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	<title>Comments on: Five situations when you shouldn&#039;t go to graduate school</title>
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		<title>By: reasons I&#8217;m not running to get my PhD (like so many other Berkeley grads) &#171; Collapse, Compose</title>
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		<dc:creator>reasons I&#8217;m not running to get my PhD (like so many other Berkeley grads) &#171; Collapse, Compose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 00:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] November 20th, 2011 &#167; Leave a Comment  Five situations when you shouldn&#8217;t go to graduate school &#124; Penelope Trunk Blog [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Teza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you don&#039;t now what to do..&quot;

I think Ms. Trunk might consider attending spelling classes. And maybe therapy as well - too much bitterness, dear. Arguments like &quot;I once read an essay that suggested..&quot; are making me sad. Remind me to avoid her immature articles from now on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;If you don&#039;t now what to do..&#034;</p>
<p>I think Ms. Trunk might consider attending spelling classes. And maybe therapy as well &#8211; too much bitterness, dear. Arguments like &#034;I once read an essay that suggested..&#034; are making me sad. Remind me to avoid her immature articles from now on.</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 10:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently finished a Bachelor degree and that is going to be enough for me. Of course, I thought a lot about going to graduate school, but I came to the conclusion that it was just not for me. Going to graduate school implies many things that I cannot afford. I cannot afford what it costs monetarily since I already have a loan to repay for a degree that I&#039;m not sure is going to worth all the time, effort, and money I put into it. Going to graduate school implies that you will commit your entire life to study, and study, and study. Having good grades is not enough. Having very good grades is also not enough since you have to be well liked by a professor to take you in charge if you want to pass a doctorate. I also believe that these days, too many people are getting degrees to the point that soo it won&#039;t mean anything. Some years ago, it was such an event when someone graduated with a simple Bachelor. Now, it&#039;s not much. Of course, it is much, but not in the eye of society in general anymore. I also believe that these days, it&#039;s way too risky to get into such an ammount of debt. If I ever decide to continue my education and get a graduate degree, it will be because I will have the money to pay for the courses I take and it&#039;s going to be on my own time, not full-time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently finished a Bachelor degree and that is going to be enough for me. Of course, I thought a lot about going to graduate school, but I came to the conclusion that it was just not for me. Going to graduate school implies many things that I cannot afford. I cannot afford what it costs monetarily since I already have a loan to repay for a degree that I&#039;m not sure is going to worth all the time, effort, and money I put into it. Going to graduate school implies that you will commit your entire life to study, and study, and study. Having good grades is not enough. Having very good grades is also not enough since you have to be well liked by a professor to take you in charge if you want to pass a doctorate. I also believe that these days, too many people are getting degrees to the point that soo it won&#039;t mean anything. Some years ago, it was such an event when someone graduated with a simple Bachelor. Now, it&#039;s not much. Of course, it is much, but not in the eye of society in general anymore. I also believe that these days, it&#039;s way too risky to get into such an ammount of debt. If I ever decide to continue my education and get a graduate degree, it will be because I will have the money to pay for the courses I take and it&#039;s going to be on my own time, not full-time.</p>
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		<title>By: jdizl</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdizl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 15:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahem, 

There is a big difference between the upper echelon of academia, and well, everybody else. A humanities PhD is only a weak investment if you are not able to deal with the consequences. I do not expect somebody with an MBA to understand intellectual pursuits in the same manner anyway. People who are doing MBA are almost solely interested in money as their highest priority, a pure extrinsic value, as opposed to the intrinsic value of an intellectual pursuit. The thought that one can go self study at home and equate to an elite academic program is absurd, unless you are an intellectual great as it is, then you would more than likely publish regardless of education, and be appointed honorary degrees. If you are not that, then speaking in that manner again, is absurd.
There are a multitude of problems however when it comes to career aspects. The young undergraduate is bright eyed, but often naive. They have been told to pursue their dreams, but with life, there is of course diminishing returns. 
If they KNOW they would be happy going to a non top 20-25 program in their field, with the possibility . 
The other problem is, they are so young with little life experience, how would they know what their future selves will think? Are they really going to be happy teaching at some obscure school in Nebraska? Because at that school, it is almost guaranteed nobody will ever read anything they publish anyhow, and all of these humanities kids want to be published. 
So, if you can do a PhD in humanities at a top 20-25 program, by all means pursue it. Your likelihood of getting placement at a similar program is still there, as is your likelihood of going to quite a few name brand state colleges. If it is out of that range, be comfortable with what you bargained for. 
I went down the same path previously, but I knew my limits, and I knew where I wouldn&#039;t consider living. I actually narrowed mine down to about the top 15 schools for political theory or political philosophy, if I wasn&#039;t accepted to them, it was time for real life and to face reality. There is certainly no reason those going to other schools are inherently smarter than me, they just now have a piece of paper and teach at some obscure school, community college, or adjunct and move everywhere. Not for me! I certainly hate the rat race world just as much, or more than them, but was forced to find another &quot;out&quot; instead of academia, which might have actually been worse. Be able to flourish somewhere you live, in not the perfect job. Or be forced to pick 1 or 2 spots, as those are the only job offers you have, insert random crap city. Again, no thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahem, </p>
<p>There is a big difference between the upper echelon of academia, and well, everybody else. A humanities PhD is only a weak investment if you are not able to deal with the consequences. I do not expect somebody with an MBA to understand intellectual pursuits in the same manner anyway. People who are doing MBA are almost solely interested in money as their highest priority, a pure extrinsic value, as opposed to the intrinsic value of an intellectual pursuit. The thought that one can go self study at home and equate to an elite academic program is absurd, unless you are an intellectual great as it is, then you would more than likely publish regardless of education, and be appointed honorary degrees. If you are not that, then speaking in that manner again, is absurd.<br />
There are a multitude of problems however when it comes to career aspects. The young undergraduate is bright eyed, but often naive. They have been told to pursue their dreams, but with life, there is of course diminishing returns.<br />
If they KNOW they would be happy going to a non top 20-25 program in their field, with the possibility .<br />
The other problem is, they are so young with little life experience, how would they know what their future selves will think? Are they really going to be happy teaching at some obscure school in Nebraska? Because at that school, it is almost guaranteed nobody will ever read anything they publish anyhow, and all of these humanities kids want to be published.<br />
So, if you can do a PhD in humanities at a top 20-25 program, by all means pursue it. Your likelihood of getting placement at a similar program is still there, as is your likelihood of going to quite a few name brand state colleges. If it is out of that range, be comfortable with what you bargained for.<br />
I went down the same path previously, but I knew my limits, and I knew where I wouldn&#039;t consider living. I actually narrowed mine down to about the top 15 schools for political theory or political philosophy, if I wasn&#039;t accepted to them, it was time for real life and to face reality. There is certainly no reason those going to other schools are inherently smarter than me, they just now have a piece of paper and teach at some obscure school, community college, or adjunct and move everywhere. Not for me! I certainly hate the rat race world just as much, or more than them, but was forced to find another &#034;out&#034; instead of academia, which might have actually been worse. Be able to flourish somewhere you live, in not the perfect job. Or be forced to pick 1 or 2 spots, as those are the only job offers you have, insert random crap city. Again, no thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Jenna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, go home after a long day of work when you&#039;re tired and cranky and put in a half-hearted hour or two before you zonk out.  There&#039;s a life devoted to learning! 

Some people think there&#039;s actually such a thing as an education -- you know, what might happen if one works hard under the guidance of people hopefully more capable than oneself to give serious thought to matters of real importance in life, matters that most people unfortunately are compelled to neglect in the bustle and tedium of every day necessity.  Such an opportunity is a real blessing, and I feel sorry for the author of this article, who clearly has no conception of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, go home after a long day of work when you&#039;re tired and cranky and put in a half-hearted hour or two before you zonk out.  There&#039;s a life devoted to learning! </p>
<p>Some people think there&#039;s actually such a thing as an education &#8212; you know, what might happen if one works hard under the guidance of people hopefully more capable than oneself to give serious thought to matters of real importance in life, matters that most people unfortunately are compelled to neglect in the bustle and tedium of every day necessity.  Such an opportunity is a real blessing, and I feel sorry for the author of this article, who clearly has no conception of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Valerie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 10:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many reasons I got my MBA.  Some of them make it a good decision and some of them make it a bad one.  Like most choices in life, nothing is black and white.  I learned a lot from my MBA, both inside and outside of class, just by making that decision.

I will also point out that while you can learn from reading, I&#039;ve learned far more from class interaction and discussion than I did from straight reading a book.  Night class is always an option, but I wanted something more in-depth and my current job left me in too much of a coma to be any use after the fact.  It&#039;s not the right choice for everyone and I can&#039;t say it&#039;s was completely the right choice for me either; but you learn from your decisions so right or wrong, I don&#039;t regret the decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many reasons I got my MBA.  Some of them make it a good decision and some of them make it a bad one.  Like most choices in life, nothing is black and white.  I learned a lot from my MBA, both inside and outside of class, just by making that decision.</p>
<p>I will also point out that while you can learn from reading, I&#039;ve learned far more from class interaction and discussion than I did from straight reading a book.  Night class is always an option, but I wanted something more in-depth and my current job left me in too much of a coma to be any use after the fact.  It&#039;s not the right choice for everyone and I can&#039;t say it&#039;s was completely the right choice for me either; but you learn from your decisions so right or wrong, I don&#039;t regret the decision.</p>
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		<title>By: kevinbrown</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevinbrown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe college education is the best possible way to insure a higher earning power after graduation. There are a number of different majors to choose from, all paying differently but on the whole, a college graduate will earn more money than those who do not have a college education or degree. In fact, in keeping with the increase in demand by mature students, colleges are offering more options for students who wish to return to their education even after they have entered the work force. People now realize that it is never too late to increase your earning potential or improve your chances of being promoted by seeking a higher education. Also, with many colleges offering accelerated degree programs nowadays, more and more people who had been taking break from their jobs or switching careers are returning to complete their education that was left unfinished. One such college which I know of is CollegeAmerica. Check out their &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.collegeamerica.edu&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;degree programs&lt;/a&gt; yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe college education is the best possible way to insure a higher earning power after graduation. There are a number of different majors to choose from, all paying differently but on the whole, a college graduate will earn more money than those who do not have a college education or degree. In fact, in keeping with the increase in demand by mature students, colleges are offering more options for students who wish to return to their education even after they have entered the work force. People now realize that it is never too late to increase your earning potential or improve your chances of being promoted by seeking a higher education. Also, with many colleges offering accelerated degree programs nowadays, more and more people who had been taking break from their jobs or switching careers are returning to complete their education that was left unfinished. One such college which I know of is CollegeAmerica. Check out their <a href="http://www.collegeamerica.edu" rel="nofollow">degree programs</a> yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Career Advice: Dan Schwabel vs Penelope Trunk &#124; Viralogy Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Career Advice: Dan Schwabel vs Penelope Trunk &#124; Viralogy Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ABSOLUTELY sure why you want it. Besides saying that graduate school is outdated, she states that advanced degrees in the Humanities are worthless, MBAs are only useful if you get in early, and that it is “not a way to play it safe, but it’s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ABSOLUTELY sure why you want it. Besides saying that graduate school is outdated, she states that advanced degrees in the Humanities are worthless, MBAs are only useful if you get in early, and that it is “not a way to play it safe, but it’s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Why I said ‘No’ to grad school – for now &#171; internSHARE Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why I said ‘No’ to grad school – for now &#171; internSHARE Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Luckily, I was aware enough of my own desires that I was able to succinctly state that grad school was not the right option for me. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Luckily, I was aware enough of my own desires that I was able to succinctly state that grad school was not the right option for me. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Why I said &#8216;No&#8217; to grad school – for now &#124; TalentEgg Career Incubator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why I said &#8216;No&#8217; to grad school – for now &#124; TalentEgg Career Incubator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Luckily, I was aware enough of my own desires that I was able to succinctly state that grad school was not the right option for me. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Luckily, I was aware enough of my own desires that I was able to succinctly state that grad school was not the right option for me. [...]</p>
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