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	<title>Comments on: Twentysomething: Raunchy old photos will be part of the revolution</title>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve nothing to back it up, of course, but couldn&#039;t having our social lives open be actually pretty old-hat? Before the internet and before wide-ranging travel, communities were generally close-knit (or so I hear) and everyone knew what everyone got up to... so your spare-time activities were just as much under scrutiny and judgement as today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve nothing to back it up, of course, but couldn&#039;t having our social lives open be actually pretty old-hat? Before the internet and before wide-ranging travel, communities were generally close-knit (or so I hear) and everyone knew what everyone got up to&#8230; so your spare-time activities were just as much under scrutiny and judgement as today.</p>
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		<title>By: Benny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to live in Ryan&#039;s ideal world, where people are not judged based on what they do when they&#039;re not at work.

But I&#039;ve realized that the majority of people still don&#039;t think that way. Children like to pretend that their parents don&#039;t have sex and parents like to pretend that their children don&#039;t have sex. Likewise, employers like to pretend that their employees don&#039;t cut loose and do embarrassing things after work.

One of my friends, in the early days of social networking, got fired from a teaching position because his employer saw a picture of him smoking pot at a party. Surely he was not the first teacher to ever smoke pot, and I&#039;m sure his employer knew that. But the moment the employer could no longer pretend her employee wasn&#039;t a stoner, she fired him.

Now that I think about it, maybe Ryan&#039;s world is NOT ideal. Maybe it&#039;s good to be able to pretend our co-workers don&#039;t have lives. It&#039;s comforting. I can&#039;t help but agree with the previous comment that &quot;The only reason that the younger generation wants to blend work and social life is because they don&#039;t have enought time for a social life due to work commitments.&quot; That, if anything, is what needs to change. The more time you have to go home, take your work mask off, and rush the football field, the less it matters what your employer thinks of the &quot;real you.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;d like to live in Ryan&#039;s ideal world, where people are not judged based on what they do when they&#039;re not at work.</p>
<p>But I&#039;ve realized that the majority of people still don&#039;t think that way. Children like to pretend that their parents don&#039;t have sex and parents like to pretend that their children don&#039;t have sex. Likewise, employers like to pretend that their employees don&#039;t cut loose and do embarrassing things after work.</p>
<p>One of my friends, in the early days of social networking, got fired from a teaching position because his employer saw a picture of him smoking pot at a party. Surely he was not the first teacher to ever smoke pot, and I&#039;m sure his employer knew that. But the moment the employer could no longer pretend her employee wasn&#039;t a stoner, she fired him.</p>
<p>Now that I think about it, maybe Ryan&#039;s world is NOT ideal. Maybe it&#039;s good to be able to pretend our co-workers don&#039;t have lives. It&#039;s comforting. I can&#039;t help but agree with the previous comment that &#034;The only reason that the younger generation wants to blend work and social life is because they don&#039;t have enought time for a social life due to work commitments.&#034; That, if anything, is what needs to change. The more time you have to go home, take your work mask off, and rush the football field, the less it matters what your employer thinks of the &#034;real you.&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: 5ew49e</title>
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		<dc:creator>5ew49e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 19:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that this is a nuanced issue.  Perhaps some people would rather live at home than work for someone who is &#039;uptight&#039; enough to do a background check, and that might be acceptable when you are 22.  However, that content is going to stay around forever, and living at home in your 30s because of some &#039;art photos&#039; is a pathetic waste.  Live your life. Be genuine in all that you do, but don&#039;t expect the baby boomers out there to understand why you will still be a great employee despite the drunken debauchery that is evidenced all over your website (or Facebook page, etc).  I am a Gen-Xer who covers her tattoos and takes out the facial piercings before an interview. When an employer knows me, then I put them in and haven&#039;t had any problems.  Providing too much information out there is just asking for discrimination. It being wrong won&#039;t pay the rent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that this is a nuanced issue.  Perhaps some people would rather live at home than work for someone who is &#039;uptight&#039; enough to do a background check, and that might be acceptable when you are 22.  However, that content is going to stay around forever, and living at home in your 30s because of some &#039;art photos&#039; is a pathetic waste.  Live your life. Be genuine in all that you do, but don&#039;t expect the baby boomers out there to understand why you will still be a great employee despite the drunken debauchery that is evidenced all over your website (or Facebook page, etc).  I am a Gen-Xer who covers her tattoos and takes out the facial piercings before an interview. When an employer knows me, then I put them in and haven&#039;t had any problems.  Providing too much information out there is just asking for discrimination. It being wrong won&#039;t pay the rent.</p>
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		<title>By: Say What You Want Online. Ha. &#171; The Dice News Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Say What You Want Online. Ha. &#171; The Dice News Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] one should hold their personal Web pages against them. I&#8217;ve seen others make that argument - often on Career blogs, which stuns me.  Right or wrong, whether you like it or not, employers and bosses are going to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] one should hold their personal Web pages against them. I&#039;ve seen others make that argument &#8211; often on Career blogs, which stuns me.  Right or wrong, whether you like it or not, employers and bosses are going to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ist Web 2.0 schädlich für die persönliche Reputation? &#124; HANDEL HEISST WANDEL // MEYER-HENTSCHEL.NET</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/06/05/twentysomething-raunchy-old-photos-will-be-part-of-the-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-146435</link>
		<dc:creator>Ist Web 2.0 schädlich für die persönliche Reputation? &#124; HANDEL HEISST WANDEL // MEYER-HENTSCHEL.NET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ryan Healy ruft dazu auf, die h&#246;here Transparenz auch als Chance zu nutzen: F&#252;r die Generation der „Millenials“ verschmelzen die private und berufliche Welt st&#228;rker und stellen keinen Widerspruch dar, sondern tragen vielmehr zur Authentizit&#228;t bei. Dies unterstreicht auch die Hamburger Professorin Sabine Trepte: Prinzipiell ist denkbar, dass auch hier eine Habitualisierung stattfindet, dass es also nicht mehr als au&#223;ergew&#246;hnlich, sondern als ‚normal&#8217; empfunden wird, wenn wir in der &#214;ffentlichkeit &#252;ber intime Details sprechen. &#8220;Privatheit, privacy, Privatsph&#228;re sind Begriffe, die sich auf den Wertekanon der b&#252;rgerlichen Gesellschaft des 19. Jahrhundert beziehen&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ryan Healy ruft dazu auf, die h&#246;here Transparenz auch als Chance zu nutzen: F&#252;r die Generation der „Millenials“ verschmelzen die private und berufliche Welt st&#228;rker und stellen keinen Widerspruch dar, sondern tragen vielmehr zur Authentizit&#228;t bei. Dies unterstreicht auch die Hamburger Professorin Sabine Trepte: Prinzipiell ist denkbar, dass auch hier eine Habitualisierung stattfindet, dass es also nicht mehr als au&#223;ergew&#246;hnlich, sondern als ‚normal&#039; empfunden wird, wenn wir in der &#214;ffentlichkeit &#252;ber intime Details sprechen. &#034;Privatheit, privacy, Privatsph&#228;re sind Begriffe, die sich auf den Wertekanon der b&#252;rgerlichen Gesellschaft des 19. Jahrhundert beziehen&#034; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: schonleben mittendrin: Politik, Internet, Medien, Sport und Kultur. Ein subjektiver Erfahrungsbericht. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Online Self-Marketing</title>
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		<dc:creator>schonleben mittendrin: Politik, Internet, Medien, Sport und Kultur. Ein subjektiver Erfahrungsbericht. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Online Self-Marketing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 09:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] interessante These vertritt auch Ryan Healy. Sie fordert einen gänzlich entspannten Umgang mit dem neuen Medium Internet (im Web 2.0 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] interessante These vertritt auch Ryan Healy. Sie fordert einen gänzlich entspannten Umgang mit dem neuen Medium Internet (im Web 2.0 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JibberJobber Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Job Seeker Blogs - Why I Hate Them</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/06/05/twentysomething-raunchy-old-photos-will-be-part-of-the-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-105341</link>
		<dc:creator>JibberJobber Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Job Seeker Blogs - Why I Hate Them</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with you to clean it up. Ryan Healy totally disagree (but we&#8217;ve agreed to disagree :p) in Penelope Trunk&#8217;s blog. My question is, will Ryan Smith regret this blog in 10 years? Even if Google does start erasing [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] with you to clean it up. Ryan Healy totally disagree (but we&#039;ve agreed to disagree :p) in Penelope Trunk&#039;s blog. My question is, will Ryan Smith regret this blog in 10 years? Even if Google does start erasing [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Employee Evolution - Raunchy old photos will be part of the revolution</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/06/05/twentysomething-raunchy-old-photos-will-be-part-of-the-revolution/comment-page-1/#comment-104324</link>
		<dc:creator>Employee Evolution - Raunchy old photos will be part of the revolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read the rest at The Brazen Careerist&#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Scott M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Robert McGovern&#039;s post.  Eventually, we are going to reach a middle ground where companies don&#039;t hold a persons MySpace page against them.

But we aren&#039;t there yet.

Anyway, here&#039;s what bugs me:  People who make themselves different from everyone else, then are shocked that they are treated differently.  And the online world makes it bot easier to show your differences and for people to see them.

Hey, if you want to wear a tattoo, or dye your hair purple, or wear low-cut blouses, or post pictures of yourself mooning the camera, that&#039;s fine.  It&#039;s your choice.  There are lots of places where that is normal of even expected (I don&#039;t care one way or the other).

However, if it&#039;s different than what everyone else is doing, you must expect that people WILL treat you differently because of it.  You&#039;ll be an outsider.  If you are prepared for that, and can handle it (or even enjoy it), that&#039;s great!

But don&#039;t complain that you aren&#039;t accepted.  Don&#039;t whine that your straight-laced boss seems to treat you differently after he sees the online pictures of you at the strip club.  Or that your very liberal coworkers don&#039;t seem to include you in office discussions after reading your passionate post on an pro-choice webpage.  Or that coworkers of the opposite genderin seem to leer at you (short of sexual harrasment) after they see a picture of you half-nude at Mardi Gras.

The problem is that SOMETHING we do is considered different to SOME group of people in our lives.  We ALL present different aspects of ourselves to different groups of people.  We present one face our parents, another face to our friends, and a different face to our coworkers (and sometimes a completely different face when we are alone).  At work, we keep things professional.   We avoid topics that can be controversial, in order to keep our workplace relationships pleasant.  

But posting stuff online under your real name defeats all that.  I don&#039;t see much difference between telling a off-color joke on a web page (and signing it with your real name), and telling that same joke at work.  If it&#039;s there, someone will find it.  And you can&#039;t blame them for acting differently around you if they do.

YOU have control.  Exercise it or accept the consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Robert McGovern&#039;s post.  Eventually, we are going to reach a middle ground where companies don&#039;t hold a persons MySpace page against them.</p>
<p>But we aren&#039;t there yet.</p>
<p>Anyway, here&#039;s what bugs me:  People who make themselves different from everyone else, then are shocked that they are treated differently.  And the online world makes it bot easier to show your differences and for people to see them.</p>
<p>Hey, if you want to wear a tattoo, or dye your hair purple, or wear low-cut blouses, or post pictures of yourself mooning the camera, that&#039;s fine.  It&#039;s your choice.  There are lots of places where that is normal of even expected (I don&#039;t care one way or the other).</p>
<p>However, if it&#039;s different than what everyone else is doing, you must expect that people WILL treat you differently because of it.  You&#039;ll be an outsider.  If you are prepared for that, and can handle it (or even enjoy it), that&#039;s great!</p>
<p>But don&#039;t complain that you aren&#039;t accepted.  Don&#039;t whine that your straight-laced boss seems to treat you differently after he sees the online pictures of you at the strip club.  Or that your very liberal coworkers don&#039;t seem to include you in office discussions after reading your passionate post on an pro-choice webpage.  Or that coworkers of the opposite genderin seem to leer at you (short of sexual harrasment) after they see a picture of you half-nude at Mardi Gras.</p>
<p>The problem is that SOMETHING we do is considered different to SOME group of people in our lives.  We ALL present different aspects of ourselves to different groups of people.  We present one face our parents, another face to our friends, and a different face to our coworkers (and sometimes a completely different face when we are alone).  At work, we keep things professional.   We avoid topics that can be controversial, in order to keep our workplace relationships pleasant.  </p>
<p>But posting stuff online under your real name defeats all that.  I don&#039;t see much difference between telling a off-color joke on a web page (and signing it with your real name), and telling that same joke at work.  If it&#039;s there, someone will find it.  And you can&#039;t blame them for acting differently around you if they do.</p>
<p>YOU have control.  Exercise it or accept the consequences.</p>
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