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	<title>Comments on: Twentysomething: Raunchy old photos will be part of the revolution</title>
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		<title>By: raunchy old women</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/06/05/twentysomething-raunchy-old-photos-will-be-part-of-the-revolution/#comment-146683</link>
		<dc:creator>raunchy old women</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 10:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] photos will be part of the revolution ... &#38;187 Employee Evolution - raunchy old photos will be ...http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/06/05/twentysomething-raunchy-old-photos-will-be-part-of-the-revo...Live from New York - Richmond Style WeeklyIt??s fairly raunchy, not exactly the kind of humor [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] photos will be part of the revolution &#8230; &#38;187 Employee Evolution - raunchy old photos will be &#8230;http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/06/05/twentysomething-raunchy-old-photos-will-be-part-of-the-revo&#8230;Live from New York - Richmond Style WeeklyIt??s fairly raunchy, not exactly the kind of humor [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Ist Web 2.0 schädlich für die persönliche Reputation? &#124; HANDEL HEISST WANDEL // MEYER-HENTSCHEL.NET</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/06/05/twentysomething-raunchy-old-photos-will-be-part-of-the-revolution/#comment-146435</link>
		<dc:creator>Ist Web 2.0 schädlich für die persönliche Reputation? &#124; HANDEL HEISST WANDEL // MEYER-HENTSCHEL.NET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/06/05/twentysomething-raunchy-old-photos-will-be-part-of-the-revolution/#comment-146435</guid>
		<description>[...] Ryan Healy ruft dazu auf, die h&#246;here Transparenz auch als Chance zu nutzen: F&#252;r die Generation der „Millenials“ verschmelzen die private und berufliche Welt st&#228;rker und stellen keinen Widerspruch dar, sondern tragen vielmehr zur Authentizit&#228;t bei. Dies unterstreicht auch die Hamburger Professorin Sabine Trepte: Prinzipiell ist denkbar, dass auch hier eine Habitualisierung stattfindet, dass es also nicht mehr als au&#223;ergew&#246;hnlich, sondern als ‚normal&#8217; empfunden wird, wenn wir in der &#214;ffentlichkeit &#252;ber intime Details sprechen. &#8220;Privatheit, privacy, Privatsph&#228;re sind Begriffe, die sich auf den Wertekanon der b&#252;rgerlichen Gesellschaft des 19. Jahrhundert beziehen&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Ryan Healy ruft dazu auf, die h&#246;here Transparenz auch als Chance zu nutzen: F&#252;r die Generation der „Millenials“ verschmelzen die private und berufliche Welt st&#228;rker und stellen keinen Widerspruch dar, sondern tragen vielmehr zur Authentizit&#228;t bei. Dies unterstreicht auch die Hamburger Professorin Sabine Trepte: Prinzipiell ist denkbar, dass auch hier eine Habitualisierung stattfindet, dass es also nicht mehr als au&#223;ergew&#246;hnlich, sondern als ‚normal&#8217; empfunden wird, wenn wir in der &#214;ffentlichkeit &#252;ber intime Details sprechen. &#8220;Privatheit, privacy, Privatsph&#228;re sind Begriffe, die sich auf den Wertekanon der b&#252;rgerlichen Gesellschaft des 19. Jahrhundert beziehen&#8221; [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Platon</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/06/05/twentysomething-raunchy-old-photos-will-be-part-of-the-revolution/#comment-113199</link>
		<dc:creator>Platon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/06/05/twentysomething-raunchy-old-photos-will-be-part-of-the-revolution/#comment-113199</guid>
		<description>Nice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice</p>
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		<title>By: schonleben mittendrin: Politik, Internet, Medien, Sport und Kultur. Ein subjektiver Erfahrungsbericht. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Online Self-Marketing</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/06/05/twentysomething-raunchy-old-photos-will-be-part-of-the-revolution/#comment-105561</link>
		<dc:creator>schonleben mittendrin: Politik, Internet, Medien, Sport und Kultur. Ein subjektiver Erfahrungsbericht. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Online Self-Marketing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 09:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/06/05/twentysomething-raunchy-old-photos-will-be-part-of-the-revolution/#comment-105561</guid>
		<description>[...] interessante These vertritt auch Ryan Healy. Sie fordert einen gänzlich entspannten Umgang mit dem neuen Medium Internet (im Web 2.0 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] interessante These vertritt auch Ryan Healy. Sie fordert einen gänzlich entspannten Umgang mit dem neuen Medium Internet (im Web 2.0 [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: JibberJobber Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Job Seeker Blogs - Why I Hate Them</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/06/05/twentysomething-raunchy-old-photos-will-be-part-of-the-revolution/#comment-105341</link>
		<dc:creator>JibberJobber Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Job Seeker Blogs - Why I Hate Them</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/06/05/twentysomething-raunchy-old-photos-will-be-part-of-the-revolution/#comment-105341</guid>
		<description>[...] with you to clean it up. Ryan Healy totally disagree (but we&#8217;ve agreed to disagree :p) in Penelope Trunk&#8217;s blog. My question is, will Ryan Smith regret this blog in 10 years? Even if Google does start erasing [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] with you to clean it up. Ryan Healy totally disagree (but we&#8217;ve agreed to disagree :p) in Penelope Trunk&#8217;s blog. My question is, will Ryan Smith regret this blog in 10 years? Even if Google does start erasing [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Employee Evolution - Raunchy old photos will be part of the revolution</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/06/05/twentysomething-raunchy-old-photos-will-be-part-of-the-revolution/#comment-104324</link>
		<dc:creator>Employee Evolution - Raunchy old photos will be part of the revolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/06/05/twentysomething-raunchy-old-photos-will-be-part-of-the-revolution/#comment-104324</guid>
		<description>[...] Read the rest at The Brazen Careerist&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Read the rest at The Brazen Careerist&#8230; [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Scott M</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/06/05/twentysomething-raunchy-old-photos-will-be-part-of-the-revolution/#comment-103569</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/06/05/twentysomething-raunchy-old-photos-will-be-part-of-the-revolution/#comment-103569</guid>
		<description>I agree with Robert McGovern's post.  Eventually, we are going to reach a middle ground where companies don't hold a persons MySpace page against them.

But we aren't there yet.

Anyway, here's what bugs me:  People who make themselves different from everyone else, then are shocked that they are treated differently.  And the online world makes it bot easier to show your differences and for people to see them.

Hey, if you want to wear a tattoo, or dye your hair purple, or wear low-cut blouses, or post pictures of yourself mooning the camera, that's fine.  It's your choice.  There are lots of places where that is normal of even expected (I don't care one way or the other).

However, if it's different than what everyone else is doing, you must expect that people WILL treat you differently because of it.  You'll be an outsider.  If you are prepared for that, and can handle it (or even enjoy it), that's great!

But don't complain that you aren't accepted.  Don't whine that your straight-laced boss seems to treat you differently after he sees the online pictures of you at the strip club.  Or that your very liberal coworkers don't seem to include you in office discussions after reading your passionate post on an pro-choice webpage.  Or that coworkers of the opposite genderin seem to leer at you (short of sexual harrasment) after they see a picture of you half-nude at Mardi Gras.

The problem is that SOMETHING we do is considered different to SOME group of people in our lives.  We ALL present different aspects of ourselves to different groups of people.  We present one face our parents, another face to our friends, and a different face to our coworkers (and sometimes a completely different face when we are alone).  At work, we keep things professional.   We avoid topics that can be controversial, in order to keep our workplace relationships pleasant.  

But posting stuff online under your real name defeats all that.  I don't see much difference between telling a off-color joke on a web page (and signing it with your real name), and telling that same joke at work.  If it's there, someone will find it.  And you can't blame them for acting differently around you if they do.

YOU have control.  Exercise it or accept the consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Robert McGovern&#8217;s post.  Eventually, we are going to reach a middle ground where companies don&#8217;t hold a persons MySpace page against them.</p>
<p>But we aren&#8217;t there yet.</p>
<p>Anyway, here&#8217;s what bugs me:  People who make themselves different from everyone else, then are shocked that they are treated differently.  And the online world makes it bot easier to show your differences and for people to see them.</p>
<p>Hey, if you want to wear a tattoo, or dye your hair purple, or wear low-cut blouses, or post pictures of yourself mooning the camera, that&#8217;s fine.  It&#8217;s your choice.  There are lots of places where that is normal of even expected (I don&#8217;t care one way or the other).</p>
<p>However, if it&#8217;s different than what everyone else is doing, you must expect that people WILL treat you differently because of it.  You&#8217;ll be an outsider.  If you are prepared for that, and can handle it (or even enjoy it), that&#8217;s great!</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t complain that you aren&#8217;t accepted.  Don&#8217;t whine that your straight-laced boss seems to treat you differently after he sees the online pictures of you at the strip club.  Or that your very liberal coworkers don&#8217;t seem to include you in office discussions after reading your passionate post on an pro-choice webpage.  Or that coworkers of the opposite genderin seem to leer at you (short of sexual harrasment) after they see a picture of you half-nude at Mardi Gras.</p>
<p>The problem is that SOMETHING we do is considered different to SOME group of people in our lives.  We ALL present different aspects of ourselves to different groups of people.  We present one face our parents, another face to our friends, and a different face to our coworkers (and sometimes a completely different face when we are alone).  At work, we keep things professional.   We avoid topics that can be controversial, in order to keep our workplace relationships pleasant.  </p>
<p>But posting stuff online under your real name defeats all that.  I don&#8217;t see much difference between telling a off-color joke on a web page (and signing it with your real name), and telling that same joke at work.  If it&#8217;s there, someone will find it.  And you can&#8217;t blame them for acting differently around you if they do.</p>
<p>YOU have control.  Exercise it or accept the consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: Employee Evolution - Brazen Careerist: Raunchy old photos will be part of the revolution</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/06/05/twentysomething-raunchy-old-photos-will-be-part-of-the-revolution/#comment-97952</link>
		<dc:creator>Employee Evolution - Brazen Careerist: Raunchy old photos will be part of the revolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 01:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/06/05/twentysomething-raunchy-old-photos-will-be-part-of-the-revolution/#comment-97952</guid>
		<description>[...] Read the rest at The Brazen Careerist&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Read the rest at The Brazen Careerist&#8230; [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt M</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/06/05/twentysomething-raunchy-old-photos-will-be-part-of-the-revolution/#comment-91769</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/06/05/twentysomething-raunchy-old-photos-will-be-part-of-the-revolution/#comment-91769</guid>
		<description>Ryan,
I appreciate that you bring up a topic that is becoming more and more important to people. I am a twenty something myself and have seen many other people's myspace pages and personal websites but on almost every website I have seen I see items posted that I don't think you want to have there if a hiring manager was looking. I agree that there is more blurring between work life and social life but that doesn't mean that everyone is going to agree with your choices of personal life. You seem to allude to pictures of drinking and pictures from when Penn State won the football game. Although rushing the field after the big game sounds harmless to me and probably to others, the recent spate of riots on or near campuses and students setting fires should probably be seen by everyone as unacceptable behavior under any circumstances so you be the judge. Regarding drinking pictures: I have seen hundreds of pages where people have pictures of them drinking with their friends which if you just have a few is probably not a big deal. Anyone would admit that they might have a few with friends while relaxing. However, I think that the pictures of a 6ft pyramid of empty beer cans or the door you broke while drunk or the bruise from when you fell down are probably going too far and will be seen poorly by a hiring manager.  Also, some people don't just have 10 or 15 pictures of them drinking they have more like dozens of pictures of them drinking and they don't have any pictures of anything else. What do you think someone would think of your personal pursuits if they saw that?

Imagine yourself in the position of a hiring manager, what if you have a candidate that is completely qualified to do a job and the interview went fine would you check their personal website? 
what if you checked it and it turns out that the person is a neo-nazi? 
or gets themself arrested at antiwar protests every weekend? I doubt that you would have the same image of that person as if you didn't see their website.

Also, an entirely true anecdote you may be interested in: My old company used to have company season tickets at the local professional baseball stadium and if none of the managers or clients wanted the tickets them would give them to staff. The seats are literally in the front row at the rail just beyond third base. One time a staff coworker went to the game and there was a disputed call. The next day the front page of a national newspaper had photograph of the play and clearly seen in the background is our worker with a beer in one hand, pointing a finger at the player and yelling. Very few people at work seemed to notice and he really wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary that a baseball fan would do and so nothing really ever happened at work after that about.

Thanks for the good post though.

-Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan,<br />
I appreciate that you bring up a topic that is becoming more and more important to people. I am a twenty something myself and have seen many other people&#8217;s myspace pages and personal websites but on almost every website I have seen I see items posted that I don&#8217;t think you want to have there if a hiring manager was looking. I agree that there is more blurring between work life and social life but that doesn&#8217;t mean that everyone is going to agree with your choices of personal life. You seem to allude to pictures of drinking and pictures from when Penn State won the football game. Although rushing the field after the big game sounds harmless to me and probably to others, the recent spate of riots on or near campuses and students setting fires should probably be seen by everyone as unacceptable behavior under any circumstances so you be the judge. Regarding drinking pictures: I have seen hundreds of pages where people have pictures of them drinking with their friends which if you just have a few is probably not a big deal. Anyone would admit that they might have a few with friends while relaxing. However, I think that the pictures of a 6ft pyramid of empty beer cans or the door you broke while drunk or the bruise from when you fell down are probably going too far and will be seen poorly by a hiring manager.  Also, some people don&#8217;t just have 10 or 15 pictures of them drinking they have more like dozens of pictures of them drinking and they don&#8217;t have any pictures of anything else. What do you think someone would think of your personal pursuits if they saw that?</p>
<p>Imagine yourself in the position of a hiring manager, what if you have a candidate that is completely qualified to do a job and the interview went fine would you check their personal website?<br />
what if you checked it and it turns out that the person is a neo-nazi?<br />
or gets themself arrested at antiwar protests every weekend? I doubt that you would have the same image of that person as if you didn&#8217;t see their website.</p>
<p>Also, an entirely true anecdote you may be interested in: My old company used to have company season tickets at the local professional baseball stadium and if none of the managers or clients wanted the tickets them would give them to staff. The seats are literally in the front row at the rail just beyond third base. One time a staff coworker went to the game and there was a disputed call. The next day the front page of a national newspaper had photograph of the play and clearly seen in the background is our worker with a beer in one hand, pointing a finger at the player and yelling. Very few people at work seemed to notice and he really wasn&#8217;t doing anything out of the ordinary that a baseball fan would do and so nothing really ever happened at work after that about.</p>
<p>Thanks for the good post though.</p>
<p>-Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Recruiting Animal</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/06/05/twentysomething-raunchy-old-photos-will-be-part-of-the-revolution/#comment-89011</link>
		<dc:creator>Recruiting Animal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ryan, I agree with you about something. This girl likes being sexy (online) and she got a via her blog (one of the few I've heard of).

http://www.recruitingbloggers.com/rbs/2007/06/blogging_for_jo.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ryan, I agree with you about something. This girl likes being sexy (online) and she got a via her blog (one of the few I&#8217;ve heard of).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.recruitingbloggers.com/rbs/2007/06/blogging_for_jo.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.recruitingbloggers.com/rbs/2007/06/blogging_for_jo.html</a></p>
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