-mails as proof that you deserve a raise. Do those e-mails seem so worthless now???? Ryan: How do *you* know that you didn't do anything great to get that e-mail? Unless you're monitoring the work and productivity of all of your coworkers and/or team members, AND you have a psychic connection regarding what your boss wants done on any given day, take the appreciation at face value. You can always respond with, "Thanks! I have even more in the works that I think you'll be happy with." That type of response shows that you appreciate the effort that was taken to document your work (see my response to Rambler), and shows that you have more to offer. Or use it as an opportunity to call attention to a project you felt you rocked and get your boss' feedback: "I appreciate the note! By the way, have you had a chance to look at what I did with X? I'd love to get your feedback." Both of you might want feedback from your managers that YOU feel is more meaningful, but you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Manage up by appreciating what your boss is actually doing, because a lot of them don't have time to bother. THEN follow up with a request that will point your boss in the direction that you want him/her to look. Hey I have a question, more like a dilemma, I have this problem of getting annoyed when my supervisor sends me a appreciation mail, somehow I feel its fake, and he is just being formal here, If he really feels like appreciating he can copy the whole team right, but all my friends feel its just my mindset which needs to change, what do you say, how should supervisors appreciate.

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If praise or appreciation sounds fake, it probably is. I hate hearing “good job today,” when I didn’t really do anything great. For appreciation to be legitimate, there must be a legitimate reason behind it, and the manager should articulate that to you.

To Rambler: Your boss is sending you an appreciation by e-mail in order for it to be documented and seen by the other people you work with. Why document? All those e-mails will add up by the time you get your evaulation, and your boss can use the e-mails as proof that you deserve a raise.

Do those e-mails seem so worthless now????

Ryan: How do *you* know that you didn't do anything great to get that e-mail? Unless you're monitoring the work and productivity of all of your coworkers and/or team members, AND you have a psychic connection regarding what your boss wants done on any given day, take the appreciation at face value. You can always respond with, "Thanks! I have even more in the works that I think you'll be happy with." That type of response shows that you appreciate the effort that was taken to document your work (see my response to Rambler), and shows that you have more to offer. Or use it as an opportunity to call attention to a project you felt you rocked and get your boss' feedback: "I appreciate the note! By the way, have you had a chance to look at what I did with X? I'd love to get your feedback."

Both of you might want feedback from your managers that YOU feel is more meaningful, but you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Manage up by appreciating what your boss is actually doing, because a lot of them don't have time to bother. THEN follow up with a request that will point your boss in the direction that you want him/her to look.

]]> By: cynicalaboutbloggers http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/07/24/twentysomething-memo-to-managers-to-watch-your-mouth/comment-page-1/#comment-104834 cynicalaboutbloggers Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:44:31 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/07/24/twentysomething-memo-to-managers-to-watch-your-mouth/#comment-104834 What a self-indulgent waste of space. I hope you are still blogging in 10 years so you can tell us how all this "advice" worked out for you. Get back to the mailroom - I guess it's OK to wear your iPod there... What a self-indulgent waste of space. I hope you are still blogging in 10 years so you can tell us how all this "advice" worked out for you. Get back to the mailroom – I guess it's OK to wear your iPod there…

]]> By: Anonymous Coward http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/07/24/twentysomething-memo-to-managers-to-watch-your-mouth/comment-page-1/#comment-104821 Anonymous Coward Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:20:24 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/07/24/twentysomething-memo-to-managers-to-watch-your-mouth/#comment-104821 To top this off, the focus on emotional intelligence and "self-searching" flooded the workspace with people who are both stupid (low IQ) and not motivated to achieve greatness in what they do (search for random crap all the time :-)) Will Gen Z (?) be even more so? In this case, welcome to the world of China, Japan, India or whatever country (in this case, doesn't matter) and goodbye to the world of USA, the empire fallen by laziness and stupidity ... Sad indeed... However, many of the comments about top performers do give me hope... they really do. To top this off, the focus on emotional intelligence and "self-searching" flooded the workspace with people who are both stupid (low IQ) and not motivated to achieve greatness in what they do (search for random crap all the time :-))

Will Gen Z (?) be even more so? In this case, welcome to the world of China, Japan, India or whatever country (in this case, doesn't matter) and goodbye to the world of USA, the empire fallen by laziness and stupidity …

Sad indeed…

However, many of the comments about top performers do give me hope… they really do.

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