Comments on: Forget about the wage gap. What about the Web 2.0 gap? http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/01/forget-about-the-wage-gap-what-about-the-web-20-gap/ Advice at the intersection of work and life Sun, 21 Mar 2010 12:24:50 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Angela http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/01/forget-about-the-wage-gap-what-about-the-web-20-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-215588 Angela Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:52:02 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/01/forget-about-the-wage-gap-what-about-the-web-20-gap/#comment-215588 The media tends not to be interested in statistical significance, just if it makes a good story. The media tends not to be interested in statistical significance, just if it makes a good story.

]]> By: Female doctors scapegoat for Canadian doctor shortage: National Post « Evidenced.blog http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/01/forget-about-the-wage-gap-what-about-the-web-20-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-186542 Female doctors scapegoat for Canadian doctor shortage: National Post « Evidenced.blog Sun, 31 May 2009 00:34:00 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/01/forget-about-the-wage-gap-what-about-the-web-20-gap/#comment-186542 [...] isn’t surprising. Women in general tend to lag behind men in career success once they have kids, in part because they put in fewer hours. If a woman wants to put her career on the back burner to [...] [...] isn't surprising. Women in general tend to lag behind men in career success once they have kids, in part because they put in fewer hours. If a woman wants to put her career on the back burner to [...]

]]> By: Prodvijenie Stat'Yami http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/01/forget-about-the-wage-gap-what-about-the-web-20-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-185812 Prodvijenie Stat'Yami Sun, 17 May 2009 16:57:23 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/01/forget-about-the-wage-gap-what-about-the-web-20-gap/#comment-185812 Badly need your help. The most important thing she'd learned over the years was that there was no way to be a perfect mother and a million ways to be a good one. I am from Myanmar and learning to read in English, please tell me right I wrote the following sentence: "Professional seo expert advice from a qualified seo consultant.We are a web design, web development and search engine optimisation company based in aberdeen, scotland." Thanks ;). Adesina. Badly need your help. The most important thing she'd learned over the years was that there was no way to be a perfect mother and a million ways to be a good one.
I am from Myanmar and learning to read in English, please tell me right I wrote the following sentence: "Professional seo expert advice from a qualified seo consultant.We are a web design, web development and search engine optimisation company based in aberdeen, scotland."

Thanks ;). Adesina.

]]> By: Top Entrepreneurs Are Not Young Women | Twenty Set http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/01/forget-about-the-wage-gap-what-about-the-web-20-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-138995 Top Entrepreneurs Are Not Young Women | Twenty Set Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:10:05 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/01/forget-about-the-wage-gap-what-about-the-web-20-gap/#comment-138995 [...] to know about starting a business in your twenties from men.  And Penelope Trunk, who wrote the closest piece of proof I have that this phenomenon is not just in my life but is actually happening worldwide. [...] [...] to know about starting a business in your twenties from men.  And Penelope Trunk, who wrote the closest piece of proof I have that this phenomenon is not just in my life but is actually happening worldwide. [...]

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]]> By: sb http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/01/forget-about-the-wage-gap-what-about-the-web-20-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-107020 sb Fri, 31 Aug 2007 05:44:50 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/01/forget-about-the-wage-gap-what-about-the-web-20-gap/#comment-107020 Hi Penelope.. its been great reading all your posts. They're enlightening as well as entertaining. Just a small suggestion. Although your blog is very easy to read and navigate,your site may look better if the sentences are justified. Keep up the good work!!! Hi Penelope.. its been great reading all your posts. They're enlightening as well as entertaining. Just a small suggestion. Although your blog is very easy to read and navigate,your site may look better if the sentences are justified.
Keep up the good work!!!

]]> By: Jeff http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/01/forget-about-the-wage-gap-what-about-the-web-20-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-68220 Jeff Tue, 08 May 2007 21:00:40 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/01/forget-about-the-wage-gap-what-about-the-web-20-gap/#comment-68220 The wage gap doesn't matter? Women make less because they become "distracted" by their children? I can't speak for women at large, but if I know my mother, I know that she for one would have to restrain herself from busting you in the face if you brought this apologism into her house. I think a previous commenter, Caitlin, summarizes your fallacy best: "I don’t think it’s true to say that the pay gap doesn’t matter unless there is a happiness gap. It’s also about justice." Justice. A concept I learned from my mother (I wonder how much it cost -- through "distraction" -- to teach me that). The wage gap doesn't matter? Women make less because they become "distracted" by their children?

I can't speak for women at large, but if I know my mother, I know that she for one would have to restrain herself from busting you in the face if you brought this apologism into her house. I think a previous commenter, Caitlin, summarizes your fallacy best:

"I don’t think it’s true to say that the pay gap doesn’t matter unless there is a happiness gap. It’s also about justice."

Justice. A concept I learned from my mother (I wonder how much it cost — through "distraction" — to teach me that).

]]> By: boooo, it cut me off http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/01/forget-about-the-wage-gap-what-about-the-web-20-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-66562 boooo, it cut me off Fri, 04 May 2007 03:23:35 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/01/forget-about-the-wage-gap-what-about-the-web-20-gap/#comment-66562 I recognize that this is an isolated incident, but that's a pretty strong reactionary sentiment. It's also not that much stronger than the casual banter that plays out in the server-wide discussions every night. Admissions of femininity result in either insults or come-ons. I'm sure there are plenty of women playing, but I have my doubts on how many of us would feel safe to display it. I recognize that this is an isolated incident, but that's a pretty strong reactionary sentiment. It's also not that much stronger than the casual banter that plays out in the server-wide discussions every night. Admissions of femininity result in either insults or come-ons. I'm sure there are plenty of women playing, but I have my doubts on how many of us would feel safe to display it.

]]> By: Better Person Who Has Now Read the Other Comments Yet http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/01/forget-about-the-wage-gap-what-about-the-web-20-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-66561 Better Person Who Has Now Read the Other Comments Yet Fri, 04 May 2007 03:22:48 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/01/forget-about-the-wage-gap-what-about-the-web-20-gap/#comment-66561 Whether or not more women are playing video games, the public conception is that it's still a male-dominated field. I play World of Warcraft (WoW); my guild is about 30% female but most of us are girlfriends/wives. Our guildmates are well up-to-date on who's what gender but still make public, mysogynistic complaints about non-guildies such as "I hope his penis falls off--or maybe it already did." The default assumption about anonymous players is that they are male (a second interesting assumption is that they are white). Most video game advertisements are still aimed at young men. Advertisements featuring women are generally disparaged as inaccurate (which I'm willing to concede as I personally don't know any stick-thin and gorgeous models that enjoy zoning out to Mario Cart.) Online play among women might be picking up, but I'd be curious to see numbers on console games. The climate there is generally quite anti-female participation. One last story; this is a good one. A friend of mine in her mid-30s was telling about how she was helping a lower level character on WoW. It quickly became evident that this was a young teenage male. My friend was amused by this and told him that she was old enough to be his mother. The kid was quiet for a few minutes and then exploded with a tirade about how she shouldn't be wasting all her time on video games and was failing her family. Upon informing the kid that she doesn't have children, he responded that she needs to hurry up and find a man. >.<I> Whether or not more women are playing video games, the public conception is that it's still a male-dominated field. I play World of Warcraft (WoW); my guild is about 30% female but most of us are girlfriends/wives. Our guildmates are well up-to-date on who's what gender but still make public, mysogynistic complaints about non-guildies such as "I hope his penis falls off–or maybe it already did." The default assumption about anonymous players is that they are male (a second interesting assumption is that they are white).

Most video game advertisements are still aimed at young men. Advertisements featuring women are generally disparaged as inaccurate (which I'm willing to concede as I personally don't know any stick-thin and gorgeous models that enjoy zoning out to Mario Cart.) Online play among women might be picking up, but I'd be curious to see numbers on console games. The climate there is generally quite anti-female participation.

One last story; this is a good one. A friend of mine in her mid-30s was telling about how she was helping a lower level character on WoW. It quickly became evident that this was a young teenage male. My friend was amused by this and told him that she was old enough to be his mother. The kid was quiet for a few minutes and then exploded with a tirade about how she shouldn't be wasting all her time on video games and was failing her family. Upon informing the kid that she doesn't have children, he responded that she needs to hurry up and find a man. >.

]]> By: Alan http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/01/forget-about-the-wage-gap-what-about-the-web-20-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-66537 Alan Fri, 04 May 2007 00:43:53 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/01/forget-about-the-wage-gap-what-about-the-web-20-gap/#comment-66537 I wonder when will the battle between the sexes end. There seems to be too much invovled that one group will not submit to the other. We should stop comparing and live a normal life. I wonder when will the battle between the sexes end. There seems to be too much invovled that one group will not submit to the other. We should stop comparing and live a normal life.

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