Comments on: Yahoo column: Five ways to make career change easier http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/03/yahoo-column-take-the-fear-out-of-career-change/ Advice at the intersection of work and life Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:32:48 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: john http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/03/yahoo-column-take-the-fear-out-of-career-change/comment-page-1/#comment-160332 john Fri, 01 Aug 2008 09:10:58 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/03/yahoo-column-take-the-fear-out-of-career-change/#comment-160332 hello!!! hello!!!

]]> By: William Profet from OneJobTwoSalaries.com http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/03/yahoo-column-take-the-fear-out-of-career-change/comment-page-1/#comment-100792 William Profet from OneJobTwoSalaries.com Thu, 05 Jul 2007 11:03:07 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/03/yahoo-column-take-the-fear-out-of-career-change/#comment-100792 I think that the best way for someone to shange his/hers career is switch from an employee to entrepreneur. Regards, William I think that the best way for someone to shange his/hers career is switch from an employee to entrepreneur.

Regards,
William

]]> By: Laura Vanderkam http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/03/yahoo-column-take-the-fear-out-of-career-change/comment-page-1/#comment-67570 Laura Vanderkam Mon, 07 May 2007 13:31:15 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/03/yahoo-column-take-the-fear-out-of-career-change/#comment-67570 Penelope: Some people have enjoyed testing the waters on career changes by trying the new job over a vacation (Vocation Vacations, an Oregon-based company, offers this service for all sorts of "dream jobs" but it's possible to do on your own, too). I interviewed some people for a magazine who decided to go from real estate and law to chocolate making after working with a master chocolatier over vacation. At the time they were in the process of opening their store and were thrilled with the career change -- but had no illusions about what running a store entails. Something to chew on :) Penelope: Some people have enjoyed testing the waters on career changes by trying the new job over a vacation (Vocation Vacations, an Oregon-based company, offers this service for all sorts of "dream jobs" but it's possible to do on your own, too). I interviewed some people for a magazine who decided to go from real estate and law to chocolate making after working with a master chocolatier over vacation. At the time they were in the process of opening their store and were thrilled with the career change — but had no illusions about what running a store entails. Something to chew on :)

]]> By: Wendy http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/03/yahoo-column-take-the-fear-out-of-career-change/comment-page-1/#comment-66545 Wendy Fri, 04 May 2007 01:31:04 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/03/yahoo-column-take-the-fear-out-of-career-change/#comment-66545 Another hard thing I found about changing careers is dis-associating your personal identity and sense of self from your career/job. I was "a grad student" then an adjunct professor of history. Next I was a website content manager -- all these "titles" somewhat summed up what I do. And then was a year+ of looking for a new career -- and it was tough as I also felt like I'd lost some of my identity. That's the tough part. The only useful advice I ever found (might have been from Penelope, I can't remember) was to create a mission statement for yourself. What defines you and what you like to do, and hang on to this. Another hard thing I found about changing careers is dis-associating your personal identity and sense of self from your career/job.

I was "a grad student" then an adjunct professor of history. Next I was a website content manager — all these "titles" somewhat summed up what I do.

And then was a year+ of looking for a new career — and it was tough as I also felt like I'd lost some of my identity.

That's the tough part. The only useful advice I ever found (might have been from Penelope, I can't remember) was to create a mission statement for yourself. What defines you and what you like to do, and hang on to this.

]]> By: Jacqui http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/03/yahoo-column-take-the-fear-out-of-career-change/comment-page-1/#comment-66469 Jacqui Thu, 03 May 2007 18:32:42 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/03/yahoo-column-take-the-fear-out-of-career-change/#comment-66469 I think you make some very good points. I can completely relate to your significant other advice, as well, since my boyfriend is currently working two part-time jobs and going back to school to make a career change. My question relates to that situation, though. A career change that requires extra schooling brings the stress and trepidation to a whole new level. With school schedules changing every 10 weeks, there's no guarantee that the same money you're able to make this quarter will be there next quarter, but you have to keep pushing through to justify the enormous financial investment you've already made. What suggestions do you have for that situation? * * * * * * * * <em>Think very hard before going to graduate school. So many people think they need to go to meet their goals, but they don't. Or, worse, they go to make a change, but they don't know what change they  are going to make. Both situations are not good times to go to graduate school. I've posted about this here:</em><em><a href="http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2005/08/01/is-grad-school-right-for-you/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2005/08/01/is-grad-school-right-for-you/</a> -Penelope </i> </em> I think you make some very good points. I can completely relate to your significant other advice, as well, since my boyfriend is currently working two part-time jobs and going back to school to make a career change.

My question relates to that situation, though. A career change that requires extra schooling brings the stress and trepidation to a whole new level. With school schedules changing every 10 weeks, there's no guarantee that the same money you're able to make this quarter will be there next quarter, but you have to keep pushing through to justify the enormous financial investment you've already made.

What suggestions do you have for that situation?

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Think very hard before going to graduate school. So many people think they need to go to meet their goals, but they don't. Or, worse, they go to make a change, but they don't know what change they  are going to make. Both situations are not good times to go to graduate school. I've posted about this here:http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2005/08/01/is-grad-school-right-for-you/

-Penelope

]]> By: Chris Angelli http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/03/yahoo-column-take-the-fear-out-of-career-change/comment-page-1/#comment-66451 Chris Angelli Thu, 03 May 2007 17:05:19 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/03/yahoo-column-take-the-fear-out-of-career-change/#comment-66451 Penelope, I'd suggest a possible 6th step: Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Before you rush to a "career change" think about how you got to your current job. What are things the drew you there in the first place? Is there a way to make a shift that would allow you to do more of what you like and less of what you hate? Is it the career you hate or just the current incarnation? I speak from experience - as a Computer Science major, I got a "great" job when I graduated. Good pay. Good company. Blah blah blah. But I was MISERABLE. Had a horrible boss who publicly reprimanded me if I was 15 minutes late for work. The work was mindnumbing. There was no one there to mentor me. And I had to DRESS UP. So I quit, travelled for awhile, and became a teacher. But that sucked too. Eventually, I went back to software engineering, but this time in a company with flexible work hours, smart, experienced developers who taught me plenty, and work in a field that was interesting to me. Oh, and I could wear whatever I wanted. I ended up being the first to arrive and the last to leave, because I was challenged and excited about the work. Seriously. Penelope, I'd suggest a possible 6th step:

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Before you rush to a "career change" think about how you got to your current job. What are things the drew you there in the first place? Is there a way to make a shift that would allow you to do more of what you like and less of what you hate? Is it the career you hate or just the current incarnation?

I speak from experience – as a Computer Science major, I got a "great" job when I graduated. Good pay. Good company. Blah blah blah. But I was MISERABLE. Had a horrible boss who publicly reprimanded me if I was 15 minutes late for work. The work was mindnumbing. There was no one there to mentor me. And I had to DRESS UP. So I quit, travelled for awhile, and became a teacher. But that sucked too. Eventually, I went back to software engineering, but this time in a company with flexible work hours, smart, experienced developers who taught me plenty, and work in a field that was interesting to me. Oh, and I could wear whatever I wanted. I ended up being the first to arrive and the last to leave, because I was challenged and excited about the work. Seriously.

]]> By: Mary http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/03/yahoo-column-take-the-fear-out-of-career-change/comment-page-1/#comment-66420 Mary Thu, 03 May 2007 14:34:59 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/03/yahoo-column-take-the-fear-out-of-career-change/#comment-66420 I read the article and it did bring up a point I've been wondering, (since I've read it in the advance copy of your book--which is really excellent and if people don't buy immediately when it's finally for sale they are really missing out and my opinion is so unbiased) and I think others will be too. The figure of $40K being the amount that will make you happy and anything beyond is just gravy. To quote the blog post where you elaborate on this: "To someone who just spent four years in college living off nine-thousand-dollar loan stipends, an increase to forty thousand means a lot – moving from poverty to middle class. But it’s a one-time rush. After you hit the forty-thousand-dollar-range money never gives you that surge in happiness again." In this quote, its about basically going from $0 to $40,000. Of course there will be a rush. But, even if you don't get a SURGE of happiness, I think a reasonable increase will bring you happiness. Not the same roller-coaster feeling, but happy satisfaction. I know I felt that way when I hit $75,000. Could you provide the link to where the figure of $40K is given? I really feel skeptical that $40K works for a family of four. If it's from the book you cite, "Ruminations on a TwentySomething Life", I think the sequel, "Ruminations on a ThirtySomething Life with a Mortgage and Saving for my Kid's College" will offer a higher figure. However, I could be wrong--the Economist just cited that of people in Udaipur India living on a dollar a day, which for the math impaired is $365 a year, only 9% of people say their life makes them generally unhappy. http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9080048 I read the article and it did bring up a point I've been wondering, (since I've read it in the advance copy of your book–which is really excellent and if people don't buy immediately when it's finally for sale they are really missing out and my opinion is so unbiased) and I think others will be too. The figure of $40K being the amount that will make you happy and anything beyond is just gravy. To quote the blog post where you elaborate on this: "To someone who just spent four years in college living off nine-thousand-dollar loan stipends, an increase to forty thousand means a lot – moving from poverty to middle class. But it’s a one-time rush. After you hit the forty-thousand-dollar-range money never gives you that surge in happiness again."

In this quote, its about basically going from $0 to $40,000. Of course there will be a rush. But, even if you don't get a SURGE of happiness, I think a reasonable increase will bring you happiness. Not the same roller-coaster feeling, but happy satisfaction. I know I felt that way when I hit $75,000.

Could you provide the link to where the figure of $40K is given? I really feel skeptical that $40K works for a family of four. If it's from the book you cite, "Ruminations on a TwentySomething Life", I think the sequel, "Ruminations on a ThirtySomething Life with a Mortgage and Saving for my Kid's College" will offer a higher figure.

However, I could be wrong–the Economist just cited that of people in Udaipur India living on a dollar a day, which for the math impaired is $365 a year, only 9% of people say their life makes them generally unhappy.
http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9080048

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