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		<title>By: Writersbloc.co.uk &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Just FYI</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/18/use-money-to-buy-time/comment-page-1/#comment-168196</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Use Money To Buy Time This made a lot of sense to me, and showed both why my job is a good and a bad thing. Even though I get paid a pittance to do what I do, for a lot of the time I only work 4 days a week, which means that I have a lot of time to do other things that make me happier. Unfortunately, due to the amount of hours I cram into those 4 days, it usually means that I have to sleep for two of my days off. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Use Money To Buy Time This made a lot of sense to me, and showed both why my job is a good and a bad thing. Even though I get paid a pittance to do what I do, for a lot of the time I only work 4 days a week, which means that I have a lot of time to do other things that make me happier. Unfortunately, due to the amount of hours I cram into those 4 days, it usually means that I have to sleep for two of my days off. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/18/use-money-to-buy-time/comment-page-1/#comment-138450</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 05:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to devote myself in meditation for a whole straight year living off the charity of a monastery. The material life was poor, but I was extremely happy, peaceful and contented.  Now back in the US, I work a lot of hours and make good money, but gradually life has become miserable.  

It&#039;s the matter of balance.  Thank you for this topic.  How smart!  You have waken me up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to devote myself in meditation for a whole straight year living off the charity of a monastery. The material life was poor, but I was extremely happy, peaceful and contented.  Now back in the US, I work a lot of hours and make good money, but gradually life has become miserable.  </p>
<p>It&#039;s the matter of balance.  Thank you for this topic.  How smart!  You have waken me up!</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 21:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, what a great post! Even if you only get through money and stuff which we are wasting our time with while there are much more things (think of anger or envy), you really got a point there. I&#039;m actually writing on an post about time myself and maybe one or two thoughts of yours will appear in my post as well.

What I really miss is the point where it comes to the money you need to survive. In fact, if you earn hardly enough to survive, you don&#039;t have the chance to decide earning less money and spending the time on important things like love. You must push yourself through the whole life, never enough to life nor to little to die. I sadly could not get a solution for this problem yet. Maybe I&#039;ll come up with one on my blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, what a great post! Even if you only get through money and stuff which we are wasting our time with while there are much more things (think of anger or envy), you really got a point there. I&#039;m actually writing on an post about time myself and maybe one or two thoughts of yours will appear in my post as well.</p>
<p>What I really miss is the point where it comes to the money you need to survive. In fact, if you earn hardly enough to survive, you don&#039;t have the chance to decide earning less money and spending the time on important things like love. You must push yourself through the whole life, never enough to life nor to little to die. I sadly could not get a solution for this problem yet. Maybe I&#039;ll come up with one on my blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/18/use-money-to-buy-time/comment-page-1/#comment-59157</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that when one has their major expenses paid down, in hindsight, it does make sense to buy time with money.  But right now, I&#039;m relatively young with a mortgage and daycare costs.  My wife and I talk about going on a date, but that date would cost quite a bit:
$48 babysitter (~$12/hr)
$20 movie tickets
$30 dinner

As you can see just the babysitter costs as much as going out (kind of like how our daycare costs just as much as our mortgage).  On one hand, I can see how scrimping is a good thing.  It&#039;s like sucking it up and studying hard in college since your GPA will open a lot of doors, whether it be for grad school or employment (I didn&#039;t get good grades, so I know first-hand).  On the otherhand, I also argue with my wife that if we don&#039;t enjoy life a little now, there may be no relationship to enjoy when it comes to retirement.

Thanks for listening,
Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that when one has their major expenses paid down, in hindsight, it does make sense to buy time with money.  But right now, I&#039;m relatively young with a mortgage and daycare costs.  My wife and I talk about going on a date, but that date would cost quite a bit:<br />
$48 babysitter (~$12/hr)<br />
$20 movie tickets<br />
$30 dinner</p>
<p>As you can see just the babysitter costs as much as going out (kind of like how our daycare costs just as much as our mortgage).  On one hand, I can see how scrimping is a good thing.  It&#039;s like sucking it up and studying hard in college since your GPA will open a lot of doors, whether it be for grad school or employment (I didn&#039;t get good grades, so I know first-hand).  On the otherhand, I also argue with my wife that if we don&#039;t enjoy life a little now, there may be no relationship to enjoy when it comes to retirement.</p>
<p>Thanks for listening,<br />
Eric</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’ve been to the US once, so I know the bus thing does not work there - but could it be applied to car pools? Or would it be considered too rude to sleep in someone else’s car?&lt;/i&gt;

Prashant: one of the most innovative companies in the US has been doing something like this with buses.

(NY Times article) http://preview.tinyurl.com/33opbz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’ve been to the US once, so I know the bus thing does not work there &#8211; but could it be applied to car pools? Or would it be considered too rude to sleep in someone else’s car?</i></p>
<p>Prashant: one of the most innovative companies in the US has been doing something like this with buses.</p>
<p>(NY Times article) <a href="http://preview.tinyurl.com/33opbz" rel="nofollow">http://preview.tinyurl.com/33opbz</a></p>
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		<title>By: finance girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>finance girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm...yes....esp. regarding buying more crap (people, stop buying crap you don&#039;t need with money you don&#039;t have!)..but...maybe too broad a brushstroke here re: the work component? 

For example, what if (btw this is not me) I love love love my high paying, high demand job, that takes up lots of time and get much reward and satisfaction from it? Well...then that&#039;s a good use of my time.

Separately, re: buying services to give myself more time, one needs to look at their true motive here.

If I hire a cleaning service, a gardener, a financial salesperson, am I doing it to get more &quot;time&quot; for relationships etc. or am I doing it because I am lazy?

Am I hiring financial salesperson to avoid educating myself financially and thus make my own financial decisions?

Am I hiring cleaning service/gardner to avoid getting some good exercise ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm&#8230;yes&#8230;.esp. regarding buying more crap (people, stop buying crap you don&#039;t need with money you don&#039;t have!)..but&#8230;maybe too broad a brushstroke here re: the work component? </p>
<p>For example, what if (btw this is not me) I love love love my high paying, high demand job, that takes up lots of time and get much reward and satisfaction from it? Well&#8230;then that&#039;s a good use of my time.</p>
<p>Separately, re: buying services to give myself more time, one needs to look at their true motive here.</p>
<p>If I hire a cleaning service, a gardener, a financial salesperson, am I doing it to get more &#034;time&#034; for relationships etc. or am I doing it because I am lazy?</p>
<p>Am I hiring financial salesperson to avoid educating myself financially and thus make my own financial decisions?</p>
<p>Am I hiring cleaning service/gardner to avoid getting some good exercise ?</p>
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		<title>By: oldguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In suggesting building a modest financial nest egg early in life may not be crazy, I didn&#039;t mean to become the spokesperson for neurotic workaholics. I left my (secure and overpaid) office job over ten years ago, and have spent the years since with family first (and, I think, was a pretty active dad before even while working hard - it&#039;s amazing how much family time you can pack in to your life even with a demanding job if you live close to work, don&#039;t allow televisions to be turned on in your home on weekdays and don&#039;t head out to play golf on weekends. The trade offs are not limited to work time versus family time.). Right now, we are living in an old house somewhere in southern Europe, where my kids are getting a chance to appreciate first hand the European viewpoint that life is meant to be enjoyed.

In my case I&#039;m happier, and my wife is certainly happier, because we have a certain minimal level of financial security. We&#039;re not rich, and ok with the idea that we will never be rich, but having been poor and in debt we take great psychic satisfaction from knowing that if we are prudent and careful we will probably never be really poor again. In our case, no matter what the studies say for other people, happiness is related to not worrying about money (which is very different from happiness being related to how much money you have), which we achieve by keeping our style of living pretty low and having just enough savings to feel protected.

What I tell my kids is that money is like water - when you don&#039;t have enough to meet minimum needs, it can seem like the most important thing in the world, when you have enough more is not going to improve your life, and when you have too much it can actually be a bad thing. Me, I think if you don&#039;t have enough of a nest egg to allow you to relax a little, it makes sense to spend a couple of years getting to where you can feel secure, but if a different strategy works for you, fine. I will admit that it is, as noted in a comment above, hard to know when you have hit &quot;enough.&quot; 

The Rehnquist quote above is, I think, a great one. When I &quot;knew&quot; Rehnquist (me as a pipsqueak passing him in the halls, him as a Supreme Court justice), he walked the walk in putting family ahead of work even though he had a pretty impressive day job. He was not the first guy in the door, he took time off mid day most days to play tennis with his clerks, and he was out the door in late afternoon before almost anyone in the building. With all that, he got his work done faster than any other justice, on average, and had an impact on the course of American law unmatched by anyone else in the last third of the 20th century (you may not like the impact he had, but the point is that he did world-changing work in a short work day). While he had lifetime security in his job and couldn&#039;t have been fired even if he had spent all day every day at Kelly&#039;s Bar, I&#039;m betting he would have been the same way if he were living off billable hours. It helped that was way smarter than the smart people around him, and it helped that his views on the law didn&#039;t require him to spend time agonizing over issues that he found clear, but mainly he just wasn&#039;t neurotic about pretending to work harder than he needed to in order to get the actual work done. It is amazing how much time people can spend pretending to work, and Rehnquist just didn&#039;t do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In suggesting building a modest financial nest egg early in life may not be crazy, I didn&#039;t mean to become the spokesperson for neurotic workaholics. I left my (secure and overpaid) office job over ten years ago, and have spent the years since with family first (and, I think, was a pretty active dad before even while working hard &#8211; it&#039;s amazing how much family time you can pack in to your life even with a demanding job if you live close to work, don&#039;t allow televisions to be turned on in your home on weekdays and don&#039;t head out to play golf on weekends. The trade offs are not limited to work time versus family time.). Right now, we are living in an old house somewhere in southern Europe, where my kids are getting a chance to appreciate first hand the European viewpoint that life is meant to be enjoyed.</p>
<p>In my case I&#039;m happier, and my wife is certainly happier, because we have a certain minimal level of financial security. We&#039;re not rich, and ok with the idea that we will never be rich, but having been poor and in debt we take great psychic satisfaction from knowing that if we are prudent and careful we will probably never be really poor again. In our case, no matter what the studies say for other people, happiness is related to not worrying about money (which is very different from happiness being related to how much money you have), which we achieve by keeping our style of living pretty low and having just enough savings to feel protected.</p>
<p>What I tell my kids is that money is like water &#8211; when you don&#039;t have enough to meet minimum needs, it can seem like the most important thing in the world, when you have enough more is not going to improve your life, and when you have too much it can actually be a bad thing. Me, I think if you don&#039;t have enough of a nest egg to allow you to relax a little, it makes sense to spend a couple of years getting to where you can feel secure, but if a different strategy works for you, fine. I will admit that it is, as noted in a comment above, hard to know when you have hit &#034;enough.&#034; </p>
<p>The Rehnquist quote above is, I think, a great one. When I &#034;knew&#034; Rehnquist (me as a pipsqueak passing him in the halls, him as a Supreme Court justice), he walked the walk in putting family ahead of work even though he had a pretty impressive day job. He was not the first guy in the door, he took time off mid day most days to play tennis with his clerks, and he was out the door in late afternoon before almost anyone in the building. With all that, he got his work done faster than any other justice, on average, and had an impact on the course of American law unmatched by anyone else in the last third of the 20th century (you may not like the impact he had, but the point is that he did world-changing work in a short work day). While he had lifetime security in his job and couldn&#039;t have been fired even if he had spent all day every day at Kelly&#039;s Bar, I&#039;m betting he would have been the same way if he were living off billable hours. It helped that was way smarter than the smart people around him, and it helped that his views on the law didn&#039;t require him to spend time agonizing over issues that he found clear, but mainly he just wasn&#039;t neurotic about pretending to work harder than he needed to in order to get the actual work done. It is amazing how much time people can spend pretending to work, and Rehnquist just didn&#039;t do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Joanne Giardini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanne Giardini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post Penelope.  Something I hope we can all hand down in lesson form to our children... I have three kids, just took my work from 5 days to 4 days and they are just thrilled.  Like Tom, I&#039;m heading on a cruise tonight for 3 nights with them. I want them to collect experiences, too.  We&#039;ve tapered off &quot;stuff&quot; - something I hope they carry with them through their lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post Penelope.  Something I hope we can all hand down in lesson form to our children&#8230; I have three kids, just took my work from 5 days to 4 days and they are just thrilled.  Like Tom, I&#039;m heading on a cruise tonight for 3 nights with them. I want them to collect experiences, too.  We&#039;ve tapered off &#034;stuff&#034; &#8211; something I hope they carry with them through their lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Prashant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prashant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Out here in India, my company offers a (paid) bus service for the commute to office. Usually it takes 45 - 60 mins each way. I like to use this facility instead of driving - in the morning, I read the newspaper in the bus. On the way home in the evening, I sleep. This ensures that I am fresh and energetic when I reach home, and I am able to spend my time better with my family.

I&#039;ve been to the US once, so I know the bus thing does not work there - but could it be applied to car pools? Or would it be considered too rude to sleep in someone else&#039;s car?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out here in India, my company offers a (paid) bus service for the commute to office. Usually it takes 45 &#8211; 60 mins each way. I like to use this facility instead of driving &#8211; in the morning, I read the newspaper in the bus. On the way home in the evening, I sleep. This ensures that I am fresh and energetic when I reach home, and I am able to spend my time better with my family.</p>
<p>I&#039;ve been to the US once, so I know the bus thing does not work there &#8211; but could it be applied to car pools? Or would it be considered too rude to sleep in someone else&#039;s car?</p>
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		<title>By: bloggadocio</title>
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		<dc:creator>bloggadocio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1st time reader and commenter here - this particular post is v. relevant to a negotiation I just went through for a new job. I&#039;d be curious to hear whether there&#039;s a difference in how males v. females approach a time v. money balance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1st time reader and commenter here &#8211; this particular post is v. relevant to a negotiation I just went through for a new job. I&#039;d be curious to hear whether there&#039;s a difference in how males v. females approach a time v. money balance?</p>
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