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		<title>By: tax marketing and operations coaching</title>
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		<dc:creator>tax marketing and operations coaching</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you for the post,.
 i think it will be very useful for me.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you for the post,.<br />
 i think it will be very useful for me.<br />
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		<title>By: Techfanatic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Techfanatic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 16:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The purpose of this post is to express my opinion which seems to be on the other side of the coin.

I am a fan of e-Learning and I also create some e-Learning materials for our company (an ISP helpdesk) aside from my job of actually training people. With my experience, I have seen the big benefits of e-Learning. Aside from the lower cost which was a highlight in the blog, it also is a very good tool in rapid information dissemination, which is very crucial for operations in our case - we need to know as much as we can in a small span of time.

I am proud to have garnered 97-100% ratings in all  of my training classes that I handled &quot;live&quot;. I recently created an e-Learning course series and I got 100% approval from our learning committee. The trainees liked it too.

I believe it all depends on how a trainer can transcribe or translate his training style to moving text, speaking &quot;instructors&quot;, and animations within the e-Learning tools.

The only reason why e-Learning should not work is if the e-Learning tools or system is solely being ran by those who know how to use it rather than an experienced trainer who would sit down on the computer and do the presentations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The purpose of this post is to express my opinion which seems to be on the other side of the coin.</p>
<p>I am a fan of e-Learning and I also create some e-Learning materials for our company (an ISP helpdesk) aside from my job of actually training people. With my experience, I have seen the big benefits of e-Learning. Aside from the lower cost which was a highlight in the blog, it also is a very good tool in rapid information dissemination, which is very crucial for operations in our case &#8211; we need to know as much as we can in a small span of time.</p>
<p>I am proud to have garnered 97-100% ratings in all  of my training classes that I handled &#034;live&#034;. I recently created an e-Learning course series and I got 100% approval from our learning committee. The trainees liked it too.</p>
<p>I believe it all depends on how a trainer can transcribe or translate his training style to moving text, speaking &#034;instructors&#034;, and animations within the e-Learning tools.</p>
<p>The only reason why e-Learning should not work is if the e-Learning tools or system is solely being ran by those who know how to use it rather than an experienced trainer who would sit down on the computer and do the presentations.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Sline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Sline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a computer programmer working at a medical school.  About 20% of employee orientation stuff was e-learning some were federally mandated courses like HIPPA.  The classroom stuff was incredibly boring and way too time consuming (class was 40% post grad including MD/PhD, 20% nurse level non post grad, 40% admin - I fell in the post grad group)

In a previous job I taught professional-level computer programming face-to-face to small classes.  It was difficult to cover the equivalent of a full college semester course in 40 hours straight - 8hrs/day for a group with widely varying backgrounds and innate intelligence.  Being an remote mentor for elearning would have helped us all immensely - those not yet up to speed could take more time.  There are now programs like that.

Being a visual/kinesthetic learner I do best at my own pace with opportunities to try things out.  I also like to push the envelope and go beyond what&#039;s being taught.

Since I have to pay for my own technical training it&#039;s a combination of books plus free or inexpensive elearning. I generally make at least 3 passes through all the technical stuff to make sure I got it. The simple stuff like HIPPA was a cursory pass and a test - missed 1 question (on an obscure detail).
 
I&#039;ve contacted a few technical book authors / elearning gurus with specific questions beyond the scope of their presentation and have gotten excellent responses.  In one case the author (of 15 books on the subject) hired me as a part-time subcontractor when she has overload - it&#039;s been a win-win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m a computer programmer working at a medical school.  About 20% of employee orientation stuff was e-learning some were federally mandated courses like HIPPA.  The classroom stuff was incredibly boring and way too time consuming (class was 40% post grad including MD/PhD, 20% nurse level non post grad, 40% admin &#8211; I fell in the post grad group)</p>
<p>In a previous job I taught professional-level computer programming face-to-face to small classes.  It was difficult to cover the equivalent of a full college semester course in 40 hours straight &#8211; 8hrs/day for a group with widely varying backgrounds and innate intelligence.  Being an remote mentor for elearning would have helped us all immensely &#8211; those not yet up to speed could take more time.  There are now programs like that.</p>
<p>Being a visual/kinesthetic learner I do best at my own pace with opportunities to try things out.  I also like to push the envelope and go beyond what&#039;s being taught.</p>
<p>Since I have to pay for my own technical training it&#039;s a combination of books plus free or inexpensive elearning. I generally make at least 3 passes through all the technical stuff to make sure I got it. The simple stuff like HIPPA was a cursory pass and a test &#8211; missed 1 question (on an obscure detail).</p>
<p>I&#039;ve contacted a few technical book authors / elearning gurus with specific questions beyond the scope of their presentation and have gotten excellent responses.  In one case the author (of 15 books on the subject) hired me as a part-time subcontractor when she has overload &#8211; it&#039;s been a win-win.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Kratochvil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Kratochvil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 03:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, while, yes, there is LOTS and LOTS of bad elearning out there (no doubt)...and I agree, as a GenXer, life is too short to deal with it...I also see a little &quot;irony&quot; from a internet blog about  &quot;hating online, no face-to-face/classroom interaction&quot;. I don&#039;t have to &quot;be with you&quot;,  and see face-to-face the people (although I am sure you are all beautiful) that have posted here.  I have to say I guess I missed a lot of that loving &quot;interactive feeling that goes on in a classroom setting.&quot; I went to high school in the late 80&#039;s and the first thing that comes to mind is Ferris Buller&#039;s class. Hmmmm...Anyone?      Anyone?    Anyone? 
Then of course maybe the majority of highschools got REALLY INTERACTIVE and FACINATING in the 90&#039;s and 00&#039;s?
Blogs, Wikis, other &quot;interactive&quot; online opportunities are not only making web sites more interesting and interactive, but are finally trickleing into elearning as well. So, I see the elearning &quot;future is so bright&quot; I have to wear interactive cool shades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, while, yes, there is LOTS and LOTS of bad elearning out there (no doubt)&#8230;and I agree, as a GenXer, life is too short to deal with it&#8230;I also see a little &#034;irony&#034; from a internet blog about  &#034;hating online, no face-to-face/classroom interaction&#034;. I don&#039;t have to &#034;be with you&#034;,  and see face-to-face the people (although I am sure you are all beautiful) that have posted here.  I have to say I guess I missed a lot of that loving &#034;interactive feeling that goes on in a classroom setting.&#034; I went to high school in the late 80&#039;s and the first thing that comes to mind is Ferris Buller&#039;s class. Hmmmm&#8230;Anyone?      Anyone?    Anyone?<br />
Then of course maybe the majority of highschools got REALLY INTERACTIVE and FACINATING in the 90&#039;s and 00&#039;s?<br />
Blogs, Wikis, other &#034;interactive&#034; online opportunities are not only making web sites more interesting and interactive, but are finally trickleing into elearning as well. So, I see the elearning &#034;future is so bright&#034; I have to wear interactive cool shades.</p>
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		<title>By: Employee Evolution - Throw away e-learning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Employee Evolution - Throw away e-learning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 21:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by Ryan Healy on Brazen Careerist [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Matt M</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/15/throw-away-e-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-73191</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 18:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a millenial and at my previous job we had extensive trainings (a grand total of 90-100 hours per year) of trainings some, in class, some e-learning. After having all of this experience I really grew to dislike some of the class room experiences more than the e-learnings. And to say that all e-learning sucks is sort of like saying all cars suck. Really cars are not the best way to get around in all areas and situations but in some cases they are essential. Plus, there are nicer, better cars which are great and there are also some junky cars out there that are not worth your time/money.

I liked e-learning because it allowed me to go at my won pace and it allowed me the flexibility to make time for it in addition to my regular work. Granted there are e-learnings that are boring and not really that informative but we had many that were very good. Some were so sophisticated that they had introductory questions at the beginning which if you scored high enough on those you were just given credit for the entire course and you were done in about 5 minutes. Others recorded the time you spent on each screen and if you appeared to click through too quickly it would stop you and force you to stay on a page for a time. Also, I am an accountant and some of the trainings involve proper documentation for audits and tax forms so you needed to have the document/form in front of you to understand the concept so e-learning was basically the best way to set it up.

I disliked in-class training more because it was strain on my regular workload to attend them, our offices were all over the country so the trainings would require some travel, when people starting asking clearly dumb (ie uninformed) questions it slowed down the pace for everyone and led to more people being distracted. Although the networking opportunities with peers were not that valuable since we had plenty of other networking opportunities surrounding meetings, events, happy hours etc. What was very valuable were the handful of trainings where the staff along with the managers, directors and partners were in the same class because it gave you an opportunity to demonstrate knowledge to these higher-ups and get a feel for their thought processes based on their questions and comments. This can also be critical to ensuring that everyone is getting the same message and understanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a millenial and at my previous job we had extensive trainings (a grand total of 90-100 hours per year) of trainings some, in class, some e-learning. After having all of this experience I really grew to dislike some of the class room experiences more than the e-learnings. And to say that all e-learning sucks is sort of like saying all cars suck. Really cars are not the best way to get around in all areas and situations but in some cases they are essential. Plus, there are nicer, better cars which are great and there are also some junky cars out there that are not worth your time/money.</p>
<p>I liked e-learning because it allowed me to go at my won pace and it allowed me the flexibility to make time for it in addition to my regular work. Granted there are e-learnings that are boring and not really that informative but we had many that were very good. Some were so sophisticated that they had introductory questions at the beginning which if you scored high enough on those you were just given credit for the entire course and you were done in about 5 minutes. Others recorded the time you spent on each screen and if you appeared to click through too quickly it would stop you and force you to stay on a page for a time. Also, I am an accountant and some of the trainings involve proper documentation for audits and tax forms so you needed to have the document/form in front of you to understand the concept so e-learning was basically the best way to set it up.</p>
<p>I disliked in-class training more because it was strain on my regular workload to attend them, our offices were all over the country so the trainings would require some travel, when people starting asking clearly dumb (ie uninformed) questions it slowed down the pace for everyone and led to more people being distracted. Although the networking opportunities with peers were not that valuable since we had plenty of other networking opportunities surrounding meetings, events, happy hours etc. What was very valuable were the handful of trainings where the staff along with the managers, directors and partners were in the same class because it gave you an opportunity to demonstrate knowledge to these higher-ups and get a feel for their thought processes based on their questions and comments. This can also be critical to ensuring that everyone is getting the same message and understanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Peggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 19:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love this post - I also hate e-learning.  Unless combined with in-person interaction it just becomes another form of spam and/or busywork.  In my role in HR is is so apparent to me that most of the problems (&quot;employee relations&quot;) issues are a direct result of lack of interpersonal connection.  People are dying for someone to talk to them and to care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love this post &#8211; I also hate e-learning.  Unless combined with in-person interaction it just becomes another form of spam and/or busywork.  In my role in HR is is so apparent to me that most of the problems (&#034;employee relations&#034;) issues are a direct result of lack of interpersonal connection.  People are dying for someone to talk to them and to care.</p>
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		<title>By: Rupa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rupa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 15:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not OK to brush aside eLearning  all together.
 
Face to Face Training and Mentoring is non existent in most companies. In this fast-paced world no one really has the time to mentor anyone in the real sense.

Elearning courses at least help you learn things on your own. 

If the learner is not interested even face to face trainings do no good.

So what is important is to make trainings interesting, be it eLearning or face to face training.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not OK to brush aside eLearning  all together.</p>
<p>Face to Face Training and Mentoring is non existent in most companies. In this fast-paced world no one really has the time to mentor anyone in the real sense.</p>
<p>Elearning courses at least help you learn things on your own. </p>
<p>If the learner is not interested even face to face trainings do no good.</p>
<p>So what is important is to make trainings interesting, be it eLearning or face to face training.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 13:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a gen-Xer in a company that uses e-Learning here are my obersvations. 

1) e-Learning is a good way to get staff through mandatory training required for accredidation in our industry. 

2) e-Learning is quick, easy to setup and allows employees to take it at any time. This is especially important in industries where we have 24/7 shifts. Like healthcare. 

3) e-Learning does not eliminate other types of learning. Our organization does not use it for orientation basics but does use it for all annual requirements. Classes about how to deal with fire, lost children, etc are online. However classes about how to be a better manager - they are in a classroom. 

Nobody really loves e-Learning. However if organizations are going to continue to spend money on development training, it&#039;s a great way to not have to spend on mandatory training.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a gen-Xer in a company that uses e-Learning here are my obersvations. </p>
<p>1) e-Learning is a good way to get staff through mandatory training required for accredidation in our industry. </p>
<p>2) e-Learning is quick, easy to setup and allows employees to take it at any time. This is especially important in industries where we have 24/7 shifts. Like healthcare. </p>
<p>3) e-Learning does not eliminate other types of learning. Our organization does not use it for orientation basics but does use it for all annual requirements. Classes about how to deal with fire, lost children, etc are online. However classes about how to be a better manager &#8211; they are in a classroom. </p>
<p>Nobody really loves e-Learning. However if organizations are going to continue to spend money on development training, it&#039;s a great way to not have to spend on mandatory training.</p>
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		<title>By: Igor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Igor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 13:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fati:

You are right and I am afraid I wasn&#039;t clear. I don&#039;t think anyone expects their company to make them happy. In fact, employees, even in what many would consider bad work situations, will make the best and almost trick themselves in to thinking they are happy. A company truly has to go out of their way to make workers unhappy.

I definitely did not mean that a job should be the **source** of a person&#039;s happiness. I really meant that if there is anything a company can do to make their employees more productive in an economically feasible way -- they should. Part of that is ensuring they are happy, like you said &quot;that is why we all run a ton of motivational events, put together reward systems and etc.&quot;

However, I believe that with Millennials you will find that motivational events, compensation-based reward systems and etc. will not work as well as it arguably has with boomers, x-ers and the all those in between. This is good for a lot of companies because the rewards that Millennials seek are not really money but more intangible things. This is also bad because this is a new way of thinking of &quot;reward systems&quot; and will take time for managers to adjust after dealing with boomers.

I am afraid I have taken this comment way off the original topic. Sorry Penelope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fati:</p>
<p>You are right and I am afraid I wasn&#039;t clear. I don&#039;t think anyone expects their company to make them happy. In fact, employees, even in what many would consider bad work situations, will make the best and almost trick themselves in to thinking they are happy. A company truly has to go out of their way to make workers unhappy.</p>
<p>I definitely did not mean that a job should be the **source** of a person&#039;s happiness. I really meant that if there is anything a company can do to make their employees more productive in an economically feasible way &#8212; they should. Part of that is ensuring they are happy, like you said &#034;that is why we all run a ton of motivational events, put together reward systems and etc.&#034;</p>
<p>However, I believe that with Millennials you will find that motivational events, compensation-based reward systems and etc. will not work as well as it arguably has with boomers, x-ers and the all those in between. This is good for a lot of companies because the rewards that Millennials seek are not really money but more intangible things. This is also bad because this is a new way of thinking of &#034;reward systems&#034; and will take time for managers to adjust after dealing with boomers.</p>
<p>I am afraid I have taken this comment way off the original topic. Sorry Penelope.</p>
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